The mystery of the "Nord Stream - 2"

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If you look closely at what is happening around the construction of the Nord Stream 2, there are too many questions for this to be a mere coincidence. Why did SP-2 become a stumbling block in the European Union and between Germany and the USA? At the same time, it seems that all the participants in these vicissitudes hold back something very important.


Monument to the Russian-German friendship. Pipes of both "Streams" in a section. Germany. Michielverbeek, commons.wikimedia.org




In principle, the meaning of this project is to get away from the politically dangerous Ukrainian gas transit, given the announcement by the Bandera regime of Russia an “aggressor country” in order to put the same volumes of Russian gas along a safe Baltic route. The dependence of Germany and Europe on Russian gas remains at the same level, simply the Ukrainian transit is being replaced by the Baltic.

It is clear why Ukraine is against SP-2: it loses gas transit revenues and the transit position of the transit country, the limit-countries of Eastern Europe simply show anti-Russian solidarity, the United States, until recently, was “against” to economically support its newly-acquired Ukrainian colony.

President Donald Trump opposes the new Baltic gas transit for more fundamental reasons: he is outraged in principle by the gas relations between Russia and Europe and Germany: "Russia fully controls Germany through gas supplies, up to 70% of the market." Build SP-2 and at the same time talk about the need to defend against "aggressive Russia"! Trump and his closest advisers seem to suspect Chancellor Merkel in collusion with President Putin behind America’s back. After Merkel after a visit to Washington to Trump, like a traveling salesman, flies to Sochi to Putin.

Yes, Germany has grabbed a deadly grip on the SP-2, and even the obvious threats of US sanctions cannot do anything about it. This is a commercial project, and a point. Although it is clear that the political too. At the same time, Germany makes a nod to the United States and, as it were, a Euro-associated Ukraine: it insists on the preservation of the Ukrainian transit.

Gazprom, in words, is not against the continuation of the Ukrainian transit, but on commercial terms, if Naftogaz of Ukraine proves the economic viability of the transit, will present the corresponding arguments. It seems that this is an excuse, because Naftogaz cannot provide any arguments for the continuation of the transit. This is just a nod to Germany, to formally agree with its demand to preserve Ukrainian gas transit.

Naftogaz cannot agree on anything with the Russian Gazprom, because the relations between them are completely spoiled, plus another well-known obstacle was the unbalanced decision of the Stockholm arbitration. Gazprom will demand to balance all relations unbalanced by an asymmetric decision of the Stockholm arbitration, without any conditions. Since this is an unacceptable precedent: a new transit agreement may also be revised by arbitration under some absurd pretext. This is a politically impossible condition for Ukraine. By the way, in Helsinki, Vladimir Putin said about the condition for the continuation of the Ukrainian transit: “in the event of a settlement of a dispute between business entities in the Stockholm Arbitration Court.”

These are all verbal battles, and what do we actually have today? Gazprom terminates all contracts with Naftogaz in a judicial proceeding, in the same Stockholm at the suit of Gazprom a tribunal has already been established to terminate gas contracts. By the end of 2019, these contracts will be terminated or simply completed, and will new ones be concluded? They will not, and all interested persons guess about it.

It may very well be that Putin said Merkel long ago, unofficially: if you want - build a joint venture 2, if you do not want it, do not build it, but there will not be Ukrainian gas transit after the end of the contracts in 2019. Then it is clear why Germany insists on building JV-2 with such persistence. However, it is not clear why Russia is keeping the Olympic calm, and President Putin just notices that the new Baltic transit is also a matter of business entities. Build - well, not built - is it okay too?

Russia, after all, will need to somehow compensate for the falling revenues if the construction of the SP-2 is disrupted and the Ukrainian gas transit stops. Can she do it? What can Russia count on here? In the 2020, the Turkish Stream and the Power of Siberia gas pipeline should earn, but they only partially compensate for the income from the loss of the Ukrainian transit. It seems that Russia is calm about the twists and turns around SP-2, because it has a “plan B” in case of a breakdown of this project, and it has not yet thrown its main gas trump card into the game. What could it be a trump card?

The Yamal LNG complex has recently been commissioned; it is already supplying liquefied gas to Europe, India, and China. Vladimir Putin personally supervised, forced his construction, went even to a certain risk, sending at his critical moment funds for his financing from the Welfare Fund, from the inviolable treasury of the sovereign. Due to the great importance of this LNG project for Russia.

Putin found time to come for the ceremonial launch of the Yamal LNG complex, and then there was a message in the press that the Russian industry had mastered technologies for the production of LNG and could now build an LNG complex "entirely on Russian technologies." This is what I?

What prevents Russia from building a LNG complex at the exit of the gas pipeline to the Baltic to the same year’s 2 in the event of a breakdown of the SP-2020 construction? The pipeline’s exit to the Baltic Sea is already under construction or is being built; LNG technologies have been mastered in Yamal. It is possible, instead of SP-2, to build an LNG complex and supply Russian LNG to the same Germany, but at a higher price. And for Europe it will be cheaper than American LNG due to lower transportation costs.

At the same time, Germany loses cheap Russian pipeline gas and changes to expensive liquefied gas. Is that why Germany so grabbed the SP-2? And Russia calmly looks at the conflicts of business entities, apparently preparing a “plan B”: the construction of an LNG complex in the Baltic.
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  1. +9
    18 July 2018 05: 59
    An interesting thought ... the author is apparently right ...
    1. 0
      18 July 2018 10: 33
      Quote: Vard
      An interesting thought ... the author is apparently right ...

      Yeah, but just yesterday (July 17.07) negotiations were held between Gazprom, Naftogaz and the European Commission on further transit through Ukraine.
      1. -2
        18 July 2018 11: 03
        But how did Putin boost the construction of Yamal LNG?
    2. +5
      18 July 2018 12: 39
      Quote: Vard
      An interesting thought ... the author is apparently right ...

      The author has no idea how the gas pipelines are arranged. Their main component at a price is not buried pipes, but gas compressor stations (GKS), for which it is still necessary to build high-voltage electrical substations and bring the corresponding lines to them, if there is where, and if not, then to build more TPPs or additional units for nuclear power plants if available nearby. The most powerful GCS are being built immediately before the start of the offshore section of the route so that their capacity is sufficient for pumping along the entire length of the offshore section. For example, the most powerful in Russia CS Russkaya, near Novorossiysk, was built for the South Stream. Now most of it was mothballed in view of excess capacity, and this is billions of dollars, because for a Turkish stream of 2 threads half the power is enough.
      1. +1
        18 July 2018 23: 52
        Quote: Gargantua
        The author has no idea how the gas pipelines are arranged. Their main component at a price is not buried pipes, but gas compressor stations (GKS), for which it is still necessary to build high-voltage electrical substations and bring the corresponding lines to them, if there is where, and if not, then to build more TPPs or additional units for nuclear power plants if available nearby.

        Yes, in fact, it’s not the power lines that are pulled to the pipe, but the pipe is laid with reference to the power lines. At least in the Komi Republic it is.
        Quote: Gargantua
        For example, the most powerful in Russia CS Russkaya, near Novorossiysk, was built for the South Stream. Now most of it was mothballed in view of excess capacity, and this is billions of dollars, because for a Turkish stream of 2 threads half the power is enough.

        So these are not losses, but reserved capacities.
        1. 0
          19 July 2018 19: 33
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Yes, actually not the power lines are pulled to the pipe, but the pipe is laid with reference to the power lines

          Pull in binding that which is cheaper. And I subjectively think that power lines are cheaper. Who has more complete information - correct. hi
          1. 0
            19 July 2018 20: 33
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Yes, actually not the power lines are pulled to the pipe, but the pipe is laid with reference to the power lines

            Pull in binding that which is cheaper. And I subjectively think that power lines are cheaper. Who has more complete information - correct. hi

            I affirm this with the example of Komi. In the 80s, let’s say, in one section, a pair of Druzhba oil fields and four Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas lines were laid, over the past 12 years the target was expanded and several more new lines were laid with the construction of new GCS and another thread has now begun. Now about this target can be said about the Dnieper - "A rare bird will reach the middle of the alignment." All this construction is tied to power lines from the Pechora Thermal Power Plant, along which it is parallel to the old line. From power lines to the alignment, the distance is 800-1000 meters and they go in parallel. It is clear that somewhere there will be a withdrawal from the main highway as the transit and delivery route to the consumer is changing, but this will be a diversion of a couple of hundred kilometers, but not thousands because the main highway already has its own road transport infrastructure through which pipes and equipment are imported. This is definitely cheaper than cutting a new route through the taiga, paving the road, bridge crossings, pulling the high voltage and having a bunch of related hemorrhoids. hi
            1. 0
              19 July 2018 20: 42
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              than chopping a new route through the taiga,

              Well yes, in this case it’s cheaper.
          2. 0
            21 July 2018 19: 05
            Mnem, gas compressor plants have long been driven by a gas turbine engine, which is powered by the same gas. What power lines ...
    3. +4
      18 July 2018 15: 32
      SP-2 is being built to its full potential, the capacities that were involved in the construction of the “Power of Siberia” have been massively transferred to Tikhvin for half a year already .. Construction is underway on Sakhalin, and in other places in the Far East these are the South Caucasus and China, and possibly Japan .. He quit Stroytransgaztruboprovodstroy himself a year ago, but the friends who worked there remained .. So everything is going according to plan, maybe askew, but the work is on, and all the nonsense about the fact that there’s not everything settled yet .. Dogs bark, and the caravan coming ...
      1. +1
        18 July 2018 15: 39
        Yes, the caravan is going on .. To remind about the South Stream?
        Quote: max702
        SP-2 is being built to its full potential, the capacities that were involved in the construction of the “Power of Siberia” have been massively transferred to Tikhvin for half a year already .. Construction is underway on Sakhalin, and in other places in the Far East these are the South Caucasus and China, and possibly Japan .. He quit Stroytransgaztruboprovodstroy himself a year ago, but the friends who worked there remained .. So everything is going according to plan, maybe askew, but the work is on, and all the nonsense about the fact that there’s not everything settled yet .. Dogs bark, and the caravan coming ...
  2. +3
    18 July 2018 06: 05
    The author did not remember about the shareholders of Yamal-LNG, and who together with Putin was at the opening of this facility.
    1. +2
      19 July 2018 00: 01
      Quote: dog breeder
      The author did not remember about the shareholders of Yamal-LNG, and who together with Putin was at the opening of this facility.

      What actually interest is in who the shareholders are and who was at the opening? This office deducts taxes to the Russian budget and jobs are located on Russian territory. Here is a hard worker, who cares who pays his salary for work in Yamal? He learns that this is an "indecent" owner, quit work with a salary of 100 thousand, and leave to work as a milkmaid for 10 mowers, because it is morally difficult for him to work for the wrong employer?
      1. 0
        19 July 2018 06: 10
        Nyrobsky (Dmitry).
        What actually interest is in who the shareholders are and who was at the opening?

        In perspectives. If shareholders from abroad are invested in the project, and among the guests there are not the last people in the hierarchy of their state, then ...
  3. +3
    18 July 2018 06: 27
    cheap gas is needed for the competitiveness of the European economy - the loot will go to Asia and there it will be necessary to pull the gas (pipe), it is not profitable for everyone. Build SP2
    without SP2, it is easier for Europe to find gas at a depth of 15 km than to become dependent on LNG amers and the Russian Federation
  4. +10
    18 July 2018 06: 51
    Vladimir Putin personally oversaw, accelerated its construction, took even a certain risk, sending funds from the Welfare Fund, from the untouchable treasury of the sovereign at the critical moment with his decision to finance it. In view of the great importance of this LNG project for Russia.

    That's it .... "Personally" ... Here he can "personally" interfere ", but cannot" intervene "in the government’s plans to raise the retirement age, such as not his" prerogative ", yeah. this type does not affect the "interests of the state", to which only he and his close associates obviously belong, and the remaining citizens of the country, of course, do not belong ....
    1. +15
      18 July 2018 07: 16
      Probably it is not worth responding to each article with dissatisfaction with the pension reform. The author writes about SP-2 and its attitude to it in the west. You are with claims to the president. If jammed, then work back and start over. And judging by your flag, you should not be worried about reform in Russia at all.
    2. +6
      18 July 2018 17: 15
      Damn ... Well, enough already ... Bullied already with this pension simply. You cram into any topic .. Let people talk on the topic.
      1. 0
        19 July 2018 19: 38
        Quote: cariperpaint
        Already pulled up with this pension just

        To be honest, the issue of pension concerns me more than the different "flows" (concerns me personally). Moreover, the connection of gas to my mother was postponed indefinitely. And they promised by 2015. Are European consumers more valuable?
        And the fact that Putin intervenes in economic processes in one. and in the other he ignores (although he promised) - somehow strange. request
  5. +1
    18 July 2018 07: 48
    Germany with the first joint venture took a sip of freedom from not quite sane transit countries ... it depends on their smackers, as it does not suit. Liquefied ... the same is not bad, but a bummer can happen at the crucial moment ... weather conditions ... when the gas carrier on the second attempt was able to deliver gas to America ... and the Baltic freezes. It seemed winter ... gas here it is ... reach out your hand, but a complete bummer. And the pipe ... it’s necessary, the valve was opened ... no, the valve was closed.
    1. 0
      18 July 2018 14: 22
      On Yamal, the same is not palm trees laughing
  6. +7
    18 July 2018 09: 30
    The dependence of Germany and Europe on Russian gas remains at the same level, just Ukrainian transit is replaced by Baltic.
    In matters, Gazprom and the Germans are not aware that they are using Ukrainian transit. In any case, the Gazprom website says about Yamal and the joint venture, so please make sure fellow http://www.gazprom.ru/about/production/projects/d
    eposits / germany /
    It may well be that Putin said Merkel long ago, unofficially: if you want - build a SP-2, if you don’t want to - do not build, but there will be no Ukrainian gas transit after the end of the agreements in 2019.
    Yeah, and Miller officially announced that he would, and Merkel said that no SP-2 without transit through Ukraine, also officially laughing
    The Yamal LNG complex has recently been commissioned; it is already supplying liquefied gas to Europe, India, and China. Vladimir Putin personally supervised, forced his construction, went even to a certain risk, sending at his critical moment funds for his financing from the Welfare Fund, from the inviolable treasury of the sovereign. Due to the great importance of this LNG project for Russia.
    Yamal LNG (50,1% from Novatek, 20% from the French Total and Chinese CNPC, 9,9% from the Silk Road Fund) is the first Novatek gas liquefaction plant. - where is Russia interesting here? She is represented by the oligarch Mikhelson, the owner of Novatek, and of course, Putin’s friend. And so it is normal, the main expenses are from the budget, and tax incentives to shareholders - you can only be glad for Michelson and foreign capital. Descendants will appreciate
    putting the plant into operation is a merit not only of shareholders, but also of Russian taxpayers, who generously subsidized them. The South Tambeyskoye field, which serves as the resource base for Yamal LNG, will be exempted from MET for gas in the first 12 years of production, provided that its total volume for this period does not exceed 250 billion cubic meters. m. Under the same conditions, exemption from property tax and income tax benefits, which will be not 18%, but 13,5%. Until the end of the construction of the plant, shareholders are exempted from VAT when purchasing equipment that has no analogues in Russia, and upon its completion they will be able to use the zero LNG export duty.
    The project received direct subsidies: in 2015, the government approved the purchase of Yamal LNG bonds for 150 billion rubles. from the National Welfare Fund. At the expense of the state, three-quarters (71 billion of 96 billion rubles) were funded for the construction of the cargo port of Sabetta.
    1. +3
      18 July 2018 10: 21
      Dear foe! Do not touch Miller, he knows his business, and Naftogaz pipe, because he will not be able to provide a commercially viable transit. And Novatek, through the same shares, holds the state for its “golden shares”, truncated by control, chief!
      1. +3
        18 July 2018 10: 46
        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        And Novatek the state through the same shares holds for its "golden shares", a whisker of control, chef!
        What state, Mr. Kamenev ?! Stocks in safe hands, Forbes is reporting fellow
        The largest shareholders of Novatek are the founder of the company and No. 1 in the list of the richest businessmen of Russia Forbes 2016 and 2017 Leonid Mikhelson (24,8%), Gennady Timchenko (23,5%), the French corporation Total (16,3%) and " Gazprom ”(10%). http://www.forbes.ru/profile/244806-novatek

        Why lie so shamelessly, yet in the public domain feel
        1. +3
          18 July 2018 12: 34
          Why lie so shamelessly

          No, why immediately "lie." They simply do not know, but continue to believe. There are a huge number of "patriots" who sincerely believe in the "national economy", in the "national heritage", "in the main package belonging to the state", in the "cartoons", in the "good, ignorant king", in the KhPP, etc.
          1. +1
            18 July 2018 13: 52
            Believe you need the CIA, and it says exactly that all of our oligarchs are in Putin’s pocket, which holds them for “golden shares”, but what these shares are - only the 12 apostles from the GRU know. They are silent, so old Muller is worried about them ...
            1. -1
              18 July 2018 16: 36
              You’d better listen to your “storyteller” once again .... He gives out such pearls - “listen”: https://news.mail.ru/society/34141818/?frommail=1 And at the same time, other “wise guys” are drinking water they want us to sell at a fixed price "like in Turkey" -15 rubles for 0,5 liters .... verily, everything about the "people are baked", everyone thinks how he can make his life "better and better" .... I already with longing, I begin to recall the notorious “90s” when the state “hit” me, but it didn’t go into my pocket (excluding inflation) and there was no present fucking “stability”. wink
              1. +1
                19 July 2018 12: 58
                Well, I have normal water flowing from a tap, but you don’t want to - pick up water in the village, there is awesome water out of the well, pick up free, well, if you are, then buy 15 rubles at a store, but I don’t want to remember about 90s, I ate just what they themselves grew in the garden, well, plus geese, ducks, rabbits, and there was no work, you tell tales about blessed times when everyone dies, who lived then, or it’s hypocritical to go out, I then went with a screwdriver in my pocket every evening, I don’t argue, it was interesting to live, but I’d better tolerate the fucking stability, it’s somehow calmer.
        2. +1
          18 July 2018 20: 52
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          What state, Mr. Kamenev ?!

          The state in these cases has its share in the form of various taxes, excises and other obligatory payments. The state always benefits from a thriving enterprise in its jurisdiction.
          1. 0
            18 July 2018 21: 50
            The state in these cases has its share in the form of various taxes, excises and other obligatory payments. The state always benefits from a thriving enterprise in its jurisdiction.
            Of course, it is beneficial if the investor himself invests, and then everything at the expense of the state, in fact, also reduced the tax to 13.5% by 12 years, but for the main population, why is it raised to 20%, why are ordinary people worse than Michelson and his foreign colleagues? !
            1. +1
              18 July 2018 22: 19
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              Of course, it is beneficial if the investor invests himself, and then everything is at the expense of the state, in fact, they also reduced the tax to 13.5% by 12 years,

              Explain economic theory to a person with a short look and a name under the Swede I see no reason. Ask Putin a question, so he will answer you both about the people and about Michelson.
              1. 0
                18 July 2018 23: 44
                Yes, the president will answer at "body meetings" with the people, only your questions will not be there. The president will not even be responsible for the failed policy of Medvedev’s cabinet, he will call it successful ...
                1. 0
                  19 July 2018 16: 17
                  Quote: Vladimir 5
                  The president will not even be responsible for the failed policy of Medvedev’s cabinet, he will call it successful ...

                  Probably, you considered this policy a failure? And what do you have to evaluate where and how much failed, and where did the role of Medvedev’s cabinet in this process grow? Again blah blah blah, because the salary is small and the pension has receded? Or a neighbor sang?
              2. 0
                19 July 2018 09: 37
                Quote: ARES623
                Explain economic theory to a person with a short look and a name under the Swede I see no reason.
                Said a man with a name under Greek wassat
              3. 0
                19 July 2018 19: 43
                Quote: ARES623
                Explain economic theory to a person with a short look and a name under the Swede I see no reason

                Explain to me - I taught the theory of economics well, the teacher was good, Puchkova, SSEA. wink
                1. 0
                  19 July 2018 20: 49
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Explain to me - I taught the theory of economics well, the teacher was good, Puchkova, SSEA.

                  You also do not see the benefits of the work of large enterprises in the country?
                  1. 0
                    19 July 2018 20: 52
                    I see and understand what exactly they do the country's economy. But why then are large enterprises ONLY mining, not manufacturing, and the entire Russian market is almost entirely owned by Chinese manufacturers?
                    1. 0
                      19 July 2018 21: 04
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      the entire Russian market is almost entirely owned by Chinese manufacturers

                      A significant market share of the so-called Consumer goods are indeed in the hands of China. Everything is simple here, Putin + Medvedev adhere to a liberal view of the economy and in the production of civilian goods the priority from state participation is shifted towards the so-called "market mechanisms." In those places where the unit cost of production from China is less, he commands, not shying away from open dumping. We react, as usual, after the thunder. If you are an economist, then why such “dexterous” questions? By God, I am ashamed of Samara.
                      1. 0
                        19 July 2018 21: 10
                        Quote: ARES623
                        A significant market share of the so-called Consumer goods are indeed in the hands of China.

                        Almost all. From hardware to the machine. Clothes and other consumer goods even more so.
                        Quote: ARES623
                        in the production of civilian goods priority

                        In the military-industrial complex, half of the electronics are on Chinese chips.
                        Quote: ARES623
                        By God, I am ashamed of Samara.

                        Tolyatti. And don’t be ashamed of us, we can read between the lines. The country must be raised by the wrong methods. But if the goal is ruined, and the goal is long-term, then the actions of "our" government are quite justified and explainable.
                    2. 0
                      19 July 2018 21: 06
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Extractive ONLY

                      About mining. They are strategic industries, and thank God that they were tidied up to the state.
                      1. 0
                        19 July 2018 21: 11
                        Quote: ARES623
                        They are strategic industries, and thank God that they were tidied up to the state.

                        Oh?
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  7. -1
    18 July 2018 14: 20
    Naftogaz rolled out another lawsuit to us for $ 12,6 billion. And ours are silent. No, to roll out a counterclaim for all the gas stolen and sold by Ukraine in 23 years .. Apparently, many people have a fleece ...
    1. +1
      18 July 2018 17: 20
      There, the claims of Gazprom and its subsidiaries are littered with all courts. Just political decisions completely break the point from these courts. Moreover, in my opinion, it’s not TMG who will win, but TMG that it makes no sense to sign new contracts. Once again, they will find a reason and under the work contract will begin to make decisions.
  8. +1
    18 July 2018 14: 55
    At the same time, Germany is losing cheap Russian pipeline gas and is changing to expensive liquefied gas. Is that why Germany is so clinging to the SP-2?


    That's for sure the "secret." There are not many fools willing to buy in the EU, and even in large numbers, more expensive LNG. This was already known to the devil when none of this particularly "mystery" did.
  9. 0
    18 July 2018 15: 16
    For Russia, building an LNG complex in the Baltic is a bad idea, because at the same time, American LNG is becoming competitive in the European market. The difference in price is insignificant and can be overcome due to political pressure, mattresses often use this technique.
  10. +1
    18 July 2018 16: 37
    Ukrainians have already found a way out, they want to sell their rusty turbo ...
  11. +1
    18 July 2018 17: 30
    Well, I'm just seeing through the dullness of people publishing news request (These are all verbal battles, but what do we actually have today? Gazprom terminates all contracts with Naftogaz in a judicial proceeding; in the same Stockholm, a tribunal has already been created for the termination of gas contracts in a lawsuit by Gazprom.) ONE Tribunal! and no other! I'm damn for next! (After all, Russia will need to somehow compensate for the shortfall in revenue if the construction of the SP-2 is disrupted and the Ukrainian gas transit stops. Can it do this? What can Russia rely on here? In 2020, the Turkish Stream and the gas pipeline “ The Power of Siberia ”, but they only partially compensate for the income from the loss of Ukrainian transit. It seems that Russia is calm about the ups and downs around SP-2, because it has a“ Plan B ”in case of failure of this project, and it’s not its main gas trump card yet threw into the game. What a trump card can it be?) This is simply not there! Even in the long run 2-3 years! Who the hell is the author?
  12. +3
    18 July 2018 17: 39
    The author has a strange logic - plan B - LNG from Yamal.
    A cool business plan is to pay a dozen lards to SP-2, only to drive LNG to Europe as a result.
    Reminds a famous joke about a business in Russian
    Find a box of vodka, sell half the price, And drink the money
    1. +1
      18 July 2018 18: 36
      May 7, 2018. Yamal LNG shipped the second million tons of LNG. The bulk of Russian LNG is exported to Japan. The demand is growing steadily. In the first quarter of 2018, it received revenue of 20,9 billion rubles.
    2. 0
      19 July 2018 00: 17
      Yamal LNG will be more expensive than pipeline. At the same time - cheaper than US LNG or Qatar. Well, Europe will not want SP-2 - let it buy LNG whatever it wants and can. By the way, according to the laws of the market, prices for Russian LNG will need to be raised - there is absolutely no need for large dumping. If Europe is satisfied with such a development of events - a drum on the neck and a feather in the ass.
      As for financial losses - yes, they will. Moreover, both in Europe and in Russia. Well, what can you do. On the part of Russia - "who does not risk, he does not drink champagne." From Europe - nonsense quickly leaves my head when the amount of money in my pockets decreases sharply. And if you refuse the SP-2, it will happen quickly. An increase in the cost of energy resources - an increase in the cost of production - a decrease in competitiveness - a drop in commodity circulation and solvency in general. Any politically engaged political projects like the Eastern Partnership and others will die standing.
      And then, when Europe gets cold and poor, it will still want pipeline gas. And I personally intend to enjoy the fate of those who will continue to say something against - they are bent quickly and efficiently. And to reach everyone faster - spectacularly. Europeans are basically very practical people.
      The meaning of the simultaneous implementation of Yamal-LNG and SP-2 is in the freedom of choice of gas buyers. Europe will not want to - LNG can be sold far not only in Europe, but also in the Asia-Pacific region, and many more. If only there was a receiving LNG terminal. In the extreme case, this is not a problem - there are floating options for LNG terminals. And the option so that Germany wants to use the experience of Ukraine and twist her hands immediately disappears by definition. When you can be sent on foot to the erotic at any time and you clearly understand this - the desire to hang out somehow somehow disappears. The principle works both at the personal level and at the state level.
      And in the end - SP-2 will be built anyway, the question is the timing and losses of Europe.
      Therefore - why worry? We are building SP-2 and Yamal-LNG, and there is already Europe’s choice which way to go.
    3. 0
      19 July 2018 20: 05
      Quote: atalef
      The author has a strange logic - plan B - LNG from Yamal.
      A cool business plan is to pay a dozen lards to SP-2, only to drive LNG to Europe as a result.
      Reminds a famous joke about a business in Russian
      Find a box of vodka, sell half the price, And drink the money


      Tell us how the business is done in Jewish. Or in Khokhlyatsky, if you know that too.
  13. +1
    18 July 2018 20: 06
    Normal, real analysts, analyzing a certain amount of facts, predict the further development of events, possible options.
    The author of the event already has - the collapse of Ukraine. Under this his dream, he drives everything he reaches. Even if Martians arrived, the author would associate this with the imminent end of Ukraine.
    1. +1
      19 July 2018 09: 39
      Quote: Curious
      Even if Martians arrived, the author would associate this with the imminent end of Ukraine.
      and with the genius of Putin laughing
    2. 0
      22 July 2018 18: 42
      Quote: Curious
      Normal, real analysts, analyzing a certain amount of facts, predict the further development of events, possible options.
      The author of the event already has - the collapse of Ukraine. Under this his dream, he drives everything he reaches. Even if Martians arrived, the author would associate this with the imminent end of Ukraine.


      So give your "analysis" of how much Ukraine, with its current order, is ripening when the West floods it with free credits, how the West will purchase anything produced in Ukraine and accept it in the EU and so on. etc. Is it a dream or not a dream, but what is happening in Ukraine is difficult to evaluate otherwise than the slow collapse of everything that has not yet been broken.
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      23 July 2018 16: 19
      Quote: Curious
      The author of the event already has - the collapse of Ukraine. Under this his dream, he drives everything he reaches.


      So what. The collapse of Ukraine is now something impossible and Ukraine every year does not come close to collapse? Maybe the economy of Ukraine is developing rapidly, the industry of Ukraine receives large orders allowing them to load their enterprises for many years to come? Or can Ukraine pay debts on loans calmly and on time?
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        24 July 2018 14: 27
        You are so tearing a vest on your chest that I am scared for you. Tell me at least one country that would disappear from the map in the last 50 years for economic reasons and be swallowed up by neighbors. The USSR and Yugoslavia do not sculpt, it does not fit. And who will pick up the collapsed Ukraine.
        Europe? Hooray, we are only happy.
        Russia? Yes, she as a devil from incense denies this perspective.
        So you take off your German saucepan, try to develop like that, grow above yourself.
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          24 July 2018 15: 34
          Quote: Curious
          You are so tearing a vest on your chest that I am scared for you. Tell me at least one country that would disappear from the map in the last 50 years for economic reasons and be swallowed up by neighbors. The USSR and Yugoslavia do not sculpt, it does not fit. And who will pick up the collapsed Ukraine.
          Europe? Hooray, we are only happy.
          Russia? Yes, she as a devil from incense denies this perspective.
          So you take off your German saucepan, try to develop like that, grow above yourself.


          I can’t tear the vest, if only because I did not wear them. Europe, Ukraine, no matter how glad you are, to put it mildly and to hell, is not needed. Europeans have long understood what Ukraine really is and especially those who have been so successful in recent years in it. And at the expense of pots, do not translate the arrows into others. This population Ukraine prosrali everything that could be prosrai living on the principle of "my hut from the edge." And apparently you are also from the same cohort of freeloaders who are happy to lean against someone. But who would it be? Fools are dumb. Download higher or develop democracy. And try to really work for yourself.
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  14. 0
    19 July 2018 21: 24
    Ingvar 72,
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    But if the goal is ruined, and the goal is long-term, then the actions of "our" government are quite justified and explainable.

    And in order to reliably ditch, they began to seek food security? On the account of "how to ditch" look to the neighbors. Notice some difference. I'm honestly not a fan of government conspiracy theories. It’s just that we, ordinary people, always want to be patted on the head and improvements come immediately after promises. And they beat us, periodically, and build (reform) for a long time. That is the source of discontent. And we also think that we know how the world works. What naive ?!
  15. +2
    20 July 2018 08: 32
    It seems that Russia is calm about the ups and downs around the SP-2, because it has a “Plan B” in case of disruption of this project, and it has not yet thrown its main gas trump card into the game.

    Well, there is such a trump card, only for the author it is not obvious, because it is unpleasant. And this trump card is transit through Ukraine. Remember how the Strugatskys do? “Spiders have agreed” ... You will see, they will agree, because “... being determines consciousness ...” The basis has not changed in any of the countries, the superstructures are the same, so the GTS will work like a pretty one. Conditions are pushing back and forth and continue pumping, just in Ukraine it will be overpowering Muscovites, and we have a victory over Ukrainians.
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    21 July 2018 08: 49
    Everything is logically laid out on the shelves. I especially liked it - if you want to build, do not want to build. This is how one should relate to all economic projects with the West. After all, in essence, what we have. The people are quite competent, natural resources are available, we can provide ourselves with food if we want, technologies are available with rare exceptions. We don’t know the prices.
  17. 0
    21 July 2018 15: 01
    LNG technology, although consistent with the technology for transporting “oranges in barrels,” is completely independent of the transit countries. Air-conditioning gas can be transported only to those consumers who have currency and who are not idiots, creatures who are constantly dissatisfied with something, actively using their own right to complain to everyone who is not lazy!
  18. 0
    23 July 2018 21: 10
    .... and then the press reported that Russian industry had mastered the technology for LNG production and could now build an LNG complex "Entirely on Russian technology."..


    The quotation marks are a reminder to the unfortunate patriots that in the field of LNG, entirely Russian technologies do not exist.
  19. 0
    23 July 2018 21: 27
    Quote: atalef
    The author has a strange logic - plan B - LNG from Yamal.
    A cool business plan is to pay a dozen lards to SP-2, only to drive LNG to Europe as a result.
    Reminds a famous joke about a business in Russian
    Find a box of vodka, sell half the price, And drink the money

    Your trouble is the lack of knowledge about the volumes and ways of transporting gas from Russia to Europe. The current gas consumption in the EU will absorb not only the capacities of SP-1 and SP-2, but also the production volumes of future Yamal LNG lines, and it will also be happy to accept the hypothetical SP-10 and SP-20 in 3-4 years. If there will be no war.