The enemy is the more dangerous the wider he smiles

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Probably, a real “analytical” tsunami from hundreds of articles, debates, TV shows and live broadcasts on the results of the Putin-Trump meeting will fall on the reader today. It is probably impossible to bypass such an event. Moreover, it is still possible to say something. Therefore, briefly, briefly, literally in a few words ...

The forecasts for this meeting were different, not only in Russia, but also practically throughout the world. From “a five-year-old child meets with a world chess champion”, where a five-year-old child meant Trump, to the bravura predictions of some of our political scientists who hinted almost at the division of the world to be held in Helsinki.



I myself was much more modest in expectations, assuming that things would not go further than agreements on the withdrawal of Iranian and American divisions from Syria.



But the reality turned out to be even harsher - in fact, no agreement was reached at the Helsinki meeting. And it is all the more surprising that Russia, obviously, was set up to play along with Trump a little to strengthen his domestic rating.

However, following the talks, Trump will have to “sell” voters only the fact of the meeting, which was held in a working, quite benevolent atmosphere. And it's all. Trump from Helsinki will not bring any other assets, he hasn’t managed to conclude any cool deals, and only Finland received dividends, which was again remembered in the world. Now a few extra tourists will come ...

Obviously, Russia was ready to play along, but did not want to lose. And we can, with a high degree of probability, assume that the American side overestimated the Kremlin’s willingness to make compromises by trying (we will call things by their proper names) to “dissolve” Moscow and proposing a very profitable agenda for negotiations.

Probably, it makes no sense to guess what exactly the Americans wanted to get. The main thing is that the technique, which worked flawlessly under Yeltsin, no longer works.

I would not venture to say that I easily guess human emotions by the slightest nuances of speech or behavior. But it seemed to me that Putin was still a little annoyed by the results and the course of the negotiations. It broke only a couple of times, while answering questions from American journalists. Implicitly, but still ... To say at such a moment that no one trusts anyone, and everyone acts, proceeding solely from the interests of their states, is, you see, far beyond the usual wording, which is usually voiced by satisfied negotiators after a successful, justified all waiting for a meeting.

But at the same time, it may be the most accurate description of the negotiations, accidentally escaping from one of the main actors.

Of course, the very fact of this meeting instills some optimism in us. It seems that the path will be long, winding and slippery, but it should have started from the first step. It is possible that what could not be agreed upon yesterday will be the subject of discussion more than once and at some point will find a solution, to the deep mutual satisfaction of the parties.

But now it has become especially obvious that we should not expect any fantastic breakthroughs in US-Russian relations. The enemy is the more dangerous the wider he smiles, and let's try never to forget about it.
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  1. +2
    17 July 2018 05: 32
    Yes, there, apart from intentions, it was not worth expecting anything. Trump, as always, tried to go round Putin on a crooked goat, Putin held this goat by the horns. From this, everything is as before, the war with SP-2, sanctions and counter-sanctions, conflicts around the world, provocations of the “white helmets" and others like them, etc., etc. We continue to live.
    1. +5
      17 July 2018 07: 21
      The enemy is the enemy. It is naive to divide enemies by degree of danger into a primitive. Is an elephant more dangerous than a fatal bite of a small spider? winked
      1. +4
        17 July 2018 07: 50
        Literate people said that a liberal fuss is creating around the meeting. Liberasts are voicing incredible demands for a meeting, and now it is time to scream at the top of their lungs that ALL IS LOST, Putin couldn’t do anything, Putin leaked.
        Here is the author among them:
        I myself was much more modest in expectations, assuming that things would not go further than agreements on the withdrawal of Iranian and American divisions from Syria.

        But the reality turned out to be even harsher - in fact, no agreements were reached at the meeting in Helsinki.

        Obviously, Russia was ready to play along ...

        only Finland received dividends

        laughing
      2. 0
        17 July 2018 13: 06
        Quote: siberalt
        The enemy is the enemy

        That's right, politicians cannot say it out loud, but we can !!!
        And how to deal with the enemy, destroy !!! Either we are them, or they are us. If a fight is inevitable, beat first! Putin takes time and prepares for the hour of Ch. Soon the world will plunge into vigorous ashes .. and then the dawn will rise ... Without the Evil Empire and with the people of great strength and purity of the Soul !!!!
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  3. +4
    17 July 2018 05: 38
    the reality turned out to be even harsher - in fact, no agreements were reached at the meeting in Helsinki.
    how unexpected... winked
    1. +3
      17 July 2018 06: 19
      Also for all sorts of smiles, but the smirks will be received in full. Needless to say, even if in the West they were categorically against this meeting, then what about America itself. Finally eat chubat.
    2. 0
      19 July 2018 01: 23
      What agreements did you expect?

      Economic? Buga Gaga ...

      USA is not an economic partner. Capitalism is when pulling a blanket over yourself.

      There were other arrangements. On the confidence of the presidents.

      Financiers need a bug. Too much fun they live. New business opened. World terrorism is called.
      1. 0
        19 July 2018 04: 34
        What agreements did you expect?

        And I'll tell you - you, um, the sarcasm sensor is messing up)))))
        For this "it is the most" is
        how unexpected...
  4. +14
    17 July 2018 05: 49
    Yes, we do not need these international breakthroughs, from the Sochi Olympics we are all eager to prove to the whole world, and Dimon, quietly tearing at the citizens everything he wanted to the noise of the "great international successes" of the President of Foreign Affairs.
    1. +9
      17 July 2018 06: 36
      Vova is also on the second suction after Sechin
    2. +7
      17 July 2018 09: 09
      Yes, and GDP and DAM are eager for the club of the world elite, they are not fighters, they are not ready to put their lives for their own. They want to live like the Western elite and are ready to betray or sell us, but the Western elite does not accept upstarts, and so believes that Russia belongs to them by right of the winner.
      1. 0
        17 July 2018 15: 51
        Quote: Alex66
        Yes, and GDP and DAM are eager for the club of the world elite, they are not fighters, they are not ready to put their lives for their own. They want to live like the Western elite and are ready to betray or sell us, but the Western elite does not accept upstarts, and so believes that Russia belongs to them by right of the winner.

        What is “club of the world elite”, “living like the western elite” and “the western elite do not accept upstarts” in your understanding? And if, in your opinion, the level of the “Western elite” is not accessible in your opinion, then why not turn your eyes and aspirations towards the northern, eastern or southern “elite”. It’s also a good option, probably.
  5. +3
    17 July 2018 06: 29
    we should not wait for some fantastic breakthroughs in US-Russian relations
    Let's be honest, but someone was waiting for any breakthroughs, and even more so fantastic? Of course not. The meeting itself already made a lot of noise especially in the west. Trump began to mix with shit as soon as he shook the GDP hand. And our president was calm and confident. The reaction noted by the author to the questions of American journalists is natural. An old mournful song about interference, and even demanding to admit it, will also distort the monument.
    1. +1
      17 July 2018 17: 31
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Let's be honest, but someone was waiting for any breakthroughs, and even more so fantastic?

      Read articles on VO for the last half a month. There are a lot of “expectations” and joys about the meeting. Just like on Trump’s election day.
  6. +1
    17 July 2018 06: 53
    This is not a smile ... it is a grin.
    1. 0
      19 July 2018 00: 24
      And in my opinion, the meeting was successful for Russia. Putin openly advised Trump and the American public to tighten control over their intelligence services. Trump in response admitted that he remembers the era of McCarthyism. And at a press conference, the American president said he was alerted when analyzing recent events. He spoke not about Crimea, Syria and the Donbass, but about the skillful concealment of fraud with correspondence of Hillary’s election headquarters, about the impossibility of an objective analysis of the election campaign and finding out who violated moral standards and articles of American law during its course. Perhaps a considerable part of the conversation is devoted to the disgraces of American intelligence services in Afghanistan, Russia, Moldova, Ukraine, the Middle East and fears that these methods may be applied against US citizens. Until now, the United States has not encountered these problems or successfully solved them, unlike Germany, the USSR, the DPRK, the PRC, and the countries of Latin America. But I got the impression that the Ukrainian crisis woke up dangerous demons and Trump intends to solve this problem. I think that the grimace on Melanie’s face is her fear for her fate in the face of pressure on Trump by influential US circles and the fear of repeating Kennedy’s fate with her husband.
  7. +10
    17 July 2018 07: 03
    “with the world chess champion” So far this grandmaster has only outplayed his voters laughing
    1. +11
      17 July 2018 08: 47
      And the "five-year-old child" spread Saudi and Qatari warring with each other into multibillion-dollar arms contracts for the American military-industrial complex. The Grandmaster didn’t even dream of such a thing, only the last of his people can shake out fellow
    2. -1
      17 July 2018 13: 07
      Quote: Nix1986
      with the world chess champion "So far, this grandmaster has only beat his voters laughing

      And then we helped him! He must!!!!
      1. +2
        17 July 2018 14: 17
        Well, personally, I didn’t help him a bit, for which on this site I received the prefix nickname "resident langley" from cheers of patriots laughing. True, I'm still here, but the patriots cheers are something that is not particularly visible already.
        1. -1
          17 July 2018 17: 50
          Quote: Nix1986
          Well, personally, I didn’t help him a bit, for which on this site I received the prefix “nickname resident langley” laughing from the cheers of the patriots. True, I'm still here, but the patriots cheers are something that is not particularly visible already.

          Hooray patriots changed their shoes, they have not gone anywhere. And the fact that you personally did not help ... How do you know .. maybe you paid a tax. and the money went to the right people ..
          1. +2
            17 July 2018 18: 13
            And I paid the tax and I’m sure that% 30 went to the hostel of the gdp and co, and what to do, I am for honest business, although it burns up because someone is putting the 10th gold toilet on the yacht with my money.
  8. +2
    17 July 2018 07: 39
    And what could be expected from the meeting? ... What would the United States leave the Middle East? Not for that they came to leave .. Ukraine, again, in vain or what 5 lard invested ..? Or to offer Russia, not to develop modern weapons, they say wait for us to get you overtaken? .. However, on other issues .. as in the Soviet cartoon Mowgli: - Give my loot.
    - The human cub is ours.
    “Don’t you understand, I’m saying this, Sher Khan.”
    - And this is me, Raksha-Satan, I say! My baby, and only mine! Now go away while you're safe!
  9. 0
    17 July 2018 09: 56
    Of course, you need to talk. And meet, and discuss, and try to agree. This is better than reciprocal SMS with cruise missiles. The question, however, is negotiability ... Look at how Trump is behaving with North Korea? .. Today is one thing, tomorrow is another, the day after tomorrow is third. We are successively bending our line.
  10. +1
    17 July 2018 10: 05
    But the reality turned out to be even harsher - in fact, no agreement was reached at the Helsinki meeting. And it is all the more surprising that Russia, obviously, was set up to play along with Trump a little to strengthen his domestic rating.

    You don’t have to fuck up! In the first, Helsinki played along - got Gorbachev and perestroika with everything that follows.
    Do not repeat the mistakes of the past, we and those were enough above the roof.
  11. +2
    17 July 2018 10: 29
    The mediocre Government of Medvedev cannot ensure economic growth in the Russian Federation without the West, and does not want to lose the sovereignty of the country. But in order to get Western investment, Russia needs to forget about its Wishlist. Lavrov’s joy is understandable - the western isolation of Russia is cracking. And for the sake of participating in a joint looting of the world with the United States, the Russian "elite" is ready for much. But the US RF is not needed as a partner. At best, the role of the Six, and even better, the role of the scarecrow for the whole world. The main goal of the Western elites is to divide and destroy Russia as a sovereign state, no one has canceled. China, India, Iran, Syria, Turkey ... there are still countries with self-esteem. hi
  12. 0
    17 July 2018 10: 31
    Everything happened as I expected, though our foreign minister said that the meeting was better than super and I believe him. Apparently in diplomatic language, this means that the parties did not fight and each remained his own. This is already good.
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    1. 0
      17 July 2018 15: 36
      Quote: Baron Samedi
      Well, why is the US an enemy? They are overlords of Putin’s power, all laws of the Russian Federation are written by American consultants in the United States and Canada (and the clown decorative Duma unanimously accepts them from the athletes who had burned out for doping and went into circulation of art), Putin is their most obedient and obedient protege, and the United States is interested in stability Of Russia. So they are not enemies of Russia, but its owners.

      The boss and subordinate have not been talking for so long and are not looking for meetings with each other. Are you sure that the words you wrote have at least some basis?
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  14. 0
    17 July 2018 15: 16
    There is a theory that you need to really love your enemy in order to strangle him in his arms. But for some reason, it seems that the Americans are not our enemies.
  15. 0
    17 July 2018 15: 33
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    And the "five-year-old child" spread Saudi and Qatari warring with each other into multibillion-dollar arms contracts for the American military-industrial complex. The Grandmaster didn’t even dream of such a thing, only the last of his people can shake out fellow

    This is not the site to write here. Local **** are usually written like that by Americans stupid, shit technique, and so on and before they even laughed at poor Obama :) Trump is much more chemical and smarter than he seems, because he can make so much money, not go to jail and not warm up, maybe smart current person.
  16. +1
    17 July 2018 16: 02
    Trump is a 100% American who became president of the United States. Only his "opponents" in the USA can yell that he sold the USA. If not for the threat of rapprochement between Russia and China and the threat from China in general, he would have behaved differently. GDP plays on these contradictions, but Russia’s economy needs to be dealt with, and here is a complete Medvedev scribe.
  17. +1
    17 July 2018 17: 52
    This, as she says, is only reconnaissance in battle. And not only meeting. The reaction of all interested "customers" should be immediately studied by us: who, where, what is interested; what will do or plan; how who will behave later and with whom. Everything should be accumulated in the final proposals for action for each leader on the ground, for each "captain" of the economy, politics ... We will not draw conclusions on all the "partners" - we’ll get involved somewhere. Let's do it - honor and praise!
  18. -1
    17 July 2018 17: 52
    it was strange to expect any concessions immediately at the first meeting. The main thing is that it took place. Follow-up meetings are needed, then forecasts can be made
  19. 0
    17 July 2018 19: 24
    Since April, Trump has been expressing a desire to meet with Putin. Therefore, there was a demand of the United States to negotiate with Russia. Both presidents did not speak out sharply at the press conference, but behaved in a friendly manner and were cautious in their statements on well-known international problems. So the bosses agreed, but talking about it publicly is very early. Wait.
  20. 0
    17 July 2018 20: 41
    However, as a result of the negotiations, Trump will have to “sell” to voters only the very fact of the meeting, which took place in a working, quite friendly atmosphere. And it's all. Trump will not bring any other assets from Helsinki, he failed to conclude any cool deals ...
    And then by the way.
    Members of the House of Representatives of the US Congress are ready to consider new sanctions against Russia if the corresponding proposal is put forward by representatives of relevant committees. This was announced on Tuesday by Speaker of the Lower House of Congress Paul Ryan.

    I understand the desire and the need to have a good relationship, it is completely advisable. However, Russia is a threatening state that does not share our interests and our values.
    “What we are already doing, what we can continue to do is impose sanctions against Russia,” Ryan said.

    Read more:

    “You saw the indictments of the special prosecutor [Robert Muller]. These GRU officers — and I’ve already familiarized myself with intelligence — were the people who carried out a cyber attack on our elections, ”he said, referring to the last week the US authorities brought 12 in absentia to alleged Russian military intelligence officers as part of an investigation into the alleged the place of foreign interference in the US election in 2016.
    “We have already imposed sanctions, but if the Foreign Affairs Committee, or the Finance Committee, or the Senate Banking Committee consider that there are still any sanctions that we have not yet imposed against the Russian Federation, then we will be more than happy to consider them,” said the legislator.

    Do you see?
    If they used to say - the dog barks, and the caravan goes on, then today the caravan stands dead.
  21. +1
    18 July 2018 00: 30
    The US is dangerous because it has the most stable economy in the world!