The governor of the Irkutsk region "dared" to criticize the draft pension reform

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Criticism of the proposed pension reform by the Cabinet of Ministers began to come (unexpectedly) from the governor's corps. So, the governor of the Irkutsk region Sergey Levchenko said that in the form presented such a reform can not cause approval. According to Levchenko, the government goes "the wrong way."

The Irkutsk Governor notes that in order to achieve the goal of increasing pensions it is not at all necessary to raise the bar for the retirement age. Sergey Levchenko, who made his proposal, quotes RBC:
I do not support the bill. They went the wrong way. If we are talking about raising pensions, which explains pension reform in the government, then the method chosen for this is not entirely correct.




The governor of the Irkutsk region "dared" to criticize the draft pension reform


Sergei Levchenko notes that the government’s concern about raising labor productivity in Russia would be much more effective. In this case, the governor adds that he has prepared a negative review on the draft reform proposed by the Cabinet. He will send this review to the State Duma next week.

Recall that the essence of the announced pension reform project is to raise the retirement age for women by 8 years and for men by 5 years. The government intends to start reform next year. This step is explained by the need to “raise the level of well-being of Russian pensioners”.

However, while the project of pension reform has not yet passed through all the necessary procedures. Earlier, Russian Presidential Spokesman Dmitry Peskov has repeatedly noted that Vladimir Putin does not deal with pension reform issues.

For reference: Sergey Levchenko is the Governor of the Irkutsk Region since 2015. Party affiliation of Sergei Levchenko - the Communist Party.
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  1. +14
    1 July 2018 10: 08
    Went the fight for the election of 21-th year. laughing
    1. +32
      1 July 2018 10: 10
      a good politician, for his own benefit, must productively take advantage of any surrounding situation, both good and bad. This is absolutely natural.
      1. +23
        1 July 2018 12: 55
        Of course, there is an element of political struggle in this, as well as risk. But nevertheless his act causes respect.
        1. +3
          1 July 2018 14: 48
          Quote: Militia2
          But nevertheless, his deed is a matter of respect.

          For some reason, I don’t. Personally, I think that he simply keeps his nose in the wind, and understands (like me) that the choice of the extreme option of raising the retirement age is nothing more than a spectacle for the people. In the end, when the passions become more intense, the “good king” will appear on the stage and reduce the increase in retirement age by 3-5 years. And voila - everyone is happy, the tsar is again gaining a rating, and no one is talking about VAT.
          And this governor will earn points. Everything is thought out. hi
          1. +10
            1 July 2018 14: 55
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Personally, I think that he just keeps his nose in the wind, and understands (as I)

            Measure all by oneself - a very addictive habit, Osia.
            However, I have repeatedly pointed out this to you ... as we see - "not in a horse" request
            1. +5
              1 July 2018 15: 31
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Measuring all by yourself is a very addiction, Osia.

              As usual - zero sense! Keep it up, kitty! good
              P.S. Would you decide on the orientation, Kees. wink
          2. +2
            1 July 2018 16: 22
            Dear Igor! I also do not know until the end of his motives. But a bureaucrat of such a level as he knows, owns and uses the laws of this very official bureaucracy. They are slightly different from our common human laws. For example, if a bureaucrat in response to a request from below doesn’t do anything, then he won’t be anything, and if he does, then he can win or lose. An example of another law: when the instructions go from above, then it should be broadcast down without the slightest distortion and gag (otherwise there will be failures in the control machine). So this governor is an account of the possible and necessary violation of these laws. What caused this? I do not know. But I want to think better about people, therefore I respect. That's all.
            1. 0
              1 July 2018 16: 48
              Quote: Militia2
              So this governor is an account of the possible and necessary violation of these laws.

              Sash - did he violate them? I also want to believe that there are still people with state thinking on the ground, and that they are still for the people, and not for oligarchic interests. but practice and experience suggest otherwise. Hence the skepticism. request
      2. 0
        1 July 2018 13: 07
        so so-so most likely soon as politics awaits him dosvidos) wassat
        1. +4
          1 July 2018 16: 02
          Quote: Sergey Ippon
          so so-so most likely soon as politics awaits him dosvidos)

          Why would you? The region in terms of basic indicators is growing today in the top ten. In such cases, they usually give the right to a personal position. Levchenko himself is quite an experienced politician; he knows when and what is possible. Several negative reviews once again emphasize freedom of opinion. So everything will be fine with the governor if an outright crime does not come out.
          1. +2
            1 July 2018 17: 33
            Quote: ARES623
            Quote: Sergey Ippon
            so so-so most likely soon as politics awaits him dosvidos)

            Why would you? The region in terms of basic indicators is growing today in the top ten. In such cases, they usually give the right to a personal position. Levchenko himself is quite an experienced politician; he knows when and what is possible. Several negative reviews once again emphasize freedom of opinion. So everything will be fine with the governor ...........

            Remember Governor Mikhail Evdokimov? He also thought so when he went against the local elite. To this day, the state has not identified the perpetrators of his death, despite the fact that on the day of departure he was refused an escort escort. So, at best, this governor risks a governor's chair. Now the Accounts Chamber will go there, will incur non-targeted expenses and he will be fired in connection with the loss of confidence, like a balamut, for “It is not possible” to individually go against the general strategy of the government.
            1. +4
              1 July 2018 19: 12
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Now the accounting chamber will go there

              Here's how it goes, and we'll see. Do not remember Evdokimov, there is a special case. Dark and not clear.
            2. +1
              2 July 2018 02: 48
              Well, my friend you have fantasies! It’s direct not Evdokimov, but some Kennedy! Forget these tales about the actor who stood up against a certain elite! Even as an actor, he was not very. But in the region he was loved more because he was “his”, local. Well, he does not compare with Shukshin and Zolotukhin. But this is a retreat.
              I can tell you how he lived no longer in Barnaul, but in that very village where "he doesn’t touch anyone at one end, and his father doesn’t touch anyone at the other." Well, he rushed there, here on his Mercier instead of the prescribed 2 hours, it happened in ten hours. The gay men simply didn’t keep up with him! Now think with your own head whether you will turn your family and children on
              Lada under this rushing colossus? So Mr. Pimanov for some reason thought of it. In addition, he told such tales that the driver’s daughter immediately after the accident sat down and played in the sand! In the sand! 13 year old girl, Karl !!!
              Well, an epic with a village washed away by a river. When the Chulym river began to destroy the coast near one village. So he came all in camouflage, looked around so masterfully. Well, he said: endure, they say, we will help. And he added: God help you! Schazz! After a couple of weeks, the village was washed away by the fuck !! And not a single infection has helped!
              And the confrontation with the "elite"? It was when at the regional council of people's deputies he was asked to report on his work. On his part: they say I owe you nothing. And left. Rather, he escaped.
          2. 0
            1 July 2018 17: 49
            It will continue to be good in the region (I know that I myself live in the Irkutsk region) only if he does not raise the price for electricity, and there is already talk, and I don’t think that someone will vote for him in the next elections, even if he against retirement age. And it is quite possible that he does not speak this in his own language, but what his party leader (Zyuganov) said
            1. +1
              1 July 2018 19: 16
              Quote: true_rover
              And it is quite possible that he does not speak this in his own language, but what his party leader said

              Nobody canceled party discipline ... reasonably.

              Quote: true_rover
              I don’t think that in the next election someone will vote for him, even if he is against the retirement age

              Well then are you so? They will definitely vote, the question is how much?
    2. MPN
      +7
      1 July 2018 10: 11
      With tongue removed !.
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Went the fight for the election of 21-th year.
      So it is that they have gone publicizing on the problem of pensioners.
      He will forward this review to the State Duma next week.
      May be... sad
      1. +13
        1 July 2018 10: 14
        Party affiliation of Sergei Levchenko - the Communist Party.

        Perhaps this is the explanation of the position of the governor - the party line? No matter how much she cost him an armchair ...
        But in fact, the news requires verification - RBC is not the source that inspires confidence.
        1. MPN
          +7
          1 July 2018 10: 18
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Perhaps this is the explanation of the position of the governor - the party line? No matter how much she cost him an armchair ...

          Maybe, or maybe it was planned that they would remove the passions, they gave the go-ahead like you shout out there that you will protect the people, and in the meantime we will push what we need.
          Quote: MPN
          He will forward this review to the State Duma next week.
          May be...

          Quote: bouncyhunter
          But in fact, the news requires verification - RBC is not the source that inspires confidence.

          Who will check them there? Not such fakes passed ... Yes
          1. +9
            1 July 2018 10: 29
            According to Levchenko, the government is going the wrong way.

            "Levchenko, stop! Don't shoot me !!!" smile
            1. +35
              1 July 2018 10: 34
              Levchenko was chosen precisely as a protest against United Roses, (I am proud of my fellow countrymen). And he does what he should
              1. +17
                1 July 2018 10: 42
                Quote: Chertt
                Levchenko was chosen precisely as a protest against United Roses, (I am proud of my fellow countrymen). And he does what he should

                I have nothing against Sergey Levchenko! I hope he does what his conscience tells him! hi
                1. +17
                  1 July 2018 10: 49
                  Quote: СРЦ П-15
                  he does as his conscience tells him!

                  The fact of the matter is that little "comes." But EdRosovtsy in power (before Levchenko), completely lost the coast. Only the roads to their cottages, due to the region. budget, at the price of Moscow Ring Road, which cost
                  1. +5
                    1 July 2018 10: 52
                    Quote: Chertt
                    The fact of the matter is that little "comes."

                    Well, now he will establish a "progressive" movement! Medvedev will take care of this. Yes
                    1. +10
                      1 July 2018 10: 56
                      Quote: СРЦ П-15
                      Well, now he will establish a "progressive" movement!

                      Everything can be. But Sergey Batkovich has strong positions in the area (otherwise he would not rock the boat wink )
                      1. +6
                        1 July 2018 11: 01
                        Quote: Chertt
                        Everything can be. But Sergey Batkovich has strong positions in the area (otherwise he would not rock the boat

                        Levchenko’s regional positions, nothing compared to Medvedev’s positions in the Kremlin! Yes
              2. +4
                1 July 2018 12: 51
                Quote: Chertt
                Levchenko was chosen precisely as a protest against United Roses, (I am proud of my fellow countrymen). And he does what he should

                God forbid
              3. +2
                1 July 2018 13: 25
                And what does he do? I agree, I went to a protest vote. But for the region he doesn’t do much. His talk about logging, industrial development, etc. nothing more than chatter. The only desire to remain in power, with the prospect of going to the top of the Communist Party, is striving for this. So there are great chances to "go" in the next election, this is true. Therefore, talking about "pensions" is a good move, like " for the people suffered. "Somehow so fellow countryman ...
                1. +4
                  1 July 2018 14: 03
                  Quote: Ustin
                  And what does he do? I agree, I went to a protest vote. But for the region he doesn’t do much. His talk about logging, industrial development, etc. nothing more than chatter. The only desire to remain in power, with the prospect of going to the top of the Communist Party, is what this is striving for.

                  Putin told Medvedev, signing Levchenko’s resignation papers)
              4. +4
                1 July 2018 14: 16
                Worthy person. Besides the letter to the State Duma, he would also instruct the representative from the region in the Federation Council. It all starts small.
                1. 0
                  1 July 2018 16: 03
                  Quote: Iline
                  Worthy person.

                  Read reviews about it on the sites of Irkutsk.
              5. +2
                1 July 2018 17: 57
                Quote: Chertt
                Levchenko was chosen precisely as a protest against United Roses, (I am proud of my fellow countrymen). And he does what he should


                eh, if others thought and voted that way ... maybe they would pass more adequate laws ...
            2. MPN
              +6
              1 July 2018 10: 34
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              "Levchenko, stop! Don't shoot me !!!"

              good drinks hi
            3. 0
              1 July 2018 16: 34
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              Evchenko, stop! Don't shoot me !!! "

              And then Putin will say: "I killed the bandit!"
    3. +20
      1 July 2018 10: 14
      What do we have to guess for 21 years, we would have mastered the autumn elections to the State Duma ... in the sense of overwhelming the Edro .. am Despite my negative attitude towards Zyuganov, I will vote for the Communist Party (as always). There is no sense in voting for other parties, only votes will delay the polit. dwarfs and most seats in the State Duma will again be in the party of power.
      1. +7
        1 July 2018 10: 24
        Edro ... and what we will achieve ... they will come up with a new batch and will be converted into it by all kagal ...
        1. +25
          1 July 2018 10: 37
          Vard
          Edro ... and what we will achieve ... they will come up with a new batch and will be converted into it by all kagal ...
          You think you need to give up. Surrender and watch how the Soviet Union’s latest achievement is spread out? Those retired already vote for this rubbish pension reform. Who sees himself at 65, for example, at a machine tool that lifts weights as a locksmith? Or, without exception, all businessmen need to be security officials or to retire at 45? Utopia is.
          Earlier, presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov repeatedly noted that Vladimir Putin is not involved in pension reform.
          But this is generally a masterpiece. You learn the handwriting of a super strategist. Even here, as it were, and if not what.
        2. AUL
          +4
          1 July 2018 10: 46
          Edro ... and what we will achieve ... they will come up with a new batch and will be converted into it by all kagal ...
          No, they’ll all go over to the Communist Party, headed by DAM!
      2. +15
        1 July 2018 10: 27
        Quote: DEPHIHTO
        What do we have to guess for 21 years, we would have mastered the autumn elections to the State Duma ... in the sense of overwhelming the Edro .. am Despite my negative attitude towards Zyuganov, I will vote for the Communist Party (as always). There is no sense in voting for other parties, only votes will delay the polit. dwarfs and most seats in the State Duma will again be in the party of power.

        Support! drinks
        1. +11
          1 July 2018 10: 45
          It makes sense ... to create a bipartisan system in an explicit manner ... So I'm the same for the Communist Party ...
          1. +9
            1 July 2018 10: 59
            Matvienko approved the very first, not even having time to spend the night, the GDP was not in the subject at all, so Peskov lurked, the first governor went in the opposite direction, Zyuganov generally radically decided to conduct Hamlet’s "to be or not to be." It remains to wait for the GDP to be in the subject and see how the whole crowd is breaking in the right direction.
            1. +9
              1 July 2018 12: 53
              Quote: ul_vitalii
              It remains to wait for the GDP to be in the subject

              He is in the subject. He just sits and watches, how it will end: iPhone wins, money can be counted, iPhone loses, you can recall and pass on occasion
      3. +9
        1 July 2018 11: 27
        For the Communist Party ado vote, since the majority for the ED and I won’t be surprised if they drag in the first reading the ED Also in Moldova was http://newsmd.md/news/7873-mvf-rekomenduet-moldov
        e-uvelichit-pensionnyy-vozrast.html then the president said http://gagauzinfo.md/index.php?newsid=29799 But as long as the government in Moldova, like ours in Russia, is liberal, the Government of Moldova raised the retirement age from July 1, 2017 years - up to 63 years for men and women https://rtr.md/novosti/obshhestvo/pensionnyj-vozr
        ast-v-moldove-povysilsya-s-1-iyulya From here it is concluded that the liberolds of the six IMF and other structures of the World Government
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          1. +1
            1 July 2018 11: 46
            laughing No, let’s the whole State Duma be one United Russia members at all, here is the essence of the fact that United Russia has the majority and they will vote as Dimon says, I don’t have a majority in the State Duma, especially United Russia
            1. +3
              1 July 2018 11: 49
              Quote: Alexander War
              I generally wouldn’t have a majority in the State Duma, all the more so for United Russia

              And how is the Communist Party different from the EDRA?
              1. +10
                1 July 2018 11: 52
                Although the shores are not confused as edro
                1. +4
                  1 July 2018 12: 17
                  Quote: Alexander War
                  Although the shores are not confused as edro

                  It is only in words, they reach the manger and all the beautiful promises end.
              2. +1
                1 July 2018 12: 02
                The fact that not near the trough, although fed from the state.
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            1. +2
              1 July 2018 11: 50
              Quote: Alexander War
              Catch Cheburek

              Caught laughing
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                1. +2
                  1 July 2018 12: 21
                  Quote: Alexander War
                  The State Duma will refuse to ban officials to have property abroad

                  To begin with, let the Communist Party begin to push the law on depriving deputies of immunity.
                  The rest is PR, because they voted for the previous law and did not introduce amendments. The elections are coming soon
                  1. +3
                    1 July 2018 12: 31
                    Only what if the Communist Party will push this law? pushed the law and the salary of deputies In the State Duma they proposed to equate the salaries of deputies to the country's average Already Fair Russia is also left https://ria.ru/society/20180428/1519620621.html
                    1. +2
                      1 July 2018 12: 50
                      Quote: Alexander War
                      The State Duma proposed to equate the salary of deputies to the country's average Already Fair Russia is also left

                      That is 35 thousand rubles. This is a PR, even the Communists are against, and indeed they
                      That's when the MEMBERS of the Just Russia party will keep 35 thousand for themselves, and the rest of the money will be transferred to children for whom the whole country collects money. Then I will believe them. Not for chatter, but for the cause.
                      1. +1
                        1 July 2018 12: 55
                        In the meantime, you are for edro? smile
                    2. +2
                      1 July 2018 13: 02
                      Quote: Alexander War
                      In the meantime, you are for edro?

                      No and never was. Back in the 90s, I developed a strong immunity to all parties. I have party faces, I can only distinguish them by name. They all promised a lot and continue to do it. And yet, one of them all has in common is a thirst for power. And for the sake of power they will speak beautifully and promise a lot.
                      But which of them at least once confirmed the words by deeds?
                      1. +3
                        1 July 2018 14: 17
                        Quote: Cheburek
                        No and never was. Back in the 90s, I developed a stable immunity to all parties.

                        Well, not fools here, just read a few of your posts to understand that you
                  2. +6
                    1 July 2018 14: 15
                    Enough for the "edro" drown, sickeningly
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          3. +12
            1 July 2018 12: 56
            Quote: Cheburek
            Vote for the Communist Party. The honor and conscience of the people. Hooray comrades.
            Notice of participation in a foreign organization Grudinin overdue for 35 months

            well then you can vote for the current "mind, honor and conscience" - EP.
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          5. +4
            1 July 2018 14: 59
            Quote: Cheburek
            it suddenly turned out that Pavel Grudinin was the beneficiary of the offshore,

            Can I link to official sources, and not to a very obscure site?
            1. +3
              1 July 2018 15: 15
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: Cheburek
              it suddenly turned out that Pavel Grudinin was the beneficiary of the offshore,

              Can I link to official sources, and not to a very obscure site?

              What's wrong with you? Since when is such a love for the "purity" of the source of information?
              Previously, you were somehow not noticed wink
              1. +7
                1 July 2018 15: 27
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Since when is such a love for the "purity" of the source of information?

                I, Kisa, have always been for the purity of information sources. During the election period, the authorities and official media were puzzled by the submission of unverified information. But neither then nor now reliable information about the actual violation of the law by Grudinin.
            2. 0
              1 July 2018 16: 01
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And you can link to official sources,

              This news has been rattling on all sites for several days. For every taste, choose a site and a 18+ strawberry wink
              1. +5
                1 July 2018 16: 07
                Quote: Cheburek
                strawberry 18+

                It is clear on what sites you draw info! laughing Grudinin grows strawberries, not takes them off! wink
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      4. +7
        1 July 2018 13: 05
        Look, the terrible truth may suddenly open before the elections, for example, that Zyuganov is a secret erotomaniac, a lover of young Komsomol members, Komsomol members and a pedophile, that Levchenko himself receives money from German intelligence through Navalny, that the descendants of all those who were requisitioned after the revolution wood sheds, communists will be forced to work on the development of the Northern Sea Route, etc.
        In short, they will call (and whoever does not want to - force, that is, methods) to "vote with their hearts."
      5. +7
        1 July 2018 13: 24

        The main thing is that as with Slutsky there wasn’t) who commenting on the match called the forbidden word Volondemort, Bulk laughing and was immediately fired)
        1. +1
          1 July 2018 14: 20
          Germany does not have such a minimum wage
    4. +6
      1 July 2018 10: 50
      Yes, just someone else has CONSCIENCE and HONOR!
      1. +2
        1 July 2018 10: 57
        Quote: DEPHIHTO
        in the sense of overwhelming Edro ..

        We live in a vicious circle, if the Bucket falls in, then the country automatically falls apart. The vertical-root system.
        1. +3
          1 July 2018 11: 46
          In general, it is not clear that the pension fund is an intermediary. And not the best. How can you live without him?
        2. +1
          1 July 2018 12: 54
          this is the point. on this and the calculation of the party in power ...
        3. +5
          1 July 2018 14: 22
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          We live in a vicious circle, if the Bucket falls in, then the country automatically falls apart. The vertical-root system.


          With this logic, to kindergarten or to my wife
        4. +1
          1 July 2018 16: 37
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          if the bucket falls in, the country automatically falls apart.

          why would you?
    5. 0
      1 July 2018 15: 28
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Went the fight for the election of 21-th year. laughing

      The article did not indicate Levchenko’s income from governor’s activities, and the level of upcoming pension payments. Or is he worried about the people?
  2. +12
    1 July 2018 10: 13
    There, the Magadan governor also seemed to be noted ... The first candidates for landing from a warm chair ..
    1. +13
      1 July 2018 10: 30
      Quote: 210ox
      The first candidates to land from a warm chair ..

      Levchenko is respected in Irkutsk, although when he was chosen, namely, as a representative of the Communist Party, (while renting the unicorn Eroshenko), they hoped for more decisive
      1. +6
        1 July 2018 10: 47
        Alexei, that’s what you need to “roll” in these elections .. EdRo has turned into an analogue of the CPSU of the late 80s .. Although I have claims to the Communist Party as well.
        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: 210ox
        The first candidates to land from a warm chair ..

        Levchenko is respected in Irkutsk, although when he was chosen, namely, as a representative of the Communist Party, (while renting the unicorn Eroshenko), they hoped for more decisive
        1. +1
          1 July 2018 10: 53
          Quote: 210ox
          here it is necessary to "roll" in the election of these .. EdRo

          So who is arguing. Of course it is. But the alternative candidates are zero. Let them scratch somebody
          1. +2
            1 July 2018 13: 02
            Alexei, I already talked about my colleagues at work. They voted for Putin without asking. I ask why? In response, no one else. Fuel prices have climbed up, pension reform .. I’ll ask, will you vote? no one else.
            Quote: Chertt
            Quote: 210ox
            here it is necessary to "roll" in the election of these .. EdRo

            So who is arguing. Of course it is. But the alternative candidates are zero. Let them scratch somebody
            1. 0
              1 July 2018 13: 23
              Quote: 210ox
              In response, there’s no one else. Fuel prices for VAT, pension reform climbed up .. I’ll ask, will you vote? We will, because there’s no one else.

              Everything is just like that. And you can’t say that the "information field has been cleared", speak up and suggest. And as a result, either "all the same" or freaks
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    1. +9
      1 July 2018 10: 20
      hi from today, the spring law came into force regarding comments on the social network, the periods of their storage, access to them, and so on
      1. +11
        1 July 2018 12: 48
        Rich (Dmitriy) Today, 10:20 From July 1, 2018, the tax authorities will be able to track the flow of money to the accounts of Russians, and citizens will have to prove that certain funds received in a bank account are not income. ====
        It's funny And this is in a country that does not want to ratify the anti-corruption law. Explaining that if an official cannot explain where the money came from, this is not a reason to blame him. That's right, this is an occasion to blame only serfs.
    2. +6
      1 July 2018 10: 21
      Let's give a young man without rudeness ok? If you want to practice your eloquence, go to the square and say what you want there. And to me personally boorish attacks here there is no desire to read.
      1. +8
        1 July 2018 10: 29
        Quote: cariperpaint
        go to the square and say what you want there

        No way ... there they can spoil the face. And here - whatever I want, I’m screaming ... democracy, panimyash, in action.
        А Million - This is an old and well-known local provocateur.
        1. +2
          1 July 2018 10: 33
          Well then yes) a person can be hurt. Dangerously.
          1. +3
            1 July 2018 10: 57
            Quote: cariperpaint
            face can hurt

            "They can," IMHO, there is too much laughing
          2. +6
            1 July 2018 14: 29
            well this is understandable, not just because the guard was created
            1. 0
              1 July 2018 15: 59
              Quote: Million
              well this is understandable, not just because the guard was created

              Yes, you are not lucky. Trying to get in the country I’m starting and immediately to Magadan. By the way, in summer there’s nothing, beautifully fresh air
              1. +4
                1 July 2018 16: 05
                You express your thoughts, passing them off as mine. I wrote only what I wrote, and you try to suck some of this out of habit
                1. +2
                  1 July 2018 16: 28
                  There are a lot of such people here, do not pay attention. Write that today is good weather, and turn out as if preparing a coup laughing
                2. 0
                  1 July 2018 16: 30
                  Quote: Million
                  You express your thoughts, passing them off as mine. I

                  Quiet, quiet, quiet, do not make noise. Nerve cells do not recover
        2. +8
          1 July 2018 13: 24
          and you sold for cookies?
        3. +5
          1 July 2018 15: 03
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          And Million is an old and well-known local provocateur.

          What about you? belay
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        1. +3
          1 July 2018 13: 49
          Keep an eye on the bakery mon sher. You didn’t seem to be offended. Sitting and being rude to unfamiliar people, a lot of courage is not needed. But karma is a dangerous thing
          1. +8
            1 July 2018 14: 35
            So it climbed out of all the cracks. I didn’t be rude to you (you don’t want to call it) ...
            1. +2
              1 July 2018 14: 37
              Quote: Million
              So it climbed out of all the cracks

              Dreamy: and someone today, the campaign, will run into ...
              And the deal Yes
              1. +9
                1 July 2018 14: 41
                young man, go your way
                1. +3
                  1 July 2018 14: 56
                  Quote: Million
                  go your way

                  Allow jogging? wassat
                  Quote: Million
                  young man

                  You yourself ... this word laughing
                  1. +5
                    1 July 2018 15: 09
                    it depends on your road, at least in Plastunsky
    3. +4
      1 July 2018 10: 28
      Quote: Million
      Vladimir Putin is not involved in pension reform
      And what does this yap do at all?

      Previously, there were few people like you on the site. And now, in the reviews of Yandex, the site is already being recorded as liberal.
      And they are right. You have to go to Navalny-ripened
      1. +8
        1 July 2018 10: 34
        Rather, closer to the Communist Party))) liberal in these statements is not enough)
        1. +3
          1 July 2018 10: 36
          Quote: cariperpaint
          Rather closer to the Communist Party)))

          So they write that there are no communists in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. This means that liberalism is corrupt.
          1. +3
            1 July 2018 10: 38
            There’s nothing for me to cover
          2. +1
            1 July 2018 11: 49
            Cheburek
            So they write that there are no communists in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. This means that liberalism is corrupt.

            It seems that in the Communist Party, almost all communists (as they understand themselves). The rest are attached to other places.
            1. +4
              1 July 2018 12: 03
              Quote: populist
              It seems that in the Communist Party, almost all communists (

              How to distinguish them? If the communist has less than a million dollars, then he is a normal communist, and if less then not normal.
              When I look at the lists of communists, I try to understand how the modern communist differs from the capitalist. Mercedes, are they red?
              1. +5
                1 July 2018 12: 23
                Quote: Cheburek
                If the Communist less million dollars, then he is a normal communist, and if less then not normal

                If more - normal, no - balcony poverty laughing
                IMHO, yes.
                1. +1
                  1 July 2018 12: 25
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  If more - normal,

                  In battles, not without misfires wassat
              2. +1
                1 July 2018 16: 26
                Cheburek
                If the communist has less than a million dollars
                how the modern communist differs from the capitalist. Mercedes, are they red?

                You mixed it up with another party laughing laughing laughing
                The well-known communist V.I. Lenin was the son of a general, and the other equally well-known communist Fidel Castro was the son of a landowner, if you did not know. wink
        2. +1
          1 July 2018 13: 17
          And how do left materialists differ from each other ?! Well, at least while you can fight for power, you can mix up what site you are on! This is when one of them comes to power here then their whole reverent love for each other is revealed ...
      2. +3
        1 July 2018 11: 04
        Quote: Cheburek
        There were few people like you on the site before

        Previously, the site was, ahem, a tool for "popular" influence on such characters feel
        By the way, there were rumors that the "instrument" seems to be about to be returned. But, unfortunately, so far only rumors request
        1. +8
          1 July 2018 11: 08
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          , a tool for "folk" influence on similar characters

          There was
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          By the way, there were rumors that the "instrument" seems to be about to be returned.

          I'm afraid in this case, the first “head from the shoulders” will fly at Golovan. The people on the site are for the most part liberals and communists. Although it’s very difficult to call them Communists. They worry too much about their own stomach. They at the time of their party to create the Liberal-Communist Party of the LKP. Please do not confuse with LTP lol
          1. +3
            1 July 2018 11: 14
            Quote: Cheburek
            I'm afraid in this case, the first "head from the shoulders" will fly at Golovan

            It is not easy to do, believe me. I'm ... popular (s).
            Quote: Cheburek
            The people on the site are for the most part liberals and communists. Although it’s very difficult to call them Communists. They worry too much about their own stomach

            Um ... are not afraid for your head, with such statements? wink
            And then, I partly understand the "preoccupied with the stomach" - not so long ago I spent a couple of years as an unemployed ... well, it was necessary.
            Very uncomfortable condition, I will report to you Yes
            Quote: Cheburek
            ... not to be confused with LTP

            Inspired by:

            ... What's the difference?
            1. +2
              1 July 2018 11: 24
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              I'm ... popular

              Me too, especially among the Bolsheviks. To some in my nightmares wassat
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Um ... are not afraid for your head, with such statements?

              Navalny personally invited Komsomol members to a rally on July 1

              Oppositionist Alexei Navalny in his blog made an appeal to all residents of Komsomolsk-on-Amur,
              https://www.instagram.com/p/BkgWunwFreY/
              And the most interesting, the rally on Lenin Square, at the monument to Lenin. Coincidence, I do not think so.
              I saw today those who gathered there. "Cream of society" with a choke. I am not afraid of such
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Very uncomfortable condition, I will report to you

              But he didn’t go down to their level. So not everyone thinks of the stomach.
              1. +3
                1 July 2018 11: 30
                Quote: Cheburek
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                I'm ... popular

                Me too, especially among the Bolsheviks

                Congratulations good
                This, in fact, was a quote. Bulgakov, "Running." I love request
                Khludov: Anticipated. In the lobby is my convoy. A big scandal will happen, I'm popular

                Quote: Cheburek
                But he didn’t go down to their level

                Well, I had to talk with many, those who are at the bottom and near. Okay, survived, and glory ... Labor laughing
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            2. +5
              1 July 2018 15: 16
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              It is not easy to do, believe me. I'm ... popular (c)Who has pussycat.
              Who, Kitty, have little meager thinking? laughing (Or are admins in favor?) In your comments there is practically no semantic load, one pseudo-authoritative nonsense. laughing
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          2. +5
            1 July 2018 13: 35
            Quote: Cheburek
            The people on the site are for the most part liberals and communists. Although it’s very difficult to call them communists.

            Whose will you be? smile
            1. 0
              1 July 2018 15: 55
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Whose will you be?

              I have a conscience, because I’m not joining the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. However, as in other harems presented in the State Duma.
              1. +3
                1 July 2018 16: 43
                Quote: Cheburek
                I have a conscience, because I’m not joining the Communist Party of the Russian Federation.

                Who are you talking to now? I didn’t ask you for joining the Communist Party.
      3. +5
        1 July 2018 13: 25
        There is no one to go now, we have no one
      4. +8
        1 July 2018 14: 41
        not chebureks teach me where to go
        1. 0
          1 July 2018 15: 56
          Quote: Million
          e chebureks teach me where to go

          It is useless to teach you, what has grown has grown. Condolences
          1. 0
            1 July 2018 16: 43
            do not need
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    5. +7
      1 July 2018 11: 14
      Quote: Million
      And what does this yap do at all?

      He scores goals for the goalkeeper, gives state awards, and also appoints / removes "servants" of the people. He had no time to deal with pension reform.
      Quote:
      According to Levchenko, the government is going the wrong way.

      His statement indicates the presence of a certain political competition in the country, which is very useful for today's Russia.
      Monopoly Edra is as follows. The task of Edrosov: to vote unanimously on any issues; report "up" on the growth of all indicators compared with the APPG; to any opinion that is different from the party’s line that the liberals have sold out to the West, they want revolution, they want a sea of ​​blood, etc.
      Personally, I am for developed political competition, which will prevent the distribution of the Russian lands to the Chinese, Norwegians, Kazakhs, and Azerbaijanis by the majority of the Edra.
      But, unfortunately, for myself I never saw at least one political party that would really care for Russia - that Putin, the KRF and the Liberal Democratic Party, that Navalny ... all crooks and thieves who promise, but do nothing.
      Therefore, I will do everything myself. Fortunately, in my region, people began to think about what they were fed by hypermarkets (why young couples can’t give birth, and modern children are constantly sick), and I just do agricultural products.
      Therefore, I do not even count on retirement from the state; I amware of free medicine. Eh, they would still be allowed not to pay fixed, medical and additional fees to the IFTS ... recourse
      1. +4
        1 July 2018 13: 35
        Your position is respectful. One thing is my concern. I remember that at the beginning of perestroika, they wrote a lot about some northern farmer who spat on everything and decided, hoping only for himself, to raise the land there and feed his family. Newspapers were regularly admired, the audience clapped their hands, officials went to see him. A man pulled, pulled to a crunch in the bones, it went. Yes, his health was torn and died. And the children ... What children! It seems that again his whole farm aspen was dragged out.
        I'm not talking about what you want, but you want to strike, or that honest work will not earn much. I’m more about the fact that someday a moment will surely come and ask: "Vasily Ivanovich, what kind of international are you, for the second, or for the third?" Well, the fact that the current Communists are only part of the people, with all its sins, shortcomings, is far from perfect for our people, in many ways fooled and slandered, this does not mean that the very idea of ​​justice is flawed!
        1. +4
          1 July 2018 14: 46
          Quote: Militia2
          someday there will definitely come a moment

          Will definitely come! And so that it arrives faster, everyone should "Rotate the globe of the earth with his elbows - from himself, from himself." But "you rotate the ball", you achieve results ... And then they come to you and say - you say, dear, there’s bird flu in the settlement (pork plague, sheep syphilis, etc.), here’s a resolution (definition , indication), please destroy all your living creatures at your own expense. And everyone knows that there is no infection in the area, it’s just the “Muscovites” who came and built another hypermarket where, under the guise of farm products, citizens are driven into a “broler” Chinese pork for 180 rubles kg, when the farmer costs from 250 per kg. And so that people do not doubt that they need to buy it in the hypermarket, they enter quarantine ...
          Before, in this case, grab a party card and run to the main district committee member.
          Now you complain ... You write a statement to the police ...
          Now you’re dodging the thresholds first of the deputy district prosecutor, then the district prosecutor, then the city prosecutor, then the regional deputy prosecutor, then the regional prosecutor ... After you write a complaint to Moscow, and those ... fuse it to the deputy district prosecutor.
          There is a thought - to go to some party. But in what?
          I am afraid in this situation, some 30 years from now, I will have to go to complain to the Chinese Communist Party.
          Quote: Militia2
          Well, the fact that the current Communists are only part of the people, with all its sins, flaws

          So it is not the Communists. Ask the modern communist about Leninist interpretation of Marxism ... most ofigue from this question.
          Quote: Militia2
          people, in many ways fooled and slandered

          recourse Nobody loves us, except for the Criminal Investigation Department, which also does not love us. (Ostap Bender).
          Quote: Militia2
          so this does not mean that the very idea of ​​justice is flawed!

          Is it not worth a million rubles faith in humanity? (Ostap Bender)
      2. +1
        1 July 2018 14: 15
        Quote: Tibidokh
        Oh, they’d still allow don't pay fixed, medical and additional contributions to the IFTS ...
        - there is a problem, what then should the army contain and treat patients ???
        1. +6
          1 July 2018 14: 58
          Our poor oligarchs suffer losses due to sanctions. The state will not leave them in trouble, the state will help them financially.
          Our poor state-owned companies "get less" profit due to sanctions. The state, as the holder of shares, agrees not to receive full dividends.
          Africans buy weapons from us on our loans. The state forgives loans to Africans.
          But ... I’m deciding if I don’t deposit money to the Federal Tax Service Inspectorate in the amount of less than 100 thousand rubles a year. (at the same time, having agreed not to receive a pension in the future and to be treated only in a paid clinic), there will be nothing to support the army and patients to treat! crying
          1. +3
            1 July 2018 15: 04
            Quote: Tibidokh
            while agreeing not to receive a pension in the future and to be treated only in a paid clinic

            Are you, like, agreed with the IFTS? Let's sober up already ...
            Quote: Tibidokh
            then there will be nothing to treat the army and patients to heal

            You live in a certain State. Which provides you protection from external (and partially even from internal enemies). The very presence of which ensures you the presence of water in the pipes, electricity in the outlet and rolls in the nearest store.
            And much more than what I have listed.
            For this you pay, in fact. What is the problem?
            1. +5
              1 July 2018 15: 22
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              The very presence of which ensures you the presence of water in the pipes, electricity in the outlet and rolls in the nearest store.

              Do not confuse anything? The laws of the market in the country already from the 91st. For all this we pay in full. And the state is only present in taxation. External and internal enemies - yes, everything else - sober up yourself, dust strong psychotropic. wink
              1. +2
                1 July 2018 15: 27
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Do not confuse anything?

                No. There will be no state (and it’s just that even if the state machine gives a slight malfunction) - and there will be no water in the pipes, nor other, ahem, so familiar nishtyaks.
                By the way, there will be no "laws of the market." In the absence of the influence of the State, all former "laws" quickly come down to the only one - the Law of the Jungle.
                This is the alphabet Osia...
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                sober yourself

                I do not drink, you are our caring request
                1. +4
                  1 July 2018 15: 37
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  The law of the jungle.

                  Mad Max revised? belay
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  I do not drink, you are our caring

                  I already understood that you are talking about dust or your associations with trees and animals. Since alcohol does not stick. laughing But Kiss's sobriety is a broader concept, and is not limited only to alcohol. wink
                  1. +3
                    1 July 2018 15: 39
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Mad Max revised?

                    Quote: your1970
                    but there is no understanding that the state forces the market to comply with the laws. Take away the state - what will happen?

                    And I, by the way, with a comrade your1970 here I completely agree Yes
                    1. +5
                      1 July 2018 15: 51
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      And by the way, I completely agree with my comrade 1970 here

                      No one speaks of the uselessness of the institution of the state. I am only talking about the insignificance of its role in a free market. It is a pity that you did not understand.
                      Speaking of banks \ insurance \ bailiffs - one company known in Togliatti owes me a court fifty rubles in rubles already since 2002. It’s not realistic to knock out, she has several legal entities, and she regularly changes them. BUT! At one point, they drove 700t.r through that legal entity. which the court lost to me, and after an official letter stating that this jur. the person does not conduct activities. Somewhere half a year I ran between the prosecutor's office and the court. bailiffs, where the prosecutor’s office saw the composition of the UD, but the bailiffs didn’t. In short, things are still there. And the company works as before, only changing once a year an additional word to the main name.
                      I am narrowing down on insurance at the moment - an accident, I am a victim, they pay me a fourth (!) Part of the cost of repairs. And this despite the fact that the state obliges (!) Me to have OSAGO!
                      So Kisa, I don’t need to rub about a system where an ordinary person will never achieve anything.
                      1. +3
                        1 July 2018 16: 22
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        No one speaks of the uselessness of the institution of the state. I am only talking about the insignificance of its role in a free market

                        Once again: without the state there will be no "market". This is clear?
                        What do you call "insignificance of a role"? No nude wink
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Somewhere half a year I ran between the prosecutor's office and the court. bailiffs, where the prosecutor’s office saw the composition of the UD, but the bailiffs didn’t. In short, things are still there

                        What can I say? Poor work ...
                        I personally would have simply copied this fifty dollars. As hopeless and irrevocable. And I wouldn’t bathe. Nerves and time are much more expensive ...
                        Not ... half a year to run after fifty dollars - this is strong request
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        I am a victim, they pay me a fourth (!) part of the cost of repair

                        How old is the car? Hence the amount for repairs, hike ...
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        And this despite the fact that the state obliges (!) Me to have compulsory motor liability insurance

                        Correctly. This is for your insurance to pay if you inadvertently entered someone ...
                        But - they offended you again, I understand laughing
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        So kitty ...

                        So Osia - go through the forest, you are tired of your whining - worse than a bitter radish ...
                        Go to the pipes to heat, to the capital walls ... You know how, I know Yes
                    2. +2
                      1 July 2018 17: 02
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Once again: without the state there will be no "market". This is clear?

                      The market will always be. For you cannot live ONLY the fruits of your labor. You will need the fruits of other people's labor, and you will at least make an exchange, even if in a primitive system. The state is a form of organization of people.
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Not ... half a year to run after fifty dollars - this is strong

                      In the money of 2002? Big money was by the way.
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      How old is the car? Hence the amount for repairs, camping trip ..

                      An independent examination considers the same, taking into account wear and tear, and according to a single technique. And I will win the court, but it’s a pity. The insurance companies are counting on this, and no state is given them a decree.
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      So, Osya - go through the forest, you are tired of your whining - worse than the bitter radish ...

                      You kitty do not call criticism whining. It is patterned. wink
                      1. +3
                        1 July 2018 17: 15
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        The market will always be

                        Mdja ...
                        Of the neighboring examples, it’s not the best, however, on the other hand - even you are hooked by the edge. At a tender age, however, not all the same ...
                        So: RF, 90s. The state has been “minimized”, the army is being diligently destroyed, the cops will be taken care of, etc.
                        Was there a market there? Nah ... the bazaar was there.
                        And this despite the fact that the state was ... weak, though frail ... lazy, but it was.
                        There would not be him at all - there would not even be a bazaar.
                        Where are you arguing?
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        In the money of 2002? Big money was by the way

                        The key word is "were."
                        Big ones, say? One and a half kilobax? I would have scored 10 years ago.
                        Well, yes, the master is the master. If you want to run, run ... just don’t whine.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        ... I will win the court ...

                        Grant you good luck in this noble endeavor.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        You kitty do not call criticism whining

                        You, Osia, it’s whining. moreover, for some reason you inflate your personal problems to the size of an airship, and then project them onto the whole society. Allegedly, everyone has the same way as you do (in fact, I assure you, not everyone has it. And certainly not always “like that”).
                        And it turns out that not you in these своих problems are to blame, and someone else... well, here is Putin, for example laughing
                        I was taught differently, and your whining is frankly disgusting to me.
                        Here is such a hitch request
                    3. +1
                      1 July 2018 18: 09
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Was there a market there? Nah ... the bazaar was there.

                      The problem was that after the state completely controlled the market, when the system changed, the state abruptly released the market. And the rampant went. Let me give an analogy - after the prohibition, it was abruptly abolished and the state monopoly on alcohol was lifted. I told you, the economy is not yours. Confusing cause and effect relationships.
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      One and a half kilobax?

                      You do not understand the rich. For me it was always money.
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      You, Osia, are whining. and for some reason you’re inflating your personal problems

                      Most residents of Russia have similar problems, and those who have encountered arbitrariness of insurance will confirm this. And again, this chaos is happening with compulsory insurance. State obligated.
                      And as for whining, I don’t need to troll; wink Go to bed Kitty, otherwise in your madhouse (as you yourself put it!) A flood may also occur! And you may be left overboard of your very successful ship (employer). wink
                      1. +3
                        1 July 2018 18: 30
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        The problem was that after the state completely controlled the market, when the system changed, the state abruptly released the market. And went rampant

                        Nah ... the problem was the general weakness of the state. Hence the “market let go” and the rampant crime ... but the root cause is the weakness of the state.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Confusing cause and effect relationships

                        Gosss .. what words do we know ...
                        Dear, that’s what you definitely know how to do - is to turn everything inside out and turn it upside down laughing
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        One and a half kilobax?
                        For me it was always money

                        Yes, it’s clear that money. But, from 2002 to 2018 (did I make a mistake anywhere?) To run after such a sum?
                        I would score, I repeat. Not worth it No.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        this lawlessness is happening with compulsory insurance. State obligated

                        When you insure - you insure against incidents through your fault. So that in case, do not give Gd, if you messed up - you did not answer personally, but your insurance. You are now ... the opposite side, you victim request
                        You confuse the pedals again. And at the same time tell me about the "cause and effect." Funny to some people.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        I don't need to troll about whining

                        How else to characterize the behavior of a person to whom all (all-all) except himself are to blame for his problems?
                        If you know the right word - tell me, I’ll replace the term you didn’t like so much, ahem Yes
            2. +6
              1 July 2018 15: 28
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Let's sober up already ...

              Read the comment above ... it was said by me in the subjunctive mood. You want to argue, argue more carefully.
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              water in pipes

              I pay for it separately.
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              electricity

              I pay for it separately.
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              rolls in the nearest store

              Is the bread free? Or paid + VAT?
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              For this you pay, in fact. What is the problem?

              The problem is that I pay for everything. Unified agricultural tax, VAT, other taxes / fees / duties. That is, all federal and local taxes that are spent on the army / television and radio / law enforcement / judges / bailiffs /
              infrastructure / education.
              But I consider the PFR + FFOMS structure to be extremely inefficient and corrupt, therefore I am ready to refuse pension, maternity capital and “free” medicine, wanting to provide for myself and my family on my own.
              But, as they say, even sees the eye, but the tooth is numb.
              1. +2
                1 July 2018 15: 34
                Quote: Tibidokh
                Want to argue, argue more closely

                OK, accepted.
                Quote: Tibidokh
                I pay for it separately

                No one answered above Ingvar 72 , take a look, do not consider it work.
                If this is not enough - kick, decrypt to the letter Yes
                1. +6
                  1 July 2018 16: 00
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  take a look, do not consider it work.

                  He looked ... Ingvar 72 plus set. tongue
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  if the state machine gives a slightest significant failure

                  Corruption crimes have caused Russia material damage of 130 billion rubles. for 2,5 years. This was in an interview with the newspaper "Gazeta.ru" said the head of the Office of the Prosecutor General for Supervision of the Implementation of Anti-Corruption Legislation Alexander Rusetsky. https://www.rbc.ru/society/09/08/2017/598b48a99a7
                  9471ae35f7433
                  In my opinion, the car has long crashed, the number of 130 billion rubles. - this is only what is revealed.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  there will be no water in the pipes, nor other, ahem, so familiar nishtyaks.

                  Will be. The one who provides the service receives money from the client - for water, electricity, sanitation, garbage collection, etc.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  In the absence of the influence of the State, all former "laws" quickly come down to the only one - the Law of the Jungle.

                  ... followed by the formation of a new state. We are not monkeys in the circus, which did not have a trainer. Although we are not Germans, Koreans, Japanese, we are more or less capable of organizing ourselves.
                  I remember how in childhood I earned money with boys on cigarettes and chewing gum by pushing cars skidding on ice. That is, the state is not able to clear the road from ice, but the people are able to somehow solve this problem on their own. The example, of course, is so-so, but nevertheless, it is a clear confirmation of the fact that under a "stagnant" state people begin to rely on themselves, and do not rely on a kind king.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  If this is not enough - kick

                  drinks
                  1. +3
                    1 July 2018 16: 10
                    Quote: Tibidokh
                    ... followed by the formation of a new state. We are not monkeys in the circus, which did not have a trainer

                    Um ... here, catch the last thing:
                    Human nature cannot be altered; people are initially inherent in living in small gangs and sometimes cutting each other. Only real, full-sized power can clamp a person so that he throws his real habits and begins to go to work in a tie, obey his mother-in-law, and do other necessary nonsense ...

                    The funny thing is that it is very close to the truth. Much closer than you wrote above.
                    That's it, adieu hi
                    1. +2
                      1 July 2018 16: 32
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      catch at last:

                      You quoted the statement of science fiction writer Berkem al Atomi ...
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Only real, full-sized power can clamp a person so that he throws his real habits and begins to go to work in a tie, obey his mother-in-law, and do other necessary nonsense ...

                      No, well, it's fantastic! lol
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      That's it, adieu

                      wassat
              2. +1
                1 July 2018 15: 37
                Quote: Tibidokh
                But I consider the PFR + FFOMS structure to be extremely inefficient and corrupt, therefore I am ready to refuse pension, maternity capital and “free” medicine, wanting to provide for myself and my family on my own.
                -a no understanding - what market laws compels to comply state. Take away the state - what will happen? Right - all disputes will not be decided by the court / bailiffs / police / banks / insurance - but by the "arrows" .... and whoever brings the most bulls will be milking the cow ... And so in absolutely in all countries of the world ... and where there is no state - there is no market
                1. +2
                  1 July 2018 16: 24
                  Quote: your1970
                  but there is no understanding - what the laws of the market force the state

                  You are confusing the laws of the market and the welfare state.
                  Quote: your1970
                  all disputes will not be decided by the court / bailiffs / police / banks / insurance - but by the "arrows" .... and whoever brings the most bulls will be the one to milk the cow ..

                  Now what, isn’t it? Only instead of the bulls, put kinship / acquaintance with a law enforcement official / judge / official.
                  Quote: your1970
                  where there is no state, there is no market

                  For a long time the state was not on YouTube, and the market was ... not?
                  1. +1
                    1 July 2018 18: 07
                    Quote: Tibidokh
                    For a long time the state was not on YouTube, and the market was ... not?

                    and how was the state there? Did they let pedophiles go? Didn’t pay taxes? or still they comply with the laws under threat of punishment
                    Quote: Tibidokh
                    Now what, isn’t it? Only instead of the bulls, put kinship / acquaintance with a law enforcement official / judge / official.
                    -those. when they fired / blew / burned - was it better? we in a quiet provincial town have two alleys of 90's boys in the cemetery - but for some reason there are no alleys of those killed on showdown in 00-10
                    1. +5
                      2 July 2018 07: 41
                      Quote: your1970
                      those. when they fired / blew / burned, was it better? In a quiet provincial town, we have two alleys of boys of the 90s in the cemetery - but for some reason there are no alleys of those killed during showdowns in the 00-10th

                      You seem to be talking with one of those who survived the 90s safely at a tender age. As a maximum laughing
                      That is, the state of the country when "there is no state as a coercive mechanism" (leveling of "especially vivid", for example), they simply did not find.
                      And, therefore, they believe that it can no longer be worse than it is now Yes
                      Quote: Anecdote
                      Optimist: Maybe, maybe !!!
  4. +9
    1 July 2018 10: 17
    I fundamentally disagree with the governor with the productivity of our peasant-class workers, everything is in order no worse than in Europe, but with management and planning, complete failure is where it is necessary to increase productivity or rather the speed of decision-making
    1. +1
      1 July 2018 10: 22
      Quote: bmv04636
      I fundamentally disagree with the governor with the productivity of our peasant-class workers, everything is in order no worse than in Europe, but with management and planning, complete failure is where it is necessary to increase productivity or rather the speed of decision-making

      Absolutely agree!
    2. +3
      1 July 2018 13: 40
      You are talking about labor intensity, and the governor was talking about productivity.
      Well, the fact that the bureaucratic apparatus is close to complete decay is another matter. Here, apparently, over time, it will be necessary to act not only "raising the productivity of their labor" by introducing automation and methods of scientific labor organization (NOT) there.
    3. 0
      1 July 2018 14: 16
      that is, cases when people at work celebrate a birthday with a booze you don’t know?
      1. +1
        1 July 2018 14: 57
        I know, but have not seen for a long time.
        Once in England (it was a long time ago), he was specially sitting in front of one enterprise - waiting for the cars to disperse at the end of the day. In 18-03, not one was no longer in the parking lot. But here we often see something else right now - some even leave at 22-00.
        True, I saw something else in America (I liked it). The guys turned my attention to the fact that the windows on one machine near the enterprise were frosty, that is, people didn’t leave for the night, as it were. I say to the director of this company (and the owner): "Are you forcing people to work around the clock." He told me: “It doesn’t matter to me how much they work. I allocate money for the project and set deadlines, and it’s not important for me how they will be spent and when they will do the work.” In principle, a good idea. Maybe we need to develop it, otherwise all competitions, bureaucracy. Well, like a war. What are the contests then? And the people are no longer used to mobilization!
  5. +6
    1 July 2018 10: 19
    Well, at least someone speaks out without upheavals and referenda. Normal working approach.
    1. +7
      1 July 2018 11: 41
      Quote: cariperpaint
      Well, at least someone speaks out without upheavals and referenda. Normal working approach.

      He spoke out correctly, but a referendum is needed. Otherwise, his voice will sound like the voice of one crying in the desert.
      1. +3
        1 July 2018 13: 42
        They will tell you that the last money from the pension fund, etc., will go to the referendum.
        But by and large, is it possible, is it really necessary to hold a referendum on immoral issues? Or do you think that raising the retirement age does not affect such issues?
      2. 0
        1 July 2018 13: 53
        Referendum on what issue?))) Raising retirement age? Are you serious?) Approx. Do not pick it up) let them pay extra for the budget search, but raise it for three kopeks a couple of times a year) the main thing is not to change us and cancel everything
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  8. +2
    1 July 2018 10: 27
    I love these names))) the authors may be enough to please headlines to please my convictions?) From the English press there are practically no differences left)))
  9. +6
    1 July 2018 10: 30
    Quote: Rich
    Vladimir Putin does not deal with pension reform

    Who would argue ... not a royal thing.
  10. +7
    1 July 2018 10: 30
    I’m watching Kadyrov’s words disappear from the media?
    Actually, he made a revolution with his statement, he dismissed pension reform and people in Chechnya will retire according to old standards.
    So much for the state, Trishkin caftan!
    Although now there are denials, but I think these rumors from scratch are not taken.
    1. +2
      1 July 2018 15: 42
      Yeah, shallow ...
      Yes, you can go out even in 30 - TO PAY will start only after a certain age. If he finds funds to finance surcharge request

      Government officials have been raised to 65 for a year now
      1. +1
        1 July 2018 15: 57
        Quote: your1970
        Government officials have been raised to 65 for a year now

        Especially the cops! laughing
        1. 0
          2 July 2018 11: 00
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: your1970
          Government officials have been raised to 65 for a year now

          Especially the cops! laughing
          and the police - NOT SERVING if anything. Absolutely different legislation
  11. +6
    1 July 2018 10: 35
    And what is so unusual here ?! What does it mean dare ?! For this, the project was sent to the regions. There is a discussion. It seems that here not everyone understands the meaning of the word project!
    1. +5
      1 July 2018 10: 55
      Quote: Oper
      It seems that here not everyone understands the meaning of the word project!

      This is not a sensation, it is a reality.
    2. +2
      1 July 2018 13: 47
      What could be a discussion of stupidity and immorality? Well, for example, there can be a referendum on whether it is necessary to sell the human meat of the dead or put it on fertilizers, casein, and bones on soap? You may say (or maybe you won’t already say) that this is savagery, stupidity. But the referendum on raising the retirement age for some reason already does not seem wild and stupid for you!
  12. +2
    1 July 2018 10: 59
    It would be better if the governor fought against the illegal mining of taiga in his region, which is growing every year.
    1. +3
      1 July 2018 11: 07
      Quote: RUSS
      It would be better if the governor fought against the illegal mining of taiga in his region, which is growing every year.

      Who is growing? Taiga? Region? "Deal"?
      RUSS, speak Russian laughing
      Do not answer, this is banter. Nothing personal.
      And the governor, by the way, "did everything right." IMHO.
      1. +2
        1 July 2018 11: 21
        I will answer, areas of illegal logging of taiga are growing.
        1. +4
          1 July 2018 11: 48
          Quote: RUSS
          It would be better if the governor fought against the illegal mining of taiga in his region, which is growing every year.

          Quote: RUSS
          areas of illegal logging of taiga are growing.
          But do the prosecutors and the police not deal with this issue? Isn't that their duty?
          1. +3
            1 July 2018 11: 59
            Quote: solzh
            Quote: RUSS
            It would be better if the governor fought against the illegal mining of taiga in his region, which is growing every year.

            Quote: RUSS
            areas of illegal logging of taiga are growing.
            But do the prosecutors and the police not deal with this issue? Isn't that their duty?

            And so it goes along the chain: the president and the governor are not engaged in illegal logging, the police and the prosecutor’s office and the Ministry of Emergencies will refer to forestry, etc.
            As a result, we lose the forest and export the forest to China.
        2. 0
          1 July 2018 13: 42
          Quote: RUSS
          I will answer, areas of illegal logging of taiga are growing.

          What are you saying? What a horror. Continue to observe, they are extremely important. Homeland severely punish the robbers, someday, maybe.
          1. 0
            1 July 2018 15: 09
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Quote: RUSS
            I will answer, areas of illegal logging of taiga are growing.

            What are you saying? What a horror. Continue to observe, they are extremely important. Homeland severely punish the robbers, someday, maybe.

            request
      2. +7
        1 July 2018 11: 44
        Do you, Golovan, decide to change shoes in a jump? You are here most of all pleased for the victory of the oligarchs (edro and Putin), and now you decided to carefully stick to the Communists? Will not work! I would have set your retirement age to 75 years old. You support and vote for these crooks - get their cookies and sign them. You vote for the Communist Party-retire at 60, as always. At least it would be fair.
        1. +5
          1 July 2018 13: 41
          Quote: Gargantua
          You, Golovan

          Well, I’m, let’s say, Golovan ... but who are you? What do you work here? wink
          Quote: Gargantua
          You are here most of all pleased for the victory of the oligarchs (edro and Putin), and now you decided to carefully stick to the Communists?

          Now it’s edro that the “communists" are one, in essence, a sharaga ... a medal is one, two sides ...
          And what is dear to me and what I think about is not given to you to know. You are too much for this ... sweet and simple, sorry request
          Like those, however, who have already put four pluses for you laughing
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        2. +1
          1 July 2018 13: 43
          Quote: Gargantua
          You vote for the Communist Party-retire at 60, as always.

          I would not want to disappoint you, but the Communist Party is the same EP, side view.
          1. +2
            1 July 2018 16: 40
            I may disappoint you, but the Communist Party is the same as Edro, no matter how you want to denigrate the Communists. This is the last trash of the Kremlin-oligarchic propaganda, seeing the complete fiasco of its oligarchic party to try to drop the rating of its main competitors by comparing them with United Russia. Do not believe propaganda, think for yourself
            1. 0
              1 July 2018 16: 50
              Quote: Gargantua
              This is the last trash of the Kremlin-oligarchic propaganda, seeing the complete fiasco of its oligarchic party to try to drop the rating of its main competitors by comparing them with United Russia. Do not believe propaganda, think for yourself

              And you do not read the Kremlin-oligarchic propaganda, but Marx with Engels and Lenin with Stalin. And think, think and think again about what you read. Then maybe in your head there will be a clarification and you will understand that the Communist Party in fact is never a communist party.
  13. +5
    1 July 2018 11: 05
    Well done! I was not afraid to go against the thieves' system! There would be more such people in power!
    1. +2
      1 July 2018 11: 22
      Quote: Robert Korsunsky
      Well done! I was not afraid to go against the thieves' system! There would be more such people in power!

      So he did not go, he works for power and he is part of the power.
      1. +6
        1 July 2018 11: 50
        Does it work speak power? Well, well .. Now imagine that in half the regions of Russia governors would be communists, who would unanimously oppose such a robbery of pensioners. Would it be nice or against it?
        1. +2
          1 July 2018 12: 21
          Quote: Gargantua
          Does it work speak power? Well, well .. Now imagine that in half the regions of Russia governors would be communists, who would unanimously oppose such a robbery of pensioners. Would it be nice or against it?

          In the 90s, half of the governors were from the Communist Party, so what?
          1. +4
            1 July 2018 12: 38
            And at 35m all the governors were communists, so what? And in the past 15 years everyone has been Edrosovtsy. What did they lead us to? The main question is, what would it be good or evil in modern times? As history shows, healthy competition and opposition are only good.
      2. +5
        1 July 2018 11: 51
        Quote: RUSS
        he works for power

        He works for his homeland, Russia, as well as for the people of the Irkutsk region.
        1. +4
          1 July 2018 12: 24
          Quote: solzh
          He works for his homeland Russia,

          One phrase from the governor and you are ready to shout his cheers. Many men are not much different from girls, ears and ears again. laughing
          Quote: solzh
          as well as the people of the Irkutsk region.

          In the Irkutsk region soon there will be no forests. Glory to the governor
          1. 0
            1 July 2018 13: 45
            Quote: Cheburek
            In the Irkutsk region soon there will be no forests.

            This forest has been given to you. You do not live in the forest for an hour?
    2. 0
      1 July 2018 13: 48
      Everything has its time. Of course I want everything at once. Alas!
  14. +2
    1 July 2018 11: 12
    Add a couple of videos
  15. VB
    +9
    1 July 2018 11: 41
    "Earlier, presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov repeatedly noted that Vladimir Putin is not involved in pension reform." The Russian people are not interested in him; he is engaged in the affairs of his friends, relatives and their well-being.
  16. +2
    1 July 2018 11: 59
    Sergey Levchenko notes that the government’s concern for increasing labor productivity in Russia would become much more effective.
    What is labor productivity in modern conditions?
    Janitor Vaskin cleans the territory of 5 houses from debris. Opening hours from 5.00 to 7.00. What is his labor productivity?
    Does his salary suit you? Does his employer like the cost of work? Is it necessary to raise labor productivity to 6 houses? Of course you need. But Vaskin will run away.
    Spacecraft assembler Pupkin collects 1 spacecraft per shift ( wink ) The technological scheme provides for a certain number of assembly steps.
    No more, no less.
    Depart from the regulations, and the device fell, but did not take off (which happened, more than once).
    How to increase Pupkin's labor productivity?
    The locomotive driver Gromykhalo-from-under-arm carries hundreds of thousands of tons of cargo per month on his diesel locomotive. The load is calculated by his uncles in the high offices of Russian Railways. Independence in the form of increased obligations will result in either a dismissal from work or a breakdown of a locomotive, with further proceedings, and, in a favorable case, a dismissal from work.
    How to be here?
    But the Prime Minister suddenly decided to hit into the implementation of his own plans. And let's go to the mountain to issue one draft reform, after another.
    And this Stakhanov’s initiative has already become embarrassed.
    Perhaps the prime minister should limit the working day to 4 hours, a week to 4 days. And the working year is up to 4 months.
    Maybe then they’ll be able to do less stupid things.
    1. +1
      1 July 2018 12: 50
      Your indignation is understandable. True, you are outraged by the increase in labor intensity, and not labor productivity. These are different things.
      As for the Stakhanov movement, it was so completely untapped and a flower that was unprecedented in the history of content and beauty. But, unfortunately, either war or perestroika with hakamada. But the idea then remained and it will someday surely break its way. True, this will be another time.
      1. +2
        1 July 2018 13: 24
        Quote: Militia2
        And as for the Stakhanov movement, it was like this until the end and an unopened flower, unprecedented in the history of content and beauty

        Inspired by:
        ... firstly, it handsomely...

        And what was so "flowery" in the Stakhanov movement, explain the near, plz.
        1. +3
          1 July 2018 14: 02
          Well, can you explain the dull sound or blind color? I'll try, but please do not be offended. Here you are writing, let’s say, 10 comments per hour. Apparently, while experiencing some feelings of satisfaction, etc. Try to write a hundred comments per hour. This will be approximately the same in our conditions.
          1. +2
            1 July 2018 14: 43
            Quote: Militia2
            Well, can you explain the dull sound or blind color?

            Well, why immediately - and so playfully? You can tear yourself up, take care of yourself ...
            Quote: Militia2
            This will be approximately the same in our conditions

            I know a little more about Stakhanov, his “movement” and his future destiny than you would probably like. And the question was not just asked, but for some reason you started wagging ... not good.
            Quote: Militia2
            So you write, let's put, 10 comments per hour

            Only on weekends, and exclusively from boredom. I’m just forced to stay with the computer - we’ll watch so that someone doesn’t mess that thread ... but not at VO, at work laughing
            The stove - cooks, the machine - erases ... what else will you do?
            1. +1
              1 July 2018 15: 01
              Dear, read the Internet for a lesser night, incl. and about Stakhanov. This will benefit your health.
              1. +2
                1 July 2018 15: 18
                Quote: Militia2
                Dear, read the Internet for a lesser night, incl. and about Stakhanov

                Clear. I regret to say that
                Quote: Militia2
                ... so to the end and not opened flower, unprecedented in the history of content and beauty ...

                - not disclosed.
                It’s a pity, they were so interested, and - those on request
                1. +4
                  1 July 2018 15: 48
                  Oh, Golovanushko! Yes, if I could reveal this topic, I would not have a price! The last of the great who fought over this riddle was Fedya Kostrov in Cuba. And now there’s nobody to talk about it!
                  But you are still less interested in the Internet. There they will write to you not only about Stakhanov, but also about Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, who was a sexually unsatisfied prostitute, and therefore she went to the Germans, and about the writer Arkady Gaidar, masochist, author of Timur and his team, etc. But try to find information, for example, about the daughters and grandchildren of Mr. Putin. Isn't the average person interested in the topic? But there is no it all over the Internet!
                  Isn’t it clear that this whole bend is being written specially? Therefore, I advise you, do not believe what is written on the fence! Don't step in shit, get around!
                  1. +3
                    1 July 2018 15: 59
                    Quote: Militia2
                    Oh, Golovanushko!

                    Um ... moved belay
                    You just don’t need it anymore, I’m already an old man and I can die so inadvertently ... yes, just from surprise laughing
                    Quote: Militia2
                    Yes, if I could reveal this topic, I would not have a price

                    Self-criticism is a good thing, of course ... but if you feel that "that's it"then the words should be found ... I usually have this, at least.
                    Quote: Militia2
                    Are you still less interested in the Internet?

                    Dear, I have a good Soviet education. This is for a start.
                    Almost all my life I worked (and continue) for foreign companies (because ours doesn’t have a job for me for some reason), and I also went around the world ... well, maybe less than you, but I think it's comparable.
                    Need something else on the topic of "Internet", or enough already? laughing
                    I was really interested in your vision of the Stakhanov "experiment" as something high and pure. IMHO, everything is much simpler: in short, two goals simply converged - to increase labor productivity (intensity, yes) and create a "socialist icon" so that, ahem, to pray.
                    Both tasks were completed brilliantly.
                    At the cost of what costs and how much all this was, ahem, progressively - this is a separate, long and not too fun topic.
                    Here is such to you my IMHA. Without any internet, mind you.
    2. +1
      1 July 2018 13: 48
      Quote: demo
      What is labor productivity in modern conditions?

      The same as in non-modern ones. But some are too lazy to understand, it's easier to write nonsense about a janitor and other satellite drivers. laughing
  17. +7
    1 July 2018 12: 07
    "On Thursday, 28 of June, the 53-year-old deputy of the legislative assembly of the Kirov region Alexander Vladimirov passed away. The Kirov deputy died by voting for raising the retirement age."
    1. +2
      1 July 2018 12: 13
      request Life expectancy is growing! What are we all government officials and the main central propaganda channels broadcast
    2. +1
      1 July 2018 13: 49
      I wish the opponents of raising the retirement age have the same zeal!
    3. +1
      1 July 2018 15: 49
      Quote: Andrey591
      "On Thursday, 28 of June, the 53-year-old deputy of the legislative assembly of the Kirov region Alexander Vladimirov passed away. The Kirov deputy died by voting for raising the retirement age."
      my classmate died in 30 years ... Let's raise to 30 - otherwise someone else will not live ....
  18. ZVS
    +5
    1 July 2018 12: 20
    So in the Irkutsk region, Putin will arrange a "rotation of personnel."
    Those who disagree with the authorities are sent to oblivion. And the consonants
    albeit not capable, they guard and cherish, like Serdyukov and Ivanov.
    1. +3
      1 July 2018 13: 51
      Was Lenin sitting? I sat! Stalin sat? I sat!
      Well, what are the modern communists afraid of?
      1. +1
        1 July 2018 14: 51
        Quote: Militia2
        Well, what are the modern communists afraid of?

        laughing
  19. +1
    1 July 2018 12: 21
    Guys (comrades, guys), but this is not PR ?, the locals would answer well.
  20. +3
    1 July 2018 12: 56
    Rallies against raising the retirement age https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/4287301.htm
    l
  21. +1
    1 July 2018 13: 04
    all over the world some ignoramuses - and one Levchenko is right (!)
    * in Germany, retirement from 75 years old and no one buzzing
    * 1200 euros: 800 for rental housing - 85% of pensioners do not have their own housing, unlike Russia, the balance is 400 euros, but they have prices that are 4 times more expensive than ours, which translates to 6800 rubles. My grandmother in Moscow has a pension of 16000 rubles and a 100% subsidy for a communal apartment in a 3-room apartment + free medication (~ 25000 rubles, if you buy it yourself)
    1. +2
      1 July 2018 17: 10
      Quote: Romario_Argo
      all over the world some ignoramuses - and one Levchenko is right (!)
      * in Germany, retirement from 75 years old and no one buzzing
      * 1200 euros: 800 for rental housing - 85% of pensioners do not have their own housing, unlike Russia, the balance is 400 euros, but they have prices that are 4 times more expensive than ours, which translates to 6800 rubles. My grandmother in Moscow has a pension of 16000 rubles and a 100% subsidy for a communal apartment in a 3-room apartment + free medication (~ 25000 rubles, if you buy it yourself)

      Well, at the end, at least from someone, or rather from Mr. Romario_Argo, they found out that our pensioners are one of the richest in the world. Well, at least his grandmother in Moscow, according to the data cited by him, is simply banging compared to German pensioners. I didn’t quite understand the calculation: "the balance is 400 euros, but their prices are 4 times more expensive than ours, which in translation = 6800 rubles." Well, yes it doesn’t matter. The main fact is that our pensioners live better than German. And this is already positive and a reason for joy. And there’s also a reason to shame people like me, who don’t see our state’s hourly concern for the population and pensioners, as one of the most unprotected groups. I admit my wrong. And I'm humanly happy for the grandmother of Romario_Argo. And for the human condolences to German pensioners. They were not lucky, like the grandmother of Romario_Argo, to live in modern Russia, and they eke out their miserable existence in Germany. Well, yes, fate and fortune favors the most worthy in the Russian Federation, and our pensioners are worthy! (Who does not agree that favors, look at the leadership of the Russian Federation and be ashamed. An example on the face!). And not to believe at all Romario_Argo, sort of like no reason. Well, perhaps just a little:
      Pension amount in Germany in 2018, 2017:
      If upon reaching retirement age or when it is impossible to work due to disability, a person does not have enough means of living, he is entitled to receive the Grundsicherung allowance (basic, basic allowance). If the total income of such a person for 1 month is less than 789 euros, he can apply for a Grundsicherung. When calculating the allowance, all income that a person receives and withheld from this allowance will be taken into account.

      The amount of the Grundsicherung allowance depends on the life situation (Regelbedarfsstufen) and ranges from 324 to 404 euros. In addition to this amount, a person receives money for housing, heating, as well as for paying for repairs and some other needs upon expenses.
      1. 0
        1 July 2018 17: 54
        Medical insurance in Germany at least 160 euros per month i.e. 800 -160 = 640
        The cost of renting housing is not compensated in Germany, from 15 to 5 euros per sq.m. per month (10) = 500 euros
        640-500=140/4х70= 2450 рублей
        transport ticket costs 80 euro / month or 2,7 euro trip
        1 liter of gasoline costs 1,5 euros = 105 rubles
        And the allowance is not distributed to anyone
  22. +2
    1 July 2018 13: 07
    Soviet and Russian comedian, parodist, actor, singer and TV presenter; Fourth Governor of the Altai Territory. Honored Artist of Russia


    Soaked ...
    General Lebed ... Governor of the Krasnoyarsk Territory

    Soaked too .. So think what was happening .. guys! soldier
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  23. +2
    1 July 2018 13: 45
    Will the governor of the Irkutsk region now reach the elections?
  24. +1
    1 July 2018 15: 11
    In general, it seems to me that all this fuss with pension reform is needed to drop Putin’s rating and raise the ratings of the liberals through rallies, petitions, etc. Arouse the anger of the crowd, create confusion, revolution. And it looks like it turns out.
    1. 0
      1 July 2018 16: 15
      Yes, most do not care about this increase in retirement age. The law has not yet been passed.
      1. +4
        1 July 2018 16: 54
        Quote: Vadim237
        Yes, most do not care about this increase in retirement age. The law has not yet been passed.

        Did the majority tell you this? laughing
        1. 0
          1 July 2018 20: 41
          There is not just a protest against the increase - they collected a minuscule.
      2. +5
        1 July 2018 17: 08
        Probably still far from retirement ?! And I have 1.5 years left. And the pension is needed as an addition to the salary, state employees are paid in such a way that it is enough only from advance to salary.
    2. +4
      1 July 2018 17: 26
      Quote: yaaazzz
      In general, it seems to me that all this fuss with pension reform is needed to drop Putin’s rating and raise the ratings of the liberals through rallies, petitions, etc. Arouse the anger of the crowd, create confusion, revolution. And it looks like it turns out.

      Is he your Putin (I personally did not vote for him and his company) masochist? To myself it’s all up to "to drop Putin’s rating." Or if not, then maybe another HPP? After all, if you can’t explain the secret meaning of this HPP, you will have to believe in the first version. Well, or let's get a different version. Just think seriously about the new version first. And then you cast a shadow on the “great” GDP, like this, without thinking.
      1. +3
        1 July 2018 17: 50
        Quote: Leshy1975
        Putin ... a masochist? To myself it’s all up to "to drop Putin’s rating"

        This is not Putin - a masochist. This, sorry, you .. gifted generously, but alternatively.
        I remember trying to explain to you about the "separation of roles" when adopting laws in the Russian Federation? Or - not for you? I can repeat, albeit wildly lazy ...
        As soon as it reaches you that there is a certain procedure for adoption any (well heard? Lu-bo-go), You will immediately be allowed ... and you will be, if not happy, then at least enlightenment ...
        Quote: Leshy1975
        Or if not, then maybe another HPP?

        Why are you all around, I'm sorry, the devils seem ... everything is simple, like an orange ...
        Damn, it won’t reach again ... not a horse, not ... not a horse request
        1. +1
          1 July 2018 20: 58
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Quote: Leshy1975
          Putin ... a masochist? To myself it’s all up to "to drop Putin’s rating"

          This is not Putin - a masochist. This, sorry, you .. gifted generously, but alternatively.
          I remember trying to explain to you about the "separation of roles" when adopting laws in the Russian Federation? Or - not for you? I can repeat, albeit wildly lazy ...
          As soon as it reaches you that there is a certain procedure for adoption any (well heard? Lu-bo-go), You will immediately be allowed ... and you will be, if not happy, then at least enlightenment ...
          Quote: Leshy1975
          Or if not, then maybe another HPP?

          Why are you all around, I'm sorry, the devils seem ... everything is simple, like an orange ...
          Damn, it won’t reach again ... not a horse, not ... not a horse request

          Well, after the rest of the participants in the site, VO is forced to admit. Yes, Golovan Jack, the troll, and also a liar. Trying now to overturn the topic of discussion. The topic of the debate was not: about the "separation of roles" when adopting laws in the Russian Federation, "what you are trying to take out of context. I remind you what was discussed in the last discussion with you, the meaning of which you are now trying to distort (I can give a link to the topic and your lies will become visible.) My message was that GDP was personally responsible for the pension reform in the form now proposed. Golovan Jack did not agree and, as usual, rested on procedural issues. And he managed to “give birth” to such a pearl as: “ So far, there is no such law - the role of the President is a pure observer. "Hereinafter I bring our discussion, as a result of which, as usual, when he doesn’t succeed in the methodology, Golovan Jack turned out to be very busy and urgently leaving. Then, with a troll and a liar, Golovan Jack will join I do not intend to discuss, because he is a troll and a liar.
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Quote: Leshy1975
          FIRST, the president determines the direction of domestic policy (and therefore is responsible) and then, in accordance with this, laws are developed and adopted (well or not)

          But in this phrase of yours, oddly enough, everything is correct. From her and push off:
          - adopted laws should not contradict the Constitution
          - The law on raising the retirement age of the Constitution does not contradict
          - the direction defined by the President sets only the general vector of this ... lawmaking
          - the Government fills with specifics this "vector" (in this case, the "economic bloc." Medvedevsky)
          - therefore, the fact that so far everything is going through ... one place does not mean at all that Putin is responsible for this.
          The law adopted and approved by the Federation Council will reach Putin - we will look at:
          - in what form the Law will be adopted (if at all, it hurts everything ... ambiguously laughing)
          - actions of the President regarding this Law.
          In the meantime, all your cries - no - but - what.
          I am pleased to repeat the emoticon you like so much, it suits you, IMHO: fool

          So, with the message "FIRST, the president determines the direction of domestic politics," as I understand it, agreed? I remind you the direction of such a policy (pension age, VAT, yes, and fuel prices, too). Move on.
          Then yours - the "specifics this" vector "fills precisely with the Government (in this case, the" economic bloc. "Medvedevsky)"
          So:
          The President is empowered to determine the composition and procedures of the Government. As the head of state, the President has the right to chair meetings of the Government, to give relevant instructions to the Government and federal executive bodies
          . Therefore, you can continue to tell tales about the "economic block". Medvedevsky
          Again yours "- so the fact that so far everything goes through ... one place does not mean at all that Putin is responsible for this."
          Personally, it’s violet to me (I think the majority, too), all this happens with the active action of the president or his complete without action. He has set the vector of domestic policy, he has the authority to adjust the course now. So my opinion, it is he who bears, precisely the responsibility, precisely for the given course of domestic policy.
          And now repeat your favorite "While there is no such law - the role of the President is a pure observer." fool
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            1 July 2018 21: 06
            Quote: Leshy1975
            Leshy1975

            Eco flatters you ...
            Quote: Leshy1975
            The domestic policy vector is given to them ...

            About the "vector" we have already agreed, sort of?
            Quote: Leshy1975
            ... he has the authority to adjust the course now ...

            Quote: Proverb
            Haste is needed when catching fleas

            I understand yet? The President has this opportunity ... right up to the moment he signs the Law. Where and why should he be in a hurry, please tell me?
            Quote: Leshy1975
            So my opinion, it is he who bears, precisely the responsibility, precisely for a given course of domestic policy

            I know your opinions and disagree with him.
            More precisely, I do not agree with your interpretation of the term "vector of domestic policy" ... well, and some other, ahem, particulars.
            Quote: Leshy1975
            And now repeat your favorite "While there is no such law - the role of the President is a pure observer"

            According to the Law - exactly so. In the meantime - let the two-handed saw work, if you think that the President has nothing to do except this "increase" - you are very mistaken.
            PS: Stop poking already ... tire negative
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  26. +3
    1 July 2018 16: 37
    They promised the academician to build a highway for a trillion rubles! I wonder what money?
  27. +4
    1 July 2018 17: 06
    "... that Vladimir Putin does not deal with pension reform." - after Putin introduced the government, many political scientists called it a purely executive one, which would not take its initiative. Therefore, on the basis of this promise, Putin and his close circle all the responsibility for the pension reform. If Medvedev cannot even clearly explain the meaning of the reform to his party members, then no one could explain it to him either. Therefore, Peskov is cunning (to put it mildly) by declaring Putin’s not involved in reform issues.
  28. +1
    1 July 2018 17: 29
    It should be noted that the Irkutsk governor did useful, but the half of the matter is "that he prepared a negative review of the reform project proposed by the Cabinet. He will forward this review to the State Duma next week." The simplest thing is he himself write a "negative review." Sovereign people need to present in writing the results of the analysis with conclusions. But the conclusions can be both negative and positive. When working, you bear specific responsibility for yourself, for people working nearby and for the population, then the age limit should not exceed 60 years. In other cases, as practice shows, you can work up to more than 70 years, right up to the "grave plaque".
  29. +3
    1 July 2018 18: 08
    The governor of the Irkutsk region "dared" to criticize the draft pension reform

    This act is highly appreciated. Today, a wave of rallies swept against raising the retirement age.


    There is no money in the coffin!
    1. 0
      1 July 2018 20: 43
      Do not worry soon will be.
  30. +3
    1 July 2018 18: 15
    Communist Party rally against pension genocide. Ivanovo, July 1, 2018.
    1. 0
      1 July 2018 20: 44
      This rally is a miserable sight - how many are there, even though there will be 300 people?
  31. +2
    1 July 2018 19: 16
    Hello. Again the site has earned in Kazakhstan. Thank God!
  32. +3
    1 July 2018 20: 52
    Protest rally in Omsk.

    Opposition supporters in several dozen Russian cities on July 1 staged protests against raising their retirement age. The largest rally was in Omsk.
  33. 0
    2 July 2018 00: 53
    The point is ...
  34. 0
    2 July 2018 01: 49
    Increasing the retirement age for a road worker or steelmaker is one thing, and an official is quite another. The official will happily sit out his hemorrhoids for up to 100 years, and a hard worker, working person can lose his health at work by the age of 50. And this is just a small touch in this area.
  35. +1
    2 July 2018 05: 09
    This is not a bad deal. After all, pensions should be provided with natural wealth.
  36. 0
    2 July 2018 07: 23
    "this is our last and decisive battle ..." the Communists have no where to retreat, if they pass their pensions, they will give up the rest and they will have two options, turn into bourgeois singing along or how they will be banned in Ukraine, what do they expect when the authorities like in 1917 she herself would fall into their hands, but Putin, not Nikolai 2, would not leave himself. They need to communicate more closely as before, to act in groups, to be an example, the only way they will achieve victory.
  37. +1
    2 July 2018 09: 40
    "... the goal of increasing pensions is not necessarily raising the bar for retirement age ..."
    I agree ... It is necessary that officials steal less and then everything will be enough ... Yes, and there will still be superfluous on top)
  38. 0
    2 July 2018 11: 14
    in the light of his flurry with deforestation in the region, a very desperate step is to criticize the government. Also me, guardian for the fate of the people