VSU: army of crazy criminals

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Last fall, the chief psychiatrist of the Supreme Soviet of Ukraine, Colonel Oleg Druz, speaking at a round table in the Verkhovna Rada, voiced frightening data. According to the information available to his department, 93 percent of ATO participants are dangerous for others and suffer the consequences of severe post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). At the same time, 98 percent of them deny that they have such problems and categorically refuse treatment and rehabilitation programs. Druz warned that this situation threatens a national catastrophe if emergency and radical measures are not taken.





The measures were taken: by order of the Minister of War Stepan Poltorak, a criminal case was initiated against the “alarmist” psychiatrist (allegedly for trafficking in his subordinates with “white tickets”), and he was removed from his post and dismissed from the army.

It must be said that the figures voiced by him are outrageous. Indeed, even for participants in the Second World War, the number of people suffering from severe consequences of PTSD did not exceed thirty percent.

Once I had the opportunity to talk on this topic with a psychologist, an associate professor of the psychological department of Moscow State University. In his opinion, such incredible figures are related to the fact that most of the Ukrainian militants come to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and carbates with the already difficult “history” - with large moral, criminal, psychological and even psychiatric problems that participate in the “ATO” more actualized.

VSU: army of crazy criminals


That is, people came to ATO, many of whom already had personal deformations and deviations received “on the zone”, in street gangs, in dysfunctional families. And participation in the punitive operation fixed and strengthened these damages.

In fact, there were no serious filters when recruiting Ukrainian formations: they recruited outright psychos and even criminals. At the same time, at least some people who were well-off and had a good time found an opportunity to evade "the fulfillment of patriotic duty." A small group of revolutionary romantics did not make the weather. They either degraded, merged with the general mass, or, disappointed, they hurried to say goodbye to the APU, as the famous journalist Alexander Medinsky, for example, did.

It is noteworthy that the other day, the Chief Military Prosecutor of Ukraine Matios announced the figures, which are indirect confirmation of the opinion of the Associate Professor of Moscow State University.



Speaking at a briefing in Kiev, he announced that since April 2014 (that is, from the moment when a specific "contingent" began to join the army), the level of crime in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has remained steadily high. Over the past four years, 27,2 has opened thousands of criminal cases involving the 43 order of thousands of Ukrainian military.

"This is the fourth part of the army," - said the prosecutor.

He added that only in less than five months of 2018, the Ukrainian military committed thousands of crimes to 5,179. And in four months of 2017, 7,5 registered thousands of crimes. Matios also noted that in 2017, 97 criminal cases were filed under the Gosmen's article.

We can add to the above said that for many crimes, especially those committed against the civilian population of Donbass, criminal cases are not initiated, or persons avoid responsibility.

So, for example, the commander of a combat vehicle, Marjan Rak, an eight-year-old girl who had moved to Konstantinovka (the entire crew was drunk), not only did not bear responsibility, but Poroshenko personally was awarded.

Moreover, there is every reason to assert that the Kiev authorities not only turn a blind eye to the criminal behavior of their servicemen, but in fact directs it. This is not only the propaganda "three minutes of hatred" of the Ukrainian media against "domestic separatists" calling for harsh measures for the "disloyal" population of Donbass, but also the actual call for robberies of the population.

In particular, Pavel Zhebrivsky, the head of the administration in the territories of the DPR, captured by Kiev formations, once announced his plan for the economic transformation of the lands of the people's republics after they were under the control of Kiev.

The plan of the Donetsk Gauleiter is based on the fact that the land and property of the residents of Donbass will be “allowed” to the Ukrainian conquerors. Zhebrivsky believes that prosperity will come to the region after his transformation into the “most Ukrainian region”.

He intends to achieve this by organizing the resettlement of more “Svidomo” residents of the western regions to the Donbass. “These are not just people, this is the basis of the Ukrainian Donbass. The formula for the success of the Donetsk region - 150 thousand. Here 150 thousand will be in the Donbass - and there will be no more Ukrainian region in Ukraine than the Donetsk region ”.



The fact that Ukrainian punishers are going to kill in the Donbass, including in the hope of improving their material well-being and “expanding their living space,” and they are promised a fair amount of land, are evidenced by concrete facts.

Thus, the famous military commissar Yuriy Kotenok said that during the fierce battles near Amvrosiyivka, the militiamen took the wounded and killed punitive forces to the district hospital. The orderly, who took the phone of the caller’s phone of a seriously wounded action movie, heard the following in it: “Sinok, yak will give the land, take the child of the river” (“Son, they will distribute the land, take the area near the river”). Mom of the dying punisher was very worried that when they split the Donetsk land, he would be burned out, or he would take an unsuitable plot.

Is it any wonder that the punishers who are already promised the land of Donbass consider the property of its inhabitants as their property.



One more frightening moment can be added to this. Over the past four years, “local authority” in many localities of Ukraine and entire districts of big cities turned out to be in the hands of gangs of “ATO veterans”, who, like 90’s “brothers”, feed from the territory under their control. For many Ukrainian young men to become a member of such a structure is a great success that guarantees a full life and “interesting work”. And in order to climb this step of the Ukrainian social ladder, inaccessible to "civilians", they go to the Ukrainian Armed Forces and take part in the punitive operation.
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  1. +18
    2 June 2018 04: 55
    The photo with the car is a masterpiece. Like a frame from Mad Max. And in the car, probably, the Ayatollah-Rockenoll itself is sitting.
    1. dSK
      +8
      2 June 2018 07: 12
      Last fall Chief Psychiatrist Colonel Oleg Druz, speaking at a round table in the Verkhovna Rada, voiced frightening data. According to the information available to his department, 93 percent of ATO participants are dangerous to others and suffer the consequences of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) in a severe form ... the figures he voiced are prohibitive.
      Do they need a "prosperous" Europe? In any case, they will be "cleaned up", no one will heal. "Amputation" of the infected part or "sepsis", the death of the whole organism, the collapse of the country.
      1. +18
        2 June 2018 10: 17
        In fact, when recruiting into Ukrainian formations, there were no serious filters: they recruited outright psychos and even criminals.

        Yes-ah ... Now they’ll peck. Just click on the "Add Comment" ...

        I’m talking about this ... Is the author up to date, and therefore the readers, what is the situation with us?
        No ? So I will enlighten ...
        And so, in our platoon, 5 people (FIVE !!!) could not pass an interview with a psychologist.
        Three of them have (had?) A criminal record, and one of them is a foreigner (you won’t check) ...

        Ask WHY SO? My answer is simple: THE REPUBLIC, DO NOT PROTECT THE PEOPLE ...
        Take what is. There was anyhow.
        The question will obviously arise, but what about the request to the Ministry of Internal Affairs for a criminal record, psychiatrists ...
        I will explain that when going through all the registration procedures in the military registration and enlistment office, the latter only requires filing an application in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and not the police certificate itself, and when it arrives, the zekan, with 88 convictions, is already in the unit.
        А from Don, no extradition wassat

        But a psychiatrist ... Okay, I’m "home", with a residence permit in the DPR, a psycho can certainly have some incriminating evidence for me, but newcomers, for him a solid "terra incognita."
        Yes, and he needs to bother ...
        1. +7
          2 June 2018 11: 32
          Quote: Separ DNR

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          Separ DNR (Gray) Today, 10:17 ↑ New
          In fact, when recruiting into Ukrainian formations, there were no serious filters: they recruited outright psychos and even criminals.

          Yes-ah ... Now they’ll peck. Just click on the "Add Comment" ...

          That is, you want to say that the front line separates two “armies” which are equivalent in moral and psychological level to each other.
          Then the question is - If you take on faith the motivation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then what motivates those who make up the LPR and DPR army?
          1. +17
            2 June 2018 11: 59
            Quote: credo
            If we take on faith the motivation of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces, then what motivates those who make up the LPR and DPR army?

            And the backbone of the “DPR Army” is made up of either such idealists as I, or the guys who dill deprived of their homes ... These will fight to the last. For anger ...
            And of course there are those who came for salaries. There are such in the platoon. Transferred from a unit in which he carried only guard duty in the rear, to us, to receive "combat" to feed two children.

            But how did it go really fighting, he immediately remembered that the kids need him alive ...
            That’s such a lump.
            1. +10
              2 June 2018 12: 20
              Quote: Separ DNR
              Quote: credo
              If we take on faith the motivation of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces, then what motivates those who make up the LPR and DPR army?

              And the backbone of the “DPR Army” is made up of either such idealists as I, or the guys who dill deprived of their homes ... These will fight to the last. For anger ...
              And of course there are those who came for salaries. There are such in the platoon. Transferred from a unit in which he carried only guard duty in the rear, to us, to receive "combat" to feed two children.

              But how did it go really fighting, he immediately remembered that the kids need him alive ...
              That’s such a lump.

              So all the same, there is a difference between the Armed Forces and the armies of the LPR / DPR in terms of motivation. As for the weak-willed, draft dodgers or deserters, this is characteristic of all the armies of the world, and the Russian army is no exception in this regard. The question is the percentage ratio of society to its army.
              1. +5
                2 June 2018 12: 47
                Quote: credo
                The question is the percentage ratio of society to its army.

                That's it.
                1. +5
                  2 June 2018 14: 03
                  Separ DNR - sorry for some offtopic, but I can not help but ask. Are you ready for a possible exacerbation for the World Cup there?
                  It has been said more than once that there will clearly be provocations and probably a large-scale offensive. The "exercises" with aviation near the front are clear evidence of this. They just don’t do it like that.
                  With best regards.
                  1. +6
                    2 June 2018 14: 33
                    Quote: VIK77
                    Are you ready for a possible exacerbation for the World Cup there?

                    Judging by the presence of some "little men" on the "South" and near Gorlovka, then YES, they are ready ...
                    1. +4
                      2 June 2018 14: 50
                      Hinting at the Russians? I'm not up to speed, to be honest.
                      Be that as it may, I sincerely wish good luck to you and all the guys, especially those on the front lines. IMHO, a breakthrough attempt will be serious, anti-aircraft defense and reconnaissance must be ready at 300%. Anyway ..
                      1. +5
                        2 June 2018 15: 50
                        Quote: VIK77
                        Hinting at the Russians? I'm not up to speed, to be honest.

                        If you like, I made a "controlled leak" of information.
                        Although, honestly, this is another and so far the current open secret ...
                2. 0
                  4 June 2018 11: 16
                  I believe that in many ways this state of affairs is associated with long-term positional sitting. During active actions there is no time to comprehend their place in the trench. Sitting in one place is corrupting to everyone. Many months of waiting in the trenches is the worst torture of war. By the way, do you have a rotation through how much, if not military secret, of course? Enough to let go?
              2. +4
                2 June 2018 13: 57
                According to information from Separ of the DPR, ideology in the DPR works extremely mediocre.

                Ideological motivation, as a measure of the survival of society, is primary, priority over material.

                Something does not reach the fathers - leaders in the DNI. Apparently they are sitting head over heels in material motivation.
                Capitalism, this is legal crime. Since the morality of capitalism is the prison convict morality.

                But, you need to know the following. Management of the company takes place officially, and not officially. For example, a group of 3 ideologically motivated people may well take over control of the village. You just have to talk to people right and demanding.
                Why 3 people? And so that it would not be physically scary to go and talk with people. Indeed, it is precisely conflict situations that have to be resolved. It is conflict situations in a competitive environment for material resources that are the weaknesses of capitalism.
                In such conflicts, the strengths of the idea are manifested. Ideology.
                1. +5
                  2 June 2018 15: 02
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  According to information from Separ of the DPR, ideology in the DPR works extremely mediocre.

                  "Information from Separ" ... It is not new, information.
                  Unfortunately after the destruction (namely destruction) of the militia and the clumsy and extremely unprofessionally carried out "transformation" of what remained in the "cops on the lysapets" ("People’s Police"), the idea of ​​quickly liberating their land and the further movement to create New Russia were discredited ...

                  What do we have now? The chicken baron at the head of the DPR, calling the LPR and the DPR two fraternal peoples. It would have crossed Putin’s head to call the population of the Moscow and Tula regions "fraternal peoples." And what would you think of your President, in that case?

                  In general, Alga! (As it seems in Tatar "Forward"), to a brighter future in Little Russia wassat
                  1. +1
                    2 June 2018 18: 03
                    It is difficult to predict GDP plans.

                    But it’s easy to predict the fate of the socialist DPR. Fate will not be long.

                    Apparently for this period of time, the sustainability of the DNI is acceptable for GDP.

                    You have nothing to advise. Your experience and quick response thinker works great.
                    1. 0
                      3 June 2018 10: 13
                      Can Canadian forecasters never make a mistake? )))
          2. 0
            7 June 2018 16: 58
            than what, somehow you need to live. This is just a job for them, so as not to starve to death, that’s all the motivation.
            There are ideological ones, of course, but they all came (and many have already left) in the year 14-15, when they did not pay almost. And since then, how many locals have taken after the "army reform", with wages, grubs. the barracks?
      2. +3
        2 June 2018 11: 47
        This is an infected part of the Russian people, not the "European".
    2. +3
      2 June 2018 10: 49
      Quote: tracer
      The photo with the car is a masterpiece. Like a frame from Mad Max.

      BMM ---- Marauder War Machine
    3. +13
      2 June 2018 11: 07
      Quote: tracer
      The photo with the car is a masterpiece. Like a frame from Mad Max. And in the car, probably, the Ayatollah-Rockenoll itself is sitting.

      I would have thrown off a similar photo from the time of my service in the Soviet army, but I do not want to post my face here. We just then, all the junk (mattresses, tents, etc.) was packed on trucks. And APU, at the time of the photo, had a chronic shortage of vehicles. Because they loaded where it turned out. So there were such "marauding" photos.
      The article is purely propaganda, like everything that Dzherelivsky writes.
      For example, he writes:
      Last fall, the AFU chief psychiatrist, Colonel Oleg Druz, speaking at a round table in the Verkhovna Rada, voiced frightening data. According to the information available to his department, 93 percent of ATO participants are dangerous for others and suffer the consequences of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) in severe form.

      In the original, Friends, stated that 93% of ATO participants are potential threat for society and need treatment.
      It is enough to remove the word "potential" from the quote and you get an apocalyptic picture. I am a little familiar with the modern classification of PTSD. So what Druz voiced is a modern approach that counts in the "problem" almost everyone who has visited the database. The fact is that most people, after participating in the database, have changes in their psyche (schizophrenia is the soldier’s best friend)). I had a guy in my apartment building (as a child) who, after Afghanistan, regularly pulled himself up on the 8 floor (outside the window) holding on to the window frame (otherwise, he was a normal person). PTSD, in most cases, does not appear immediately in antisocial behavior. But they can shoot through the years, in some inappropriate form of behavior. Hence the word "potentially dangerous." In all the armies of the west, all military personnel participating in the database undergo rehabilitation programs, but in the Armed Forces it is only in its infancy. This is what Friends said. As for the statistics of the Second World War (30%), then PTSD (the term modern) was recognized only by those who already behaved inadequately.
      According to crime statistics. In the Ukrainian government, almost all officials are biased by various oligarchs. Which drown each other and at the same time the country, voicing all sorts of horror films. And the press controlled by him inflates all this (as was the case with EBN in Russia, in the 1 th Chechen). If out of the total number of crimes the thefts of the form in the warehouse, protracted willfulness, etc. are identified, then it turns out that there are not so many serious crimes. It’s just that the prosecutor needed to show something big numbers. Maybe Poltorak wants to replace him with his protege.
      In general, the reaction of the site is understandable. Here, most commentators are not interested in objectivity, from the word at all. The main thing is to dunk Ukrainians. But, reality differs from propaganda like an apple from an orange, although both are fruits.
      PySy. I do not want to say that everything is smooth in the APU. There are a lot of problems. But what authors of the type of Dzherelivsky write is pure ordering.
      1. +5
        2 June 2018 14: 07
        Thanks, Normal ok.

        They commented very competently. You can learn a lot from you.

        These clients, who like to shout about “brothers not brothers,” really make up most of the comments, distorting the information.
        1. 0
          3 June 2018 10: 22
          Yeah ... That's right, how do we need to learn more from Normalk and you ...))) Greetings to the Canadian hockey players from the Soviet ones, on occasion ...)))
      2. +4
        2 June 2018 14: 33
        Dear, what about this?
        In a cattle cemetery near the Dnieper found a bloodied form of Ukrainian soldiers who died in the Donbass
        16:07, May 16, 2018
        “At a dump near the Dnieper, volunteers discovered the things of Ukrainian soldiers who died in the Donbass, dug in the ground: bloodied uniforms, berets, body crosses, and medals.
        It is reported by TSN. .. "
        https://strana.ua/news/141400-pod-dneprom-nashli-
        38-meshkov-s-odezhdoj-pohibshikh-na-donbasse-ukra
        inskikh-bojtsov.html how do you think these things got there? ..
        Ps: you are so well aware of how things are .. you need to understand, are you recently from the "ATO"?
      3. +3
        2 June 2018 20: 57
        Quote: Normal ok
        We just then, all the junk (mattresses, tents, etc.) was packed on trucks.


        What are you? everything is always with you and no trucks there!
        1. 0
          3 June 2018 13: 08
          Quote: Maki Avellevich
          Quote: Normal ok
          We just then, all the junk (mattresses, tents, etc.) was packed on trucks.

          What are you? everything is always with you and no trucks there!

          Who served where. Why should I, the artilleryman, score UAZ to the eyeballs? If I have tractors like dirt in my battery bully
      4. +3
        3 June 2018 01: 05
        The author of the article noticed a true feature of the Ukrainian crisis. I don’t know who the CIA-shniki, Ukrainian oligarchs, SBU decided to solve the crisis in the Donbas quickly and cheaply. To do this, the bulk of the population of Ukraine plunged into poverty, honestly earn 5000-7000 rubles. But if you go to punitive formations like Aydar or the Dnieper, then you get paid over $ 1000. And it was recommended there to attract the descended restless people easier than all homeless people. It was assumed that having fought such a former homeless person, he would return home and show by his own example that only by counteracting Russia can material wealth be achieved immediately and quickly. The dead homeless were buried quietly and without noise. All the same, they don’t need anyone; they don’t remember where they came from to fight. The plan was wonderful if we could deal with the DPR and LPR by the fall of 2014, and the Ukrainian state would gain a competitive advantage from cheap labor. Then the organizers of the Ukrainian crisis would organize a similar one in Xinjiang. But near Ilovaisk military happiness turned away from Bandera, it was necessary to hastily wind down rallies in support of the Free and Oppressed Western Turkestan. Putin made it possible for Ukrainians to work freely and dispose freely of what they earned. And now in Ukraine there is a shortage of personnel. Purely Ukrainian enterprises, for example, Mikrodat, have escaped almost in full force to Russia. And now Ukraine is facing the next problem - how will the near-criminal declassed contingent of punitive battalions behave who knew the taste of blood, the experience of war and impunity. They will never work again, they also don’t want to return to the bottom of their lives, and they are ready to put their lives at stake for an extra hour of opportunity to rob others or simply mock them.
        1. +2
          3 June 2018 08: 55
          Many of the comments written here are suitable for friends of Arkash Babchenko, who was first innocently killed, and then “resurrected” by the decision of the “superstrong” SBU.
          And such a contingent specifically penetrates into the necessary sites and carries out tedious work to denigrate Russia, the DPR and LPR.
          Such a task was set for them. Because this “moment so silent” was “silent”.
          I will return to a quote from an article by the author, Boris Dzherelievsky.
          “So, the famous military commander Yuri Kotenok said that during fierce battles near Amvrosievka the militia brought wounded and killed punishers to the district hospital. The nurse, picking up the phone of the phone of a badly wounded gunman, heard the following in it: dilyanka bіlya rіchki ”(“ Son, how will they distribute the land, take a plot near the river. ”) The mother of the dying punisher was very worried that when he divided the Donetsk land he would be dishonored, or he would take an unusable plot.
          Is it any wonder that the punishers, who already promised the land of Donbass, consider the property of its inhabitants as their property. "When they scream in all throats that" PEOPLE ARE NOT GUILT, "that the fault is only on Poroshenko and Turchinov, then it’s worth remembering that their Parents send sons for the best share.
      5. +3
        3 June 2018 10: 19
        What are you? I'm sorry that everything is not going smoothly in the Armed Forces ... Are you in the ranks yourself? Regarding looting - my friend was a member of the ATO under duress ... But he returned packed (laptops, phones ..) and very patriotic ... A friend is lost. I come from Zaporozhye so that there are no questions, Normal approx.
        1. +1
          3 June 2018 10: 52
          Quote: Slavs
          What are you? I'm sorry that everything is not going smoothly in the Armed Forces ... Are you in the ranks yourself? Regarding looting - my friend was a member of the ATO under duress ... But he returned packed (laptops, phones ..) and very patriotic ... A friend is lost. I come from Zaporozhye so that there are no questions, Normal approx.

          I’m not already 25 years old. But my former classmates and colleagues serve in all the republics of the former USSR. Including in Ukraine, and in LDNR. And there is Skype and Viber))) So, I know a lot on the topic. And he wrote what I personally know. I’m not going to answer for your friend and others like him (there are enough of them).
        2. +2
          4 June 2018 10: 30
          He robbed phones and laptops, some money. But he did not think about who would pay a pension to his parents, a communal apartment to his family, to pay for education, medical care., Perhaps a bribe in obtaining decent work in Ukraine. So the patriotic mood in 6 years will turn into hatred of the oligarchic-Supreme Establishment of Ukraine.
        3. 0
          7 June 2018 20: 17
          Ok laptop, it's small. But tell me why toilets and bicycles from Georgia to carry?
    4. +1
      2 June 2018 17: 04
      All photos are selected "tastefully", each has its own zest. Offset!
  2. +16
    2 June 2018 05: 01
    For three years the Red Army marched from Stalingrad to Berlin, and the APU can’t go four hundred kilometers. Why, lucidly painted in the article. Plus definitely!
    1. +10
      2 June 2018 08: 19
      The Red Army fought for their homeland and liberated Europe from Nazism! And ukrobanda is fighting exclusively with its people. That's the whole difference. Definitely !!!
    2. +7
      2 June 2018 10: 35
      Quote: Comrade
      APU cannot pass for four hundred kilometers. Why, lucidly painted in the article.

      Here it is ... You famously painted Yes .
      We mean, in the trenches, it’s so easy, we went for a walk. And not us, and not Big Brother, whose actions like dill are afraid of fire, NOT WHAT?
      1. +5
        2 June 2018 12: 12
        nevertheless, it should not be reduced to swimming. did you expect to see advanced professors, commerce, deputies? and here in 90 and on contract to the second company? Yes, there were no rabid and political. (nat, shmats, and I left Lviv). do not confuse with a finger, and knead and paint. I agree . do not . I have said (written here) many times the story must be watched. you call the Ukrainian SSR Ukraine. but this is not so. Ukraine is a few cities in the center of the Ukrainian SSR. Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk, is a separate territory with a separate history and population. Crimea, Kherson, Nikolaev, Mariupol is a separate story in time, the population of Odessa as well as mores are a separate song. as well as the Galicia-Volyn principality and the city included there. Now about the processes. large-scale. there were government programs (UKROINESATION). look for you to explain. and today is happening (galicization). and this is all the questions and answers. without understanding this, you should not say anything. many people shut their mouths steeper than in 37. and so on and so forth. hi
      2. 0
        3 June 2018 09: 07
        The guys ("comrade" and "fil77") added the correct comments. They compared the so-called "insanity" of the ATO participants and our ancestors, fathers and grandfathers, who defended the USSR from reptiles who pressed from all over Europe also behind the land "by the river" And in the comments everything was put on the same swing board.
    3. +2
      2 June 2018 11: 44
      Quote: Comrade
      For three years the Red Army marched from Stalingrad to Berlin, and the APU can’t go four hundred kilometers. Why, lucidly painted in the article. Plus definitely!

      You probably just did not follow the march-fraud of the Armed Forces in 2014-2015 in Donbas, so write about 100 kilometers. But this has nothing to do with the topic of the article.
      1. 0
        3 June 2018 09: 10
        But you, my friend, are working together with the "risen" Arkady Babchenko.
        You are a berry of one field, on one Abrams dream of entering the Kremlin. Dream ...
  3. +10
    2 June 2018 05: 26
    any loony considers himself normal !!! - commandment of a psychiatrist laughing
    1. +5
      2 June 2018 13: 07
      The commandment of a psychiatrist is not normal people, there are unexplored. wassat And as regards the topic, combat mental disorders have long become a separate area in psychiatry, and quite serious.
    2. +4
      2 June 2018 16: 50
      And the best doctor is a pathologist !!! laughing He will always tell the truth! laughing
    3. +4
      2 June 2018 17: 10
      No, just the line between abnormal and normal is so thin that sometimes it seems, it doesn’t exist at all.
      Speaking popularly: "Everyone has their own cockroaches in the head"
  4. +5
    2 June 2018 05: 38
    There, the whole country seems to have post-traumatic stress disorder. Alas, the diagnosis however. Well, and the president is one step ahead. There is no two liter!
    1. 0
      3 June 2018 09: 15
      What is the speech of Petro Poroshenko on the procedure of "resurrection" of Arkady Babchenko! The disgustingly drunken face, if one may call it that, the intonation of an idiot and the words about the birthday of the republic that went down in history ....
      Lord, you look at it, see it and endure ....
  5. +7
    2 June 2018 05: 40
    In general, of course, there will be problems with psychology. They are inevitable because there is no worthy motivation for war. The artificial hatred of Russia on an individual level is not balanced by the fear of death. After all, Hatred is when you want to kill but are Afraid. In the Wehrmacht, this problem was solved by the fact that the main motivation was the superiority of the German race and contempt against the belief in victory. In addition, the German national socialism implied happiness for the German people, but what the Ukrainians have — the desire for Europe? so this already implies the superiority of Europe, and puts the fighter in a humiliating position. And the language is practically the same - too. Therefore, by definition, there cannot be normal
    1. +3
      2 June 2018 21: 00
      Quote: aybolyt678
      In general, of course, there will be problems with psychology. They are inevitable because there is no worthy motivation for war.

      decent motivation affects the soldier’s fighting ability.
      and the roof always goes. for many years he leveled off a slight shift. winked
    2. +3
      3 June 2018 10: 29
      Quote: aybolyt678
      In general, of course, there will be problems with psychology there. They are inevitable because there is no worthy motivation for war. The artificial hatred of Russia on an individual level is not balanced by the fear of death. After all, Hatred is when you want to kill, but Are Afraid. In the Wehrmacht, this problem was solved by the fact that the main motivation was the superiority of the German race and contempt against the belief in victory. In addition, German National Socialism implied happiness for the German people, but for Ukrainians what? desire for Europe? so this already implies the superiority of Europe, and puts the fighter in a humiliating position. And the language is practically the same, too. Therefore, by definition, there cannot be normal


      - It is worth looking at the “experts and political scientists” that Ukraine supplies to our television channels. We look at them and wonder, "Are they all at home?" What is being done in their heads? Yes! artificial hatred of Russia. They cannot understand AND ACCEPT THAT CRIMEA BELONGS TO THE LAW OF RUSSIA, that he (Ukraine) Kravchuk got it through the stupidity and hypocrisy of Yeltsin BN, who could not even think about the CONSEQUENCES of the TRANSFER OF CRIMEA to another state that is simply him ( Crimea) I used the stupidity of another secretary of the CPSU Central Committee. Neither Khrushchev nor Yeltsin remembered the dead Russian soldiers, orphans of children left without a father as a result of the WAR where Potemkin tried, and as a result of which Ekaterina II issued a Decree ON THE ACCESSION OF CRIMEA TO RUSSIA, but not to Ukraine!
      But all these "kovtuns" have long been zombified and expecting Honor and Justice from them is a vain effort.
  6. +6
    2 June 2018 05: 50
    Yes, such a motivation of Ukrovsk is not a threat to any army in the world, but the civilian population will be crushed to pieces, torn and torn to the skin.
  7. +6
    2 June 2018 06: 10
    No wonder this happens. At one time, the "chief prosecutor" Lutsenko said that "if a person is in prison, this does not mean that he is not a patriot" And they were offered seasoned felons with long sentences to go to the ATO, for which they shortened these terms. But who said that they are fighting there? Rather, they "fight" with the civilian population there. Further, there are no rehabilitation centers. If there is, then in small quantities, it is impossible to get there. Hence the avalanche of suicides, mostly young guys, which our press is modestly silent about. If earlier it could have been a couple of suicides in mc, now it’s 5 per week. And this is only in Kiev. And what is going on in the villages! Yes, to whom these villagers surrendered! That's just the resources are not endless, but Petya believes that not everything is lost, and now the troops of NATO, OSCE, etc. will be introduced. so they will fight for Ukraine. Oh well. But youth is a pity. With such a pace, Ukraine will die out in the next decade.
    1. +5
      2 June 2018 09: 48
      Quote: Egoza
      the resources are not endless, but Petya believes that not everything is lost, and that NATO, OSCE, etc. will be introduced. so they will fight for Ukraine. Oh well. But youth is a pity. With such a pace, Ukraine will die out in the next decade.

      Must clarify Yes
      The only question is whether Moscow will give Ukraine this decade?
      Why Moscow? After all, she is "not a party to the conflict" ... Anyway ...
      But anyone and everyone, after all, understands that if the Kremlin did not follow the requirements of the oligarchs (supposedly eliminated from influence on Russian politics), then the Ukrainian-Bandera stash would not exist for a day ...
    2. +4
      2 June 2018 14: 16
      Egoza

      The suicide rate among young people is the highest. He is not even high in warring countries. In South Korea, in the USA, in Canada. Very high suicide rate. It’s just hushed up.

      But the reason is the same. The economic system does not work for development. There is no future. There is a disappointment.
    3. +1
      3 June 2018 12: 36
      [quote = Fidget) But youth is a pity. With such a pace, Ukraine will die out in the next decade. [/ Quote]
      For this, everything was planned by the states.
  8. +3
    2 June 2018 08: 36
    There is nothing surprising here. Ukro-lumpen was specially carefully created on the territory of Ukraine even before the collapse of the USSR. In the last Soviet years. And this could not give the corresponding results.
    The same thing is happening today in many other republics of the collapsed USSR. And this, too, in the near future will not slow down.
  9. +2
    2 June 2018 08: 45
    Which country, such and the army ...
    1. +2
      2 June 2018 10: 07
      Quote: parusnik
      Which country, such and the army ...

      What is the president ...... such and all the rest!

      Feet like ...... add yourself how much imagination is enough. I have enough, but I can’t write politely
  10. +4
    2 June 2018 09: 15
    After the collapse of the USSR and the acquisition of the so-called "independence" they strenuously approached this and rejoiced in their impenetrable stupidity. What they deserved, they got it. There is no one to negotiate with for a long time there, it is necessary to clean out the Ukrainians themselves, who have not yet completely gone crazy.
  11. +7
    2 June 2018 09: 35
    It so happened that yesterday with the service of selecting fellow travelers, we were traveling with a peasant from Ukraine. He had already left Moscow for a long time, he personally knows many rich people in Ukraine and Russia. A man was going to bury his father ... From his stories - his hair stand on end. The news is good, but when you hear first-hand how to live in a village in Ukraine right now, this is total hell. The post office refused a telegraph and could not send a telegram to a person. With an Internet problem. There is no fuel. And this is considering that this man’s sister is from the Ministry of Health. Hell...
    1. +4
      2 June 2018 09: 56
      Quote: AshiSolo
      Hell...

      For that fought for it and ran. There they are dear.

      WE ARE NOT WAY WITH THEM ...
      1. +4
        2 June 2018 11: 02
        I do not agree with you. It’s always easy to score and toss. But others will pick up and spud. Wrong way? So you need to do so that it is on the way. And how do our friends work?
        It would be necessary to sever all relations, freeze supplies and remain silent for a couple of months. Well, what the Ukrobrats want themselves. And then you can begin to bargain, buy bureaucrats, crush and work. This is politics. It’s always easy to score. It’s hard to work.
        1. +3
          2 June 2018 11: 16
          Quote: AshiSolo
          I do not agree with you.

          Of course, it is not possible to find a consensus on the fate of Banederostan with a person who has been fighting against him for a third year. soldier
          1. +4
            2 June 2018 11: 21
            Do not get me wrong - I am, relatively speaking, sitting on the couch. No bullets whistle above me and shells do not fly into my apartment. It’s very easy and difficult for me to understand you. Easy - wipe everyone off the face of the earth. Difficult - and then what? Do you have plans and strategies for 10-20 years ahead? What are you going to do? What about the budget, with pensions and others like him? Or "I will conquer all, and then let others think they have a big head"?
            1. +5
              2 June 2018 11: 41
              Quote: AshiSolo
              Do you have plans and strategies for 10-20 years ahead? What are you going to do?

              For starters (be it my will) I would simply repel the LPR and the DPR within the borders of the 14th year ...
              But this "Wishlist" conflicts with the "Wishlist" of Russian oligarchs, who need ALL of Ukraine, and preferably in as much as possible untidy form (as much as possible), so that "everything works."
              As demonstrated by the technological chain of the “miraculously abandoned” Avdeevka coke chemical and metallurgy of Mariupol, the “miracle not taken” ...
              1. +2
                2 June 2018 11: 48
                And then? What then? Well let the federation. And what will you do? It is high time to throw trunks on both sides, disperse and work.
                1. +4
                  2 June 2018 12: 30
                  Quote: AshiSolo
                  It is high time to throw trunks on both sides, disperse and work.

                  It's time Yes Dill ... Through unconditional surrender and a regime of complete denazification with a decrease in rights and freedoms.
                  We do not crave indemnities and annexations.
                  1. 0
                    8 June 2018 01: 34
                    And where does the dill? Didn’t people in camouflage with weapons on buses arrived on April 12 in the cities and towns of Donbass and brewed all this mess?
                2. +2
                  3 June 2018 10: 56
                  "it's time ... to throw trunks and go away .."

                  -Good offer. But remember February 20-21, 2014, Kiev.
                  Who signed the Miter and Mutual Understanding?
                  I will answer: Germany, Poland, France. On their behalf, the Ministers of Foreign Affairs (MFA) of Europe. But have they forgotten their goal in the heated conflict? after all, they were kindling him! and who wants to, who will allow them to fold their trunks and go home?
                  And for the Great Puddle, 760 billion bucks were allocated just like that?
              2. 0
                3 June 2018 23: 45
                Quote: Separ DNR
                For starters (be it my will) I would simply repel the LPR and the DPR within the borders of the 14th year ...

                Do not confuse the sinful with the righteous, the DNI and LC are not a goal, but just a means.
                Quote: Separ DNR
                But this "Wishlist" is in conflict with the "Wishlist" of Russian oligarchs who need ALL of Ukraine, and preferably in the most undisturbed form

                That's just the oligarchs do not need it, the oligarchy is an international phenomenon.
  12. +2
    2 June 2018 10: 25
    They will receive coffins there, not the earth. These half-human beings are completely brainless, since they believe in all this nonsense.
  13. +7
    2 June 2018 11: 14
    Good article for the development of capillism.
    In general, the lads are drunk - horses are even worse ...
    There is no army. Do not be afraid. Well .. that will also help.
    I just don’t understand, someone really wants to proceed from the paradigm “the adversary is weak” or to be convinced of this specifically, or just create an informational eagle among the consumers of this information product for the sake of rating ...
    After all, there are several goals ... and are successfully implemented in the head.
    And the APU has a lot of problems like any army in such wars. They really are. As you see, the highest ranks say about them. Ukrainians themselves admit and are actively trying to do something. Another thing is what it will lead to and what such articles will lead to ...

    Oh yes
    "Sinok, as if I will give the earth, take dilyanka bіlya rіchki "(" Son, how will they distribute land, take a plot near the river ").

    really liked, as well as the resettlement of zapadentsev (the author is very poorly aware of how this process can be implemented)
    But here, “take the little dyanka” the ending is not true ... that somehow devalued such a fake. In Ukrainian, the endings are almost identical to Russian (Russian to be more precise)
    Take the fly!
    In fact, the “Russian world” of such a spill can create a Russophobic environment cleaner than the Westerners, who are currently neutral to the Russian Federation, than the Russian Ukraine itself - which the Russians themselves skillfully tuned. Because the APU itself is a “Russian” army, where most of that New Russia (Russian-speaking regions) have their own “Russian” problems. And it is still quite Russian (at first, a lot of victims, then study, a lot of victims, then quality)
    in the meantime, we’ll develop cap-hatting ... After colliding the two largest Russian states, it’s so good to think that they haven’t lost anything and there isn’t even any impunity.
    1. +2
      2 June 2018 11: 34
      In fact, any person who was at least at the training ground knows that any bullet, whether it is righteous or not, is the end.
      And here is just a “trickery” - you are very past the cash register. And Berlin took training on wooden mock-ups and Ukraine is not the largest of the word at all.
      1. +2
        2 June 2018 15: 20
        Quote: AshiSolo
        And Berlin took training on wooden mock-ups and Ukraine is not the largest of the word at all.

        but the assault cost a lot.
        I wrote the largest (RF and Ukraine) in quantity. If there are still 140 and 42 million Russians in the world (because the Republic of Belarus with 10 and the ROK do not even count everything with 17), add the states to the list.
    2. 0
      3 June 2018 16: 23
      Irene, and who is pushing together the "two largest Russian states"? I will answer: "Civilized West!"
      So there are a lot of mistakes in your comment. from my point of view. And what state, such a "large", such a "Russian", long before 2014, was preparing itself to sacrifice itself to the Anglo-Saxon world? And nearby, Poland (!), With what joy it rubbed its hands: the dream was approaching to become the Mistress of the Three Seas.
      1. 0
        3 June 2018 20: 05
        Quote: tlSver4-KL (tat)
        And what state, such a "large", such a "Russian", long before 2014, was preparing itself to sacrifice itself to the Anglo-Saxon world?

        you can always blame the whole country in absentia (although the people are just an object of elite management)
        I didn’t have any thought of sacrificing myself. Yes, and others.
        Now it will be a matter of survival.
        Poland has its own interests. But she is in the stream of the Collective West.
      2. 0
        8 June 2018 01: 37
        Oh, did this civilized west order to disperse a rally in Kiev and even shoot? And the mess in the Crimea and the Donbass under the legend of “protecting the Russians” (from whom, did anyone see the Bandera live in the Crimea?) Did the West also start?
  14. +4
    2 June 2018 12: 13
    It's a shame and a pity to see the degradation of part of our people, once beloved and respected in all 15 republics of our former great power. And what is more offensive is that we did all this ourselves, that some of our people, whom we entrusted the government of the country, decided to call themselves elites and the main untouchable and legal estate, believing in its exclusivity and "alien" origin, immediately betrayed its people and country, violating all oaths and oaths, surrendered the state to plunder and destruction without a fight, subjecting its people to a single country genocide, fooling and degradation. The result of treason, our so-called elite, who threw parts of our people to be torn to pieces by the west and our enemies.
  15. +2
    2 June 2018 13: 19
    The program "Far Eastern hectare" (with a small letter) in Ukraine.)))
  16. +2
    2 June 2018 13: 54
    Yeah, symptomatically .. In fact, the Outskirts returned to the "good old" times of feudalism - feudal fragmentation, when the estate was given (or promised). And this kosher Mr., Zhebrivsky is clearly not a random character there .. Typical Iudobandera. This example is an additional confirmation that the most “frostbitten” ones are not even ethnic Ukrainians, so to speak .. For those, the more blood and hatred on both sides, the more gesheft.
    “And his older sister, Filya, the head of the pharmaceutical giant Farmak, loves the Hebrew version of the surname“ Zhebrovskaya ”more. Perhaps it’s better for business. But no matter how they call themselves, this family is a vivid illustration of the proverb“ hand wash. ” "From the network.
    1. +3
      2 June 2018 15: 14
      Quote: VIK77
      “And his older sister, Filya, the head of the pharmaceutical giant Farmak, loves the Jewish version of the surname“ Zhebrovskaya ”more.

      Translated from Ukrainian,gibberish(it is obvious that Zhebrovsky (th), a derivative of this word), this is a beggar, a beggar hi
  17. +2
    2 June 2018 14: 58
    Artificially created, paid by credit money nightmare aimed at the destruction of the Slavic population.
  18. 0
    2 June 2018 16: 29
    I'm wondering, on the demarcation line, how are things with the Internet?
    1. 0
      3 June 2018 01: 27
      Are you even in Syria in the desert high-speed Internet is working, from there the victims are direct to the UN video conference. laughing
  19. +3
    2 June 2018 16: 29
    Over the past four years, “local authority” in many settlements of Ukraine and entire regions of large cities has actually been in the hands of gangs of “ATO veterans” who, like the “brothers” of the 90s, feed from controlled territory.

    Once we were like that ... feeding ... Ivan IV ... Ukraine was not there then
    1. 0
      8 June 2018 01: 42
      was, was. The 16th century is just the era of the formation of the Ukrainian Cossacks as an estate. Then just the contradictions were laid that led to a series of Cossack uprisings of the 17th century and segregation of Ukraine from Poland.
      1. +1
        10 June 2018 16: 32
        You feel the style of the historian in the story)) Just you wrote that only the prerequisites for its appearance were created, that is, it was not. However, not fundamentally, present-day Ukraine appeared ideologically in general in the 19th century.
        1. -1
          13 June 2018 16: 24
          As an ethno-confessional community, distinct from the crown lands, it manifested itself in the 17th century, it is quite possible to consider the emergence of a single nationality. It’s another matter that the rebels were guided not at all by the principles of national definition, they just wanted to expand the registry: being a Cossack was prestigious and profitable — they paid a salary, freed themselves from duties. But there were hundreds of thousands of applicants, and the registry was only 10 thousand (changed by decision of the Seimas). Almost all the registered Cossacks of the pre-Khmelnitsky era were from impoverished gentry, they looked at the peasants with contempt and used them as cannon fodder. And Khmelnitsky for his purposes called the Crimean Khan (later even the Turkish Sultan) into the allies, allowing him to capture 200 thousand yasak from Ukrainian lands. He put into slavery a tenth of the population, to achieve personal goals, there was no talk of any desire for Russia - Moscow looked with horror at what was happening and supported the Polish crown rather.
  20. +1
    2 June 2018 17: 06
    When a person finds himself in conditions where he has to kill and risk his life, of course, something turns in his head. After that, it is difficult to recover in a peaceful life. And if such “brothers” help, then why rebuild? There are separs, there is a rear mole. Everything is fine, he returned home, but you can not come from the war. But then it turns out that once the tasty pieces are over and we must already begin to share them among themselves. and war again. Then someone in the comments wrote about Mad Max. It turns out not a boring future. Something interesting happens every day. The only question is what future awaits such a country?
  21. +1
    2 June 2018 17: 14
    Yes! Fighters as a selection !!! There is no discipline !!!
  22. +1
    2 June 2018 18: 57
    Until death, all people are equal before God, and for this reason I think that - are you crazy or ex-former, just normal people. - does not matter. The main thing is whether you are good or evil, the Orthodox land - you defend Mother Russia or you trash ukrofashistsky who deprives children, women and old people of life. But there is also a third party - those who are indifferent to all this and the Lord will ask them strictly, because they passed by at a breakthrough moment ...
  23. 0
    2 June 2018 21: 07
    Last fall, the AFU chief psychiatrist, Colonel Oleg Druz, speaking at a round table in the Verkhovna Rada, voiced frightening data.
    An hour, he did not change the name from Alexander to Oleg?
  24. 0
    2 June 2018 21: 28
    Regarding the "motivation", everything is correct. If the "Svidomo lads" are torn "gravel at the river" to grab, it is unlikely that any of the militias also dreams of plots somewhere in the Carpathian region. As for the "relaxation" - also nothing out of the ordinary: my peers still managed to find the last years of Afghanistan. So what? The kid didn’t drink to the army and didn’t even smoke (in the sense - tobacco), but returned - and he learned to stifle vodka with glasses, and the pigtail did not mind smoking. Well, as for the Russians (volunteers) - so my friend there constantly “stayed” for months, and when there were active actions, and when there were just exacerbations. He himself is a former cop who went to lawyers. Not because of money, but because of conflicts with superiors. And now - a free bird: it advocates, and then - leave at its own expense and from the Volga region to the Donbass. Obviously not for the money, he is just losing it. Moreover - not for plots. Apparently, for the sensations. Well, for the idea, too. And I did not observe moral degradation in him. Easily returns to law practice. So we are all different, we will not scratch everyone with one comb
  25. 0
    2 June 2018 21: 39
    Something "... the AFU chief psychiatrist, Colonel Oleg Druz" against whom "... by order of the Minister of War ... criminal proceedings were instituted ... and he himself was removed from his post and dismissed from the army ..." in this very army. Did you want to get a general? I understand when Alexander Druz (it seems, Alexander Abramovich) “lingers” in the club “What? Where? When?”. But linger in the APU to Friends when all Friends have long been in the "Promised Land." Late, guy, late ... As they say, "snotty kiss on time"
  26. 0
    3 June 2018 09: 31
    To each his own.
  27. 0
    4 June 2018 07: 22
    Quote: tlSver4-KL (tat)
    "it's time ... to throw trunks and go away .."

    -Good offer. But remember February 20-21, 2014, Kiev.
    Who signed the document on peace and understanding?
    I will answer: Germany, Poland, France. On their behalf, the Ministers of Foreign Affairs (MFA) of Europe. But have they forgotten their goal in the heated conflict? after all, they were kindling him! and who wants to, who will allow them to fold their trunks and go home?
    And for the Great Puddle, 760 billion bucks were allocated just like that?
  28. 0
    4 June 2018 13: 09
    What kind of clowns they are, these punishers.