HQ-9 instead of C-300? It remains only to agree

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Syria, constantly subjected to rocket attacks from Israel, allegedly striking at Iranian military bases, as well as against the threat of bombardment by the US coalition, needs to strengthen air defense, writes Military Watch

Against the background of Russia's silence over the supply of the C-300 anti-aircraft complex, Syria has at least three more sources capable of providing Damascus with longer-range anti-aircraft missiles capable of shooting down both airplanes and missiles. These are China, North Korea and Iran.



HQ-9 instead of C-300? It remains only to agree

Chinese HQ-9B


The Chinese anti-aircraft missile system HQ-9B is considered one of the most combat-capable in the world. Surpasses C-300, but does not reach the level of C-400. HQ-9 hits targets with two-stage rockets, the weight of the high-explosive fragmentation warhead of which is 180 kilograms. The maximum range of the HQ-9B is 300 kilometers. The acquisition of such systems will give Syria a more significant advantage than obtaining C-300PMU2, experts say. In addition, the HQ-9B is compatible with the D-Smash C-200 SAM systems.


North Korean ZRS KN-06


The KN-06 ISS is almost identical in characteristics to the C-300. At this time, Pyongyang is just beginning to deploy this system in the country, since it adopted it only in 2017 year. North Korea fears that the deployment of KN-06 in Syria will allow Israel and the United States to assess the capabilities of these anti-aircraft systems in order to better prepare for military aggression against North Korea.


Iranian complex Bavar 373


Iranian AAMS Bavar 373 is available from 2016 of the year. According to Iranian developers, Bavar 373 is an analogue of the Russian C-300 and even surpasses it. Compatible with Soviet complexes, such as C-200.
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  1. +15
    21 May 2018 19: 23
    The maximum range of the HQ-9B is 300 kilometers. The acquisition of such systems will give Syria a more significant advantage than obtaining the S-300PMU2, experts say.

    It is not at all a fact that these parameters will be confirmed during use. And I don’t think that China will deliver its air defense systems to its Syrians. Rather, Iran or S. Korea will do it. We will supply TORs, Buki, Vikings and Shells, testing already modernized complexes, such as Shell-SM or Viking air defense systems.
    1. +40
      21 May 2018 19: 26
      I strongly doubt that the Chinese counterpart is better than the S-300. He would then be taken like hot cakes. But for some reason they don’t take ... If she, as they say here, didn’t reach the S-400, the Chinese would not take the S-400 from us. And riveted their own massively. Because it does not hold out - it means almost the same thing, but a little worse.
      1. +11
        21 May 2018 19: 29
        Quote: Muvka
        I strongly doubt that the Chinese counterpart is better than C-300.

        The point is not that it is better, but the fact that the Syrians will have a relatively new long-range air defense system. We don’t want to quarrel with the Jews, therefore we don’t deliver C-300, but what about Israel, the same to Iran or S. Korea? Well, China can deliver its own air defense systems ... but this is less likely.
        1. +16
          21 May 2018 19: 46
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: Muvka
          I strongly doubt that the Chinese counterpart is better than C-300.

          The point is not that it is better, but the fact that the Syrians will have a relatively new long-range air defense system. We don’t want to quarrel with the Jews, therefore we don’t deliver C-300, but what about Israel, the same to Iran or S. Korea? Well, China can deliver its own air defense systems ... but this is less likely.

          China may if you pay the delivery. China is not a "generous soul."
          1. +13
            21 May 2018 19: 49
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            China may if you pay the delivery.

            With what fright will we pay it? Assad can give part of the territory under the base for China for 50 for years, and China may well put these Syrian air defense systems on such conditions.
            1. +9
              21 May 2018 19: 57
              Quote: NEXUS

              With what fright will we pay it? Assad can give part of the territory under the base for China for 50 for years, and China may well put these Syrian air defense systems on such conditions.

              Why is this for China? request
              1. +26
                21 May 2018 20: 14
                The article is, to put it mildly, complete nonsense, both in terms of characteristics and in terms of hypothetical suppliers., Especially in terms of comparison with the North Korean system. Even the patriot does not reach the S-300VM ... The author of the article probably compared the complex of 70-80 years.
                1. +7
                  21 May 2018 22: 40
                  Quote: maxim947
                  According to Iranian developers, the Bavar 373 is an analogue of the Russian C-300 and even surpasses it. Compatible with Soviet complexes, for example C-200.


                  The words of the author - "According to the statements of Iranian developers, Bavar 373 is an analogue of the Russian C-300 and even surpasses it. It is compatible with Soviet complexes, for example C-200." I'd like to ask - what kind of compatibility with C-200 is this? In what?
                  Absolutely different systems.
                  1. +7
                    21 May 2018 23: 11
                    Quote: Reserve officer
                    Bavar 373 is an analogue of the Russian S-300 and even surpasses it.

                    what This, is this Bavar literally the other day surpassed? Either from the sun, then I didn’t have time to pray ...
                    Quote: Reserve officer
                    It is compatible with Soviet systems, for example the S-200. "I'd like to ask - what kind of compatibility with the S-200? What?
                    Absolutely different systems.

                    This is different for us, but they have seen what guide (container) on the trailer? She will launch Poplar. wassat
                  2. +2
                    21 May 2018 23: 57
                    [quote = Stock Officer] [quote = maxim947] According to Iranian developers, the Bavar 373 is an analogue of the Russian S-300 and even surpasses it. Compatible with Soviet systems, such as S-200.
                    I'd like to ask - what kind of compatibility with the S-200? In what?
                    Absolutely different systems. [/ Quote]

                    Compatible with Soviet automated control systems. Apparently, the author has in mind, as well as the S-200. Again, apparently, because the range of the systems in question is supposedly more than 240 km. Why, at the same time, the rest of the Soviet systems that are in service with the Syrian air defense are not mentioned - on the conscience of the author. There is some kind of inert tongue, or lack of in-depth knowledge of the principles of building air defense.
                    There is, however, the option that an article is a translation from a translation, if only the money was paid.
                    1. 0
                      22 May 2018 09: 44
                      That's it. And why do we need these "according to" here ...
                    2. 0
                      9 June 2018 18: 38
                      Quote: Vlad.by
                      Apparently, the author means

                      that has something and will introduce ... You learn to answer for your words, and not for the words of the author, given that he did not tell you personally what he means ....
              2. +2
                21 May 2018 20: 19
                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                Quote: NEXUS

                With what fright will we pay it? Assad can give part of the territory under the base for China for 50 for years, and China may well put these Syrian air defense systems on such conditions.

                Why is this for China? request

                China knows better.
              3. +1
                21 May 2018 20: 27
                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                Quote: NEXUS

                With what fright will we pay it? Assad can give part of the territory under the base for China for 50 for years, and China may well put these Syrian air defense systems on such conditions.

                Why is this for China? request

                Yes, at least for the sake of money, and the advancement of weapons in new markets, again, not an unimportant factor is a test in combat conditions and the perfection of combat capabilities.
                1. 0
                  22 May 2018 00: 08
                  Well, don’t tell ... China needs good advertising, and in Syria there are great chances to get just the opposite. Who will exploit? Who will guard? How and by whom will it be managed? Compatibility with the same Senezh does not mean that the target form with ACS will not be distorted during transliteration to hieroglyphs. A very decent preliminary work is needed, and until it is over the complexes can be gouged from the air or DRG.
                  The Chinese military-industrial complex will be to blame. And do not wash off soon. Do the Chinese need it?
                  Here it would fit the Iranians to cover their expeditionary forces with their own Bavars, but for some reason they do not. Either they are afraid of highlighting opportunities ahead of time, or they are afraid of losses. Or maybe these complexes are so few that there is nothing to relocate to Syria.
              4. CYM
                +1
                21 May 2018 20: 42
                Well, after the "victory of democracy" in Syria, Iran is obviously next in line. And in Iran, China has very serious financial and economic interests. So IMHO can and put several HQ-9B for testing in combat conditions. winked
              5. 0
                26 May 2018 09: 32
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Why is this for China?

                And why is it the United States, Turkey, the Saudis, you finally? China already has troops in Syria, which means there is interest. It is strange that the representative of the "chosen people" asks such stupid questions.
          2. +3
            21 May 2018 19: 58
            China, unlike you, plays a long one.
          3. SSR
            0
            21 May 2018 23: 41
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            China may if you pay the delivery. China is not a "generous soul."

            A generous soul and rocket technology?
            In the words of the legendary designer Invincible - they can copy anything, holding a “block” the size of a brick, but they don’t copy the essence of it “never”, because without this block, everything else is empty, guess what, but we will go further.
            Yes, and it’s so prestigious to buy someone else’s air defense and fighter jets, if your own already has no taxes wassat
          4. +2
            22 May 2018 00: 55
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            China may if you pay the delivery. China is not a "generous soul."


            Is not a fact ! China may also appear political (!) "Specific Sabrzhenie"! China has so many reasons to quarrel with the United States ..... why is it "extra"? request
        2. 0
          21 May 2018 20: 29
          China needs to cover its facilities that it is unlikely that it will sell its latest air defense systems, even if the range there is not even 300 km. Is that the mattresses "salt2 for the islands in the South China Sea.
        3. +4
          22 May 2018 00: 46
          Quote: NEXUS
          here is the same Iran or S. Korea what is from Israel? Well, China can deliver its own air defense systems ... but this is less likely.

          The only "hope" for Iran ... For China and the DPRK will not want to quarrel with the United States! (The DPRK is currently ........ of the type "paused" with the United States ...) And about the Iranian "Bavar" ..... "To promise to marry does not mean to actually get married!" Of course, no one can forbid Iran to praise its air defense system, but .... what kind of "nature" is it?
          In any case, the Bavar 373 is a step forward compared to the C-200, especially .... they say that the missiles to the C-200 are running out! And what is the market like? Judging by recent reports, Iran is already deploying its own system in Syria! In this, Iran has such a "interest": it becomes possible to test your air defense system in practice, identify shortcomings (if any ...). eliminate them ....
          1. +2
            22 May 2018 00: 56
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            The only "hope" for Iran ..

            Don’t tell ... China can deliver its air defense systems if the United States begins to impudently and pour fire into the India-Pakistan-China conflict.
            In general, all this fuss is very beneficial for the USA. Moreover, the more states they get involved in it, the better. And here, the course that the USSR once made by placing its missiles in Cuba, in the very underbelly of the USA, can stop and cool the mattresses.
            As for the SAM ... then, if Assad accepts the help of Iran or China, then this decision will not hurt us.
            But if you look in the long run, the war with ISIS will not end near the borders of Syria. And therefore, I believe that Iran is vitally interested in strengthening the air borders on this side. Moreover, who said that their air defense systems will not be covered by our shells, tori and beeches?
            1. +3
              22 May 2018 01: 35
              Quote: NEXUS
              .China can deliver its air defense systems if the United States begins to impudently and pour fire into the India-Pakistan-China conflict.

              Maybe if the US "starts" ....! But this is still ...... "the grandmother said in two"! (Although, one can expect anything from an inadequate Trump ... But is he really so inadequate?)
              1. +3
                22 May 2018 02: 07
                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                But is it really so inadequate?

                He plays, and does not understand, or he just does not care that everything can end very badly.
                I will say more, he is a slave to the Fed and this system, so that he does not. And in fact, now we play Russian roulette.
      2. 0
        21 May 2018 20: 46
        Quote: Muvka
        I strongly doubt that the Chinese counterpart is better than the S-300. He would then be taken like hot cakes. But for some reason they don’t take ... If she, as they say here, didn’t reach the S-400, the Chinese would not take the S-400 from us. And riveted their own massively. Because it does not hold out - it means almost the same thing, but a little worse.

        They will buy the S-400, tear off according to tradition, and they will have HQ-10B!
        1. +1
          21 May 2018 21: 02
          And why rip off if they have their own little, i.e. slightly worse than the S-400? Doesn't it suggest any thoughts?
          1. +2
            21 May 2018 21: 03
            Quote: Muvka
            And why rip off if they have their own little, i.e. slightly worse than the S-400? Doesn't it suggest any thoughts?

            Best the enemy of the good! (with)
          2. +3
            22 May 2018 01: 38
            Quote: Muvka
            why rip off if they have their own little, i.e. a little worse

            Duc .... it's the Chinese !!! crying
      3. 0
        21 May 2018 20: 58
        and who will pay the Chinese? They "will not give back" on credit. And the Syrians do not have and will not have money in the coming years
        1. PN
          0
          21 May 2018 22: 17
          Well, the Syrians can pay with oil.
          1. +1
            21 May 2018 23: 42
            They have no oil. Small fields for export at oil tank trucks.
        2. +1
          22 May 2018 13: 25
          China can take oil or bases. For the Zionists (fascists) it would be better to oil.
      4. 0
        23 May 2018 16: 04
        Quote: Muvka
        I strongly doubt that the Chinese counterpart is better than C-300. He would then be taken like hot cakes. But for some reason they don’t take ...


        I completely agree. A little off topic but I will write. I had a Chinese motor which is claimed to be similar to the Japanese one. But having traveled to a Japanese pro, he completely realized that there was a huge difference between them. As materials, paintwork, reliability and efficiency, noise and power under identical conditions declared. Yes, a different price but it's worth it.
        So I think this applies to the air defense systems under consideration. Perhaps they are good, but obviously not better than the latest C-300 modifications.
    2. +6
      21 May 2018 19: 27
      you don’t have to worry about accuracy winked
      the weight of a high-explosive fragmentation warhead of which is 180 kilograms.
      1. +1
        21 May 2018 23: 01
        Has anyone held in their hands a Chinese copy of AK of any modification? If my memory serves me, TYPE 56 is called one of them. I’ll even ask a different question: did anyone shoot at least not to mention what to use? This is me about the superiority of Chinese tax systems over the C 300! Although Israel can be scared ...
        1. +5
          21 May 2018 23: 43
          I held and even shot her. And they shot me at her.
          Works...
  2. +3
    21 May 2018 19: 26
    again ballot box stuffing
    Well, what shishy Syrians are going to buy them
    1. 0
      21 May 2018 19: 38
      The site as it was, remained so! You just see what you want to see!
      1. +2
        21 May 2018 22: 18
        Quote: ANCIENT
        The site as it was, remained so! You just see what you want to see!

        Do you see what you do not want to see?
        Everyone sees what he wants to see and believes in what he wants to believe. Selawi, as the ancient Zulus said.
  3. +5
    21 May 2018 19: 29
    In general, you give anti-aircraft missiles! More and different laughing The experience of their application will be evaluated by the whole planet.
    1. +5
      21 May 2018 19: 32
      Quote: Doliva63
      give anti-aircraft missiles! More and different

      it is to the Indians.
      they have a big top laughing
    2. +7
      21 May 2018 19: 49
      Quote: Doliva63
      ... give anti-aircraft missiles! More and different laughing.

      hi Top 10 anti-aircraft missile systems in the world of medium and long range.
      chu-sam,
      series
      Barak 8
      HQ-9
      Patriot
      SAMP / T
      S-300PMU-2
      meads
      S-300V4
      series soldier

      Nov 2016 year
      1. +2
        21 May 2018 21: 27
        Quote: san4es
        series
        good hi
        BUK M3 angry Yes
        1. +3
          21 May 2018 22: 47
          Quote: XXXIII
          BUK M3

          ZRK Viking

          ZRK Ledum ..
          1. 0
            22 May 2018 00: 17
            Ledum then what side to medium-sized air defense systems, not to mention the long range? Here is the place Buk M3, and the S-350 is not justified. Although the S-350 is still difficult to compare, the Buk M3 is even more difficult.
            One speculation and some tabular characteristics, either from Krishna, or from the Buddha, which everyone knows.
            1. +1
              22 May 2018 00: 24
              Quote: Vlad.by
              Ledum then what side to medium-sized air defense systems, not to mention the long range?

              Did I say that Ledum is medium-range? He, I believe, is just for small drones. At what, there is a suspicion that he is replacing Arrows-10.
              1. +1
                22 May 2018 08: 07
                So I do not understand you. Above is the medium-range air defense rating of which you, quite rightly, “entered” the Viking, in other words Buk M3. And then, for some reason, they also added an export variation of Pine.
  4. +4
    21 May 2018 19: 34
    Since Korean is more likely not suitable, they themselves have only just begun the construction of an air defense system. There are more likely problems with Iran. But there are no Chinese problems, there are problems with the political governance of the country, whether the CCP wants to aggravate relations with the Americans and the answer itself begs, \ rather no.
    So Syria has no more options
    1. 0
      22 May 2018 13: 30
      Well, it all depends on the owners of the Fed. They will be “silk” and they’ll lick the CCP, then the PRC HQ-9 will not put anyone. They will begin to become impudent, the PRC will fill up half the world with these air defense systems.
      1. 0
        22 May 2018 17: 54
        Quote: zoolu350
        Well, it all depends on the owners of the Fed

        Not everything is so simple. The USA has long been offering China to choose someone's side, accusing the Chinese of all the sins of the economy. But China is still silent, and it is already quite obvious that a blow to Iran implies secondary goals, for example, because the main buyer of Iran’s oil is China. Attempts to put pressure on some African countries in order to squeeze out the Chinese also speaks volumes.
        The question is, where is China's red line, beyond which the Chinese will not look around at the United States?
  5. +3
    21 May 2018 19: 35
    Quote: Spikes Javelin Touvich
    again ballot box stuffing
    Well, what shishy Syrians are going to buy them
    do not judge strictly, but the site turns roofing felts into garbage cans into a cesspool

    And they will provide territory for Chinese military bases, provide them with all the preferences for economic activity in Syria, then they will ask Russia “with things to exit” from Tartus and Khmeimim, and they will “make Russia with a pen” - they’re such an “ally” to them that lobbies with their enemy! sad
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    2. LMN
      +5
      21 May 2018 22: 31
      Quote: Radikal
      Quote: Spikes Javelin Touvich
      again ballot box stuffing
      Well, what shishy Syrians are going to buy them
      do not judge strictly, but the site turns roofing felts into garbage cans into a cesspool

      And they will provide territory for Chinese military bases, provide them with all the preferences for economic activity in Syria, then they will ask Russia “with things to exit” from Tartus and Khmeimim, and they will “make Russia with a pen” - they’re such an “ally” to them that lobbies with their enemy! sad

      They won’t do that. China will not fight in Syria, even if they give them bases No.
      As soon as the Russian Federation leaves Syria, a big war will begin there, in which Syria will have no chance, even if at least someone puts them on the air defense system.
      Russia is now a deterrent in the BV. And all the parties to the conflict Israel, Iran, Turkey, Syria understand this.
      1. 0
        22 May 2018 13: 33
        The CCP is not an oligarchy of the Russian Federation; its interests are stable. It will provide the SAR with a base under the PLA of the People's Republic of China, the Chinese will even out the owners of the Fed and the undersultan of Turkey and the Zionists (fascists) of Israel and all their bearded children in bulk.
  6. +1
    21 May 2018 19: 37
    And how many Chinese really shot down air targets with their system? ?? belay What is its effectiveness if it has not been applied practically anywhere? ?? Or most importantly, praise ourselves? ??
    1. +7
      21 May 2018 19: 43
      Quote: ANCIENT
      And how many Chinese really shot down air targets with their system?

      hi ... Two (on video) smile
      1. 0
        22 May 2018 00: 26
        Pictures are beautiful,
        And what do they have gas rudders for turning the rocket towards the target after exiting the controller?
        The reaction time for low-altitude targets is definitely longer than the 300 matches.
    2. +2
      21 May 2018 19: 45
      Quote: ANCIENT
      What is its effectiveness if it has not been applied practically anywhere?

      Do you think that only Russia can test its new weapons in Syria? This war in Syria is a big sandbox, but simply a training ground for everyone. And China, S. Korea or Iran are no exception.
    3. 0
      21 May 2018 23: 49
      "And how many Chinese really brought down their air targets with their system - zero? ??" "////

      As much as the S-300 - zero (Unlike the S-200, which our F-16 failed). Here Patriot, incidentally, shot down several planes. More recently, the Syrian Su-24, which accidentally flew into Israeli territory. And several BR: Skadov and others. Although BR is difficult for him to shoot down. And the planes are calm.
      1. LMN
        +5
        22 May 2018 00: 20
        Quote: voyaka uh
        "And how many Chinese really brought down their air targets with their system - zero? ??" "////

        As much as the S-300 - zero (Unlike the S-200, which our F-16 failed). Here Patriot, incidentally, shot down several planes. More recently, the Syrian Su-24, which accidentally flew into Israeli territory. And several BR: Skadov and others. Although BR is difficult for him to shoot down. And the planes are calm.

        There is a desire to test the effectiveness of the S-300, S-400? what Judging by the "boar trail", Tel Aviv - Moscow, not everything is so obvious in terms of security with Israel.
        Is it convenient to talk about the inefficiency of weapons that will not be directed against you? lol
        1. 0
          22 May 2018 09: 33
          S-300 worries Israel with its range.
          They can shoot down passengers from positions near Damascus
          liners over Tel Aviv.
          In terms of countering bombing, defending objects
          S-300 is not more effective than S-200 and others. There is one hundred and one way
          deceive passive missile defense.
          1. +3
            23 May 2018 01: 22
            voyaka uh! As always, you write nonsense, a couch Israeli strategist ... You are tormented by crushing the S-300 with obstacles, and, together with the Shells, Bukahs, etc., your Air Force (Israel) will face big losses of aircraft, including the F-35 ... S-300s see your "invisibility" well and a small image intensifier will not help!
  7. +2
    21 May 2018 19: 38
    Quote: ANCIENT
    And how many Chinese really shot down air targets with their system? ?? belay What is its effectiveness if it has not been applied practically anywhere? ?? Or most importantly, praise ourselves? ??

    There they will test ... winked
  8. +3
    21 May 2018 19: 39
    Quote: Radikal
    Quote: Spikes Javelin Touvich
    again ballot box stuffing
    Well, what shishy Syrians are going to buy them
    do not judge strictly, but the site turns roofing felts into garbage cans into a cesspool

    And they will provide territory for Chinese military bases, provide them with all the preferences for economic activity in Syria, then they will ask Russia “with things to exit” from Tartus and Khmeimim, and they will “make Russia with a pen” - they’re such an “ally” to them that lobbies with their enemy! sad

    And most importantly - they will be right! winked
  9. 0
    21 May 2018 19: 43
    But the Chinese, Iranians and Koreans will lend their complexes or on loan for a modest fee? I'm interested, because this thing is not cheap, but where does Assad get the currency for this?
    1. +1
      21 May 2018 20: 02
      The Iranians will definitely want, without any modest and modest pay, they have accumulated a lot of debts to the Jews, it is time to start returning wink
      1. 0
        21 May 2018 20: 11
        Possible option. This will mean that the Iranians will bring their batteries (... produced since 2016) with their calculations. If they can covertly deliver and have time to debug the equipment, this will be a definite surprise for the enemy. But as soon as the radars of the complex "fit in" into the Syrian sky, then they will begin a real hunt in full growth.
    2. 0
      21 May 2018 22: 46
      But the Chinese, Iranians and Koreans will lend their complexes or on loan for a modest fee?

      Lend-Lease. winked
  10. 0
    21 May 2018 20: 02
    And what problems? It remains only to find a sponsor who is willing to pay. China will not.
  11. +3
    21 May 2018 20: 06
    Chinese copy of the S-300 - why does someone think it is better than the S-300? What nonsense? Does Chinese mean excellent?
  12. 0
    21 May 2018 20: 09
    It makes no difference which air defense systems will be delivered to Syria. The problem is in training complex calculations. It will take time and considerable. So during the year, any complex without trained personnel, this is the legitimate aim of aviation and missiles that pin dos, that Jews. And why did everyone decide that education is not going on in Russia? They will teach, but for now.
    1. 0
      22 May 2018 00: 29
      On the S-300, the Syrians have been teaching how to calculate for 5-6 years. Open secret...
      1. 0
        22 May 2018 08: 12
        I do not know about such information. To teach people and spend money on a system that you do not have is somehow silly.
  13. +1
    21 May 2018 20: 14
    Iranian air defense system Bavar 373 in production since 2016. According to Iranian developers, the Bavar 373 is an analogue of the Russian S-300 and even surpasses it.
    It is strange that the Iranian Bavar 373 is superior to the S-300, a week ago the Bavar 373 was destroyed .... even could not protect itself.
    1. +3
      21 May 2018 20: 23
      Well, by the way. Like the Shell. Waiting for excuses
      1. +3
        21 May 2018 20: 56
        damaged - from the word harm - harmed the truck
      2. +1
        23 May 2018 01: 30
        Mayr! As always, the stupid nonsense of an illiterate couch Israeli strategist ... Watch carefully the video of your military - “Shell-C1” was turned off by the Syrians, otherwise your drone would have come to an end, it flew in a straight line! And not tired of lying ?!
    2. +2
      21 May 2018 21: 36
      read the yellow press less and don't get carried away by mushrooms wink
    3. +3
      21 May 2018 21: 39
      about mushrooms and about the allegedly destroyed 373 this is for you, the Iranian Bavar 373 air defense system has been produced since 2016, after this you can no longer read further, in September 2017 the first tests just passed, and he’s already armed with 16 ... ha ha Ha lol
  14. 0
    21 May 2018 20: 15
    Quote: Deadush
    Quote: Doliva63
    give anti-aircraft missiles! More and different

    it is to the Indians.
    they have a big top laughing

    To the Indians.
    Hindus are people professing Hinduism.
  15. +1
    21 May 2018 20: 23
    Quote: Muvka
    I strongly doubt that the Chinese counterpart is better than the S-300. He would then be taken like hot cakes. But for some reason they don’t take ... If she, as they say here, didn’t reach the S-400, the Chinese would not take the S-400 from us. And riveted their own massively. Because it does not hold out - it means almost the same thing, but a little worse.

    Yes, of course, PR is being bred. Ours have already been verified, but they still do not know, everything is a secret. And in secret, they can fly, as they say, above and beyond ours. But who checked them?
  16. 0
    21 May 2018 20: 32
    Other things being equal, Syria is a poor country ...
  17. +2
    21 May 2018 20: 41
    The Chinese anti-aircraft missile system HQ-9B is considered one of the most combat-ready in the world. Surpasses the S-300, but does not reach the level of S-400.

    Yes, maybe HQ-9B is at the level of C 300PMU 2, but not higher))), C 400 would not have been purchased, the supplies of Iranian and, especially, North Korean complexes were in doubt, Iran has not yet saturated its Bavar 373 troops, and Korea will not quarrel with the States on the eve of negotiations, and even after them)
  18. 0
    21 May 2018 20: 43
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Other things being equal, Syria is a poor country ...

    But China is rich ... lol
    1. 0
      21 May 2018 22: 26
      Then what is it? What is the competition? Give-take.
  19. +2
    21 May 2018 20: 46
    Complexes will appear when necessary and where necessary. This is a purely political issue. In the Syrian party, moves are made in strict sequence. And someone just rearranges the figures without thinking about the consequences. Someone should do their job under the guarantees of a strong player and leave in time. Someone should get involved in the most “I do not want” and subsequently fulfill the will of the winner.
    Sometimes a concession or inaction can actually turn out to be another player’s invitation to an action that will forever bury his victory prospects.
    1. LMN
      +3
      21 May 2018 22: 41
      Quote: Berkut24
      Complexes will appear when necessary and where necessary. This is a purely political issue. In the Syrian party, moves are made in strict sequence. And someone just rearranges the figures without thinking about the consequences. Someone should do their job under the guarantees of a strong player and leave in time. Someone should get involved in the most “I do not want” and subsequently fulfill the will of the winner.
      Sometimes a concession or inaction can actually turn out to be another player’s invitation to an action that will forever bury his victory prospects.

      I agree. hi
  20. 0
    21 May 2018 20: 50
    China has a weak complex, which is why they refused to buy the Turks ...
  21. +2
    21 May 2018 21: 08
    Syria has at least three more sources

    Well, not a bad idea! Let's compare the systems ... I'm sure Israel and the United States will be "delighted" with these supplies and trials! bully
    1. LMN
      +3
      21 May 2018 22: 42
      Quote: Ded-Makar
      Syria has at least three more sources

      Well, not a bad idea! Let's compare the systems ... I'm sure Israel and the United States will be "delighted" with these supplies and trials! bully

      Have you thought about the interests of the Russian Federation? request
  22. +1
    21 May 2018 21: 19
    ... These are China, North Korea and Iran.

    a bunch of outsider downshifters. China squirts if necessary, and from us only condemnation and concern. international politics is a completely spineless mess. a shame.
  23. 0
    21 May 2018 21: 53
    Unlike us, no one will sponsor Syria for free
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  25. +2
    21 May 2018 22: 33
    It’s not that it’s better, the Chinese system or the S-300.

    The fact is, our leaders will betray and deceive anyone, just shout at them, as was the case with Libya and Iran.
  26. 0
    21 May 2018 22: 36
    Iran will soon need its own complexes. Moreover, they explode from the heat)) Although in Iran there are 45. They’ll probably keep in the refrigerator.
  27. +2
    21 May 2018 22: 57
    just total fantasy. The fate of Syria has already been decided, it is obvious that Israel and the United States will sell
    1. LMN
      +3
      22 May 2018 00: 05
      Quote: Е2 - Е4
      just total fantasy. The fate of Syria has already been decided, it is obvious that Israel and the United States will sell

      Justify hi
    2. +1
      22 May 2018 00: 34
      Kakitan Obvious America ??
  28. +1
    21 May 2018 23: 12
    Is this the same bavar that was burning recently? on the DPRK account, the author of the comics clearly read. I do not think that China will want to do anti-advertising for its young product. Knowing the Arabs, Russia acted cleverly, they know that sooner or later they will demolish c300 (given the negligence of the Arabs), so they showed the Syrians a muzzle.
  29. 0
    21 May 2018 23: 16
    Quote: PN
    Well, the Syrians can pay with oil.


    The oil that is on the other side of the Euphrates? laughing I think the United States will be against :)
  30. 0
    21 May 2018 23: 57
    Quote: izja
    Is this the same bavar that was burning recently? on the DPRK account, the author of the comics clearly read. I do not think that China will want to do anti-advertising for its young product. Knowing the Arabs, Russia acted cleverly, they know that sooner or later they will demolish c300 (given the negligence of the Arabs), so they showed the Syrians a muzzle.

    Just do not consider yourself invincible ...! sad In the middle of the 20th century, one figure in Europe also imagined himself .... How it ended - remember? wassat soldier
  31. 0
    22 May 2018 00: 01
    Quote: LMN
    Quote: Radikal
    Quote: Spikes Javelin Touvich
    again ballot box stuffing
    Well, what shishy Syrians are going to buy them
    do not judge strictly, but the site turns roofing felts into garbage cans into a cesspool

    And they will provide territory for Chinese military bases, provide them with all the preferences for economic activity in Syria, then they will ask Russia “with things to exit” from Tartus and Khmeimim, and they will “make Russia with a pen” - they’re such an “ally” to them that lobbies with their enemy! sad

    They won’t do that. China will not fight in Syria, even if they give them bases No.
    As soon as the Russian Federation leaves Syria, a big war will begin there, in which Syria will have no chance, even if at least someone puts them on the air defense system.
    Russia is now a deterrent in the BV. And all the parties to the conflict Israel, Iran, Turkey, Syria understand this.

    The blind man said, “let’s see”! Never say never"! hi
  32. +1
    22 May 2018 01: 20
    Quote: NEXUS
    The maximum range of the HQ-9B is 300 kilometers. The acquisition of such systems will give Syria a more significant advantage than obtaining the S-300PMU2, experts say.

    It is not at all a fact that these parameters will be confirmed during use. And I don’t think that China will deliver its air defense systems to its Syrians. Rather, Iran or S. Korea will do it. We will supply TORs, Buki, Vikings and Shells, testing already modernized complexes, such as Shell-SM or Viking air defense systems.

    I do not want to believe that someone based on our complex has made more long-range? It is not a fact that our performance characteristics will be confirmed during use. China can deliver its complexes to the Syrians directly, and maybe through Iran itself. Moreover, they have something to put. In stock. And not like our Viking, which you always remember, only in the testing phase

    Quote: Muvka
    I strongly doubt that the Chinese counterpart is better than the S-300. He would then be taken like hot cakes. But for some reason they don’t take ... If she, as they say here, didn’t reach the S-400, the Chinese would not take the S-400 from us. And riveted their own massively. Because it does not hold out - it means almost the same thing, but a little worse.

    At present, the S-400 in its range of missiles is no different from the S-300. Unless she has 48N6E3, but the S-300 doesn’t. The difference is mainly in radar systems. And the Chinese one surpasses in many respects the same S-300PMU-1 and S-300PMU-2. Therefore, they take our S-400 to make their own complex on its basis. And by the way, take their modification HQ-9B. On the approach is now a modification of C and active GOS on a rocket (as in our S-400 complex). HQ-9B in 2013 won the competition in Turkey, beating both the American “Pariot” and our “three hundred”

    Quote: ANCIENT
    And how many Chinese really shot down air targets with their system?

    And how many real air targets did our S-300 or S-400 bring down? Or Iranian Bavar-373, or North Korean air defense system? The same zero. The only system we like it or not, tested in battle - Patriot

    Quote: Samara_63
    China has a weak complex, which is why they refused to buy the Turks ...

    Well, lying so frankly is not necessary. The Chinese complex won the tender, beating both the Americans and us. And after that, the Americans pressed on Turkey so that it would not take. As now they press on the same Turkey in relation to the S-400

    By the way, under the third photo there is an “incorrect” inscription. It is written Iranian complex Bavar 373
    but I had to write missile complex Bavar-373 in a transport container.. In reality, the launch of this complex has 2 containers of square cross-section mounted on a five-axle truck
    1. +1
      22 May 2018 02: 15
      Quote: Old26
      I do not want to believe that someone based on our complex has made more long-range? It is not a fact that our performance characteristics will be confirmed during use.

      It is not a matter of faith or disbelief. SAM is now unless the lazy is not developing. But we have more experience mattresses in this topic than anyone else. And therefore, I think that the performance characteristics of our systems will be confirmed, otherwise they would not be bought.
      Quote: Old26
      And not like our Viking, which you always remember, only in the testing phase

      You will be reminded of Uranus-9, SU-57, Platform, Terminator, which were also at the testing stage. Viking is an export Buk, and how not to take this opportunity to show the whole world what this air defense system is capable of, at the same time and test it in combat conditions. Moreover, Bagulnik is also convinced that if he is not already in Syria, he will soon appear there.
      Quote: Sergey Freeman
      it makes no difference who will install the system. The main thing is that they are effective and protect the Syrian sky

      Exactly so. Moreover, long-range air defense systems will be covered by our medium and short-range air defense systems. It should be understood that it is not a matter of which system will be delivered, for distant frontiers, but the fact that the Syrian air defense system will become de facto layered and more effective.
    2. 0
      23 May 2018 00: 19
      Quote: Old26
      HQ-9B in 2013 won the competition in Turkey, beating both the American “Pariot” and our “three hundred”




      Are you sure about the Patriot?. As far as I know, the USA has been refusing to supply the Patriots of Turkey for a long time.
  33. +3
    22 May 2018 02: 01
    it makes no difference who will install the system. The main thing is that they are effective and protect the Syrian sky. I see the problem not in the effectiveness of Russian weapons, but in the cowardice of Russian politicians. If Syria and Iran are not protected from aggression from the air, then we will soon say goodbye to the achievements in Syria and with our bases on Syrian soil. Nobody needs cowards in the long run, no matter what theorists, politicians, couch experts and circles close to the Kremlin say. Only the downed planes of the aggressor have a real effect and raise the authority of the country in the world. Look at Kim. He made it clear to everyone who and what will get, if that. This is real politics, not the Minsk snot in the Donbass, the bleating about the death of the Wagnerites and the incomprehensibility of who is bombing Syria.
  34. 0
    22 May 2018 02: 14
    Syria doesn’t have to ask, but seek and search for strike systems, Israel will receive several blows to its cities, you look and the world will ask
  35. 0
    22 May 2018 02: 36
    Quote: Sergey Freeman
    it makes no difference who will install the system. The main thing is that they are effective and protect the Syrian sky. I see the problem not in the effectiveness of Russian weapons, but in the cowardice of Russian politicians. If Syria and Iran are not protected from aggression from the air, then we will soon say goodbye to the achievements in Syria and with our bases on Syrian soil. Nobody needs cowards in the long run, no matter what theorists, politicians, couch experts and circles close to the Kremlin say. Only the downed planes of the aggressor have a real effect and raise the authority of the country in the world. Look at Kim. He made it clear to everyone who and what will get, if that. This is real politics, not the Minsk snot in the Donbass, the bleating about the death of the Wagnerites and the incomprehensibility of who is bombing Syria.

    Yes good hi
  36. 0
    22 May 2018 04: 21
    Quote: Reserve officer
    I'd like to ask - what kind of compatibility with the S-200? In what?

    Compatibility at the level of use of the same staff. Those. in both systems, soldiers of approximately the same technical level of education are used.
  37. 0
    22 May 2018 05: 26
    Bullshit, IMHO. Russia is not fighting in Syria in order to simply give up this business.
  38. 0
    22 May 2018 09: 59
    Quote: NEXUS
    It is not a matter of faith or disbelief. SAM is now unless the lazy is not developing. But we have more experience mattresses in this topic than anyone else. And therefore, I think that the performance characteristics of our systems will be confirmed, otherwise they would not be bought.

    Well, you said too much. SAM does not develop so many countries in the world. it’s hard to say how much more experience we have with the Americans. At least the Chinese began to produce their first complex, created on the basis of our SA-75, a very long time ago, since 1967. Their range of air defense systems is simply huge. Therefore, do not neglect the missile developments of China. in particular, to the development of missiles ..
    And why do you think, Andrey, that our TTX air defense systems will be confirmed, but there are no Chinese? there is some reasonable opinion on this subject, and not just your IMHO.
    Nevertheless, they buy complexes, although they have never participated in hostilities. Like the Chinese, also not participating

    Quote: NEXUS
    Viking is an Export Beech

    Do not smack bullshit, Andrei. The fact that Wikipedia wrote it is far from a fact. A Viking is an air defense system (what used to be called a country’s air defense or air defense forces, but now the air force-air defense complex. "Buk-M3 is a ground defense air defense system. The first is on a wheeled chassis, the second (Buk-M3) on a tracked one. Give at least a couple of examples so that the export version is so different from the base one. You were misled by the fact that the development was started at about the same time and the main thing that misled you is that both systems have 12 missiles The only difference is that on the Buka M3 missiles are of the 9M317M type, and on the Vityaz they are 9M96 / 96M or possibly 9M100.
  39. +1
    22 May 2018 13: 18
    There will be no S-300 in Syria. the manager forbade hired managers called the leadership of Russia to do this.
  40. 0
    22 May 2018 15: 21
    The Kremlin and Assad are much easier if the next Chinese or Iranian complex is the next shamefully destroyed. So the myth of the effectiveness of the never-at-war C300 and C400 in the eyes of Russian gaskets between the sofa and the TV will still be relevant.
  41. 0
    22 May 2018 17: 00
    What kind of compatibility and analogy can we talk about if the "stuffing" of calculators (algorithms) are not sold and are a specially guarded state secret? Export options .. Well, maybe. But even there, most likely the chips are copy protected.
  42. 0
    23 May 2018 07: 49
    Quote: Town Hall
    Quote: Old26
    HQ-9B in 2013 won the competition in Turkey, beating both the American “Pariot” and our “three hundred”


    Are you sure about the Patriot?. As far as I know, the USA has been refusing to supply the Patriots of Turkey for a long time.

    So you asked me a question, and I doubted. 90 percent - that he participated in the competition on a par with the 300th and the Patriot, but you need to dig into the materials, check
  43. 0
    23 May 2018 15: 53
    So go ahead! Foyer!
  44. 0
    24 May 2018 10: 03
    Quote: Old26
    Quote: Town Hall
    Quote: Old26
    HQ-9B in 2013 won the competition in Turkey, beating both the American “Pariot” and our “three hundred”


    Are you sure about the Patriot?. As far as I know, the USA has been refusing to supply the Patriots of Turkey for a long time.

    So you asked me a question, and I doubted. 90 percent - that he participated in the competition on a par with the 300th and the Patriot, but you need to dig into the materials, check

    I answer the question that you asked me, Comrade Town Hall. 4 complexes participated in the competition. Ours, American Patriot (unfortunately I can’t say anything about modifying it), European Aster and Chinese FD-2000 (this is an export version of HQ-9)
  45. 0
    26 May 2018 15: 13
    Why did everyone stick to the S-300 .. Nobody said anything to Izgail about Buki, but they are in Syria and still will be, they certainly do not have that range, but then things are better with the radar, they have their own launcher, and the S-300 doesn’t, these are different systems, of course, but the Bukee would have been more effective, although they could not drive the Israeli air force over their own territory. Beeches, Torahs, Armor is quite enough. The main thing is to start using them, and not to frown at the fact of raids. And about the more efficient Chinese systems than the S-300 .. well, yes, yes. Launchers can be old, and missiles can be new, quite imagined. In general, this is not the case. The point is the fact of the presence of strikes on the territory of Syria by the forces of the fascist "Western coalition". As soon as the cities of the USA and Europe undergo carpet bombing with phosphorus munitions, they will vividly remember Racca, Mosul, Iraq, Yugoslavia and Libya. This must be tested on oneself in order to understand how unpleasant and undemocratic, intolerant, and even not homosexual it is! After popping with a vacuum bomb, for example in London, I’m sure that many will understand. But alas, this will not happen. Because all of us, (in their opinion) except the Anglo-Saxon fascists are Untermans, people of the second and third grades. fascists do not even consider Arabs. It is very necessary to convince them of this. Refresh Londoners' memory. And the proud, exceptional Americans even have nothing to remember - they have never been bombed, carpeted. They do not understand the difference when you look at it from a bomber, and when you look at the bomber from below. Nothing, the era of justice has already come.