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When will Russian modernized tanks "teach" to shoot down missiles?

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Currently, active protection complexes (KAZ) are being created in Russia for promising machines of the Armata, Kurganets-25 and Boomerang families. However, such systems are necessary for existing T-72B3, T-80BVM, as well as T-90М, writes Messenger of Mordovia.


When will Russian modernized tanks "teach" to shoot down missiles?


As the author of the article, Lev Romanov, notes that the developed KAZ have a high cost and it is not known how long they will "really bring what they say to mind." Therefore, in his opinion, for those in service tanks it was more expedient to refine the improved version of KAZ Arena-E.



“This product has been repeatedly demonstrated at exhibitions. If earlier tankers were confused by the “barrel” of the central unit with radar, now the dimensions of the antenna devices have been significantly reduced. They are several separate, better protected modules that provide a virtually all-round view, ”the article says.



The author notes that the launchers of damaging elements of the Arena "are grouped into containers and create double protection from one direction, and the use of a more modern elemental base reduced the size, weight, and significantly increased the reliability and speed of KAZ equipment."

As previously reported by the developers, the modernized Arena was able to intercept not only anti-tank missiles or RPGs, but also cumulative tank-gun munitions.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 18 May 2018 15: 40
    +4
    As soon as they learn to fly, they will begin to shoot down. An article from a grove who is stronger than a whale or an elephant ... Zero specificity. What rockets are we planning to shoot? With which management, guidance, what class?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 18 May 2018 15: 41
      +11
      Everything that will fly to the Tank ... for this KAZ is done.
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 18 May 2018 15: 47
        +3
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        What rockets are we planning to shoot? With which management, guidance, what class?

        Quote: Zaurbek
        Everything that will fly to the Tank ... for this KAZ is done.

        So sure, Zaur soldier This is not EW with the influence on the target (object) systems, but the PHYSICAL destruction of the target.
      2. Topotun
        Topotun 18 May 2018 15: 55
        +3
        Protecting one tank is not a problem. But when it comes to several thousand ..... If we were as states on a printing press, and even then I doubt it. Expensive. It’s clear that building a tank is not cheap. But in a big war, when everything goes into battle, KAZ elements will not be enough for a long time. And make up .... For the Americans with their printing press, KAZ is not used at all.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 18 May 2018 15: 57
          0
          We can print rubles ... KAZ is done for rubles and KAZ is not needed in large quantities (only for parts of constant readiness).
          1. Topotun
            Topotun 18 May 2018 16: 00
            +4
            It is made on equipment purchased abroad, many materials and radio components are imported. In 1989, I drove our equipment to the show, there I saw the first samples of KAZ, it seemed then they showed KAZ Drozd, now I don’t remember exactly. not my profile. But even then we asked why not on all tanks. We were told that we would remain without pants. The cost of protection is more than half the cost of the tank. Most likely it’s cheaper now, but ....
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 18 May 2018 16: 05
              +3
              But at the moment we are no longer making cheap tanks - the last T-72s and T-90s ... and ATGMs have gone to the masses (before, there weren’t any such numbers available to irregular units). Accordingly, people need machines to protect or the losses will be huge. And machines are bought not only under KAZ, there is a lot to do on them.
              1. Topotun
                Topotun 18 May 2018 16: 18
                +4
                So it is, but before the enterprises were state-owned and the state decided what to build. Now these are private hands. What do you think if the price requested by the Moscow Region does not satisfy the manufacturer - will it build complexes?
        2. Mih1974
          Mih1974 18 May 2018 16: 00
          +7
          "and that the soldiers are dying - so the women still give birth, but the horses - I’m sorry, the days are worth the money" (c) am negative
          Do you yourself want to accidentally burn in the front row in a tank without a KAZ?
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 18 May 2018 16: 07
            0
            do not give birth and a taxi driver for a modern tank needs to be taught ... a tank can be taken from a warehouse, and there will be no one to ride it.
        3. sivuch
          sivuch 18 May 2018 18: 09
          0
          Are you sure you are not using it?
          Here, he writes that 4 brigades will soon receive the Trophy. And in their case, soon means that it is soon, i.e. some years
          American supremacy: “Abrams” no longer knock out “Cornets”
          18.05.2018/1101/12 Bulletin of Mordovia XNUMX XNUMX
          A prototype of the American tank M1A2 SEPv2 Abrams equipped with the Israeli Rafael Trophy active defense complex.
          Source: US Army
          The US Army quickly and massively installs active defense complexes on its armored vehicles. As a well-known military expert Andrei Tarasenko reports on his blog, 4 US rapid reaction teams will begin receiving modernized Abrams and BMD Bradley tanks in the shortest possible time. If in 2018 we are talking about one such connection, then in the next - about three at once.
        4. nikoliski
          nikoliski 18 May 2018 19: 29
          -1
          It's not even about money, but about the ability of the military-industrial complex to quickly produce a lot of KAZ (they will rivet 50 pieces a year and that's it)
        5. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 19 May 2018 16: 21
          0
          Quote: Topotun
          And make up .... For the Americans with their printing press, KAZ is not used at all.

          Jews found money for themselves. Americans, by the way, too. They rolled in KAZ and the first sets had already left for Europe to equip the Abrams and Bradley. So far, a little, something about two hundred sets (if sclerosis does not fail). But if you sit and nod to your neighbor .... he will soon have a Mercedes, and we will still have a big-eared Cossack (I hope you will interpret the analogy correctly, and not in the style of some personalities)
      3. Romka47
        Romka47 18 May 2018 16: 24
        +2
        230th Mizhit fly into a tank, stop? Betab?
        1. MPN
          MPN 18 May 2018 19: 44
          +7
          Quote: Romka47
          230th Mizhit fly into a tank, stop? Betab?

          Well, why so ..., you still have to get this ... Just a sub-caliber "crowbar" ... he got a hit on the drum ...
    2. svp67
      svp67 18 May 2018 15: 58
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      As soon as they learn to fly, they will begin to shoot down.

      The fact is, with modern monetary policy in the field of armaments, the answer to the question:
      When will Russian modernized tanks "teach" to shoot down missiles?
      as old as Russia itself .: "AFTER THE RAIN, ON THURSDAY"
      1. Genry
        Genry 18 May 2018 16: 52
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        When will Russian modernized tanks "teach" to shoot down missiles?
        as old as Russia itself .: "AFTER THE RAIN, ON THURSDAY"

        Yes .. yes .. daaaa ... Again, they "blew all the polymers", version one hundred and five hundred ...
      2. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 19 May 2018 16: 24
        0
        Quote: svp67
        AFTER THE RAIN ON THURSDAY

        and "Rain" was already, and Thursdays are unmeasured .... Apparently, cancer should be invited. With a whistle ....
    3. venik
      venik 18 May 2018 20: 10
      +4
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      The specifics are zero. What rockets are we planning to shoot? With which management, guidance, what class?

      ==========
      And WHAT, in fact, UNEXPECTED ???
      Well, especially for the Dull: The system is designed to defeat the flying cumulative ammunition (RPG shots, and ATGMs). It operates on the principle of shooting miniature missiles (with fragmentation warheads), or “buckshots” (tungsten balls) that destroy the warhead “in the distance”) ..... At the “current” moment, existing KAZs like the Russian Arena and Israeli Trophy ", it’s most effective in combating CUMULATIVE ammunition. Information slipped through that the KAZ "Afganit" installed on the "Armata" can quite effectively hit even sub-caliber armor-piercing shells (including with "uranium" cores (!)).
      The problem of ALL existing systems is that they can quite effectively deal with PSUs flying in horizontal plane. To repel "diving" ammunition, it is necessary to install "mortars" or "launch glasses" oriented in the upper hemisphere, which significantly increases the dimensions (including and vertical) of the tower and the tank itself .... Although on the "Armata" - it seems and it is provided .....
      Now, about WHEN we "learn to do" - ALREADY have learned, and quite LAST !!! The first KAZ passed tests for a long time - back in Afghanistan!!! The results were very encouraging! Since then - the system much improved! Arena-E (export version) is actively offered for export! That's just not wanting to buy yet (as well as the Israeli "Trophy" !!). The reason is simple - the "little thing" is too expensive - almost "half a tank" at a cost !!!
      Now it is clear?? Or something else to "chew" need ????
    4. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 19 May 2018 16: 31
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      What rockets are we planning to shoot? With which management, guidance, what class?

      everything subsonic that flies into the tank and whose flight paths intersect with the armored car. Regardless of the country of manufacture, guidance system, skin color of the operator and his religion. And so on. For KAZ, the threatening ammunition is nothing more than a brick flying into the tank, and it just needs to be knocked down or rejected from the trajectory. the rest is basically deep purple - at least the 1st generation ATGM, at least the 3rd ... at least the RPG-7 grenade ... if the trajectory allows
      I don’t get into modern KAZs that can “catch” BOPS, but the principle of operation is about the same
  2. kapitan92
    kapitan92 18 May 2018 15: 41
    +9
    This theme of equipping KAZ tanks: "Drozd", "Arena e", "Afganit", is already tired. Well do something! How much you can exaggerate this topic. The system is expensive ??? And the life of the crew ?!
  3. spirit
    spirit 18 May 2018 15: 43
    +3
    The question is why aren’t Arena standing on any tank in Syria? Aren't they testing? Afraid that the Syrians will abandon the tank and run away leaving the car bearded? Or unsure of its effectiveness?
    1. Antidote
      Antidote 19 May 2018 00: 06
      +1
      Syria has its own! birdhouses, already the second version, even on pickups. They haven’t been sawing wunderwafles for decades.
  4. evil partisan
    evil partisan 18 May 2018 15: 44
    +5
    That's what I don’t understand. For the first time I heard about KAZ in 1984 during the passage of military field camps near Sverdlovsk. we took a picture against the background of a tank (did not understand them ...). And the tank turned out to be the T-80. We were caught up by specially trained people in this case, came running, took away the cameras (returned after the training camp) and lit up the film. And then we gave an oral lecture about tanks in general. and specifically about the T-80, and about the "onboard ballistic computer" (if I remember correctly ...) - that is. KAZ. Question: if already in 1984 they were (KAZ), then why are there still no mass troops in the troops? Thirty poorly passed 34 (!!) years ... what
    1. arutun
      arutun 18 May 2018 15: 51
      +3
      about "onboard ballistic computer

      This is not KAZ. This is different. As I think it’s all about the cost, they stupidly do not want to spend money.
      But in fact, they should have been actively tested in Syria, there was a real training ground. But there I did not notice them. The Birdhouse on Syrian tanks is not the Arena.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 18 May 2018 15: 52
      +2
      I see in Baku in 89, the troops entered the code ... T-55 with KAZ. And there’s not even a video for it.
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 18 May 2018 17: 08
      +2
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      "onboard ballistic computer" (if I remember correctly ...) - i.e. KAZ.

      Well, why confuse the "plug with the bottle"? There is a KAZ, and there is a ballistic computer for the fire control system of a tank gun ...
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 18 May 2018 20: 07
        +3
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        There is a KAZ, and there is a ballistic computer for the fire control system of a tank gun ...

        The fact of the matter is that we were told that this calculator is connected with a grenade launcher that shoots grenades towards an ATGM. I give a tooth soldier I heard that back in 1984!
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 19 May 2018 02: 43
          +3
          Quote: Angry Guerrilla
          I give a tooth

          Do not! Keep it and take care! With age, each tooth becomes "worth its weight in gold"! crying
          Quote: Angry Guerrilla
          associated with a grenade launcher that fires grenades towards an ATGM.

          Well, this description is very similar to KAZ Drozd: it was tested, and even produced in a small series ... Then PUs (mortars) should be very noticeable ... But there could be such a thing: the radar and the calculator installed, but PU did not have time ... hi
          1. evil partisan
            evil partisan 19 May 2018 08: 27
            +2
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            With age, each tooth becomes "worth its weight in gold"!

            In truth ... sad
            drinks
      2. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 20 May 2018 00: 14
        0
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        There is a KAZ, and there is a ballistic computer for the fire control system of a tank gun

        KAZ has its own calculator. If anything..)
    4. poquello
      poquello 18 May 2018 21: 36
      +1
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      why are there still no mass troops in the troops?

      patamushto in Syria "curtains" were enough
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 19 May 2018 16: 37
        0
        Quote: poquello
        patamushto in Syria "curtains" were enough

        patamushta "Curtains have long been lacking for a long time. That is why they have not put it on for a long time (if you have not noticed). And do not forget - KOEP is not a KAZ in the full sense of the word. It’s the same as comparing a mask with a bulletproof vest, for example (although the analogy is also not quite successful)
        1. poquello
          poquello 19 May 2018 22: 59
          0
          Quote: Gregory_45
          Quote: poquello
          patamushto in Syria "curtains" were enough

          patamushta "Curtains have long been lacking for a long time. That is why they have not put it for a long time (if you have not noticed).

          I didn’t notice, can you tell me more
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 20 May 2018 00: 00
            0
            Quote: poquello
            did not notice

            all export and new Russian tanks of OTShU Shtor searchlights do not have, because they are ineffective against most of the ATGMs currently used. There were only laser radiation sensors and the ability to automatically shoot Clouds grenades. From a searchlight to sense as from a piece of iron. Instead, they hang additional blocks DZ. And the Syrian crafts near the Stora did not stand ....
            1. poquello
              poquello 20 May 2018 00: 50
              0
              Quote: Gregory_45
              all export and new Russian

              I'm not talking about "everything", about Syria. Whatever else where - the forest.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 20 May 2018 02: 20
                0
                You have been answered all the questions in sufficient volume for you. And if the Primer was too complicated to master - this is no longer for me ...))
                1. poquello
                  poquello 20 May 2018 03: 26
                  0
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  You have been answered all the questions in sufficient volume for you. And if the Primer was too complicated to master - this is no longer for me ...))

                  those got into someone else’s conversation, with arguments off-topic commentary, and the hat is not yours
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 20 May 2018 06: 52
                    0
                    Quote: poquello
                    got into someone else's conversation

                    already for this phrase alone stands in the nursery group. If you are afraid that someone else will participate in the debate (and completely on the topic) - then you need to sit at home. And quietly)) Or conduct conversations in PM.
                  2. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 20 May 2018 06: 56
                    0
                    Quote: poquello
                    off-topic

                    but on the topic or off topic - I recommend re-reading all my comments, of which there are not a few. And immediately it becomes clear who is in the subject, and who just went for a walk and flood came out)
    5. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 19 May 2018 16: 34
      0
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      Question: if already in 1984 they were (KAZ)

      they were before .... the USSR was a pioneer in this field ...
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      then why are they still not massively in the troops?

      for the same reason why there was no air conditioning in our cars.
      1. poquello
        poquello 19 May 2018 23: 05
        0
        Quote: Gregory_45
        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
        then why are they still not massively in the troops?

        for the same reason why there was no air conditioning in our cars.

        to kindergarten, KAZ does not protect against discs, so the main thing is DZ, for every task you need your own tool
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 20 May 2018 00: 03
          0
          Quote: poquello
          to kindergarten, KAZ does not protect against pigs

          it is in the kindergarten) Modern KAZ catch BOPS. Not all, only the most sophisticated. And most consumers have enough of the KAZ, which works only on subsonic ammunition - because they are shot in 99% of cases.
          1. poquello
            poquello 20 May 2018 00: 58
            0
            Quote: Gregory_45
            Modern KAZ catch and BOPS

            First of all, what are modern? secondly they don’t catch, but they knock down or at least reject it; thirdly, can you imagine the physics of the process? the bourgeoisie still does not have protection against PCR granites patamushta there armored disc with a charge
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 20 May 2018 02: 26
              0
              Quote: poquello
              First of all, what are modern?

              not spies by chance?
              Quote: poquello
              secondly, they do not catch, but they knock down or at least reject

              well, if you still don’t understand the meaning of what was written, but you stupidly cling to the letters, then ... it’s not only and not so much in the Primer ..)) When there is nothing to say, who smarter prefers to remain silent)
              Quote: poquello
              the bourgeoisie still has no protection against granite PCR

              What does the Granite have to do with it? Are you at all in the subject, or so, chatting? What does the 7-ton supersonic anti-ship missile system and ATGM have to do with it?
              ПЫ СЫ To begin with, study the materiel, so that there was something to support the dispute. And you might think that you are just a troll
              1. poquello
                poquello 20 May 2018 03: 29
                0
                Quote: Gregory_45
                What does the Granite have to do with it? Are you at all in the subject, or so, chatting? What does the 7-ton supersonic anti-ship missile system and ATGM have to do with it?

                Well, if it doesn’t come that the direction of the discs is to change and undermine (destroy) the PTRK missile, there are several different things, there’s nothing to talk about
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 20 May 2018 06: 49
                  0
                  Quote: poquello
                  nothing to talk about

                  with you - that's right. There is simply nothing to engage in a constructive dialogue. You are completely off topic hi
  5. dvina71
    dvina71 18 May 2018 16: 00
    +3
    Quote: Topotun
    But with a big war

    Won such a 2 world will not be. The power of strike weapons has grown so much that a more or less compact assembly of bt will be destroyed immediately ..
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 18 May 2018 16: 08
      +2
      KAZ is more needed for peacetime operations in local conflicts ...
  6. bogart047
    bogart047 18 May 2018 16: 55
    +1
    when will they start shooting down helicopters and satellites?) How long?
  7. Chicha squad
    Chicha squad 18 May 2018 17: 17
    +1
    It is already known what is needed. The armor has already reached the limit in thickness.
  8. izja
    izja 18 May 2018 17: 20
    +1
    Quote: Zaurbek
    We can print rubles ... KAZ is done for rubles and KAZ is not needed in large quantities (only for parts of constant readiness).


    About printing rubles is an interesting idea, but it was not worth skipping the lessons of the economy. Nobody canceled inflation. If you print rubles indefinitely, the rate will be 1 to 90. Pensions are cut because of a lack of funds, if all problems were solved by printing rubles, everything would be simple, but the United States is the only country issuing its money.
    1. cats
      cats 18 May 2018 17: 30
      +3
      Quote: izja
      About

      What a terrible combination of flags and avatars you have .. winked
      Burn .. Read .. yes
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 18 May 2018 18: 42
      0
      It is one thing to print and distribute to the population and banks to buy currency and goods, it is another thing to imitate the necessary amount, build a factory with equipment for it and produce products that are already sold for real money ... including dollars.
  9. Lesorub
    Lesorub 18 May 2018 17: 42
    +2
    KAZ "Arena-E".

    Essential protection for tanks and infantry fighting vehicles !! (Is it interesting to deal with ammunition flying up in the upper hemisphere)?
  10. izja
    izja 18 May 2018 17: 49
    +2
    Quote: Kotovsky
    Quote: izja
    About

    What a terrible combination of flags and avatars you have .. winked
    Burn .. Read .. yes

    Do you have any doubts about the US printing press? ) or you also think in the key - something is missing in the country, let's print rubles and turn the ruble from toilet paper into garbage. Let me remind you that 1 dollar costs 61 rubles, and not vice versa. The inflation rate in Russia is already decent, but here some people still suggest printing :)
    1. venik
      venik 18 May 2018 20: 47
      +1
      Quote: izja
      Let me remind you that 1 dollar costs 61 rubles, and not vice versa.

      ===========
      Izya! I beg of you!!! Japanese Yen - and generally 100 with a "surplus" for 1 dollar is coming !!! And who told you sho "yen" - this is still "junk" that "nobody needs" ?????
    2. poquello
      poquello 18 May 2018 21: 39
      0
      Quote: izja
      1 dollar costs 61 rubles

      and sho? and in yens?
    3. cats
      cats 19 May 2018 01: 07
      +2
      Quote: izja
      Do you have any doubts about the US printing press? ) or you also think in the key

      God forbid Izya, read what the Jews write about numbers to us ..
      I'm just talking about your warlike image ..
      And he’s such a ruble .. Tricky, jumping, incomprehensible to foreigners ..
      And how is your shekel? I’m not a Jew, I don’t know how to
      count pockets of others .. request
  11. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 18 May 2018 17: 55
    +3
    The proposal specifically for KAZ "Arena" does not surprise me; I constantly “propagandize” this complex ... I believe that Arena-E has the potential for further modernization in order to expand its capabilities ... for example, the defeat of anti-tank ammunition attacking from above, building a simplified cheap KAZ according to the “scheme” ,, Barrier "....." Afganit "let it be .... on the T-14, and for the modernization of the T-72 / 90, the KAZa Arena-M are well suited ...
    By the way, KAZs can be functionally different: a) "universal" in terms of the "assortment" of affected ammunition (very expensive); b) highly specialized, designed to destroy certain types of ammunition. .. (cheaper)
    For example, in the United States, a system was proposed that included an 2-barrel “card case” for protecting armored vehicles, mainly from RP-7 type grenades ....
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 18 May 2018 18: 43
      +1
      First of all, the worst ones are cumulative warheads ...
  12. Cheshire
    Cheshire 18 May 2018 21: 30
    0
    The arena shoots ... from the mines around the perimeter ... hehe ... and why ... I will not say.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 19 May 2018 02: 47
      +2
      Quote: Cheshire
      The arena shoots ... from the mines around the perimeter ... hehe ... and why ... I will not say.

      I don’t know what to call IT ... wink
  13. izja
    izja 18 May 2018 21: 35
    +1
    Quote: venik
    Quote: izja
    Let me remind you that 1 dollar costs 61 rubles, and not vice versa.

    ===========
    Izya! I beg of you!!! Japanese Yen - and generally 100 with a "surplus" for 1 dollar is coming !!! And who told you sho "yen" - this is still "junk" that "nobody needs" ?????

    Do you often need Yen in Russia? nobody except the Japanese needs it, please remind what is the most magical currency in the world? for what currency does Russia sell oil and gas? it’s not for Tugriks, palm oil is not considered an answer, only planes are sold for oil.
    1. cats
      cats 19 May 2018 01: 14
      +2
      Quote: izja
      Do you often need Yen in Russia?

      Judging by your knowledge, the ruble is in use in Israel ..
      Quote: izja
      only planes are sold for oil.

      We sell to friends for butter, and you friends for money ..
      Quote: izja
      please remind what is the most magical currency in the world

      Bitcoins? There is roofing felts, there is no roofing felts ..
  14. TOR2
    TOR2 18 May 2018 22: 00
    0
    At present, active protection complexes (KAZ) are being created in Russia for promising machines of the Armata, Kurganets-25 and Boomerang families. However, similar systems are necessary for the existing T-72B3, T-80BVM, as well as T-90M
    And also for existing BMPs and armored personnel carriers. The main problem is that developers are focused on one principle of KAZ operation. Now you need to attract new developers with new ideas.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 19 May 2018 02: 52
      +3
      Quote: TOR2
      The main problem is that developers are focused on one principle of KAZ operation. Now you need to attract new developers with new ideas.

      "Don’t talk about love, everything is said about it ..." - as it was sung in a certain "hit" ... Designers have already tried all possible "principles"! I can write an entire article .... about the principles!
      1. TOR2
        TOR2 19 May 2018 14: 15
        +1
        Of course, write, a very interesting topic will turn out. I think many will be interested.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 19 May 2018 14: 41
          +2
          Quote: TOR2
          interesting topic

          Well ... at the request of the workers it is necessary to try ... True, there is a problem: somehow my computer crashed .... unfortunately, I did not manage to create a backup copy and a lot of valuable (for me) material was lost. ..Moreover: when I rushed to the Internet to recover information, I couldn’t find much again (like “a cow licked my tongue” ...). So ... if you seriously take up the article, you have to "plow"! recourse
  15. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint 19 May 2018 05: 26
    0
    It makes no sense to equip machines that are in the army right now. Here it is. Their stock should be in the warehouses of the compounds and this is enough. And its presence in these warehouses is generally classified information
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 19 May 2018 16: 41
      0
      Quote: cariperpaint
      It makes no sense to equip vehicles that are in the army right now

      Learning to use materiel is also not worth it? So maybe a cannon from a tank can be removed, leave the PTRD for firing practice? ...
      1. cariperpaint
        cariperpaint 19 May 2018 18: 46
        0
        Enough simulator for such a filling. Yes, and how to manage KAZ?)))
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 19 May 2018 20: 09
          0
          on the simulator you do not work out a tenth. Turn on / off, switch from mode to mode, release locks, interact with infantry (it should get used to the presence of systems on machines, and commanders should reconfigure the existing procedure). In the end, there is simply routine maintenance so that the letter frequencies stand their own and do not run away. Already advised instead of a gun to put a PTRD - the effect will be the same. It’s easier to number, and the cartridge is an order of magnitude cheaper than the projectile) And you can even put a laser pointer - the beauty will be ...))
          1. cariperpaint
            cariperpaint 20 May 2018 08: 48
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            All this can be worked out on modern simulators. I am silent about infantry in general, they have their own rules and standards for working with equipment. KAZ on BMP is still a matter of the future, but with tanks everything is as simple as that. Writing reports and collecting commissions about any damage to the remote sensing is still fun, and to tinker with this. How many times has this happened ... And then the kaz ... Which is half the tank itself ... Okrugs are okay nafig)))
  16. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 19 May 2018 16: 40
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    Quote: Zaurbek
    KAZ is more needed for peacetime operations in local conflicts.

    so only such wars will happen .... It is unlikely that we will see armadas of tanks rushing at each other .... Aviation, the WTO, and then armored vehicles will go slowly .... crushing the pockets of resistance ...
  17. alexnmv5
    alexnmv5 20 May 2018 15: 37
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    It’s interesting, but all the available means of protection will not interfere with each other?