When will Russian modernized tanks "teach" to shoot down missiles?

Currently, active protection complexes (KAZ) are being created in Russia for promising machines of the Armata, Kurganets-25 and Boomerang families. However, such systems are necessary for existing T-72B3, T-80BVM, as well as T-90М, writes Messenger of Mordovia.

As the author of the article, Lev Romanov, notes that the developed KAZ have a high cost and it is not known how long they will "really bring what they say to mind." Therefore, in his opinion, for those in service tanks it was more expedient to refine the improved version of KAZ Arena-E.

“This product has been repeatedly demonstrated at exhibitions. If earlier tankers were confused by the “barrel” of the central unit with radar, now the dimensions of the antenna devices have been significantly reduced. They are several separate, better protected modules that provide a virtually all-round view, ”the article says.

The author notes that the launchers of damaging elements of the Arena "are grouped into containers and create double protection from one direction, and the use of a more modern elemental base reduced the size, weight, and significantly increased the reliability and speed of KAZ equipment."

As previously reported by the developers, the modernized Arena was able to intercept not only anti-tank missiles or RPGs, but also cumulative tank-gun munitions.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

As soon as they learn to fly, they will begin to shoot down. An article from a grove who is stronger than a whale or an elephant ... Zero specificity. What rockets are we planning to shoot? With which management, guidance, what class?

[Zaurbek]

Everything that will fly to the Tank ... for this KAZ is done.

[Separ DNR]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

What rockets are we planning to shoot? With which management, guidance, what class?

Quote: Zaurbek

Everything that will fly to the Tank ... for this KAZ is done.

So sure, Zaur This is not EW with the influence on the target (object) systems, but the PHYSICAL destruction of the target.

[Topotun]

Protecting one tank is not a problem. But when it comes to several thousand ..... If we were as states on a printing press, and even then I doubt it. Expensive. It’s clear that building a tank is not cheap. But in a big war, when everything goes into battle, KAZ elements will not be enough for a long time. And make up .... For the Americans with their printing press, KAZ is not used at all.

[Zaurbek]

We can print rubles ... KAZ is done for rubles and KAZ is not needed in large quantities (only for parts of constant readiness).

[Topotun]

It is made on equipment purchased abroad, many materials and radio components are imported. In 1989, I drove our equipment to the show, there I saw the first samples of KAZ, it seemed then they showed KAZ Drozd, now I don’t remember exactly. not my profile. But even then we asked why not on all tanks. We were told that we would remain without pants. The cost of protection is more than half the cost of the tank. Most likely it’s cheaper now, but ....

[Zaurbek]

But at the moment we are no longer making cheap tanks - the last T-72s and T-90s ... and ATGMs have gone to the masses (before, there weren’t any such numbers available to irregular units). Accordingly, people need machines to protect or the losses will be huge. And machines are bought not only under KAZ, there is a lot to do on them.

[Topotun]

So it is, but before the enterprises were state-owned and the state decided what to build. Now these are private hands. What do you think if the price requested by the Moscow Region does not satisfy the manufacturer - will it build complexes?

[Mih1974]

"and that the soldiers are dying - so the women still give birth, but the horses - I’m sorry, the days are worth the money" (c)
Do you yourself want to accidentally burn in the front row in a tank without a KAZ?

[Zaurbek]

do not give birth and a taxi driver for a modern tank needs to be taught ... a tank can be taken from a warehouse, and there will be no one to ride it.

[sivuch]

Are you sure you are not using it?
Here, he writes that 4 brigades will soon receive the Trophy. And in their case, soon means that it is soon, i.e. some years
American supremacy: “Abrams” no longer knock out “Cornets”
18.05.2018/1101/12 Bulletin of Mordovia XNUMX XNUMX
A prototype of the American tank M1A2 SEPv2 Abrams equipped with the Israeli Rafael Trophy active defense complex.
Source: US Army
The US Army quickly and massively installs active defense complexes on its armored vehicles. As a well-known military expert Andrei Tarasenko reports on his blog, 4 US rapid reaction teams will begin receiving modernized Abrams and BMD Bradley tanks in the shortest possible time. If in 2018 we are talking about one such connection, then in the next - about three at once.

[nikoliski]

It's not even about money, but about the ability of the military-industrial complex to quickly produce a lot of KAZ (they will rivet 50 pieces a year and that's it)

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Topotun

And make up .... For the Americans with their printing press, KAZ is not used at all.

Jews found money for themselves. Americans, by the way, too. They rolled in KAZ and the first sets had already left for Europe to equip the Abrams and Bradley. So far, a little, something about two hundred sets (if sclerosis does not fail). But if you sit and nod to your neighbor .... he will soon have a Mercedes, and we will still have a big-eared Cossack (I hope you will interpret the analogy correctly, and not in the style of some personalities)

[Romka47]

230th Mizhit fly into a tank, stop? Betab?

[MPN]

Quote: Romka47

230th Mizhit fly into a tank, stop? Betab?

Well, why so ..., you still have to get this ... Just a sub-caliber "crowbar" ... he got a hit on the drum ...

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

As soon as they learn to fly, they will begin to shoot down.

The fact is, with modern monetary policy in the field of armaments, the answer to the question:

When will Russian modernized tanks "teach" to shoot down missiles?

as old as Russia itself .: "AFTER THE RAIN, ON THURSDAY"

[Genry]

Quote: svp67

When will Russian modernized tanks "teach" to shoot down missiles?
as old as Russia itself .: "AFTER THE RAIN, ON THURSDAY"

Yes .. yes .. daaaa ... Again, they "blew all the polymers", version one hundred and five hundred ...

[Grigory_45]

Quote: svp67

AFTER THE RAIN ON THURSDAY

and "Rain" was already, and Thursdays are unmeasured .... Apparently, cancer should be invited. With a whistle ....

[venik]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

The specifics are zero. What rockets are we planning to shoot? With which management, guidance, what class?

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And WHAT, in fact, UNEXPECTED ???
Well, especially for the Dull: The system is designed to defeat the flying cumulative ammunition (RPG shots, and ATGMs). It operates on the principle of shooting miniature missiles (with fragmentation warheads), or “buckshots” (tungsten balls) that destroy the warhead “in the distance”) ..... At the “current” moment, existing KAZs like the Russian Arena and Israeli Trophy ", it’s most effective in combating CUMULATIVE ammunition. Information slipped through that the KAZ "Afganit" installed on the "Armata" can quite effectively hit even sub-caliber armor-piercing shells (including with "uranium" cores (!)).
The problem of ALL existing systems is that they can quite effectively deal with PSUs flying in horizontal plane. To repel "diving" ammunition, it is necessary to install "mortars" or "launch glasses" oriented in the upper hemisphere, which significantly increases the dimensions (including and vertical) of the tower and the tank itself .... Although on the "Armata" - it seems and it is provided .....
Now, about WHEN we "learn to do" - ALREADY have learned, and quite LAST !!! The first KAZ passed tests for a long time - back in Afghanistan!!! The results were very encouraging! Since then - the system much improved! Arena-E (export version) is actively offered for export! That's just not wanting to buy yet (as well as the Israeli "Trophy" !!). The reason is simple - the "little thing" is too expensive - almost "half a tank" at a cost !!!
Now it is clear?? Or something else to "chew" need ????

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

What rockets are we planning to shoot? With which management, guidance, what class?

everything subsonic that flies into the tank and whose flight paths intersect with the armored car. Regardless of the country of manufacture, guidance system, skin color of the operator and his religion. And so on. For KAZ, the threatening ammunition is nothing more than a brick flying into the tank, and it just needs to be knocked down or rejected from the trajectory. the rest is basically deep purple - at least the 1st generation ATGM, at least the 3rd ... at least the RPG-7 grenade ... if the trajectory allows
I don’t get into modern KAZs that can “catch” BOPS, but the principle of operation is about the same

[kapitan92]

This theme of equipping KAZ tanks: "Drozd", "Arena e", "Afganit", is already tired. Well do something! How much you can exaggerate this topic. The system is expensive ??? And the life of the crew ?!

[spirit]

The question is why aren’t Arena standing on any tank in Syria? Aren't they testing? Afraid that the Syrians will abandon the tank and run away leaving the car bearded? Or unsure of its effectiveness?

[Antidote]

Syria has its own! birdhouses, already the second version, even on pickups. They haven’t been sawing wunderwafles for decades.

[evil partisan]

That's what I don’t understand. For the first time I heard about KAZ in 1984 during the passage of military field camps near Sverdlovsk. we took a picture against the background of a tank (did not understand them ...). And the tank turned out to be the T-80. We were caught up by specially trained people in this case, came running, took away the cameras (returned after the training camp) and lit up the film. And then we gave an oral lecture about tanks in general. and specifically about the T-80, and about the "onboard ballistic computer" (if I remember correctly ...) - that is. KAZ. Question: if already in 1984 they were (KAZ), then why are there still no mass troops in the troops? Thirty poorly passed 34 (!!) years ...

[arutun]

about "onboard ballistic computer

This is not KAZ. This is different. As I think it’s all about the cost, they stupidly do not want to spend money.
But in fact, they should have been actively tested in Syria, there was a real training ground. But there I did not notice them. The Birdhouse on Syrian tanks is not the Arena.

[Zaurbek]

I see in Baku in 89, the troops entered the code ... T-55 with KAZ. And there’s not even a video for it.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

"onboard ballistic computer" (if I remember correctly ...) - i.e. KAZ.

Well, why confuse the "plug with the bottle"? There is a KAZ, and there is a ballistic computer for the fire control system of a tank gun ...

[evil partisan]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

There is a KAZ, and there is a ballistic computer for the fire control system of a tank gun ...

The fact of the matter is that we were told that this calculator is connected with a grenade launcher that shoots grenades towards an ATGM. I give a tooth I heard that back in 1984!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

I give a tooth

Do not! Keep it and take care! With age, each tooth becomes "worth its weight in gold"!

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

associated with a grenade launcher that fires grenades towards an ATGM.

Well, this description is very similar to KAZ Drozd: it was tested, and even produced in a small series ... Then PUs (mortars) should be very noticeable ... But there could be such a thing: the radar and the calculator installed, but PU did not have time ...

[evil partisan]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

With age, each tooth becomes "worth its weight in gold"!

In truth ...

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

There is a KAZ, and there is a ballistic computer for the fire control system of a tank gun

KAZ has its own calculator. If anything..)

[poquello]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

why are there still no mass troops in the troops?

patamushto in Syria "curtains" were enough

[Grigory_45]

Quote: poquello

patamushto in Syria "curtains" were enough

patamushta "Curtains have long been lacking for a long time. That is why they have not put it on for a long time (if you have not noticed). And do not forget - KOEP is not a KAZ in the full sense of the word. It’s the same as comparing a mask with a bulletproof vest, for example (although the analogy is also not quite successful)

[poquello]

Quote: Gregory_45

Quote: poquello

patamushto in Syria "curtains" were enough

patamushta "Curtains have long been lacking for a long time. That is why they have not put it for a long time (if you have not noticed).

I didn’t notice, can you tell me more

[Grigory_45]

Quote: poquello

did not notice

all export and new Russian tanks of OTShU Shtor searchlights do not have, because they are ineffective against most of the ATGMs currently used. There were only laser radiation sensors and the ability to automatically shoot Clouds grenades. From a searchlight to sense as from a piece of iron. Instead, they hang additional blocks DZ. And the Syrian crafts near the Stora did not stand ....

[poquello]

Quote: Gregory_45

all export and new Russian

I'm not talking about "everything", about Syria. Whatever else where - the forest.

[Grigory_45]

You have been answered all the questions in sufficient volume for you. And if the Primer was too complicated to master - this is no longer for me ...))

[poquello]

Quote: Gregory_45

You have been answered all the questions in sufficient volume for you. And if the Primer was too complicated to master - this is no longer for me ...))

those got into someone else’s conversation, with arguments off-topic commentary, and the hat is not yours

[Grigory_45]

Quote: poquello

got into someone else's conversation

already for this phrase alone stands in the nursery group. If you are afraid that someone else will participate in the debate (and completely on the topic) - then you need to sit at home. And quietly)) Or conduct conversations in PM.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: poquello

off-topic

but on the topic or off topic - I recommend re-reading all my comments, of which there are not a few. And immediately it becomes clear who is in the subject, and who just went for a walk and flood came out)

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

Question: if already in 1984 they were (KAZ)

they were before .... the USSR was a pioneer in this field ...

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

then why are they still not massively in the troops?

for the same reason why there was no air conditioning in our cars.

[poquello]

Quote: Gregory_45

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

then why are they still not massively in the troops?

for the same reason why there was no air conditioning in our cars.

to kindergarten, KAZ does not protect against discs, so the main thing is DZ, for every task you need your own tool

[Grigory_45]

Quote: poquello

to kindergarten, KAZ does not protect against pigs

it is in the kindergarten) Modern KAZ catch BOPS. Not all, only the most sophisticated. And most consumers have enough of the KAZ, which works only on subsonic ammunition - because they are shot in 99% of cases.

[poquello]

Quote: Gregory_45

Modern KAZ catch and BOPS

First of all, what are modern? secondly they don’t catch, but they knock down or at least reject it; thirdly, can you imagine the physics of the process? the bourgeoisie still does not have protection against PCR granites patamushta there armored disc with a charge

[Grigory_45]

Quote: poquello

First of all, what are modern?

not spies by chance?

Quote: poquello

secondly, they do not catch, but they knock down or at least reject

well, if you still don’t understand the meaning of what was written, but you stupidly cling to the letters, then ... it’s not only and not so much in the Primer ..)) When there is nothing to say, who smarter prefers to remain silent)

Quote: poquello

the bourgeoisie still has no protection against granite PCR

What does the Granite have to do with it? Are you at all in the subject, or so, chatting? What does the 7-ton supersonic anti-ship missile system and ATGM have to do with it?
ПЫ СЫ To begin with, study the materiel, so that there was something to support the dispute. And you might think that you are just a troll

[poquello]

Quote: Gregory_45

What does the Granite have to do with it? Are you at all in the subject, or so, chatting? What does the 7-ton supersonic anti-ship missile system and ATGM have to do with it?

Well, if it doesn’t come that the direction of the discs is to change and undermine (destroy) the PTRK missile, there are several different things, there’s nothing to talk about

[Grigory_45]

Quote: poquello

nothing to talk about

with you - that's right. There is simply nothing to engage in a constructive dialogue. You are completely off topic

[dvina71]

Quote: Topotun

But with a big war

Won such a 2 world will not be. The power of strike weapons has grown so much that a more or less compact assembly of bt will be destroyed immediately ..

[Zaurbek]

KAZ is more needed for peacetime operations in local conflicts ...

[bogart047]

when will they start shooting down helicopters and satellites?) How long?

[Chicha squad]

It is already known what is needed. The armor has already reached the limit in thickness.

[izja]

Quote: Zaurbek

We can print rubles ... KAZ is done for rubles and KAZ is not needed in large quantities (only for parts of constant readiness).

About printing rubles is an interesting idea, but it was not worth skipping the lessons of the economy. Nobody canceled inflation. If you print rubles indefinitely, the rate will be 1 to 90. Pensions are cut because of a lack of funds, if all problems were solved by printing rubles, everything would be simple, but the United States is the only country issuing its money.

[cats]

Quote: izja

About

What a terrible combination of flags and avatars you have ..
Burn .. Read ..

[Zaurbek]

It is one thing to print and distribute to the population and banks to buy currency and goods, it is another thing to imitate the necessary amount, build a factory with equipment for it and produce products that are already sold for real money ... including dollars.

[Lesorub]

KAZ "Arena-E".

Essential protection for tanks and infantry fighting vehicles !! (Is it interesting to deal with ammunition flying up in the upper hemisphere)?

[izja]

Quote: Kotovsky

Quote: izja

About

What a terrible combination of flags and avatars you have ..
Burn .. Read ..

Do you have any doubts about the US printing press? ) or you also think in the key - something is missing in the country, let's print rubles and turn the ruble from toilet paper into garbage. Let me remind you that 1 dollar costs 61 rubles, and not vice versa. The inflation rate in Russia is already decent, but here some people still suggest printing :)

[venik]

Quote: izja

Let me remind you that 1 dollar costs 61 rubles, and not vice versa.

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Izya! I beg of you!!! Japanese Yen - and generally 100 with a "surplus" for 1 dollar is coming !!! And who told you sho "yen" - this is still "junk" that "nobody needs" ?????

[poquello]

Quote: izja

1 dollar costs 61 rubles

and sho? and in yens?

[cats]

Quote: izja

Do you have any doubts about the US printing press? ) or you also think in the key

God forbid Izya, read what the Jews write about numbers to us ..
I'm just talking about your warlike image ..
And he’s such a ruble .. Tricky, jumping, incomprehensible to foreigners ..
And how is your shekel? I’m not a Jew, I don’t know how to
count pockets of others ..

[Nikolaevich I]

The proposal specifically for KAZ "Arena" does not surprise me; I constantly “propagandize” this complex ... I believe that Arena-E has the potential for further modernization in order to expand its capabilities ... for example, the defeat of anti-tank ammunition attacking from above, building a simplified cheap KAZ according to the “scheme” ,, Barrier "....." Afganit "let it be .... on the T-14, and for the modernization of the T-72 / 90, the KAZa Arena-M are well suited ...
By the way, KAZs can be functionally different: a) "universal" in terms of the "assortment" of affected ammunition (very expensive); b) highly specialized, designed to destroy certain types of ammunition. .. (cheaper)
For example, in the United States, a system was proposed that included an 2-barrel “card case” for protecting armored vehicles, mainly from RP-7 type grenades ....

[Zaurbek]

First of all, the worst ones are cumulative warheads ...

[Cheshire]

The arena shoots ... from the mines around the perimeter ... hehe ... and why ... I will not say.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Cheshire

The arena shoots ... from the mines around the perimeter ... hehe ... and why ... I will not say.

I don’t know what to call IT ...

[izja]

Quote: venik

Quote: izja

Let me remind you that 1 dollar costs 61 rubles, and not vice versa.

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Izya! I beg of you!!! Japanese Yen - and generally 100 with a "surplus" for 1 dollar is coming !!! And who told you sho "yen" - this is still "junk" that "nobody needs" ?????

Do you often need Yen in Russia? nobody except the Japanese needs it, please remind what is the most magical currency in the world? for what currency does Russia sell oil and gas? it’s not for Tugriks, palm oil is not considered an answer, only planes are sold for oil.

[cats]

Quote: izja

Do you often need Yen in Russia?

Judging by your knowledge, the ruble is in use in Israel ..

Quote: izja

only planes are sold for oil.

We sell to friends for butter, and you friends for money ..

Quote: izja

please remind what is the most magical currency in the world

Bitcoins? There is roofing felts, there is no roofing felts ..

[TOR2]

At present, active protection complexes (KAZ) are being created in Russia for promising machines of the Armata, Kurganets-25 and Boomerang families. However, similar systems are necessary for the existing T-72B3, T-80BVM, as well as T-90M

And also for existing BMPs and armored personnel carriers. The main problem is that developers are focused on one principle of KAZ operation. Now you need to attract new developers with new ideas.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: TOR2

The main problem is that developers are focused on one principle of KAZ operation. Now you need to attract new developers with new ideas.

"Don’t talk about love, everything is said about it ..." - as it was sung in a certain "hit" ... Designers have already tried all possible "principles"! I can write an entire article .... about the principles!

[TOR2]

Of course, write, a very interesting topic will turn out. I think many will be interested.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: TOR2

interesting topic

Well ... at the request of the workers it is necessary to try ... True, there is a problem: somehow my computer crashed .... unfortunately, I did not manage to create a backup copy and a lot of valuable (for me) material was lost. ..Moreover: when I rushed to the Internet to recover information, I couldn’t find much again (like “a cow licked my tongue” ...). So ... if you seriously take up the article, you have to "plow"!

[cariperpaint]

It makes no sense to equip machines that are in the army right now. Here it is. Their stock should be in the warehouses of the compounds and this is enough. And its presence in these warehouses is generally classified information

[Grigory_45]

Quote: cariperpaint

It makes no sense to equip vehicles that are in the army right now

Learning to use materiel is also not worth it? So maybe a cannon from a tank can be removed, leave the PTRD for firing practice? ...

[cariperpaint]

Enough simulator for such a filling. Yes, and how to manage KAZ?)))

[Grigory_45]

on the simulator you do not work out a tenth. Turn on / off, switch from mode to mode, release locks, interact with infantry (it should get used to the presence of systems on machines, and commanders should reconfigure the existing procedure). In the end, there is simply routine maintenance so that the letter frequencies stand their own and do not run away. Already advised instead of a gun to put a PTRD - the effect will be the same. It’s easier to number, and the cartridge is an order of magnitude cheaper than the projectile) And you can even put a laser pointer - the beauty will be ...))

[cariperpaint]

All this can be worked out on modern simulators. I am silent about infantry in general, they have their own rules and standards for working with equipment. KAZ on BMP is still a matter of the future, but with tanks everything is as simple as that. Writing reports and collecting commissions about any damage to the remote sensing is still fun, and to tinker with this. How many times has this happened ... And then the kaz ... Which is half the tank itself ... Okrugs are okay nafig)))

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Zaurbek

KAZ is more needed for peacetime operations in local conflicts.

so only such wars will happen .... It is unlikely that we will see armadas of tanks rushing at each other .... Aviation, the WTO, and then armored vehicles will go slowly .... crushing the pockets of resistance ...

[alexnmv5]

It’s interesting, but all the available means of protection will not interfere with each other?