More than ten samples. On the basis of BMD-4M will create new combat vehicles

The fourth-generation Russian airborne combat vehicle BMD-4M is a unique example of armored vehicles. In terms of firepower, she can argue with a light a tank, thanks to the latest sights, it sees perfectly at night and has high maneuverability characteristics, writes "RG"

BMD-4М is equipped with an information and control system that monitors the status of components and assemblies. There are also modern means of communication and satellite navigation.

The engine is able to develop power to 500 HP. As a result, an armored vehicle weighing in 13,5 t accelerates to 70 km / h by land and 10 km / h by water. Power reserve - 500 km.

Given the specificity of the application, booking is bulletproof, but if necessary it can be enhanced with additional protection.

BMD is, in fact, the basis for the creation on its base of a large number of combat and auxiliary machines. Thanks to military exercises and parades, we are well acquainted with the armored personnel carrier BTR - MDM "Shell". For units of radiation, chemical and biological protection, a special РХМ-5М was created.

It is expected that very soon go into service 125-mm self-propelled gun 2S25M "Octopus-SDM1" after him will 120-mm 2S42 "Lotus", a rocket antitank "Cornet-D1" control machine artillery created on "Testament -D.

Already in the twenties, the Airborne Forces would receive the anti-aircraft Birdhouse, the Pervoput combat reconnaissance vehicle, and the Affect-M tow truck. In total, the family will consist of more than ten samples.

Comments

[Alexey-74]

Slowly modern technology is crowding out Soviet, although all the latest technology is still the development of Soviet designers and engineers, who were waiting in the wings.

[helmi8]

Quote: Alexey-74

this is still the development of Soviet designers and engineers, waiting in the wings.

Which once again confirms the high level of Soviet education and design thought.

[Sands Careers General]

The Soviet military-industrial complex was so powerful that its achievements will last for decades to come.

[bouncyhunter]

Jora

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

his achievements will be enough for decades to come.

And do not forget about the originally laid down modernization potential.

[Sands Careers General]

pasha

Yes sir!

[Vadim237]

He was so powerful - that he could not make thermal imagers.

[Sands Careers General]

Just do not drive the blizzard, huh?

Can Agave 2 remember?

What about today's developments?

"So much" is written together.

[Korax71]

Today's developments, together with the French, used their matrices. Even for automated army security systems, thermal imagers in the mattress are purchased through the left offices.

[Sands Careers General]

Well and good, you cannot be absolutely the best in everything. Trade and co-development are the engine of progress.

[Vadim237]

Matrices are already doing ourselves.

[cast iron]

The American military-industrial complex was so powerful that it could not come up with an automatic loader in the tank. It is so ingenious that it was not able to create a competitive ground-based air defense system. They are so brilliant that they have to buy scientific physicists and mathematicians abroad, because their educational system is built for the rich, not for the capable.
No need to exaggerate. Each country may lag behind in some area or technology, including the USSR.

[Maz]

Or you can build a bridge over the Lena instead of this family and reduce the price of a buck to 40 rubles, otherwise the price of oil rises and rises, for which we are fighting in Syria, and -63 bucks are just mats on our minds. But it’s impossible - they’ll ban

[72jora72]

the price of oil is rising and rising, for sho we are fighting in Syria, and the dollar -63

So far, you are fighting hemorrhoids, sitting on the couch.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Maz

Or you can build a bridge across the Lena instead of this family

Of course you can, as many as five bridges can be built, but then NATO tanks will pass over them.

[andrewkor]

Well, if Russia at a price of $ 30 per barrel of oil was re-equipped, now now wow !!!

[bogart047]

I want this - to go to the country. I don’t have a summer residence, but with a BMP ...

[tchoni]

The fourth-generation Russian airborne combat vehicle BMD-4M is a unique example of armored vehicles

It is a unique mass grave of the landing party, where not only the crew, but also the landing party, is hugging with land mines lined up along a cardboard wall.

[arutun]

I agree, without active protection, this is a mass grave. And as always they will not buy it, because it’s expensive, such a “saving”, and, as always, at the expense of the soldiers.

[Separ DNR]

Quote: tchoni

It is a unique mass grave of the landing party, where not only the crew, but also the landing party, is hugging with land mines lined up along a cardboard wall.

Do you put it together differently ...
In general, all domestic infantry fighting vehicles are called a mass grave.
In BMP1-2, the landing party is actually sitting in the "fuel compartment", with ATGM and MANPADS containers on the sides.
In the "penny", around the operator, there is also a "carousel" with BC ...
BUT, alas, it doesn’t work out differently ...

[helmi8]

Quote: Separ DNR

BUT, alas, it doesn’t work out differently ...

According to the experience of Afghanistan ... The landing was located on the armor, on top. When undermined, they were thrown from the armor, there were fewer victims, cost injuries (fractures, bruises). Those in the airborne compartment had practically no chance of survival ...

[tchoni]

Quote: helmi8

The landing was located on the armor, on top. When undermined, they were thrown from the armor, there were fewer victims, cost injuries (fractures, bruises).

Experience, this is a good thing, they only know how to analyze it. The landing on the armor is amazing. A sniper or machine gunner will tidy him up. and don’t have to fool around with laying mine-mines (in general, mine-demolition is a dangerous thing, especially for non-professionals), a banal stretch from a bunny number of times ... and the landing carries losses .... on the armor ... MONK or OZMka - Washpe siert is fierce, if correctly set. Having mocked up on a purely anti-tank mine - yes, yes ... All shell-shocked - peoelomannyn - not just one fighter ... Do you want to shoot like that, do you want a dagger with a dagger ... as you want. For free that they are alive. If another “mestizo tou” arrives from an RPG, the dsant on armor has a barotrauma that is incompatible with life — almost 100%. If you slipped under an anti-tank mine some kind of appendage such as a missile or a bomb, then here you’ll at least, even under armor, yours will not dance now.
We drove on the armor not only and not so much because of the fear of mines, but because of the hellish conditions in the landings of kopecks and twos. 10 kilometers in the heat and on rough roads - and you are really drawn. And also due to the fact that sitting on top of the iron you have one very important advantage over those who are sitting under the iron. You see and hear everything. As long as the batch has gone - there’s every chance to slip away from the dangerous box until the bright moment how to deal with it. There is a chance to see the same grenade launcher before it fires.

[tchoni]

Quote: Separ DNR

BUT, alas, it doesn’t work out differently

Even as it turns out. Carry the gun and the landing in two different cars - and voila. Take the DBM out of the airborne compartment - and here you are. Make an external box under the "flies" and other pipes - hurray! you are well done! Everything is possible, not everyone wants to be with us.

[Separ DNR]

Quote: tchoni

Even as it turns out. Carry the gun and the landing in two different cars - and voila.

So it’s not BMP anymore ...

[prodi]

articulated car is definitely not for landing
Or even: BMP - only for landing

[tchoni]

BMP is a very conventional concept. If you look at the combat manuals of the Soviet-Russian troops, there are generally differences between the BMP-BTR and the nuances ... If you look at the BTR-82 and BMP-2, it’s just right to start the game "find 10 differences"
And what does not work out - my personal opinion - I emphasize, personal IMHO - BMP dies as a class. And in the end it will be replaced by a pair of cheap APCs and an expensive light tank. I personally have much less claims for the BMD-4, if we consider it as a light tank. Separated from the landing.

[prodi]

BMP (BMP-3 type) rolls with a bang in the assault force in all respects, because according to the "ideology" of the assault force it is assumed that the assault force is landing in a zone not too ready for resistance

[Korax71]

Do not ride. It doesn’t pass by weight. From a cow, the behu cannot be thrown by parachute. For this, they were composed.

[prodi]

Yes, of course, I am in the know (although this is just solvable). The debate about the "ideology" of the BMP. It’s bad to combine good weapons, armor and landing in one building

[cast iron]

Yes, yes, and then by the new car you change the entire fleet of railway wagons, the entire fleet of military transport aircraft. This is naturally done in 1, maximum 3 years. From the point of view of the student, certainly everything will be so.

[cats]

Quote: tchoni

It is a unique mass grave of the landing

It’s scary in war ..
What is the analogue with the same weapons and capabilities?
I’m not talking about the price, instead bridges are required ..

[tchoni]

Quote: Kotovsky

What is the analogue with the same weapons and capabilities?

And no. Not because they can’t build, but because nobody really needs a direct analogue. Even our Airborne Forces, who bought a hundred or two of these cars for parades and on the principle of "Schaub Bulo, Oops de Jump" will, it seems to me, buy typhoons and shells more.
If you need an analogue of a light car with a similar armament - then this good .. heaps. Especially the French excelled. AML-90, (your bestseller), sage-1, sage-2, AMX-10, Beauty. The sons of Israel tried at first to put an anti-tank, in fact, 65, if my memory serves me, a gun (a slightly more powerful analogue of our 57 anti-tank gun) on m 113, and he partially retained the function of a floating armored personnel carrier .. but somehow quickly became disappointed in car due to dead armor. You can recall the English scorpion tank with its three-inch cannon, the Saladin armored car ... but then again, somehow it didn’t work ... Scorpio gods began to rearm as quickly as a 30mm cannon. Well, even though a little heavier, but still light tanks we will not forget ... Bulldog, Sheridan, Centauro, Piranha. The lesser-known VBL-90 from Cadillac Grage. This and the armored personnel carrier and even floats, in my opinion ... but well, it didn’t work ... The variant of a striker with a 90 mm gun was considered the same and didn’t go either .... So there are a lot of options.

[cats]

Quote: tchoni

that no one really needs a direct analogue.

I apologize, the Arabs are out, those that are prince on the prince, on the gelika manure
they carry a camel, in America they buy what they themselves striped
they can’t afford themselves .. And suddenly, on you, they buy ours
"wretched" Spartans without Sartir and glamor..And why?
Because he is real, not pretty.
About all sorts of Indonesian islanders, those who are these "mass graves"
consider the main tank and I will not say ..

[tchoni]

Quote: Kotovsky

they can’t afford themselves .. And suddenly, on you, they buy ours
"wretched" Spartans without Sartir and glamor..And why?

What did they buy there? Three hundred BMP-3? So they spit on them now ... They demand: ah-wah, the mighty-great padishah-priest! Have pity on the orphaned and wretched servants of your glbpich - buy us "looters" Well, what’s worth it to you. They are cheaper than maseratti for the police. But seriously and without banter, then on the treshki personnel try not to carry, but use more as fire support vehicles. For the armament complex is extremely and very there. But not armor.
Indonesians - yes, they have nowhere to go. An archipelago is an aripelag. And then notice, they again put on the role of tanks. Let light, but tanks.
But, mind you, BMD-4, it's still not BMP-3. The latter, although it has weak, from a tank point of view, armor, but, nevertheless, is somewhat more powerful than the BMD. Yes, and living conditions there are somewhat better.

[cats]

So you agree that the car is good ?.
Harm ..

[tchoni]

I agree that the weapon system and sighting system on these machines is simply excellent. It really allows these machines to do things. But, to place also a landing party next to a bunch of high-explosive fragmentation bombs - this is the top of neglect of personnel. By the way, it was precisely because of this that the BMP-3 in the army accepted the nonsense in such a dual way, I would say. (well, maybe also because the car is quite complicated)
In general, the BMP-3 is quite a convenient landing machine. It is slightly higher (it’s more comfortable to sit), and placing the landing closer to the middle of the car reduced, in my opinion, its fatigue. Yes, there is the inconvenience of entry and exit (there are already a lot of all kinds of sash hatches to open to be free), but this is bearable. But, when you look at the "carousel" to the 100 mm cannon next door - it becomes very uncomfortable.
Hence my personal IMHO: the cannon must ride separately from the landing.
And yet, yes, I'm harm)

[cats]

Quote: tchoni

And yet, yes, I'm harm)

[cast iron]

And the crew put in a combat vehicle is also a neglect of personnel? You read the charter? Where in the charter says that the infantry is fighting in armor from abrazur? I've personally read that the landing should first of all dismount and disperse on the ground.

[sib.ataman]

Quote: Sands Career General

The Soviet military-industrial complex was so powerful that its achievements will last for decades to come.

So it must be revived in full!

[sib.ataman]

Quote: helmi8

Quote: Separ DNR

BUT, alas, it doesn’t work out differently ...

According to the experience of Afghanistan ... The landing was located on the armor, on top. When undermined, they were thrown from the armor, there were fewer victims, cost injuries (fractures, bruises). Those in the airborne compartment had practically no chance of survival ...

But if the car came under sniper or machine gun (DShK) fire, then injuries and bruises no longer got off!

[Separ DNR]

Quote: sib.ataman

machine gun (DShK) fire

For DShK or "Cliff", from short and medium distances, BMP, that paper.
The armor is flimsy ... If you are VERY lucky and the fire comes in front view, you can still hope for rebounds, and that is doubtful.

We have on the “beh”, “cliff”, “ribbed” tore off nafig with a few hits ...
In fairness, I note that he stayed ("ribbed") on two unscrewed bolts, a headache for the drivers

[Vadivak]

Quote: Separ DNR

For DShK or "Cliff", from short and medium distances, BMP, that paper.

Board BMP 16 mm and for DShK and 20 mm is not an obstacle

[sib.ataman]

Quote: Separ DNR

Quote: tchoni

It is a unique mass grave of the landing party, where not only the crew, but also the landing party, is hugging with land mines lined up along a cardboard wall.

Do you put it together differently ...
In general, all domestic infantry fighting vehicles are called a mass grave.
In BMP1-2, the landing party is actually sitting in the "fuel compartment", with ATGM and MANPADS containers on the sides.
In the "penny", around the operator, there is also a "carousel" with BC ...
BUT, alas, it doesn’t work out differently ...

For this, they create BMPTs on the basis of tanks, but it has its own problems!

[sib.ataman]

Quote: tchoni

The fourth-generation Russian airborne combat vehicle BMD-4M is a unique example of armored vehicles

It is a unique mass grave of the landing party, where not only the crew, but also the landing party, is hugging with land mines lined up along a cardboard wall.

All the same, the concept of the use of infantry fighting vehicles involves actions joint with tanks and under their cover! But all the options voiced in comments do not imply this concept. It seems to many that if there are geese, armor and a gun, then this is already a ready tank for you! And then they call it a mass grave! First you need to develop a textbook on the tactics of using BMPs, train crews, and only then go to war! And we have everything as usual, the war will teach everything! The question is, at what cost?

[sib.ataman]

Quote: andrewkor

Well, if Russia at a price of $ 30 per barrel of oil was re-equipped, now now wow !!!

And it seems to me that uh-th !!!?

[san4es]

Given the specificity of the application, booking is bulletproof, but if necessary it can be enhanced with additional protection.

[APASUS]

To equip such machines with the KAZ system and the demand for cars would be prohibitive! And not only in the Russian Armed Forces

[cordon332]

Quote: Separ DNR

Quote: sib.ataman

machine gun (DShK) fire

For DShK or "Cliff", from short and medium distances, BMP, that paper.
The armor is flimsy ... If you are VERY lucky and the fire comes in front view, you can still hope for rebounds, and that is doubtful.

We have on the “beh”, “cliff”, “ribbed” tore off nafig with a few hits ...
In fairness, I note that he stayed ("ribbed") on two unscrewed bolts, a headache for the drivers

BMD-4M protection with mounted armor (as in the photo) removes 12.7 from 50 m

[Vadim237]

For that, he doesn’t shoot shots from RPGs and ATGMs such as Spike, MMP and other Javelins.

[Vadim237]

The first minutes of the battle for BMD will end like this

[cordon332]

[quote = Vadim237] For that he doesn’t shoot shots from RPGs and ATGMs such as Spike, MMP and other Javelins. [/ quote
The task of the Airborne Forces is to destroy tactical missiles, command and control posts, and so on, behind enemy lines. It is unlikely that RPGs and ATGMs will be used in the defense of these objects. tons of additional equipment for this type of machine is pointless.

[Vadim237]

And who will launch the Airborne Forces behind enemy lines - or this enemy has no air defense and aviation.