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Live long ... The FIU decided to tell you that there are 100-year-old pensioners in the country

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The Pension Fund of Russia once again stated that the average life expectancy in the Russian Federation is growing from year to year. At the moment it is (the FIU relies on Rosstat data) 72,6 of the year. At the same time in the material Russia Today Representatives of the Pension Fund of the country decided to tell about the fact that such citizens live in Russia, who crossed 100 and 110-year-olds, receiving the required pension.


The publication states that the largest number of pensioners aged 100 and above live in the Moscow region, the Republic of Bashkortostan, as well as in St. Petersburg and Moscow. About exactly how many 100-year-old "pension recipients" holds on the pencil of the FIU, is not specified. But other information is given: how many pensioners over the age of 110 are paid a pension from the fund. Such, according to the representatives of the Pension Fund, 37 people. They live in the Chechen and Kabardino-Balkarian Republics, Ingushetia and Dagestan.

Live long ... The FIU decided to tell you that there are 100-year-old pensioners in the country


The press service of the Pension Fund reports that the oldest pensioner in the country is at the age of 128. This is a female 1889 born from Chechnya.

What did the Pension Fund employees want to say with this information? The fact that the level of the retirement age in the country needs to be raised, since there are century-old pensioners who have been receiving a pension for almost half a century and have “financial pressure on the treasury of the PFR” for just a long life? ..

And why in the FIU do not give statistics about how many Russians simply do not live to retirement age?

Recall that the President of Russia, in his new May decree, set the goal of raising the life expectancy in the country by 2024 to 78 years, and by 2030 - to 80.

And this is the release of the FIU by means of the fund:
In accordance with the amendments to the budget of the Pension Fund of Russia, submitted to the government, the total expenditures of the Pension Fund’s budget for pensions will increase by 2017 billion rubles compared to 371 and amount to 7,35 trillion rubles. The amendments also provide for a reduction in transfers to the PFR budget from the federal budget for 68,3 billion rubles. This is due to the fact that during the execution of the PFR budget in the 2018 year, carry-over balances on 1 January 2018 will be used. In this way, dependence on the federal budget decreases.

In 2018, the size of the pension and social support of pensioners will only grow. The budget of the PFR - 2018 takes into account all measures envisaged by the legislation to increase pensions and social benefits, including indexation of insurance pensions by 3,7% (higher than inflation), pensions on state security - by 2,9%, monthly cash payments - by 2,5%.
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  1. jncnfdybr
    jncnfdybr 12 May 2018 10: 01
    33
    Let’s better calculate how much deputies get, and don’t do it.)))
    1. Logall
      Logall 12 May 2018 10: 10
      34
      Igor Sechin, head of Rosneft - 6 million 85 thousand rubles a day. IN A DAY! How much is retirement? - approximately - 405 pensions per day ... And how many of these employees do we have in state corporations?
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 12 May 2018 10: 17
        13
        Quote: Logall
        Igor Sechin, head of Rosneft - 6 million 85 thousand rubles a day. IN A DAY! How much is retirement?

        Only 12.000 pensions at 15.000 per month.
        This is easily solved by reducing the number of pensioners by “optimizing” the “health care system”. Even more surplus will remain. to contain a few more of the same effective managers.
        1. Logall
          Logall 12 May 2018 10: 20
          12
          I'm certainly not a sexist, but women live longer than men, and retire earlier! Moreover, their work is usually easier ...
          So, for reflection ...
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 12 May 2018 12: 49
            +7
            Let go early! They look after their grandchildren and help our children. Or are you against it!
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 12 May 2018 17: 32
              +1
              the largest number of pensioners aged 100 years and above live in the suburbs, the Republic of Bashkortostan, as well as in St. Petersburg and Moscow

              2 in St. Petersburg, 1 in Moscow, 2 in the suburbs and 94 in Bashkortostan?
              The photo is clearly Moscow ... The Kremlin is visible behind the hill.
              what
          2. Baby sitter
            Baby sitter 12 May 2018 13: 29
            +2
            Change gender :)
          3. sergo42
            sergo42 12 May 2018 13: 47
            +4
            Up to 60 years old men and a half do not live, in the FIU some old women are sitting, there are no old people! Where to go further? Maximum level of retirement of both men and women at 60 years.
          4. tap
            tap 12 May 2018 13: 48
            +1
            ... and they give birth to children.
          5. Tatyana
            Tatyana 12 May 2018 14: 46
            16
            Quote: Logall
            I'm certainly not a sexist, but women live longer than men, and retire earlier! Moreover, their work is usually easier ...
            So, for reflection ...
            I will provide explanations for those who do not know why women retired at 5 years earlier than men. All this was determined not by sociology, but physiology.

            The fact is that according to medical data, the female body ages earlier than the male. Namely, this is determined by the equality of the non-calendar age of men and women, and it is the equality of their biological age - i.e. at the time of termination of childbearing.
            In women, menopausal age in the country on average occurs at the end of menstruation at the age of 45-50 years, and in men, menopause occurs at the age of 50-55 years. Then comes the biological and physiological restructuring of the body to old age and old age. At the same time, the work of all organs changes, the composition of blood, the mineral composition of bones, etc. also change.
            Therefore, the Soviet system was such.
            Doctors took the highest indicator of biological aging at the end of the fertility of organisms in women of 50 years, in men of 55 years.
            Then, 5 years were added equally to these ages of equal biological aging of men and women - and they received the base retirement age:
            50 + 5 = 55 years - for women;
            55 + 5 = 60 years - for men.
            And then this basic retirement age was reduced by profession, taking into account their harmfulness and length of service.
            This was the fairest system for calculating the retirement of Soviet citizens.

            When we talk about the average longevity of citizens in a country, it arithmetically includes not only the age of long-loving pensioners, but also children who die at any age. Moreover, the reduction of infant and child mortality in the country arithmetically increases the average age of longevity of pensioners. Although this is essentially a crocheting of the authorities.
            For women, you need to consider maternal mortality in childbirth.
            For men, mortality in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, as well as mortality in accidents, drunkenness, smoking, etc., must be taken into account.
            When we talk about the average longevity of at least men, even women it is necessary to consider and separate people according to their working conditions. For example, they even have full or incomplete working days. A builder cannot be compared with a teacher.

            Once on the radio, one 75 teacher was offended for years that she was fired from school because she could still work and work because of her health. And she demanded an increase in the retirement age. For example, if you take a woman-molar at a construction site, then by the time she is 55, she has a polyarthritis disability. And with her heart, what the hell is that from the vapors of paint thinners that have breathed throughout her life.

            So someone lives for a long time, but not the full-time workers, with the processing of working hours, and even without annual leave in fact.
            Poor working conditions also contribute to early cancer. Many production workers - that men, that women - survive to retirement.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 12 May 2018 15: 02
              10
              Sorry for the typo. The window closed in time - so I did not have time to correct the typo.
              Quote: Tatiana
              Many production workers - that men, that women - survive to retirement.
              SHOULD BE.
              Many production workers - that men, that women - DO NOT live to retirement at the age of 60 and 55, respectively.
              1. Logall
                Logall 12 May 2018 20: 14
                +3
                I agree with you, Tatyana! love
                So I said earlier about engineering, that they can work after sixty ... But again, we will face a shortage of jobs ...
            2. would
              would 13 May 2018 09: 58
              +1
              In women, the climacteric age in the country on average occurs in the cessation of menstruation at the age of 45-50 years, and men have menopause at the age of 50-55 years.


              After this phrase you can not read.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 13 May 2018 16: 05
                0
                Quote: rait
                In women, the climacteric age in the country on average occurs in the cessation of menstruation at the age of 45-50 years, and men have menopause at the age of 50-55 years.
                After this phrase you can not read.

                Ha! Business! Remain sexually and socially illiterate! The flag is in your hands!
                1. would
                  would 13 May 2018 16: 45
                  0
                  I would be happy to remain medically literate and will be well aware that at least in domestic medicine, the term menopause describes and applies strictly to women and describes the specific state of the female reproductive and hormonal systems. And then in modern domestic medicine, this term is used infrequently and never as a diagnosis.

                  In no medical document you will not see any "male menopause." In men, a partially related condition in medicine is most accurately called "age-related androgen deficiency" or andropause (the term was created by analogy with menopause, but it is somewhat incorrect because there is no pause, there is a gradual and constant fading). And this condition does not necessarily develop with age, unlike women who for the most part have approximately the same age of extinction of sexual function, in men the andropause varies greatly across years, it does not always occur and men don’t have any “at the age of 50-55” for someone it develops at forty, for someone at 60, for someone never.

                  If you consider medical literacy "sexual and social illiteracy," then the flag is in your hands. You can call andropause menopause, and pollutions menstruation.
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 13 May 2018 18: 46
                    0
                    Quote: rait
                    And this condition does not necessarily develop with age, unlike women who for the most part have approximately the same age of extinction of sexual function, in men the andropause varies greatly from year to year, it does not always occur and men don’t have any “age 50-55 years” for someone it develops in forty, for someone in 60, for someone never.
                    At first. About NEVER heard if a person dies of old age.
                    Secondly. It is said that the data are SRED and given by doctors. And no arguing against the fact. Recently, just on the radio of Russia on this topic there was a one-hour broadcast with doctors.
                    Of course, in the average statistical sense, this means the average temperature of all patients in the hospital. In some patients, body temperature is normal, in others - it is too high, and others are already in the morgue.
                    Quote: rait
                    You can call andropause menopause, and pollutions menstruation.
                    REFERENCE
                    Andropause (male menopause): reasons, signs, adjustment
                    The word "menopause" has already become familiar: it is a period of extinction and cessation of a woman's fertility and menstrual cycle.
                    About how age-related changes in men go, much less is known. However, male menopause, aka andropause, is just as normal. As a rule, the first changes in the body of a man occur aged 50 +, although it is possible earlier.
                    What is the essence of andropause? First of all, a decrease in the level of male sex hormone testosterone in the body is characteristic. This is due to both a decrease in libido, and many other changes in the body. Often the process proceeds erased, almost imperceptibly, much more calmly than the fair sex. Nevertheless, some specifics of this period are somewhat similar to the female menopause.
                    See - https://myfamilydoctor.ru/andropauza-muzhskoj-kli
                    maks-prichiny-priznaki-korrektirovka /
                    1. would
                      would 13 May 2018 19: 19
                      0
                      At first. About NEVER heard if a person dies of old age.


                      To die before the onset is "never."

                      Secondly. It is said that the data are SRED and given by doctors. And no arguing against the fact.


                      Something I do not see here either facts or references to authoritative sources. I see only a link to another internet site of which there are billions and where they write everything.

                      For starters, let's take a look at the age and frequency of a certain “male menopause,” which supposedly, like a female, is found in all men

                      Mulligan T, Frick MF et al. Int J Clin Pract. 2006; 60: 762-9

                      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16846397

                      What is ncbi to explain? At least it's not some kind of radio there.

                      Picture 3 tells us that only 40% of men aged 55-64 have hypogonadism (the diagnosis of andropause is officially recorded at the moment). We can look further and see that even in the seemingly very old age of 85+, only 50% of men have hypogonadism. So what happens when men come? The male reproductive system is very different from the female as the hormonal one, and this is what allows the man to maintain the ability to conceive to the very old age, or even to death. The same applies to hormones and if they fall below the norm in all women, which often leads to various disorders, then in men this does not happen without exception and at very different ages. There are calls for a review of testosterone levels, but so far these are just calls and with nothing confirmed.

                      Then we open the ICD-10, which was approved by order of the Ministry of Health No. 170 in 1997 and is an internationally recognized classification of diseases and we are trying to find any menopause there.

                      http://mkb-10.com/

                      Something is not found, neither female nor male. There is no menopause there. But hypogonadism is there under the number E29.1.

                      So I will finish my message with your own quote

                      Remain sexually and socially illiterate! The flag is in your hands!


                      You can continue to consider that men have menopause and that it always comes "at the age of 50 +, although it is possible earlier."
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 13 May 2018 19: 31
                        0
                        would
                        You can continue to consider that men have menopause and that it always comes "at the age of 50 +, although it is possible earlier."

                        Ha! Well, then not a flag in your hands, but a young woman in your hands! And hold her tight so she doesn’t run away from you!
                        Well, the retirement age is 80 for you!
                        I wish you happiness!hi
                      2. would
                        would 13 May 2018 19: 42
                        +1
                        What is characteristic of the elephant in the original message I did not notice

                        Doctors took the highest indicator of biological aging at the end of the fertility of organisms in women of 50 years, in men of 55 years.


                        That is, it turns out men like women with age, the obligation to lose fertility .... I suppose these men also have menstruation?
                      3. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 13 May 2018 20: 55
                        0
                        Quote: rait
                        That is, it turns out men like women with age, the obligation to lose fertility .... I suppose these men also have menstruation?
                        Do not provoke me to the specifics, but the fact that I will tell you about the monthly cycles in men, you definitely have not read about it anywhere, just ask me stupid questions.

                        But here's to you, how eternally erotic a young man, from me a video to cheer you up! Better laugh together!

                        Galtsev and Winds. Wedding (Comedians of Russia.)
        2. moskowit
          moskowit 12 May 2018 10: 22
          +9
          So 15000 pension is well received by one of the 1000 pensioners. Bulk from 10000 to 13000 ....
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 12 May 2018 12: 51
            +2
            The biggest pension is the one who receives it (pension) the longest! We will live happily ever after, to the evil of our enemies, to the joy of friends.
            1. krops777
              krops777 12 May 2018 13: 11
              +2
              What did the Pension Fund employees want to say with this information?


              What they wanted to say, the PFR’s long-livers are eating, they have a plan of 20 years of life (246 months), and ideally, right after 1 month of retirement to the next world and more money will be left for the PFR’s personal needs, which is not clear.
              1. tap
                tap 12 May 2018 13: 51
                +2
                And what are FIU offices! Inverted?
                1. krops777
                  krops777 12 May 2018 14: 27
                  +1
                  And what are FIU offices! Inverted?


                  And then, such buildings were taken away. You’re given a miracle, not like the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but the salaries of the bosses, so this is a separate issue. sad
      2. ANCIENT
        ANCIENT 12 May 2018 10: 18
        +6
        Logall hi Alexander hi Greetings! Nobody has canceled the principle of "own hand, lord" to such micro-kings, therefore they have more than necessary!
      3. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 12 May 2018 10: 18
        18
        The Pension Fund, apparently, is dreaming that we would take our old people as Paleolithic and Neolithic, quietly to the forest and leave them there! And then you go - they live and live, unforgivably long .... why, in general - do these calculations ???
        And long-livers - health, LIVE LONGER - to the evil pension fund! good
        1. Petr1
          Petr1 12 May 2018 10: 54
          +6
          Quote: Hunter 2
          to evil pension fund!

          To spite Vladimir Vladimirovich, for he is a guarantor, and they simply don’t do anything without his knowledge in the state. If things go further against the people, then everything will end sadly, there is a nasty precedent with the princes. And they want to raise them some years later touches laughing your children will suffer for their parents. In vain the guarantor does this in vain, because he lives only at the expense of the people !!!
      4. Don
        Don 12 May 2018 10: 20
        +8
        Stop counting laughing And if you take a walk around the apartments of different colonels Zakharchenko, governors of the Khoroshavins and Evgeny Vasilyevs, then you’ll understand for whom different taxes and gas prices are raised for the population hi
        1. Logall
          Logall 12 May 2018 10: 23
          19
          Quote: Donskoy
          Vasiliev

          1. Don
            Don 12 May 2018 10: 30
            10
            Did not know. I thought that Serdyukov and his girlfriends are promoting father-in-law - Putin’s friend and former Prime Minister Zubkov. And here in general it turns out to be a whole viper belay
          2. Baby sitter
            Baby sitter 12 May 2018 13: 33
            0
            There is. I can stick forty more of these "sisters" in a row .... And at the same time, and your brothers .. someone with a beard, someone with paise, etc.
            1. Logall
              Logall 12 May 2018 18: 32
              +5
              You can stick anyone, but I’ll refute this one time! Can you refute this !? This topic has been going on since the fourteenth year, even the Medvedev family does not refute it ... It’s just that everyone in the press was hushed up, everything was quiet. And yesterday, as luck would have it, I was reviewing the materials of that year, and I came across my own bookmarks ...
          3. begemot20091
            begemot20091 13 May 2018 09: 24
            0
            http://newsland.com/community/7285/content/fin-tr
            eugolnik-zheny-medvedeva-linnik-svetlany-brat-ale
            ksandr-brat-viktor-neuzheli-eto-pravda / 6004375
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 12 May 2018 10: 12
      +1
      Are you jealous? Become a deputy and do nothing ... wassat
      1. Logall
        Logall 12 May 2018 10: 15
        24
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Are you jealous?
        Become a deputy and do nothing ...

        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 12 May 2018 10: 46
          23
          Logall Alexander hi
          laughing good
          A couple of years ago I discussed here about the need for us freebies from Central Asia, etc. With one talented leader laughing He argued so that we need to give the region the work of the Central Asians that the Russians are lazy and do not want to work for free. Two years have passed. The people who have come to it. The clumsy state policy on employing their citizens has paid off. Verdict is simple. At the expense of the lives of its citizens they try to cover up their absolute incompetence. And about raising the retirement age I want to ask. How do you want the people to have nothing to lose? I at work for five years buried five men. The youngest was 41. And I don’t need to fill in here that Russia was saved in 90. I’m sick from this. People want to live normally. And do not exist until death. Let the Medvedevs all sorts of others yourself and your retinue will reduce costs by dozens of times, for starters Starting from a drink at a very expensive price. Heap of all sorts of cottages and places of relaxation. It seems that they are constantly overworked.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 12 May 2018 10: 12
      +6
      A deputy is not a profession, but an abortion material of democracy. winked
    4. Evdokim
      Evdokim 12 May 2018 10: 29
      +6
      Quote: jncnfdybr
      Better to Count

      Let’s better calculate the percentage of survival, how many men of the total number live to this very pension, that’s what I would like to know. hi
      1. AUL
        AUL 12 May 2018 10: 48
        +9
        I’ve been solely out of harm, for 10 years I’m spoiling the mood of our FIU. I would like as much more, but, I'm afraid, the harm will not be enough.
        Let the FIU publish statistics, what percentage does not live up to retirement, and only then draw conclusions!
        1. Evdokim
          Evdokim 12 May 2018 11: 03
          +8
          Quote: AUL
          Let the FIU publish statistics, what percentage does not live up to retirement

          So I mean the same !!! I'm still up to retirement as before China. My father, both uncles, but many men simply did not live up to her, and they were not some drunks. hi
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 12 May 2018 15: 22
            0
            Unfortunately, for me, all distant relatives who did not survive to retirement had problems with alcohol. Some did not drink already, but the body was already sick anyway.
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 12 May 2018 12: 31
          0
          Quote: AUL
          I would like as much
          Why so much? Let them be hired after 50-70 years!
    5. max702
      max702 12 May 2018 10: 44
      +8
      All this is sad .. Kudrin at the helm, with Israel in the gums, the ruble at 77 per barrel 62 .. What else does the GDP need at 76% to start working for people? Sad ..
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 12 May 2018 11: 05
        +4
        the fact of the matter is that he no longer needs anything ... he already has USE with relatives and friends ...
      2. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 12 May 2018 13: 54
        +3
        But still, not everything is so simple. It is not a matter of harm. but in senility. The accession of Crimea to Russia is Putin’s merit. If he had stopped at this, and even though his friends and partners had dealt powerful blows to Russia, and the country had not collapsed, it also did not fall from the sky. He would have left this year. having prepared for himself a worthy change, he would have remained in the memory of the people as Putin of Taurida. But no, I don’t know, or he himself wanted to, or persuaded the toadies, but decided to reign over. And what - he is turning into a strange mixture of late Brezhnev and early Gorbachev. Thus, he killed the people hopes for the prosperity of Russia. But he could, like a good grandfather, take up the education of the younger generation, for example. He loves this business, and he succeeds. Today, in our town, children's theater groups (4-7 years old) held a festival on the occasion of the 105th anniversary of S. Mikhalkov (God knows what date). And what: children play and read poetry normally, they wear beautiful costumes, all have microphones. That would have played hockey with the kids, or arranged concerts. He loves it and is useful to people. And after all. what he did, turning into senility - ashamed!
    6. 210ox
      210ox 12 May 2018 11: 35
      +4
      I’m looking at the buildings where this FIU lives .... Obviously they’re not in poverty ...
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 12 May 2018 15: 18
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        I’m looking at the buildings where this FIU lives .... Obviously they’re not in poverty ...

        In Moscow, on the street Anokhin look, that's where the mansions, as I saw, immediately stopped paying fees.
    7. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 12 May 2018 13: 37
      +4
      Quote: jncnfdybr
      Let’s better calculate how much deputies get, and don’t do it.)))

      They have already raised their retirement age to 65 years on an initiative basis. Now you will kick their figs from the sovereign service. If they would wave Kyle in the face, they would have made a pension of 30 years.
  2. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 12 May 2018 10: 03
    21
    The decision to raise the retirement age, it seems, has already been made; now the population will simply pump up to smooth out the severity of the issue.
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 12 May 2018 10: 20
      +3
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      The decision to raise the retirement age, it seems, has already been made; now the population will simply pump up to smooth out the severity of the issue.

      If pensioners began to live out en masse to 100 years, it is necessary that they work at least up to 80 ...
      Then this bad habit will begin to disappear from them.
      1. nikolaev
        nikolaev 12 May 2018 20: 07
        0
        on the contrary, the higher the retirement age, the higher the life expectancy - this is according to the latest achievements of nanotechnology and the Skolkovo fund
    2. Igor V
      Igor V 12 May 2018 10: 53
      +3
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      The decision to raise the retirement age, it seems, has already been made; now the population will simply pump up to smooth out the severity of the issue.

      We, somewhere in February, slipped information that several people have been denied a pension since the beginning of the year - there were not enough points. Now they can retire after five years: women at 60, men at 65. So the train has already left, they only imitate the layout of the discussion.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 12 May 2018 11: 03
        +5
        Quote: Igor V
        We slipped information around in February

        Without reference to the source, this is called a “stuffing”. Or "sketch" as you like more.
        Quote: Igor V
        that since the beginning of the year several people have been denied a pension

        In your city? Areas? In the Russian Federation as a whole?
        Once again - where exactly is the information from?
        Quote: Igor V
        the train has already left, we only imitate the layout of the discussion

        "Imitate the layout" is strong.
        You are pulling an owl. Stop it. Owl against.
        1. Igor V
          Igor V 12 May 2018 11: 50
          +5
          Oh, the Golovans are distinguished by intelligence and quick wit, but they speak little. Here is another case. smile
          Since the last. As you quoted, “the train has already left”, that is, we can’t catch it anymore, therefore they demonstrate the layout of this train as if it were only still equipped (railway term). And since this is all allegorically stated, I decided to use the word "imitation". I think it’s understandable.
          Further. It is about Kaliningrad. Note in a free newspaper, such as "Evening tram", fellow countrymen will understand. I have a pile of this press, I’ll try to search, but it’s possible that this number has already gone to barbecue with us. I’ll try to find it, but you won’t get a copy of the passport from me! sad
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 12 May 2018 12: 13
            +3
            Quote: Igor V
            Note in a free newspaper such as "Evening Tram"

            Um ... and what not at once - on the fence?
            You see ... a link implies something nevertheless more significant.
            Although, in the absence of a stamp, it will do, but it will be clear what it is all about. So far, in your words, it ... is incomprehensible.
            Quote: Igor V
            Golovans differ in intelligence and quick wit

            Do not confuse. This is the difference between the Govorun bird.
            Golovan (aka tsehu) - an underground resident who knows how to conquer and kill by the strength of his spirit wink
            1. Igor V
              Igor V 12 May 2018 19: 10
              0
              "Age criteria. Depending on the type of pension that a citizen is applying for, he must be a certain number of years old. To receive labor pension benefits, a woman must be 55 years old and a man 60 years old, but for age benefits, the age range is large and according to the law, it increases immediately by 5 years: up to the 65th anniversary for the stronger sex; up to 60 for the fair half. "
              Source: sovets.net/16029-socialnaya-pensiya-po-starosti-v
              -2018-godu
              This is for those who do not have enough experience. And experience for many years did not play any role at all. And numerous workers of various state of emergency and limited liability partnership fall into this category.
              Could see for yourself if you are interested.
            2. nikolaev
              nikolaev 12 May 2018 20: 01
              +3
              well, there are doubts about your spirit. There are suggestions that it is used for bullying cockroaches, no more. So, when communicating with people, keep this spirit to yourself.
        2. nikolaev
          nikolaev 12 May 2018 20: 05
          0
          It seems that the treatment is not going in the right direction. The diagnosis is increasingly pessimistic.
    3. nikolaev
      nikolaev 12 May 2018 20: 09
      +1
      all kinds of verbiage will be included in the work - masters from black to do white and vice versa
  3. moskowit
    moskowit 12 May 2018 10: 05
    +4
    Recall that the President of Russia, in his new May decree, set the goal of raising the life expectancy in the country by 2024 to 78 years, and by 2030 - to 80.

    Here you have the "guardians" for the People milestones and are indicated. Forward to a total increase in the retirement age!
    "It was smooth on paper,
    yes forgot about the ravines.
    And walk on them ..... "(old soldier's song)
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 12 May 2018 10: 23
      +8
      Somehow it turns out that Russian centenarians are like strike breakers of the pension system for the people. But far from all, not everyone survives to retirement. Hence, our "accountants" from the PF and calculate the average life expectancy. Usually, by the age of 60, about one third of friends and acquaintances of their age are still alive with an ordinary Russian citizen, and by the age of 70, almost none. hi
      1. jncnfdybr
        jncnfdybr 12 May 2018 11: 15
        +5
        The fact of the matter is that somewhere in Dagestan, Ingushetia, etc. They live long, but somewhere in the regions they do not even reach retirement. So it turns out that on average we all eat cabbage rolls.)))
        1. 7gor
          7gor 12 May 2018 13: 46
          0
          I answer the troll under an incomprehensible nickname jncn .......! People in Dagestan also work and have the right to retire! In Dagestan they pump oil and gas, the proceeds of which go to the same Rosneft and Gazprom! And I won’t listen to you stub!
          1. 7gor
            7gor 12 May 2018 13: 48
            0
            I apologize for the loud conversation!
          2. jncnfdybr
            jncnfdybr 12 May 2018 17: 39
            +2
            And where did you get the idea that I am a troll? Judge by yourself ?. And where did I write that they do not work in Dagestan? Do not pay taxes? I meant that in different regions there is a different average age of life. About the stub. Could call you the same, well, I look you are already offended (by nature).
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 12 May 2018 15: 21
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        Somehow it turns out that Russian centenarians are like strike breakers of the pension system for the people. But far from all, not everyone survives to retirement. Hence, our "accountants" from the PF and calculate the average life expectancy. Usually, by the age of 60, about one third of friends and acquaintances of their age are still alive with an ordinary Russian citizen, and by the age of 70, almost none. hi

        I have about 50 less than a quarter left, and as previously mentioned, not everyone died from the green snake, and this is in Moscow (although ecology may even now, the complete lack of medicine in the city makes itself felt).
  4. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 12 May 2018 10: 13
    0
    Already wrote.
    The rescue of drowning people is in your hands.
    Well, what to do .... Rock the boat?
    Option.
    Specifically, will you go?
    No?
    Then think about how to live in old age.
    One out of two.
    1. solzh
      solzh 12 May 2018 10: 22
      +5
      Quote: Ecilop

      Then think about how to live in old age.

      I, like many in our country, want not to live, but to LIVE! Feel the difference? As an option, voting in the next election is not for representatives of the ruling "elite", for example, voting for communists. And with such considerations as yours, we will not budge the country, and will stagnate.
      1. Grim Reaper
        Grim Reaper 12 May 2018 10: 44
        +2
        Quote: solzh
        Quote: Ecilop

        Then think about how to live in old age.

        I, like many in our country, want not to live, but to LIVE! Feel the difference? As an option, voting in the next election is not for representatives of the ruling "elite", for example, voting for communists. And with such considerations as yours, we will not budge the country, and will stagnate.

        Do you think if the Communist Party wins then "vodka will turn into whiskey"?
        Yes, I also remember the USSR. The times of my childhood, 70s.
        But now is the 21st century.
        Alas ... But you have to think how to survive. Or live as you wrote.
        But do not fantasize that power will change and "vodka will turn into whiskey"
        We had a chance. Prosrali.
        Perhaps there will be more ... But not now. Not in this life.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 12 May 2018 12: 35
          +1
          Quote: Ecilop
          We had a chance. Prosrali.
          Well, more details angry
      2. nikolaev
        nikolaev 12 May 2018 20: 12
        +1
        to vote for the communists, in the beginning you need to disperse the Zyuganov shobla - the mafia of traitors to feed compradors
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 13 May 2018 07: 18
      0
      Quote: Ecilop
      One out of two
      There is a third option. The truth is more for young people. It’s called "time to blame." I have half of my friends and acquaintances preoccupied with this particular option. That's myself in thought.
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 14 May 2018 21: 49
        0
        Yes please. And I stay. My friends and acquaintances, too.
  5. Maximys
    Maximys 12 May 2018 10: 13
    18
    On the issue of raising the retirement age. We live in some regions for a long time, but work hard in others. Unfortunately, those who work hard do not live long what
  6. jncnfdybr
    jncnfdybr 12 May 2018 10: 15
    +7
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Are you jealous? Become a deputy and do nothing ... wassat

    I really envy, I can’t eat already. I understand you are a deputy ??)
  7. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 12 May 2018 10: 15
    +6
    Unlike the country's pension fund, to all our pensioners, I sincerely wish to live, and live as long as possible! hi
  8. AleBors
    AleBors 12 May 2018 10: 16
    18
    Yes, in general, the population became insolent .. They began to live up to 100 years. It’s time to reform health care ..
    1. jncnfdybr
      jncnfdybr 12 May 2018 10: 30
      +7
      Don’t say, no, to die at 60, they live and want more money. The retirement age has come, die but at the same time all your life, deduct the tax, and the pension fund that exists. )))
    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik 12 May 2018 15: 23
      0
      Quote: AleBors
      Yes, in general, the population became insolent .. They began to live up to 100 years. It’s time to reform health care ..

      In Moscow, Sobyanin did not let this matter go by chance, he reformed to the full .....
      1. AleBors
        AleBors 13 May 2018 22: 04
        +1
        That's for sure. There is no one to be treated for free (national authorities with diplomas bought), but there’s nothing for money. Quote from the ambulance doctor to the baby: “We looked, don’t die, but the local doctor will tell you how to treat you tomorrow, and we don’t know how to treat you.” And the baby at that time had a temperature under 40 ... And ... he left without doing anything and without saying. But he offered a bunch of pieces of paper for signature. Thank God it all ended well ...
  9. Gardamir
    Gardamir 12 May 2018 10: 24
    17
    Help Russia - die before retirement.
    1. jncnfdybr
      jncnfdybr 12 May 2018 10: 32
      +9
      And it is advisable to die the day before retirement.)))
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 12 May 2018 10: 48
      +3
      Quote: Gardamir
      Help Russia - die before retirement.

      Leonid do not distort. negative Russia always needs to be helped, and this is how to help the rulers die before retiring, that's the cuckoo in their ass.
      1. Grim Reaper
        Grim Reaper 12 May 2018 11: 02
        +1
        Quote: vovanpain
        Quote: Gardamir
        Help Russia - die before retirement.

        Leonid do not distort. negative Russia always needs to be helped, and this is how to help the rulers die before retiring, that's the cuckoo in their ass.

        Perfect, Vladimir!
        They will not wait!
  10. HAM
    HAM 12 May 2018 10: 30
    +7
    In Dagestan: wink
    A 90-year-old grandfather walks along the road and cries ...
    What are you crying, grandpa?
    Father beat with a stick ..
    For what!?
    And I threw a cockroach in a soup tossed!
    SO LET LIFE LIKE FATHER AND GRANDFATHER. Let the FIU not press on the old people who contained this FIU.
  11. sergo1914
    sergo1914 12 May 2018 10: 36
    +1
    And what is the average age of a FIU employee? Somebody knows? And the average educational level? They all finished high school? Have you got certificates?
    1. Grandfather Makar
      Grandfather Makar 12 May 2018 10: 44
      +3
      Quote: sergo1914
      And what is the average age of a FIU employee? Somebody knows? And the average educational level? They all finished high school? Have you got certificates?

      All with higher education and what? .. Do you think something depends on them and s / n 15-20 thousand bulk. (well, except for Moscow and other large cities)))
      1. cast iron
        cast iron 13 May 2018 17: 24
        0
        But the heads of departments for 100 official white z.p. "earn".
  12. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 12 May 2018 10: 41
    +3
    "Twist, twirl, I want to confuse" ... The impression that this is the motto of the FIU! Endless reforms and a change in the "rules of the game", with obscure scores, accumulative and other parts .. With an enviable frequency, scandals appear, due to theft, in regional offices. All this, inspires "great optimism" to the population, for the future. Everything is very foggy ..
  13. Grandfather Makar
    Grandfather Makar 12 May 2018 10: 41
    +2
    The liberals' favorite topic is starving pensioners and roads, corruption in Russia ... And we have the theme of Israel! There we can all recall and justify)))
  14. Sadko88
    Sadko88 12 May 2018 10: 45
    0
    You do not understand the point. Raising the retirement age is stimulating the population to lead a healthy lifestyle and, accordingly, live longer. Who works now will continue to work regardless of age, and lazy people even before retirement are now traded around her with the state
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 12 May 2018 10: 55
      +5
      Quote: Sadko88
      You do not understand the point. Raising the retirement age is stimulating the population to lead a healthy lifestyle and, accordingly, live longer. Who works now will continue to work regardless of age, and lazy people even before retirement are now traded around her with the state

      so you thought before writing?
      HLS is very good.
      But maybe the metallurgist, that Marten lost all his health, he decides that it is time. But not the government?
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 12 May 2018 11: 18
      +2
      If you lead a "healthy lifestyle", then you will not survive until retirement. Show me a long-lived athlete except deputies lol
    3. nikolaev
      nikolaev 12 May 2018 20: 20
      +1
      but the question is: who will leave the elderly at work? and even more so to hire?
      THIS is the GENOCIDE of the older generation!
      there is no money, but you get lost. For the air. But there will soon be problems - taxes will be introduced. This is capitalism! Absurd?
      But the more absurd the undertaking, the faster it makes its way.
      The bolder the lie, the more they believe it.
      This is the path of "development" offered to us after the USSR.
    4. cast iron
      cast iron 13 May 2018 17: 26
      0
      Yes, you are just an illiterate person. Miner, builder, chemical worker, factory / factory worker. 90% of them do not live to be 65 years old.
  15. alex3075
    alex3075 12 May 2018 10: 48
    +1
    "The Pension Fund of Russia once again announced that the average life expectancy in the Russian Federation is growing year by year." And they probably wanted to add "Sorry." The FIU considers the Ministry of Health's main enemy the FIU. If the Ministry of Health works well, then in the FIU everything is bad.
  16. Mefodi5124
    Mefodi5124 12 May 2018 11: 01
    +2
    It looks like Medvedev decided to exterminate the centenarians! Such money is wasted! Will become with him!
  17. jncnfdybr
    jncnfdybr 12 May 2018 11: 07
    12
    Everything is going to increase the retirement age. And who of them was trying to find work after 50 ?. We find a job after 50 big problem. Everyone wants a young, long-legged, but with extensive experience.)))
  18. Sadko88
    Sadko88 12 May 2018 11: 12
    0
    Quote: jncnfdybr
    We have a job after 50 big problem

    Then you need to become an employer smile
    1. jncnfdybr
      jncnfdybr 12 May 2018 11: 19
      +5
      Yeah, and all without exception. And who will work? I think you can’t do it alone.))
  19. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 12 May 2018 11: 30
    +5
    The Pension Fund in the amount of 120 people in the age of advanced computerization is an anachronism. There are dozens of ways to get rid of all PF branches (except the regional one) and at the same time save time, budget funds and reduce the number of unproductive areas.
    Look for comparison:
    How has the wages of the Pension Fund of Russia changed in recent years
    The wages of public sector employees over the past 18 years have been gradually increasing. If compared with the 2000s, in the period until 2015, salaries increased 15 times, from 2 rubles to 223 rubles. Although in 34 revenues increased rather slowly due to the low oil price, at the beginning of 030 the average monthly wage for employees of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation amounted to 2014 2016 rubles. This amount is 36% higher than in 525.
    Actual figures and payroll for employees of the Pension Fund of Russia
    This year, the average salary of employees of the pension fund will increase by 15%. In other words, the income of workers in this area will be significantly higher than the national average. But in real life, the salary does not exceed 27 rubles.
    Source: https://infinica.ru/zarplata-sotrudnikov-pensionn
    ogo-fonda-rossii-v-2018-godu.php

    27 x 000 x 120 = 000 rubles
    This amount costs the services of accountants for salaries ... And also the maintenance of buildings, the provision of papers, office equipment, etc.
    It’s easier for us to refuse their services in such a wide range and, reducing this staff every year by 3-5%, we will automatically calculate the pension for the last place of work or (for non-working, not gained experience) in the district administration.
  20. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 12 May 2018 11: 31
    +5
    The government, as always, is lying. Every year they increase the amount by which pension savings are divided for calculating points. and the number of points is reduced. For example: 2015-5,8, 2016- 5,08, 2017- 4,8 ... Plus, they increased the life expectancy to 72 years, thereby again reducing the appointed pension, now it’s somewhere around 13,7 thousand rubles .. Then will be less. They will increase the release period to 65 years for men, and most of them die at the turn of the year 61-63 ...
  21. Spike Javelin Touvich
    Spike Javelin Touvich 12 May 2018 11: 36
    +3
    All of them sraviya and happiness. My grandfather 1913 of the year and grandmother of 1924, the nannies of the great-grandchildren
  22. Proponent
    Proponent 12 May 2018 11: 45
    +2
    And this is what bothers me ...:

    List of the oldest people in the world:
    1 Jeanne Calman F February 21, 1875 August 4, 1997 122, 164 days Flag of France.svg France
    2 Sarah Knauss F September 24, 1880 December 30, 1999 119 years, 97 days Flag of the United States.svg United States
    3 Nabi Tajima F August 4, 1900 April 21, 2018 117 years, 260 days Flag of Japan.svg Japan

    That is, officially there are no people who have survived even to 123 years old !!! ... 128 ???
    1. farcop
      farcop 12 May 2018 12: 03
      +2
      Quote: Proponent
      And this is what bothers me ...:
      And let it not bother you, they gently toss the answer
      They live in the Chechen and Kabardino-Balkarian Republics, Ingushetia and Dagestan.
      1. Proponent
        Proponent 14 May 2018 14: 10
        0
        Fresh air and all that goes to the record: D
  23. Guillon
    Guillon 12 May 2018 12: 03
    0
    And why does the FIU not tell how much it launders our honestly earned money ?! am
    But the poor old people were counted and implicitly make it clear that you get "to hell", not for xp Dog! am
  24. Efrem mutny
    Efrem mutny 12 May 2018 12: 03
    12
    Our scammers strive with all their might to comply with the requirements of the IMF, WHO and others ... no matter how much they deny it. This liberal bourgeois government wanted to give a damn about the opinion of the plebs and the real state of affairs. It seems to them that the people do not see how they are bending before any organizations, through which the bourgeoisie rule the world. Take, at least, the fight against smoking, which is simply reduced to absurdity. Not only is there universal discrimination against the population on the basis of: smokes, does not smoke. Smoking has become a serious crime in the eyes of officials, although it has not been proven by anyone that all the passions that designers with unhealthy psyche paint on cigarette packs are derivatives of smoking, and if they can be the reason, how many% of cases ... Only words officials. In short, mockery of people covered by a plausible pretext for improving health. Are these laws constitutive? Or is it our constitution, written by a mattress, that provides for all this? As with the increase in retirement age, the IMF recommends "improving the economy" and it will be implemented with perseverance worthy of better application (for example, reindustrialization and an increase in the number of jobs), even though the fact that many people already do not live to retirement .. The capitalist ministers, as always, are looking for the path that leads to the violation of the rights of ordinary people, or their robbery. How can one not recall the USSR here? There was more truth and justice there.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 12 May 2018 12: 49
      +3
      Quote: Efrem Mutny
      .Take, at least, the fight against smoking, which is simply reduced to absurdity. Not only is there universal discrimination against the population on the basis of: smokes, does not smoke. Chickens

      I quit when I was 30, I haven’t been smoking for 15 years, now I don’t understand why I smoked. I am not against smokers at all, but it infuriates me when someone smokes next to me.
  25. fif21
    fif21 12 May 2018 12: 13
    +2
    Rosstat-life expectancy is growing! Seeing relatives and friends on the last journey, and you see that cemeteries are growing! hi
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 13 May 2018 17: 28
      0
      Cemeteries always grow - regardless of the increase in life expectancy
  26. cats
    cats 12 May 2018 12: 19
    +1
    The author of this pearl does the right thing that does not leave his signature on the article ..
    And then everything changes, all of a sudden they will start asking, for speculation, for sucking out a finger.
    The FIU just said that we have centenarians who, if not the FIU, should know about it.
    Here I would be glad .. But heaped up see only the bad, to the delight of our all-crawler .. negative
  27. Efrem mutny
    Efrem mutny 12 May 2018 12: 39
    +6
    Quote: Sadko88
    You do not understand the point. Raising the retirement age is stimulating the population to lead a healthy lifestyle and, accordingly, live longer. Who works now will continue to work regardless of age, and lazy people even before retirement are now traded around her with the state

    Very cynical stimulation is obtained. Especially when you consider that most people in the regions expect a pension as an additional payment for worked years, given that they have a salary of 15-20 K rubles. And they work hard, knowing that they retire at 10-15 To rub not live. Vicious circle. Just exploitation of employees in the Russian Federation is the highest in the world.
  28. Dormidont
    Dormidont 12 May 2018 12: 44
    +1
    It’s good that the liberals did not read the Bible, otherwise they would have known that Methuselah lived for almost a thousand years
  29. Tank hard
    Tank hard 12 May 2018 12: 44
    +1
    Maybe so, but too often my acquaintances, men from the age of 45, die ...
  30. Yves762
    Yves762 12 May 2018 12: 48
    +3
    Welcome to slavery !!!


    What did you want?
    Sami chose. wassat wassat wassat
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 12 May 2018 13: 44
      0
      Well, really !? I think that you are excessively radical, sorry)) Let's recall the definition of "slavery", at least))
      Another question is that the ideas and achievements declared by the State very often diverge from reality. Gos. the machine is often simply not able to provide the declared, by virtue of its device)
      Maybe so?)
      1. Yves762
        Yves762 12 May 2018 20: 41
        0
        Quote: The Siberian Barber
        Well, really !? I think that you are excessively radical, sorry)) Let's recall the definition of "slavery", at least))

        No, no, no ... No definition needed. It is necessary exactly how it is transmitted in the scene, where the frame comes from. laughing It is this, IMHO, the content / essence / quality / feeling of the real attitude of the Russian authorities (ILITA) to the Simple Population.

        Quote: The Siberian Barber
        Another question is that the ideas and achievements declared by the State very often diverge from reality. Gos. the machine is often simply not able to provide the declared, by virtue of its device)
        Maybe so?)

        There is no question about this. Here is a stated fact. There are other questions here:
        - 1st (idle, in the worst case "academic") - And what is it (and indeed what) do they need ?;
        - 2nd (in our realities, too, idle, but at best “practical”) - But it, everything is THIS, we need it!?!?
        1. Yves762
          Yves762 12 May 2018 21: 12
          0
          And before the heap ...
  31. iouris
    iouris 12 May 2018 12: 58
    +1
    There are also 80-year-old men in the country who have been drinking and smoking since 10 years. But there are very few of them.
  32. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 12 May 2018 13: 00
    +1
    the merits of the PFR leadership in that the transfer is not visible, it’s more likely that they are flawed, I visited the regional department somehow or whatever it is called, most of all I was struck by billiards in the basement, I haven’t seen such billiards for a long time
  33. Efrem mutny
    Efrem mutny 12 May 2018 13: 12
    +4
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Quote: Efrem Mutny
    .Take, at least, the fight against smoking, which is simply reduced to absurdity. Not only is there universal discrimination against the population on the basis of: smokes, does not smoke. Chickens

    I quit when I was 30, I haven’t been smoking for 15 years, now I don’t understand why I smoked. I am not against smokers at all, but it infuriates me when someone smokes next to me.

    I'm not talking about bans on smoking in non-equipped places. People should reckon with each other. I'm talking about excise taxes. Given the level of people's earnings in the regions, many of their friends are switching to cheaper grades, i.e. According to the logic of our rulers, they are apparently more useful ... I myself smoke about a pack a week and I don’t really bother with tobacco prices. It’s a pity to look at people who are switching to deshov, they are choking, but they can’t quit. It would be a real fight against smoking. The government would long ago have launched a program of free treatment for this addiction. Where is the money from excise taxes, which, after all, have been declared to be used for these purposes .... I won’t be surprised if they are actively stolen.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 12 May 2018 13: 32
      +4
      Quote: Efrem Mutny
      It would be a real fight against smoking. The government would long ago have launched a program of free treatment for this addiction.

      Figuy with lovers of freebies. Dear, your health is only your problem. If you want to smoke, smoke. If you want to plump, plump.
      If self-preservation mechanisms do not work in you, you yourself are an evil Pinocchio. And where does the government?
      So we get to the point that the government will blame that the apartment is a mess request
      1. nikolaev
        nikolaev 12 May 2018 19: 57
        +2
        Are you broadcasting from a psychiatric clinic?
        1. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 13 May 2018 07: 31
          +1
          I quit smoking at 45, smoked everything, from 767 to Herzegovina flora, but not in a row, in 98 I had to remember my youth and switch from LM to prima and aster, but I did not quit. I’ll say that for those who don’t get involved, and often smoke for the company, price is an important factor, they can’t afford good money and the hungry cooker doesn’t climb, so I don’t mind raising excise taxes, I repeat - I don’t smoke and do not advise others. And smokers just make me feel sorry. You are consumers, meat in the food chain producer - seller - consumer, you poison yourself and feed a huge army of those who parasitize on your habit.
          Treatment because the psychological dependence is one - do not smoke, everything else stands. I admit, I myself threw it hard.
  34. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 12 May 2018 13: 33
    0
    Quote: Logall
    And how many employees do we have in state corporations?

    2 in Russia. If and when the people take up the forks, will there be enough poles in Russia? recourse
    For pensioners, as you know: “There is no money” ..., but for the World Cup-2023 we already found hockey! And, ess, but in St. Petersburg. Where else.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 May 2018 14: 16
      +1
      No one will take up the pitchfork - because they will not know what it is and how to use it.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 12 May 2018 15: 58
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        No one will take up the pitchfork - because they will not know what it is and how to use it.

        You're lying! laughing I know, and I know how to use. wink
  35. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 12 May 2018 13: 44
    +2
    Regarding the 100 and 110 summer pensioners in the Caucasus ... I recall the episode from the movie "Formula of Love" .. [media = https: //my.mail.ru/mail/alex_puss
    o / video / 4211 / 4822.html]
    1. SHURUM -BURUM
      SHURUM -BURUM 12 May 2018 14: 02
      +4
      Health and longevity to veterans, but it’s one thing to drive, breathe and eat environmentally friendly lambs in the protected alps of the lamb, and it’s another thing to stand on a conveyor belt or at the machine tool while breathing in oil spray. It is more correct to ask, for example, how long they live in industrial areas, and not in nature reserves. But those who are always right have their own view of the problem.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 12 May 2018 14: 03
      +2
      PS
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      episode from the movie "Formula of Love" .. [media = https: //my.mail.ru/mail/alex_puss

      Do not pay attention to the link: it turned out not what I wanted ...
  36. Efrem mutny
    Efrem mutny 12 May 2018 13: 44
    +4
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Efrem Mutny
    It would be a real fight against smoking. The government would long ago have launched a program of free treatment for this addiction.

    Figuy with lovers of freebies. Dear, your health is only your problem. If you want to smoke, smoke. If you want to plump, plump.
    If self-preservation mechanisms do not work in you, you yourself are an evil Pinocchio. And where does the government?
    So we get to the point that the government will blame that the apartment is a mess request

    But you don’t think that smokers, through excise taxes, paid for their right to free treatment for smoking tobacco. Where is the freebie here? You count how many babos have been removed from smokers during the years of “struggle”. And where are they. Moreover, Medvedev himself announced in the media in the year 13 that these funds will go to health improvement events ... But you need to keep your word.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 12 May 2018 13: 56
      +1
      Quote: Efrem Mutny
      Do not you think that smokers, through excise taxes, paid their right to free treatment for smoking tobacco?

      Right And the Alconauts are not coercion from alcoholism ...
      See la ... IMHO it doesn’t matter who is there and what he paid for.
      Until a person is determined not to thump, he will thump. Until victory. I personally saw a lot of examples.
      The same goes for smoking.
      Quote: Efrem Mutny
      in the year 13, Medvedev himself stated in the media that these funds will go to health improvement events

      I did not find where he was there and what he stated. But promises allow all income from selling tobacco to the population (or even from increasing excise taxes) to fight smoking there was not exactly yes
      Quote: Efrem Mutny
      You count how many years babos took off smokers over the years of "struggle"

      This is not interesting to me.
      Yes, I myself smoke, if it is. For a long time, about 40 years, I’m used to it already request
      1. Efrem mutny
        Efrem mutny 12 May 2018 14: 25
        +4
        Well, about a booze, it can be easy to quit, but with a smoke it’s more complicated and many do not. I smoke, the same, for more than 20 years, quit unsuccessfully many times. Now I smoke about a pack a week. A year ago, he limited himself for no reason ... he simply began to smoke less. But my grandfather, who went through all the wars, starting from the 1st World War, smoked a lot and lived 98 years. Is smoking harmful and why has WHO organized this fight? H.Z. Most likely this is collecting dough on a plausible pretext, and for introducing discord on the principle of "Divide and conquer."
  37. net0103net
    net0103net 12 May 2018 13: 52
    +8
    It is not life expectancy that is growing, but the number of non-Russians who were given the command to settle throughout the Russian Federation in the 2000s. Dagestan, for example, is very "helping" to keep the population of the Russian Federation outside the territory of Dagestan itself. There, the colossal forced birth rate was all 20 years of liberalism, and all young animals were driven from their side (not ours) from there to here. But Russian and Soviet pensioners held fast to the last, but ... for some reason they quickly died out in the period from 2002 to 2015. All this time they said the following to me - the refrigerators in the morgues suddenly became full. They were preoccupied with neatly dressed elderly people of different ages and ... they often didn’t have any documents, nobody came for them ... I can’t write the rest here. In the same period there was a thorough blackening of Moscow. And we are not talking about illegal immigrants. In my practice there was such a case - I hold in my hand a passport, Russian, straight from the tin, of that period, it says - Kamala Zahiri, Russian! ??????? But .. Kamala did not speak either Russian or writing, but she knew her native language very well. As soon as the case smelled fried on my mobile, her husband drew in - the owner of three rather large leather stores in Moscow. And then, right along the way, on the fly, practically without leaving my place, I was still dealing with two Armenian officers of our Russian FSB, and they accused me ... of fraud !! ))) But then it was not very funny. It was very sad and hard to see and understand - they are the masters of what they have and what I have. I am a Slav in the 10th generation, then there are simply no documents. There is Tambovism by mother, Ivanovsky by father. My ancestors are peasant farmers and Ryazh Cossacks. Then it cost me dearly .. not to smash the heads of these two Armenians against each other. They were not fighters in general, but used the power in their own interests to the fullest. Therefore, believe it or not, the roof of the Turkish skin in Moscow is the Armenians in the FSB .... It would be very funny if I were an American ... And this is far from an isolated case, it just very clearly demonstrates the essence a question. I completely forgot to mention that I was dealing with Kamala and her roof in an ordinary Russian apartment. Of course, they already managed to put their carpets in places, but ... the apartment was easily recognizable, other people lived there all their life and not so long ago "moved out" from there. Such apartments are not rented out, it is not too rich, but not a hole, just a solidly inhabited apartment. I was comfortable, despite the burqa on Kamala, national outfits and Turkish rugs. Even now, years later, I had a persistent feeling that somewhere there in another room stood a grandfather of a veteran and a grandmother-business manager. They stood, but the words could no longer utter .... ((
    Total, in short. At the moment, in Moscow and the region there is no increase in average life expectancy. Just retirees have become much less than it should have been. And those that remain are indeed already very old. And yet, the "renewal" of the population of Moscow, because of which it has already irrevocably changed the color and lifestyle, and the question of which ways and where the Soviet pensioners went, are directly connected. You can verify this if you study the origin of the current owners of housing and other real estate in Moscow and the region. In the pension fund they look only at the numbers and postscripts that they want to cook up, they do for the reason that our grandfathers and grandmothers all this time simply lived and did not "grieve". But this is completely wrong .. here in Moscow. As for other cities, I can’t say anything within the framework of this portal - there is not enough reliable information.
  38. impostor
    impostor 12 May 2018 13: 59
    +5
    Retirement age will definitely increase. Capital does not have a human face, only an animal grin. They were just lucky with a people suffering from hardship
  39. Normal ok
    Normal ok 12 May 2018 14: 03
    +1
    The press service of the Pension Fund reports that the oldest pensioner in the country is 128 years old.

    Ay well done. It is necessary to raise the bar of retirement age right up to 100 years.
  40. Zomanus
    Zomanus 12 May 2018 14: 05
    0
    They are interested in cost reduction.
    That is, ideally, that a person would die immediately when retiring.
    I propose that the FIU make an action-100% payment of the funeral in case of
    death within 5 years after retirement.
    Let them pay the entire estimate directly.
    I think this will find a response and approval in the government.
    1. net0103net
      net0103net 12 May 2018 21: 53
      0
      Well done. Well suggested. )))
  41. Sadko88
    Sadko88 12 May 2018 14: 08
    0
    Quote: Efrem Mutny
    knowing that retirement at 10-15 K rub can not live

    I have a grandmother, she lives in the Moscow Region on a pension of 19000, taking into account all the compensations. 6-7 tr at the same time he puts off every month and forbids us to help her even with products ... Pride does not allow. In regions it is even easier, and in heavy ones there are surcharges. But what pensioners have is lazy and uninitiated children and grandchildren waiting for their pension for their own needs I will not argue. Especially in opposition just pulls
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 12 May 2018 20: 26
      +1
      Quote: Sadko88
      In regions it is even easier

      Is it easier?
    2. net0103net
      net0103net 12 May 2018 22: 28
      +1
      You do not know life, so you judge it by your grandmother. Do not forget her, visit her. There is nothing worse than the old people abandoned in the city. There can only be abandoned children. And do not judge others, you know nothing because ... ESPECIALLY IN THE REGIONS ((.
    3. cast iron
      cast iron 13 May 2018 17: 40
      0
      And here is the capitalist propagandist-storyteller drew)))))
  42. Efrem mutny
    Efrem mutny 12 May 2018 15: 33
    +1
    Quote: Sadko88
    Quote: Efrem Mutny
    knowing that retirement at 10-15 K rub can not live

    I have a grandmother, she lives in the Moscow Region on a pension of 19000, taking into account all the compensations. 6-7 tr at the same time he puts off every month and forbids us to help her even with products ... Pride does not allow. In regions it is even easier, and in heavy ones there are surcharges. But what pensioners have is lazy and uninitiated children and grandchildren waiting for their pension for their own needs I will not argue. Especially in opposition just pulls

    Lives or exists? sad Although 19 is already closer to the salaries of workers and taking into account the reduction in needs, you can probably live with age ... But this again is not an indicator, this is Moscow. And in the regions it’s getting worse. So you have to work all the way, while there is an opportunity, until they kick out with a kick. And yet, children, grandchildren ... The tradition is this in Russia - to help them at any age ... It also annoys me, but what to do.
  43. Efrem mutny
    Efrem mutny 12 May 2018 16: 23
    +1
    Quote: Tatiana
    Quote: Logall
    I'm certainly not a sexist, but women live longer than men, and retire earlier! Moreover, their work is usually easier ...
    So, for reflection ...
    I will provide explanations for those who do not know why women retired at 5 years earlier than men. All this was determined not by sociology, but physiology.

    The fact is that according to medical data, the female body ages earlier than the male. Namely, this is determined by the equality of the non-calendar age of men and women, and it is the equality of their biological age - i.e. at the time of termination of childbearing.
    In women, menopausal age in the country on average occurs at the end of menstruation at the age of 45-50 years, and in men, menopause occurs at the age of 50-55 years. Then comes the biological and physiological restructuring of the body to old age and old age. At the same time, the work of all organs changes, the composition of blood, the mineral composition of bones, etc. also change.
    Therefore, the Soviet system was such.
    Doctors took the highest indicator of biological aging at the end of the fertility of organisms in women of 50 years, in men of 55 years.
    Then, 5 years were added equally to these ages of equal biological aging of men and women - and they received the base retirement age:
    50 + 5 = 55 years - for women;
    55 + 5 = 60 years - for men.
    And then this basic retirement age was reduced by profession, taking into account their harmfulness and length of service.
    This was the fairest system for calculating the retirement of Soviet citizens.

    When we talk about the average longevity of citizens in a country, it arithmetically includes not only the age of long-loving pensioners, but also children who die at any age. Moreover, the reduction of infant and child mortality in the country arithmetically increases the average age of longevity of pensioners. Although this is essentially a crocheting of the authorities.
    For women, you need to consider maternal mortality in childbirth.
    For men, mortality in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, as well as mortality in accidents, drunkenness, smoking, etc., must be taken into account.
    When we talk about the average longevity of at least men, even women it is necessary to consider and separate people according to their working conditions. For example, they even have full or incomplete working days. A builder cannot be compared with a teacher.

    Once on the radio, one 75 teacher was offended for years that she was fired from school because she could still work and work because of her health. And she demanded an increase in the retirement age. For example, if you take a woman-molar at a construction site, then by the time she is 55, she has a polyarthritis disability. And with her heart, what the hell is that from the vapors of paint thinners that have breathed throughout her life.

    So someone lives for a long time, but not the full-time workers, with the processing of working hours, and even without annual leave in fact.
    Poor working conditions also contribute to early cancer. Many production workers - that men, that women - do not survive to retirement.

    Well explained. But it was all under socialism ... The capitalist ministers have their own views on how to dispose of "livestock." You understand that nothing will change and it is disgusting from despair.
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 13 May 2018 17: 41
      0
      For whom they voted 30 years in a row, they got it.
  44. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 12 May 2018 17: 36
    +2
    Representatives of the Pension Fund of the country decided to tell about the fact that such citizens live in Russia, who crossed 100 and 110-year-olds, receiving the required pension.

    Through teeth and swearing in a whisper ...
  45. Yuri Korabelsky
    Yuri Korabelsky 12 May 2018 19: 34
    0
    So what is this age? Barely sitting. We have for more years, and run! And don't give sixty!
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  47. Sadko88
    Sadko88 12 May 2018 23: 40
    0
    Quote: Efrem Mutny
    Lives or exists

    Lives of course. And she believes that rich smile The pension includes compensation for the payment of communal and telephone. That is, from pension 6 tr goes to pay. 19-6 = 13 of them for food and books, somewhere 6-7. Food per day 2-3 jars of baby food with beef, porridge with milk oats, chicken broth soup, grain bread, bagels or gingerbread cookies. Chicory, chamomile with tea. Sometimes salmon or trout. Cream cheese with mushrooms or ham. And yes, trying to help. Only we, her grandchildren, are self-sufficient people and we won’t take the ruble with the eldest in the family. It’s not in the region. In education and pride. Especially if a man wants to be the head of the family.
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 13 May 2018 17: 46
      0
      Tales for adults. In Moscow, only for housing and communal services in an apartment at least 5000 per month leaves. But there is still electricity. There is also an annual property tax - it has grown substantially since 2011 and has been growing every 3 years. With normal nutrition, no frills take 6000-7000 thousand. Books overboard. You fabulously forgot to talk about medicines for your grandmother. Or maybe there is no grandmother? And accordingly, she does not need medicine. Grandma also sits at home for years and does not go anywhere. There are no transportation costs in the estimate.
  48. Secretparadox
    Secretparadox 13 May 2018 02: 14
    +1
    It is ridiculous to watch how some people still doubt that the retirement age will be raised, they think that Father Putin will protect them.
  49. cradle
    cradle 13 May 2018 07: 10
    0
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    The decision to raise the retirement age, it seems, has already been made; now the population will simply pump up to smooth out the severity of the issue.

    And your task as a paid troll is to raise a “wave”. There is a topic, not a topic, but to excite people ... hatred of such. Sit on the mattress and don’t croak.
  50. cradle
    cradle 13 May 2018 07: 12
    0
    Quote: SecretParadox
    It is ridiculous to watch how some people still doubt that the retirement age will be raised, they think that Father Putin will protect them.

    We did not dedicate GDP to the dignity ... and we will see the rest.