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Medvedev and pension. Cunning statistics on life expectancy in the early USSR

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Dmitry Medvedev, who was appointed to the post of the government, was one of the priority measures for the new Cabinet of Ministers, who called for a review of legislation in the pension sphere. Medvedev said that the bar of retirement age should be reviewed in the light of current realities. From the statement of the Prime Minister (quotes “Russia 24”):
We need to make a decision about the retirement age. The former retirement framework was adopted, in fact, in the 1930s, when the average life expectancy was in the 40 area of ​​years. The system is increasingly influenced by demographic changes, and the future government must take all this into account, the system is not ideal, it needs to be improved.



If we turn to the statistics, which is presented in the work of B. Urlanis “Birth rate and life expectancy in the USSR” from 1963, then it is stated that for 1939 a year, the average life expectancy in the USSR was 42. However, when meeting with these statistics, it is necessary to focus on the fact that in the 30-ies of the last century, infant and child mortality contributed significantly to the statistics on average life expectancy. At least one third of the children born at that time did not live to be 5-years old. For obvious reasons, this factor led to the figures for life expectancy mentioned by Medvedev.

Medvedev and pension. Cunning statistics on life expectancy in the early USSR


However, in his speech, not a word was said that in modern families the number of children more than three is rare, in contrast to what was in the USSR in the same 30s. Therefore, it turns out that an increase in the average life expectancy in a country does not mean at all that the number of elderly people has significantly increased.

Medvedev:
The government will prepare its proposals in the shortest perspective and submit it to the State Duma. I hope we will be able to consider them.


Recall that earlier, even Alexei Kudrin spoke against raising the retirement age, saying that in the current macroeconomic conditions this would not have a positive effect.
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  1. BZTM
    BZTM 10 May 2018 07: 43
    +49
    We need to decide on retirement age
    Come on, Medvedev! Burn, Medvedev! I won’t live up to this pension, so you’ll probably act! We will let pensioners know as a class !!! laughing
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 10 May 2018 07: 49
      +35
      Quote: BZTM
      Let us retire as a class !!!

      Capitalist dream
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 10 May 2018 07: 55
        +14
        Medvedev and pension. Cunning statistics on life expectancy in the early USSR
        Quote: Benjamin Disraeli is the English statesman of the Conservative Party of Great Britain, the 40th and 42nd Prime Minister of Great Britain in 1868, and from 1874 to 1880.
        There are three types of lies: lies, blatant lies and statistics.
        1. Logall
          Logall 10 May 2018 08: 14
          +30
          The previous framework for retirement was taken, in fact, in the 1930s, when life expectancy was around 40 years.
          that is, he openly says that people should not live up to retirement, for the most part ...
          1. Separ DNR
            Separ DNR 10 May 2018 08: 19
            +7
            Quote: Logall
            that is, he openly says that people should not live up to retirement, for the most part ...

            The economy must be economical yes wink

            The phrase, however, was not spoken by Medvedev, but L.I. Brezhnev, but it seems your new prime minister decided not to bother, and not look for other ways of planning and replenishing the budget, but to be guided by it.
            1. Logall
              Logall 10 May 2018 08: 47
              +34
              Sergey, then the question creeps in: why am I paying to a pension fund; what is the funded part of the pension; then why strive to get a white zp ...?
              The average life expectancy of men in 2014 was 59.1! More than half do not survive! I doubt that something has changed in five years ...
              It is necessary to raise the retirement age for officials and office workers: they then profit from the workers, who, in turn, do not survive to retirement!
              1. Separ DNR
                Separ DNR 10 May 2018 08: 59
                +15
                Quote: Logall
                Sergey, then the question creeps in: why am I paying to a pension fund; what is the funded part of the pension; then why strive to get a white zp ...?

                If today the people have a question that offends him "for the living," then tomorrow he will start to do something to minimize his costs wink ...
                Again, “gray schemes” will go ... In short, what they tried to get away from, then we return to that.
                Stomping on the spot, and trampling the people's faith in the justice of power into the mud.
              2. APIS
                APIS 10 May 2018 09: 02
                +22
                Quote: Logall
                Sergey, then the question creeps in: why am I paying to a pension fund; what is the funded part of the pension; then why strive to get a white zp ...?
                The average life expectancy of men in 2014 was 59.1! More than half do not survive! I doubt that something has changed in five years ...
                It is necessary to raise the retirement age for officials and office workers: they then profit from the workers, who, in turn, do not survive to retirement!

                These characters have one more reason - they do not want to retire (a fresh example of Tuleyev), they dream of decomposing right in the chair.
                1. Logall
                  Logall 10 May 2018 09: 10
                  +16
                  Quote: APIS
                  right in the chair they dream to rot.

                  Jerry Pratchett has a slogan of one zombie, just right for such characters: "die - maybe leave - never!"
              3. NKT
                NKT 10 May 2018 09: 06
                +13
                22% of which we pay the pension fund: 16% for the maintenance of current pensioners, 6% for the payment of our own pension, which is already frozen for 4 years and goes to the payment of current pensions.

                About the "white salary" is also somewhat disingenuous, forgetting to talk about the cutoff amount of about 85t per month. Anything higher than this amount does not affect our pension in any way, even if you get 300tr, a pension with a person of 85tr will be the same.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 10 May 2018 09: 53
                  +14
                  Those who have EVERYTHING GOOD, simply manipulate, adjust the numbers as they need ... sales are not crafty, JUST LIE!
                  Capitalism, however, will not be better; there is simply no reason for the authorities to make any changes! They are doing well!
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 10 May 2018 10: 21
                  +6
                  That's why, for those who have a salary of more than 85tr, it is better to save each month in a savings account or invest in precious metals, after decades there will be a decent "pension" to the main one.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 10 May 2018 10: 43
                    +13
                    At who have something to put off!
                    I know a lot of such people work, they do not wave a broom, but in large enterprises in different specialties! Anyway, they can not afford very much!
                    They don’t survive, of course, they just live modestly, without excesses!
                    1. Simargl
                      Simargl 10 May 2018 12: 39
                      +1
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      That's why, for those who have a salary greater than 85tr better

                      Quote: rocket757
                      At who have something to put off!

                      Well, with 85+ sput, I think there is.
                  2. Alf
                    Alf 10 May 2018 22: 03
                    +5
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    in decades, there will be a decent “pension” from it, to the main one.

                    This is provided that the state does not “optimize” them. But there are no problems with “optimization” in modern Russia.
                  3. kakvastam
                    kakvastam 18 June 2018 17: 16
                    +1
                    Any trick, becoming massive, loses effectiveness. If there is nobody to work, then there will be nobody to buy the accumulated.

                    Give birth more, there will be no pension!
              4. your1970
                your1970 10 May 2018 09: 56
                +7
                Quote: Logall
                It is necessary to raise the retirement age for officials
                -And you probably don’t know what we, civil servants, have been raising for a year now - for men up to 65 women up to 63 ??
                1. alexbg2
                  alexbg2 10 May 2018 11: 09
                  +13
                  Medvedev’s logic is very understandable, it is necessary to bring the average life expectancy and retirement age with a ratio of the 30s, i.e. a person must retire 20 years after the alleged death, for today, when the average life expectancy is about 72 years, retirement should be at 92 years. This is the logic of the invader, you don’t spend money on all sorts of human balances.
                2. Logall
                  Logall 10 May 2018 12: 54
                  +3
                  Quote: your1970
                  we, civil servants, have been raised a year already - for men up to 65 women up to 63 ??

                  There are all the rules (I didn’t know!), But they forgot about engineering ... And of course, due to health reasons, retirement cannot be canceled ...
                3. kakvastam
                  kakvastam 18 June 2018 17: 30
                  +1
                  We are in the know.
                  As well as being aware that this did not cause any mass indignation on the part of public servants.
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 10 May 2018 12: 42
        +12
        Quote: Vadivak
        Capitalist dream
        Given the fact that getting a job at an older age, especially in hazardous and complex industries, is not very easy - you still need to introduce a parasitism tax and it will be a fairy tale in general!
    2. Nick
      Nick 10 May 2018 11: 20
      +5
      Quote: BZTM
      We need to decide on retirement age
      Come on, Medvedev! Burn, Medvedev! I won’t live up to this pension, so you’ll probably act! We will let pensioners know as a class !!! laughing

      It may be better not to live out. Do you think on 13 thousand per month live happiness? You can live of course, but only in total saving mode.
      1. Severok
        Severok 10 May 2018 13: 36
        +13
        13 tr in month do not live. We consider: a communal apartment of 30 sq.m. Murmansk about 5-6 tr./month; social bread 13 long loaf, black from 30 \ 400 gr loaf, potato from 30, apples from 100, pasta from 30, onions from 20, fish from 200 (cf-en-blue whiting, frozen pollock), passage 28 p., meat from 250 (set of bones from 50), chicken from 250, cucumber from 95 r, tomato from 160 r., kindergarten from 1500, baby food for a month. up to a year from 2500, after a year from 2000 (you can save on vegetables), milk from 56, kefir from 60, cottage cheese 250 gr - 125 r ..

        Medvedev’s appointment to the government = spitting in the face of the people, shame and further ruin of the population.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 10 May 2018 14: 04
          +7
          You are wrong only in one thing, the whole system of our power is what people suffer from!
          This is capitalism and all zakidontsy about it, such as with a human face, at fantasy!
          Of course we can live with him, but in our case we have not crossed the stage of wild capitalism and what awaits us ahead, but FIG knows! I have no illusions, and you?
    3. 23424636
      23424636 10 May 2018 17: 09
      +4
      this was an experiment to destroy the retirement age at the prompt of IMF comrades in Ukraine. Particularly in this, Azarov whining in exile was particularly zealous, they transferred women to 60 years old. I think their enthusiasm was supported financially by the curators. When they were preparing this pension code, they managed to introduce lowering salary coefficients during the USSR period, lowering them for calculation by 30 times (by calculating the cost of a burger in Kiev in 89 and at the present time). And his current colleague in the Party of Regions Poroshenko (Valtsman) through his Groysman’s prime minister for calculating pensions (at the command of the IMF) requires 25 years of insurance experience, which they began to accrue only in 2004. ..Paradox. The result -pensions start at 1300 UAH, which is 2800 Russian rubles, and this figure is for almost everyone. .
  2. Evil 55
    Evil 55 10 May 2018 07: 45
    +8
    Well, with this first step as prime minister, DAM is already starting to dig a small and convenient political grave for herself ..
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 10 May 2018 07: 50
      +40
      Quote: Angry 55
      Well, with this first step as prime minister, DAM is already starting to dig a small and convenient political grave for herself ..

      He’s political and we’re real
    2. Moore
      Moore 10 May 2018 07: 53
      +24
      Quote: Evil 55
      Well, with this first step as prime minister, DAM is already starting to dig a small and convenient political grave for herself ..

      Well, that is unlikely. For the gravedigger is not visible - neither in the near nor in the distant future. He was put forward by the one who received an unprecedented percentage of popular trust - he will sit still.
      1. Evil 55
        Evil 55 10 May 2018 07: 55
        +9
        N-yes, natural bestiality on the part of the Guarantor will pass by Such Bearish pranks ..
        1. victor50
          victor50 10 May 2018 08: 16
          +26
          Quote: Evil 55
          N-yes, natural bestiality on the part of the Guarantor will pass by Such Bearish pranks ..

          You can go crazy !!! Do you believe in a very naughty independent adult playful !!! !!! ???
      2. basmach
        basmach 10 May 2018 10: 10
        +19
        And those who voted for the "irreplaceable" -automatically voted to increase the retirement age. Now what whine. Having removed their head, they do not cry through their hair.
        And this is only the beginning of the "care of the people" "popularly elected" by the hands of DAM and Co. And on the way there are also property taxes, etc.
    3. Petr1
      Petr1 10 May 2018 08: 10
      +24
      Well, with this first step as prime minister, DAM is already starting to dig herself
      And Vladimir Vladimirovich, as you may notice, !!!!
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 10 May 2018 09: 10
        +13
        Quote: Petr1
        etozh all Dimon bastard

        Wow, these boyars am am am ...
    4. victor50
      victor50 10 May 2018 08: 13
      +5
      Quote: Angry 55
      Well, with this first step as prime minister, DAM is already starting to dig a small and convenient political grave for herself ..

      Something in no way ... for how many years ...
      1. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka 10 May 2018 08: 48
        +9
        Quote: victor50
        Something in no way ... for how many years ...

        from which we can conclude that we are led by a political dead fellow
    5. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 10 May 2018 08: 43
      +13
      Quote: Angry 55
      DAM is already starting to dig a small and comfortable political grave for herself ..

      This is a political step of Putin, not DAMA. Accordingly, the grave will not be ladies'. hi
    6. kakvastam
      kakvastam 10 May 2018 10: 32
      +5
      Well, until the twenty-fourth everyone will sit, and there you can be the president.
      And political corpses are where there is politics, we even Serdyukov livelier than all living ...
    7. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 10 May 2018 10: 55
      +4
      Quote: Evil 55
      Well, with this first step as prime minister, DAM is already starting to dig a small and convenient political grave for herself ..

      Yes, how many do not bury it, it still turns out to bury it only to the waist ... That same zinger. request
    8. kakvastam
      kakvastam 18 June 2018 17: 35
      +2
      Does it shake him? He is not a politician even once, an ordinary functionary on a salary. It is important for him that the bosses be pretty, and it is completely satisfied with his work.
      You will recall how many years all sorts of dummies predicted his quick resignation!
    9. karabas86
      karabas86 26 June 2018 17: 54
      0
      Not in our country.
  3. Vard
    Vard 10 May 2018 07: 47
    +30
    Out of my class ... and these are seventeen men ... I alone survived to sixty ... And there were and say not drinkers and alcoholics ... and even that is unlikely to last more than a couple of years ... By the way, the police leave retired at thirty-five ... and continue to work as security guards ...
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 10 May 2018 07: 50
      +18
      Quote: Vard
      up to sixty only I survived ..

      God give you health hi
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 10 May 2018 07: 53
      +18
      And I’ve been retired for 18 years .... Out of harm! tongue
      1. Zubr
        Zubr 10 May 2018 07: 59
        +3
        From harm or harm? =))))
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 10 May 2018 08: 26
          +9
          Only out of harm! So to speak, in spite of the pension fund ... lol
    3. Zubr
      Zubr 10 May 2018 07: 54
      +19
      I 50, eighth classmates already buried men. And also not alcoholics and parasites.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 10 May 2018 08: 01
        +12
        Quote: Zubr
        I 50, eighth classmates already buried men. And also not alcoholics and parasites.

        I'm 55, it’s also half a class gone .., and the girls, also catch strokes with heart attacks ... (((
        1. solzh
          solzh 10 May 2018 10: 51
          +8
          Quote: Zubr
          I 50, eighth classmates already buried men. And also not alcoholics and parasites.

          Quote: Andrew Y.

          I'm 55, it’s also half a class gone .., and the girls, also catch strokes with heart attacks ... (((

          I am 42, out of 30 people who studied with me in the classroom from 83 to 93 years old, 16 people survived, 4 of them guys. Somehow no luck for our class. Most of us already have problems with employment, and what will happen by the age of 60?
    4. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 10 May 2018 08: 49
      +16
      Quote: Vard
      By the way, the police retire at thirty-five ... and continue to work as security guards ...

      like the military .... right now, what's the point of discussing? voted for Putin-reap !!! I voted against Putin.
      1. Petr1
        Petr1 10 May 2018 10: 55
        +5
        voted for Putin-reap !!! I voted against Putin.
        There’s such a moment, dear, that vote don’t vote anyway Putin laughing
      2. karabas86
        karabas86 26 June 2018 17: 59
        0
        For them - the main thing is believed to be that in the elections in 2012, a bucket in our region was 10% and the oppa look accounted for 35%, that's how the holy spirit happens. but for the fact that they don’t like the city they deprived them of a uniform, I personally do not care, I am not a football player, but I hoped that the city, Yaroslavl, would be put in order.
    5. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 10 May 2018 09: 38
      +4
      By the way, the police retire at thirty-five ... and continue to work as security guards ...

      only up to sixty do not survive any more than the rest
    6. Retired2012
      Retired2012 10 May 2018 09: 47
      +1
      But it’s not so that they retire at 35 because of the SERVICE to the country, the Motherland ...... By the way, if you know which police officers have a preferential length of service? He himself is not a policeman, he served a year and a half ...... In Kamchatka, they serve a year or two ....... Astronauts, a year for four (I believe that only for work in space) ......
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 10 May 2018 11: 19
        +3
        My godfather retired at 32, served on the submarine, midshipman, Murmansk. Already retired, they had two more children, returned to the south, received a certificate, bought a house. Someone's fine. And let the workers in the factories plow themselves.
        1. Retired2012
          Retired2012 10 May 2018 11: 29
          +7
          That Murmansk, and that P.-Kamchatsky-without fruits and vegetables ... themselves and children .... In the sea on desalinated water .... Well, if there are relatives on the mainland, for the summer you can send children to them .. .... I feel sorry for the worker himself when he started as a worker ..... Yes, five days at work, but you sleep in your bed .... with your beloved woman ..... You do not run about alarms, an "alarming" suitcase you don't have ......
        2. 72jora72
          72jora72 11 May 2018 14: 47
          0
          My godfather retired at 32, served on the submarine, midshipman, Murmansk.
          Do you think you do not deserve ??
          1. a housewife
            a housewife 11 May 2018 15: 29
            +4
            I think - deserved it. But did the worker at the factory deserve a worker who does not drink, does not smoke, with his head, hands, and with a higher technical education raising his retirement age?
            1. karabas86
              karabas86 26 June 2018 18: 02
              0
              Surprise is also being prepared for the military, but until they say what, it was a proposal to replace the pension with a one-time payment, by the way, the length of service has already been raised.
  4. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 10 May 2018 07: 47
    +26
    Medvedev said that the retirement age bar needs to be reviewed taking into account current realities
    oligarchs, you need to save ... the people themselves will survive ...
  5. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine 10 May 2018 07: 53
    +12
    But it’s interesting, but how did the USSR organize the Second World War? Mercenaries were invited?
    See the dates on the graves of the participants ...
    My grandfather 1903g.r, grandmother 1905 .. died in the 80s ...
    But with our Utkolyub we really can approach the 40-year-old threshold, and there will be no problems with pensioners
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 10 May 2018 07: 55
      +6
      Quote: Ace Tambourine
      But it’s interesting, but how did the USSR organize the Second World War? Mercenaries were invited?

      But what, WWII-USSR organized? alternative thinking?
      1. Alone
        Alone 10 May 2018 08: 18
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        But what, WWII-USSR organized? alternative thinking?

        You didn’t understand “Ace of Tambourine” correctly, I think. He probably meant that they fought in the USSR. This provoked a sharp decrease in average life expectancy.
  6. Eduard petrov
    Eduard petrov 10 May 2018 07: 58
    +15
    Thank you Putin for such a gift, Medvedin is a very good chairman ... for the enemies of the Russian state.
  7. Gardamir
    Gardamir 10 May 2018 07: 58
    +28
    And I'm funny! Where are those who campaigned for the current president before the election? Where are those who after the elections rejoiced that they defeated us? My ancestors and I have lived on this earth for a thousand years, and now lovers of Europe have defeated us by cunning and meanness.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 10 May 2018 08: 12
      +18
      Quote: Gardamir
      Where are those who campaigned for the current president before the election?

      silenced something ... but the impression is that in all of us, with a sweep splashed slop ... filthy on the soul.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 10 May 2018 09: 26
      +18
      Quote: Gardamir
      And I'm funny! Where are those who campaigned for the current president before the election? Where are those who after the elections rejoiced that they defeated us? My ancestors and I have lived on this earth for a thousand years, and now lovers of Europe have defeated us by cunning and meanness.

      They haven’t received new manuals ... which tells which Medvedev is a great manager, because before the election they squealed that we would choose Putin and he would immediately dismiss DAM and the new government would nominate patriots-statesmen (such as he himself)
    3. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 10 May 2018 09: 28
      +8
      Quote: Gardamir
      And I'm funny! Where are those who campaigned for the current president before the election? Where are those who after the elections rejoiced that they defeated us? My ancestors and I have lived on this earth for a thousand years, and now lovers of Europe have defeated us by cunning and meanness.

      So what is the question? They took and threw DAM. Here in VO clever people claimed that we like a pig and that’s why we don’t rebel against it. Now teach us how to organize people on such matters. You are smart and brave, and we are stupid and cowardly.
      Eh men, men. All our weakness is disunity. Three men have four opinions. And only when the fourth appears, with the opinion of which all the others will agree .... So it was, it will be so.
      1. Ace Tambourine
        Ace Tambourine 11 May 2018 14: 48
        0
        the fourth is clearly superfluous where for three ...
  8. alex3075
    alex3075 10 May 2018 08: 00
    +21
    We need to think about jobs. Where to work? At 60, no one will take it. Older people used to work at all gates and doors. And now the young ones are standing there. And the elderly squeezed out this niche.
    1. Vard
      Vard 10 May 2018 08: 04
      +5
      There is a proposal ... to adopt the law, to accept only disabled people and retirees as security guards ... anyway, those who are now working with them ... can only press a button ...
      1. victor50
        victor50 10 May 2018 08: 20
        +8
        Quote: Vard
        There is a proposal ... to adopt the law, to accept only disabled people and retirees as security guards ... anyway, those who are now working with them ... can only press a button ...

        Or maybe it’s easier: to relieve someone who is an enemy of his people and state — the chairman of the government?
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 10 May 2018 09: 28
          +6
          Quote: victor50
          Or maybe it’s easier: to relieve someone who is an enemy of his people and state — the chairman of the government?

          you still propose the release of the newly elected head of state - he proposed the new-old chairman of the government
          1. victor50
            victor50 10 May 2018 10: 43
            +2
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            you still propose the release of the newly elected head of state - he proposed the new-old chairman of the government

            Well, how can you ?! I'm afraid to be misunderstood by the majority of the population! wink
  9. Nonna
    Nonna 10 May 2018 08: 03
    +23
    This means that it is not a progressive tax on the rich to replenish the treasury and force the capitalists to work for Russia, but to drive the Russians into poverty and hopeless existence even more. Can this be called Putin’s plan to destroy his own people?
    1. kakvastam
      kakvastam 10 May 2018 10: 39
      +5
      Let us recall that the enrichment of some in the absence of an external influx of resources (read - the robbery of colonies) is possible only through the impoverishment of others.
      Here is the guarantor and cares about the growth of wealth ...
    2. Alf
      Alf 10 May 2018 22: 09
      +5
      Quote: Nonna
      Can this be called Putin’s plan to destroy his own people?

  10. Huumi
    Huumi 10 May 2018 08: 04
    +13
    I think it's still flowers compared to what lies ahead
  11. cedar
    cedar 10 May 2018 08: 09
    +6
    Pensioners are not beneficial to capitalism. Under capitalism, everyone should be tributaries of banking capital. Everyone must pay taxes. Those who do not work, which include pensioners, do not make a profit and do not pay direct taxes-tribute. Taxes are also used to pay off loans taken by the state from private banks. The circle is closed and there is no place for pensioners in it.
    See at the root of banking capitalism, dear. Robots are coming ...
    1. kakvastam
      kakvastam 10 May 2018 10: 41
      +3
      And here you have not guessed - robots not only do not pay taxes, but do not go shopping either. They need to be understaffed by migrants living on the allowance.
  12. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 10 May 2018 08: 15
    +6
    Aligning the retirement age for women and men is logical, but raising the bar is premature, in my opinion. It’s better to spend some time on the budget for unnecessary expenses until a sufficient number of jobs are created for those for whom ... After 45-50, employment becomes a big problem. Want to get an army of unemployed under-pensioners? Seeding from liberals to liberals. I hope that this is another mistake from DAM and verbiage will be limited.
    1. AUL
      AUL 10 May 2018 10: 38
      +10
      I hope that this is another mistake from DAM and verbiage will be limited.
      In vain hope. And this blunder is not from DAM - it is in itself an empty place with cheeks puffed up from importance.
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 10 May 2018 11: 24
      +4
      Misalignment is obtained. A woman - in addition to working, bearing, giving birth, feeding, raising children. Often alone. As soon as men learn to do all this, then let them do the same age.
  13. cosmonaut
    cosmonaut 10 May 2018 08: 18
    +9
    the budget is not enough to support the best people in the country, and then some pensioners got a lot of money. They have to pay a pension
  14. Alone
    Alone 10 May 2018 08: 27
    +22
    “Uryakalkam” a big hello. Did you choose a guarantor with his henchman? I read here a comment from one, like, “Medvedev is a very experienced politician and he doesn’t have a replacement.” Yes, your guarantor could have put Shoigu instead of Medvedev. And with raising the retirement age from men part of the population will live even less until this very pension. For that and the sight.
  15. Abram
    Abram 10 May 2018 08: 33
    +10
    Retirement age will be increased. Putin's electorate should be pleased smile
  16. tchoni
    tchoni 10 May 2018 08: 38
    +15
    This is what annoys GDP + Onvamednedimon in economic policy. Rob your own so that strangers live. Here the British in the heyday of the colonial empire - robbed everyone - fed the mother country. The Americans at the present sluggish moment - robbing everyone - feed the metropolis. We have a crisis - they begin to rob a man. Moreover, this is not a trend of the current government, but in general, the way of thinking of the sovereign’s people from the tsar-priests that has begun. We need a fleet - we’ll introduce a tax on “sharpening an ax”, we need industrialization — we’ll introduce jobs that are hard-working, oil has become cheaper — we need to save the poor owners of oil companies (they are poor, non-aliarchs with such income on DAY that an ordinary man will spend all his life on this money all his life) and grandchildren will remain) - depreciate the ruble! increase retirement age! We explain all this economic feasibility and ask to be patient.
    1. kakvastam
      kakvastam 10 May 2018 10: 45
      +3
      Do you think the people are “their own” for our Inaugrant and his government? Well, perhaps as slaves ...
  17. Romanenko
    Romanenko 10 May 2018 08: 51
    +11
    Pension reform will only be successful when it spreads to the Duma members with the Delodes and members of the government, without exception.
    To remove special pensions and special feeding facilities with separate sanatoriums and polyclinics, people working at the bottom of the "food chain" put a lot more vitality in earning copecks for their retirement than those who plunder a pension fund and decide who and how much.
    Retired EVERYONE SHOULD BE EQUAL!
    Then everything will be as it should.
    1. Ural resident
      Ural resident 10 May 2018 09: 35
      +6
      On the contrary, they should retire at 45, as in hazardous work, without the right to occupy government posts and pay at a minimum. But is it really possible? They decide for themselves how much to give.
  18. Vladimir K.
    Vladimir K. 10 May 2018 08: 58
    +3
    "... the system is imperfect, it needs to be improved." - for whom is imperfect and for whom it needs to be improved? I suspect that this is not about ordinary citizens, but about officials who will not just follow the instructions of the newly elected president in a stagnant (0,8% growth cannot be called growth!) Economy.
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  20. Valerevich
    Valerevich 10 May 2018 09: 14
    +1
    There is such an opinion:
  21. Ural resident
    Ural resident 10 May 2018 09: 33
    +4
    Hmm - life expectancy. The generation of the war and post-war years, on the contrary, lived a long time. I still admire their strength, desire for life and the will to win. Surviving in such difficult conditions, while maintaining a positive, humorous, and good mood, raising children, grandchildren - is this not a feat. In my environment, grandparents lived up to 80-90, and actively. That children gave birth a little - yes. In Russian families there should be 5 or more children, as in the old days - then we will rise and master our spaces.
  22. asiat_61
    asiat_61 10 May 2018 10: 11
    +4
    At least a third of the children born at that time did not live up to the age of 5 .. end of quote. My father had seven children in the family, only he and my aunt survived. The father was born in 1927, the murderer of the Japanese and wild forest Estonians. The Red Army was taken in 1944 in November.
  23. vov4ik_zver
    vov4ik_zver 10 May 2018 10: 27
    +1
    ... patsaki, are you not happy? There was a team to rejoice. (C)
  24. Larum
    Larum 10 May 2018 10: 39
    +7
    Hands off Faithful Putintsev Medvedev, Mudko, Medinsky and the rest! This is the ace of the State Department, Poroshenko and bulk!
    The voices are on the right track! Himself - a bagel, the rest is the center of a bagel!
  25. kakvastam
    kakvastam 10 May 2018 10: 50
    +4
    But you can still adopt all kinds of vile laws by Medvedev, then send him to the Federation Council for this, and leave the laws.
    And again the president is the savior of the Fatherland!
  26. military pensioner
    military pensioner 10 May 2018 10: 55
    +4
    In order to solve the issue of retirement age radically, you need to appoint Mudka vice-president for social programs, and not for construction. He destroyed our sport. And he will lead pensioners and disabled people to the root in 2-3 years.
    And for this feat still give him the order for service to the motherland immediately 1 degree
  27. Chaser
    Chaser 10 May 2018 11: 40
    +13
    Greetings. Well, in / in Ukraine the problems are the same, only there is no oil industry and * no equal world * ... There is no decent wage and we massively bring to the EU to earn money. Now in / on, no one is gritting about the brain drain - the hands were shy !!! Turner - locksmith for the weight of platinum! I decided to go on a turner training at the age of forty and from fierce lack of money - the mafia of grandfathers (60-70 years old) was not allowed into the workshop ... Dachshund, I am selling cartridges (I can take cops for my ass), the laborer, the wife abandoned and is looking for a rich uncle weight. I won’t live up to retirement, and I don’t want to ... They call me in the Terbats - but I am Russian and I will not shoot in Russian! They say that Putin is to blame! - NO!!! - It’s my fault that I allowed myself to rob and fool, that I succumbed to the fact that I would live carefree and relaxed with office plankton! Work brothers! Sincerely.
  28. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 10 May 2018 11: 55
    +2
    My retirement in Australia will be at 67 years old.
    1. Chaser
      Chaser 10 May 2018 12: 04
      +1
      30-40 years live quietly in retirement. In Australia. There is no.
      1. Cympak
        Cympak 10 May 2018 12: 58
        +3
        Australia has an interesting system of social support: in order to receive support, you really need it, i.e. you will not be given benefits if you own 2 apartments and a country house and 1000 acres of land, 4 executive cars. First you need to sell all this real estate and cars, and when you have no capital left, the state will begin to help you for a year.
  29. Cympak
    Cympak 10 May 2018 12: 24
    +3
    "Old people do not belong here"
    It is necessary to make the pension system effective for a start. So that people know what they are putting off for old age and have the opportunity to dispose of these funds.
    1. To make deductions from the salary to the pension fund visible to the employee in the same way as personal income tax. So that people understand what is withheld from their salary. 13% + 20%, and another 10% in compulsory medical insurance and social insurance
    2. Give the opportunity to spend part of the accumulated pension in a difficult life situation, for example, on treatment.
    3. To enable the inheritance of part of the accumulated pension in the event of premature death
    4. Cancel special. pensions for executive officials
    5. Review the retirement dates for security officials. Let them serve with the people under 60
    6. Review all early retirement dates, replace them with other methods of motivation.
    7. Raise unemployment benefits for age groups to the level of pensions, so that the state is really interested in their employment
    8. Expel Medvedev from government agencies and select all the “locks”, vineyards and special rations. Let him live in his apartment and feed himself.
  30. Olga78
    Olga78 10 May 2018 13: 07
    +7
    Medvedev does not solve anything in a systematic way - he simply voices the IMF decision, which the Russian Federation is obliged to implement under the Constitution (Article 15.4)
    With an average life expectancy, he voiced the numbers that pro-Western extras gave him. In fact, in the 30s, people lived no less than now.
  31. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 10 May 2018 13: 22
    +1
    In Belarus, increased age, something here Lukashenko fans do not criticize him for this.
  32. Olga78
    Olga78 10 May 2018 13: 37
    +3
    Medvedev does not solve anything in a systematic way - he simply voices the IMF decision, which the Russian Federation is obliged to implement according to the Constitution (Article 15.4).
    Because Russia has entered the Western system and enjoys Western benefits, the Russian Federation is obliged to obey international organizations such as the IMF and consulting companies (they write recommendations for all industries and bring them to the level of system laws, which the Duma must adopt - against system laws You cannot vote in the Duma).

    The United States has built a system within Russia that works for them.
    Look at Iran - the same thing will happen with Russia if Russia refuses systemic American laws. Americans believe that everything must be paid for, and therefore Russia pays for Western goods as part of its sovereignty. Neither Medvedev nor Putin will be able to do anything in domestic politics until the constitution is changed, and after such a change, the United States will block Russia absolutely everything, that is, they will try to isolate Russia to the maximum.

    With an average life expectancy, Medvedev voiced the numbers that pro-Western extras gave him. In fact, in the 30s, people lived no less than now.
  33. shirkoled
    shirkoled 10 May 2018 14: 00
    0
    Quote: Logall
    Sergey, then the question creeps in: why am I paying to a pension fund; what is the funded part of the pension; then why strive to get a white zp ...?
    The average life expectancy of men in 2014 was 59.1! More than half do not survive! I doubt that something has changed in five years ...
    It is necessary to raise the retirement age for officials and office workers: they then profit from the workers, who, in turn, do not survive to retirement!

    Raise to 75 years! Let the priests sit at work !!!
  34. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 10 May 2018 16: 20
    +2
    Nothing changes in Russia for the people, for ordinary people .... only one chatter is already disgusting to listen to.
  35. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 10 May 2018 19: 02
    +1
    In short, I could not bother with the wordings, but directly say that due to the depreciation of the ruble, they began to miss a beautiful life. But Dimon is not a beast. So. By a little bit of people tax taxes - VAT 20%, personal income tax 15%. Well, the pension will cancel the fuck. All in all, it's okay. Everything is like an anecdote. No, my dad will not stop drinking, and you’ll start eating less.
  36. Graz
    Graz 10 May 2018 20: 56
    +1
    I don’t respect Medvedev-iPhone for anti-people’s policy, to destroy the Russian people, the EBN conducted the same policy,
    1. Alf
      Alf 10 May 2018 22: 14
      +6
      Quote: Graz
      I don’t respect Medvedev-iPhone for anti-people’s policy, to destroy the Russian people, the EBN conducted the same policy,

      And what is the policy of Putin who SIGNS these laws?
  37. alexhol
    alexhol 10 May 2018 20: 56
    -3
    So many outraged !!! request I do not understand.
  38. kefan
    kefan 10 May 2018 21: 57
    +2
    No words, some mats.
  39. TOR2
    TOR2 10 May 2018 21: 57
    +5
    Dmitry Medvedev, appointed to the post of Prime Minister, called the issue of revising the legislation in the pension sphere one of the priority measures for the new Cabinet
    Who has buried how many classmates above in the discussion is set out in paints. The average life expectancy of men in retirement is just miserable, no matter how many figures of various extras are inflated. Raising the retirement age for men will not give any savings at all. Here, many said that getting a job for people aged is a problem, in many cases this is really so. But it is full of enterprises where the average age of workers has long exceeded 45. A few more generations will retire and they will simply not be changed by anyone. Young people will not go to such ZP, and they will not be satisfied with such working conditions, and rightly so. To create high-tech jobs with a decent level of salary, this is not for our masters, they would have something to privatize. The furry animal is getting closer and closer to such enterprises, which is why this fuss is started with an increase in the retirement age.
    Here, many argued - capitalism, capitalism. Capital is beneficial for people with great life and work experience to remain in service for as long as possible. And for this, the standard of living should be appropriate. So do not pull our grabbers on the capitalists.
  40. skobars
    skobars 11 May 2018 00: 19
    +5
    The biggest "achievement" of Durilka Ayfonchik is the renaming of the defenders of the people of the police, and the defenders of the bourgeois - the police. The idiotic move has given absolutely nothing worthwhile to Russia. People in Russia used to amuse people with fairy tales. Petrushka. Now, after the 3 Medvedev years ago, he vowed to flood the country with cheap good fish and where is this fish, I only call him Durilka Ayfonchik. This Durilka when he came to power had two mantras -1) the West will provide us all (therefore, there is a lot of industry and it is not necessary), 2) The market will ruin everything (therefore, there is no need for special state planning, and everything should be privatized. Both mantras are criminal for Russia, and this man again is a prime blow to the development of Russia.
  41. YELLOWSTONE
    YELLOWSTONE 11 May 2018 09: 09
    0
    such a low duration was then not only from the nursery but also from well-known events
  42. Imobile
    Imobile 11 May 2018 13: 58
    +1
    However, when familiarizing yourself with these statistics, it is necessary to focus on the fact that in the 30s of the last century, infant and child mortality made a significant negative in the statistics on average life expectancy
    Death at an early stage was not taken into account at all during the time of Stalin. This would generally cripple all the statistics. Infant mortality in villages reached 70%
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  44. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 18 June 2018 16: 57
    +3
    The word "guile" should be replaced by "lies."
    And the rest ... What, someone else naively believes that the iPhone in the skull has something other than cockroach waste products? I'm afraid that even when opened, no traces of the brain will be detected.
  45. pacific
    pacific 19 June 2018 15: 52
    0
    Well, you, right word, attacked the government? Blaming him for something obscene? And you say that the decision to raise the retirement age is "anti-people"?
    Well, where does the people? What does all of us have to do with you, or they?
    Although, "they" are just very much to do with.
    Everything is extremely simple - well, I don’t want “them” to retire at 55/60. Well, what about the fact that the pension of government officials is an order of magnitude higher than usual? The post still provides much more opportunities to "please the little man."
    But they can even retire a stasis upon reaching retirement age.
    You look - with a few exceptions, to all Russian politicians under 55-60 years, and for many over 60.
    The chance to become something more than now they may appear only after 6 years (in 2024). Or you need to be able to work like Kuzhugetovich (and many do not know how and do not want to know how!), To be able to do, present, show ...
    So they adopted the law to extend their own stay in power; to save your ghostly chance.
    And you are angry am not understanding lol
    PS This year, Dmitry Medvedev will be 53 years old. Now figure out the digital law.
  46. Larum
    Larum 20 June 2018 08: 45
    +1
    Glory to the capitalist government of Medvedev / Putin / Chubais !!!
  47. Note 2
    Note 2 22 June 2018 16: 44
    +1
    It is also interesting that, according to Medvedev, people began to live more and health care remained as it was in the ass. The question arises, why?
  48. Parahutist
    Parahutist 1 July 2018 06: 17
    0
    Quote: stock buildbat
    The word "guile" should be replaced by "lies."
    And the rest ... What, someone else naively believes that the iPhone in the skull has something other than cockroach waste products? I'm afraid that even when opened, no traces of the brain will be detected.


    True and very accurately noticed wink . The mind-blowing decision and insanity of D.A. Medvedev and his entire composition of the Government of the Russian Federation have long gone beyond all limits in their dirty anti-people’s affairs and deeds. You can't call it otherwise fool