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Checked in combat conditions. China has tested the fifth-generation fighter J-20

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The fifth-generation Chinese fighter, Jian-20 (J-20), which was adopted by the country's air force in early February this year, recently participated in combat tests for the first time, said on Wednesday the spokesman for the People’s Liberation Army of China Jinke.


Checked in combat conditions. China has tested the fifth-generation fighter J-20


He also added that the introduction of the Jian-20 into the air forces of the country allowed the combat skills of the aircrews to be improved, and they began to regularly train in conditions that simulate real military actions. According to him, military exercises were combined, and the J-16 and J-10C fighters also took part in them.

In addition to Jian-20, China is developing another fifth-generation fighter - Jian-31 (J-31). As reported earlier by RIA News Sergey Kornev, Head of the Russian Air Force Department, the fifth-generation Chinese export fighter J-31 will fly on the Russian RD-93 aircraft engine. The J-31 fighter first took to the 31 in October 2012, the year of its active development.
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Xinhua / Li Gang
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  1. Logall
    Logall 9 May 2018 13: 42
    +5
    fifth-generation Chinese export fighter J-31 will fly on the Russian aircraft engine RD-93.
    then the money will be transferred to us. And they don’t want to reveal their engines, since they decided to do our export ...
    1. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 9 May 2018 13: 47
      +19
      Alexander hi Happy Holidays! drinks They do not have their own normal engines, due to the lack of a design school, and the technology for manufacturing turbine blades for aircraft engines! negative
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 9 May 2018 14: 18
        +17
        Quote: ANCIENT
        They don’t have their normal engines,

        Not yet, but coming soon! After all, they not only draloscopy world technologies, but also invest billions of dollars in new developments! But already in their development!
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 9 May 2018 14: 32
          +5
          Quote: Tol100v
          Quote: ANCIENT
          They don’t have their normal engines,

          Not yet, but coming soon! After all, they not only draloscopy world technologies, but also invest billions of dollars in new developments! But already in their development!

          Well, they invest it for a long time, but things are still there ...
          1. Grandfather Eugene
            Grandfather Eugene 9 May 2018 14: 41
            +11
            Quote: Muvka
            Well, they invest it for a long time, but things are still there ...


            The Chinese are hardworking, smart. There is good funding. Related industries are taking leaps and bounds. There is no problem for them; they will also wipe the nose of the Russians. Wangyu in 10 years before.
            1. Dedall
              Dedall 9 May 2018 20: 45
              +8
              True, yours! Recently I looked at Discovery, as in some provincial Chinese university, students of one of the circles made robots. It was not this robot itself that struck me, but the fact that they were accustomed to performing all the elements of R&D during its creation. That is, the university provided them with everything they needed, but not just like that, but after a joint discussion and presentation of fully completed technical and financial justifications, then the students made the drawings drawn up to all standards and only after that started the production itself. In our great and powerful (?) I saw this last time only in 87. Now they have completely forgotten about scientific and technical circles in our universities, even in the former smithy of Soviet engineering personnel, like VITU.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 9 May 2018 20: 52
                +1
                Quote: Dedall
                scientific and technical circles in our universities

                What is this, excuse me, for such a miracle?
                He studied a little earlier than the time you mentioned, and not in the fence building ... but we certainly didn’t have such miracles ... and the student didn’t have any time for “circles” either request
                1. Dedall
                  Dedall 9 May 2018 22: 04
                  +1
                  Respected Golovan Jack (Roman), I’m actually a doctor by education, but my first wife studied at the Polytechnic, and my brother in the road. And it was in Tashkent. Both were engaged in such circles. I even helped a bit with the fact that my brother measured the noise and gas pollution in the passenger compartment after replacing gasoline with gas condensate, and my ex-wife checked the programs in BASIC. Moreover, both studied without those "strains" about which you write.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 9 May 2018 22: 07
                    +1
                    Quote: Dedall
                    Both were engaged in such circles.

                    I was somewhat surprised by the name "circles". I definitely didn’t have this.
                    Practice - were. NIR - too. There were no circles, even kill me against the wall.
                    And too much time was not there - everything was pretty tightly. Moscow Steel and Alloys, beginning of the 80s.
                    1. Timx
                      Timx 13 May 2018 19: 14
                      0
                      Now MISiS has turned into one large collection of such circles (he personally observed the transformation process in 2008-09).
              2. grandson of Perun
                grandson of Perun 9 May 2018 23: 09
                +2
                And how will this help the Chinese master the ultra-precision manufacturing of lost-wax turbine blades?
                After all, the blades are cooled through a system of winding channels in their body and many tiny holes.
                Chinese Xerox can’t handle such technologies.
                1. Zhelezyakin
                  Zhelezyakin 10 May 2018 14: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: Perun's grandson
                  and lots of tiny holes.

                  Holes, as a rule, are not in the channels, but on the outside ... Perforation of a feather of a blade ... Lost wax casting is an old technology, there is nothing supernatural in it. But to get a casting with a single crystal or with directional crystallization, yes ...
              3. Zhelezyakin
                Zhelezyakin 10 May 2018 14: 36
                +1
                I will not agree. In Russia, there are programs for the integration of students in the main profile. He himself participated in this. Starting from the third year, some of the students go to the design bureau (in my case), and must work there for certain hours per month. At this stage, they give lectures on technology, teach modern CAD systems, and introduce them to all the details of design. By the end of the university, the student prepares and defends a graduation project at a specialized enterprise. With a high degree of probability, he remains to work there. By the way. Already in the early 2000s, many foreign students from India and China studied at our MAI. Even at such departments as design of the WFD. From the point of view of crusts, they have education ... But with real knowledge, hmm. That one more question ...
          2. iwind
            iwind 9 May 2018 14: 56
            +10
            Quote: Muvka
            Well, they invest it for a long time, but things are still there ...

            He is here
            Xian WS-15 its engine for the J-20 is a good result
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 9 May 2018 15: 13
              +5
              And how do you know that this is a good result? Do you know its characteristics? Resource?
              1. iwind
                iwind 9 May 2018 16: 17
                +4
                Quote: Muvka
                And how do you know that this is a good result? Do you know its characteristics? Resource?

                Same question.
                And so they now have the vast majority of it now. On the latest aircraft (J-20) their own. Yes, they already put their own on the deck, but here the requirements for reliability as well as for power are the highest or single-engine J-10 transferred to their own.
                Now the procurement engine is already an episodic phenomenon, and not like 10 years ago, when it was massive
                1. Muvka
                  Muvka 9 May 2018 18: 21
                  +3
                  Well, I have only indirect evidence - that they buy a lot of engines from us. It is a fact. It’s also a fact that all the engines that they do have a very small resource. Well, there is a rumor that they order from us a Su-35 with a double number of engines than it goes under normal conditions. Not sure why?
                  1. iwind
                    iwind 9 May 2018 20: 17
                    +5
                    Quote: Muvka
                    Well, I have only indirect evidence - that they buy a lot of engines from us.

                    They purchasewhether.
                    Now basically their
                    Woshan WS-10A Taihang produced more than 600 for 2016 emnip



                    But the new aircraft have almost no import.
                    Quote: Muvka
                    It’s also a fact that all the engines that they do have a very small resource

                    Well, just a fact. Maybe you will bring the numbers? From a reliable source
                    In the meantime, a massive transition to their
                    Quote: Muvka
                    Well, there is a rumor that they order from us a Su-35 with a double number of engines than it goes under normal conditions. Not sure why?

                    Why rumors? They are so tempered. For China, 24 aircraft are completely homeopathic quantities. They do not need air force reinforcements.
                    And the engines are needed in order to see and disassemble them. The fact that their engine is say 20-30% have less resource does not make them bad. So they are trying to cut corners and spy.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 9 May 2018 20: 22
                      +3
                      Quote: iwind
                      their engine say 20-30% have less resource

                      Where does the data come from? I saw a year ago, too lazy to look now - there was a difference with ours at times, and no matter how much ...
                      1. iwind
                        iwind 9 May 2018 20: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Where does the data come from? I saw a year ago, too lazy to look now - there was a difference with ours at times, and no matter how much ...

                        The Chinese do not think so.
                        This is from their presentation. They have a massive transition to their own. Their engines are still worse, but more than exploited
                        ws-10 is approved by an interserver resource of 1500.
                        And 800 for hot
                        it's about two years ago.

                        Now they are talking about 3500+ hours for the cold part
                      2. KVIRTU
                        KVIRTU 9 May 2018 21: 19
                        +1
                        Happy Victory Day. Such a question as a resource is controversial. RD-33 for Su can be assigned both 2000 and 4000 hours before KR. The question is price.
                        F-engines of some kind and at 8000 fly to the Kyrgyz Republic, but by then almost everything has changed, that's where they come to the question - repair such, repair such.
                        China's purchases are certainly declining. 300-400 10 years ago, 100-150 5 years ago (per year), but at the moment there is silence.
                      3. zoolu350
                        zoolu350 10 May 2018 09: 50
                        0
                        C'mon Golovan Jack. The Chinese are removing the engines from the aircraft after each flight and setting up a new one ....... do not toss the bags. The CPC in particular, and the PRC as a whole, has a goal, will ensure advanced scientific, industrial, military, sports, and other development, and they DO IT. But the oligarchy of the Russian Federation has a goal - to increase the amount of its dough in offshore. Of course, the last goal in your opinion is the most advanced and noble.
                    2. Zhelezyakin
                      Zhelezyakin 10 May 2018 14: 46
                      +1
                      Photo of the Chinese engine? In view of AL31, only the nozzle is different and with the units in the front part they were somewhat wise.
                    3. Timx
                      Timx 13 May 2018 19: 30
                      0
                      Lies! Until now, the bulk of the aircraft goes with the Russian AL-31, RD-33 and their derivatives. No need to retype other people's “ideas” here. Contracts until the 21-22 years with the intention of the narrow-eyed to continue the “banquet” (i.e., “cooperation”)) laughing
          3. zoolu350
            zoolu350 10 May 2018 09: 42
            +1
            This is where the oligarchy of the Russian Federation where it was, and the PRC has gone far ahead.
        2. 78Rey
          78Rey 9 May 2018 20: 31
          +1
          and even soon will not be ...
      2. svp67
        svp67 9 May 2018 16: 48
        +4
        Quote: ANCIENT
        They do not have their own normal engines

        Yes, they don’t have them. But bye.
        Quote: ANCIENT
        due to the lack of a design school,

        And here you are wrong. They already have it. Though young, little experienced, but she is “gaining momentum”
      3. yehat
        yehat 9 May 2018 19: 42
        +5
        It’s not about the design school or the manufacturing techniques of the blades,
        and the fact that China has not yet accumulated a sufficient scientific and experimental basis in such basic subjects as FTT, thermodynamics, and a number of related disciplines.
        For this, there is not enough investment and motivation - it takes time and according to reviews of veterans, this path will not be shorter than 15 years. China has so far gone about half. Now you can laugh or mock their inability to create modern engines, but in 7-10 years this will change. And what will happen to us through this time?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 9 May 2018 20: 04
          0
          Quote: yehat
          ... in such basic subjects as FTT, thermodynamics and ...

          ... and livestock (c)
          About the "special ship steels" you already wrote. Have you decided now to try the force on aircraft engines?
          Quote: yehat
          in 7-10 years it will change

          Or after 100. Then it will certainly change.
          The Chinese, so that you know, at the Moscow University studied with my parents. In the late 50s. And where do the Chinese have a "science school"? And neta request
          Which, as it were, hints that it’s not just the “time” that matters.
          Quote: yehat
          And what will happen to us through this time?

          Wait and see yes
          1. Dedall
            Dedall 9 May 2018 21: 34
            +5
            Respected Golovan Jack (Roman), in our Novocherkassk SRSTU (NPI) five to six years ago, many Chinese studied. Now it has become much less. The reason for the Chinese questioning is the decline in the level of teaching in one of the country's oldest technical universities. It happened because the old professors of the Soviet formation simply died out. Remaining such a level of knowledge as the old cadres, with rare exceptions, do not shine. Experimental workshops that were in SRSTU are closed in almost all departments. I know only one acting at the Department of Hydraulics and Pneumatic Automation. And even at the Department of Physics I saw that teaching is conducted by the method of showing material on a projector.
            At the "laboratories" are used devices from the Soviet era. So, the “youngest” of the used stands that I saw at the same department of physics was made in 1984. But their number is rapidly decreasing, because in this university the posts of teaching staff have been completely abolished. Laboratory engineers have been gone for 5 years now by the labors of the current rector by the name of Perederii. Well, his darling himself needs money to ensure a salary of 1,5 million. And this is all over the place. So, it is hardly worth something good to expect from our defense industry with such personnel in the future.
            I also add that Chinese students study abroad at the expense of their country. They are selected from themselves on the basis of a tough competition, which takes into account, among others, the characteristics of the party organization. Preference is given to immigrants from large and poor families. And in this regard, I’ll ask you if you heard that we have somewhere announced a competition among immigrants from poor families to send them to study technical specialties somewhere in Germany, England or the USA?
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 9 May 2018 21: 48
              0
              Quote: Dedall
              Chinese students study abroad at the expense of their country. They are selected at home on the basis of a tough competition

              Wondrously. They have been learning this way since the 50s. Where is the result?
              For half a century + not to work out a scientific school - this, you know, is already a diagnosis request
              Everything else that you described, of course, is a disgrace and takes place. But what side is this to the Chinese?
              And yes ... I actually wrote yehatWell, he is interesting to me as a supplier of sometimes completely unexpected information ... no more yes
              1. Dedall
                Dedall 9 May 2018 23: 03
                +2
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Everything else that you described, of course, is a disgrace and takes place. But what side is this to the Chinese?

                I will answer you in the sense that if there is a budget that the Chinese have for R&D, the result will appear anyway. To do this, they have frames that can do this. And instead of these shots, we only cry about past successes. GDP and others like him did everything to ruin.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 9 May 2018 23: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Dedall
                  if there is a budget that the Chinese have for R&D, the result will appear anyway

                  Well, I still love the Strugatsky laughing
                  This is the Oil Union all the time, that, they say, if he was paid, like Alexei, he would write like Leo. He's lying, hack. No matter how you pay him, he will still write shit. Give him at least five hundred per sheet, at least seven hundred, anyway he will go on saying: to study well, children, this is very good, but to study badly, whack, it’s no good, and you can’t offend little ones

                  The analogy, in my opinion, is quite transparent.
                  Damn, just like the Indians - horseradish programmers, so the Chinese - well, they are not scientists request
                  A serious scientist (and not even too serious) - he lives his own science (as, by the way, is a good programmer). And the Chinese somehow ... are not affected by this disease request
                  Quote: Dedall
                  they have frames that can do this

                  Where??? A new breed of Chinese was bred in the incubator? I somehow did not hear about this ...
                  Quote: Dedall
                  GDP and others like him did everything to ruin

                  Well, again ... they started to bring down in 1990, and even a little earlier. I myself then worked in one of the Korolevsky offices, I saw it myself (s).
                  With GDP, it somehow began to move ... maybe it will come back to life when.
          2. yehat
            yehat 9 May 2018 22: 24
            0
            studied at Moscow University

            Are you familiar with studying in China?
            Their system is changing, so that subjects such as mathematics and other basic subjects, without which it is impossible to master modern specialties, those who definitely need it, studied not at 25, but at school when they are still children. Everything depends on the age of a ready-made specialist. In the USSR, a serious topic could already be raised by a person in 28-30 years.
            In China, most specialists gain the necessary knowledge and experience by about 40-45, and therefore they do not have a scientific school. not yet.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 9 May 2018 22: 31
              0
              Quote: yehat
              and therefore they do not have a scientific school. not yet

              Sergey, I like this bye. But I'm really a little surprised - the Chinese, I repeat, studied in the Union back in the 50s.
              And where, excuse me, is the "exhaust"?
              And one more thing: I have many friends who worked in China (God had mercy on me, glory to you ...). So: the Chinese, for all their discipline, are somewhat dissimilar to us: they work conscientiously during the working day, but they instantly drop everything and run away on a call.
              And this at a time when our "to the result" worked, next.
              With such people, they will build these scientific schools for another hundred years. Moreover, according to their philosophy, they, in general, "are in no hurry" request
              1. yehat
                yehat 10 May 2018 07: 24
                0
                the Chinese are far from the same. I was mostly familiar with people from Harbin and the northern provinces. Most of them spend half their lives in the kitchen.
                But there are those who leave work only to eat and sleep.
      4. tun5t
        tun5t 10 May 2018 11: 02
        0
        It’s ridiculous to read the oldest nickname, then from the site goes “new”. It turned out - the oldest new, scream pancake laughing
    2. RASKAT
      RASKAT 9 May 2018 13: 49
      +9
      The great aviation power, the most powerful army in the world, could not even create its fourth-generation aircraft. Fly on copies of our Su-27. They can neither build nor copy anything normally: neither the engine, nor the radar, nor the missiles, etc.
      The plane of the 5-th generation, funny ........
      1. Grandfather Makar
        Grandfather Makar 9 May 2018 13: 53
        +8
        recently participated in combat tests for the first time, official spokesman for the People’s Liberation Army of China Shen Jinke said on Wednesday.

        Over Syria at high altitude spill ...? Or maybe over Israel? wassat
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 9 May 2018 14: 09
          +2
          Quote: Ded-Makar
          Over Syria at high altitude spill ...? Or maybe over Israel?

          at a military parade

          They flew over Taiwan
        2. bloodsucker
          bloodsucker 9 May 2018 14: 55
          0
          Grandfather Makar (Russian)
          Remember, grandfather, since Israel does not allow you to lie quietly on the stove. fool
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 9 May 2018 15: 11
            +5
            he is a bloodsucker. What can I say, when they fly over you they want? It is said in combat, then in combat! Dig shelter deeper. By the way, here, one comrade, he sells titanium shovels at a cheap price ...
          2. tun5t
            tun5t 10 May 2018 11: 06
            0
            Israel into the tube and into space, at God's command, at my will lol
      2. zugunder12
        zugunder12 9 May 2018 13: 55
        +11
        Quote: RASKAT
        The great aviation power, the most powerful army in the world, could not even create its fourth-generation aircraft. Fly on copies of our Su-27. They can neither build nor copy anything normally: neither the engine, nor the radar, nor the missiles, etc.
        The plane of the 5-th generation, funny ........

        There is not much funny here - they, according to your words, cannot really produce anything, but have already managed to shove the plane into series and even want to export it. They cut down the loot while the Russians are busy with their Su - 57.
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 9 May 2018 15: 30
          +11
          While Russia is busy with its c57, half the world is already producing 5th generation aircraft. Not? Not all? Even the 4th not all? But generally military aircraft? Maybe Armenia? Well now, with the new prime minister, he will begin immediately the 6th. Che trifle then?
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 9 May 2018 15: 36
            +2
            Michael, he’s a bastard, a bastard and a provocateur! Such in the 41st place ...
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 9 May 2018 15: 49
              +1
              Already merged. no argument. hi
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 9 May 2018 14: 18
        +13
        Quote: RASKAT
        The great aviation power, the most powerful army in the world, could not even create its fourth-generation aircraft.

        20 years ago, China couldn’t boast of anything like that. And now the fleet is being built faster than mattresses, and we and our aviation are being built ... and now compare what we have done over 30 years, given that we had a legacy USSR, and the Chinese had everything from scratch. And by the end, now China, the most powerful economy in the world, with not very weak ambitions.
        And ask yourself, if they have such a start, what will happen in another 20 years?
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 9 May 2018 14: 33
          +4
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: RASKAT
          The great aviation power, the most powerful army in the world, could not even create its fourth-generation aircraft.

          20 years ago, China couldn’t boast of anything like that. And now the fleet is being built faster than mattresses, and we and our aviation are being built ... and now compare what we have done over 30 years, given that we had a legacy USSR, and the Chinese had everything from scratch. And by the end, now China, the most powerful economy in the world, with not very weak ambitions.
          And ask yourself, if they have such a start, what will happen in another 20 years?

          Quantity! = Quality ...
      4. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 9 May 2018 16: 42
        +5
        Quote: RASKAT
        funny ........

        It would not have been necessary to cry later, especially if we compare the pace of development.
    3. vovanpain
      vovanpain 9 May 2018 13: 55
      +8
      The fifth generation Chinese fighter Jian-20 (J-20), which was adopted by the country's air forces in early February this year, recently participated in combat trials for the first time.

      Ahem what This is where he participated in fighting tests? In Syria, unlike SU 57 was not seen. repeat
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 9 May 2018 15: 14
        +1
        Vovka, so remember ... ugh, fifth-generation airplane! Who will "plant" him? wink
    4. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 9 May 2018 20: 36
      0
      Narrow-film ones just do not have good engines. When they can do it - that’s the question?
    5. nekromonger
      nekromonger 14 May 2018 20: 56
      0
      they have guano engines
  2. viktor.
    viktor. 9 May 2018 13: 42
    +6
    Export option Jin 31 wassat it seems that the Chinese will have a hard time for the Chinese to produce these Jin31 for 30 pieces a day and to sell it to everyone according to deshman laughing
    1. MPN
      MPN 9 May 2018 13: 48
      +9
      Quote: viktor.
      30 pieces a day will be produced and sold to everyone on deshman

      at least they’ll give out for free, the US market (NATO) will not take them ... request
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 9 May 2018 14: 57
        +3
        Quote: MPN
        at least they’ll give out for free, the US market (NATO) will not take them ...

        But they don’t have a DB that will come out and say no money, but you hold on.
        1. MPN
          MPN 9 May 2018 15: 09
          +11
          Quote: NEXUS
          But they don’t have a DB that will come out and say no money, but you hold on.

          Here to argue ... it is agreed that the defective ... request yes
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 9 May 2018 13: 49
      +5
      As if they themselves did not have to buy Chinese instead of fu.
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    3. Safevi
      Safevi 9 May 2018 13: 52
      +5
      "similar to amerokos"
      Why on earth? laughing America is far beyond the ocean, and it may answer in such a way that then no bones can be collected. A poorly populated Russia is close at hand, I don’t want to take it. In Siberia, there is almost no population, by and large. So where will China go?
      1. NN52
        NN52 9 May 2018 14: 12
        +10
        Safevi

        How will it go? To you, and not only go, but also fly to J 20 ... laughing
        Not in your airspace experienced in "combat" conditions?
        Take them and you are "tormented" ... Our Siberia ...
        It’s for sure there, our climate will not work .... God forbid you get sick ...
      2. max702
        max702 9 May 2018 14: 21
        +6
        Quote: sefevi
        So where will China go?

        It certainly won’t go to Siberia .. it’s cold .. In China, in the northern provinces, the cities built on a turn-key basis are empty, there are no people wishing to live there .. Now there are practically no Chinese left in the Far East for poverty compared to China .. Our climate is too harsh distance for the Chinese is too much .. We tried it in the 90s and went home ... It’s hard to live with us ...
        I recommend all the soothsayers of the capture of Siberia to pass through it at least by train and everything will become clear ..
      3. kenig1
        kenig1 9 May 2018 14: 29
        0
        What does the population have to do with it? The army is fighting, remember who in China crushed the "Boxer Uprising".
      4. dr.star75
        dr.star75 9 May 2018 15: 05
        +5
        "So where will China go?"
        Well, it’s if you are worried about Russia! China will never attack Russia. These horror stories are already 100 (!) Years old. During this time, Siberia did not conquer. And not conquer. For many reasons. I will not explain now. China goes to southeast Asia, Africa, and is building an alternative to the Panama Canal. And is intensively building up its Navy with an aircraft carrier component. Are there many seas in Siberia? But in order to protect his sea lanes (to Africa and America) he needs aircraft carriers. That he is hard and rivets. And I won’t be surprised if they develop modifications of the w-20 in the deck version
        1. aiden
          aiden 9 May 2018 16: 04
          +5
          Now local trolls will write to you that Siberia is populated by the Chinese, the land has been sold out
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 9 May 2018 16: 17
            +3
            Information is out of date. The Chinese have already fled. And the reason is not FMS but MF. (Ministry of Finance) the ruble fell so low that even the Chinese became unprofitable for us to work. hiAll expansion stopped there.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 9 May 2018 16: 46
              +2
              Quote: dr.star75
              All expansion stopped there.

              Come on? belay And the Chinese greenhouses in the Sergievsky district of the Samara region. no more than a mirage? In the Volgograd region they are the same unmeasured.
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 9 May 2018 17: 56
                0
                And my Chinese live in the entrance. So what? You look at the statistics, and after about the Samara region, etc. hi
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 9 May 2018 18: 42
                  +2
                  Quote: dr.star75
                  You look at the statistics

                  "There are three kinds of lies: lies, blatant lies, and statistics." Disraeli benjamin
                  1. dr.star75
                    dr.star75 9 May 2018 18: 51
                    0
                    So in your case, which of the 3?
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 9 May 2018 20: 52
                      +1
                      Orange jacket switchman in the studio! good (you referred to the statistics, not me). I used to believe my eyes more than what is written. And you draw conclusions on the inscription on the fence, and not on the wood behind it? wink
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 9 May 2018 20: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Orange jacket switchman in the studio

                        Fuck you around, Osya, switchmen imagine ...
                        You move away from the mirror, they will stop wink
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 9 May 2018 21: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Fuck you around, Osya, switchmen imagine ...
                        You move away from the mirror, they will stop

                        And you wouldn’t be dumb with Kitty, and horseradish (the root of the plant) with your nose would be folded. wink .
                        By the way, I cited real Chinese greenhouses as an example. And in response to real arguments, as you trolled with senseless gyk-gykalkami, you continue. negative
              2. garnik
                garnik 9 May 2018 19: 34
                +1
                Ingvar 72 (Igor)
                I traveled by train to Syzran, in the Volgograd region, the area under the greenhouses is impressive. About two years ago, near Krasnodar, these greenhouses were unmeasured, but the administration said it and the Chinese seemed to be "blown away by the wind." They sold their greenhouses for nothing and reached out to other regions of Russia.
                I have a little to do with this business.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 9 May 2018 21: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: garnik
                  About two years ago, near Krasnodar, these greenhouses were unmeasured, but the administration said it and the Chinese seemed to be "blown away by the wind."

                  There will be more abandoned lands in Volgograd and in our country than in the Krasnodar Territory. Maybe this is the reason? request
      5. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 9 May 2018 20: 10
        +2
        Quote: sefevi
        So where will China go?
        First - Taiwan ... Then - Yu.V. Asia....
        It’s cold in Siberia, and Russians walk in homies. And they also have horrific horror stories in service ... Yeah. yes
      6. tun5t
        tun5t 10 May 2018 11: 14
        0
        Wang said China will seize Siberia by cunning, but it will break off. And so it will be. It remains to understand how it will be, it can become like a blind and a little literate ?! About Crimea, they did not immediately understand how to separate it and when it would reach the other side, then it came to us when it happened.
    4. sabakina
      sabakina 9 May 2018 15: 17
      +2
      Quote: viktor.
      Export option Jin 31 wassat it seems that the Chinese will have a hard time for the Chinese to produce these Jin31 for 30 pieces a day and to sell it to everyone according to deshman laughing

      Yeah, like U-2! Plywood, wire, plus BF-6, dvigun and chassis from Lifan.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 9 May 2018 15: 33
        +1
        Right! The most important thing here is nano paint! laughing
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 9 May 2018 16: 48
        +1
        Quote: sabakina
        dvigun and chassis from Lifan.

        Vyacheslav, by the way did you see the latest Lifan models? Another five years, and they will overtake the Koreans and will compete with the Japs. hi
        1. alaarsen
          alaarsen 9 May 2018 17: 48
          +5
          Right! I’ve already surpassed the phones .. and indeed, while our elite cannot get drunk, the Chinese are silently doing business .. and if we are truly patriots of our country, then we don’t have to mock, but take an example from them ..
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 9 May 2018 17: 56
            0
            Quote: alaarsen
            the Chinese silently do business ..

            (in a boring voice): all the "sores" of the capsystem are also in China ... the Chinese "golden youth" has completely lifted up Canadians, the term "naked officials" (who have neither property, nor relatives in their country - everything is outside) - he too from China...
            And so, yes, the patriots of their country ... everything, as one yes
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 9 May 2018 18: 18
              0
              all the sores of the "capsystem are in China ... the Chinese" golden youth "-
              Everything is right! therefore, the Chinese returned to the chairman an untimely term, and during this time all the Europeans will be cleaned!
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 9 May 2018 18: 20
                0
                Quote: dr.star75
                have returned on time ... untimely

                belay ... already good...
                Quote: dr.star75
                and this time all Europeans will be cleansed

                Do not ... I do not ... so much laughing
                1. dr.star75
                  dr.star75 9 May 2018 18: 35
                  0
                  Well, I’ll try to explain it on my fingers. During the reforms in China, many Chinese people were educated in Western countries (the USA in the first place), but since education in specialized institutions implies receiving not only specialized education (in the subject), but also general political education, where the head of the country that sent you to study - a tyrant, a despot, a dictator, then after that you must remove him and appoint a democratic leader. The Chinese have cut through this chip, and are not conducted. They came up with an answer. simple but true! Well done, what can I say.
  3. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 9 May 2018 13: 45
    +5
    “Fighting conditions” mean fighting. And these were obviously “close to fighting conditions,” which is not the same thing at all. But the heading hooked, needless to say, the master heading good ))) After all, the first thing I thought was that in Syria they used or occurred an incident in the area of ​​the disputed islands, well, they didn’t press the Uyghurs to them. But no, the routine testing of the systems at the landfills continues, but when their fifth generations enter the series, then I think that China may have much more such modern aircraft than all their neighbors combined. Yes, the Chinese will hang over the US Air Force in the medium term. And not only the Air Force, by the way.
  4. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 9 May 2018 13: 48
    +2
    Very beautiful, but the characteristics are a big question.
    1. MPN
      MPN 9 May 2018 13: 53
      +8
      Quote: Incvizitor
      Very beautiful, but the characteristics are a big question.

      I don’t think that using the RD 93 it will be possible to create a cruising supersonic if only completely empty planets are left ... but what kind of plane is it?
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 9 May 2018 14: 34
        +1
        Quote: MPN
        Quote: Incvizitor
        Very beautiful, but the characteristics are a big question.

        I don’t think that using the RD 93 it will be possible to create a cruising supersonic if only completely empty planets are left ... but what kind of plane is it?

        Maybe they will order some modification ...
    2. tun5t
      tun5t 10 May 2018 11: 20
      0
      There is no beauty in it j-20, that's for sure, clumsy like a peeled plywood sheet. Our su-57 is that yes, handsome.
  5. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 9 May 2018 13: 49
    +2
    The fifth generation of China is just an ordinary Chinese hodgepodge from a minimum of its own and the masses of which are often simply illegally copied strangers!
    1. lesnik1978
      lesnik1978 9 May 2018 13: 55
      +2
      The Chinese don't give a damn about that.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 9 May 2018 15: 53
        0
        The 5th generation of aircraft, too, doesn't give a damn about it. To the 4th would hold out .....
  6. Dean
    Dean 9 May 2018 14: 00
    +5
    Well done. And about - there is no one, there is no other .. UNTIL. They study and go forward. Do not be shy and not afraid to copy the best. And we, with our great pride, are eating through the legacy of the USSR, losing personnel, and will soon be buying Chinese planes as well as cars.
    1. tun5t
      tun5t 10 May 2018 11: 23
      0
      But what about the new weapon, it did not appear in the USSR. Give youth !!
  7. askort154
    askort154 9 May 2018 14: 04
    +1
    The RD-93 has been sold under contract since 2005 to Pakistan at FC-17 (joint with China).
    he has a thrust of 8 - 9 tons. This is far from enough for the present "6" generation. yes
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 9 May 2018 15: 55
      0
      And it’s far away! And if you still count the resource!
  8. Runoway
    Runoway 9 May 2018 14: 11
    0
    Who will buy it except Pakistan ??? Battle trials ?! Do not dare to fly to Syria, We are looking forward to 2018 at Aviadarts drinks
  9. viktor.
    viktor. 9 May 2018 14: 12
    +1
    Quote: sefevi
    Russia is nearby hand setI don’t want to take it.
    How many of these hands were chopped off and chopped off laughing
  10. demo
    demo 9 May 2018 14: 18
    +2
    He also added that the introduction of the Jian-20 into the air forces of the country allowed the combat skills of the aircrews to be improved, and they began to regularly train in conditions that simulate real military actions. According to him, military exercises were combined, and the J-16 and J-10C fighters also took part in them.
    Real combat tests are those where you are confronted by a real adversary with real means of counteracting your type and type of weapons.
    If it’s aviation, then the other side uses anti-aircraft weapons and your own aircraft against your plane.
    And so this is all talk. For complacency.
    1. askort154
      askort154 9 May 2018 14: 35
      0
      demo ...And so this is all talk. For complacency.

      It’s the same as Kuzey and I. He is now not so much striking power, but a pure simulator to maintain the skills of the crew and, most importantly, the flight crew. If the Storm program is decided positively by 2030, then where to get the footage later? The Chinese, too, are training personnel on the first desk, which is available, calling it for the "show-off" - the 6th generation.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 9 May 2018 15: 10
        +1
        About Kuzyu, better not clinking glasses. It’s clear that it’s not a priority, but it’s a shame for the power
      2. AID.S
        AID.S 9 May 2018 15: 42
        +1
        Quote: askort154
        It’s the same as Kuzey and I. He is now not so much striking power, but a pure simulator to maintain the skills of the crew and, most importantly, the flight crew. If the Storm program is decided positively by 2030, then where to get the footage later?

        There will be a demand for personnel, there will be an offer of personnel, "Thread" to help.
        1. askort154
          askort154 9 May 2018 16: 29
          +1
          AID.S ..... There will be a demand for personnel, there will be an offer of personnel, "Thread" to help.

          "Thread" - a kiss through the glass. hi
  11. Runoway
    Runoway 9 May 2018 14: 52
    +2
    I suggest for the authors, when mentioning a Chinese aircraft, write "fifth generation *"

    "*" - according to the Chinese classification
  12. gorenina91
    gorenina91 9 May 2018 15: 22
    +2
    - No matter what they say ... -and the Chinese have a much lower accident rate ...- despite the fact that the planes seem to be worse than in Russia (as is commonly believed) .. -Probably too many people they don’t have enough ... -That's what they cherish ... -Somely every little person doesn’t count ...
    - By the way ... let's say ... - two trains collided ... -in Germany, in France, in the USA., In China ... in ... -on the moon ... and so on ... - and ...- and died ... two people ... -Two people ..- this is a lot ...
    - In Russia, we encountered ... let's say ... - a gazelle with a truck ... a bus with a tractor ... a car with a train ... two cars ... a school bus with a dump truck .. .-and so on ... -10 people died (five of them are children) ... -And so every time ... -What is it with us ... -over population ... or in test tubes people grow hundreds of thousands in year..?
  13. Totah155
    Totah155 9 May 2018 15: 39
    +3
    You should be more afraid of China than the states.
    Not in vain in the Soviet period, in the garrisons of the Far East, they were considered as the MAJOR threat to the USSR.
    Now the situation has not changed for the better.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 9 May 2018 16: 07
      +3
      Well, for you (Israel) I’ll explain. China will never attack Russia, from the word at all. This horror story is 100 (!) Years old! He had not attacked before, but now he will not attack again. There are many reasons, I’ll tell only about the military: the border of China and Russia is not an autobahn, but a dull hilly taiga. There are so-called tank-dangerous directions, but they are covered by nuclear belts. Further: the population of China is unevenly distributed over its territory. most live along the main rivers. In the case of a nuclear strike on their mouths, it leads to the death of the main population from radioactive contamination. We know this, the Chinese know it. We know that the Chinese know this. Therefore, we have peace and understanding with the Chinese! By the way, we also never had a war with the states, and never will. They will shove their mongrels, with whom we will deal like God with a turtle, but they themselves will never attack us! By the way. about China. China's interest is in Asia, Africa. And the New Panama Canal. That's why he is building up his Navy, including the aircraft carrier. So soon we will see the confrontation between China and the United States at sea!
      1. Totah155
        Totah155 9 May 2018 18: 53
        0
        Quote: dr.star75
        China will never attack Russia, from the word at all. This horror story is 100 (!) Years old

        Blessed is he who believes
    2. lance
      lance 9 May 2018 16: 10
      +1
      Thank you for your concern, but we do not decide who to keep in the DJ mode for this; we don’t need to travel to the United States or Israel. to China, unlike the EU and the US, it dawned that the Russian Federation for China's goods would open the pantries of Siberia on “mutually beneficial conditions”. all with our holiday of victory!
      as for the Chinese ji-20, not everything is clear. they torment their own engine and given that some of the specialists come from the Slavs and even Israel, in five years we’ll see
    3. Grandfather Eugene
      Grandfather Eugene 9 May 2018 16: 14
      +1
      Quote: Totah155
      You should be more afraid of China than the states.
      Not in vain in the Soviet period, in the garrisons of the Far East, they were considered as the MAJOR threat to the USSR.
      Now the situation has not changed for the better.


      There is an assumption that at hour X all "well-wishers" will attack in droves and China is one of the first. It is in vain that almost all Type 99, 96 tanks on the borders with Russia and releases in the amount of 200 per year do not stop.
    4. gorenina91
      gorenina91 9 May 2018 16: 14
      +1
      -Personally, I am afraid, afraid, beware, consider mortally dangerous for Russia ...- it is China, not the USA ... -But I can’t insert my compatriots ...- millions of Russians with these “their convictions” in their careless minds and at least somehow strain their brains in this direction ...
      - It’s just the case when ...- at least a “count on my head" ... -all the same they will memorize it repeating ...- they say "China is our strategic partner ... and so on" ... -Millions of Russians are just they’re zombified by such an overwhelming “opinion” ... - There’s just some endless horror movie series ... with a very, very tragic end ... - Probably Russia will become the “last of the Mohicans” ... and simply disappear as a nation. ..as a state ... as a people ... -Nothing to be done ...
  14. Wolka
    Wolka 9 May 2018 16: 26
    +1
    the Chinese are good at strumming weapons, well, do at least one good deed to someone, there are so many of you, but what's the point, there is war around the world, help the weak to pacify the insatiable Yankees ...
    1. Grandfather Eugene
      Grandfather Eugene 9 May 2018 16: 56
      0
      Quote: Volka
      help the weak to pacify the insatiable Yankees ...

      And you (the Chinese) will take away the territory of the USA for yourself and solve your many questions, and no one will say a word across the world in gratitude to you.
      1. nikoliski
        nikoliski 9 May 2018 20: 21
        -1
        The Chinese are more likely to take our Siberia (it is closer than America) and no one will tell them anything (they will express concern, but secretly rejoice that the two strongest opponents of the United States started pounding each other, thereby depriving themselves of their power) I am sure that the Americans even they will "help" us to fight with China, until the "last Russian soldier", they damn in the second world war could have landed and help us for example in Stalingrad (where the fate of the battle fluctuated on the scales every hour, every new regiment on any side hesitated the Germans the sides where Stalin ordered to put an old image (with which they circled Moscow) could not go 100 meters to the beach by any means, there a platoon of our guys managed to burn 70 tanks! when the Americans recently performed a computer analysis of the battle, we came to the conclusion that ours in all cases should have be defeated ...) the Americans could help on the Kursk Bulge (for example, landing an air division of their vaunted commandos with the Thompson and sending B17 to bomb the advancing German tanks), but they wouldn’t have done this if ours hadn’t to reach the borders of the USSR, believe the Americans, they wouldn’t have opened a second front for another 10 years, it would be beneficial for them to just destroy each other, and then they would take Berlin with small losses (if they completed the A-bomb without German documents, they could have simply bombard Germany with bombs) the same thing will happen when the PRC attacks us, so that the scales do not sway heavily in which direction they can choose a weaker one and periodically "help" him to wage this war (as they war the Donbass war, although they could have ordered Poroshenko to conduct there is a referendum and by the end, close the ATO ... (they need an abscess, they need them everywhere, they specially blew Iran and Iraq (promising support) in order to weaken these two states (potential enemies of Israel) by war otherwise if it weren’t for the damage done to them then, both of these countries would already have nuclear missile potential (there scientists were better than in Pakistan)
  15. Mentat
    Mentat 9 May 2018 18: 04
    +1
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: RASKAT
    The great aviation power, the most powerful army in the world, could not even create its fourth-generation aircraft.

    20 years ago, China couldn’t boast of anything like that. And now the fleet is being built faster than mattresses, and we and our aviation are being built ... and now compare what we have done over 30 years, given that we had a legacy USSR, and the Chinese had everything from scratch. And by the end, now China, the most powerful economy in the world, with not very weak ambitions.
    And ask yourself, if they have such a start, what will happen in another 20 years?

    Do you realize where this start came from and how it continues? Did the Chinese themselves take it and create a start for themselves, or were there some circumstances? Which, by the way, may cease to be. Why scribble such nonsense, which from scratch?
  16. lance
    lance 9 May 2018 18: 43
    0
    while we argue about the Chinese and their zeros infa from the usa. The Pentagon refused to resume the production of f-22 on the basis of non-compliance of existing technologies with the requested results on the quality of products. so the japanese-made stealth hybrid is no joke.
  17. APASUS
    APASUS 9 May 2018 18: 46
    0
    Checked in combat conditions. China has tested the fifth-generation fighter J-20

    Where did they conduct tests in combat conditions? And what goals did they handle, static or full-fledged air combat, then it’s become an internship
  18. nikoliski
    nikoliski 9 May 2018 20: 04
    -1
    What does it mean real combat conditions? (In our region, on the Su-34 training ground, are they throwing bombs - is this real combat conditions or what?) China when its fighter collides in a battle against Su-57 or Raptor, using combat missiles to defeat (and they him) then these conditions can be called "combat", and all that without real fire resistance will still not show the potential (and shortcomings) of the tested machine. If our Su-34s bomb real barmels that move, hide, these conditions can be called combat (and there is no enemy air defense system there, no set EW owls, but they’re still fighting, just against a weak enemy) so I can’t imagine the fighter’s tests at all (how the Chinese put it “close to combat”) that they shoot down other planes that don’t fly as targets, but maneuver and interfere ? even we don’t have such firing (a long time ago, after a plane really accidentally shot down in such a "training", all these "tricks" were replaced by simulators and photo simulators of guns)
  19. Salx
    Salx 9 May 2018 21: 03
    +1
    Quote: NN52
    Safevi

    How will it go? To you, and not only go, but also fly to J 20 ... laughing
    Not in your airspace experienced in "combat" conditions?
    Take them and you are "tormented" ... Our Siberia ...
    It’s for sure there, our climate will not work .... God forbid you get sick ...


    ... it’s suitable ... it’s suitable ... Siberian animals want to eat too)))))) and here the havchik himself goes to his paws !!!))))
  20. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 9 May 2018 21: 41
    0
    Quote: iwind
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Where does the data come from? I saw a year ago, too lazy to look now - there was a difference with ours at times, and no matter how much ...

    The Chinese do not think so ... This is from their of the presentations ...
    Now they are talking about ...

    You see ... what the Chinese are talking about is what they only say ...
    Quote: iwind
    They have a massive transition to their

    I do not understand about the "transition". And before they flew on what?
    Quote: iwind
    ... already more than operational ... an interserver resource ... for hot ...

    Is your native Russian, or did I think? This is so, by the way ...
  21. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 9 May 2018 21: 56
    0
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    By the way, I cited real Chinese greenhouses as an example ...

    ... and called them "expansion." Enough, you have already won the competition yes
  22. Berkut154
    Berkut154 9 May 2018 22: 28
    0
    Damn .. I do not keep up with the news from China)))) aircraft carriers, ships, bridges, roads, military and civilian planes ... I’m silent about the auto industry ... one Hawal is worth it ... it’s pushing Toyota already ... maybe communism not so bad?
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 9 May 2018 22: 42
      0
      Quote: Berkut154
      I'm not doing well for news from China ... maybe communism is not so bad?

      It remains only to find in China - communism laughing
      Well, or at least socialism, nakraynyak yes
      1. lance
        lance 10 May 2018 06: 05
        0
        All the same, socialism is felt when, unlike our liberal legislation, officials and oligarchs who are especially well-fed and presumptuous are put to the wall and their hands are chopped.
  23. Zhelezyakin
    Zhelezyakin 10 May 2018 14: 48
    +1
    KVIRTU,
    They don’t put RD-33 on Su-shki, on MiG-29 ... Yeah
  24. Aronych
    Aronych 17 May 2018 17: 27
    0
    how can he finally fly !? outwardly looks like assembled from two different aircraft models)))