Following Ukraine. In Tbilisi, the streets associated with the "Soviet occupation" will be renamed

The names of 15 streets, which are “associated with the Soviet occupation”, will be replaced in Tbilisi on the eve of the 26 anniversary of the proclamation of the Georgian Democratic Republic - Independence Day on May 100, the head of the commission on symbolism of the Georgian capital’s parliament, Sakrebulo Tinatin Nibloshvili, said, the newspaper’s correspondent reports. VIEW in Tbilisi.

These streets will be renamed in honor of those Georgian figures who were involved in the formation of the Georgian Democratic Republic, which existed for about 3 years before the Sovietization of the country by the Red Army.

In particular, Mir Vezirov Street, one of 26 Baku commissars, will be renamed. She will be named in honor of Georgian Parliament Speaker 1918, Nikoloz Chkheidze, Tinatin Nibloshvili said. Also in Tbilisi will appear Evgeny Gegechkori Street - the Minister of Foreign Affairs of those years. The current street of the revolutionary Sergo Surguladze will be named after him.

It is noteworthy that the renaming process will affect one of the central squares of Tbilisi - the Rose Revolution (organized in 2003 by ex-President Mikhail Saakashvili). During Soviet times, it was called the Republic Square, and now they want to call it the Square of the First Republic.

At the celebration of 26 in May, high-profile guests are expected in Georgia, including the presidents of a number of countries - the Baltic states, Finland and so on. For the first time, Rustaveli Avenue will show citizens the Javelins complexes received from the United States.

Comments

[NEXUS]

It's time to restore order in the CIS. Let’s wait that there will be promrassrass regimes around. The Anaconda ring is all compressed slowly but surely. And the problem of US influence on the regimes of the former Soviet republics must be solved now, without leaving it to our children.

[figwam]

GDR has already appeared in the CIS! (Georgian Democratic Republic)

[Logall]

Russia provided them with the integrity of the country, and they are talking about some kind of imaginary, Soviet occupation ...

empire
m.tsargrad.tv/articles/...
Eastern Georgia was under the patronage of the Russian Empire, which guaranteed the integrity of the Kartli-Kakheti kingdom and pledged to facilitate the return of the ancestral lands captured by the enemy to southwestern Georgia. The king of the Kartli-Kakheti kingdom recognized the supreme power of the Russian Emperor, who established the kings of this state; without the permission of the All-Russian Emperor, the East Georgian kings did not have the right to enter into relations with other states. ... In 1810, the Imereti kingdom was included in the Russian Empire, in 1811 the autonomy of the Principality of Gury was abolished. Since then, neither the Iranian nor the Turkish invasions of Georgia have been threatened. "Under the shadow of friendly bayonets," she began to blossom and intensify.

[Proxima]

Quote: Logall

.... Since then, neither the Iranian nor the Turkish invasions of Georgia were threatened anymore. "In the shadow of friendly bayonets" she began to blossom and intensify.

A small but. To really “overshadow Georgia with friendly bayonets” of the Russian Empire, it was necessary to have a land border with them, and this was endless bloody war with the Muslim North Caucasus. In order to help its Orthodox counterpart, Russia did this, although the empire had a rather powerful lobby that did not want to make such rather costly sacrifices.
And here is the "gratitude" from the Georgians!
Although any historian will tell them that at the end of the 18th century, Georgia was on the verge of extinction, not only as a state, but also as an ethnos. So, thank the Russian "invaders" that you have the honor to be called Georgians (and not Turks for example) and in the original you can enjoy reading Shota Rustaveli.

[kit88]

Dear Colleagues. Somehow we are not responding correctly. The general meaning of all our comments is that this action is directed against Russia. But in fact this is not so. It's about desovetization. Please, Russia carries out the same desovetization. Renamed streets and cities.
From the material of the article no one talks about the Russian occupation. There is no question about this. No one speaks against Russia.
The idea is too deeply rooted in us - once against the Soviets, then against Russia. And these are different things.

[Proxima]

Quote: kit88

. Please, Russia carries out the same desovetization. Renamed streets and cities.

I dare to object to you. Russia has never carried out desovetization and does not intend to conduct it. Unlike Germany, we have nothing to be ashamed of our Soviet past. Just the cities and streets were returned to their former names.

Quote: kit88

And these are different things.

For example, I am a resident of St. Petersburg. The city was returned to its former name and streets, bridges, etc. also returned their original names. There was a street. Italian, Ascension (Mayorova), Troitsky bridge (Kirovsky), Annunciation bridge (Schmidt) and so on. But the streets that bore Soviet names from the beginning - no one renamed them (Dybenko, Kolontay, Revolution, and so on.)
There is a significant difference. “Someone” really wants to equate nazi past with Soviet and Sovietin turn with Russian. The substitution of concepts is monstrous! So let's not indulge.

[kit88]

Quote: Proxima

Someone really wants to equate the Nazi past with the Soviet, and the Soviet, in turn, with the Russian. The substitution of concepts is monstrous! So let's not indulge.

So I’m talking about it, what are these different things.

Russia has never carried out desovetization ... For example, I am a resident of St. Petersburg. The city was returned to its former name and streets, bridges, etc.

You can hide your head in the sand for an arbitrarily long time and call it NOT desovetization. But in fact, for example, as the Leningrad Order of Lenin is now called the metro named after V.I. Lenin? St. Petersburg Metro, in my opinion. And the return of historical names is the same desovetization. Not frantic of course, but so soft. What was ours and yours - and white and red.

[Pissarro]

Anti-Soviet means Russophobe (s)

Rule always works

[EwgenyZ]

Quote: Proxima

A small but. To really “overshadow Georgia with friendly bayonets” of the Russian Empire, it was necessary to have a land border with them, and this was endless bloody war with the Muslim North Caucasus. In order to help its Orthodox counterpart, Russia did this, although the empire had a rather powerful lobby that did not want to make such rather costly sacrifices.
And here is the "gratitude" from the Georgians!

People have a short memory. After 100 years, the Georgians “thanked” us for the Caucasian wars.

[Proxima]

Names of 15 streets that are “associated with the Soviet occupation” (from the text)
Full clinic! Russia has never occupied Georgia. The Georgian kingdom was voluntarily requested under the protectorate of the Russian Empire.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Proxima

Russia has never occupied Georgia. The Georgian kingdom was voluntarily requested under the protectorate of the Russian Empire.

Ukraine also asked, so what?

[Mourner]

What for? Here is the website that the question is short. I obey. Why do we need to restore order in the CIS? Yes, let them choke on the stew that we slurped in the 90s. The territory of Russia is self-sufficient! Enough for us without them. only with the Prime Minister iPhone, no prospects Website satisfied?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Mourner

But why?

Then, that the territory of the CIS is the territory of our interests. Mexico succumbed to the United States and, according to the results of Texas, California, moved to the states. And now not a single Mexican leader would even enter the head to fight against his neighbor. And given how many Russians and Russian speakers live in the CIS, our influence on these regimes should be undeniable and total. Yes, we chew only snot and wait for our children to grow up and begin to correct our softness and stupidity.

[rocket757]

The memory is short for many of our ex. Nothing, time will put everything in its place .... of course, if we ourselves survive!

[NEXUS]

Quote: rocket757

Nothing, time will put everything in its place

Time has already shown. What has changed for the better since the age of 14? And since 2008? There will be a fight anyway. So, as the Chief said, if fights can not be avoided, hit first.

[rocket757]

I don’t believe the current government from the word at all, the election of appointment is all nonsense, I believe in my own country, in my people! Who's in charge there will be identity too, if if the real leader of the people, it’s just an extra bonus for our suffering and patience!
Harness for a long time or wake up! Only lethargy cannot last forever!

[alexhol]

When it comes to you, Dear, that the interests of today's Russia do not extend beyond the route of laying the gas pipe.

[NEXUS]

Quote: alexhol

When it comes to you, Dear, that the interests of today's Russia do not extend beyond the route of laying the gas pipe.

When, dear, it will reach you that not everything must be measured by profit. Why did we get into Syria? Yes, so that all this abomination after us does not break. Is it not the same with Ukraine?
While you will measure everything only with money, everything will be sold for cheap jeans and Coca-Cola.

[alexhol]

From May Heart

[rocket757]

When will it come to you, the present government and the bunch of fat belts surrounding it, is this not the whole of Russia?
Everything happens the first time, but the revolution is not the first for us!

[alexhol]

Yes, not all of Russia, but "only" 76%. For an example photo:

[Mourner]

Andrey, yes I’m for wagging my hands! Just what to do? Belarus (not Belarus) was cherished and what is the answer? Kazakhstan is the same story. So what? Give them money or a pro-Russian color revolution?
You will not be forcibly sweet! Let them live as they want. But with respect to Russians and Russian speakers, it is necessary to take it without tyagomotin. Only here is the problem, they want to go to the center, and why, without problems, to Siberia or the Far East. We also have the Kuril Islands, Kamchatka, Sakhalin!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Mourner

You will not be forcibly sweet!

Do you remind Cuba? What did the USA do when the USSR deployed its missiles there?
Deal with things? Just like in a joke about a husband in front of whom his wife is being raped, and he condemns, be patient dear, it may all work out.
In the 90s, the very concept of NATIONAL INTERESTS of the Russian Federation was destroyed. now you propose to go the same way. And when NATO missiles are put at your doorstep, what are you going to sing?

[Mourner]

And where does Cuba? What to read further did not have enough strength?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Mourner

And where does Cuba?

And the story with Cuba is not the same as the story with Ukraine, only there we got into the territory of US national interests, and here they are in our territory.

Quote: Mourner

What to read further did not have enough strength?

I always read to the end. Gilles was right in saying that a Russian person, having come to the Russian Embassy and expressed a desire to become a citizen of Russia, should receive a passport within days, not years.
As for Siberia and Sakhalin ... so the citizens of the Russian Federation are not very eager to live there. The attitude of citizens of the Russian Federation towards those who want to become citizens of Russia, as to convicts who seem to have guilty and are being sent there. Whoever wants, let him ride. It is clear that at the same time, salaries should be higher and state assistance should also take place.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: NEXUS

Then, that the territory of the CIS is the territory of our interests.

It seems not a stupid person, but you carry all ... We have no interests in the CIS. Simply no. We did not intend to cure ourselves, as you write. In Russia, land (not in Muscovy, but after it) has a million hectares to the sky with a population density of 1 person per 1 sq. Km. kilometer. It is necessary to take into account the interests of Russian-speakers living in the territory of the Russian Federation with a salary of 11 rubles and below. According to the latest data, they accumulated (where did what come from? ) 23 million people.
It is necessary to show your totality without supporting those who are soft in body and chew snot, who are stupid, who has been carrying us down the bottom for more than 15 years, putting him back to the helm. No need to look for not smart on the side. They were not transferred to the Fatherland. Thieves do not wean thieves. No matter how much we create, everything leaves ashes for lust, debauchery and gluttony.

[NEXUS]

Quote: ROSS 42

We have no interests in the CIS

No need to write heresy, dear. We did not have a national interest in the 90s. Any state has its own national interests and Russia is no exception. And what you wrote here is complete nonsense.

[Vadivak]

Quote: ROSS 42

everything leaves ashes for lust, debauchery and gluttony.

There is such a topic

[Incvizitor]

It's time to restore order in the CIS.

It is necessary to make a mess in the mattress, then they will not be up to the CIS, it will be full of dissenters, full of weapons.

[flicker]

Twist and twist, I want to confuse. I never understood the desire to rename the streets. The name of the streets is needed for orientation in the village. The more often renamed, the more difficult it is to navigate.

[cocktails46]

It was necessary to get to Tbilisi in 2008 and to Kiev in 2014. We would save ourselves from future problems ...

[flicker]

Save yourself from future problems ...

Yeah, of course, it would be right now for some that others would accuse us of depriving them of European happiness, "lace panties" so to speak and now they’re even starting to think ... about their place in the "civilized world."

[Altona]

Georgian Democratic Republic
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GDR? To go nuts !!!
In Soviet times, it was called the Republic Square, and now they want to call it the Square of the First Republic.

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Area PPR? For Georgia, it is very important. PPR there is a national tradition.

[Ivan Tarava]

Our city is also full of streets such as Georgian, Tbilisi, Kutaisi. When will we rename? It’s not like they beat me on the cheeks, here the rolls have already been moved apart. This patience is already somehow tired. Even small countries are not afraid to dare, but we are all afraid to offend someone.

[cedar]

And we need to go the opposite way, return the name of Georgian to the city of Volgograd.

[Opera]

All red wines can be banned! We’ll go straight on the list - ban Mukuzani No. 4 from saperavi and Teliani No. 2 from cabernet grapes! Vineyards, how to cut down the unreliable legacy of the Soviet regime!

[Grandfather Makar]

I even know how to rename .. Prospect Trump, Rabinovich, Valtsman, Netanyahu ...
And then again they rename Putin, Ivanov, Sidorov, etc. it.

[Boricello]

Well, you were silent when you did it in Kazakhstan in 90-2000. Kazakhstan does not have a friend and comrade in Russia. They kissed in a hickey. And in essence, Kazakhstan is the most vile and dishonest state of all the former CIS countries. With the Russian language, everything that they do in Ukraine in Kazakhstan has been done a long time ago. Russians humiliate and oppress, but for some reason Russia does not notice it.
Everyone says: there is no truth on earth.
But there is no truth - and higher. For me
So it’s clear, like a simple gamma.
So it’s not for Russia to talk about double standards. If Russia needs it, as in Ukraine, it advocates the preservation of the Russian language and identity. But Elbasy is a modeled sidekick, well, you can do whatever you want. It's disgusting.

[nikoliski]

Instead of the vampire Ilyich, who hated everything Russian (a Jewish mother tried to instill contempt and hatred of the Russian people), it’s time for us to call the streets normal nice names — Solnechnaya, Tsvetochnaya, Cherry, etc. For one decree of Lenin’s and all workers whoever doesn’t go to Nicholas (under the Tsar, all the significant church holidays were days off) —shoot "this decree alone speaks of Ilyich’s personal attitude to ordinary people (I’m not talking about the populist" land-peasants "where then the livestock were taken from the peasants, they drove by force to the collective farm, obliging them to work for FREE! (for workdays) and in the fall taking all the crops to the city, shooting the dissent (people ate quinoa, thanks to the Bolsheviks)

[t-4]

And you try to rise higher and look at a story from a century ago. Great is seen from afar.
Who now recalls how many Russian people died under Peter I? But everyone is proud that Russia in the XVIII century from the regional Muscovy turned into the Russian Empire. Victims are not in vain.
For the Bolsheviks, the idea was to build a prosperous society throughout the world. Completely change the course of world history. It is clear that victims are inevitable.
The idea failed. Victims are in vain. We can say that the Bolsheviks took a chance and lost, but these were people with ideas of a planetary scale. Now these are not nearly visible. Everyone would grab more, but dump, where it is quieter.

[dolfi1]

The history of the change of streets will not change, and what kind of occupation are we talking about? Of course, it’s a purely private matter of Georgia that to rename. You can immediately rename the Georgian Republic of Iran or Turkey. Germany will no longer send troops to defend Georgia from Turks and Iranians. Silly, apparently Saakashvili’s lesson didn’t go for the future, the EU will not fight for Georgia.

[Altona]

Quote: Ded-Makar

I even know how to rename .. Prospect Trump, Rabinovich, Valtsman, Netanyahu ...

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Attention! Street named after Barack Obama! Name the hut!

[tap]

"The names of the 15 streets that are" associated with the Soviet occupation "will be replaced ..." They give! But what about the occupation of the USSR by Georgia in the person of Dzhugashvili and Beria?

[Altona]

Quote: t-4

The idea failed. Victims are in vain. We can say that the Bolsheviks took a chance and lost, but these were people with ideas of a planetary scale. Now these are not nearly visible. Everyone would grab more, but dump, where it is quieter.

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What kind of victims are we talking about? If the victims of the class struggle, then they are not only on the conscience of the Soviet government, but also foreign interventionists, and the White Guard. If the victims of hunger, then the West is guilty, who ordered the USSR to pay with grain unnecessary to the West instead of gold. We will not talk about the victims of the war, German and European Nazism are to blame there. Why do we emphasize how the West put them? Who gave him, the aggressor and the author of the genocide of peoples, such a right?
PS Yes, the USSR was controlled by a bureaucratic machine, which at the end destroyed it by its Wishlist convergence with the West. But the USSR gave the world an example of building a classless society with a truly humanistic culture, social protection of a person, powerful science and huge potential in other areas. Plus the creation of a victorious nation.

[unignm]

“Associated with the Soviet occupation”,
but for Stalin, rodents do not want to repent before the world?

[APASUS]

This I understand the victory for the Georgians!
Are there any other problems left?