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To overcome the missile defense. 10 MiG-31 with “Daggers” are on alert

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10 interceptor MiG-31 aircraft with hypersonic Dagger missiles to overcome missile defense, are on experimental combat duty, said Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov on the TV channel Zvezda


To overcome the missile defense. 10 MiG-31 with “Daggers” are on alert


Borisov noted that the MiG-31 aircraft is best suited to disperse the "Dagger" to the desired speeds at the right altitudes.

In confirmation of the fact that this is not some kind of exotic: today 10 airplanes are on experimental combat duty and are ready for use, depending on the situation
- said Borisov

According to the deputy head of the Russian military, the hypersonic enhanced-range missile can overcome air defense and missile defense systems, it is “invulnerable”, “it has a very serious combat power and potential.”

Since the end of last year, the complex has already served on the airfields of the Southern Military District. As commander-in-chief of the VKS Sergey Surovikin noted earlier, the complex with a high-precision hypersonic missile based on MiG-31 has a range of more than two thousand kilometers, without entering the enemy’s air defense zone. Missiles that fly faster than sound speed overcome all existing and developed air defense and missile defense systems. The complex is capable of hitting aircraft carriers, destroyers, enemy cruisers.
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  1. Equalized
    Equalized 5 May 2018 17: 14
    +14
    I didn’t really go into the details of the “Dagger”, but it looks like a modification of the Iskander missile for an air launch. That is, it is an air launch ballistic missile.
    1. figwam
      figwam 5 May 2018 17: 16
      +14
      Quote: Equalized
      This is an air launch ballistic missile.

      Yes, we can say that this is so. If he can really hit a moving ship, then ours in the Mediterranean are protected.
      1. SSR
        SSR 5 May 2018 17: 21
        +13
        Quote: figvam
        Quote: Equalized
        This is an air launch ballistic missile.

        Yes, we can say that this is so.

        Question. And how does his MiG-31 aim at a cruiser type target?
        I do not understand. request
        1. 210ox
          210ox 5 May 2018 17: 26
          +22
          No offense hi ..One character from the song did not understand why the piece of iron, but flies .... So there are means.
          Quote: SSR
          Quote: figvam
          Quote: Equalized
          This is an air launch ballistic missile.

          Yes, we can say that this is so.

          Question. And how does his MiG-31 aim at a cruiser type target?
          I do not understand. request
          1. Logall
            Logall 5 May 2018 17: 35
            +37
            Quote: 210ox
            So there are funds.

            1. krot
              krot 5 May 2018 19: 50
              +5
              It would be necessary to prepare a couple of daggers with a nuclear warhead. On everyone!
          2. passerby
            passerby 5 May 2018 18: 18
            +18
            The question is generally justified. If the “Dagger” is modified for use with an Iskander aircraft, then it apparently cannot hit moving targets, since information that the Iskander can do this has never surfaced. In addition, it is not clear how the homing head of a rocket flying in the atmosphere at hypersonic speed can work. On the other hand, there is evidence that China has a ballistic anti-ship missile, which apparently also flies at hypersonic speed and is somehow aimed at the ship with the help of a homing head. Most likely the rocket reaches hypersonic flight speeds only in the final section of the trajectory after the target is detected and the GOS is pointed at it. If this is actually so, then apparently this missile has the same drawback that Basalt and Granite had - it can be intercepted by air interceptors on the marching part of the flight when it has not reached hypersonic flight speed, just like F -14 could intercept the “Basalt” and “Granite” on the marching section of the flight path, until they decrease to attack the target, after it is detected by the GOS.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 5 May 2018 19: 09
              +25
              If the “Dagger” is modified for use with an Iskander aircraft, then it apparently cannot hit moving targets, since information that the Iskander can do this has never surfaced.

              As Iskander’s developer said a couple of months ago: “... 6 different types of missiles are ready for Iskander, and maybe more ...”.
              The fact that you have not read about something does not mean anything. GDP said - we’ll sink the ships, which means there is such an opportunity. hi
              1. passerby
                passerby 5 May 2018 19: 21
                +18
                I do not share your blind faith. What is publicly voiced may not have anything to do with reality, but may be intentional misinformation.
                1. evgeny68
                  evgeny68 5 May 2018 19: 30
                  +2
                  In which direction, we won’t sink the ships or sink all, including space ones.
                  1. passerby
                    passerby 5 May 2018 20: 16
                    +4
                    I have no idea which one. Maybe the "Dagger" is intended only for attacks on stationary targets, as a means of neutralizing the European missile defense system and is not intended for shooting at ships. Maybe it does not fundamentally differ from the old RCC with the exception of hypersonic speed in the final section of the trajectory, in the marching section it does not fly at hypersonic speed. Maybe something else. Misinformation and misinformation so that no one could figure out anything.
                    1. Oden280
                      Oden280 6 May 2018 12: 52
                      +1
                      Is your naivety so great. what do you believe in that. that someone will tell you the true performance characteristics of weapons and reveal its principle of action?
                    2. Star
                      Star 6 May 2018 22: 15
                      0
                      So they have nuclear warheads on them.
                      Hit or not the target does not matter, there is a square of defeat.
                2. Alex777
                  Alex777 5 May 2018 19: 43
                  +17
                  I do not share your blind faith. What is publicly voiced may not have anything to do with reality, but may be intentional misinformation.

                  Blind faith is contraindicated at my age and at my position. bully

                  I just did not want to write from where specifically on the Dagger of the GOS for a long time. If you are greatly bothered, Google will help you. You will find it without problems, where I found it.
                  But here’s what makes me happy is the amount of 10 on the experimental combat. For 1 AUG it is enough that the partners do not itch much. Previously, one prepared crew of testers was discussed, and that was nothing. hi
                  1. passerby
                    passerby 5 May 2018 19: 51
                    +6
                    What can be found using Google does not give answers to the question of how the optical and radar seeker of a missile flying at a speed of 10 max can work.
                    1. helmi8
                      helmi8 5 May 2018 20: 15
                      +12
                      Quote: bystander
                      What can be found using Google does not give answers to the question of how the optical and radar seeker of a missile flying at a speed of 10 max can work.

                      If you do not understand something, this does not mean that this cannot be. And the second - to voice in the media about everything that we have and even with TTX - do you yourself even understand what you're talking about?
                      1. passerby
                        passerby 5 May 2018 20: 19
                        +6
                        The person above wrote that everything that interests me can be found using Google. So ask him if he understands or not what he is talking about.
                      2. helmi8
                        helmi8 5 May 2018 20: 23
                        +4
                        I, actually, about this ...
                        how the optical and radar seeker of a missile flying at a speed of 10 max can work

                        And the man just suggested where to look.
                    2. dvina71
                      dvina71 5 May 2018 22: 46
                      +4
                      Quote: bystander
                      What can be found using Google does not give answers to the question of how the optical and radar seeker of a missile flying at a speed of 10 max can work.

                      And how is the hypersonic missile defense from Moscow missile defense aimed at the target? Or the hypersonic ballistic missile BB?
                      1. passerby
                        passerby 6 May 2018 12: 30
                        0
                        The A-235 missile system reaches a speed of 3 km / s already in space, where there is no atmosphere, so there is no problem with the operation of the GOS. As for the ICBMs, they have an inertial guidance system with astro correction, respectively, there are no radar or optical GOS, but ICBMs shoot only at stationary targets, the coordinates of which are known in advance.
                  2. smart ass
                    smart ass 5 May 2018 20: 38
                    +9
                    This is what I understand specialist! In Google, he draws Old and accepts for truth
                    1. LSA57
                      LSA57 5 May 2018 21: 20
                      +7
                      Quote: Clever man
                      In Google, he draws Old and accepts for truth

                      well, it's like
                      "Kent thieves, bullshit does not drive, was cool bixa" laughing
                      it is necessary to charge a piece in google, we can laughing
                    2. Alex777
                      Alex777 5 May 2018 21: 59
                      +11
                      This is what I understand specialist! In Google, he draws Old and accepts for truth

                      You Umnik what form of access to offer you something other than Google?
                      1. smart ass
                        smart ass 6 May 2018 00: 36
                        0
                        ????????????
                  3. 73bor
                    73bor 6 May 2018 18: 26
                    0
                    Your faith in Google is ridiculous; you would at least go to a library to read a book of art. If on a wiki. no, nowhere is there, the logic of the iron ... hi
                3. Rurikovich
                  Rurikovich 5 May 2018 19: 50
                  +4
                  Quote: bystander
                  What is publicly voiced may not have anything to do with reality, but may be intentional misinformation.

                  Like the fact that the surest way to mislead an opponent is to tell the truth wink And there let him think .... repeat
                4. DMB_95
                  DMB_95 5 May 2018 19: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: passerby
                  What is publicly voiced may not have anything to do with reality, but may be intentional misinformation.

                  Misinformation through a public speech by the President ??
                  1. passerby
                    passerby 5 May 2018 20: 06
                    +1
                    Remember the Crimea ...
                5. LMN
                  LMN 5 May 2018 21: 12
                  +8
                  Quote: passerby
                  I do not share your blind faith. What is publicly voiced may not have anything to do with reality, but may be intentional misinformation.

                  Has GDP been caught bluffing at least once? request
                  1. kig
                    kig 6 May 2018 04: 46
                    +3
                    It is impossible to establish such a fact for 99.999999% of the population, since it (the population) cannot accurately assess the topic about which the GDP is broadcasting. But the silence of the facts on his part took place, for example, on the issue of the location of our military in the Crimea-2014. In general, bluffing for a politician is one of the methods of work.
                  2. passerby
                    passerby 6 May 2018 08: 36
                    +4
                    There were many statements about the grave consequences of certain actions on the part of the United States or other Western countries, but no one is observing any consequences, grave or not very, for these countries.
                  3. I am Russian
                    I am Russian 6 May 2018 10: 10
                    +2
                    Quote: LMN
                    Has GDP been caught bluffing at least once?

                    yes, please read. There is still a video on YouTube, you find yourself or give a link?
            2. Bad_santa
              Bad_santa 5 May 2018 19: 12
              +17
              I will tell you a secret. In the part in which I served, they attacked sea targets from Tochka-U. In the exercises, such attacks were carried out. Still on the old samples were warheads with a passive radar homing head. The range of MS was simply huge for this type of weapon (the choice of cowards in the Chinese market). Considering that the military, taking new weapons, very painfully perceives moments when a new weapon has less capabilities than the previous one, we can say that all the capabilities on the Iskander remained from the Point, but the characteristics were increased. Even some new features have appeared. Just if you think logically, you can confidently say that the dagger is quite capable of hitting moving targets, even with a filling from Iskander
              1. passerby
                passerby 5 May 2018 19: 42
                +4
                You read what I wrote about? The question is that the GOS can hardly function when flying at hypersonic speeds in the atmosphere. In addition, the effectiveness of a passive homing radar when firing at moving ships is doubtful. At least the main homing channel for all anti-ship missiles in service in the world is the active radar homing head, and not the passive radar seeker.
                1. Bad_santa
                  Bad_santa 5 May 2018 20: 47
                  +9
                  If the dagger most of the time moves at an altitude of 50 km like Iskander, then given the low resistance of the atmosphere from this altitude, it is possible to direct the missile at the target and go through the inertial guidance system for the remaining part of the trajectory. Thinking for 10-15 seconds of this path, the target will not go beyond the radius of defeat. Another thing is that there is an equation with several unknowns: we don’t know the exact speed of the rocket, we don’t know the altitude of the missile, we don’t know if it contains false targets, we don’t know what kind of engine it is, we don’t know its mass. In short, we don’t know anything about her and most likely we won’t know for a long time. One can only say for sure - to create protection against the effects of overheating when moving in dense layers of the atmosphere at such a speed is possible, but only for a few seconds before the complete burning of MS. This is enough to not hit the target on the surface of the earth without slowing down
                  1. kig
                    kig 6 May 2018 04: 39
                    0
                    So, not only we break our heads - maybe or not - but also other interested characters. And what kind of filling is there and how it works, we will find out through .. I don’t know how much. The interest is understandable, I want to understand and do not want to take on faith. But in essence, disputes on this topic are useless, because we do not own all the information, and even Google will not help. The main thing is that it works.
                  2. passerby
                    passerby 6 May 2018 06: 31
                    +4
                    Let's count. 10 Machs, this is 12250 km / h or 3402 m / s. Thus, a distance of 50 km (the height of the missile) it will cover in about 15 seconds. The speed of the aircraft carrier is 30 knots or 55,56 km / h or 15,4 m / s, i.e. in 15 seconds the aircraft carrier will overcome 231 meters. From which it follows that missile missile guidance on an aircraft carrier from a height of 50 km will be 231 meters. When firing a rocket with a nuclear warhead, this is not essential, but when firing a rocket with a conventional warhead, this is a miss.
                    1. Bad_santa
                      Bad_santa 6 May 2018 09: 47
                      +1
                      For 15 seconds, an aircraft carrier can only begin a maneuver, but it will not go far from the calculated point. A dagger can be beaten by pre-calculated data
                      1. passerby
                        passerby 6 May 2018 10: 32
                        0
                        How can I calculate where the Aircraft Carrier will turn, if anything, he also has radars and he will see the “Dagger”. Do you really think he will continue to move uniformly and rectilinearly until a rocket hits him? He will also maneuver and in 15 seconds at a speed of 30 knots he “maneuvers” 231 meters in any direction, where his captain and ship inertia want.
                    2. Servisinzhener
                      Servisinzhener 6 May 2018 12: 11
                      +1
                      There is a good old formula for calculating the speed of distance and time, so calculating the lead point is not a problem. And considering that the ship with a displacement of 100 tons is inert to say the least, in 15 seconds it will have little time to go.
                  3. Kerensky
                    Kerensky 6 May 2018 11: 44
                    0
                    In short, we don’t know anything about her and most likely we won’t know for a long time.

                    Well, something we can estimate. There is definitely strong ceramics .... Well, and the rest ...
                2. dauria
                  dauria 5 May 2018 22: 23
                  +2
                  You read what I wrote about? The question is that the GOS can hardly function when flying at hypersonic speeds in the atmosphere.


                  Excuse me, where did the data come from that "could not"? Spent OCD or something else? Is there something specific in altitude, speed, aerodynamic form, frequency of the radar signal? And then they started, like a prayer, "plasma, plasma." If there is such expensive work, then no one will tell us. So without "Hardly able to." Here, as with religion - your right not to believe or to believe laughing
                  1. passerby
                    passerby 6 May 2018 04: 30
                    +1
                    If the problem of installing an active radar seeker on missiles flying at hypersonic speeds were resolved, we would see this by indirect signs. For example, the creation of new materials transparent to radio waves that can withstand temperatures of up to 1000 degrees and strong mechanical stresses. But no one heard of such materials.
                    1. XXXIII
                      XXXIII 6 May 2018 07: 50
                      +1
                      Quote: bystander
                      If the problem of installing an active radar seeker on missiles flying at hypersonic speeds were resolved, we would see this by indirect signs. For example, the creation of new materials transparent to radio waves that can withstand temperatures of up to 1000 degrees and strong mechanical stresses. But no one heard of such materials.

                      One acquaintance said that there are alloys of "metals" which do not even have a name, only a number; these alloys surpass all available public samples in properties. There are workshops where they do a lot of things and they won’t be able to see or find out, as soon as an outsider found out the formula, it means that he’s divulged state secrets, they will keep him silent for the rest of his life .... yes hi
                      1. passerby
                        passerby 6 May 2018 08: 31
                        +2
                        The scope of radiolucent materials with heat and mechanical strength superior to titanium alloys is so wide that it is simply impossible to keep such materials secret. It is much more likely that such materials simply do not exist.
            3. Hire
              Hire 5 May 2018 19: 45
              +14
              Quote: bystander
              it can be intercepted by aircraft by interceptors on the mid-flight section of the flight when it has not reached hypersonic flight speed

              Mistake It starts with the MiG-31BM, already flying at a supersonic speed at an altitude of about 20 km. After the powder rocket engine is turned on, it accelerates to hypersound and gains altitude of about 40 km. There it flies with hypersonic speed to the target area. And how and how, tell me, will the measures intercept it?
              1. passerby
                passerby 5 May 2018 20: 08
                +3
                I do not want to rewrite what I wrote above again, you apparently did not carefully read what I wrote.
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            5. URAL72
              URAL72 5 May 2018 20: 34
              +8
              I am not at all in the subject, but let me suggest an idea on aiming at a target. Maybe they will give me the Shnobel Prize winked So, the rocket enters the atmosphere along a steep steep trajectory, which means it is not far from the target where a large ship can already be detected on-board radar seeker. Next, the on-board computer calculates the parameters where the target will be after X seconds of hypersonic approach. Then the entrance to the dense layers of the atmosphere, where a plasma cloud forms, but given the speed and lead, the tracking of the target is no longer necessary. The carrier carcass is large, it goes in the warrant, it may not see the rocket, where and when will it maneuver at such times? Given that the number of carriers will be limited tomorrow, a dagger is more important than a nuclear dagger, then in general ... oops. There are few aircraft carriers in the world through which we can hit the usual charge and not get a nuclear response. So I think the point is not in the head, but in the guidance algorithm. Critics! Read the first line! laughing
              1. Bad_santa
                Bad_santa 5 May 2018 21: 04
                +4
                I wrote about this above. It is quite possible that this is so. Only in an aircraft carrier it is possible in this way and the usual training warhead to get and he will sink. Kinetic energy is quite enough to break it like a Tuzik heating pad.
              2. artifact
                artifact 5 May 2018 22: 27
                0
                ] I'm not at all in the subject, but let me suggest an idea [/ quote]
                I have an idea AT MY LOOK more interesting.
                [quote = URAL72] There are few aircraft carriers in the world through which we can hit with an ordinary charge and not get a nuclear response [/ quote]
                you don’t even need to drown anyone. just disable
                1. Grits
                  Grits 6 May 2018 13: 18
                  0
                  With the roll of an aircraft carrier only a few degrees, the aircraft can no longer take off from it. That is, it ceases to fulfill its function, can hang out for a long time with a huge, not drowned trough
            6. flicker
              flicker 5 May 2018 23: 56
              0
              If the “Dagger” is modified for use with an Iskander aircraft, then it apparently cannot hit moving targets, since information that the Iskander can do this has never surfaced.
              You have an interesting logic, according to it the Dagger will not hit the stationary target (although there was a video where it hit), since it starts from detached coordinates, unlike Iskander.
              True, I doubt very much that the Dagger will need to hit the Barmaley tachanka stop . And getting into an aircraft carrier would not be a problem for him.
            7. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 6 May 2018 05: 23
              +2
              Quote: bystander
              Most likely the rocket reaches hypersonic flight speeds only in the final section of the trajectory after the target is detected and the GOS is pointed at it. If this is actually so, then apparently this missile has the same drawback that Basalt and Granite had - it can be intercepted by planes interceptors on the marching part of the flight when it has not reached hypersonic flight speed,

              If you stick to the analogy with the Iskander, the Iskander’s engine doesn’t work like that .. The “pointing method” you proposed will not be effective (there is a high chance of a miss) ... A similar method was used in an experimental hypersonic kinetic PT rocket , (but) range: 4-5 km .... develops hypersonic speed at a distance of 0,5 km (500 m) from a target (tank) that is moving relatively slowly ... We must rely on problems with controllability of "objects in the plasma cloud "are being solved and will be solved ... Development of hypersonic enitnyh missiles for the S-400, C-500 ... systems A-235, blocks the "Vanguard" let's hope so. On the Internet you can find descriptions of alleged ways to control hypersonic "devices" ...
            8. gippernano
              gippernano 6 May 2018 12: 22
              0
              If the "Dagger" is modified for use with the Iskander aircraft, then it apparently cannot hit moving targets

              But it will help NATO servicemen not to rack their brains: - whether to return to their homeland in the Stone Age, or to stay to work in the rapidly developing Russian north.
        2. Equalized
          Equalized 5 May 2018 17: 26
          +2
          Well, if the usual OTRK Iskander (the one that has a ballistic missile, not a cruise missile) will not be fired at the cruiser, then it is logical to assume that the air version is not suitable for this.

          Here most likely the main thing is the increased range to 1000 + km
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 5 May 2018 17: 37
            +13
            Equalized
            Here most likely the main thing is the increased range to 1000 + km
            You can guess until tomorrow. It’s clear that under the MIG this rocket hits even further. Due to the flight range of the aircraft itself. Yes, what kind of aircraft! Well, the fact that the “Dagger” looks like some Iskander ammunition. looks like. The main thing in the sight is all that is possible at medium distances from Russia.
            1. Hire
              Hire 5 May 2018 18: 47
              +17
              Quote: Observer2014
              The main thing in the sight is all that is possible at medium distances from Russia.

              In general, it seems to me that this is a way to overcome the limitations of the INF Treaty.
              1. Observer2014
                Observer2014 5 May 2018 18: 52
                +9
                Hire Victor:
                In general, it seems to me that this is a way to overcome the limitations of the INF Treaty.
                But you are observant bully hi
                1. Hire
                  Hire 5 May 2018 19: 27
                  +9
                  Quote: Observer2014
                  But you are observant

                  hi laughing laughing It is what it is. Yes, I am like this! laughing
            2. gippernano
              gippernano 6 May 2018 12: 30
              0
              Well, the fact that the “Dagger” is similar to some Iskander ammunition

              Vabscheto that this is a modification of Iskander, there was an assumption of some kind of expert, and no more. And the information that the Dagger was controlled throughout its path was announced, in connection with the preparation of the parade, by one of the developers.
              And further. It was immediately said that it flies to a range of 2000 km, in conventional equipment, and develops a speed of up to ten max.
        3. figwam
          figwam 5 May 2018 17: 46
          +1
          Quote: SSR

          Question. And how does his MiG-31 aim at a cruiser type target?

          I think it is induced as well as anti-ship missiles "Granite", reconnaissance planes, drones, space take part in the search for targets.
          1. PN
            PN 5 May 2018 19: 17
            +1
            Granite seems to be imprisoned for satellite.
        4. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 5 May 2018 18: 31
          +13
          Quote: SSR
          And how does his MiG-31 aim at a cruiser target?

          I can assume that the TS goes through the satellite, a system like Liana. There is a navigator operator in the 31K cabin, this is his job. For on D = 2000km no onboard AFAR can see the sea target. Therefore, they shoot in the area of ​​the probable position of the target, and then the avionics of the aeroballistic “Dagger” from an altitude of 40 km leads an additional search (detection, identification, target capture by signature card index). Perhaps the guidance correction comes from space, but this is only an assumption. Moreover, it is not 100% in wartime, they can suppress, bring down, take away ...
          IMHO.
        5. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 5 May 2018 18: 59
          +5
          Question. And how does his MiG-31 aim at a cruiser type target?

          Something like this......
          MOSCOW, April 19. / TASS /. The Briz-M upper stage launched a spacecraft launched into the target orbit last night from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in the interests of the Russian Defense Ministry

          And as the MiG-31 overclocking system, it’s just a unique idea
        6. pjastolov
          pjastolov 5 May 2018 21: 59
          +3
          Quote: SSR
          Question. And how does his MiG-31 aim at a cruiser type target?

          on a tip, can I write another algorithm? or do you think plasma can be controlled?
          1. Corporal Pupkin
            Corporal Pupkin 6 May 2018 07: 27
            +1
            not, well, if this "plasma" is hanging on your wall, then .."why not !?" laughing
            Butfor some reason it seems to me,what...
            Much of the “Dagger" trajectory flies WITHOUT \ OUT of "plasma formation"! wink
            For, on the heights ABOVE ...NN - km, and certain speeds plasma formation DOES NOT HAPPEN! wink
            1. pjastolov
              pjastolov 6 May 2018 10: 49
              +2
              Quote: Corporal Pupkin
              But for some reason it seems to me that ...

              it is necessary to be baptized when it seems that no one has denied it yet
        7. Corporal Pupkin
          Corporal Pupkin 6 May 2018 07: 09
          +1
          yes, clean, - "on a hunch"... request
          all ships are tracked through the Internet wassat , well, or ("to the extreme" wink ) our satellite detects an enemy aircraft carrier \ cruiser ... transmits TsU (personally to Putin soldier ) ... The MiG-31 takes off in the direction of the adversary ships ... in the flight, the control center is specified (it is possible to capture the missile seeker of the target), or, simply, on "the ball is scorching over the squares" ( closed target shooting), and after approaching the GOS discovers a target ... And ... "zvizdets"! A maneuver is likely on the final section of the “hill” type trajectory 30-40 km upwards to enter dead funnel The missile defense of the ship, with the final correction of target determination before a hypersonic ballistic fall on the target in the dense lower layers of the atmosphere.
      2. artifact
        artifact 5 May 2018 19: 27
        0
        Quote: figvam
        Quote: Equalized
        This is an air launch ballistic missile.

        Yes, we can say that this is so. If he can really hit a moving ship, then ours in the Mediterranean are protected.

        that's what I think, why hit a ship if a missile with such performance characteristics can disable a whole group of ships, roughly speaking with an electromagnetic pulse, disable electronics. and then if you need to shoot the adversary with cheaper ammunition.
    2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 5 May 2018 17: 35
      +7
      Quote: Equalized
      but it looks like a modification of the Iskander missile for an air launch.

      In general, it is similar. And ten planes at least something.

    3. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 5 May 2018 17: 37
      +7
      Quote: Equalized
      I didn’t really go into the details of the “Dagger”, but it looks like a modification of the Iskander missile for an air launch. That is, it is an air launch ballistic missile.

      The engines of these glands are completely different. Iskander starts at a speed of zero km / h, the dagger cannot. Its engine needs a supersonic input air speed.
      1. figwam
        figwam 5 May 2018 18: 13
        +4
        Quote: Vkd dvk
        The engines of these glands are completely different. The Iskander starts at a speed of zero km / h, the Dagger cannot do this. Its engine needs a supersonic input air speed.

        Everything is the same in the engine, the Mig-31 is the first step for the rocket, which gives the dagger supersonic speed and brings the rocket to a high altitude so that as a result it flies a distance of 2000 km, which is not available for Iskander.
        1. Pollux
          Pollux 5 May 2018 20: 25
          +1
          Quote: figvam
          Everything is the same in the engine; the Mig-31 is the first step for a rocket

          This is not entirely true, a classic rocket carries an oxidizing agent and a reducing agent, an airplane carries only a reducing agent, it takes an oxidizing agent from the atmosphere, I don’t know how everything works with a dagger.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 5 May 2018 20: 37
            +6
            Quote: Pollux
            a classic rocket carries an oxidizer and reducing agentthe plane carries reducing agent only

            At a loss ... and I thought, there is also fuel ... belay
            1. Pollux
              Pollux 5 May 2018 21: 09
              +3
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              At a loss ... and I thought, there is also fuel ...

              Fuel is the plebeian name of the reducing agent; if you understand it that way, so be it.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 5 May 2018 21: 17
                +5
                Quote: Pollux
                Fuel is the plebeian name for the reducing agent

                Oh how belay
                I, dragging one, a physical chemist in the diploma, you, that ... more carefully - I bite wink
                1. Pollux
                  Pollux 5 May 2018 21: 54
                  +3
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  I, dragging one, a physical chemist by diploma,

                  Then your diploma will not help, they teach it at school. And "bite" what to relate to? To physical education or ...?
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 5 May 2018 22: 32
                    +3
                    Quote: Pollux
                    And "bite" what to relate to?

                    - ... an ultimatum. What is it, I don’t know ...
                    - This is such an international word. They will beat ...
                    1. Pollux
                      Pollux 6 May 2018 19: 47
                      0
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      They will beat ...

                      Will they beat? Well, I flew ...
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 6 May 2018 20: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: Pollux
                        Well, I flew ...

                        Have you filled in fuel? Or again just a reducing agent? laughing
              2. alexmach
                alexmach 5 May 2018 22: 04
                +4
                But the plebeian Wikipedia reports that in general the Iskander rocket is solid fuel ... that is, it also takes an oxidizer from the atmosphere ..
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 5 May 2018 22: 29
                  +5
                  Quote: alexmach
                  that is, it also takes the oxidizer from the atmosphere

                  Ummm ... not really. That is - not at all like that laughing
                  Compound solid fuels (CTT) are a mixture of solid fuels and an oxidizing agent

                  This, including about Iskander, too yes
            2. AVA77
              AVA77 5 May 2018 21: 42
              +3
              Oxidizing agent, reducing agent. Main Eraser laughing
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 5 May 2018 21: 45
                +5
                Quote: AVA77
                Oxidant, reducing agent

                Yes, no ... for some reason, when I used the word “reducing agent”, I recalled Coca-Cola with phosphoric acid ... I introduced it to myself as a fuel, laughing
              2. Pollux
                Pollux 5 May 2018 21: 56
                +3
                Quote: AVA77
                Oxidizing agent, reducing agent. Main Eraser

                The eraser in the head of the rocket Uranus235
                1. AVA77
                  AVA77 6 May 2018 00: 51
                  +2
                  Plutonium is more practical. The critical mass is less, therefore it can be thrown further. Yes and more am
          2. Servisinzhener
            Servisinzhener 6 May 2018 12: 24
            0
            Just like any solid rocket. "fuel bomb" - for example, missile experts will forgive me, it is both an oxidizing agent and a reducing agent. Like for example on the side accelerator of the shuttle. In which the fuel consists of a mixture of ammonium perchlorate, aluminum, iron oxide, a polymer serving as a binder, stabilizer and additional fuel and an epoxy hardener.
      2. Corporal Pupkin
        Corporal Pupkin 6 May 2018 07: 32
        +1
        WHY (him "air") ??? request
        But, if its flight path is calculated over 40 km? wink
    4. flicker
      flicker 5 May 2018 17: 38
      +2
      similar to the Iskander rocket modification
      Well, actually, all missiles are alike ...
    5. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 5 May 2018 19: 11
      +5
      That's right. Therefore, there is no talk of hits on moving targets.
      They simply increased the radius of Iskander's defeat.
      1. Stiletto_711
        Stiletto_711 5 May 2018 19: 44
        +7
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Therefore, there is no talk of hits on moving targets.
        They simply increased the radius of Iskander's defeat.

        Did you read to us the text from a poster hanging on the bridge of USS Harry S. Truman? laughing laughing laughing
        But seriously, I don’t see any problem to equip the GOS missile to work on moving targets hi
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 5 May 2018 20: 07
          +3
          Ballistic missile? Then all the Yars and Minutemen would have been equipped with them for a long time.
      2. san4es
        san4es 5 May 2018 20: 26
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        ... Therefore, there is no talk of hits on moving targets ..

        hi ... Goes ... So Comrade Kedmi thinks so:

        ... Behind the fairing on the head, you can see the gas-dynamic rudders, for high speeds:
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII 5 May 2018 21: 18
          +5
          Quote: san4es
          Behind the fairing on the head, you can see the gas-dynamic rudders, for high speeds

          Iskander-M using a rocket with correlation GOS - The rocket is made using technologies to reduce radar visibility (the so-called "Stealth technology"): a small dispersion surface, a small size of protruding parts, a radar absorbing coating. The guidance system is mixed: inertial in the initial and middle sections of the flight and optical in the final sections of the flight, thereby achieving a high accuracy of 5-7 m hits. GLONASS can be used in addition to the inertial pointing system. There are several modifications of the rocket, differing in warhead and telemetry. Missiles in flight can receive remotely new target coordinates by radio, which allows them to hit moving targets (including ships).
          The optical GSN 9B918 manufactured by NPP Radar MMS is infrared and allows you to find the coordinates of a target using landmarks on the ground even on a moonless night. The advantage of an optical seeker is its stability against the use of electronic warfare by the enemy to suppress satellite navigation signals or radio commands.
          It’s even impossible to imagine what one “Dagger” can do with an aircraft carrier, right off the bat .... am
          Enterprise
          As a result of a rocket explosion, a severe fire broke out in the aft of the aircraft carrier, which, in turn, caused a series of explosions of aircraft bombs and unguided aircraft missiles. According to the data collected by the commission and eyewitness accounts, in just 20 minutes, 18 powerful explosions occurred on the flight deck of the nuclear submarine, including eight detonating bombs with a caliber of 500 pounds (227 kg). In more detail, according to the events of that day, recovered during the investigation, the ammunition was the first to explode on the aft part of the starboard side of the F-4J Phantom II aircraft carrier (aircraft number 103), as a result of which a large source of fire arose in that area.

          However, after a while, namely at 8:26 in the same area of ​​the flight deck, another powerful explosion occurred - it was caused by the simultaneous detonation of ammunition suspended on several A-7 B Corsair II attack aircraft and including 500-pound unguided bombs Zuni missiles and more than 400 shells of 20 mm caliber for aircraft guns.
          1. san4es
            san4es 5 May 2018 21: 41
            +5
            hi Defeat the training target. Iranian ballistic anti-ship missiles "Khalij Fars"
            ... Iranian engineers managed to successfully solve one of the most difficult tasks in the development of ballistic anti-ship missiles - the search for a moving surface target with subsequent guidance on it. Target designation for the complex is proposed to be carried out using radar and other means of detection. According to them, the missile system should calculate the flight program for the active flight section, with which the missile, after transition to the descending part of the trajectory, should go to the target area. Detection and tracking of the target with subsequent guidance of the rocket is proposed to carry out infrared or television GOS.
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 5 May 2018 23: 30
            +7
            The optical seeker looks like this:

            Do you see such a head part on the Dagger?
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII 6 May 2018 00: 00
              +7
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Do you see such a head part on the Dagger?

              The cover was probably put, 12m all the same speed .... laughing
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 6 May 2018 09: 40
                0
                Great illustration.
                Lower rocket - with seeker.
                See how it differs in the shape of the head
                parts from those daggers that are suspended under the MiG
                1. XXXIII
                  XXXIII 6 May 2018 12: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Great illustration.
                  Lower rocket - with seeker.
                  See how it differs in the shape of the head
                  parts from those daggers that are suspended under the MiG

                  Yes, they are different, but I don’t know which rocket was set for testing, maybe some kind of special fairing was made, or maybe for the open tests or for the media they put just another rocket. Fairings are not very different, they want clearly affects the speed. The last two from above, I think, do not differ much in speed, since they are similar, but the first from the top can obviously fly faster.
                  In general, I didn’t find a missile or a launcher with the GOS, they are all with a fairing or it’s training, and the combat ones are tested in closed training grounds without spectators, probably a secret how else to answer .... request...... According to google it can eat exactly a rocket with GOS, I did not come across anything .... hi
      3. Corporal Pupkin
        Corporal Pupkin 6 May 2018 07: 36
        +3
        Are you aware of what you’ve seen correctly?
        Do you distinguish radiolucent nose fairings of rockets / planes from "ordinary" ones?
        Well, if on the “Dagger” a radio-transparent nose cone, does THIS “say anything” to you? wink
    6. venik
      venik 5 May 2018 19: 17
      +1
      Quote: Equalized
      I didn’t really go into the details of the Dagger.

      ========
      Well, to "penetrate" then you are not just can not, since the "detailed information" can only be announced to you by the Head of the Counterintelligence Directorate ......
      ------
      Quote: Equalized
      but it looks like a modification of the Iskander missile for an air launch. That is, it is an air launch ballistic missile.

      =====
      Well, given that the Iskander rockets have a speed close to hypersonic (2 m / s), it’s not difficult to guess !!!
    7. lopvlad
      lopvlad 5 May 2018 19: 18
      +1
      Quote: Equalized
      I didn’t really go into the details of the Dagger.


      it is understandable that if they delved into it, they knew that there was a small nuclear reactor as an engine, hence the range and speed. The Iskander has a conventional non-nuclear engine.
  2. NEXUS
    NEXUS 5 May 2018 17: 14
    +6
    Why are only 10 MIGs equipped with Daggers? Daggers would be pulled to the Crimea ...
    1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
      Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 5 May 2018 17: 18
      +4
      Quote: NEXUS
      Why are only 10 MIGs equipped with Daggers?

      I think everything depends on finances. But it wasn’t bad at all to transfer the reinforced link of these wonderful birds to the 102nd base.
      1. dorz
        dorz 5 May 2018 17: 27
        0
        Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
        I think everything depends on finances. But it wasn’t bad at all to transfer the reinforced link of these wonderful birds to the 102nd base.

        It is written that they stand on test duty. The Americans suggest that the series will appear only in 2020.
        1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
          Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 5 May 2018 17: 31
          +6
          Quote: dorz
          Americans suggest

          It’s like I’m turning the stone that your damned “friends” are supposed to! To me, it’s much more important what the otd.planir. General Staff of the Russian Federation thinks ???
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 5 May 2018 18: 50
            +7
            Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
            To me, it’s much more important what the Department of General Staff of the Russian Federation thinks ???

            Sorry, but what the hell !? belay
            1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
              Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 5 May 2018 18: 58
              +1
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              I'm sorry

              Accepted. So, by the way, apologize, ask?
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              And what is this !? belay

              Ento? Smiley, FeldMarshal!
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 5 May 2018 19: 45
                +6
                Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
                Ento? Smiley, FeldMarshal!

                Mal Lei, you do not strain so! I-no fool ... yes
                For a close-up, look at the structure of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and try to find a "planning department" in it. As you will find, please post to the studio. And before that, do not bother being smart enough ... Lada? laughing
                1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
                  Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 5 May 2018 21: 19
                  +2
                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  For a close-up, look at the structure of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and try to find a "planning department" in it.

                  It can be seen, what is your General Staff ?! What is missing an important unit, planning and implementation, tasks of the strategic assignment of troops. For example, 2 Chechen companies (especially the assault, you yourself know which city), well, and the cherry on the cake: IhTamNet ".
                  1. Boa kaa
                    Boa kaa 5 May 2018 21: 36
                    +4
                    Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
                    It can be seen, what is your General Staff ?! What is missing an important unit, planning and implementation, the tasks of the strategic appointment of troops.

                    You can’t joke! Really GOU disbanded ??? belay
                    Well, damn it, bad luck ... recourse
                2. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
                  Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 5 May 2018 21: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  do not strain so!

                  So, FeldMarshal has a reason to comprehend the bravura of your comment.
                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  don't push

                  Stay calm, with the stomach everything is okey, which you should clearly wish for.
          2. Seaflame
            Seaflame 5 May 2018 19: 04
            +5
            After the holidays, take a look at them for tea (well, to the departmental planner of the General Staff of the Russian Federation)! Tell us, do not voice the secret numbers, just say "all awesome boys" or "Kerov Mlyn"))
            1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
              Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 5 May 2018 19: 07
              +1
              Quote: Seaflame
              After the holidays, drop by them

              It was ordered not to let people like me go. The country of the current stay did not leave.
        2. lopvlad
          lopvlad 5 May 2018 21: 38
          +2
          There is infa that the ability to use the "Dagger" complex will be incorporated into the serial SU-57.
    2. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 5 May 2018 17: 22
      +5
      Andrei hi
      So, South Fed District is the Crimea, so to speak wink
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 5 May 2018 17: 26
        +3
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        Andrei

        Stas hi
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        So, South Fed District is the Crimea, so to speak

        Nuuu ... the hint would be a thick AUG of mattresses, when transferring Daggers to Crimea.
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 5 May 2018 17: 45
          +9
          NEXUS Andrei hi Why are you all Crimea, Crimea. Before Crimea, MIG 31 with this "Dagger" instantly fly from the Krasnodar Territory. Literally laughing Let's bring “Yars” to the Crimea to the heap: wassat drinks
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 5 May 2018 17: 49
            +4
            Quote: Observer2014
            Let's bring “Yars” to the Crimea to the heap:

            And then Yars? The AUG Matrassovskaya has already launched attacks on ISIS ... I said that daggers should be pulled closer, so that the United States has less temptation to iron regular parts of Syria.
            1. Observer2014
              Observer2014 5 May 2018 18: 04
              +6
              NEXUS Andrei, why are you shouting so ?! Here is a map of the Black Sea basin. Where is Crimea closer?

              I will repeat MIG31 very quickly over the Black Sea to the point of dumping. “Dagger”. Or do you expect the “Dagger” to be located as close as possible. Then it’s better to transfer it to Syria right away. And in general, “Dagger” on an experienced combat duty.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 5 May 2018 18: 15
                +3
                Quote: Observer2014
                NEXUS Andrei, why are you shouting so ?!

                I do not have such a habit, neither breaking furniture, nor breaking dishes ...
                Quote: Observer2014
                Here is a map of the Black Sea basin

                Thank you, I saw her ...
                Quote: Observer2014
                Or do you suggest "Dagger"

                And if they start to hit from the Red Sea? M.
                Quote: Observer2014
                And in general, "Dagger" on an experimental combat duty

                In fact, he passed the test.
                1. Observer2014
                  Observer2014 5 May 2018 18: 22
                  +3
                  NEXUS Andrei
                  And if they start to hit from the Red Sea? M
                  Are you sure that the Americans leaving the Norfolk base a couple of weeks ago did not provoke the launch of the Poseidon heels on duty? And who knows when American pilots and sailors click on the trigger and even surviving in the Red Sea there will be nowhere to return? crying
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 5 May 2018 18: 31
                    +4
                    Quote: Observer2014
                    even surviving pilots and sailors in the Red Sea will now have nowhere to return?

                    Well, why? Nearby are Saudi Arabia and Egypt.
                    1. Vkd dvk
                      Vkd dvk 5 May 2018 23: 03
                      +3
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Quote: Observer2014
                      even surviving pilots and sailors in the Red Sea will now have nowhere to return?

                      Well, why? Nearby are Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

                      There they have no registration. And - most importantly, they are greeted and bowed because they are BURNED! But if nothing is left from the island except ruins and nuclear ashes, maybe they will not notice? To feed the white beggars - is this an occupation for the king?
              2. Vita vko
                Vita vko 5 May 2018 19: 02
                +1
                Quote: Observer2014
                To the point of discharge of the “Dagger” I repeat MIG31 will take you very quickly over the Black Sea. Or do you expect the “Dagger” to be located as close as possible. Then it’s better to transfer it to Syria right away.

                Southern District is an ideal base for daggers and MiG-31K. The flight time to the aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean is only 10 -15 minutes. The only caveat is the passage through the territory of Turkey. But there are definitely no radio intelligence tools capable of detecting flying objects at hypersonic speeds.
                1. flicker
                  flicker 5 May 2018 19: 25
                  +1
                  The only caveat is the passage through the territory of Turkey.
                  The fact of hyperspeed itself will remove all questions ... all the more so for the state AUG.
              3. artifact
                artifact 5 May 2018 19: 55
                +1
                Quote: Observer2014
                NEXUS Andrei, why are you shouting so ?! Here is a map of the Black Sea basin. Where is Crimea closer?

                I will repeat MIG31 very quickly over the Black Sea to the point of dumping. “Dagger”. Or do you expect the “Dagger” to be located as close as possible. Then it’s better to transfer it to Syria right away. And in general, “Dagger” on an experienced combat duty.

                question. and the same dagger or another letak fly through Turkey?
                1. Норд
                  Норд 5 May 2018 22: 05
                  +1
                  Question: "Is it also forbidden for satellites to fly through Turkish territory?" Well, and then, if a decision is made on strikes at the AUG, then the General Staff does not hesitate the consent of the Aborigines ... at all. In such a situation, all the surrounding bash-bazouks will sit quieter than water, so that they do not accidentally fly over them. I think so
                  1. artifact
                    artifact 6 May 2018 02: 32
                    +1
                    Quote: Nord
                    Question: "Is it also forbidden for satellites to fly through Turkish territory?" Well, and then, if a decision is made on strikes at the AUG, then the General Staff does not hesitate the consent of the Aborigines ... at all. In such a situation, all the surrounding bash-bazouks will sit quieter than water, so that they do not accidentally fly over them. I think so

                    there is a political question. if it is Zimbabwe or Ukraine, then yes. on the side. and since the commander in chief is afraid of everything, I’m afraid that the altitude of 40 km above Turkey will be closed for reasons .... (put your assumptions on)
                2. Romulus
                  Romulus 6 May 2018 04: 52
                  0
                  Quote: artifact
                  question. and the same dagger or another letak fly through Turkey?

                  Do not ask "stupid" questions - they will order and fly. negative
                  Air defense of NATO countries, do not take it .. anyway, there are completely gay people behind the display). lol
                3. Servisinzhener
                  Servisinzhener 6 May 2018 12: 30
                  0
                  Not through, but above. If it comes to a slaughter with the United States and NATO, then at that moment they will not pay attention. Yes, and the Turks have nothing to bring down.
              4. Seaflame
                Seaflame 5 May 2018 20: 45
                +1
                We need control over the Bosphorus and access to the Indian Ocean drinks
                1. artifact
                  artifact 6 May 2018 02: 34
                  +4
                  Quote: Seaflame
                  We need control over the Bosphorus and access to the Indian Ocean drinks

                  "we need PEACE and preferably ALL"
                2. Romulus
                  Romulus 6 May 2018 04: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: Seaflame
                  We need control over the Bosphorus and access to the Indian Ocean drinks

                  What’s Michael? Anyway, Vladimir Volfych I recognized you .. fellow drinks soldier hi
                  (pathetic attempt to hammer under a Greek stake) lol
            2. figwam
              figwam 5 May 2018 18: 20
              0
              NEXUS

              Closer it is not necessary, the AUG is already in the zone of destruction of the Dagger, and the base with the MIGs is outside the zone of destruction of the Tomahawk.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 5 May 2018 18: 21
                +2
                Quote: figvam
                Closer it is not necessary, the AUG is already in the zone of destruction of the Dagger, and the base with the MIGs is outside the zone of destruction of the Tomahawk.

                What does the AUG have to do with it? What prevents Tika and Berks from starting to hit from the Red Sea?
                1. figwam
                  figwam 5 May 2018 18: 25
                  +6
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  What does the AUG have to do with it? What prevents Tika and Berks from starting to hit from the Red Sea?

                  The “Dagger" finishes the same there, also add the combat radius of the Mig-31 with refueling in the air, the total will be more than 4000 km.
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    3. venik
      venik 5 May 2018 17: 27
      +2
      Quote: NEXUS
      Why are only 10 MIGs equipped with Daggers? Daggers would be pulled to the Crimea ...

      ========
      So, sort of like and tightened ..... Where do you think are based??
      Well, why only 10? Well so, "rivet" more - there will be MORE !!!
    4. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 5 May 2018 17: 40
      +2
      Quote: NEXUS
      Why are only 10 MIGs equipped with Daggers? Daggers would be pulled to the Crimea ...

      I think not everyone can take off the load on supersonic. The dagger will not work at lower speeds. He needs high-speed incoming air for his ramjet engine.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 5 May 2018 17: 55
        +10
        Quote: Vkd dvk
        He needs high-speed incoming air for his ramjet engine

        Look at the photo for the article. This time (for a change, probably) it exactly matches the title of the article.
        In the photo - what is called the Dagger and what will be shown on May 9th at the parade.
        There is no ramjet engine there, as far as I understand in sausage scraps.
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 5 May 2018 18: 15
          +2
          Start from the plane, accelerating accelerators work out, and the air intakes of the direct exhaust pipes open ... So what, that they are not visible on the fairing ...
          1. Solomon Kane
            Solomon Kane 5 May 2018 19: 24
            +4
            Eugene! hi
            Everything works out for 5+
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 5 May 2018 19: 13
          +4
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          There is no ramjet engine there, as far as I understand in sausage scraps.

          There are definitely no air intakes ... Most likely, the solid propellant rocket engine, possibly external combustion, but so far not detonation. The flight altitude (40km seems to be) in a rarefied atmosphere allows you to fly quickly and far. Optical sensors - determine the main target by its signature .. So, this is all that can be pulled out of the pictures that appeared in the open press.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 5 May 2018 21: 00
            +2
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            So, this is all that can be pulled out of the pictures that appeared in the open press.

            Sasha hi I have big doubts that what they showed us is the same Dagger ... I suspect that it looks different.
        3. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 5 May 2018 20: 09
          +2
          There is an ordinary Iskander rocket engine. Burns out in a dozen seconds. Then the rocket flies along a ballistic trajectory.
        4. Vkd dvk
          Vkd dvk 5 May 2018 23: 08
          +1
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Quote: Vkd dvk
          He needs high-speed incoming air for his ramjet engine

          Look at the photo for the article. This time (for a change, probably) it exactly matches the title of the article.
          In the photo - what is called the Dagger and what will be shown on May 9th at the parade.
          There is no ramjet engine there, as far as I understand in sausage scraps.

          So I'm wrong.
    5. Dart2027
      Dart2027 5 May 2018 17: 53
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      Daggers would be pulled to the Crimea ...

      What for? There are coastal missile systems.
    6. Bully
      Bully 5 May 2018 18: 14
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      Why are only 10 MIGs equipped with Daggers? Daggers would be pulled to the Crimea ...

      About 10 complexes we were informed officially, but how many of them are actually known only to the initiates. Logic suggests that the military is not required to inform the general public about a military secret
    7. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 May 2018 18: 57
      0
      What did you think 100.
    8. venik
      venik 5 May 2018 19: 26
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      Why are only 10 MIGs equipped with Daggers? Daggers would be pulled to the Crimea ...

      =========
      Well, apparently, they exactly there and are (well, or at least - "next"!), because The main airbases of the South-Eastern Military District are in Rostov, the region, near Novorossiysk and in the Crimea .......
      Well, "why only 10"? Well, actually it’s necessary to set up rockets and convert the planes, and train pilots .... How many will be in a year ??? 100, 200, 300 (??) ...
      This is not for me (this is for the Head of counterintelligence !!). I don’t know if he has such information, but I think he can “enlighten” the “willing” ... lol
    9. yaaazzz
      yaaazzz 5 May 2018 20: 10
      +1
      A total of 31 left about 120. Well, not all the same, fighters can be remade into bearers of a "dagger." In general, one hit will be enough for an aircraft carrier.
      1. albert
        albert 5 May 2018 20: 49
        +1
        120 mig-31 in the interceptor variant. There are about a hundred mobs of old modifications in storage. They can also be used as carriers for the “Dagger”.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 5 May 2018 22: 20
          +1
          It is not clear why to make a rocket sharpened exclusively for MIG-31. The car is of course unique, and interestingly complements the capabilities of the complex, but if we make weapons that could be used with everything that is available, for example, with the same SU-34 ...

          PS: what is this blink in the modification is not an interceptor then?
    10. san4es
      san4es 5 May 2018 20: 41
      +4
      Quote: NEXUS
      Why are only 10 MIGs equipped with Daggers ?.

      hi ... Yeah, I would like to see another Tu-22M3

      ... instead of X-22
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 5 May 2018 21: 05
        +2
        Quote: san4es
        Yeah, I would like another Tu-22M3

        I have repeatedly spoken about the X-32 ... the rocket is wonderful and the mattresses have no antidotes to it. And since the 32nd dimensions are the same as the X-22, then all TU-22M3 can carry it.
    11. alexmach
      alexmach 5 May 2018 22: 11
      +1
      Because they are all ... And by the way, how many of them all are left then? And a substantial part of them are occupied for their intended purpose.
    12. Corporal Pupkin
      Corporal Pupkin 6 May 2018 07: 39
      +1
      Yes Yes...
      "The dagger at the woman must go below the waist, but there’s higher kalen, and the hee hee is lower .. kalEn!" wassat
  3. Patriot5000
    Patriot5000 5 May 2018 17: 19
    +1
    even I thought there was a ramjet engine ... you see, like an iskander. it is a pity that one moment only pulls .. but that's good.
    1. Equalized
      Equalized 5 May 2018 17: 23
      +2
      The fairing differs from the base iskander and there is still a small marching engine in the back

      1. figwam
        figwam 5 May 2018 17: 38
        +4
        Quote: Equalized
        and there’s still a small marching engine in the back

        At the back is just a cap that is reset when starting up.
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 5 May 2018 18: 05
          +6
          Quote: figvam
          just a cap that is reset at startup.

          As can be seen from the photos of the rocket launch.
  4. Patriot5000
    Patriot5000 5 May 2018 17: 20
    0
    even when they showed the mount of the rocket ... well, somehow they made a clumsy recess in the hull. can modify. so that aerodynamics do not suffer. otherwise everything is rectangular.
  5. Abram
    Abram 5 May 2018 17: 22
    +3
    tell us about the "plasma cocoon tear," Pts interesting winked And the literature on this topic. screaming "these are top-secret technologies of closed research institutes!" not considered winked
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 5 May 2018 18: 00
      +6
      The 10 M Plasma Cocoon is not too dense. And, I suspect, she doesn't spur all the time at this speed. There is a marching section to the target area, this one is being driven at speed. Moreover, when the speed is 3 km / s - then two thousand kilometers - 12 minutes. Then the rocket goes into active aiming mode, and attacks the target not on board, but vertically from above. The most unpleasant angle for ship's air defense. Radars “do not see” the attacking rocket from the zenith!
      And no one can shoot at it. And there the usual speed, for example, 3 M. From a height of 20 km - 20 seconds ... and the rocket pierces the ship to the keel. Even in the form of a blank.
      1. Abram
        Abram 5 May 2018 18: 28
        +2
        I suspect that too. The hypersonic X-51A Waverider, shuttles have a special coating. The Dagger doesn’t - it means the hypersound there is short-lived, like in the far-field air defense missiles. And at the expense of interception - the missile due to the high trajectory will be monitored all the time of the flight, there is a lot of time for the reaction. SM-6 with an active homing system can not intercept when the attack occurs at 90 degrees?
        1. Corporal Pupkin
          Corporal Pupkin 6 May 2018 14: 32
          +1
          the SM-6 has a ceiling of 33 km.
          Probably the bulk of the dagger trajectory goes higher.
          And, judging by the radiolucent fairing, it has an active seeker.
          This involves the detection of not only surface (ground?) Targets, but also airborne (such as SM-3, SM-6) with the possibility of anti-ballistic maneuver ...
  6. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 5 May 2018 17: 24
    +3
    There will be a couple of these at the parade.
    I saw the rehearsal of the parade (its aviation part, from the window at work), the last one was the MIG-31 pair with the white missile “on the belly”.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 5 May 2018 17: 30
      +2
      the ammunition is unlikely to be suspended - the model is most likely. And in Nsk today the rehearsal of the Parade is rain, then the snow has started. Nobody flew recourse
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 5 May 2018 17: 35
        +7
        Quote: Tlauicol
        the ammunition is unlikely to be suspended - the layout is most likely

        Well, it’s not possible to understand from below, although it’s very unlikely that it’s combat
        But - it’s really impressive when everyone takes turns literally over the roof. The 16th floor of a sixteen-story building, the wall is glass, and this whole company is coming directly from the horizon towards us ...
        I found a good job, but laughing
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 5 May 2018 17: 30
      +2
      Quote: Golovan Jack
      the last was a pair of MIG-31 with a white missile “on the belly”.

      Maybe Peresvet will show it live.
      1. Voyager
        Voyager 5 May 2018 20: 42
        +2
        Borisov said they would not show. Perhaps in a few years, when the next modernization will take place and the complex will be more mobile.
  7. Egorovich
    Egorovich 5 May 2018 17: 37
    +1
    Ten Daggers minus ten mattress carriers! Bach and ten troughs drowned !!! am
    1. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 5 May 2018 18: 35
      +4
      Quote: Egorovich
      Bach and ten troughs drowned !!!

      Yes, it’s time to drown Bach for a long time !!! am
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 May 2018 19: 00
      +1
      One missile, the aircraft carrier just can not drown.
      1. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
        Vladimir Ter-Odiyants 5 May 2018 19: 11
        +5
        Quote: Vadim237
        One rocket

        It is possible, as a gain of warheads, to add Mikhan-MAZUTA.! yes
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 5 May 2018 21: 01
          +1
          "Mikhan-MAZUTA" - Is it such a gravitational, thermonuclear warhead?
      2. flicker
        flicker 5 May 2018 19: 30
        0
        One missile, the aircraft carrier just can not drown.
        You need to try someone. Interestingly, geldings will argue or believe? smile
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 5 May 2018 21: 07
      +1
      Quote: Egorovich
      Ten Daggers minus ten mattress carriers! Bach and ten troughs drowned !!! am

      And how many Poseidons are there besides Daggers?
      1. Egorovich
        Egorovich 5 May 2018 21: 27
        +2
        What do you mean by the word Poseidon? Ballistic missile, anti-submarine aircraft or submarine unmanned vehicle? Or decided to be smart, like the upper wretched?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 5 May 2018 21: 33
          +3
          Quote: Egorovich
          Ballistic missile, anti-submarine aircraft or submarine unmanned vehicle?

          Dear, a long time ago, the underwater vehicle was called Poseidon. Rude just do not. Or do you think that everything was limited to the transfer of daggers?
          1. Egorovich
            Egorovich 5 May 2018 21: 44
            +1
            Not respected, just do not spit saliva and answer your stupid question: "And how many Poseidons are ready, besides Daggers?"
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 5 May 2018 21: 50
              +4
              Quote: Egorovich
              Not respected, just do not spray with saliva

              You talk like that with your wife ...
              1. Egorovich
                Egorovich 5 May 2018 21: 56
                +1
                She is sleeping. Then you don’t need to ask stupid questions that you yourself cannot answer. No offense. request
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 5 May 2018 22: 00
                  +4
                  Quote: Egorovich
                  No offense.

                  Learn to communicate in human terms, not in animals. Then maybe you will receive answers. The conversation is closed.
                  1. Egorovich
                    Egorovich 5 May 2018 22: 04
                    +1
                    So I didn’t ask a stupid question, but you told me. Would you like to laugh? So I made you laugh.
                    1. LiSiCyn
                      LiSiCyn 5 May 2018 22: 47
                      +3
                      Nerves, to hell .... The people, what kind of crazies ??? Saturday, degree plays ??
                      Alexander, I advise you sometimes to look into the opponent’s “profile” ... Do not like the question, do not answer ...
                      I better throw off the karinka to you wink

                      Koenig ... Rehearsal of the parade.
  8. flicker
    flicker 5 May 2018 17: 41
    +2
    It is necessary to announce a new competition, who is the first to test the "Dagger" on himself.
  9. gig334
    gig334 5 May 2018 17: 46
    +3
    Still, it is a ballistic missile, not a hypersonic one. Hook Iskander to the plane. And there really are no analogues, I do not know countries that have ballistic missiles that can be launched from an airplane. Here we are probably the first. But I repeat, this is not a hypersonic missile. And ballistic missiles, leaving the atmosphere, all accelerate to hypersonic speeds.
    1. Oleg7700
      Oleg7700 5 May 2018 17: 57
      +5
      There is one that has long been let out.
      1. Do not care
        Do not care 5 May 2018 18: 20
        +2
        It is used as an Arrow missile defense test target.



        Five years ago, she made a lot of noise when the Russian early warning system defined the launch of this missile as an attack on Syria.
        1. Oleg7700
          Oleg7700 5 May 2018 19: 22
          +5
          Of course, thank God the target, but "not for the people" ... The following depends on the head part: - a head with a block of control and measuring equipment, or something else. Two-stage "Silver Sparrow" for 2000+ km. takes out ballistics from space. "Silver Sparrow Includes Modular Separate Warheads for Modeling Conventional and Non-Conventional Charges and Different Types of Incoming Trajectories"
    2. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 5 May 2018 23: 13
      +2
      Quote: gig334
      Still, it is a ballistic missile, not a hypersonic one. Hook Iskander to the plane. And there really are no analogues, I do not know countries that have ballistic missiles that can be launched from an airplane. Here we are probably the first. But I repeat, this is not a hypersonic missile. And ballistic missiles, leaving the atmosphere, all accelerate to hypersonic speeds.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ4a2ZE1jZ8 Получил достаточно профессиональное пояснение.
      And it became clear why the MIG-31 is so small. They are seriously modified for this rocket. We must also leave the interceptors.
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 May 2018 17: 47
    +1
    Ten on combat duty! In SEO! Well, it’s, if anything, the eastern Mediterranean under the gun! And there this "galosh" hangs, with the accompanying ...
    And how many Daggers do you need to sink an aircraft carrier?
    1. gig334
      gig334 5 May 2018 17: 54
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Ten on combat duty! In SEO! Well, it’s, if anything, the eastern Mediterranean under the gun! And there this "galosh" hangs, with the accompanying ...
      And how many Daggers do you need to sink an aircraft carrier?

      One missile is enough, this is not a cruise missile, but a ballistic one. And she is very powerful.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 5 May 2018 19: 32
        +2
        Quote: gig334
        One missile is enough, this is not a cruise missile, but a ballistic one. And she is very powerful

        Alas, even such an ADB as a “Dagger” in conventional equipment for AVMs is not enough. It can be put out of action for a while, but it’s not possible to sink. Even if a fire occurs after the explosion, they will put out, and the AVM will stay afloat. Well, this very tenacious bastard!
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 5 May 2018 21: 12
          +2
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Alas, even such an ADB as a “Dagger” in conventional equipment for AVMs is not enough.

          Sasha, in principle, I agree with you, but ... it still depends on where the Dagger falls. At the same time, while the crew and the pilots will put out the fire and patch up the holes, Poseidon will finish off the aircraft carrier. I believe it is paired with Poseidon that the Dagger is examined. Although it was calculated on the aircraft carrier, it was necessary to drown it from 6 to 20 RCC Granite. Translating into Daggers, I think about 5 pieces are definitely needed.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 5 May 2018 21: 52
            +2
            Quote: NEXUS
            it still depends on where the dagger falls.

            Andrew, hi
            For AVMs, direct contact with aviation fuel storage may be critical if the fire extinguishing inhibitor system does not work in the machine ...
            Or an arsenal of aviation ammunition ...
            But these are hundredths of a percent. Therefore, according to calculations, even Zircons need about 10-15 units to "radically solve the problem" ...
            Somehow, however. Yeah.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 5 May 2018 21: 58
              +1
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Andrew,

              Sasha hi
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              For AVMs, direct contact with aircraft fuel storage may be critical.

              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Or an arsenal of aviation ammunition ..

              I spoke about this ...
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              even Zircons need about 10-15 units for a "radical solution to the problem" ...

              Zircons? Sasha, we have no Zircons yet. As for the Dagger, I think that the "solution to the problem" will be a comprehensive Dagger + Poseidon. Although we still have the X-32. Also a surprise is not pleasant.
    2. maykl8
      maykl8 5 May 2018 18: 03
      +1
      One hit and from an aircraft carrier will take off nothing more.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 May 2018 19: 02
        0
        If one catapult and one elevator survive, it will take off.
        1. maykl8
          maykl8 5 May 2018 19: 34
          +2
          An example to help. But the warhead weighing 500 kg did not get into it.

          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 5 May 2018 21: 12
            0
            At least, they have not had such accidents since then and now have aircraft carriers, they have a fire extinguishing system for the entire flight deck - on this aircraft carrier, the ammunition of several fighter planes - bombers detonated more than 1000 kilograms in TNT.
            1. maykl8
              maykl8 5 May 2018 22: 54
              +1
              All is correct. But, the fire on the aircraft carrier began because of an unfortunate NURS with explosives in the warhead for a couple of kilograms. And the “Dagger” has a high-explosive warhead with at least 400 kg of plastite. I saw a funnel from the Tochka-U rocket with a similar warhead. A tank freely enters it, despite the fact that the warhead “Tochka-U” explodes 10-15 m above the ground. And judging by the demonstrated GDP, the Dagger attacks the target from above and explodes inside. On the U.S. aircraft carrier, half of the crew who immediately survives will be fools, the flight deck will be rotated and become unusable, planes in hangars will be struck in a confined space, fuel will spill out, and ammunition will detonate. Here is another example with the battleship "Novorossiysk" watch from 23:14:
          2. lis-ik
            lis-ik 5 May 2018 21: 38
            0
            Good but not enough!
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    1. Petio
      Petio 5 May 2018 18: 20
      +4
      A dagger is a BRDS without breaching a contract. And 2-3 can be launched on projects in Idlib for illustration and military tests, but if their Khmeimima must be well dispersed before launching over the Mediterranean Sea.
  12. Dikson
    Dikson 5 May 2018 18: 13
    +2
    10 planes to our HUGE country .. How many planes are at the enemy military bases around us? How much air defense, electronic warfare? The news, in fact, is identical to the stories about the deployment of the Iskanders in Kaliningrad .. - There the calculations will not even have time to begin deployment, as they are razed to the ground ..- everything is viewed and shot ..
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      1. Dikson
        Dikson 5 May 2018 18: 35
        +8
        I don’t read Jewish sites at all ... But I’m friends with arithmetic .. 10 against 600, for example - it won’t play at all .. even though you’re all on heroism and cheers-patriotism .. You can and should say that our weapons are the best in the world .. But the number almost always wins .. Stupidly crushes .. Even if you have a black belt - 10 gopniks will knead you ... And while our diplomats are pissing and dancing the lady, NATO has almost formed a fist that will fly in our faces .. )) And there’s nothing much to talk about - you just need to take special warheads in the Middle East to get the horseradish so that everyone puts them on pants ..- and then continue to politely communicate .. You look, and oil prices will skyrocket ..
        1. AID.S
          AID.S 5 May 2018 21: 31
          0
          But the amount almost always wins ..

          This is when ten “spherical horses” are wetted. Everything is a little different with nuclear weapons. And ten horses will drop.
    2. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 5 May 2018 23: 22
      +1
      Quote: Dikson
      10 planes to our HUGE country .. How many planes are at the enemy military bases around us? How much air defense, electronic warfare? The news, in fact, is identical to the stories about the deployment of the Iskanders in Kaliningrad .. - There the calculations will not even have time to begin deployment, as they are razed to the ground ..- everything is viewed and shot ..

      Give it a try. I am convinced, they will have time. While your fly (most likely, do not even take off). And no fanabery will help. Whatever wings you attach to your back, do not take off.
  13. K-50
    K-50 5 May 2018 18: 37
    +4
    Borisov noted that the MiG-31 aircraft is best suited to disperse the "Dagger" to the desired speeds at the right altitudes.

    Heh, it’s possible to attach some other missiles to it, for example, from the S-300/400 and get an ultra-long-range air defense system, if we direct it from the Premiere. Here is the chip will be theirs "Avaks" to ground from the sky, or flying tankers. laughing
  14. onix757
    onix757 5 May 2018 18: 40
    +3
    Small business, it remains to learn how to make a moment31
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 May 2018 19: 04
      0
      It remains to create a rocket with GVRD. With EYARDU already done.
  15. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 5 May 2018 19: 08
    +8
    "The complex is capable of hitting aircraft carriers, destroyers, enemy cruisers." ///

    Bluff. The complex is capable of hitting only stationary targets. Like ordinary Iskanders.
    From the fact that they were hung under the belly of the aircraft, the BR itself did not change.
    1. yaaazzz
      yaaazzz 5 May 2018 20: 03
      +10
      Another X-15 from the radar seeker of the USSR times hit the ships, and this is also an aeroballistic missile, which was suspended on a drum inside the Tu-160 fuselage.
    2. slipped
      slipped 5 May 2018 20: 10
      +7
      "9M723 - a rocket of the Iskander complex - single-stage, has an engine with one nozzle, non-ballistic and controlled along the entire flight path with the help of aerodynamic and gas-dynamic rudders."

      “Immediately after the launch and immediately upon approaching the target, the missile performs intensive maneuvering. Depending on the trajectory, overloads range from 20 to 30 units.”
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 6 May 2018 09: 45
        +1
        "Immediately after launch and immediately upon approaching the target, the rocket performs intensive maneuvering" ////

        This is anti-missile maneuvering. Random "wiggle" to
        fool a missile interceptor. And pointless, since Iskander
        knock down (more precisely, try to knock down) on the middle part of the trajectory, when
        no maneuvering.
        This maneuvering has nothing to do with the GOS and the search for targets.
    3. kventinasd
      kventinasd 5 May 2018 21: 34
      +4
      Did the Israeli Defense Ministry tell you this?
      They haven’t invented it yet, apparently until they have experienced it on themselves.
      The dagger flies by the analogy of Onyx and constantly maneuvers, only the dagger’s speed will be three times higher.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 6 May 2018 09: 47
        0
        "The dagger flies by the analogy of Onyx" ///

        Nothing in common.
        1. slipped
          slipped 6 May 2018 11: 32
          0
          With a slight movement of the hand, "controlled throughout the entire flight path " and "intensive maneuvering" turns into "random swaying" and "in the middle of the trajectory when there is no maneuvering")))). Wee made my day for today))))

    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 May 2018 21: 41
      +2
      “The complex is capable of hitting only stationary targets” - This missile probably has an active seeker plus GLONASS guidance.
    5. BastaKarapuzik And
      BastaKarapuzik And 5 May 2018 22: 03
      +1
      I think like an amateur.
      During the flight time measured in minutes, the ship will not go far, the homing head, turned on, probably when approaching the enemy, at an altitude of 50 kilometers, has every chance of detecting a target and adjusting the flight of the rocket taking into account the lead, up to the manifestation of some kind of plasma effects in more dense layers of the atmosphere that interfere with the operation of the GOS (if there really are any, but there is no reliable information about it. In fact, some assumptions and reasoning are similar to mine)
      1. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk 6 May 2018 01: 22
        +1
        Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
        I think like an amateur.
        During the flight time measured in minutes, the ship will not go far, the homing head, turned on, probably when approaching the enemy, at an altitude of 50 kilometers, has every chance of detecting a target and adjusting the flight of the rocket taking into account the lead, up to the manifestation of some kind of plasma effects in more dense layers of the atmosphere that interfere with the operation of the GOS (if there really are any, but there is no reliable information about it. In fact, some assumptions and reasoning are similar to mine)

        And here is flying time? Everything is much worse here. Ballistics are launched with a program that is scored in advance, which includes both the coordinates of the launch site and the coordinates of the target location. It is clear that this program is not written instantly, and not at the command post of the starting little heads. Promptly managing firing from any place to any place is not for everyone.
        1. BastaKarapuzik And
          BastaKarapuzik And 6 May 2018 16: 48
          0
          American “Axes” now receive the mission much faster than before (before loading the flight mission lasted almost an hour). Change of purpose, now, in new versions of the Tomahawks is possible even in the air, during the flight. The press, including the HE, discussed the possibility of pointing the tomahawk to a moving target. Axes are not ballistic missiles, I give as an example. Our latest modifications of missiles are certainly newer than those of ancient versions of American missiles.
          Thus, work in this direction is being conducted not only with us and has been ongoing for a long time. "Iskander" induced on a moving target is a logical continuation of these works. Something is changing.
          Above, the comrade quoted that the Iskander rocket, supposedly taken as the basis for the Dagger complex, is fundamentally controllable both at the start and at the finish, and even if the flight program was written not at the launch site (in this case, not in the MIG cockpit -a), she "only" needs to get the required accuracy into a given area where the GOS can do its job.
          Quote: Vkd dvk
          this program is not written instantly

          Obviously the issue is resolved.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 May 2018 10: 06
        0
        The problem with plasma formation, in dense layers of the atmosphere, was solved back in the 80s, in guided warheads with an active radar seeker radar for R 36.
        1. sabotage
          sabotage 6 May 2018 13: 09
          0
          Is this in which ones?
  16. passerby
    passerby 5 May 2018 20: 29
    0
    And where to look?
  17. passerby
    passerby 5 May 2018 20: 32
    0
    Quote: helmi8
    I, actually, about this ...
    how the optical and radar seeker of a missile flying at a speed of 10 max can work

    And the man just suggested where to look.

    Looking for? And what did you find?
  18. Vikalst
    Vikalst 5 May 2018 20: 34
    0
    In the list of modifications of the Iskander there is a “ship version” that starts on a ballistic trajectory and when approaching the target it decreases to 6 m (above the waves) ..... but the “Dagger” is precisely a “hypersonic” rocket and the issue of pointing to the specific ship here is not entirely clear ..... but because its goal is the breakthrough of air defense AUG ..... I wonder what kind of BG it is ..... maybe "Alabuga" ..... then you can finish with simple X-35s ....
  19. Voyager
    Voyager 5 May 2018 20: 48
    +8
    The good news, actually. This means that the complex really succeeded and is justifying itself. And that we have at least such opportunities for the first time. What about whether the declared performance characteristics are true, then the reaction of some readers from Israel is very interesting. In each news about new missiles, they write that these are fantasies, bluffs and the like do not exist, and they do it with enviable persistence. For me, this is a call to the fact that the complexes really exist in the form in which they were promised :)

    PS
    Interestingly, the Mig-31s modernized for this case are taken from where. Drill-bits or uncovered canned food.
  20. demo
    demo 5 May 2018 21: 03
    +7
    I read practically all the comments and decided to figure it out on my own - what kind of beast is such a “plasma" and what can it be eaten with?
    I came across an article - https://topwar.ru/110676-pobeda-nad-plazmoy-novyy
    -metod-dlya-svyazi-s-kosmicheskim-apparatom.html.

    She is dated March 12, 2017. Who has the patience and intelligence to read and understand - go ahead.
    Who does not have this or that I can say briefly.
    Solution found. Back in Soviet times.
    For non-believers I will answer.
    Take-off of our manned ships - also takes place in a cloud of plasma.
    But we both see and hear the astronauts throughout the entire take-off, until they occupy a stationary orbit, where the air discharge is minimal and the plasma is not formed.
    So the debate over “deafness, blindness and infirmity” can be closed.
    Everything flies and where it gets to.
    And most importantly - is managed.
    And the last.
    Plasma is not a fur coat wrapping from the top of the head to the heels.
    The place of the highest plasma concentration (density) is from the nose of the rocket (aircraft).
    What about the tail?
    And there is no plasma.
    Is the answer clear?
  21. AID.S
    AID.S 5 May 2018 21: 20
    0
    Quote: Equalized
    That is, it is a ballistic missile

    The ballistic trajectory does not provide for maneuvering and a range of 2000 km at a flight altitude of up to 40 km.
    1. Mimoprohodil
      Mimoprohodil 6 May 2018 10: 07
      +1
      Quote: AID.S
      range of 2000 km with a flight altitude of up to 40km.

      Why then do we need an X-32 with the same mass and dimensions if the dagger is two times faster and twice as long? Mig-31 for a 4-fold advantage is not enough. The dagger probably flies into space, but does not fly at a flight altitude of up to 40km
      1. AID.S
        AID.S 6 May 2018 11: 21
        0
        Quote: Mimoprohodil
        Why then do we need an X-32 with the same mass and dimensions if the dagger is two times faster and twice as long?

        Well, as they said in Soviet times, there are more goods, good and different. Perhaps when we have the same 31s as the 22nds and take the 31st, there will be two Daggers, then they will abandon the X32.
      2. AID.S
        AID.S 6 May 2018 11: 44
        0
        In addition, the X32 is a missile launcher, and the Dagger, I suppose, can be charged with West Minster, from near Vitebsk and Minsk.
        About the flight laughing into space: it will fly laughing the pilots.
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  23. Medalist
    Medalist 6 May 2018 00: 11
    +3
    10 MiG-31 with "Daggers" are on combat duty
    They should not stand, but threaten the specific goals of the probable adversary.
    Firstly, we need some real attacks with these weapons in the area of ​​the enemy fleet (shots overhead).
    And secondly, a determination is needed to use this weapon in a real battle against the “partner”, in the banks of which everything stolen during the 30 years of occupation of Our Long-suffering Motherland is stored.
    "Do not tell my slippers" - oligarchs never dare to fight with their masters, these are the same enemies of Holy Russia as their real commanders in the West.
    Naive people - what are you discussing here?
    The Motherland was occupied back in 1990 and there is only one way to free Her:
    "PRAY THE LORD OF GOD FOR DELIVERY FROM THE ENEMY"
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 6 May 2018 16: 10
      +2
      You are such a funny eccentric that I decided to answer you.
      They should not stand, but threaten the specific goals of the probable adversary.

      They stand on duty - in Russian it means - they threaten.
      Firstly, we need some real attacks with these weapons in the area of ​​the enemy fleet (shots overhead).

      To do this, there are tests at the landfills. Everyone whom it concerns everyone sees - be sure. But at the same time, partners do not receive secret information to repulse the attack, when and if it happens.
      And secondly, a determination is needed to use this weapon in a real battle against the “partner”, in the banks of which everything stolen during the 30 years of occupation of Our Long-suffering Motherland is stored.

      Tired of cranks who don’t understand why our money is in America. I explain 1 time - this is an insurance fund. As much as we put there, so much investment will come in our economy. Not a cent more. In China, what are fools for one and a half trillion money buried in American securities? No, so much money has been invested in the Chinese economy from the West.
      "Do not tell my slippers" - the oligarchs never dare to fight with their masters, these are the same enemies of Holy Russia as their real commanders
      The West

      Whose Crimea is it? laughing
      "PRAY THE LORD OF GOD FOR DELIVERY FROM THE ENEMY"

      By all means and regularly. At least one sensible thought! hi
  24. viktor.
    viktor. 6 May 2018 00: 51
    +1
    Quote: bystander
    then he apparently cannot hit moving targets,
    hi And if the nuclear warhead? then it’s not necessary precisely on purpose and far the same AUG will not go away,
  25. viktor.
    viktor. 6 May 2018 01: 02
    0
    Quote: maykl8
    I saw a funnel from the Tochka-U rocket with a similar warhead.

    hi Yeah, I saw a funnel after laying from several freight Urals, 152 landmines, and after that it all went wrong, more than one tank will enter. wassat
  26. Mentat
    Mentat 6 May 2018 06: 41
    +2
    Quote: bystander
    The question is that the GOS can hardly function when flying at hypersonic speeds in the atmosphere.

    Not even a specialist in this field will come to mind a couple of ideas how it can work.
  27. mlad
    mlad 6 May 2018 07: 41
    0
    If you follow the descent of the spacecraft, then when you enter the dense layers of the atmosphere, the descent vehicle is enveloped in plasma and there is no connection with it, and if there were a solution to this problem, then it would already be on the device. It means that there is no connection with the dagger and it is not possible to direct it, it means it flies along a ballistic trajectory that does not allow it to hit a moving target, but for a vigorous strike it can be enough
  28. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 6 May 2018 08: 58
    +1
    Quote: SSR
    Quote: figvam
    Quote: Equalized
    This is an air launch ballistic missile.

    Yes, we can say that this is so.

    Question. And how does his MiG-31 aim at a cruiser type target?
    I do not understand. request


    It's time to go to school! You can in QC.
  29. Lucy
    Lucy 6 May 2018 09: 01
    0
    Quote: Alex777
    ............... access form,

    Body access? good
  30. d1975
    d1975 6 May 2018 09: 01
    +1
    Quote: kig
    It is impossible to establish such a fact for 99.999999% of the population, since it (the population) cannot accurately assess the topic about which the GDP is broadcasting. But the silence of the facts on his part took place, for example, on the issue of the location of our military in the Crimea-2014. In general, bluffing for a politician is one of the methods of work.

    Always did not understand your publicity. Is it easier for you to sleep if everyone is chatting, without hitting and wherever?
  31. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 6 May 2018 09: 02
    0
    Quote: mlad
    If you follow the descent of the spacecraft, then when you enter the dense layers of the atmosphere, the descent vehicle is enveloped in plasma and there is no connection with it, and if there were a solution to this problem, then it would already be on the device. It means that there is no connection with the dagger and it is not possible to direct it, it means it flies along a ballistic trajectory that does not allow it to hit a moving target, but for a vigorous strike it can be enough


    Yes Yes! Now we are dealing with the Chinese copyright! Ha ha ha Chollobot chel?
  32. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 6 May 2018 09: 19
    +1
    It is interesting to read speculation about a rocket, which was seen only in the photo.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 May 2018 10: 14
      0
      But it is already known for certain that this TTRD missile has a detachable warhead with maneuvering engines and, according to claims that it is capable of hitting moving targets, an active GOS is on the missile.
  33. Lucy
    Lucy 6 May 2018 09: 50
    +1
    ...to overcome missile defense, are on pilot combat duty, said Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov on the TV channel Zvezda ......

    Could a doctor of science say that?

    And what kind of modern pearl? DB is experienced. Are experiments with the participation of combatant drill / s in the Southern Military District carried out, with the suspension of the product, and on the transition from BG No. 2 to BG No. 1, Air, ending with taxiing of the MiG-31 to the executive? And how many landings is the product designed for, and what next do on missile defense with a rocket? Or experiences winked with pigs carried out while carrying the database?
    The lack of information on test launches on mobile MCs, it turns out fortune telling on a camomile. What is the problem of throwing on TV, though, a misinformation about successful launches from the MiG-31 on a mobile MC in the Barents Sea, putting the GDP in the place of the w / operator.
  34. fa2998
    fa2998 6 May 2018 09: 57
    0
    Quote: figvam
    Quote: Equalized
    This is an air launch ballistic missile.

    Yes, we can say that this is so. If he can really hit a moving ship, then ours in the Mediterranean are protected.

    Of course, I am not an expert on these issues, but as far as it is known, plasma is formed around the aircraft, which makes a controlled flight impossible. A good thing against stationary reconnaissance targets. For example, a reystag! laughing hi
  35. sivuch
    sivuch 6 May 2018 11: 26
    +4
    casual passerby,
    First, are you sure that AB always goes at 30 nodes? He himself is vigorous and can go at all times at such a speed, but in his group there are ships and ships with the usual energy and they have a cruising speed of about 20-22 knots, if not less. Secondly, it is necessary to detect the start of the Dagger itself, thirdly, the AB is not a Porsche 911 in order to instantly gain speed and change direction, and finally, fourthly, there can be several Daggers.
    1. gippernano
      gippernano 6 May 2018 12: 54
      +1
      And fifth, for that he and the Dagger, in order to adjust the movement along the entire route.
      Something like that One of the developers said, in connection with the preparation of the parade on May 9.
  36. Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener 6 May 2018 12: 14
    0
    casual passerby,
    The aircraft carrier is not a jet ski and movement for the indicated time from the direction in which he moved to will be minimal.
  37. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 6 May 2018 12: 29
    +1
    To overcome the missile defense. 10 MiG-31 with “Daggers” are on alert

    Earlier it was announced that these MiG-31s ​​are based in the south of Russia (Krasnodar Territory). Hence the question: Whose missile defense are they going to overcome? Turkey? Georgia? To destroy the American ships that sailed into the Black Sea, the Bastion is enough. In this connection, the second question: can these MiGs with Daggers, if necessary. to overcome Turkish air defense and destroy American ships in the Mediterranean? The radius of action should be enough.
  38. gippernano
    gippernano 6 May 2018 12: 43
    +2
    Quote: helmi8
    how the optical and radar seeker of a missile flying at a speed of 10 max can work

    Which to the top. Not everyone has 2 classes of education, and three walks of 15 days each, for rallies for bulk. People can solve problems. For example, in a modern processor of the user class, 200 million transistors, in a square of 2 by 2 cm, and this is as it were understandable - how they stuck them there, but how it is jammed into caramels is already more difficult.
  39. sabotage
    sabotage 6 May 2018 13: 14
    0
    So big, but they believe in fairy tales. It seems that the Ministry of Defense will soon begin to talk about torsion fields and charged water.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 May 2018 14: 03
      0
      There are no tales - the rocket is real.
      1. sabotage
        sabotage 6 May 2018 18: 07
        0
        Charged water is real water, but its properties are somewhat exaggerated. So it is with a rocket. The missile is real, the plane is real, the shooting is real. The capabilities of this weapon are fabulous.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 6 May 2018 23: 23
          0
          What are these fabulous opportunities? Speed ​​10 Machs - we have a turbojet engine that accelerates missiles up to 15,5 Machs - 53T6 as an example, they made homing heads for warheads of the 80s, take the very same “Oku” from the Dagger’s rocket and have an active radar homing system, which allows it to capture moving targets - upon arrival at the designated area.
          1. sivuch
            sivuch 7 May 2018 08: 39
            +1
            Do not bother a person to tear off the covers
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 7 May 2018 19: 43
              0
              The integument turned out to be multi-layered.
  40. Mentat
    Mentat 6 May 2018 14: 02
    0
    Quote: mlad
    If you follow the descent of the spacecraft, then when you enter the dense layers of the atmosphere, the descent vehicle is enveloped in plasma and there is no connection with it, and if there were a solution to this problem, then it would already be on the device. It means that there is no connection with the dagger and it is not possible to direct it, it means it flies along a ballistic trajectory that does not allow to hit a moving target

    It only means that you have insufficient horizons. Back in the Soviet years, on that element base, our anti-ship missiles had the "intelligence" sufficient to independently search for and select targets in a given area, while emphasizing priority and work in the "pack": the distribution of goals in the group, redistribution when retiring missiles, evasion maneuvers . Without any connection. Then the search was carried out by signatures, now you can implement the search for at least a specific vessel.
    Data transmission through a plasma cloud was also decided back in those years.
  41. Alex777
    Alex777 6 May 2018 15: 57
    +1
    Quote: kig
    So, not only we break our heads - maybe or not - but also other interested characters. And what kind of filling is there and how it works, we will find out through .. I don’t know how much. The interest is understandable, I want to understand and do not want to take on faith. But in essence, disputes on this topic are useless, because we do not own all the information, and even Google will not help. The main thing is that it works.

    Read how the X-32 is induced. hi
  42. Old26
    Old26 6 May 2018 16: 54
    +1
    Quote: passerby
    The question is generally justified. If the “Dagger” is modified for use with an Iskander aircraft, then it apparently cannot hit moving targets, since information that the Iskander can do this has never surfaced. In addition, it is not clear how the homing head of a rocket flying in the atmosphere at hypersonic speed can work. On the other hand, there is evidence that China has a ballistic anti-ship missile, which apparently also flies at hypersonic speed and is somehow aimed at the ship with the help of a homing head. Most likely the rocket reaches hypersonic flight speeds only in the final section of the trajectory after the target is detected and the GOS is pointed at it. If this is actually so, then apparently this missile has the same drawback that Basalt and Granite had - it can be intercepted by air interceptors on the marching part of the flight when it has not reached hypersonic flight speed, just like F -14 could intercept the “Basalt” and “Granite” on the marching section of the flight path, until they decrease to attack the target, after it is detected by the GOS.


    There are a lot of questions. In particular, reaching a speed of 10M in dense layers of the atmosphere can lead to the combustion of a “product”. At these speeds, the rocket will go in the cocoon of plasma.
    The question of target designation is not clear. The MIG radar is not so powerful as to fix a target at a distance of a thousand or more kilometers.

    The Chinese, comrade, EMNIP plan to use a radar seeker. And recently, they no longer say that they will hit moving targets, but only enemy ships in ports and bases

    Quote: Alex777
    As Iskander’s developer said a couple of months ago: “... 6 different types of missiles are ready for Iskander, and maybe more ...”.
    The fact that you have not read about something does not mean anything. GDP said - we’ll sink the ships, which means there is such an opportunity.

    Let's believe everything we are told. Here is the first reaction to the number of cruise missiles shot down in Syria rolls over. Then, ten days later, the same head of the GOU at a press conference (which was extremely quiet) announced another figure - not 71, but only 46 missiles were shot down.
    What to believe? The first digit, or the second? And if the third digit appears?

    Of course, the number of missiles for Iskander is already 5 or 6. The total missile part and various warheads. As a result, for example, 9M723K1 and 9M723K5 missiles count as two different, although the difference is only in the number of combat elements in the head of these missiles.

    Quote: passerby
    I do not share your blind faith. What is publicly voiced may not have anything to do with reality, but may be intentional misinformation.


    You're right. It is one thing to do such a throw-in before the elections, the second thing is whether this is true. And then in relation to the “Vanguard” they say that it is almost produced in a series and adopted in service, and at that time there is no carrier for it yet. And the one that was planned will not be in service after a couple of months, it is good if in a couple of years, since it passed only two throw tests. But they believe ...

    Quote: bystander
    Maybe it does not fundamentally differ from the old RCC with the exception of hypersonic speed in the final section of the trajectory, in the marching section it does not fly at hypersonic speed. Maybe something else. Misinformation and misinformation so that no one could figure out anything.


    Or maybe it’s completely different, not what we are told. For example, maybe something similar to this is hidden under the fairing.

    And pay attention to the number of planes that was on the first images of the “Dagger” and the photograph at the beginning of the text. In one case, it is 4 planes

    In the last photo there are 8 of them

    Quote: Hire
    Quote: Observer2014
    The main thing in the sight is all that is possible at medium distances from Russia.

    In general, it seems to me that this is a way to overcome the limitations of the INF Treaty.

    And the simultaneous violation of the strategic arms treaty?
    1. sivuch
      sivuch 7 May 2018 08: 42
      +1
      not 71 but only 46 missiles were shot down
      46 - in the Damascus region +20 in Homs. So the error is not very large. The Strategic Arms Treaty stipulates only air-launched missiles based on strategic bombers, which the MiG-31 is not
  43. Old26
    Old26 6 May 2018 16: 55
    0
    Quote: Pollux
    Quote: figvam
    Everything is the same in the engine; the Mig-31 is the first step for a rocket

    This is not entirely true, a classic rocket carries an oxidizing agent and a reducing agent, an airplane carries only a reducing agent, it takes an oxidizing agent from the atmosphere, I don’t know how everything works with a dagger.

    "This is a new word in science and technology." At one time, there was one user on the EMNIP Military Parity website, which also did not accept the established names. He called self-propelled or autonomous launchers "tractors", and mine launchers - shelters (EMNIP)

    Quote: venik
    Well, given that the Iskander rockets have a speed close to hypersonic (2 m / s), it’s not difficult to guess !!!

    Well, actually this speed is not close to hypersonic, but the most hypersonic one. Velocity of 2100 m / s depending on the flight altitude - from about 6 to 7M, and HYPER starts at 5M

    Quote: Pollux
    Fuel is the plebeian name of the reducing agent; if you understand it that way, so be it.

    And what then will not be called the plebeian name of gunpowder, or starting fuel in the liquid propellant rocket engine ... crying

    Quote: NEXUS
    Why are only 10 MIGs equipped with Daggers? Daggers would be pulled to the Crimea ...

    Andrew. The article says in black and white that the complex is on pilot combat duty. In essence, wax tests are underway. The difference from combat duty lies in the fact that all possible jambs are detected in the design of the product itself and in combination with the carrier.
    Moreover, "before" these machines were based on Akhtubinsk. And something was not heard that this complex fired at maximum range and drown real targets. And this is "our sworn friends" did not miss. Won "729 product" did not have time to test once, as the west has already begun to scream ...

    Quote: lusya
    ...to overcome missile defense, are on pilot combat duty, said Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov on the TV channel Zvezda ......

    Could a doctor of science say that?

    Yuri Borisov? This storyteller can. He can do a lot.

    Quote: Mimoprohodil
    Why then do we need an X-32 with the same mass and dimensions if the dagger is two times faster and twice as long? Mig-31 for a 4-fold advantage is not enough. The dagger probably flies into space, but does not fly at a flight altitude of up to 40km

    There are no miracles. The apogee when shooting from 0-0 he has 40 km. The maximum that the MIG can reach with such a load is 15 kilometers, maybe a little more. In total, it will be the apogee of 60 kilometers, and this is far from space

    Quote: demo
    Take-off of our manned ships - also takes place in a cloud of plasma.
    But we both see and hear the astronauts throughout the entire take-off, until they occupy a stationary orbit, where the air discharge is minimal and the plasma is not formed.
    So the debate over “deafness, blindness and infirmity” can be closed.

    Since when takeoff takes place in a plasma cloud. The speed of a rocket increases with increasing altitude, which means with a decrease in atmospheric density. But when landing, any descent vehicle (at least a capsule, even a winged one) goes through a stage when it goes in a plasma cloud and at that time the connection with the spacecraft is lost

    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: Egorovich
    Ten Daggers minus ten mattress carriers! Bach and ten troughs drowned !!! am

    And how many Poseidons are there besides Daggers?

    If everything was so simple, then what for would need a fleet when 10 aircraft carriers could be sunk by 10 planes. A "Poseidon" ???
    Who can say what it is? This is a manifestation of the “Status” with a bunch of mistakes, which is spoken of as another “prodigy” with a 100 MT charge, then a cartoon with “Poseidon” (with the same characteristics) appears on which Klavisin ... And how many of these "Status Poseidon" ??? I am tormented by vague doubts that there are approximately ZERO
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 May 2018 17: 21
      0
      "I am tormented by vague doubts that there are about ZERO." Probably the same pieces 10 - more and not necessary.
    2. Mimoprohodil
      Mimoprohodil 7 May 2018 09: 22
      0
      There are no miracles. The apogee when shooting from 0-0 he has 40 km.
      A rocket fly at an altitude of 40 km energy. The ballistic trajectory is much more efficient. Maybe along an aeroballistic trajectory, a range of 1000 km, and along a ballistic trajectory, 2000 km
  44. groks
    groks 6 May 2018 18: 32
    +1
    Great. They took a good Iskander rocket, pinned to a good plane. Received utter crap. Cannot an interceptor with such a bandura under the belly be? Can not. So take off - shoot. Therefore, "combat duty" in this case is unclear even what it means. The range of the rocket is about 500 km, and not 2000 at all. Guidance is only possible inertial. But this crap is hypersonic! Tse - help! And if you drop a bomb with 31, then it automatically becomes supersonic.
    I remember the immortal - either fools or enemies. This is done.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 6 May 2018 18: 38
      +2
      Quote: groks
      either fools or enemies. Did it

      Have you ever thought about the fact that you might not know anything? Or do not understand?
      Scio me nihil scire, so to speak? wink
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        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 6 May 2018 18: 57
          +1
          Quote: groks
          Anything to argue with? I'm listening. No? In the ass.

          What you ... brutal laughing
          Okay:
          Quote: groks
          They took a good Iskander rocket

          Who told you that this is Iskander? Is it “like”? Well, Baikal "looks" like a cucumber, so what?
          Quote: groks
          The range of the rocket is about 500 km

          Caliber has also been declared range ... how much, remind? But it turned out - how much? Don't you see any analogies? In vain ...
          Quote: groks
          Therefore, "combat duty" in this case is unclear even what it means

          I’ll venture to suggest - the possibility of take-off within N minutes. Or even M, N will be too much ...
          What do you think?
          And - yes ... try not to be rude, it is fraught yes
          1. groks
            groks 6 May 2018 19: 19
            0
            Is the site administration your flood generator? So grab it. The vast majority of his messages do not carry useful information. By all the rules, he had to die long ago. I understand that there are a lot of such messages for all users, otherwise the topics will simply be empty. But everything should have some kind of boundaries.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 6 May 2018 19: 22
              +1
              Quote: groks
              But everything must have some boundaries

              Undoubtedly:
              Quote: groks
              But this crap is hypersonic! Tse - help! And if you drop a bomb with 31, then it automatically becomes supersonic.
              I remember the immortal - either fools or enemies. This is done.

              This is your message, of course, is complete
              Quote: groks
              useful information

              And, yes ... I have nothing to do with the administration ... be afraid yes
              1. groks
                groks 6 May 2018 21: 04
                0
                What do you have to do with it?
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 6 May 2018 21: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: groks
                  What do you have to do with it?

                  You wrote in response to my comment that I
                  Quote: groks
                  flood generator

                  I am somewhat surprised, I confess request
            2. Svarog51
              Svarog51 6 May 2018 21: 04
              0
              Oleg hi You're not right. Read and analyze carefully. The novel speaks on the topic of the article and operates on the available data. You deny it.
              1. groks
                groks 6 May 2018 21: 15
                0
                I would like to see the data. Even if the flooder is smart, it is still flooder.
    2. sivuch
      sivuch 7 May 2018 08: 45
      +1
      And they answered you absolutely correctly.
  45. Beltasir matyagu
    Beltasir matyagu 6 May 2018 20: 01
    0
    how beautiful the plane is.
  46. Pollux
    Pollux 6 May 2018 21: 24
    0
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Have you filled in fuel? Or again just a reducing agent?

    It depends on who gets behind the helm, if an ordinary pilot is using fuel, and if he is a professor of chemical sciences, then he is an oxidizing agent.
  47. kip_ing
    kip_ing 7 May 2018 09: 16
    +1
    Quote: groks
    Cannot an interceptor with such a bandura under the belly be? Can not. So take off - shoot. Therefore, "combat duty" in this case is unclear even what it means.

    How can it not sit down?

    sit on the photo "with such a bandura" and nothing ...
  48. Mentat
    Mentat 7 May 2018 17: 13
    0
    Quote: groks
    Guidance is possible only inertial.

    Do you have access to sensitive data and you announced it here? Obviously not.
    What features of thinking should a person have to make such statements sucked from the little finger of the left foot?
  49. Corporal Pupkin
    Corporal Pupkin 9 May 2018 18: 10
    0
    smart ass,
    wink Well, like a cada a woman gives you? tongue ("body access") wassat
  50. swan49
    swan49 10 May 2018 22: 47
    0
    And why did everyone decide that interceptors would be converted to Dagger carriers? Somehow everyone forgets that the MiG-25 was also built in the modification of an operational reconnaissance bomber - from the MiG-25RB, through all sorts of letters, to the MiG-25RBSh. Once at the Zhukovsky Academy, he studied the latest modifications of that aircraft.
    It is unlikely that his heir, the MiG-31, lost the shock function.
    It is clear that we did not pedal the MiG-25/31 theme as a reconnaissance-strike complex. Especially as a carrier of nuclear weapons. They focused on the defensive version of the aircraft - they say, interceptor and interceptor. And then the "Dagger" surfaced. And everyone was in shock. And the technical ideas of a high-altitude strike aircraft were laid more than forty years ago. This is the genius of the creators of the aircraft! Until 1975, G.E. was the chief designer of the aircraft. Lozino-Lozinsky.