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Ratified Kazakhstan has signed an agreement with the United States on transit to Afghanistan

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President Nursultan Nazarbayev of Kazakhstan has signed a law ratifying the protocol on amending the intergovernmental agreement with the United States on the provision of commercial railway transit of special cargo through Kazakhstan in connection with the participation of the United States in the stabilization and reconstruction efforts in Afghanistan, the Kazakhstan Pravda newspaper reported on Saturday.


Ratified Kazakhstan has signed an agreement with the United States on transit to Afghanistan


The protocol is signed in New York on September 21 2017. They are supplemented with check points for commercial railway transit of special cargo and accompanying personnel - these are the ports of Aktau and Kuryk.

As previously explained to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Kazakhstan, the US side requested a change in the current transit route for special cargo to Afghanistan. The main material supply route for the US contingent in Afghanistan passes through Pakistan, however, due to military-political instability and existing differences in bilateral relations, the American side is working on an alternative route: from Azerbaijan through the Caspian Sea to the ports of Aktau and Kuryk and further by rail through Uzbekistan.

In Astana, it was noted that the protocol will have a positive impact on the development of the transit transportation system and will continue to develop the logistics infrastructure of Kazakhstan.
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    1. Proxima
      Proxima 5 May 2018 11: 53
      +2
      Quote: Zampol
      Nazarbayev will now move his entire jazz to the USA .. When it all starts! Cunningly ..

      Enlighten please. I am not in the subject. Will his threat be threatened in the near future? What will start?
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        1. Morosha
          Morosha 5 May 2018 12: 16
          +11
          You can get an excellent shovel from me inexpensively! laughing
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            1. maxim947
              maxim947 5 May 2018 13: 02
              +18
              Now the wagons will drive the drug through the Kazakhs, and these transportations are usually carried out without the right to search.
              1. hrych
                hrych 5 May 2018 13: 24
                +25
                Quote: maxim947
                Now they will drive the drug into wagons through the Kazakhs, and most likely without the right to search, and we have a customs union with them ...

                But not a customs union in NATO. As you understand, a ship with cargo goes to the port of Georgia, unloads, goes by rail and road to Azerbaijan, then it loads by ferry, unloads in Kazakhstan and by rail to Uzbekistan and beyond. This nonsense was planned by Elbasy, as his vision of the New Silk Road. But in reality logistic madness laughing In the USA, it is possible for the EU, cargo is loaded onto a ship and to Pakistan - one sea unloading and to Afghanistan. This is already like despair when the Americans are under siege. Elbasy also thinks that the patience of the Kremlin is unlimited, but this has already turned out sideways to Georgia and Ukraine. The Balts thought that their ports were exceptional, the Ukrainians thought that the pipe was unique, but no, and had broken off. Well, some of the mistakes of others do not help to learn.
                1. maxim947
                  maxim947 5 May 2018 13: 33
                  +5
                  The opportunity to earn extra money, let’s say so - for free, prevails on common sense in terms of long-term development prospects. Plus, Nazarbayev’s campaign "swam" from what he thinks is special attention to himself.
                  1. den3080
                    den3080 6 May 2018 06: 56
                    +1
                    Elbas sits in an interesting position.
                    One half of the ass in a Chinese chair, the second in Russian, and the Americans hanging elbas genitals hanging with such a fit skillfully squeezed the vice and, if something goes wrong, tighten the handle in full.

                    disgraced Nursultan Abishevich in old age. And there was a respected person in the post-Soviet space.

                    Americans don't care about poor logistics compared to Pakistan. They draw money in unlimited quantities.
                    The main goal of the United States is to put a sting on the Caspian. For the sake of this, even through Mars their diapers and dry packs will be taken.
                    1. Grits
                      Grits 6 May 2018 13: 56
                      0
                      Another professional gardeners let a goat into the garden. Amer most importantly to gain a foothold in the Caspian Sea. To do this, u need control over the ports. I feel that soon our Buyans there will no longer be safe. With their pathological arrogance, the Americans will soon organize their Caspian fleet there
            2. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 5 May 2018 13: 17
              +4
              Vitaly, like you, didn’t finish, the flag is amer’s in the beginning ... You were about to be kicked by the crowd lol
              Well, at least the password said ..
              Quote: Zampol
              ..he heh Thanks!

              Next time, be careful wink
          2. Galleon
            Galleon 5 May 2018 14: 03
            +3
            and I’ll fill up the shovel even for free. Let it begin.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 5 May 2018 17: 33
              +6
              I have never seen a politician with a shovel! Usually like this: Lightning combat leaflet, fiery speech, all in a single rush rush to the shovels, and the KCHR modestly moves aside to smoke laughing drinks
              And so a good political commander of 2 platoons replaces drinks
              1. venik
                venik 5 May 2018 17: 46
                +2
                Quote: Doliva63
                I have never seen a politician with a shovel!

                =======
                “The best service is for the Zampolitan: The order“ Remove the workplace ”means for him:“ hbrush your mouth"!!!!! (From the army humor of the 80s)
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 5 May 2018 18: 58
                  +10
                  Quote: venik
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  I have never seen a politician with a shovel!

                  =======
                  “The best service is for the Zampolitan: The order“ Remove the workplace ”means for him:“ hbrush your mouth"!!!!! (From the army humor of the 80s)

                  Very "sour" humor. As a ZKCHR DDR, I was a freelance instructor in swimming with weapons and in hand-to-hand combat. No one had come across such a chick. Did you serve in the army?
                  The commander, who was the political commander, is a cut above those who began as a platoon - an axiom. I know equipment and weapons as a commander, but I know people better. And people decide everything.
        2. 73bor
          73bor 5 May 2018 13: 03
          +7
          I’m only interested in one thing, -that Nazarbayev signed the agreement, but as far as can be judged by the map all Zh.D. the paths to Kazakhstan go through Russia, and our agreement is unlikely to be signed! The USA blocked Nazarbayev 22 Lard, so he doesn’t know what place to lick!
          1. hrych
            hrych 5 May 2018 13: 27
            +7
            Quote: 73bor
            Nazarbayev 22 US Lard blocked

            This is called - failed statehood. When you can put pressure on military and economic means. Sooner or later, such a state will be dismembered and absorbed by its harsh neighbors.
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 5 May 2018 15: 20
              +8
              Quote: hrych
              Sooner or later, such a state will be dismembered and absorbed by its harsh neighbors.

              "I know that this is karma, and you can’t argue against it ..." (c) yes It is unlikely that anyone will be against returning to the cards, for example, Aktyubinsk and Tselinograd. And those who will ... but who will ask them? .. laughing
          2. gippernano
            gippernano 6 May 2018 09: 26
            0
            all railway ways to Kazakhstan go through Russia

            You didn’t look at the map correctly. The city of Aktau is not in Russia, although in the Caspian. And they’ll be taken not through Murmansk, but through Tashkent, which is also not in Russia.
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 6 May 2018 11: 52
              +2
              Hrych above comments led logistics. This is called the Count - Shed a Tear. Minimum 4 transshipments, Karl! Four.
      2. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 5 May 2018 12: 11
        +6
        Quote: Zampol
        Nazarbayev will now move his entire jazz to the USA ..

        Will start what ??? Do you have any exact info?
        Now, they will begin to escalate ...
        Without the consent of GDP, such things do not wink
        1. mgero
          mgero 5 May 2018 12: 20
          +5
          U Amerov est jelezni kompramat na Nazarbaeva na shyot 22 Milliardov zamarojenix deneg. Mojet tcifra moya ne tochno No Ameri zamarozili dengi U Zyatya Nazarbaeva. Tak chto kto derjit dengi Tam oni pod kolpokom.
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          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 5 May 2018 12: 36
            +9
            Here you go ... belay
            Vitaly, is that you? !!!! Another reincarnation ?? Again, out on the warpath ???
            For what, at least this time? Again for the Jews, failed wink
            Quote: Zampol
            These are the things in the tank troops .. Everything for defense, everything for Victory!

            Come on there, wash the gusli and grease the tower ... All hope, only for you, you rush to block the train ... wink
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 5 May 2018 12: 48
              +5
              There to block the train, just spit! yes Only this will not help, the border is on the map, conditional! belay
              A comical incident, I was hunting in the Kurgan region, I crossed it on a quadric six times, back there, with weapons and a not sober "passenger", though not armed (as part of a group of people), I took it from Him. We looked at the track - wept! crying Given that the statute of limitations for illegal border crossing has expired, I can safely write about it! laughing
              We need a border, normal, and not a line on a cakte. hi
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              2. Doliva63
                Doliva63 5 May 2018 17: 37
                +5
                Quote: Hunter 2
                There to block the train, just spit! yes Only this will not help, the border is on the map, conditional! belay
                A comical incident, I was hunting in the Kurgan region, I crossed it on a quadric six times, back there, with weapons and a not sober "passenger", though not armed (as part of a group of people), I took it from Him. We looked at the track - wept! crying Given that the statute of limitations for illegal border crossing has expired, I can safely write about it! laughing
                We need a border, normal, and not a line on a cakte. hi

                Well, what is the border? When I worked in Petukhovo, I had a driver from Kazakhstan, I went there / back every day, I also drove alcohol from there laughing
            2. lwxx
              lwxx 5 May 2018 12: 56
              +2
              hehe zampol . And the pens remember laughing
        3. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 5 May 2018 15: 24
          +2
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          Without the consent of GDP, such things do not

          Well, they don’t do it ... It happens that they try .... yes Then, however, they themselves ask for help. laughing
    2. Maz
      Maz 5 May 2018 13: 35
      +4
      Betrayal, Treason and what else to call? Vileness? Dollar pumping, easy money, myopia ?.
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 5 May 2018 14: 05
        +5
        Maz, well, you seem to be an adequate comrade ... The agreement with NATO was signed a long time ago, back in the early XNUMXs ... It’s just that the Americans, after the closure of Ulyanovsk, are looking for other options ...
        I, it’s interesting, to guard during transportation by train, who will be ?? Although, to drive the car at the station, through the scanner, do not fig ... laughing laughing
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 5 May 2018 14: 47
          +7
          Hi Stas! Ohr for all Mother Russia, this is now for this base, now for transit! And here ... silence and smoothness. Mikhan, the best friend of the Kazakhs, got out in a new guise. laughing .What would we do without criticism? laughing
          This transit is not worth a single egg. They are there, as in a mousetrap with 14 thousand contingent. What are they doing there? The generals are mastering the budget - nothing more. Well, someone else dope crazy raises grandmothers on drugs ... I think that a little more and ... the SCO will take the situation into its own hands. This abscess got everyone at the borders - NATO, it’s already clear, they’re not dancing there. Maybe they want to strain Iran? hi
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 5 May 2018 15: 13
            +4
            Dauren, hello !!!
            No, well, Meehan, what is it? Again, on the warpath ??? I wonder what banned? I am inclined for the Jews. laughing
            Why, people will not turn on their heads ... I already wrote in the tape, maybe this is a "smoke screen" ?? All these stuffing ... What would mattresses did not suspect anything .. wink
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 5 May 2018 15: 49
              +4
              Stas, frankly, I've been watching these stuffing for a long time. Today in Russia 24 GDPs were shown to Soloviev. And it is directly stated that Russia also "took up" the allies. Trump also pointed to this. Imagine, he spoke for those who buy Russian weapons. And with us it is all Soviet-Russian. And what should we do ... yes they went to the forest. With us, commodity circulation is generally miserable. “We are not going to run with our pants up in search of democracy!”, As NAS said.
              Latin, arrest of 22 billion, “Rockefellers are buying up all KZ”, “China is buying up KZ lands”, “China is squeezing Russia out of its southern underbelly”, “Russians are being squeezed out by oralmans”, “NATO bases in the Caspian Sea”, now transit - which more "liberal" journalists will come up with only God knows! ???
              The rollback is obvious. Well, such as Vitaly swallow it. Stas, our elder Western politicians too tough, because they solve those short-term tasks, and he has been in the chair for thirty years. And you can’t buy it - anyone you want will buy it. They will try to “screw up” the next president - but I don’t think that the NAS will put someone who will destroy what he did ...
              Previously, the NAS somehow responded to these stuffing, but now ... it got it. I think that the "liberals" are doing it. To show that Russia alone remained with GDP. But I see something else. Asia turns away from the west. The Muslim part of Africa no longer carries them to the spirit. Latin America and the Arabian monarchs became frequent guests in Moscow. hi
              In Afghanistan, unfortunately, nothing will be decided without the intervention of the SCO countries. NATO is not capable or unwilling. I think that after Syria special attention will be directed here. We, Iran, China, Pakistan and India do not need this abscess. And you can remove it faster than many people think. Afghan may be the moment when the SCO will begin to reckon with. And everyone will understand who steers here. hi
              1. Weyland
                Weyland 5 May 2018 18: 28
                +1
                Quote: Kasym
                And you can’t buy it - anyone you want will buy it.

                rather, who do you want to sell ...
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 5 May 2018 19: 18
                  +3
                  All that is possible is already for sale. laughing . And the Russians are the first in line, they are buying everything at the root. yes Even the assets of national companies are exhibited, but the West does not want to. Even citizens of the country have to give an opportunity. hi
                  1. LiSiCyn
                    LiSiCyn 5 May 2018 22: 11
                    +3
                    Dauren, at work I ... Was laughing
                    Now, I'm trying to get out of the center ... We are training wink


                    And at heart, immediately easier soldier
      2. gippernano
        gippernano 6 May 2018 09: 33
        +3
        Betrayal, Treason and what else to call?

        Well, when the United States drove its cargo to Afghanistan through Russia, it was a golem blessing. Only 2 weeks ago, the Ruslans, in response to sanctions, stopped carrying goods in the same direction. So don’t drive, otherwise your patriotism smacks of vile
  2. Livonetc
    Livonetc 5 May 2018 11: 51
    0
    He laughs and laughs.
    Something Nazarbayev wants ...
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      1. Kasym
        Kasym 5 May 2018 14: 26
        +3
        Money has thawed for a long time - do not worry so. laughing hi
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 5 May 2018 14: 59
          +4
          I didn’t even want to answer him lol
          Chel, not at all in the subject wink
  3. taiga2018
    taiga2018 5 May 2018 11: 54
    +3
    and you won’t find fault, all this seems to be against terrorism, just recently we ourselves provided the opportunity for the United States to deliver goods to Afghanistan through its territory ...
    1. gippernano
      gippernano 6 May 2018 09: 40
      0
      And nothing. Except certainly not a little money for transit. I don’t understand what to do with temperature, The sixth US fleet will not enter the Caspian, Putin will not allow it. Come on.
  4. helmi8
    helmi8 5 May 2018 11: 56
    +7
    They are supplemented with checkpoints for commercial rail transit special cargo and accompanying personnel - these are the ports of Aktau and Kuryk.

    Is it heroin? wassat laughing And what other commercial cargo could there be from there?
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 5 May 2018 12: 08
      +5
      hi
      Quote: helmi8
      Is it heroin?

      No, "approved medical herbal remedies." lol
      1. Romulus
        Romulus 5 May 2018 12: 17
        0
        I didn’t smoke a cheat ... such "MARSHALS" * we don’t need ....
        Goodbye Pasha))) not so much for the site, we will climb after the weekend))) (joke)
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 5 May 2018 12: 23
        +4
        Hello Pasha! Pash, in my opinion, is the fifth article on this topic in the last three days. How much can you exaggerate then?
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 5 May 2018 12: 27
          +6
          Slavik, and you can’t get sick! hi
          Quote: sabakina
          How much can you exaggerate then?

          Apparently, until everyone is inspired by the thought that the Kazakhs are no longer friends. wink
          1. iouris
            iouris 5 May 2018 12: 31
            +1
            Here they do not penetrate with thought - they think it. But one thought: "There are only enemies all around. And what about us?"
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 5 May 2018 12: 49
              +3
              Think brains. Penetrated by thought. But thought is material. So be afraid of your thoughts! wink
          2. sabakina
            sabakina 5 May 2018 12: 33
            +4
            Is there really so many of these on our site? belay
            1. cniza
              cniza 5 May 2018 12: 47
              +3
              Good day to all! hi as they say, time will show and put everything in its place, nothing is just being done.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 5 May 2018 12: 56
                +1
                Vitya hi
                Quote: cniza
                as they say, time will show and put everything in its place, nothing is just being done.

                That's right, do not rush to conclusions.
            2. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 5 May 2018 12: 55
              +3
              Quote: sabakina
              Is there really so many of these on our site?

              Who counted? wink
        2. gippernano
          gippernano 6 May 2018 09: 50
          0
          Hello Pasha! Pash, in my opinion, is the fifth article on this topic in the last three days. How much can you exaggerate then?

          I may not understand the couple, but occupying your stream of consciousness on the floor of the forum, is this normal?
          Find a place where you will not need to scroll half an hour
  5. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 5 May 2018 11: 59
    +1
    "allies" what else to say
    1. mgero
      mgero 5 May 2018 12: 26
      0
      Nu esli Lider soyuznogo gosudarstvo jadniy i dengi (22 Milliardov) derjit Tam na zapode Nu a che Ameri srazu ispolzuyut Po polnoy eti dengi, i eto xoroshi kompromat,
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 May 2018 15: 55
        0
        Quote: mgero
        Nu esli Lider ...
        ek sausage you! belay
    2. Humpty
      Humpty 5 May 2018 12: 56
      0
      Since 2014, they have been really afraid of education like China. From that and went to ride in the open.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 May 2018 12: 00
    +3
    It is worth straining the situation in northern Kazakhstan. Little... wassat purely "friendly"!
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 5 May 2018 12: 36
      +2
      Northern Kazakhstan is a very difficult region to live in, but as a buffer zone ....
    2. romb
      romb 5 May 2018 12: 46
      +2
      Have you ever been there? The Kazakhs are bending the moment to those who decide to “strain” something there. And in response,. the moment will strain in the Kemerovo, Astrakhan and Omsk regions and in individual republics of the Russian Federation. Easy and brotherly wink
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 5 May 2018 12: 55
        +6
        Hmm, it feels like you crossed out the history of Russia at least since the Baptism of Russia ... And there was neither Alexander Nevsky, nor Pozharsky with Minin ... And the Russians are so cowardly ...
        1. romb
          romb 5 May 2018 13: 00
          +1
          As for cowardice, you are clearly bending over. But, the vast majority of your military successes have been in relation to weakened and disorganized, small and technically more backward opponents. And almost everything in military alliances.
          1. already a Muscovite
            already a Muscovite 5 May 2018 13: 41
            +2
            Quote: romb
            the vast majority of your military successes have been in relation to weakened and disorganized, small and technically more backward opponents. And almost everything in military alliances

            What kind of alternativeism is this so foreign? What are these smaller and more backward opponents ?? And about military alliances is also interesting ...
            1. romb
              romb 5 May 2018 14: 05
              +1
              And you will get acquainted with most of the military conflicts in which Russia participated. Livonian wars. Russian-Swedish Wars (Northern War). Russian-Turkish war. Coalition Wars (European, against Napoleon). What they like to put in Russia's exclusive merit, in reality there is only its participation as one of the members of the coalition of warring parties.
              1. already a Muscovite
                already a Muscovite 5 May 2018 14: 14
                +4
                Yes, without these “coalitions” there would be no need to fight. Who did we have “coalitions” with? With the Kasimov kingdom and the Levon kingdom? Or with the Montenegrin sovereign? About the war of 1812 it’s generally funny ... Where were these allies ?? on the other side of Europe .... allies ...
                1. romb
                  romb 5 May 2018 14: 27
                  +1
                  The great European powers are shocked by your conclusions. laughing
                  Before declaring this, get acquainted with the members of the European coalitions, which included Russia.
                  1. already a Muscovite
                    already a Muscovite 5 May 2018 14: 40
                    +4
                    These are not my conclusions. These are the facts. Members of European coalitions ... heh ...

                    Well, now, too, as you push your elbows there, climb into these "coalitions." I directly see the prosperity of the Great Kazakh Power! Finally drive out all unnecessary and enslave the galaxy.
                    1. romb
                      romb 5 May 2018 14: 43
                      +1
                      Well, this heresy is peculiar only to the Russian Natsik. Kazakhs do not suffer from this nonsense wink
                      And by the way, I never saw a single fact.
                      1. already a Muscovite
                        already a Muscovite 5 May 2018 18: 01
                        +3
                        Quote: romb
                        Well, this heresy is peculiar only to the Russian Natsik.

                        Well, apparently not only ... You, too, don’t believe in Kazakh spaceships that they will ever plow the expanses of the universe.
                        Quote: romb
                        I have not seen a single fact.

                        Just too lazy for you to either prove. It’s better to just attend school regularly, be more active in the classroom, more attentively, often raise your hand, and do your homework responsibly.

                        And yet yes ... The next time a dog bites you, know that it was a “coalition” of dogs, fleas, ticks and worms. Therefore it is not a shame. There are so many. Now, if a part of this "coalition" were on your side, then you would undoubtedly have won.
                      2. Mikhail Zubkov
                        Mikhail Zubkov 5 May 2018 20: 22
                        +4
                        In Kazakhstan, only recently there have been fewer Russians than Kazakhs — the result of local Russian genocide from Kazakh rulers. If the United States does not pay Russia for transit through the Transcaucasus and the Caspian, then their cargo will begin to sink into the sea and burn on land. We do not care about any territorial divisions - the Caspian Sea was, is and will be! We will not tolerate mattress workers there!
                  2. Siberian 1975
                    Siberian 1975 6 May 2018 10: 56
                    +3
                    Then, my dear, you need to voice the composition of the coalitions against whom Russia fought and who made the main contribution to the victory of those coalitions in which Russia was a member. I’m especially interested in the Second World War. By the way, they mentioned the 1812 war of the year, do not tell me the role of Russia in this war? Or are you from the category of those who, like it or not, are Russian wimps, etc.? Do you want to be honest? I believe that the Russian Empire needed to take an example from the British Empire. They destroyed many peoples (Indians of America, for example, the natives of Australia), and that they did not destroy, they drove to the reservation and did not soar, and no one wasted their brains. And in the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia, and then the USSR, no one died out. Moreover, all peoples also preserved their customs, language and faith. And what is the answer? And the British everywhere are kissed in the ass, and we are invaders and occupiers.
                    1. romb
                      romb 6 May 2018 14: 01
                      +1
                      Then, my dear, you need to voice the composition of the coalitions against whom Russia fought and who made the main contribution to the victory of those coalitions in which Russia was a member.

                      All this is on the net. If you think that I'm telling a lie, then please provide your data and sources.
                      I am especially interested in the Second World War.

                      Let me tell you a secret - Russia did not fight in World War II. He fought the USSR (and this was almost a completely different state) in the Great Patriotic War. And do not replace these two completely different values: both the state and the military conflicts were different. The First World War was imperialistic. Which, I must say, Russia just did not make it, it simply fell apart. And the second was the Great Patriotic War. In which many millions of citizens from among several hundred nationalities of the USSR fought.
                      By the way, you were mentioned the war of 1812, do not tell me the role of Russia in this war?

                      What do you think that the Napoleonic war began with his invasion of the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia. Not. It only continued there. On European theater of war, hostilities began long before the creation of Napoleon's empire. Yes, and they walked a very long and bloody. Look, for example, when the Spanish and Portuguese companies with the participation of the British were walking.
                      And in the defeat of the French in the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia, it was largely only a consequence of a violation of the material and technical supply of the troops. Well, they did not expect that they would very easily conquer almost the entire European part of the Republic of Ingushetia. But it was simply huge by European standards. And, therefore, mistakes will stretch their supply system. All this multiplied by the practical lack of roads - and created sad consequences for the army of many thousands of Napoleon. Note that almost no one says that he lost the Russian army, but clearly recognize that the loss was due to logistical errors and natural circumstances.
                      I believe that the Russian Empire needed to take an example from the British Empire ...

                      Maybe. Only there is one thing - but. These peoples and states in the historical past were not the progenitors of Britain. And for many centuries it was not part of their states and empire. That is, she was not obliged to them by her mere existence. Therefore, everything is not so simple, you would also like the Horde to solve all of you in the bud in due time. Although, perhaps she would have done so. But you were quiet and meek.
                      And in the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia, and then the USSR, no one died out. Moreover, all nations also preserved their customs, language and faith. And what is the answer? And the British everywhere are kissed in the ass, and we are invaders and occupiers.

                      A lot of controversial. But with the main, I partially agree. The trouble seems to be that very often Russia behaves: "like an elephant in a china shop." One must be able to adequately position oneself, and political delicacy will also not hurt. And sometimes it is not enough.
                      1. already a Muscovite
                        already a Muscovite 6 May 2018 14: 45
                        +3
                        Quote: romb
                        What do you think that the Napoleonic war began with his invasion of the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia. Not.

                        Yes!! The Patriotic War of 1812 - the war between the Russian Empire and the French Empire on the territory of Russia in 1812. Before the Attack on the Republic of Ingushetia, the Russian Empire did not conduct any military operations against France and their allies .. There was a 5-year war with Turkey, which was over in 1812 Kutuzov.
                        At the first stage of the war (from June to September 1812), the Russian army retreated from the borders of Russia to Moscow, giving the Battle of Borodino to Moscow.
                        At the second stage of the war (from October to December 1812), the Napoleonic army first maneuvered, seeking to leave for winter apartments in war-undisturbed areas, and then retreated to the borders of Russia, pursued by the Russian army, famine and frost.
                        The war ended with the almost complete destruction of the Napoleonic army, the liberation of Russian territory and the transfer of hostilities to the lands of the Duchy of Warsaw and Germany in 1813.
                        Well, where are the allies ??
                        Quote: romb
                        You would also like, in due time, the Horde all to decide you on the vine.

                        The horde did so. Destroyed the city in the bud. With the whole population. With old people and children. Therefore, the nomads and destroyed as soon as they lost unity. After the defeat of Timur Tokhtamysh, the Horde is a parody of former greatness. The Horde did not leave anything behind. No people, no culture, no cities.
          2. Weyland
            Weyland 5 May 2018 18: 33
            0
            Quote: romb
            And almost everything in military alliances.

            And the opponents were, like, in splendid isolation? This is when and who?
        2. romb
          romb 5 May 2018 13: 03
          +1
          In the years indicated by you, practically fate was decided not so much by Russians, but by other peoples. Alexander Nevsky - Batu Khan. Polish intervention - nomads: Genghisides, Tatars and baptized Cossacks.
      2. Weyland
        Weyland 5 May 2018 18: 32
        0
        Quote: romb
        The Kazakhs are bending the moment to those who decide to “strain” something there.

        This they at one time succeeded because of the vile treacherous oltiki EBNushki am But if you want, there you can pretty stir up ...
        Quote: romb
        And in response,. the moment will strain in the Kemerovo, Astrakhan and Omsk regions and in individual republics of the Russian Federation.

        I am begging you! laughing Do you think Nurik is the only light in the window for Russian Kazakhs?
        1. romb
          romb 5 May 2018 19: 58
          +1
          they did it at one time because of the vile traitorous oltika EBNushki am But if you wish, there you can pretty muddy ...

          Well, as it were, Nurik was the one who supported, or rather contributed to the creation of the CIS. If it weren’t for him, you would run in chorus to lay down under the West. And they went down. Davalki. That's just nothing good came of it.
          I beg of you! laughing Do you think that Nurik is the only light in the window for Russian Kazakhs?

          NAS has nothing to do with it. Kazakhs have a slightly different attitude to their native land. And at the same time, no matter where you live and where you are. For example, recently the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine wanted to stir up the cooperation of agricultural lands with the Chinese, then the Kazakhs in large numbers, including foreign ones, directly made it clear to him that then he would not sit at his post. In short, he understood the message.
          These lands are fairly saturated with the blood of their ancestors. And the Russians came to the ready - to deserted and bloodless territories. In addition, quite a few of the Russian Kazakhs are in full interest in why and when the lands of the Kazakhs were in the Russian Federation. So, you can stir up. And it will not be so difficult to do. And the rest, I think, will also support.
          1. already a Muscovite
            already a Muscovite 5 May 2018 21: 15
            +1
            Quote: romb
            And the Russians came to the ready - to deserted and bloodless territories.

            Is this being taught in schools now ?? And then we foolish cities there - forts - camps were arranged to fight off dirty ludolov, robbers. And there were already
            Quote: romb
            deserted and bloodless territories

            But what a misfortune ...
            1. romb
              romb 5 May 2018 21: 58
              +1
              And then we foolish cities there - forts - camps were arranged to fight off dirty ludolov, robbers.

              Well, forts were located on the lands of other nations. Consequently, they acted as an object of consolidation of expansion. And "stan" is "ustan" in translation - it means strengthening.
              But what a misfortune ...

              Even some. Someone can sit in bondage for several hundred years with a clear conscience: quietly paying tribute and multiplying. But there are some who spend many years in continuous wars, so that later, exhausted, they become absorbed in less belligerent, but much more numerous neighbors.
              1. already a Muscovite
                already a Muscovite 5 May 2018 23: 00
                0
                Quote: romb
                And there are some who spend many years in continuous wars, so that later, exhausted,

                And who is it?? Who?? Do not Tomi tell us to those who
                Quote: romb
                with a calm conscience to sit for several hundred years in bondage: quietly paying tribute and multiplying

                Are you a descendant of those great and mighty wars that spend many years in continuous wars ??
                With whom did they fight that were so deserted and bleeding? AND ??
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 5 May 2018 22: 18
            +3
            Quote: romb
            when Kazakhs in large numbers, including foreign ones, directly made him understand that then he would not sit at his post

            do not tell anyone, firstly, NASU with a parting on the opinion of the people, and secondly, when the Kazakhs did not lay bones for their land, these are nomads, they had to get up and migrate
            1. romb
              romb 6 May 2018 14: 30
              +1
              Eh, Vladimir, sometimes you look at your fabrications, and you think, or maybe this is it, the person has changed. And then, bam, and you see that you hastened with your conclusions. If you don’t own a topic, but you don’t own it absolutely, better keep quiet, you will seem higher in intelligence. Do not be a gag in every Kazakhstan barrel. Honestly - it's funny to look at it.
              Below is a tiny fraction of information:
              http://today.kz/news/kazahstan/2018-02-21/760584-
              mazhilis-prinyal-popravki-o-zaprete-predostavleni
              ya-prigranichnyih-zemel-inostrantsam /
              https://www.kursiv.kz/news/vlast1/parlament-okonc
              atelno-zapretil-arendu-selhozzemel-inostrancam /
              https://yvision.kz/post/786537
              https://tengrinews.kz/opinion/594/
              https://vlast.kz/novosti/27693-parlament-zakrepil
              -zapret-na-arendu-kazahstanskih-zemel-inostrancam
              i.html
              https://rus.azattyq.org/a/semey-aktobe-mitingi-ze
              melniy-vopros / 27701331.html
              https://www.bbc.com/russian/international/2016/04
              / 160429_kazakhstan_land_rent_protests
              https://rus.azattyq.org/a/zemelnye-mitingi-v-den-
              edinstva / 27709875.html
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 6 May 2018 18: 01
                0
                Quote: romb
                Below is a tiny fraction of information:

                about what?!!!
                about what nazik type he himself invented canceled ?!
          3. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 5 May 2018 22: 20
            0
            Quote: romb
            In addition, quite a few Russian Kazakhs are interested in everything

            How much is this?
            one, two, many ?!
          4. Weyland
            Weyland 6 May 2018 16: 01
            +1
            Quote: romb
            These lands are fairly saturated with the blood of their ancestors. And the Russians came to the ready - to deserted and bloodless territories. In addition, quite a few of the Russian Kazakhs are in full interest in why and when the lands of the Kazakhs were in the Russian Federation. So, you can stir up.

            is it in Canadian history books that such nonsense is written? The Kazakhs, in fact, have a saying: "the black Chinese will come - the red-haired Russian will appear to be his father’s family!"
            1. romb
              romb 6 May 2018 16: 22
              +2
              If you take it as it is. Kazakhs have long treated the Russians as fraternal people. As life has shown, they vainly hoped for reciprocity. Now, the young generation no longer looks at Russia as something near and dear. She is just a neighbor to them. And more often than not, this is a fussy neighbor with hypertrophied complexes and unfounded claims for some kind of leadership there.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 6 May 2018 23: 19
                0
                Quote: romb
                And most often this is a fussy neighbor with hypertrophic complexes

                are you about yourself?
                self-critical
      3. Skarpzd
        Skarpzd 6 May 2018 02: 27
        0
        What can strain in the Kemerovo region?
      4. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 6 May 2018 11: 57
        +2
        Is everything normal with them? Will it survive at least? Where do you come from, the strainers are bad.
    3. gippernano
      gippernano 6 May 2018 09: 57
      +2
      It is worth straining the situation in northern Kazakhstan

      Do you want to sit down in Russia for extremism? joker
  7. shuravi
    shuravi 5 May 2018 12: 03
    +2
    The United States is making Kazakhstan a second Ukraine. And very successful.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 5 May 2018 13: 32
      +3
      Quote: shuravi
      The United States is making Kazakhstan a second Ukraine.

      Without the United States, they are happy to try. It’s been like that since the 92nd. Probably earlier . It became very noticeable from the 92nd. They did not consider themselves “the second Mongolia” from the very beginning and were the guarantor of their “security,” or rather the United States considered pan-Turkic plans.
    2. gippernano
      gippernano 6 May 2018 10: 00
      +1
      The United States is making Kazakhstan a second Ukraine. And very successfully

      Directly through the Internet I see how you are burning with the desire to substantiate your conclusion, no matter what evidence ...
  8. Runoway
    Runoway 5 May 2018 12: 06
    +5
    By the example of V.O.V. you need to leave the thought that we will protect the country on the approaches, it is high time to strengthen our border, and not rely on "friends-neighbors". If the Slavic brothers of Ukrainians were opposed against us, then these are one or two, and they (Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Tajiks) were flooded with a third of the country, anti-terror will get tired
    1. gippernano
      gippernano 6 May 2018 10: 08
      +1
      So that? will the experience of advanced countries be taken by archeologists? Antitank ditches, a netting net, watch towers ... Or purely quadrocopters, infrared video surveillance, seismic sensors, satellite constellation ?, can you afford?
  9. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 5 May 2018 12: 08
    +2
    Where are the Kazakhs in such a hurry with these mattresses? Like naked in a fire from a bathhouse!
    1. samarin1969
      samarin1969 5 May 2018 12: 59
      +1
      Quote: sib.ataman
      Where are the Kazakhs in such a hurry with these mattresses? Like naked in a fire from a bathhouse!

      As it was said in the "epoch-making" Kazakh film with Dakaskas about the northern country "in the guise of a bear"? ... This is a dream not only of Ukraine to build "happiness" on someone else's bayonets.
      About "shovels and borders" has long been relevant since 2008.
    2. Kasym
      Kasym 5 May 2018 14: 31
      +1
      Since the 10s, they have been driving loads of the Caspian Sea. hi
      1. gippernano
        gippernano 6 May 2018 10: 09
        +1
        Russia, just started tying it herself.
  10. Vadim851
    Vadim851 5 May 2018 12: 26
    +2
    20 billion dollars are kept for chicken with a steel grip. How far will they go?
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 5 May 2018 14: 32
      +1
      They are thawed since the end of January. hi
      1. Cap.nemo58rus
        Cap.nemo58rus 5 May 2018 17: 10
        +2
        I wonder on what conditions they were unfrozen? Maybe for the beautiful Kazakh eyes.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 5 May 2018 17: 25
          +2
          The funds of the National Fund were virtually unlawful due to a dispute between two commercial entities. They assigned to whom to answer for this on our part. That’s all. Now all kinds of courts are coming. Some justify, some invoice. In short, find out from whom the "connections" are thicker.
          Such a situation is unpleasant for them, because many will not understand this and the outcome of the funds of other countries may begin ... More noise because of this. One Moldovan delivered equipment to the GPP and issued invoices ... that the Germans' suppliers were shocked by them. Our "subject" was furious - people. turned out to be not easy from the family. And he decided not to pay for such a “scam” at all (since 09, things have been going on if memory serves) - it got to the point that the president had to intervene. And he has enough lobbyists. If Blerov, etc. buys, then ... there is someone to say a word. In principle, there are enough state-owned companies with large capital investments. 22 billion is the entire national debt of the country. hi
      2. Vadim851
        Vadim851 6 May 2018 00: 41
        0
        While thawed ...
        1. gippernano
          gippernano 6 May 2018 10: 12
          +2
          So you propose not to earn on transit? or what is the problem?
  11. keeper03
    keeper03 5 May 2018 12: 32
    +3
    Now the Afghan drug traffic will go through Kazakhstan, Nazarbush is good, he helped, so he helped! am
    1. gippernano
      gippernano 6 May 2018 10: 13
      +1
      Where will it go? In your Poland tattered?
  12. romb
    romb 5 May 2018 12: 36
    +1
    Nitsche ... that I’m sitting next to you, but I’ll take a look at your zoo. wassat
  13. iouris
    iouris 5 May 2018 12: 38
    +1
    Cargo will be transported to Afghanistan through Iraq, Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan .... and all-all-all. And everyone will be fine. Maybe the canal will also be dug into the Persian Gulf, and Moscow will become a port of six seas.
    1. gippernano
      gippernano 6 May 2018 10: 21
      +1
      Maybe a canal will be dug into the Persian Gulf

      And for this they can dig a channel, Cuba - Vladivostok
  14. spirit
    spirit 5 May 2018 12: 48
    +2
    Some hate us, others have a revolution, a third fraternizes with the USA) Really wonderful foreign policy of GDP, Just exactly the same as domestic good
    1. already a Muscovite
      already a Muscovite 5 May 2018 21: 22
      0
      When was it different ??
    2. gippernano
      gippernano 6 May 2018 10: 23
      +1
      Liberasts are not alone, but they all hate.
      Some hate us, others have a revolution, a third fraternizes with the USA) Really wonderful foreign policy of GDP, Just exactly the same as domestic good
  15. major147
    major147 5 May 2018 12: 48
    +6
    That's what life-saving account lockout does!
    1. jncnfdybr
      jncnfdybr 5 May 2018 12: 54
      +5
      This is called-nehru store money in America. Now the Kazakhs will squeeze out what is possible and what is impossible))
  16. 23rus
    23rus 5 May 2018 12: 59
    +2
    But now we will know how many trains and with what it migrates from Afghanistan and back. laughing
  17. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 5 May 2018 13: 11
    +2
    No wonder, oh no wonder the "East" was built ... A year or two and Kazakhstan will become a US colony ...
    1. gippernano
      gippernano 6 May 2018 10: 25
      +1
      You need a psychic to battle, with such a scent
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 6 May 2018 12: 01
        +1
        Yes, calm down already, here you are sausage. For each comment as a female dog during the hunt.
  18. Gardamir
    Gardamir 5 May 2018 13: 20
    +1
    It’s not scary, we have the best foreign policy and in general there are only partners around.
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  20. bang
    bang 5 May 2018 13: 29
    +4
    I heard that the barmalei exported from Syria to Afghanistan will go to build a caliphate in Central Asia. I thought how these "builders" would cross borders. And here everything is simple - "American Express".
  21. flicker
    flicker 5 May 2018 13: 59
    +2
    Poor geldings, in what pose they just do not just get to Afghanistan. By ocean, then through the strait, then by sea, again through the strait, again by sea ... and finally by land, it is Georgia, then through all Georgia to Azerbaijan, from there again by sea to Kazakhstan, then by land to Uzbekistan, and finally from Uzbekistan and Afghanistan. laughing
    Well, good logistics lol
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 5 May 2018 14: 52
      +4
      Quote: flicker
      Well, good logistics

      good At least someone can look a little farther ... We panim, alarmist sentiments began here ... wink
      The load is much easier to “see” while it passes through all the stations ... Yes, and to block, it is much easier ..
      I can’t understand why the stuffing is constant ?? "Smoke screen" ???
      Maybe we need to think that we are against ...? And we, vice versa, FOR wink
    2. gippernano
      gippernano 6 May 2018 10: 48
      +1
      successful logistics

      Logistics is in tenth place. At the first, grandeur is commensurate with a flight to the moon. The whole world must suffocate in admiration. Billions of dollars, thousands of people, a dozen states, everything works for an invincible American war machine. The media can spend hours covering this epic, experts from all over the world can again and again lay out these intricate routes that are not amenable to common sense, and Hollywood shoot series like: - Operation: Archhuman Human Love, and KO.
  22. Altona
    Altona 5 May 2018 14: 15
    +1
    Quote: Zampol
    Russian will spread rot and already driven ..

    -----------------------------
    Vital, beat the Zionists with an iron hand. laughing laughing
  23. sir_obs
    sir_obs 5 May 2018 14: 56
    +1
    Quote: romb
    Great European powers are shocked by your conclusions


    What is that? Not Baltic? So they are always in shock, because they are always under someone, like other "great" under the Americans.
  24. Straga
    Straga 5 May 2018 18: 03
    +2

    And now we compare the facts and draw conclusions. Nothing happens just like that!
  25. romb
    romb 5 May 2018 19: 00
    +1
    already a Muscovite,
    I will assume that you tried to at least something sensible to answer. And as I understand it, you asked - I answered. Once you agree, therefore, you have no objection.
    Well done. hi
    1. already a Muscovite
      already a Muscovite 5 May 2018 21: 28
      0
      Quote: romb
      you asked - I answered

      You decided to share your ignorance with me, that's all.
      1. romb
        romb 5 May 2018 22: 00
        +1
        I have a lot of this, that your "wisdom" is clearly not enough. fellow
  26. sss
    sss 5 May 2018 20: 26
    0
    "from the territory of Azerbaijan through the Caspian Sea to the Kazakhstan ports" Aktau "and" Kuryk "and then by rail through Uzbekistan."
    Go to the Caspian Sea.
    There is the city of Aktau in Kazakhstan, the old name of Shevchenko, there is the only seaport of Kazakhstan. From it the distance to the city of Makhachkala is about 300 km., To Astrakhan about the same. Is the python ring shrinking?
    And in these cities, and in the city of Kaspiysk, the Caspian military flotilla is based. Is it time to increase the number of ships armed with "calibers" in the Caspian?
  27. Evgeny Goncharov
    Evgeny Goncharov 6 May 2018 05: 45
    0
    Mikhail Zubkov,
    The Caspian Sea was, is and will be!

    Is he from vodka?
  28. ventel
    ventel 6 May 2018 09: 03
    +2
    Eka sausages like Russian patriots, but the government of the Russian Federation does not bother, it is clear that they know something, but they don’t speak openly. Because if this political solitaire is chewed up by the electorate, then all the Kisilevs and Solovyovs together with experts will look complete d.u.r.a.k.a.m.i.
  29. gippernano
    gippernano 6 May 2018 09: 03
    +1
    Enemies are more useful than friends. New realities of the modern world order. Well, to be friends like that.
  30. gippernano
    gippernano 6 May 2018 09: 07
    +1
    Quote: sss
    Is it time to increase the number of ships armed with "calibers" in the Caspian?

    Why isn’t R-36M Satan? So that kaaaaaaaag shibanut on all three of these coast guard boats.
  31. Swetliy
    Swetliy 6 May 2018 10: 01
    0
    Soyuznichki !!!
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  33. seacap
    seacap 6 May 2018 14: 01
    0
    A good ally working for our “partners” is somehow called, in my opinion, by a different name. It is not clear only the attitude of our taxis, or rather their complete infantilism and self-elimination in our original territories, everything is somehow very much like sabotage and complete disregard for their interests.
  34. romb
    romb 6 May 2018 16: 13
    +1
    already a Muscovite,
    Yes!! The Patriotic War of 1812 - the war between the Russian Empire and the French Empire on the territory of Russia in 1812. Before the Attack on the Republic of Ingushetia, the Russian Empire did not conduct any military operations against France and their allies .. There was a 5-year war with Turkey, which was over in 1812 Kutuzov.

    Back to school. Russia just before and participated in the Napoleonic wars. For example, the third and fourth European coalition of 1805-1807.
    Napoleon’s troops were not destroyed during the military battle. They themselves scattered and pretty self-destruct. The disobedience to orders and the open desertion of military units were not the result of the action of the enemy army, but of banal hunger and cold in the ranks of the Napoleonic army.
    The horde did so. Destroyed the city in the bud. With the whole population. With old people and children. Therefore, the nomads and destroyed as soon as they lost unity. After the defeat of Timur Tokhtamysh, the Horde is a parody of former greatness. The Horde did not leave anything behind. No people, no culture, no cities.

    The Horde did not actually have to. There was no resistance as such. These are not the Tanguts and not the states of Central Asia. When cities were taken in the course of many months, or even many years of sieges. Everything was decided easily and with little blood. Only the steppe inhabitants came, and the princes were already lining up behind the Horde tamga. They hoped to curry favor, did not even spare their own blood. And in general, neither European, nor Asian, Persian sources even mention close any active resistance. The horde, in general, came there in general, due to their graters with the Polovtsy and the Volga Bulgaria. And the princes simply turned up under a hot hand.
    And about what I did not leave behind, it's just ridiculous. Then why almost all of your financial-monetary and military-political system has Horde roots. Customs, money, treasury, altyn, ataman, esaul, guard, master and other thousands and thousands of words. I note that you borrowed from them, but vice versa.
    1. Siberian 1975
      Siberian 1975 6 May 2018 17: 15
      +2
      I don’t understand something. Firstly, your flag changes as a woman on the track, then Danish, then Canadian. Secondly, why did you decide to belittle the merits of OUR ancestors? Is there anything to be proud of? Have you asked someone a question about squatting for extremism? Are you afraid to land for an insult on a national basis? Who gave you the right to call us all "a fussy neighbor with hypertrophied complexes and unfounded claims for some kind of leadership there"? Maybe it is the citizens of Russia scattered about half-bent to earn money in the post-Soviet space? Or do you think that Russia does not have the right to claim the role of one of the leading countries?
    2. already a Muscovite
      already a Muscovite 6 May 2018 17: 28
      +3
      Quote: romb
      Back to school. Russia just before and participated in the Napoleonic Wars

      You are a Sudar, have you decided to hit into demagoguery? You here claimed with a blue eye that all the acquisitions of the Russians are their correct participation in the “coalitions” ... When they poked you, excursions into big politics began. They came to us, we dumped the lyuley, and reached Paris. And where were the great and mighty wars that spend many years in wars ?? Caravans robbed?
      Quote: romb
      The Horde did not actually have to.

      Russia was simply fragmented, and therefore fell, but it was gathered. And beat off the nomads, and even subjugated to herself. After all, the horde ran into the same rake. She also went the way of crushing, and she did not survive.
      Quote: romb
      Then why almost all of your financial-monetary and military-political system has Horde roots. Customs, money, treasury, altyn, ataman, esaul, guard, master and other thousands and thousands of words.
      Well, the borrowing took place, and I see nothing wrong with that. But the fact that you are claiming that the Horde brought us light and culture is simply nonsense. If we compare the influence of the Greeks and Byzantium on Russia, and the influence of the Horde and nomads, then this is how to compare light and progress with the abomination of desolation. The Türks -Torks-Berendey lived at Kiev since the time of Svyatoslav, beyond the boundaries of how many years before the advent of the Horde. And the horde did not come to empty lands. There were Bulgars, again Türks, there were Meshchors, Erzya, Chuvashs and others ... We had an interpenetration without the Horde. And for that matter, many of the Turkic words are of Persian, Mongolian and Arabic origin.
      As for the easy and small blood ... This is when Kiev was destroyed so that it no longer rose, or that Moscow was cut out and burned to the ground, more than once.
      Well and the main thing ...
      Quote: romb
      I note that you borrowed from them, but vice versa.

      That's it for them !! Not with you !! You have nothing to do with them. When we came to abroad to build resorts, forts, cities, camps, you weren’t there. Your entire, undoubtedly powerful and great ethnic group hung out in the area of ​​Semirechye, and was called sheybanids or nomadic Uzbeks. The Horde destroyed all the settled oases of the settlement in the steppe. And as it turned out, the nomads were not very autonomous in the steppe. Need iron, cloth, grain and more. So the broken and divided nomads all south and left. Ushkuiny in 1374 Trekking on 90 ears. The third time they took the city of Bulgar, then they went down and took Sarai itself - the capital of the Golden Horde.
      Well, after Timur, the steppe simply died out. There was no place to wander anywhere.
      And the Mantigans, the Nogays, are again not you.
      Your bloodlessness was caused simply by a dull carnage of each other. And nothing more. You simply took fantasies about the 300-year-old yoke to heart. You know your story and continue to fantasize, only from our sources, well, and even from Chinese ... Even our historians and diplomats wrote down your torus, 90 % of the aristocracy of the steppe neither read nor write skillfully. You will be very much surprised when you tell your story to the Kalmyks, Uzbeks, Nogais. Fantasy should be moderated slightly.
      1. romb
        romb 6 May 2018 18: 32
        +1
        That's it for them !! Not with you !! You have nothing to do with them. When we came to abroad to build resorts, forts, cities, camps, you weren’t there. Your entire, undoubtedly powerful and great ethnic group hung out in the area of ​​Semirechye, and was called sheybanids or nomadic Uzbeks. The Horde destroyed all the settled oases of the settlement in the steppe. And as it turned out, the nomads were not very autonomous in the steppe. Need iron, cloth, grain and more. So the broken and divided nomads all south and left. Ushkuiny in 1374 Trekking on 90 ears. The third time they took the city of Bulgar, then they went down and took Sarai itself - the capital of the Golden Horde.

        You forget one circumstance. All these states and tribal unions are one multi-ethnic community of the Great Steppe. Both Polovtsy (Kipchaks) and Bulgars considered each other as kindred peoples. However, the “Mongols”, coming to them, primarily expressed their kinship: “we are of the same blood and we will not fight with you”. And if not a series of tragic circumstances, that changed the fate of Eurasia. And to connect this with the cowardice of the average Russian Natsik, I can say that if it weren’t for this Memorial and the campaigns of Aksak Timur against the Horde, as a result of destroying the most powerful states and millions of the best soldiers of the world, you would still be running with tribute paid.
        On the ears. There are almost no sources. Yes, and 1374 g is a great Memorial. And even if it was so that they plundered the city, including Russian cities, is it really worth it to be proud of?)) Ordinary looters. Cowardly came running and then with also scooped up. Well, if you are proud of this rat raid, then you and I have different ideas about honor and national pride.
        By Sheybani. My dearest, he was Chingizid, one of the descendants of Shiban - the son of Chingiz Khan.
        And not the Mantigi Nogais. A MANGYT-FOOT. (do not meddle in these topics. This is not yours)
        Your bloodlessness was caused simply by a dull carnage of each other. And nothing more. You simply took fantasies about the 300-year-old yoke to heart. You know your story and continue to fantasize, only from our sources, well, and even from Chinese ... Even our historians and diplomats wrote down your torus, 90 % of the aristocracy of the steppe neither read nor write skillfully. You will be very much surprised when you tell your story to the Kalmyks, Uzbeks, Nogais. Fantasy should be moderated slightly.

        Well, that's their story. Not yours.
        So, drink valerian. Are you excited bully
        1. already a Muscovite
          already a Muscovite 6 May 2018 20: 02
          +2
          Quote: romb
          Ordinary looters. Cowardly came running and then with also scooped up.

          Well, they made you laugh ... That is, in your own way, according to you, is it damage to honor ?? Surround The nobility of the nomads were not born. Ushkuyniki ... heh ... Unknown ... To whom ?? You? You have an alternative story. Moreover, based on our sources, which you interpret yourself for the sake of. 1375 year. Under the command of Prokop, the ushkuyniki, out of 1500 attackers, defeated the five thousandth army of the Kostroma governor Pleshcheyev and captured Kostroma, where they rested for a while. Having rested for a couple of weeks in Kostroma, the ear-buds moved down the Volga. By tradition, they paid a “visit” to the cities of Bolgar and Saray-Berke. The rulers of Bolgar, taught by bitter experience, paid off a large tribute, but the khan's capital Sarai-Berke was stormed and plundered. From 1360 to 1375, the ushkuniki made eight large trips to the Middle Volga, not counting small raids.
          Quote: romb
          All these states and tribal unions are one multi-ethnic community of the Great Steppe. Both Polovtsy (Kipchaks) and Bulgars considered each other as kindred peoples. However, the “Mongols” came to them, first of all, expressed their kinship: “we are of the same blood and we will not fight with you”

          Do not carry nonsense. Straight Turks internationalists, the nomadic Comintern. Mongols are not Turks. All peoples once wandered, and to record all the nomads as their ancestors is a clownery. Why do not you take gypsies to your relatives ?? They are full, and wander and eat what they say in Turkic.
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          And not the Mantigi Nogais. A MANGYT-FOOT. (do not meddle in these topics. This is not yours)

          Why is that?? Just like ours. That we all wrote about you, all of you counted. This is found in our annals, and so on. Or maybe I was wrong. In general, start your own first, and then show off. You are called Kazakhs because it has become more convenient for us, there used to be Kyrgyz-kaisaki. Kazakhstan could very well become Kyrgyzstan and vice versa. And it’s not me Natsik, it’s you who’s such in your life. And it’s not me who’s nervous, you don’t find a place for yourself, from the realization that you cannot prove your antiquity. What is a story invented by your Kazakh scholars, no one takes seriously.
          1. romb
            romb 6 May 2018 20: 34
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            The rulers of Bolgar, taught by bitter experience, paid off a large tribute, but the khan's capital Sarai-Berke was stormed and plundered. From 1360 to 1375, the ushkuniki made eight large trips to the Middle Volga, not counting small raids.

            I see you are really proud. Although, what am I talking about. If you have nothing to be proud of in medieval history, you have to be proud of at least that. So stealth is cool belay good
            Do not carry nonsense. Straight Turks internationalists, the nomadic Comintern. Mongols are not Turks. All peoples once wandered, and to record all the nomads as their ancestors is a clownery. Why do not you take gypsies to your relatives ?? They are full, and wander and eat what they say in Turkic.

            What are the Mongols? Medieval Genghis Khan mangol or modern hulk with terr. Baikal? Come on do not talk about it. We will not talk about these respected peoples.
            Why is that?? Just like ours. That we all wrote about you, all of you counted. This is found in our annals, and so on. Or maybe I was wrong. In general, start your own first, and then show off. You are called Kazakhs because it has become more convenient for us, there used to be Kyrgyz-kaisaki.

            Here you are throwing. You do not even understand half of what you threw. And still sketched.
            So called, so as not to confuse with the Orthodox war Mamaia - warriors without khans in the head - Cossacks. The ethnonym is the same. And as you called the Kazakhs, this is your business. I do not care. For example, Kazakhs also call you Orys. So, we will consider it within the normal range.
            And in general, what you wrote there, you are our scientists. You, about ninety percent, were freed from slavery just over a hundred years ago. And what are you people eating birch bark, dressed in bast shoes, and not even able to count on their fingers, could teach life-saving. I agreed there was a very narrow category of RI citizens, whose contribution is quite significant. Although the overwhelming part, the usual ideological dregs And on the other hand, in general, is what is interesting here. The Kazakhs, having lived with you for more than two hundred years, were only allowed during the years of Soviet power to some benefits of civilization. So, there is no need to poison stories about the nobility of Russians. If it weren’t for Comrade Stalin and the party Jews, I think there was no progress.
            It’s just that you still have a national complex inside. And therefore, in this way you are trying to satisfy your inferiority, through mythological merits and fantastic exploits.
            And you can ask yourself a personal question: "And this is not me Natsik, you are such in your life. And it’s not me who’s nervous, you don’t find a place for yourself, from the realization that you cannot prove your antiquity." Are you not a woman by chance? Too emotionally (and not intellectually) trying to prove their position. wink
            1. already a Muscovite
              already a Muscovite 6 May 2018 21: 36
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              Quote: romb
              - warriors without khans in the head - Cossacks. The ethnonym is the same.

              You understand a lot in the Cossacks. The legendary Cossack from the Don, Vasily Gugnya appeared on Yaik in 1395-1396, when no one knew about you.
              Quote: romb
              Medieval Genghis Khan mangol or modern hulk with terr. Baikal?

              That is, you yourself have the right to be the heir to Genghis, you do not refuse, but do not recognize the relationship of the Mongols with Genghis Khan ?? AND ? Well, yes, who are they compared to you? YES?...
            2. already a Muscovite
              already a Muscovite 6 May 2018 21: 52
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              Quote: romb
              You, about ninety percent, were freed from slavery just over a hundred years ago. And what are you people eating birch bark, dressed in bast shoes, and not even able to count on their fingers, could teach life-saving.

              Here I agree with you. Where to our servants, to your Sharua who owned innumerable herds, and countless flocks. And your baigush in gold-cloth chapans, which were raised by the strongest baguettes on diamond cloths. Yes, the torus, which, after the revolution, the party Jews and Stalin, counted on the heads and they turned out, almost under 150 thousand, just riders on donkeys.
              Quote: romb
              The Kazakhs, having lived with you for more than two hundred years, were only allowed during the years of Soviet power to some benefits of civilization.

              So it was our fault that you walked like sheep in submission to these grandfathers in hats ?? Well, these are those who, under the Soviet regime, gathered and caught in helicopters throughout the steppe to teach and to read and write, and their parents arranged wars and did not let them go to schools ... hehe ..
              Personally, I don’t have any complexes. Just do not put your emotions into my text. You do like me. When I read you, I see such a shameful accent, and at the end of each phrase: "Yes there is ...."
              1. romb
                romb 7 May 2018 07: 46
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                Here I agree with you. Where to our servants, to your Sharua who owned innumerable herds, and countless flocks.

                And then. Compared.)) For the Kazakhs, the Sharua is an ordinary (free, wage) worker, while he was and remains a full member of society. What certainly can not be said about the serfs. The colossal figure of 24 million serfs at the time of the abolition of serfdom, as it were, implies the scale of the national drama. And this figure looks even more terrifying when you start making comparisons across the regions of the Republic of Ingushetia. So, in particular, in Central Asia and Kazakhstan, partly Ukraine, the Caucasus and almost all of Siberia - there is no serfdom. It is not for nothing that they say that serfdom (as a form of slavery) is the prerogative of a narrow, wealthy class exclusively with respect to the Russian people. And when you start to look at these things from a different angle, you come to understand that the well-known forms of Russian nationalism existing today, which pass from a certain stratum to direct Nazism, have their own logical explanations. Intolerance towards others, swagger, a desire to show, for any petty occasion, their little significance, is only a manifestation of the not completely weathered mentality of yesterday's serfdom. Therefore, the way it is
                Yes, the torus, which, after the revolution, the party Jews and Stalin, counted on the heads and they turned out, almost under 150 thousand, just riders on donkeys.

                Well, what is not a vehicle for you in the conditions of a severe steppe. What not everyone should do is the prerogative of being landless and have-nots serfs, pulling their modest belongings on their humps.
                Personally, I don’t have any complexes.

                Oh ... laughing . And what kind of attempt is it to switch to individuals all the time, if not an indicator of the complex? And I note this complex is far from air defense. Any psychiatrist will tell you so bluntly.
                When I read you, I see such a shameful accent, and at the end of each phrase: "Yes there is ...."

                Spitting out the used nasvai on the floor - Yes, Dimon, there ... bully
                1. romb
                  romb 7 May 2018 07: 49
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                  And further. Let's stop bickering. And you will learn that you cannot prove anything to me. And I, in turn, am not going to prove anything to you. I don’t have time with you, dear Dimon, to fuss. The parade begins.
                  Good luck.
                2. already a Muscovite
                  already a Muscovite 7 May 2018 20: 33
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                  Quote: romb
                  And then.

                  This is surprising ... You are here trying to me, and to somehow belittle us Russians, to determine some kind of inferiority in us. And at the same time also make your ignorance. The Russians, like everyone else, had both the poor and the rich, and serfs and merchants, and the aristocracy and the mob. But according to you, it was not so with you. All free and rich ... Well, why is this a lie ?? 99,9% of the nomads are common rabble - Kara-suek seems. Not everyone lived in yurts. What were they called there? ... Jataks are those who lived in dugouts. Kedei, Bishara, Tulenguts. Invented nonsense and believe in them. I personally have nothing to be ashamed of, we have different estates and blood in our ancestors. In general, Kazakhs amaze me. There are so many Nazism, how many Kazakhs are now, Germans will envy. And nevermind, Russian-non-Russian, if Russian-speaking, of any nationality, what kind of people begin right away territorial claims, accusations, claims. Especially delivers: "We must respect us. We must be thankful to us"? Who are you? For 25 years, they invented a story for themselves, these fake shogers, the mythical caring khans, sultans, bei ... they wrote down all the nomads of antiquity to themselves, from the Scythians, Saks and Massagets, to the Huns and Mongols. For the past 100 years, you don’t want to know your story, all the deeds of the ancient batyrs, of foreign nations do not allow you to sleep.
                  This is all because you have never had a homeland or a flag. It is now you have it. And before? Another clan \ tribe \ people will come and drive them further. From this, all the Nazi complexes in you are raging. Young people, young state. But I think this will pass soon.
                  And yet, yes! Happy holiday!
  35. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 6 May 2018 19: 48
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    Five years ago they flew through Ulyanovsk ...