Another 20 "Alligators". Egypt will receive a batch of the latest helicopters before the end of the month

Russia will supply the Ka-20 Alligator reconnaissance and attack helicopters to Egypt around 52 by the end of the month, Interfax reported, citing an informed source.

Before 30, the next batch of Ka-52 from 18-22 helicopters will be delivered to the Egyptian side

- Said the source agency.

Earlier in 2017, a batch of 15 helicopters was handed over to Egypt, while the contract must supply 46 Alligators.

It was also reported that in the 2018 year, the company "Helicopters of Russia" will produce about 25 combat "Alligators", six of them are intended for the Russian Defense Ministry, the rest - for export.

The export version of the Ka-52 is a modification of a serial combat helicopter. Unlike the base model, the Alligator for a foreign customer is manufactured using anti-corrosion materials and has a reinforced fuselage design. It installed new landing gear and wheels, designed for increased take-off weight of the helicopter.

On the Ka-52 in the export version, a new airborne defense complex and a sighting station are installed, which provides a greater range of detection and recognition of targets. The helicopter is also equipped with an updated onboard equipment system, an objective control system, an improved digital video registration system, and a new cooling system ensuring the operation of the helicopter in hot climates.

Comments

[NEXUS]

I can imagine how popular the KA-50 would be with customers. I am sure that Shark's potential for export would be higher than that of the Alligator, given its performance characteristics and price.

[Kaskad]

Again there will be losses (random))))

[Serge Gorely]

The only benefit from Marshal Taburetkin is somersault with the Mistrals .... True, he did not count on this, he was lucky ...

[maxim947]

All the same, it is a pity that this happened with the Mistrals, they would have found a worthy application in our armed forces (IMHO). Although many people think differently. By the way, during the times of the Union, everything that is now operating at the BDK was built in Poland, the overwhelming majority of the icebreaker fleet was in Finland, and nothing bad happened. The Navy is now straining with certain categories of ships.

[Serge Gorely]

Quote: maxim947

All the same, it is a pity that this happened with the Mistrals, they would have found a worthy application in our armed forces (IMHO). Although many people think differently. By the way, during the times of the Union, everything that is now operating at the BDK was built in Poland, the overwhelming majority of the icebreaker fleet was in Finland, and nothing bad happened. The Navy is now straining with certain categories of ships.

You confuse the hot with the soft - Poland and Finland built for us according to OUR standards, and "Mistral" according to the NATO standard. Even such a “trifle” as oil and grease - where to get it? About electronic "brains" you can not talk.

[maxim947]

Do not invent, helicopter carriers were built taking into account Russian requirements and under Russian systems, at a normal price and in a short time. And if there were any nuances, then not significant. Oils, brains what nonsense?

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: maxim947

Do not make up helicopter carriers were built

you are trying to explain this to a Persian who has neither materiel in his head, nor logic

[maxim947]

Really, why am I ....

[Serge Gorely]

Quote: maxim947

Really, why am I ....

“A total of about 50 fuels and lubricants are required for helicopter carriers. Use to replace European fuels and lubricants produced in Russia is fraught with engine and other systems failure, as well as the cancellation of the factory warranty. ”
Yes indeed, why are you ... just a troll. Himself stupid, blames others

[Serge Gorely]

Quote: maxim947

Do not invent, helicopter carriers were built taking into account Russian requirements and under Russian systems, at a normal price and in a short time. And if there were any nuances, then not significant. Oils, brains what nonsense?

Nonsense in your ganglion inter-ear registered. If you do not know the standards for imported equipment, for example, the cancellation of the guarantee for “non-native” fuels and lubricants, it would be better for you to remain silent.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Serge Gorely

Even such a “trifle” as oil and grease - where to get it? About electronic "brains" you can not talk.

learn the materiel first - then write nonsense !!

[Avis-bis]

Quote: maxim947

in the days of the Union, everything now operating in the BDK was built in Poland

"... and in Kiev - uncle." The USSR built a lot of things in the CMEA countries, even its own designs: Mi-2, An-2, ASh-62IR, An-28 in Poland. Decided in favor of Czechoslovakia the "competition" L-410vsBe-32vsAn-28 / -38 and L-29 / -39vsYak-30. And this is only for aviation.
So, in a conversation about Mistral, the CMEA example is completely off topic.

[maxim947]

but what about the Finns forgot to write? it seems not SVD? so it’s a normal example, and it’s not worth it to worry too much about it, sometimes it’s even useful to place orders in other countries so that ours don’t have a lot of bullying. The French two BDKs got bogged down, our Grena can’t get everybody screwed, and at the price it probably is not inferior

[Avis-bis]

Quote: maxim947

but what about the Finns forgot to write?

Because I am poorly versed in naval affairs. He gave examples of support for CMEA partners with aviation orders. This explains these orders, and not something else. With Finland, too, were pretty close contacts. We sold them MiGs, for example.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Serge Gorely

The only benefit of Marshal Taburetkin is somersault with the Mistrals

by the fact that his figure feeds trolls throughout Russia, he removed the epaulettes of money !!

[Borik]

The more we sell over the hill, the cheaper it will be for their own.

[Merold]

Quote: Borik

The more we sell over the hill, the cheaper it will be for their own.

Yeah. About how
- Oil is growing - gas prices are rising.
- Oil is falling - gas prices are rising.
- Oil stands still - gas prices are rising.

[NG inform]

In Russia, the cost of gasoline fluctuates with the cost of oil, except for the gradual increase in excise taxes. By the way, the cost of oil at our place is rooted to the spot - 6tr per barrel.

[Bronevick]

So is the Ka-50 better than the Ka-52? And what?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Bronevick

So is the Ka-50 better than the Ka-52? And what?

It is single, more maneuverable, cheaper than a team Alligator. KA-52 was originally conceived as a command vehicle, with which the command of the Shark squadron is conducted.

[Bronevick]

The load on the pilot will be large. Have you seen the video how Russian helicopters work in Syria? One pilot shoots a guided missile and leads it through the optical system to the target, from a distance of no more than 7 km, and at that time, who should control the helicopter then?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Bronevick

The load on the pilot will be large. Have you seen the video how Russian helicopters work in Syria?

But isn't the SU-57 single? And what about the load?

[Bronevick]

Well, we hope that on the Su-57 there will be a high level of automation and there will be a weapon with the principle of "shot and forgot" and will not have to keep the sighting mark until it falls into the target.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Bronevick

and you don’t have to keep the sighting mark until it hits the target.

Even with that automation and arsenal, the shark showed itself very well. And with today's developments, the uniqueness of this helicopter would not cause any problems.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: NEXUS

Even with that automation and arsenal, the shark showed itself very well.

... and, nevertheless, in all open sources they write that the rejection of the single-seat “Shark” is caused precisely by the fact that the avionics did not provide the necessary degree of automation of flight and combat control.

[Voyager]

And even the existing Ka-50s have been removed from service. It turned out to be too difficult to manage, which is why the Ka-52 appeared.

[crocodile25]

A new airborne defense complex and an aiming station, which provides a large range of target detection and recognition, are installed on the Ka-52 in export version

I do not understand they are better than ours or what?

[LMN]

Quote: krokodil25

A new airborne defense complex and an aiming station, which provides a large range of target detection and recognition, are installed on the Ka-52 in export version

I do not understand they are better than ours or what?

Also, such a question arose based on the text of the article.

[NG inform]

Always so, we are ordered to the army a little bit and in the poorest configuration. Foreigners always take better than the Russian army.

[Alex777]

I am sure that Shark's potential for export would be higher than that of the Alligator

Well, yes, you have one pilot and a reaper, and a dude is a dude ...
No wonder the Ka-52 went with a double cabin.

[Berkut24]

I can imagine how popular KA-50 would be with customers

No popularity. The double version just appeared due to the requirements of potential buyers to have a separate weapons operator. The Arabs have always been wound up, seen enough of the Americans. And our flyers confirmed that it’s hard for one on the battlefield.

[gromoboj]

Maybe amers, or maybe they looked at the mi-24.
For some reason, no one requires single tanks.

[nikoliski]

The Ka-52 is no worse than a shark, even more efficient, you can maneuver and fire at the same time (as it turned out, the single Ka-50 had problems with this, you had to hang motionlessly so that the pilot (aka navigator) could fire accurately

[Bronevick]

On the Egyptian Ka-52 is not such an aiming system on ours?

[Turgon]

For our "Mistral" which never became ours.

[Vard]

However, Egypt is very thoughtfully arming itself ... Against this background, rumors that the Egyptian military are being trained in Assad’s troops are very revealing ...

[Thunderbolt]

And how do they want to use 6 helicopters purchased by the Moscow Region?

[Every]

A new airborne defense complex and an aiming station were installed on the Ka-52 in export performance, which provides a large range of detection and recognition of targets. The helicopter is also equipped with an updated set of on-board equipment, an objective control system, an improved digital video recording system, as well as a new cooling system that ensures the helicopter's operation in hot climates.

But here I do not understand.
Is this what turns out, cars for export go better than for themselves?
Usually done differently.
Something is wrong in the "Danish kingdom."

[NG inform]

With defrosting. Since the collapse of the USSR, weapons have always been better supplied to foreigners than to themselves.

[alexhol]

You might think it was once different.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: alexhol

You might think it was once different.

It was. Tanks, for example, were supplied with a stripped-down assortment of ammunition. The Mi-25 avionics was changed ...

[igorserg]

This is different in Western countries, the best for yourself. The Czechs not so long ago "rebelled" that the same German-made meat products in the same packages at the same price are strikingly different in quality in Germany and in the Czech Republic not in favor of the latter.
Russia yes, it was always afraid to face the Western partners in the dirt, therefore the best was exported.

[Seld]

Quote: Bronevick

On the Egyptian Ka-52 is not such an aiming system on ours?

Read the story of the creation of Ka 50 and 52, including the reasons for the appearance of 52. Information - the wagon sea! Do not be lazy. Of particular interest are the tenders that the RF .... lost. In Turkey, including There is also a lot of completely open information on printers and navigation equipment (PNO). That is, the cannon (from the behi, 30 mm, by the way), ATGM "Whirlwind" / "Attack" (if the memory is not changed, correct, if it is not right) - this is one thing, but Schaub got it all, PNO set from the French, the Israelis. And the buyer himself is free to choose an electronic filling, which has its own characteristics and price. I would even say this: it’s great that we can put electronics from different suppliers on our helicopter wing. For example, if you believe the open infe, the Russian Federation has not decided, unfortunately, the topic of NVD for the "alligator and night hunter." Well, it happens ... More infa strained about the growth of the mass of the helicopter. As a rule, with \ these things, they try to "make less jokes." The increase in mass affects everything that lifts an aircraft into the air. The standard vicious circle: "mass growth - requires an increase in engine power - an increase in the total mass of la due to an increase in the mass of the engine (as a rule) - a decrease in flying performance." With this circle fought during the Second World War.

[Radical]

Another 20 "Alligators". Egypt will receive a batch of the latest helicopters before the end of the month

We are happy for Egypt ....

[weksha50]

Ahem ... it only amazes me:

“Unlike the basic model, the Alligator for a foreign customer is manufactured using anti-corrosion materials and has a reinforced fuselage structure. It has new landing gear and wheels designed for increased helicopter take-off mass ..." ...
“The export-mounted Ka-52 has a new airborne defense complex and an aiming station that provides a long range of target detection and recognition. The helicopter is also equipped with an updated avionics complex, objective monitoring system, an advanced digital video recording system, as well as a new cooling system"...

It’s somehow uncomfortable from such a statement of facts ... Why not ours, Russian, to be with such “gadgets”? ...