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Nord Stream - 2: A Carrot for Europe

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Before her visit to Washington, German Chancellor Angela Merkel reiterated the condition for the construction of the Nord Stream - 2 for Russia: it is necessary to preserve the Ukrainian gas transit to Europe. Moscow has not responded directly to this demarche, it is waiting for economically expedient proposals from the Ukrainian side. And what are the chances of Berlin that Kiev will put forward expedient proposals?




The position of Gazprom, which offered Kiev to prove the economic feasibility of preserving Ukrainian transit, takes into account all the costs, and, apparently, the Stockholm arbitration, too. It will not take into account - there is hardly any Ukrainian transit at all.

When you look at the debates around the construction of the joint venture - 2, as they have been going for many years, the thought creeps in that this is a carrot for Europe. Namely: Russia, judging by the laconic and always extremely correct statements of Gazprom, sees this as a distracting cover operation, which, at the lulling talk about which, is preparing to redistribute energy flows from Europe to China and further to Asia.

Of course, Russia will leave something to Europe, and even promises something to Ukraine, within the limits of economic expediency, bearing in mind that even a rat should not be driven into a corner. But there are no moans about this in Moscow. The joint venture 2 will be built, well, it will not be built - nothing terrible will happen either, for Russia. But the Ukrainian transit will still be radically revised, based on economic feasibility.

Such a position of Gazprom, and Moscow behind it, in marketing is called “polite refusal” - the most unpleasant form for the buyer side. Either they really think of supplying, or they lead by the nose in some forms - it is never possible to understand. No matter how they deny anything, valuable suggestions are accepted, but there is no close revelation.

Gazprom / Moscow hasn’t been making any movements towards Europe for a long time. The position of Moscow is formulated as follows: there is a consortium on the joint venture - 2, so let it work. No trilateral or even bilateral meetings on gas transit have been happening for a long time, proposals for such meetings from Europe have ceased. Note, not Russia sought them out.

It seems that Russia proceeds from the fact that the joint venture - 2 may not be, but the Power of Siberia and the Turkish Stream will definitely earn, which largely compensate for the Ukrainian transit to Russia. And then ... the rescue of the drowning is the work of those who stomp, Russia is going to the East.

At the end of 2019, the Power of Siberia gas pipelines to China and the Turkish Stream will be commissioned, after which Moscow can send all those who have not built gas pipelines to the global LNG market: they did not want to buy pipeline gas — buy LNG from Yamal.

But there is a nuance. For Germany alone, the joint venture 1 is enough, but the rest of Europe will have to switch to much more expensive American, Qatari and Russian liquefied gas. It is likely that Germany will provide itself with Russian pipe gas in the first place, and this may lead to a struggle in the European Union for equal access to Europe’s energy resources, and to new contradictions between European limit fits and Germany. The problem is that these limitrofy are in the majority, in fact, the political colonies of the United States, and Germany is not profitable to pay the American colonial system in Europe.

The gas problem 2019 of the year is already breathing Europe in the back of the head, it may well push the European Union to disintegrate in the struggle for cheap energy resources. The notorious George Soros again predicts the collapse of the European Union, but makes a false conclusion: Europe must unite to fight Russia, especially in Ukraine.

Such a strategy will only burden Europe’s position and accelerate its disintegration, which is what Washington is really trying to achieve. The United States will easily deal with the old European powers one by one: impose their economic will on them. And liquefied gas. Recall: the economic strategy of Donald Trump, which forms the famous Nobel Prize in economics Stiglitz, is to conclude separate agreements with each European country.

In general, all interested parties understand this. Russia offers energy cooperation to Europe, drives a sweet carrot with gas in front of its nose, although you can’t be forcibly cute. Russia does not benefit from the collapse of Europe, because then Europe will go piecemeal under American direct control, and will become even more anti-Russian.

In Europe and Germany, this is understood, and some elites do not want to lose all independence and go completely under America. The chairman of the European Commission, and Angela Merkel's protege, Jean-Claude Juncker recently reiterated: “My friend Vladimir Putin, although now it’s impossible to talk about friendship with Putin. We must learn to speak with Russians as equals. Without Russia, it makes no sense to discuss the security of Europe. Today, Europe is a small, weak part of the universe, GDP fell from 25 to 18-16% of the world, we lose demographically. "

Note, Juncker focuses on the security of Europe, that is, he sees the main threat in the disintegration of Europe under the burden of contradictions. By the way, Russia's GDP is more than 3% of the world, and it does not fall, but grows even under sanctions, and it is clearly undervalued, since it is fully productive, without financial overhead and manipulation. In the context of economic warfare, one can hardly believe the world, but Western rating agencies and other financial appraisers. The Russian economy has successfully resisted Western sanctions, despite its alleged "incompatibility." To explain this fact, world economists cannot, and do not notice another fact: the Russian economy is the third largest in the world in terms of power consumption. And what follows from this? ..

In general, 2019 may become a crucial year: the global redistribution of energy flows this year may bring down the US virtual financial and debt economy: it will come into collision with new economic realities. After all, the United States has become a global office center, and it is losing control over global assets, as it has inflated a huge financial bubble, and has broken away from the real, producing world. Hence, such sanctions pressure by the United States is not only on its direct competitors in the person of Russia and China, but also on its European allies. A global economic storm is approaching, and the American shirt is closer to the body of Donald Trump: “America first!” And Europe, too, not to mention Ukraine and other remote American colonies.
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  1. dSK
    dSK 2 May 2018 05: 55
    +2
    A global economic storm is approaching

    He has already matured 1998 - 2008 - 2018 ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 2 May 2018 06: 43
      +4
      It’s not a matter of the storm, but of politics. Yes, it may happen that SP2 is not built ... But why then worry about any Danes Ibn Swedes? They will buy expensive, they will not get used to it. Politics are more expensive than money.
      Quote: dsk
      A global economic storm is approaching

      He has already matured 1998 - 2008 - 2018 ...
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 2 May 2018 07: 54
        +11
        Surviving for Europe is definitely not necessary! For Miller with Gazprom - too! They need this project, let them worry!
        I repeat, as the news about Gazprom appears - I recall the song of Semyon Slepakov ..... it’s like Our common gas, and Dreams come true - Only you! hi
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 2 May 2018 07: 57
          +8
          Quote: Hunter 2
          how the news about Gazprom appears - I remember the song of Semyon Slepakov

          What very clearly characterizes you.
          At leisure, take an interest in where the money comes from in the budget of the Russian Federation. Sobering up, you know.
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 2 May 2018 09: 06
            +11
            Golovan - Your characteristics are not interesting to me at all! wink this is the first.
            The second is that at different speeds, money appears in the Budget, in the pockets of the Russians and Gazprom Tops! negative
            Projects of Miller (this “genius” of the manager) - even discuss and criticize laziness! I’ll leave only the figure of 2.4 trillion rubles, the cost of failed Gazprom projects! No.
            However, as laziness to communicate with you! Do not bother - do not answer! hi
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 2 May 2018 09: 14
              +7
              Quote: Hunter 2
              like at different speeds, money appears in the Budget, in the pockets of Russians and Gazprom Topov

              And how did you measure "speed"?
              Quote: Hunter 2
              Your characteristics are not interesting to me at all

              It Yours sadness ...
              You personally are also absolutely uninteresting to me. But there are many of you, and the answer, IMHO, is:
              - Without Gazprom there will not be a big chunk of the budget.
              - Without this piece of the budget the State will be very sour.
              - without the State it will be extremely sour to you. because without the buns growing in the store, water and light you will live ... well, for a month. If your feral neighbors do not grumble before.
              Something like that. And you, yes ... continue to listen to songs, Slepkov is your fso yes
              1. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 2 May 2018 09: 34
                +10
                So be ONE time I will answer you! Although it is unpleasant for me to communicate with you, commentator on comments! laughing
                1. Without Gazprom there will not be a large chunk of the budget ... I proposed to cancel the gas and liquidate Gazprom ??? You are clearly out of your mind!
                2. Without this piece of the budget, the state will be very sour .... Enchanting! Gas - belongs to Gazprom? belay did not know laughing
                3. Without the State it will be sour to me ... but who argues? Only, the State, Gazprom and Miller are not synonyms! wink Moreover - Miller in this bunch, definitely EXTRA! yes
                4. About the rolls growing in the store .... You definitely quit drinking ??? Not what irreversible consequences in the brain did not start ?, sincerely hope but not sure!
                5. The rest of the nonsense - I will not comment ... I will answer with your favorite phrase, I did not engage - feed TROLA!
                6. Do not advise what to do - do not get directions for further movement! yes
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 2 May 2018 09: 41
                  +6
                  Quote: Hunter 2
                  Gas - belongs to Gazprom? did not know

                  Produced gas belongs to him. After paying the related taxes.
                  Did you not know? My empathy.
                  By the way, until gas is produced, it’s difficult to sell it to anyone. wink
                  Quote: Hunter 2
                  Miller in this bunch, definitely EXTRA

                  Miller is a politician of the level of president of any (choice) from the former Union republics. perhaps even higher.
                  Gas projects and deals - it’s not for you to sell potatoes in the market, you know ...
                  Quote: Hunter 2
                  About rolls growing in the store ..

                  So this is elementary, Watson: there is no money in the budget - there is no bun in the boutiques. Did you find the nineties? I am yes request
                  Quote: Hunter 2
                  Do not advise what to do

                  Yes, my God, how can I ... You better listen to Slepakov, but I don’t need to laughing
                  1. Hunter 2
                    Hunter 2 2 May 2018 09: 49
                    +5
                    laughing laughing laughing That's nice smart boy No. as always, informativeness is zero, words taken out of context, and delusions of grandeur - on the basis of untreated alcoholism! request
                    I did not get to feed TROLA! tongue
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 2 May 2018 09: 51
                      +5
                      Quote: Hunter 2
                      laughing laughing laughing That's nice smart boy No. as always, informativeness is zero, words taken out of context, and delusions of grandeur - on the basis of untreated alcoholism! request
                      I did not get to feed TROLA! tongue

                      She is not yet attracted to rudeness, but already - to the brink ...
                      Satisfied with hysteria, until new, fruitful meetings hi
                      1. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 2 May 2018 10: 02
                        +6
                        tongue tongue laughing Figwam is an Native American national hut! (Matroskin - quote) !!! laughing laughing laughing
                        Find yourself a girl, but not to Me - I advise you! stop Chur Me - from your enchanting conclusions! negative
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                    1. Senior manager
                      Senior manager 2 May 2018 15: 43
                      +2
                      Quote: okko077

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                      okko077 (Valery) Today, 12:17 ↑ New
                      Primitive insignificance glorifying the robbery of his people in favor of a handful of oligarchs under the guise of objective necessity

                      A person who proceeds to discuss the opponent’s personality has no arguments and has a lack of knowledge. IMHO. Read how Tatyana argues.
          2. Tatyana
            Tatyana 2 May 2018 09: 59
            +5
            Russia, judging by the laconic and always extremely correct statements of Gazprom, sees in this, perhaps A DISTURBING COVERAGE operation, under lulling talk about which it is preparing to redistribute energy flows from Europe to China and further to Asia at the maximum pace.

            The author is mistaken! This is not “COVERAGE” by Russia, but a strictly necessary measure for Russia, and this measure has its own business risks. Namely.

            For the economic and political stability of the production of any corporation and the country as a whole, the markets for the producer of goods should be broad and sufficient. And any loss of a market niche in this regard in the market of goods and services is fraught for the manufacturer and the country as a whole not only economic, but also political losses!
            It is necessary to hold onto and competently compete for the European and BV-n market of Russia, for the re-reorganization of Russia ONLY to the PRC market is also fraught with serious undesirable economic and political business risks! Namely.

            If Russia with its oil and gas leaves the sales market from Europe and Turkey and focuses only on the Chinese consumer, then Russia will receive a kind of its only consumer monopolist.
            And the monopolist, as such, is a monopolis in consumerst, which in the end begins to dictate to the supplier its COLONIAL conditions for bringing down the price of the products delivered to it to unacceptable sizes, or at the same time demand various political and geographical concessions for the exploitation and accession of the lands of the sovereign state - producer-supplier of goods.
      2. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin 2 May 2018 09: 30
        +4
        The most interesting thing is that the construction is still standing. If the construction of the lead-in threads is somehow moving, then the construction of the CS Slavyanskaya was “slowed down” as early as the first of April, I've been waiting at home for a month now when they call.
  2. dog breeder
    dog breeder 2 May 2018 06: 01
    +7
    Yesterday's case is proof of that. Russia is redirecting its oil to China, since there is a practically unlimited market with growing prospects. In place of Russian oil there are many who wish. While Iran was under sanctions, it did not supply its oil to the market. Now, Iran has the opportunity to enter the European market, both for oil and for LNG. But the counter, under the red sign, has its own plans for this piece. Therefore, a provocation was organized about the allegedly hidden nuclear weapons. This is an occasion, at least, to impose sanctions again, and this again means an economic blockade and the ability to push expensive American energy resources, or even drive Iran into chaos, like Libya.
    1. moskowit
      moskowit 2 May 2018 08: 25
      +1
      Russia is redirecting its oil to China, since there is a practically unlimited market with growing prospects.

      Will we not further grow up, strengthening the military potential of the Celestial Empire with our energy resources, on my chest I do not snake, but a whole dragon ???
      1. dog breeder
        dog breeder 2 May 2018 08: 31
        +3
        Are we for nothing? International cooperation on a mutually beneficial basis is better than any war.
        And the dragon has been living there since ancient times, jade.
        1. moskowit
          moskowit 2 May 2018 08: 46
          +1
          Here, here ... And it will turn from jade into steel with high-precision technology and, moreover, with a ready-made nuclear inside !!!
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 2 May 2018 09: 35
            +1
            Quote: moskowit
            Will we not further grow up, strengthening the military potential of the Celestial Empire with our energy resources, on my chest I do not snake, but a whole dragon ???

            We must grow up! If Russia with its oil and gas leaves the sales market from Europe and Turkey and focuses only on the Chinese consumer, as its only monopolist consumer. A monopolist is also a monopolist in consumers, which in the end begins to dictate its colonial conditions to the supplier.
          2. dog breeder
            dog breeder 2 May 2018 10: 21
            +4
            moskowit (Nikolai Ivanovich)
            Here, here ... And it will turn from jade into steel with high-precision technology and, moreover, with a ready-made nuclear inside !!!

            Nikolay Ivanovich! China's economy is perhaps the first in the world. Moreover, not bloated, as in the United States, but more real. And the nuclear gut with high-precision electronic filling plows with might and main! And, China, in good neighborly terms, offers us cooperation, not confrontation. And while the US is drowning its relations with China, we need to build our own. Of course, taking into account the mistakes of the past.
            1. moskowit
              moskowit 2 May 2018 11: 00
              +1
              Of course, taking into account the mistakes of the past.

              Exactly what’s taking into account .... I had to be a witness and a participant in the correction of these errors after the bloody events of March 1969. It got to the point that two districts wanted to make KDVO ... Can you imagine what the concentration of troops was in the Far Eastern theater of operations. What enormous funds were invested in strengthening the border, deploying military units, building infrastructure for their livelihoods and the possibility of conducting military training ...
              In the words of Arkady Raikin, "This is money that has gone away ..." ... But then the money was in the state pocket, and now the state is sharing the profits with the oligarchic elite, from which all the stolen money from the People for the sale of the PEOPLE'S DIGNITY is built in very "warm" and alas, places far from the country. What excludes their use in exceptional circumstances ...
              1. dog breeder
                dog breeder 2 May 2018 12: 12
                +2
                Nikolay Ivanovich! Some, not only participated, but still live there.
                My grandmother told how the Chinese and Russians, during her youth, went through Argun to tea (drink tea).
                There was another, when I arrived, only once, almost by accident, at one of our outposts, they across the river, into the loudspeaker, from the observation tower, greeted me. Honestly, I was scared.
                But time goes on. And you need, preparing for everything, still strive to live in peace!
                1. moskowit
                  moskowit 2 May 2018 13: 39
                  +1
                  So I’m talking about this ....
                  "Nothing lasts forever under the moon," "From love to hate, one step ..."
                  And about joint “teas” and about Christmas trees among Amur, about visiting markets in the 50-s ... This is all well known to many ... We are still alive. And we have something to compare with ...
                  But you can’t forget anything!
                  It was like this-
                  and it was so
                  1. moskowit
                    moskowit 2 May 2018 20: 59
                    0
                    And where, interestingly, did the photo go with our fighter liberators?
                    It was inserted after the words "it was so" ....
      2. major147
        major147 2 May 2018 22: 57
        0
        Snakes have to be heated everywhere.
    2. Tomato
      Tomato 2 May 2018 23: 14
      0
      Seriously?? It’s strange even. But industry experts working in this area say the exact opposite. https://pamm-trade.com/zagolovok-novosti-ekonomik
      i-kitaj-otkazalsya-sila-sibiri-2-novyx-kontraktov
      -rossiej-postavkam-prirodnogo-gaza / 22682 / There is also the volume of gas needed by China.
      And the second one. I hope you know on what conditions the Power of Siberia is built? China refused to finance. Do you know what that means?
      They will voice their price. Not happy - disassemble your pipeline for scrap.
      Turkmenistan did not rejoice in China's monopoly for long:
      "A serious shortage of food products has arisen in the country: flour is given out at registration, and people fight in queues for bran

      Twenty years ago, the future of Turkmenistan seemed cloudless and happy: the sale of gas, which this country was rich in, made it possible for all its inhabitants to hope for a long and comfortable life. However, the common misfortune of such "hydrocarbon" economies (including Russia) was not long in coming. The situation in Turkmenistan is now better than in Venezuela, but everything is going according to the same scenario. "
  3. Amurets
    Amurets 2 May 2018 06: 05
    +3
    In general, all interested parties understand this. Russia offers energy cooperation to Europe, drives a sweet carrot with gas in front of its nose, although you can’t be forcibly cute. Russia does not benefit from the collapse of Europe, because then Europe will go piecemeal under American direct control, and will become even more anti-Russian.

    After the current cold winter, China is not against expanding supplies to Russia. So anything is possible. A second gas pipeline branch in the PRC is also possible. China intends to increase gas supplies from Russia and other countries due to insufficient reserves in many cities of the country. This was told at a press conference by the head of the State Committee for Development and Reform of China, He Liefeng, TASS reports. https://rg.ru/2018/03/06/kitaj-reshil-uvelichit-p
    ostavki-gaza-iz-rossii.html
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 2 May 2018 06: 49
      +3
      Good afternoon, dear Nikolai! As for China, you are always up to date with the latest developments. And Europe, of course, does not want RUSSIA to bow. And have to, have to!
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 2 May 2018 07: 45
        +4
        Quote: Reptiloid
        And Europe, of course, does not want RUSSIA to bow.

        Dima with the holiday of your loved ones. Now at the expense of China. At least at our local level, China would like to return to relations of the 50s of the last century when there was a slogan: “Russian-Chinese: friendship forever.” What happened then, you probably remember? And now, yes, we need a friend, but the relationship should be partnership and equal, without any love and friendship forever. remember the film “The White Sun of the Desert and the ingenious phrase of this film:“ East is a delicate matter. ”When we mean east as part of the world or as part of a country, we mean something specific, extraordinary, requiring a special approach. It is no coincidence that the eastern parts of certain countries often gravitate towards their eastern neighbors.In Russia there are a very large number of “eastern neighbors”: China, Japan, Korea, Kazakhstan, etc. Therefore, when these regions experience certain problems, they need to be addressed delicately, without fanaticism and radicalism. The East always opposes itself to the West and can use the slightest excuse for this. However, it happens that the opposites attract.

        More details: https://www.kakprosto.ru/kak-922545-vostok-delo-t
        onkoe- # ixzz5EJg8wgd3
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 2 May 2018 08: 01
          +2
          Thank you Nikolay! I also congratulate you !! I read that Stalin created a strong alliance with China to influence Southeast Asia. The USSR helped China create its aviation, both by machines and by people --- pilots, technicians, and instructors. China paid for this support. It was on the initiative of K.E. Voroshilov, about which I wrote a commentary on the book of Anatoly Dyomin to another article today --- Shpakovsky (about poisoned feathers).
          Sincerely.
          1. dog breeder
            dog breeder 2 May 2018 12: 46
            +2
            Reptiloid (Dmitry)
            I read that Stalin created a strong alliance with China

            But then the "Khrushchev thaw" came, and for a long time froze relations with China, practically turning them into hostile ones.
  4. Phil77
    Phil77 2 May 2018 07: 01
    +5
    In principle, Gazprom’s position is right. They’ll come and offer it themselves. Well, feed the banderlogs last thing.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 May 2018 07: 19
    +4
    One thing is clear that the United States, by hook or by crook, is trying to squeeze Russia on this market without ceasing to put pressure on Europe along the way. If Europe is undecided and, in addition, continues to blackmail us with compulsory transit through Ukraine, it will really remain, if we so wish, expensive American or our liquefied gas.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 2 May 2018 08: 51
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      ........ If Europe is undecided and in addition will continue to blackmail by obligatory transit through Ukraine, it will really remain, if it wants, expensive American or our liquefied gas.

      Yes, of course, it’s worth considering what to choose --- high prices + indecent posture, or the prices of the mountain are lower and spit on the interests of Ukraine! It’s hard to imagine --- what will they choose ?????????
  6. Glory1974
    Glory1974 2 May 2018 09: 10
    +1
    The USA will easily deal with the old European powers one by one: they will impose their economic will on them. And liquefied gas.

    As a result, the Americans will still trade in liquefied gas. And Gazprom knows this, and therefore has been building liquefaction plants for a long time, as in Yamal. The whole question is in what proportions the market will be divided.
  7. vlad007
    vlad007 2 May 2018 09: 22
    +2
    1 Nord Stream (namely 1, this is not a typo) and the Ukrainian GTS are “communicating vessels” - the less they pump through UkrGTS, the more Ukraine will take from SP1, because Ukraine now receives gas by reverse from Europe. And the more Ukraine takes from SP1, the less Europe will remain. There is no way to do without SP2!
    1. dog breeder
      dog breeder 2 May 2018 10: 23
      +5
      Ukraine takes nothing from SP-1. They sell it, moreover, very expensive.
  8. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 2 May 2018 11: 20
    0
    Quote: Tatiana
    Russia, judging by the laconic and always extremely correct statements of Gazprom, sees in this, perhaps A DISTURBING COVERAGE operation, under lulling talk about which it is preparing to redistribute energy flows from Europe to China and further to Asia at the maximum pace.

    The author is mistaken! This is not “COVERAGE” by Russia, but a strictly necessary measure for Russia, and this measure has its own business risks. Namely.

    For the economic and political stability of the production of any corporation and the country as a whole, the markets for the producer of goods should be broad and sufficient. And any loss of a market niche in this regard in the market of goods and services is fraught for the manufacturer and the country as a whole not only economic, but also political losses!
    It is necessary to hold onto and competently compete for the European and BV-n market of Russia, for the re-reorganization of Russia ONLY to the PRC market is also fraught with serious undesirable economic and political business risks! Namely.

    If Russia with its oil and gas leaves the sales market from Europe and Turkey and focuses only on the Chinese consumer, then Russia will receive a kind of its only consumer monopolist.
    And the monopolist, as such, is a monopolis in consumerst, which in the end begins to dictate to the supplier its COLONIAL conditions for bringing down the price of the products delivered to it to unacceptable sizes, or at the same time demand various political and geographical concessions for the exploitation and accession of the lands of the sovereign state - producer-supplier of goods.


    As is clear from the statements of the government and Gazprom, no one is going to leave Europe! Where did you hear that? But, apparently, they will not begin to beg and impose themselves in the manner of the 90s-2000s, especially after the frenzied Russophobia that unfolded today! And it’s not fatal for us if you suddenly don’t have enough gazkos for naglosaksa in the cold winter of next year!
  9. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 2 May 2018 11: 38
    +1
    From the turn of gas flows, or other reasons, but the crisis of the world economy should happen inevitably! Not because she doesn’t work there somehow, but because she has long become a tool for very politically dishonest politicians! And when dirty games begin, wait for trouble!
  10. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 2 May 2018 15: 20
    0
    If Europe becomes piecewise sucking from the United States, then this may be, and it will become better for us. Suppose that Estonia snacks on LNG from Texas, and Latvia changes its mind on time (or vice versa, otherwise they, having read, are crap one's pants in their sejms). In any case, they no longer have time to shift railway tracks. By this time we will change the relief!
  11. NF68
    NF68 2 May 2018 16: 54
    0
    The EU will not manage without Russian gas. EU countries produce too little of this gas, deliveries from the Middle East are too risky, deliveries of LNG from the USA are too expensive. Renewable sources of electricity are a good thing, but so far no one has really managed to store this extracted electricity. In Germany, the operation of the last nuclear power plants will cease in the coming years. That remains Russian gas. And if the USA still does not refuse customs duties on steel and aluminum from the EU, then the EU’s situation will obviously not improve.
  12. NKT
    NKT 2 May 2018 21: 54
    +2

    It seems that Russia proceeds from the fact that the joint venture - 2 may not be, but the Power of Siberia and the Turkish Stream will definitely earn, which largely compensate for the Ukrainian transit to Russia. And then ... the rescue of the drowning is the work of those who stomp, Russia is going to the East.



    The author is clearly not in the subject. How can the Power of Siberia compensate for Ukrainian transit if it is tied to the Chayandinskoye field, and in the long run to the Kovykta? This is a completely different regional base. We do not have a pipe from the Yamal deposits to the Power of Siberia. And if there is no SP-2 and Ukrainian transit, what does the author propose to do with thousands of wells, jam? The Turkish stream does not compensate for such volumes.
  13. Arkady Kharitonov
    Arkady Kharitonov 2 May 2018 22: 41
    +1
    the problem is that Gazprom has agreements on gas supplies to a number of countries. If there is no flow, it is now necessary to file for the termination of supply contracts and Gazprom continues to conclude new agreements with a number of countries
  14. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 3 May 2018 20: 42
    0
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Miller is a politician of the level of president of any (choice) from the former Union republics. perhaps even higher.

    Chubais and Miller - two boots (St. Petersburg) - a pair. One is a flower merchant, and the second is an "infantryman" by market. So what about some levels there? what
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 3 May 2018 20: 49
      0
      Quote: 16112014nk
      So what about some levels there?

      Dumb, dear? And, yes, Chubais. You dragged here in vain, I did not say anything about him.
      About the "markets" and so on, I do not know anything for certain. But the fact that any deal (or project) of Gazprom is about 80% politician, and only the rest is loot (without which, by the way, there will be no budget ... well, oh well) - I know for sure. But Gazprom drives the same Miller yes
      If there is something to object to the case - go ahead wink
  15. intuzazist
    intuzazist 4 May 2018 18: 36
    0
    am am belay Why is it so?! In my opinion soooooooooo! And the site administration will not watch my sex life ?! As I want, so I comment !!! The main thing is I don’t break the rule ..........................................
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  16. intuzazist
    intuzazist 4 May 2018 18: 37
    0
    Yes, the administration of the site, it's me you lieutenant junior! And in life ............................................
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  17. fa2998
    fa2998 8 May 2018 19: 26
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    Can Russia really hit the negotiating table with a fist, show the character, set its conditions! We are building the 2 joint venture in order to abandon the unreliable partner, from the thieving Ukraine, and we should already have an ultimatum — save the transit. Then why should the 2 joint venture? should we change them too? The interests of Ukraine are priority for us. Let us show our teeth at least once. Let the tankers take out gas from Ust-Luga. hi hi
    1. NF68
      NF68 8 May 2018 19: 33
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      Quote: fa2998
      Can Russia really hit the negotiating table with a fist, show the character, set its conditions! We are building the 2 joint venture in order to abandon the unreliable partner, from the thieving Ukraine, and we should already have an ultimatum — save the transit. Then why should the 2 joint venture? should we change them too? The interests of Ukraine are priority for us. Let us show our teeth at least once. Let the tankers take out gas from Ust-Luga. hi hi


      Everyone understands everything perfectly. Why would Russia once again step into a known substance when it comes into contact with which it will start to stink?