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Pantsir-M and Polyment-Redut. On the "Admiral Kuznetsov" change the air defense system

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The only Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov will receive the Polymen-Redut long-range sea-launched anti-aircraft missile system into service during the modernization, TASS reports, citing a source in the shipbuilding industry.


Pantsir-M and Polyment-Redut. On the "Admiral Kuznetsov" change the air defense system


In addition to the "armor" on the ship it is planned to install long-range air defense systems - the newest complex "Poliment-Redut"
- said the source. Now on the "Kuznetsov" there are only short-range air defense systems "Dagger" and "Dirk".

As Viktor Bursuk, the deputy head of the Russian Navy, said earlier, work on the Kuznetsov will begin in May, the ship will receive new Pantsir-M short-range missile and artillery systems. According to Bursuk, new boilers and new systems will also be installed on the ship, providing flights, in particular, landing systems, surveillance and control systems. The fleet expects to get the aircraft carrier into service in the 2021 year.

According to another source in the shipbuilding industry, aerofiners, radio beacon group and signal equipment will be replaced from the landing equipment on the ship, and the entire communication system will be changed to Kuznetsov. At the same time, the source noted, "the Granit strike missile system will not change on the aircraft carrier."

"Polyment-Redut" - a shipborne anti-aircraft missile system with a vertical launch. According to open sources, the system is able to use 9М96MD anti-aircraft missiles with a maximum range of aerial targets to 150 km. In particular, the complex is installed on the head frigate of the 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov" project, the tests of which should be completed in summer.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. BZTM
    BZTM April 30 2018 17: 25
    +3
    the ship will receive new short-range missile-artillery systems "Shell-M". According to Bursuk, new boilers and new systems will also be installed on the ship to ensure flights, in particular, landing, surveillance, and control systems. The fleet expects to receive an aircraft carrier in combat in 2021.

    As another source in the shipbuilding industry specified, from the take-off and landing equipment on the ship will be replaced aerofinishes, a beacon group and signaling equipment, and the entire communication system will be changed at Kuznetsovo.

    It is easier and cheaper to build a new house than to do in the old repair.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall April 30 2018 17: 28
      +24
      Quote: BZTM
      It is easier and cheaper to build a new house than to do in the old repair.

      With this principle, sellers of wallpaper and linoleum would have long gone bankrupt. smile
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 30 2018 17: 34
      +12
      Performance Characteristics
      The SAM system includes the Poliment radar with 4 phased arrays. The maximum number of simultaneously fired targets is 16 (4 for each headlamp).

      Missiles are placed in vertical launch installations, consisting of modules of 4 or 8 cells each. In the cell there is one transport and launch container with a long or medium-range missile (9M96E, 9M96E2) or 4 short-range missiles (9M100). When launching a rocket, a cold start is used. A charge of compressed air rocket is thrown from a vertically located transport and launch container to a height of 30 m, turning towards the target using a gas-dynamic system. Due to this, the minimum interception range is significantly reduced. The gas-dynamic system also provides the rocket with a super-maneuverability mode and is capable of increasing the rocket overload by 0,025g in 20 s [4].

      For 9M96E, 9M96E2 missiles, inertial command guidance is used on the marching section of the trajectory, and active radar homing in the final section [2]. The 9M100 short-range missile is equipped with an infrared homing head. Capture the target immediately after the launch of the rocket.

      According to field tests and computer simulations, 9M96E and 9M96E2 missiles with a probability of 70% provide a direct hit on the head of a tactical missile, in the remaining 30% of cases the deviation does not exceed several meters. The probability of hitting a plane is 80%, a helicopter - 90%.

      Maximum firing range 120-150 km
      Max goal height 30 km
      The warhead weighing 24 kg due to multi-point initiation has a controlled lesion field.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 April 30 2018 18: 35
        +7
        It was smooth on paper ...
        9М96Е2 is also 9М96МД - it does not fly by any message. 9М100 - too.
        Gorshkovo are "short" mine. 9M96MD do not go there.
        If this complex does work on Kuznetsovo, it will be wonderful! "Informed sources" promise that this may happen in the near future, but so far we have what we have. By the way, with Granite (who had not worked for a long time), Kuznetsov, according to the Montreux doctrine, is a battleship, and can pass through the Black Sea straits, on occasion. hi
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 1 May 2018 06: 45
          +3
          Quote: Alex777
          Kuznetsov, according to the Montreux doctrine, is a battleship, and can pass through the Black Sea straits, on occasion.

          laughing good ah well done?
      2. san4es
        san4es April 30 2018 18: 50
        +6
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        ... with a long or medium-range missile (9M96E, 9M96E2)

        hi ... add:
        At the MAKS-2017 international airshow in Zhukovsky, the Almaz-Antey aerospace defense company introduced the 9M96 anti-aircraft guided missile family S-350 Vityaz anti-aircraft missile system and the 3K96 Polyment-Redut (Redoubt) anti-aircraft missile system. The layout of the anti-aircraft guided missile 9M96E2. SAM 9M96E2 is part of the Triumph air defense system, is used as an active firearm ground-based air defense systems and ship-based air defense systems. 9M96E2 missiles designed to destroy modern air attack means - manned assets and unmanned high-precision weapons. CHARACTERISTICS:
        ■ Weight of the rocket kg .............................................................. 449;
        ■ Mass of the warhead of the rocket, kg .............................................. 24;
        ■ Missile size: - length, m ………………………………………… ..5,350; - diameter, m ………………………………………… 0,273; - wingspan, m ………………………………… ..0,676.
        ■ The affected area, km: - in range ....................................................................................................... 2,5-120 - in height .............................. -0,005 ■ Speed ​​of the target being hit, m / s ………………………… .30
        Source: http://nevskii-bastion.ru/9m96-maks-2017-1/
        SAM 9M96E is part of the Triumph air defense system, is used as an active firearm ground-based air defense systems and ship-based air defense systems. SAM 9M96E is designed to destroy modern air attack weapons - manned assets and unmanned high-precision weapons. CHARACTERISTICS:
        ■ Mass of the rocket, kg .......................................... 370;
        ■ Mass of the warhead of the rocket, kg .............................................. 24;
        ■ Rocket size: - length, m. | ............................................... 4,522; | - diameter, m ………………………………………… 0,273; - wingspan, m ………………………………… ..0,676.
        ■ The affected area, km: - in range ............................................................. 1,5-40, - in height .............................. 0,005-20;
        ■ The speed of the target, m / s ..................... 1 000
        Source: http://nevskii-bastion.ru/9m96-maks-2017-2/
        1. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher 1 May 2018 13: 01
          +3
          Quote: san4es
          At the MAKS-2017 international airshow in Zhukovsky, the Almaz-Antey aerospace defense company introduced a 9M96 family of anti-aircraft guided missiles

          So already about ten years they have been transporting to exhibitions, but as she did not fly, she does not fly.
    3. svp67
      svp67 April 30 2018 17: 42
      +6
      [/ Quote
      Quote: BZTM
      It is easier and cheaper to build a new house than to do in the old repair.

      Not a fact ... Do you think your statement concerns these "houses"?



      1. BZTM
        BZTM April 30 2018 17: 50
        +7
        good No i'm about it at home ...
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 30 2018 17: 55
          +5
          Quote: BZTM
          No,

          So I'm talking about the fact that some houses and EXCLUSIVE ships and the second time they can no longer be built. It is a pity that for today's Russia such an ship turns out to be an aircraft carrier ... without them it is difficult to solve the tasks of defending borders.
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            1. Leon68
              Leon68 April 30 2018 18: 28
              +4
              "... with such leaders as we have today and such a speed of degradation of science and production ..."
              Maybe you should lead the country? Then we will definitely start production of scooters instead of bicycles.
              1. Don
                Don April 30 2018 18: 39
                +12
                Quote: Leon68
                Maybe you should lead the country? Then we will definitely start production of scooters instead of bicycles

                Yesterday I found time and went with my family to the cosmonautics museum at VDNH. All that we are offered to be proud of was done under the hateful current communist regime clown-leaders. Of course it’s worth the layout of the “new” A-5 Hangar, which has never flown into space. Yes, and in fairness, this Angara was developed even under the same great Soviet Empire.
                So why do I need to love or respect the current government? For those more than 20 million citizens (according to official statistics, according to unofficial ones - 45 million) who live below the poverty line? All they really deserve is 9 grams of lead to the head!
                1. Leon68
                  Leon68 April 30 2018 18: 55
                  +4
                  Or maybe it's time to really look at what is happening in the world and Russia? The Soviet Empire has sunk into oblivion. It's time to put up with this. What happened in the next 10 years (including power) is a real disaster and a loss in the country's development for decades to come!
                2. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack April 30 2018 19: 01
                  +6
                  Quote: Donskoy
                  So why do I need to love or respect the current government? ... All they really deserve is 9 grams of lead in your head!

                  Listen, nobody forces you to ... love request
                  But why are you shouting so obsessively?
                  1. Xfgfq
                    Xfgfq April 30 2018 19: 58
                    +3
                    Do you all indulge in pictures? This is an indicator, just not at all having a mind negative
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack April 30 2018 20: 05
                      +9
                      Quote: Xfgfq
                      Do you all indulge in drawings?

                      Yeah ...

                      Coincidence? I do not think (s) laughing
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 April 30 2018 20: 13
                        +2
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Coincidence? I do not think (with

                        Lord, what’s the question. If it goes on "mowing" then everyone will be banned, and Don and Chapai, oh, sorry Xagfq
                3. hrych
                  hrych April 30 2018 19: 46
                  +8
                  Quote: Donskoy
                  All they really deserve is 9 grams of lead per head!

                  Is this a call for a violent overthrow of power and a change of order? Article 280 of the Criminal Code. Those. public calls for extremist activities. Congratulations, I read my tongue. As if the dogs of the regime did not weigh your head by 9 grams according to the laws of wartime wassat
                4. the most important
                  the most important April 30 2018 22: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: Donskoy
                  All they really deserve is 9 grams of lead per head!

                  That's why I respect you, it’s for proletarian openness and directness! But I never support calls of an illegal orientation ..
                5. Serg65
                  Serg65 1 May 2018 06: 49
                  +3
                  Quote: Donskoy
                  So why do I need to love or respect the current government?

                  what Why are you crying constantly? You from the Don, took a vinar, went to the Kremlin kaaak pulnuli
                  Quote: Donskoy
                  9 grams of lead to the head!

                  And business then!
                6. UAZ 452
                  UAZ 452 1 May 2018 08: 22
                  +1
                  So why do I need to love or respect the current government? For those more than 20 million citizens (according to official statistics, according to unofficial statistics - 45 million) who live below the poverty line?

                  Well, in fairness it is worth noting that when the country built what you admire at VDNH, below the poverty line, if we take according to the then (now we don’t take it) world standards, not 20, not 45 million, but the majority of the country's population lived. Or can you propose another version explaining the fact that in the 91st year, for the first time in world history, the destruction of the state system took place without the slightest real resistance from the supporters of the previous one? What barricades themselves did they defend "the communist regime that the leaders hate the current clowns"?
                  1. Dedall
                    Dedall 1 May 2018 21: 49
                    +2
                    Respected UAZ 452, in 1991, as a simple doctor, I flew 3 times to Tashkent from Rostov just on holidays, and now, on my pension and salary from 2 places of work, I can’t do it even once. And the country was not destroyed by ordinary people, but by corrupt politicians. They and the current stub of the former Empire will soon also fall apart into some Far Eastern protectorate of China, the Ural Republic, the Northern Union, the Volga Kaganate and so on ...
                    1. UAZ 452
                      UAZ 452 1 May 2018 22: 03
                      +2
                      Colleague, in the 80s I somehow did not notice that my 40 ruble scholarship allowed me to really live a month. With a salary of an orderly person, it was possible to survive with something 50 rubles, but only to survive. Doctors at that time also earned something about 150 rubles, not more. Few people had the idea to spend these pennies on flights "just like that." If you had a different situation, congratulations.
                      And when my grandfather was dying of gangrenous cholecystitis, and the doctors said that they had only penicillin from antibiotics, and all the relatives ran around the smallest regional center in search of drugs, it somehow didn’t set up the feeling that I was living in the best country in the world.
                      And the country was not destroyed by ordinary people, but by corrupt politicians.

                      So you acknowledge that there was no close democracy in that country? Otherwise, how would those who did not reflect the interests of the people get into power? In general, a people who do not consider themselves responsible for the actions of their rulers is called "hatskrayniki". And so it is written in the family to be victims. And absolutely fair.
                      1. Dedall
                        Dedall 1 May 2018 22: 37
                        +2
                        Democracy is in our country only at the level of the landing. This I mean, that the neighbor walked up to one o'clock at night - I filled his face. In another case, the car was ringing with an alarm from another neighbor, so I went out and punctured him. In all cases, it worked perfectly.
                        As for the possibility of influencing the government, in Soviet times, deputies of all levels lived on the ground. In our neighborhood, a deputy of the Supreme Council lived and hosted citizens at our school 2 times a week. And now, at the level of the City Duma, one cannot get to the deputy. I tried in our Novocherkassk to find out about the brakes with the "road map" for salaries, and even the contact details of our deputies could not.
              2. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx April 30 2018 18: 44
                +6
                Quote: Leon68
                Maybe you should lead the country? Then we will definitely start production of scooters instead of bicycles.

                But it will not be worse. With such an “indispensable Putin” and “handsome man and the luminosity of the Medvedev economy”, soon there will be nothing to build a bicycle from. Yes!!! stop A bicycle for Siberia, where the summer is 3 months, and the rest of the time is “not summer,” the bicycle is fellow And I ask, we don’t need to impose our opinion on us, if neither you nor anyone else can say why there has been no war in the country for 73 years, and the impression is that it ended yesterday?
                I don’t want to fill out the site with secondary topics, but I would show you sketches of the regional center and the future of the region, sitting with bottles on the benches ... But !!! There is a positive: the ex-governor decided to leave politics. And you wait. When Putin’s term ends, you’ll have to crawl on your knees so that he leads the state for another six years. And even then, when everything resolves by itself, it will leave the docks and “Kuzya”, and “Cousin Mom”, and “Cousin's Children” ... stop Yes, and the money will appear ... lol Chinese yuan ... laughing
                It is a pity only - to live in this wonderful time ... crying
                1. Leon68
                  Leon68 April 30 2018 22: 45
                  +4
                  "" ... why is there no war in the country for 73 years, and the impression is that it ended yesterday? .. "
                  I am wildly sorry, but what happened in our country in the 90s was a war (revolution), because due to those times, Russia lost more than 10 million people, a change of ownership took place, and the country in its development was discarded for decades.
                  1. UAZ 452
                    UAZ 452 1 May 2018 08: 29
                    +1
                    As far as I remember, supporters of the USSR, socialism did not come to war. So they counted defeat. Well, why cry now? And, by the way, the winners fulfilled most of their promises: dozens of varieties of sausages in stores, the number of cars on the streets is such that a pedestrian cannot pass. And the people take all this for granted, and continue to coddle and sigh about the greatness of the USSR. But here either-or. Want greatness? Tighten your belts, forget about your personal car, because the industry will rivet Kuzi sisterships with friends. Something like this.
                2. lopvlad
                  lopvlad 1 May 2018 12: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  why is there no war in the country for 73 years, and the impression is that it ended yesterday?


                  It ended yesterday in the 1999-2009 war in Chechnya. Before that, we lost the Cold War in 1992 as a result of the betrayal of the Soviet leadership.
                  Soviet authorities signed surrender to the West, began to pay indemnities and completely transferred control of the country's economy into the hands and control of the West.
                  We have not yet got rid of this control and the state’s economic policy is determined not by the Russian authorities, but by the Bank of Russia office, which already dictates to whom to appoint the ministers of economy and is subordinate only to the IMF, being the agents of their reforms (raising the retirement age, credit conditions, lobbying for privatization of state property and necessarily with access to this Western companies).
                  So the miracle in itself is that we did not fall into pieces and we are not shot in these pieces of land by military speakers who speak English without an accent.
            2. svp67
              svp67 April 30 2018 18: 35
              +5
              Quote: Donskoy
              What nonsense did you just write

              Dear, you simply do not have the patience and perseverance to read the comment to the end, so you don’t understand it ... I can only regret it.
              1. Don
                Don April 30 2018 18: 45
                +4
                Quote: svp67
                Quote: Donskoy
                What nonsense did you just write

                Dear, you simply do not have the patience and perseverance to read the comment to the end, so you don’t understand it ... I can only regret it.

                And I feel sorry for you. Unable to find any arguments, you issued a warning. I really feel sorry for you. The fish (current power) has rotted from head to toe winked
                1. svp67
                  svp67 April 30 2018 18: 54
                  +4
                  Quote: Donskoy
                  Unable to find any arguments, you issued a warning.

                  Do you really think so? I feel sorry for you. You violated the rules, and roughly. And now you are trying, "to portray a good face, with a bad game."
                  The fact that your comment is removed is only your fault and no one else. It’s a pity that you don’t understand this
                  Quote: Donskoy
                  The fish (current power) has rotted from head to toe
                  Judging by your misunderstanding, it’s even worse ... the legs have already grown in fish ...
          2. Xfgfq
            Xfgfq April 30 2018 19: 38
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            Here I am about the fact that some houses and EXCLUSIVE ships and the second time they can no longer be built

            Who said you can’t? You? Are you a specialist in the construction of aircraft-carrying cruisers, or so, if only to write when there is no other business?
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 30 2018 19: 47
              +2
              Quote: Xfgfq
              Who said you can’t?

              Dear, I bring once again my comment with comments ...
              So I'm talking about the fact that some houses and EXCLUSIVE ships and the second time they can no longer be built.
              Have you read WHERE about aircraft carriers? And here comes my SARCASM and SORRY
              It is a pity that for today's Russia such an ship turns out to be an aircraft carrier ... without them it is difficult to solve the tasks of defending borders.

              Quote: Xfgfq
              Are you a specialist in the construction of aircraft-carrying cruisers, or so, if only to write when there is no other business?

              No, I’m not a specialist in shipbuilding, and therefore I can simply SORRY that present-day Russia DOES NOT BUILD not only aircraft carriers, but also UDCs, cruisers and destroyers, being content with frigates and corvettes.
              prove me the opposite, show our NEW or NEW aircraft carrier under construction, UDC, cruiser ... And I will agree with you
              1. Xfgfq
                Xfgfq April 30 2018 19: 52
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                No, I’m not a specialist in shipbuilding, and therefore I can simply SORRY that present-day Russia DOES NOT BUILD not only aircraft carriers, but also UDC, cruisers and destroyers, being content with frigates and corvettes

                With the will and money, our country can build any object, including an aircraft carrier, not counting corvettes with frigates. The construction of a bridge to the Crimea is proof of this.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 April 30 2018 19: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: Xfgfq
                  With the will and money, our country can build

                  So answer WHAT WE DO NOT ENOUGH?
                  1. Xfgfq
                    Xfgfq April 30 2018 19: 56
                    +1
                    Total! But you have to choose request
                2. Tiksi-3
                  Tiksi-3 1 May 2018 09: 43
                  0
                  Quote: Xfgfq
                  With the will and money, our country can build any object, including an aircraft carrier, not counting corvettes with frigates. The construction of a bridge in Crimea is a confirmation of this

                  belay fool fool - with such comparisons you need "bucks"
    4. venik
      venik April 30 2018 21: 47
      0
      Quote: BZTM
      It is easier and cheaper to build a new house than to do in the old repair.

      ======
      Well, and this - "Watching what a house, and what a repair!
    5. vladfill
      vladfill April 30 2018 22: 13
      +1
      I wonder how much metal buyers will give for this pile of iron, if
      today 1 kg. scrap costs 10 rubles?
      1. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 1 May 2018 09: 44
        0
        Quote: vladfill
        today 1 kg. scrap costs 10 rubles?

        what nonsense? 1 kg -15 rub N Novgorod !!!!
        1. vladfill
          vladfill 1 May 2018 09: 51
          0
          And here at KavMinVody - 10 rubles, but copper - 370 carbovanets.
          Can we cooperate?
          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 1 May 2018 09: 55
            +1
            copper shine - 385
    6. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 1 May 2018 09: 20
      +1
      Quote: BZTM
      Simpler and cheaper

      silently read and not post nonsense !!
    7. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 1 May 2018 23: 05
      +1
      Quote: BZTM
      the ship will receive new short-range missile-artillery systems "Shell-M". According to Bursuk, new boilers and new systems will also be installed on the ship to ensure flights, in particular, landing, surveillance, and control systems. The fleet expects to receive an aircraft carrier in combat in 2021.

      As another source in the shipbuilding industry specified, from the take-off and landing equipment on the ship will be replaced aerofinishes, a beacon group and signaling equipment, and the entire communication system will be changed at Kuznetsovo.

      It is easier and cheaper to build a new house than to do in the old repair.

      Nonsense. There are things that will last for a couple of decades. Modern, usually more small-sized, and fits into the volume pretty well. As an aircraft carrier, this box is rather weak. Like a heavy cruiser, redundant. To do, if new, then completely different, classic. But this happiness will turn out not now. Poverty is not a vice, but it interferes .... A couple of dozen, plus two hundred for escort. Only then can we talk about parity. Think what you say? Until those days, brother.
  2. Storming the Washington
    Storming the Washington April 30 2018 17: 26
    +3
    large air defense large ship (Russian proverb)
    1. vladfill
      vladfill April 30 2018 18: 36
      +1
      To this, as it were, ship ... iron scrap takes 10 rubles a kilogram.
      1. venik
        venik April 30 2018 21: 50
        +2
        Quote: vladfill
        To this, as it were, ship ... iron scrap takes 10 rubles a kilogram.

        =================
        Well, what are you offering? On the "spoons and forks" for the "disadvantaged" saw?
        Something more specific can be heard ???
        1. vladfill
          vladfill 1 May 2018 10: 01
          0
          I suggest not spending OUR money with you on the resuscitation of a long-dead
          project. You have to be honest and principled Kuzya,
          Regrettably, the fossil is unique in the Soviet past. beautiful ....
      2. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 1 May 2018 09: 46
        +1
        Quote: vladfill
        To this, as it were, ship

        to this character, as it were, on the hill ... yes, from the foot, so that stupidity would not be posted
        Quote: vladfill
        iron scrap takes 10 rubles per kilogram.


        they even take you for a noob on earth - iron costs 15 rubles laughing lol
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          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 1 May 2018 14: 00
            0
            Quote: vladfill
            drooling, snot - erase ..

            you? Off of the EU?
    2. 22 dmdc
      22 dmdc 1 May 2018 08: 28
      0
      Back in 1980, at the Pacific Fleet they talked about TAKRs - "To a big ship - a big torpedo."
      1. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 1 May 2018 09: 47
        0
        Quote: 22 dmdc
        Back in 1980, they talked at the Pacific Fleet

        to whom? like you crucian? wassat forget about the torpedo, not her
        1. An60
          An60 1 May 2018 09: 57
          +1
          Since you have not seen a torpedo, greens, it does not mean that there is none.
  3. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber April 30 2018 17: 29
    +1
    Is it possible to finish the "redoubt" ?!
    At last!))
    1. next322
      next322 April 30 2018 17: 42
      +1
      so far only in the hope that until the age of 21 they will finish
    2. svp67
      svp67 April 30 2018 17: 46
      +2
      Quote: The Siberian Barber
      Is it possible to finish the "redoubt" ?!

      Well, by 2021, this will definitely happen
      1. Dead duck
        Dead duck April 30 2018 18: 19
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        Well, by 2021, this will definitely happen

        There will be no other way out ... and they will finish it., Like a mace.
        Although for the period that they saw, it was possible to make a new complex request
        1. Bad_santa
          Bad_santa April 30 2018 19: 32
          +2
          Are you sure that the mace was finished? Something has not been heard lately that it was used with at least 5 successful starts in a row.
          1. Dead duck
            Dead duck April 30 2018 19: 43
            +3
            Boats are designed for it.
            1. Bad_santa
              Bad_santa April 30 2018 19: 53
              +1
              Well, where are the stable starts? With this Mace, one problem was through every successful launch. Stability until she showed
              1. Dead duck
                Dead duck April 30 2018 20: 46
                +3
                Quote: Bad_Santa
                Well, where are the stable starts?

                1. Bad_santa
                  Bad_santa April 30 2018 21: 02
                  +1
                  If there were a series of stable launches, then this news would be trumpeted by all the Russian media. And more than one day they would procrastinate about it. And you know this very well. So throw away the pink glasses and cheers-patriotism and come true
                  1. Dead duck
                    Dead duck April 30 2018 23: 30
                    +3
                    Well, of course, everything is bad and we will all die!
                    1. Tiksi-3
                      Tiksi-3 1 May 2018 09: 50
                      0
                      Quote: Deadush
                      Well, of course, everything is bad and we will all die!

                      children's sarcasm and its silly statement in your post
                      1. Dead duck
                        Dead duck 1 May 2018 13: 11
                        +3
                        Do you think something clever is superimposed in yours? wassat
                  2. UAZ 452
                    UAZ 452 1 May 2018 08: 33
                    0
                    If it flies up after a time - okay. The main thing is that when the boat starts, it does not sink, like the Kursk Dagestan torpedo.
            2. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 1 May 2018 09: 49
              0
              Quote: Deadush
              Boats designed for it

              spit on the boats, they are empty - the mace does not fly as I would like!
          2. Hole puncher
            Hole puncher 1 May 2018 13: 04
            0
            Quote: Bad_Santa
            Are you sure that the mace was finished? Something has not been heard lately that it was used with at least 5 successful starts in a row.

            A mace from the category that you don’t really need to fly, the fact of availability is important, because no one in the world will check
        2. venik
          venik April 30 2018 21: 53
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          Quote: Deadush
          Although for the period that they saw, it was possible to make a new complex

          ========
          There, the problem was, as I understand it, in the imported element base (access to which was "covered" after the "sanctions"), and you should run your own (similar) one way or another - you still need time !!!
  4. Vard
    Vard April 30 2018 17: 33
    +2
    Interestingly, with the Americans, if an aircraft carrier cannot accept planes, then they drop the combat mission and save yourself as you can ... but what about us? In principle, as I understand it, our planes to release any time ...
  5. andron-30
    andron-30 April 30 2018 17: 45
    +1
    maybe the great cruiser can really write off that the right to keep afloat is a miracle, modern ships are more perfect, and why do we need airborne vessels, if there is an opportunity to launch a missile strike from anywhere in the world for any target, we are all under the gun.
    1. venik
      venik April 30 2018 21: 59
      +1
      Quote: andron-30
      maybe the great cruiser can really write off that the right to keep afloat is a miracle, modern ships are more perfect, and why do we need airborne vessels, if there is an opportunity to launch a missile strike from anywhere in the world for any target, we are all under the gun.

      ===========
      Sorry, of course, but your surname is not "Gorbachev" for an hour ??? As far as I remember, it is precisely with this “outstanding” political figure", on the" needles ", sawed everything that is possible! (True needles, in the country, for some reason (?) more did not (!)) .......
      1. UAZ 452
        UAZ 452 1 May 2018 08: 47
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        There was another figure who sawed the ships: Khrushchev his last name. Although he did a lot of idiotic things, the reorientation of the military budget to the development of nuclear missile weapons systems allowed the country to achieve parity with the geopolitical adversary, and at the same time let go of the belts of its own population, stretched to the spine.
  6. JD1979
    JD1979 April 30 2018 17: 49
    +3
    In short, they were able to scratch only the option package called "homeless set." By the time of the planned commissioning in 2021, Granites can simply be thrown away, because they will be useless, unless of course they radically modernize their electronics and GOS. And then again for 4 years on a joke to change strike weapons? New EW systems not? Antenna complexes with AFAR?
    1. Don
      Don April 30 2018 18: 04
      +2
      Quote: JD1979
      By the time of the planned commissioning in 2021, Granites can simply be thrown away, because they will be useless,

      they have long been gone on Kuznetsovo hi By designation and name, the aircraft carrier cruiser, in fact, has long been simply an average aircraft carrier
      1. JD1979
        JD1979 April 30 2018 19: 12
        +1
        Those. are these huge launching mines empty? and just take up space and overweight?
      2. UAZ 452
        UAZ 452 1 May 2018 08: 49
        0
        Seriously? And at the same time, huge volumes that could be used for hangars, tanks with fuel, arsenals are wasted in vain? For such wrecking, they are planted in peacetime, and put in a military wall.
      3. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 1 May 2018 09: 52
        +1
        Quote: Donskoy
        they have long been gone on Kuznetsovo

        they have been there forever and don’t post stupid things! have you personally seen empty mines? no? then off !!!
    2. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 1 May 2018 09: 52
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      Quote: JD1979
      Granites can simply be thrown away, because they will be useless

      wassat belay fool Well, if only as you yourself - then yes
  7. d1975
    d1975 April 30 2018 17: 52
    +2
    Quote: andron-30
    maybe the great cruiser can really write off that the right to keep afloat is a miracle, modern ships are more perfect, and why do we need airborne vessels, if there is an opportunity to launch a missile strike from anywhere in the world for any target, we are all under the gun.

    Are you not a relative of Khrushchev?
  8. d1975
    d1975 April 30 2018 17: 54
    +1
    Quote: d1975
    Quote: andron-30
    maybe the great cruiser can really write off that the right to keep afloat is a miracle, modern ships are more perfect, and why do we need airborne vessels, if there is an opportunity to launch a missile strike from anywhere in the world for any target, we are all under the gun.

    Are you not a relative of Khrushchev?

    What rockets, food you can eat with your hands, but nobody canceled the cutlery! hi
  9. dvina71
    dvina71 April 30 2018 17: 55
    +3
    And we brought a product 3s14 to Sedna for NAhimov .. The machine is at the entrance to the city)))
    1. Bad_santa
      Bad_santa April 30 2018 19: 33
      +1
      You give more coordinates if
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 April 30 2018 19: 58
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        Quote: Bad_Santa
        You give more coordinates if

        Are there plans to replace PU Granitov with USK secret?
  10. Tarasve
    Tarasve April 30 2018 17: 57
    +1
    As I wrote earlier, they will replace the air defense systems, specifically the lobed S-350, Poliment-Redut, and someone claimed that there are no places for this on Kuznetsovo. hi
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 1 May 2018 08: 50
      0
      No? They will find! The superstructure will be made on the flight deck.
  11. turbris
    turbris April 30 2018 18: 19
    +3
    Well, we still need this aircraft carrier cruiser, if only for the existence of marine deck aviation.
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 1 May 2018 08: 53
      0
      If you do not plan to build new aircraft carriers, why save naval aviation? If you plan - there is a "Thread" and a second training ground in Yeysk. And “Kuzya” ... Another 2-3 campaigns, similar to the extreme one in Syria, and naval aviation will definitely not remain.
  12. sabotage
    sabotage April 30 2018 19: 02
    +6
    Cool invented. Now the repair can be delayed indefinitely, as with the Admiral series, and in 2025 to return the fleet without air defense in general, or with metal cutters for the worst. The order is on their chest, a twist on their backs.
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 1 May 2018 09: 08
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      I think also: the extreme campaign to Syria showed that the presence of such an aircraft carrier in the country is extremely harmful to its image (terrible smoke from the chimney, non-combat losses of aircraft, orders of magnitude higher than those of other fleets), not to mention its prohibitive cost to the budget, danger to the crew and air wing pilots, and what can we say about its fundamental insignificance in the modern concept of the Navy, which is really not capable of carrying out expeditionary operations on remote theater of operations in the coming decades.
      But putting him on a joke, keeping a crew decomposing from idleness, spending money on maintaining a minimum BG is unprofitable and pointless. To write off? This is such a high start! It’s easier to put in for repair, to finance according to the residual principle (and at the same time the shipyard is supported, workers get paid). And so that they do not really repair it, returning to the agenda all the previously voiced problems - insert an unattainable (or difficult to fulfill) condition into the TOR. Polement-Redoubt put, and make sure that its combat use does not interfere with the flights of their aircraft, then you can dismantle Granites, something else. The repair will last for a decade, and then either the donkey will die or something else will happen. And all this time Russia has an aircraft carrier, but it costs almost nothing, planes do not fight on it, the propulsion system does not stall at sea, demanding that the proud ship be returned to the port in tow. The ingenious decision! And this is without any irony.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 09: 13
        +3
        Quote: UAZ 452
        The ingenious decision!

        Truly.
        Here is such geniy wanders nearby. Why am I - is he, by chance, not a relative of you? wink
        1. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 1 May 2018 11: 49
          0
          But essentially there is something to argue?
          1. Leon68
            Leon68 1 May 2018 13: 46
            +1
            What are you, UAZ 452, an outstanding genius of thought, still not in the General Staff. There, personally for you, the post of Deputy Gerasimov for the Navy is kept vacant. Urgently contact Shoigu !!!
            1. UAZ 452
              UAZ 452 1 May 2018 20: 24
              0
              I will not go to Shoigu. Here I would go to Serdyukov. But they did not allow Anatoly Eduardovich to rake the Augean stables, which is a pity.
          2. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 14: 27
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            Quote: UAZ 452
            But essentially there is something to argue?

            What's the point? To rake that mountain, ahem, the good that you twisted there? I'm not a scavenger, sorry request
            1. UAZ 452
              UAZ 452 1 May 2018 20: 20
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              So - nothing.
  13. TOR2
    TOR2 April 30 2018 19: 22
    +1
    Kuzya was and remains an experimental laboratory. Although the trial operation lasted for decades, but what to do such a time fell to the lot of “Kuzi”.
  14. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack April 30 2018 20: 15
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    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Coincidence? I do not think (with

    Lord, what’s the question. If it goes on "mowing" then everyone will be banned, and Don and Chapai, oh, sorry Xagfq

    Sergey, the question is not to "ban." It’s just that this person announced a vendetta to me, well, and I have to ... correspond repeat
    And now suddenly there were two of them belay
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 30 2018 20: 22
      0
      Quote: Golovan Jack
      This person just announced a vendetta to me

      Well, blood feud is a holy thing ... especially on the Internet. "Blood, urine, saliva" - everything flows in streams. Like children are straight.
      Quote: Golovan Jack
      And now suddenly there were two of them

      Wait, they also call the "holy spirit".
      All these vendettas live as long as they are interesting ...
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack April 30 2018 20: 43
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        Quote: svp67
        How are the kids straight

        This is exactly laughing
        Quote: svp67
        Wait, they will also call the "holy spirit"

        Disturbance of personality? It's funny, I have not seen this yet request
  15. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin April 30 2018 20: 34
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    Are you a specialist in the construction of aircraft-carrying cruisers, or so, if only to write when there is no other business?

    No, I’m not a specialist in shipbuilding, and therefore I can simply SORRY that present-day Russia DOES NOT BUILD not only aircraft carriers, but also UDCs, cruisers and destroyers, being content with frigates and corvettes.
    prove me the opposite, show our NEW or NEW aircraft carrier under construction, UDC, cruiser ... And I will agree with you

    To get started, ask about the price of the question. what is now how much. Aircraft carrier, cruiser, UDC and other buoyancy.
    Then guess who they will take this money from for the construction of these aircraft carrier cruisers.
    And do not build silly illusions that this construction will not affect you personally.
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 1 May 2018 09: 16
      +1
      And we have all the patriots, sovereigns. But really put such a couch patriot in front of a choice: the greatness of the country (in the RI version: “without the permission of the Russian tsar, no guns will fire in Europe” or the USSR: “comrades Kosygin, Suslov ... and other official officials met representatives of fraternal communist parties at the airport person ") or your own car? Where the majority of patriotism disappears!
  16. Old26
    Old26 April 30 2018 21: 05
    +2
    Quote: Donskoy
    Hangar A-5, which never flew into space.

    I flew. Once. 23

    Quote: Donskoy
    Yes, and in fairness, this Angara was developed even under the same great Soviet Empire.

    No. The work was started in 1996-1998.
  17. Compasure
    Compasure April 30 2018 23: 13
    +1
    Quote: Donskoy
    The fish (current power) has rotted from head to toe winked

    I don’t remember something when and where the authorities were praised; there are always those who are dissatisfied. And as a rule, these are those who do not want to do a damn thing, but only aching, and with grief look at the bottom of the bottle !!!
  18. Compasure
    Compasure April 30 2018 23: 15
    +2
    Quote: Bad_Santa
    Are you sure that the mace was finished? Something has not been heard lately that it was used with at least 5 successful starts in a row.

    And you, my friend, are either mistaken or a provocateur
    easy google search we find that the mace has 28 starts, of which 21 are successful

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D1%83%D0%BB%
    D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0_(%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82
    % D0% B0)
  19. Meliodous
    Meliodous 1 May 2018 11: 13
    +2
    In general, it turns out interesting: the dagger is apparently exchanged for Polement-Redoubt, which doesn’t work (that is, they hope that they will not bring it to mind today or tomorrow), they will change the dirk to Pantsir-M (nothing is known about its performance either, because it’s not standing on any warship), while the Granite mines do not want to be changed to UKKS, although this is perhaps the only thing that can be done with them (just cutting them out and thereby expanding the hangar will not work, because -for this you will have to redraw a bunch of internal rooms).
    And in the end, we get a very strange modernization, which is also unknown when: 2021 is nothing more than a beautiful fairy tale, the time frame for us according to Nakhimov is constantly being rolled back, although where it stands and there is a place for such a ship, the capacities of the plant correspond . Kuzya would have been driven there, but the trouble is, the next in line Peter, Kuzya, in this situation, simply will not survive. And it is not clear what will happen to his boilers. How are they going to change, will open the deck in a floating dock?