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Blackbird: one of the most unique aircraft in the world

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The mid-twentieth century was the time of the emergence of breakthrough aircraft, the experience of the creation and operation of which directly influenced modern aviation industry. One of the most technically complex aircraft of the time was the American intelligence officer Lockheed SR-71 "Blackbird".


In 1956, the new U-2 reconnaissance aircraft entered service with the US Air Force. His creation was engaged in a secret division of the company Lockheed. The altitude of 20 km made the aircraft unreachable for the air defense of that time. But the CIA, in whose interests U-2 flew over enemy territory, was well aware that the sky of the Soviet Union would not be “open” forever. 1 May 1960, an American reconnaissance aircraft of this type was shot down over Sverdlovsk. Then the American leadership decided to stop U-2 flying over the territory of the USSR.

However, already at that time in America, work began on a more advanced reconnaissance aircraft project. The new machine, which was later called the Lockheed SR-71, was a real technical breakthrough.

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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 29 2018 19: 31
    +14
    Blackbird: one of the most unique aircraft in the world
    And VERY, VERY outwardly attractive, he is like from the future.
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin April 29 2018 20: 09
      +11
      Quote: svp67
      Blackbird: one of the most unique aircraft in the world
      And VERY, VERY outwardly attractive, he is like from the future.

      When you look at it closely, it looks even more impressive than in the video and in the photo. This is the most interesting plane of those that I have ever seen.
      And further. In the photo he looks like a bulky aircraft. But alive near he looks very compact.
    2. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 29 2018 21: 09
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      he is from the future

      because the EPR reduction using the Ufimtsev curves was used
      they were made entirely from Soviet titanium lol
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather April 30 2018 03: 49
        +3
        what can I say, the plane is amazing of course, they say, ours and access to the "body" were received sometime after the crash, although the Americans, in their usual manner, say that there wasn’t such a thing, secret ... magic ...
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 30 2018 10: 43
          0
          still does not look like a Su-27
      2. SETTGF
        SETTGF 7 May 2018 02: 53
        +2
        YELLOWSTONE! Fairy tales! At that time, titanium was not supplied from the USSR to NATO countries, since it was a strategic material!
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE 7 May 2018 08: 49
          +1
          Quote: SETTGF
          Fairy tales!

          google laughing
        2. staviator
          staviator 27 May 2018 18: 13
          0
          Until the late 70s, imports of titanium sponges from the USSR amounted to 8-10%, until they began to build submarines from titanium yes
          1. Bratkov Oleg
            Bratkov Oleg 27 May 2018 20: 06
            +2
            Aircraft were built from titanium, purchased in the USSR in a roundabout way, through front companies and third countries.
    3. Volodya Nigmetov
      Volodya Nigmetov 30 May 2018 12: 59
      0
      It seems to me that, of course, it doesn’t seem like a specialist from the past even to a specialist, despite all the advantages and jokes such as a pilot, he sits for several hours after the flight, waits until the device cools down or detaches the chassis. It is in modern conditions and the presence of drone and satellites.
      1. AIR
        AIR 13 June 2018 21: 08
        0
        You're wrong. The 71st pilot sat for several hours before departure, in an oxygen chamber. Thus, it was necessary to displace nitrogen from the blood, which, in case of depressurization, promotes boiling of blood in the stratosphere. Therefore, the pilots of the SR-71 were equated with astronauts. And after planting, no temperature cooling occurred. This is fiction. But the car is still unique and outstanding! These are human achievements in aviation!
        1. Volodya Nigmetov
          Volodya Nigmetov 18 June 2018 12: 09
          0
          Maybe so I wrote in advance - not special Everything that I know about heating in particular - from the Internet press of memoirs books Very strong heating of the case with such swings is inevitable, but let it be covered with hoarfrost after landing. Convince the interlocutor and learn the truth completely different things Hitler Napoleon Lenin and so on and so on had the amazing ability to persuade People believed in millions, they went, they died for their ideas, and as history showed, there was nothing to do with it. Therefore, I am not inclined to persuade you. Cold and cold. Your holy right to have your own point of view. Good luck in your discussions. Unique car. I agree and will take its place in the history of aviation
          along with other breakthrough technologies
      2. Warrior2015
        Warrior2015 13 July 2018 01: 25
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        Quote: Volodya Nigmetov
        Despite all the advantages and jokes such as a pilot, he sits for several hours after the flight and waits until the device cools down or the chassis comes off.

        That is why they were put on conservation! But as an example of aircraft construction - just a “machine beyond the limits”, their pilot essentially turned into an astronaut ...
  2. beeper
    beeper April 29 2018 20: 17
    +12
    I first saw a photo of this beautiful aircraft in the late 70s, either in our Foreign Military Review, or in the German Flyug Review (in a German magazine it was written about in great detail, up to the mention, which then struck me, of a constant flow of fuel from tanks and 8 (?) centimeter elongation of the fuselage when flying on 3 Machs ...).
    Since then, I have been very interested in this aircraft and any information related to it. smile , although I haven’t watched much for a long time ...
    Many, many years later, I read about the Blackbird a very informative and well-illustrated article in the journal Aviation and Time, which, along with the YouTube video, finally helped me to compose a holistic picture of the history of creation, production and operation SR-71, the evolution of its design and aerodynamics ...
    Until now, as an engineer and an ex-aircraft modelist, he is in love with these two, so different from each other, masterpieces of a super-plane: SR-71 and MiG-25, American "Drozd" and his Soviet "Beagle" yes
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin April 29 2018 20: 52
      +10
      Quote: pishchak
      in love with these two, so different from each other, masterpiece super-aircraft: SR-71 and MiG-25

      From memory, on 3 Machs the SR-71 is extended by 60 cm.
      The MiG-25 near looks clumsy and bulky. It’s even amazing how this plane, “planed with an ax and without a single nail” had speed and ceiling close to the speed and ceiling of this fantastic aircraft from the future. Moreover, with a much lower cost of production and operation
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE April 29 2018 20: 58
        +8
        the ceiling is higher, the speed is slightly less, it’s even more interesting to compare the number of released ones and take into account the possibility of conducting an air battle
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin April 30 2018 10: 47
          +4
          Quote: YELLOWSTONE
          the ceiling is higher, the speed is slightly less, it’s even more interesting to compare the number of released ones and take into account the possibility of conducting an air battle

          I do not agree. The MiG-25 ceiling is slightly lower. Especially a fighter. The permitted speed of the MiG-25 is significantly lower, but actually recorded above the Sinai was above 3500 km / h, at the level of the record Thrush.
          Our test pilot was reproached for speeding, to which he replied that when rockets are launched at you and this speed of the aircraft seems small.
          1. YELLOWSTONE
            YELLOWSTONE April 30 2018 10: 58
            +1
            MiG-25 dynamic ceiling is exactly higher
            another comment about SR-71 just added below
            1. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 2 May 2018 20: 50
              +2
              Quote: YELLOWSTONE
              MiG-25 dynamic ceiling is exactly higher
              another comment about SR-71 just added below

              A dynamic ceiling is about nothing. Of practical interest is only a practical ceiling. And not the one on which only a test pilot can pilot, but the ceiling, accessible to combatant pilot.
              1. YELLOWSTONE
                YELLOWSTONE 3 May 2018 09: 29
                +2
                Well then, the dynamic ceiling is of dynamic interest, and the practical only practice is not for battle yes
                1. Captain Pushkin
                  Captain Pushkin 4 May 2018 09: 30
                  +2
                  Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                  Well then, the dynamic ceiling is of dynamic interest, and the practical only practice is not for battle yes

                  Dynamic ceiling - the maximum height that the aircraft can reach for a short time. But horizontal flight on a dynamic ceiling is impossible and the aircraft is practically uncontrollable. Only test pilots climb on it and then rarely and only after careful preparation.
                  A practical ceiling is the maximum height at which horizontal flight of a particular type of aircraft is possible. moreover, for test pilots and combat pilots, it can differ by several kilometers.
                  The practical ceiling used to be used for reconnaissance flights or for evading combat. Maneuverable combat on the practical ceiling is impossible. As well as vigorous maneuvering.
                  1. YELLOWSTONE
                    YELLOWSTONE 4 May 2018 09: 33
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                    this is a static ceiling
                    vigorously maneuver the SR-71 cannot
          2. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 1 May 2018 12: 13
            +1
            That MiG flight of the 25th prevented the development of war.
        2. Bratkov Oleg
          Bratkov Oleg 27 May 2018 20: 09
          +1
          The ceiling is higher and the speed is greater. The Mig-25 had a drawback, at high speeds it scoured in height, up to 100 meters. This would not hurt to catch up and shoot down the “Drozd”, however, under the terms of the FAI, the Mig-25 speed record could not be fixed, because of this “yaw”.
          1. AIR
            AIR 13 June 2018 21: 23
            0
            Amazing Where did you get such yaw data ??? The first time I hear ... This was not.
        3. Topgun
          Topgun 6 June 2018 08: 29
          0
          all the outstanding numbers of moment 25 are shown WITHOUT the missiles that it should carry on the EXTERNAL suspension, what are the characteristics of at least 2 medium-range air-to-air missiles (at least for combat sorties), I am silent that his main weapon is long-range missiles that are respectively larger and heavier. ..
          but the blackbird numbers are workers
          PS: I have nothing against the moment 25, a unique machine with a purely “Russian” approach (like t 34 or Kalash) is cheap but cheerful and efficient, but still you need to look at things and numbers really ...
        4. AIR
          AIR 13 June 2018 21: 21
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          This plane did not conduct air combat. This is a scout. Speed ​​data is excellent, but maneuverability left much to be desired. Yes, and they were released only about 25 pieces.
      2. beeper
        beeper April 30 2018 01: 55
        +5
        Thank you, dear Captain Pushkin, for clarifying the lengthening! I was afraid to breach from memory, but when reading a German aviation magazine, the very fact of such a large deformation without destruction and loss of control struck me — it was after that that I became more seriously interested in supersonic aircraft (I talked quite a lot with familiar aviation specialists and books on design, construction, operation, and read smile ) and much more that I learned about them ... although this later didn’t come in handy for me, except that I still apply aviation approaches in the specialized design in my specialty winked .
        According to the final result and the ways in which this was achieved, i.e. criterion of cost / effectiveness, domestic, elegantly "chopped with an ax", "side-by-side" MiG-25, from an engineering point of view, is masterpiece no less than the "futurological" SR-71 yes !
        Why be surprised at the outstanding qualities of our MiG, its wings grow from where it needs smile , all with him, handsome! And as our aircraft engine drivers said: with a good engine (as they say now, an aircraft engine) and the gates will fly! And then there is such an aerodynamically verified wing profile ...
        In the early 70s, a familiar Volzhan spoke about the accident in their area of ​​some secret ultra-high-speed jet fighter, which was made "entirely from stainless steel", then they did not believe him, they said that this could not be, they say, all steel planes do not fly .. . It turned out true!
        hi
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 30 2018 10: 50
          +4
          only how in the future to know what
          By accident, the SR-71 almost surpassed the F-104 of the same company and the shuttles, 6 of 15 A-12 and 12 of 32 (23) SR-71 were lost, while the surviving A-12 were converted to SR-71, titanium supplies from the USSR were and are not due to the fact that some special raw materials, due to supersonic sound, the failure of one of the two SR-71 engines led to a crash, a couple of times the Americans were lucky when both refused at the same time, not in vain did the astronaut's wings give more on a primitive X-15 which also happened to start spinning uncontrollably
          1. Cellulitis
            Cellulitis 2 May 2018 12: 34
            +1
            This machine in itself is unique and experimental - because of the crash, it is rather the norm of things! You need to be honest and objective for yourself - this is a wonderful machine of the future, on which such units and assemblies have been tested that will not soon go into series, in fact, I heard the same words from one of the scientists of the old school Kurchatov. Yes, and in my hometown of Novosibirsk I saw a couple of such airplanes calling at Chkalovsky that I hadn’t even heard of, huge, more like spaceships)) so this is progress that, as you know, cannot be stopped)))
            1. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE 2 May 2018 18: 34
              +1
              it is necessary to fight with him and such progress in order to deliver engines so wide for such speed lol
      3. SETTGF
        SETTGF 7 May 2018 03: 12
        +1
        The MiG-25 is made entirely of steel compared to the SR-71 ... and no worse. And their speed is approximately equal. MiG-25 is very beautiful in its own way. Is it in your brain an associative perception of everything Soviet, probably ?!
        1. G.K
          G.K 8 May 2018 01: 00
          +1
          It is worth mentioning one limitation for the MiG-25, it could withstand maximum speed for no more than 15 minutes. Then overheating and irreversible deformation of the airframe began. The SR-71 had no such limitation.
          1. YELLOWSTONE
            YELLOWSTONE 8 May 2018 12: 29
            0
            this was enough to evade or intercept, the SR-71 had the limitation of being only a scout
          2. 9lvariag
            9lvariag 30 May 2018 23: 16
            +1
            G.K., another victim of sovr. educational methods ?!
            It’s immediately obvious that the gaps in the logic of thinking, instilled over the years in the Enlightened Western world.
            By the way: all of them had one operational aircraft of the Archangel program; there were many restrictions that the aircraft did not have under their belly.
            1. You shove an owl, a world globe, when you compare the MiG-25P fighter (a later modification of the MiG-25) with the later SR-71A. Modifications A-12 should be compared (except for the "Titanium Goose"). And compare with each other E-155R4B and SR-71A. Comparison of the MiG-25P interceptor with two huge URVV-DD R-40, only possible with Louckhid M / MD-21. am
            2. There is no point in comparing the MiG-25R airplane (!) And the SR-71A UAV, which is limitedly piloted by a pilot. laughing "Blackbird" drill pilot 4th SRW, piloted only 25-35% of the flight time. The rest of the time it was piloted by an autopilot according to sensors and an astrogation navigation system and partially ANN, data from a stitched map and beacons.
            3. You are making an elementary mistake not of a combatant: by comparing the record pre-surge flight speed of 3540km / h set by the USAF, only once in 1976! This speed was developed on a measured base of 15 \ 25 miles. Those. the plane flew at this speed 22,5 / 37,5 km. - after all. We carry out an elementary calculation from the course of arithmetic for the 3rd class: i.e. the plane flew on opr. level, at max. afterburner SPVRD from 4 to 38 seconds. and no more. The average circular speed of the records was much more modest, no higher than 2600 km \ h. And the maximum cruiser limited by the hypersonic surging of the remote control (at speeds higher than 3,5M), overload in 2G, heating the glider and edges, the consumption of JP-7, was really 3200 km / h. But this is more likely on a mission with a small circle of flight.
            3. The planes of the Archangel program themselves are the most capricious planes of the US Air Force.
            1. Topgun
              Topgun 6 June 2018 08: 32
              0
              what speed did moment 25 develop with missiles?
              1. AIR
                AIR 13 June 2018 21: 35
                0
                2,83 M is the combat limit of the MiG-25 PD
          3. AIR
            AIR 13 June 2018 21: 31
            0
            There was no such restriction on the MiG-25. There was a limitation on the engine’s operating time in full afterburner - 15 minutes at supersonic. Next, it was necessary to cool the engine in partial or minimum afterburner operation of the engine for 1-2 minutes, and you can again display the full boost.
    2. SETTGF
      SETTGF 7 May 2018 03: 23
      0
      Respected! The word "masterpiece" in the Russian language does not exist, since the adverb cannot be formed from a noun masterpiece, and the word masterpiece in the Russian language does not. Write wisely - without "show off"!
  3. kig
    kig April 30 2018 10: 54
    +5
    I had the pleasure of seeing this airplane at the Seattle Air Museum. a strong impression.
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 30 2018 11: 05
      +3
      "astronauts" flying on this "starship" do not share the pleasure, skunk Clarence Johnson put a pig for them again, see the comment about the accident rate above
      and the American combat pilots F-15 feel extremely uncomfortable next to the MiG-25 yes
      1. clidon
        clidon April 30 2018 12: 32
        +1
        And next to what do American pilots feel comfortable?
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre April 30 2018 22: 27
          +8
          And next to what do American pilots feel comfortable?
          Close to a ginch tit, hamburger and home bar.
          1. G A_2
            G A_2 27 May 2018 00: 08
            +3
            Quote: abrakadabre
            And next to what do American pilots feel comfortable?
            Close to a ginch tit, hamburger and home bar.

            Like all pilots of any country
      2. kig
        kig April 30 2018 12: 34
        0
        well so I looked from the side No.
  4. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin April 30 2018 10: 54
    +4
    Quote: pishchak
    "downcast" MiG-25, from an engineering point of view, is masterpiece no less than the "futurological" SR-71

    Compare the MiG-25 and the earlier American RA-5 Vigilant. Wonder how they look alike. Unless Vigilant single-killer. (although the designers originally planned it with a two-keel).
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 30 2018 11: 00
      +1
      unless the A-5 is more like the F-14, with an eye on the MiG-25, the Americans made the F-15
    2. beeper
      beeper April 30 2018 12: 48
      +4
      Dear Captain Pushkin, I have been fascinated with the history of world aviation since childhood and still have not lost this interest, therefore the story of the creation of a domestic “response” to stratospheric American intelligence officers (in particular, how and why aircraft designers came to a double keel on the “twenty five” or increased keel and the ventral forkil on the MiG-21 and MiG-23) I know pretty well ...
      As well as professionally, I know the path that goes along (sometimes changing beyond recognition yes !) the initial technical "idea" before it was embodied in metal, and then before mass production, how and how the machine designer thinks, where and how bizarrely he draws his ideas about real and imaginary "prototypes" ... and as it happens that later you learn about something similar, at the same time created in a completely different place on the Earth, as if the same thoughts were in different heads at huge earth distances from each other smile !
      I’ll only add that in my lasting “air love”, priority is given to our super-fast soldier airplane, and not to the whimsical overseas sissy request smile
      hi
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 2 May 2018 21: 06
        +1
        Quote: pishchak
        priority of our super-fast soldier aircraft, and not the whimsical overseas sissy

        Drozd has rich combat practice. MiG-25 machine is also far from ordinary and not cheap. More adapted to the MiG-31 drill service. But it is not at all simple both in production and in operation and in piloting.
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE 3 May 2018 09: 31
          +2
          so rich that the USSR and the USA agreed to fly Egypt in a day so that it would not inadvertently meet with the MiG-25 in the air
          1. G A_2
            G A_2 27 May 2018 00: 15
            0
            Quote: YELLOWSTONE
            so rich that the USSR and the USA agreed to fly Egypt in a day so that it would not inadvertently meet with the MiG-25 in the air

            Come on. All the steepness of the MiG25 in speed and everything It was created only to stop the flights of the SR71
            1. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE 27 May 2018 00: 37
              +1
              what else do you know about him? so they flew there every other day lol read about XB-70 when? how many and whom did he bring down? how was it used for bombing? What did the Americans think about his maneuverability when they made their F-15 with an eye on him?
  5. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine April 30 2018 17: 11
    +3
    Beautiful bird .... +++++++++++++++++++++++
    Well, the performance characteristics for those years are amazing ...
    I remember at the Ural Military District Military District in the 80s that every Tuesday and Friday the BG was announced in connection with their flight in the north ...
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine April 30 2018 17: 18
      +1
      By the way ... Dear colleagues, remind me, were there SU-23 interceptors or not? Sclerosis-Voivode patrols around its possessions ...
      Like 2 dvigla and 1 keel, and could almost enter the turbine with its 1.90 ...
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 1 May 2018 12: 19
        0
        There is an excellent site CORNER OF SKY, there is everything-everything-all about do-it-yourself.
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 2 May 2018 20: 59
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        Quote: Ace Tambourine
        By the way ... Dear colleagues, remind me, were there SU-23 interceptors or not? Sclerosis-Voivode patrols around its possessions ...
        Like 2 dvigla and 1 keel, and could almost enter the turbine with its 1.90 ...

        Specialized interceptors of the Su brand are Su-9, Su-11 are single-engine, and Su-15 are twin-engine. All with a delta wing. Flew off their own for a long time.
        1. Ace Tambourine
          Ace Tambourine 27 May 2018 20: 22
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          I beg your pardon ... it was all a MiG ...
  6. striz56
    striz56 April 30 2018 21: 00
    +11
    Colleagues of old-timers You do not accidentally remember why the Blackbird project was closed. Let me just recall a small event that closed the beauty of Amer’s beauty and pride of the American aircraft industry, armed to the teeth with movie cameras and other spy equipment. He was just meanly completely unreasonably and not professionally caught by the MiG-25 with missiles on suspensions, and dangerously close to the US Air Force's peaceful aircraft at dangerously close distances. Then vilely went into the gap. After that, the handsome man took a place in the museum. 3.5 Mach 20 km. with full armament, I’m not taking myself
    1. kig
      kig 1 May 2018 02: 20
      +6
      That is, Drozd was scared to death and he flew away? I’m afraid that the reason is more prosaic - the era of reconnaissance satellites has come, which could look anywhere without fear of being shot down.
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE 1 May 2018 02: 29
        0
        the satellites do not cover everything, one flew down
        1. Warrior2015
          Warrior2015 13 July 2018 01: 30
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          Quote: YELLOWSTONE
          the satellites do not cover everything, one flew down

          I would like something more reinforced for your statement that supposedly “Blackbird” was shot down by someone. I think that if this happened, it would become known, especially after decades. Most likely this legend ...
      2. kig
        kig 2 May 2018 02: 24
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        Quote: YELLOWSTONE
        flew down shot down one

        Where when? There is not a word in the press of military losses. It is clear that the press does not need to know about this, so this fact is even more interesting. Link if possible?
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE 2 May 2018 07: 28
          +1
          In 1985 or 1987 near Severomorsk, in the press they also try not to write about the downed F-15s.
          1. kig
            kig 2 May 2018 11: 55
            0
            These are legends not supported by anything.
            1. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE 2 May 2018 18: 35
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              F-15 is also a three-swing "invulnerable" aircraft? lol
              1. kig
                kig 3 May 2018 09: 37
                0
                What does the F15 have to do with the SR-71?
                1. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE 3 May 2018 09: 47
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                  despite the fact that the same "legends" as about the F-15, Americans, etc. are very infantile, give them Superman
                  every departure of SR-71 in the north was intercepted, the Kuril Islands did not have airfields, but there they were punished
                  1. kig
                    kig 3 May 2018 11: 56
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                    https://topwar.ru/37299-istoriya-aviacii-kak-mig-
                    31-zakryl-sovetskoe-nebo-amerikanskomu-strategich
                    eskomu-razvedchiku-sr-71.html

                    Even if the supersonic SR-71 Blackbird strategic reconnaissance aircraft were never shot down during the entire period of being in service with the US Air Force, they ran into an adversary who could do this - MiG-31
                    1. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 3 May 2018 22: 41
                      +1
                      Quote: kig
                      Even

                      his MiG-25 calmly intercepted, which was made for the XB-70, there were no interceptions of the MiG-25 with the F-14
                      1. kig
                        kig 4 May 2018 01: 42
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                        I do not argue with that. It was a matter of combat losses, and you hinted that something like this was near Severomorsk, and they even wrote about it here. So I gave a link where it was allegedly written about this - there is no such mention anywhere. And why on earth should they be knocked down if they did not violate the state border, judge for yourself?

                        As for the losses of the F-15, which supposedly are hiding, you are also wrong - there is info about it, for example, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_F-15_losses
                    2. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 4 May 2018 03: 32
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                      nowhere in that article by reference, he violated and shot down
                      this link immediately says "none have been lost in air-to-air combat" which is not true
                      1. kig
                        kig 4 May 2018 05: 08
                        0
                        Great, where's the evidence?
                      2. kig
                        kig 4 May 2018 05: 28
                        +2
                        Speak not true? Great, I'm only FOR, but where is the evidence? The wreckage, the number plate ... how the war was started. Iraqi pilots say they shot down several Israeli 15s. Syrian aces say the same thing about the events of 1981 in Lebanon. You say that somewhere around the 71st violated the border and was shot down. Let's say it was a big secret, which at that time was kept silent by both us and partners. But many years have passed since then, the facts would certainly have surfaced, especially since now there seems to be nothing to be shy about. Quite the contrary. Material evidence is not enough, and their words against ours ... verbal "cheers" are not quoted.
                    3. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 4 May 2018 09: 24
                      0
                      evidence is needed that a miracle airplane from the FUTURE in the past crashed even when one of its engines failed?
                      from the recent F-16 did this require?
                      1. kig
                        kig 4 May 2018 09: 42
                        +2
                        As I understand it, you have no evidence that the 71st was shot at least once. Yes, and from where? We finish the bickering.
                    4. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 4 May 2018 09: 53
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                      so I understand that you believe in this, as well as in the same with the F-15, all the same, you don’t want to, or are not ready yet lol Now the evidence is the decay of the target on the radar screen, there were fragments and ejection seats, the Israelis in the case of him unprovenly said that the pilot simply accidentally ejected
                      about the failure of one of the engines of the wonderful SR-71, so what will be your bickering? laughing
                      1. kig
                        kig 7 May 2018 09: 26
                        0
                        The fact that the accident rate in 71 was above average they themselves do not hide. However, you hinted at a battle loss, about the 71th shot down somewhere in the Severomorsk region. So I'm interested in the details. And everyone will be interested, because it’s not an ordinary case.
                    5. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 7 May 2018 10: 08
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                      It was also about the air losses of the F-15, from which immediately the number plates were required yes
                      accident due to which, due to engines, on SR-71 there were also many deals laughing
                      1. YELLOWSTONE
                        YELLOWSTONE 7 May 2018 10: 24
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                        the usual violation of the SR-71 border and the downing from the MiG-25 on duty from 1985 to 1987 already with humpback was therefore even more hushed up, like the whole 1983-1984 war in Lebanon where the main losses of the F-15 from the MiG-23ML were
                      2. kig
                        kig 7 May 2018 10: 42
                        0
                        Here are your words about the SR-71:
                        satellites do not cover everything, flew down shot down one
                        I am: Where when?
                        Are you: In 1985 or 1987 at Severomorsk

                        So I ask you to clarify this point, and you strive about the engine.

                        And as for the F-15s, which were allegedly shot down in air battles, I do not mind reading what it was like. But now, in the age of the Internet and a huge amount of seemingly accessible information (it would seem - you can find what you want), it is simply impossible to prove anything with words. Well, since there is no physical evidence, both sides have the opportunity to assert each of its own. If you gave a link telling about aerial combat from the words of its participant, then I would love to read. Just please, not in Hebrew or Arabic. So far I have found only this: http://veteransyria.milportal.ru/mig-23-na-blizhn
                        em-vostoke-vojna-v-livane /, but this description of events almost wanders from site to site. So alas, it’s hard to do without an engine number love
                    6. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 7 May 2018 12: 05
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                      it was just clarified about the plane from the FUTURE that if there is a plane with an almost equal speed to it, which has missiles with much greater speed, then there is no problem with that. an attempt to again avoid discussion with words about the consequences of refusing the PAST of such a future from at least one of its engines lol
                      and what about the F-15, so following your next link with the words about 1983-84 there is only one paragraph, and so sparingly that you didn’t even bother to draw up a general balance of losses, which, unlike the balance sheet shown in 1982, was large and not in favor of the Israelis and NATO.
                      Quote: kig
                      So alas, it’s hard to do without an engine number. Love

                      Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                      Now the evidence is the decay of the target on the radar screen, there were fragments and ejection seats, the Israelis in the case of him unprovenly said that the pilot simply accidentally ejected
                      1. kig
                        kig 7 May 2018 12: 59
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                        Sorry, but your idea did not understand. Why can't you sleep in a maple leaf country?
                    7. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 7 May 2018 13: 46
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                      which one? what Americans, even in the future, didn’t learn to do such planes for supermen, because two engines should give better reliability instead of the worst, like the SR-71? lol
                      1. kig
                        kig 8 May 2018 12: 27
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                        I did not understand this thought:
                        Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                        it was just clarified about the plane from the FUTURE that if there is a plane with an almost equal speed to it, which has missiles with much greater speed, then there is no problem with that.


                        Do you happen to use a Google translator?
                    8. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 8 May 2018 12: 30
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                      no chance
                      did you understand about its engines?
                      1. kig
                        kig 9 May 2018 01: 22
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                        I’m not interested in its engine. Information can be found on this topic. Your statement is interesting, as if one of Drozdov was shot down in the Severomorsk region, and I have once again asked you to tell details. You seem to be the only person on planet Earth who knows this, so why not share it?
                    9. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 9 May 2018 04: 06
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                      so shared above
                      Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                      the usual violation of the SR-71 border and the downing of a MiG-25 on duty from 1985 to 1987 already with humpback was therefore even more hushed up, like the whole 1983-1984 war in Lebanon

                      others especially no details
                      without any "supposedly" and "supposedly" (the second was about F-15)
                      but what is the problem actually? shot down then the SR-71 was only one, and lost in accidents due to engines of more than a dozen.
                      Earlier, the English vetch cheerfully wrote that during this period the SR-71 did not fly for exploration along the Russian north, now they are writing “terrible” (which is not written about such details about Vietnam, Korea and Bl. Vostok):
                      There were two routes: One along the Norwegian west coast and up the Kola peninsula, which contained several large naval bases belonging to the Soviet Navy's Northern Fleet. Over the years, there were several emergency landings in Norway, four in Bodø and two of them in 1981 (flying from Beale) and 1985. Rescue parties were sent in to repair the planes before leaving. On one occasion, one complete wing with engine was replaced as the easiest way to get the plane airborne again.

                      American-Israeli patterns are collapsing, or is it because in a country of developed democracy, air force and CIA pilots have been forced to fly and ruin this masterpiece for decades, in the development of which the ingenious lockheed made such a serious mistake instead of completely remaking the plane? bully
                      this is not their first time, now with the F-35 there are similar problems, for example, on the F-35C it suddenly became clear that it would be nice to have a landing gear twice as long (as on other planes) laughing
                      1. kig
                        kig 9 May 2018 10: 19
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                        Yes, no problem. Moreover, there are no details.
                        Threat. At least tell me where you read about it.
                    10. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 9 May 2018 11: 46
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                      and which db more details?
                      there are obviously problems, skunks are such skunks lol
                      tell me what did you find about the engine?
                      1. kig
                        kig 9 May 2018 14: 21
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                        Yes, I didn’t look much, to be honest. His accident rate is increased, but the engine is far from always to blame. You can read here, for example

                        https://www.sr-71.org/blackbird/losses.php
                        http://www.wvi.com/~sr71webmaster/

                        Well, there is a very good, in my opinion, book
                        Paul Crickmore "Lockheed Blackbird: Beyond The Secret Missions"
                    11. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 9 May 2018 14: 39
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                      was written
                      Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                      For decades, Air Force and CIA pilots were forced to fly and ruin this "masterpiece" ... instead of completely redoing aircraft?

                      airplane and not engine
                      half the truth was written only once about 61-7952, because when it comes out completely, for example with a hook the F-35C will be more convenient to nod at that the problem was not hushed up at all lol
          2. Boar boar
            Wild boar wild boars 27 June 2018 21: 15
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            [quote] [/ quote] "the usual violation of the SR-71 border and the downing of a MiG-25 on duty from 1985 to 1987"
            I got a forum for reading, I could not stand it and decided to insert my 5 cents:
            1. He went on demobilization in May 1985. Place of service: KP 21 air defense regiment of 10 separate army in Severomorsk.
            2. SR-71 was not shot down there.
            3. MIG-25 was not on Kola land. In Kilp-Yavre there were MIG-23, in Monchegorsk MIG-31
      3. SETTGF
        SETTGF 7 May 2018 03: 46
        +1
        In the USSR, the S-200 anti-aircraft complex (long arm) appeared, which could shoot down the SR-71 when crossing the USSR border and not only, but it became expensive to fly. Space exploration from satellites began to develop intensively!
        1. 9lvariag
          9lvariag 30 May 2018 23: 42
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          Yes, intelligence was developing, but the Drozd’s capture width is larger and IR sensors are better. Although do not ask how IR and radio reconnaissance were made from him. And the AES also spent fuel and electricity on turning cameras.
        2. Warrior2015
          Warrior2015 13 July 2018 01: 33
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          Quote: SETTGF
          In the USSR, the C-200 anti-aircraft system (long arm) appeared, which could shoot down the SR-71 when crossing the USSR border and not only, but it became unprofitable to fly.

          And here I will ask for details - why did you get this that the C-200 is able to bring down the SR71?
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 1 May 2018 12: 34
      +4
      I once read the recollections of one air defense pilot from the Far East. In the late 80s, they were often raised to intercept the Drozdov. Americans already knew the flight time of MiGs from the moment they were discovered and showed their tail in time, without violating the borders of the USSR. We flew almost on schedule. And one of ours was lifted into the air a little earlier than the amer was discovered. And when he came close to the state border, the MiG turned on the radar and took him to escort with all the manipulations preceding the launch of the rocket. Naturally, the equipment at Drozda recorded all this and issued a warning. At that time, the scout broke all his previous speed records. After that month, three did not raise the alarm.
      1. Boar boar
        Wild boar wild boars 27 June 2018 21: 30
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        Memories are nonsense:
        1. We entered the database at 9-00 and we were already informed that the tanker was marked in the North Sea and were driving the SR-71 almost from Maidenhall, so the interceptors always got up a little earlier, especially if the MIG-23 tried to drive it (one caught a little earlier, and then, lagging behind, he passed on to the second, then this was no longer a problem with the MIG-31), and the 200th complex and even more than one were driving it from the ground, including I think the pilot knew about it.
        2. It seems to me that at the afterburner on which the scout passed along Kola, the pilot and the meow could not say, not to accelerate, there at that time all the autopilot was doing
    3. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 2 May 2018 20: 56
      +2
      Quote: striz56

      5
      striz56 (Alexander) April 30, 2018 21:00
      Colleagues of old-timers You do not accidentally remember why the Blackbird project was closed.

      In fact, Drozdov was retired for economic reasons - reconnaissance satellites developed rapidly and the moment came when they began to receive information not inferior in quality from satellites. And much cheaper.
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE 3 May 2018 09: 33
        +1
        another moment has come, satellites are moving along predictable trajectories
      2. AID.S
        AID.S 1 June 2018 13: 55
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        Quote: Captain Pushkin
        In fact, Drozdov was retired for economic reasons -

        Naturally, because there was no need for mattresses to reconnoiter something from the planes in the 90s, it was enough to send a delegation and look on the spot. And the air defense was simply reduced.
    4. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 4 May 2018 19: 36
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      And not the MiG-35?
  7. NF68
    NF68 1 May 2018 16: 34
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    Indeed, this plane looks like something from the future.
    1. Bratkov Oleg
      Bratkov Oleg 27 May 2018 20: 19
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      The future is when stamped iron works where titanium of almost manual processing used to work. Because the future is science and technology.
  8. Altona
    Altona 4 May 2018 12: 15
    +3
    Quote: pishchak
    Until now, as an engineer and an ex-aircraft modelist, he is in love with these two, so different from each other, masterpieces of a super-plane: SR-71 and MiG-25, American "Drozd" and his Soviet "Beagle"

    ------------------------
    As an ex-air defense worker I have a strong antipathy and hostility to this offspring. This is the most annoying scout who constantly patrolled along our borders.
    1. Boar boar
      Wild boar wild boars 27 June 2018 21: 38
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      Quote: Altona
      Quote: pishchak
      Until now, as an engineer and an ex-aircraft modelist, he is in love with these two, so different from each other, masterpieces of a super-plane: SR-71 and MiG-25, American "Drozd" and his Soviet "Beagle"

      ------------------------
      As an ex-air defense worker I have a strong antipathy and hostility to this offspring. This is the most annoying scout who constantly patrolled along our borders.

      Come on! Where is the importunity? For an hour flew 1-2 times a week. RS-135, and especially “Orion”, was intrusively delivered for 12-14 hours a day, especially at night: announcers, tablet players, console players transmit and note their coordinates every minute — don’t drink tea, don’t play chess, or even have fun)))
  9. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 27 May 2018 15: 17
    +1
    It looks futuristic for its time, but this is probably all there is to say good things about it, with such accident rate each flight for a pilot was like Russian roulette. And yes, our "clumsy" instant-25 sent this miracle to the museum literally
  10. staviator
    staviator 27 May 2018 18: 25
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    Brutal handsome! Given the year of release, this is a masterpiece. Who wants to "sit" in the cockpit of the aircraft in 3D, here is the link:
    http://nmusafvirtualtour.com/media/068/SR-71A%20F
    ront% 20Cockpit.html
    1. staviator
      staviator 27 May 2018 18: 42
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      http://gearmix.ru/archives/16265
      link to the cockpit under the video. cockpit in ultra HD in 3D
    2. Bratkov Oleg
      Bratkov Oleg 27 May 2018 20: 21
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      Most likely, the American pilots were sitting in the same diapers as on the Soyuz-Apollo flight ... Such brutal ones, my head was spinning ...
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE 28 May 2018 01: 06
        +2
        it was brutal in gemini where there was not even a salvation system, and astronauts would prefer to burn instead of rotting after zakomstva with a pool of hydrazine from which even the diaper will not protect yes
        and in these two comments all of America
    3. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE 28 May 2018 00: 58
      +1
      masterpiece brutal insanity is not a masterpiece, if one engine fails, the plane set sideways and fell apart, usually with the death of pilots, and they recorded only such a catastrophe and they all flew to the CIA where the opinion of the plane about pilots doesn’t mean much for their safety, rather more means keeping it with you yes
  11. Volodya Nigmetov
    Volodya Nigmetov 30 May 2018 13: 03
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    Quote: pishchak
    I first saw a photo of this beautiful aircraft in the late 70s, either in our Foreign Military Review, or in the German Flyug Review (in a German magazine it was written about in great detail, up to the mention, which then struck me, of a constant flow of fuel from tanks and 8 (?) centimeter elongation of the fuselage when flying on 3 Machs ...).
    Since then, I have been very interested in this aircraft and any information related to it. smile , although I haven’t watched much for a long time ...
    Many, many years later, I read about the Blackbird a very informative and well-illustrated article in the journal Aviation and Time, which, along with the YouTube video, finally helped me to compose a holistic picture of the history of creation, production and operation SR-71, the evolution of its design and aerodynamics ...
    Until now, as an engineer and an ex-aircraft modelist, he is in love with these two, so different from each other, masterpieces of a super-plane: SR-71 and MiG-25, American "Drozd" and his Soviet "Beagle" yes

    8 centimeters a trifle, our supersonic one was lengthened so that it tore the carpet between the seats (for a long time we searched for what a bastard was tearing it!) We flew from Moscow, and on the spot the path cuts in half in Alma Ata
  12. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 30 May 2018 23: 22
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    Quote: Captain Pushkin
    Quote: pishchak
    priority of our super-fast soldier aircraft, and not the whimsical overseas sissy

    Drozd has rich combat practice. MiG-25 machine is also far from ordinary and not cheap. More adapted to the MiG-31 drill service. But it is not at all simple both in production and in operation and in piloting.

    Oh, whether some of us like to juggle and shove an owl on the globe. Where is the SR-71A combat practice? Apart from the 11 holes that supposedly counted on Okinawa, after flying Black Shild, over the DRV. And the MiG-25, it’s not combat type, it flew over Israel and NATO countries to pancakes, to enemies?
  13. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 30 May 2018 23: 31
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    kig,
    KIG, my IMHO that the "Thrush" is not shot down. Rather, he himself fell apart in the air or crashed during a U-turn. Then one person on you tube told me about the SR-71 call, to the territory of the USSR in 1988, at 30 km. and that they couldn’t bring down the MiG and shoot down the S-300! Like it was then classified. In general, if we take into account that its 180-degree turn is 180 km, that would not exceed max. glider load in 2G, then approach 30 km. it's just rubbish.
    1. Dr. Hub
      Dr. Hub 2 June 2018 09: 31
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      Figs knows. It is not necessary for him to go perpendicular to the border, he could also along the tangent. But why?
  14. Dr. Hub
    Dr. Hub 2 June 2018 09: 29
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    Where is the article? Apart from the mention that there was a blackbird, no information. Why such articles? You can tell a lot about this aircraft, as well as about any other. So tell me if you take.
  15. cosmos-PS
    cosmos-PS 4 June 2018 12: 08
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    The plane was good for its time, but the MiG-25 put the thrush in its place, and when you consider that it was still voracious, its uniqueness came to naught.
    1. Topgun
      Topgun 6 June 2018 08: 38
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      they began to exploit the thrush in 66, and in the moment 70 ...
      MIG has nothing to do with it ...
  16. TimurEkgardt
    TimurEkgardt 9 June 2018 10: 27
    +1
    And then they made the MiG-25 and this black bird stopped flying because it was intercepted by the Soviet MiG at a time.
  17. Bare
    Bare 10 June 2018 19: 53
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    Ah, ah, ah SR - 71! The dialogue of "experts" is surprising, the product is not.
    Unprecedentedly expensive, poorly effective, difficult to operate toy, surprising at that time. After all, it was necessary to surprise the world!