Large and European. In Berlin presented the UAV MALE RPAS

At the international aerospace exhibition 2018 ILA Berlin Air Show in Berlin, a presentation of the developed promising reconnaissance and strike drone long-range "European Medium-Altitude Long-Endurance Remotely Piloted Aircraft" (MALE), reports bmpd.

It is reported that the UAV is created by agreement from 2015, the companies Airbus, Leonardo and Dassault Aviation. The program is funded by the governments of Germany, France, Italy and Spain. The exhibition presented a full-size model of the device.

Currently, the development is at the design stage. An agreement on the definition of a UAV design scheme was concluded in the middle of last year.

“The presented model demonstrates a large-sized UAV with an all-composite design, equipped with two turboprop engines with pushing propellers (a specific type of engine has not yet been selected). Communication with the ground control station should be provided by a satellite communications system, ”the message says.

A feature of the control system of the apparatus should be its “compliance with the norms of flights in the civilian-controlled airspace of Europe”, for which appropriate certification procedures will be implemented.

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[NEXUS]

Altair, where are you ?!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: NEXUS

Altair, where are you ?!

Ours as always keep quiet, as in the 41st .. hehe Russia concentrates simply!

[Separ DNR]

Quote: MIKHAN

Ours as always keep quiet, as in the 41st .. hehe Russia concentrates simply!

Yes ... Not so frail, you gave an example of "concentration" ...

From Moscow and Stalingrad, then, I had to drive the adversary.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Separ DNR

Yes ... Not so frail, you gave an example of "concentration" ...

Bullshit of course. in 1941, according to our data, 2 people were missing and captured. According to German, in accordance with Appendix 335 to the report of the High Command of the Ground Forces dated 482/5/25.12.1941, it is said about 3 captured Russian troops

[rumpeljschtizhen]

Well, "MIKHAN" noble Troll. I can’t believe that a person seriously wrote this .... (judging by the “grammar” the more so the education of 10 classes, at least as far back as in the USSR ... therefore, you can get such a post only for fun.
Or is the help needed by doctors

[okko077]

But she turned 41 in focus turns ?! Just with tens of millions of dead? And now it will be so?
In general, I like modern hobbies for drones in the world of dummies, which I have no idea why they need a combat UAV in the first place .....

[Safevi]

I think the efforts of such giants as Airbus, Leonardo and Dassault will succeed.

[okko077]

I mean, make a lot of money? And where does the military effective UAV? It's not the same thing ... I see?

[Separ DNR]

Quote: NEXUS

Altair, where are you ?!

It seems to be behind the entire planet. Alas...
American, Chinese drone drone, Iranian ... That's European on the way ...

WHERE RUSSIAN?

Or again, someone will say that they "do not fit" into the concept, strategy, doctrine?
Like, drones, these are weapons of cold-blooded killers behind monitors ...

[Cradle]

So we will launch Medvedev with Rogozin, they will scare everyone there ...

[NEOZ]

Quote: NEXUS

Altair, where are you ?!

judging by the pursuit, you are a person from aviation.
tell me what is the fundamental difference between large UAVs from aircraft of similar characteristics?

[NEXUS]

Quote: NEOZ

tell me what is the fundamental difference between large UAVs from aircraft of similar characteristics?

In fact, there are no serial drone UAV dimensions and masses of a fighter. Such drones are likely to appear during the development of next-generation fighters.

[Separ DNR]

Quote: NEXUS

In fact, there are no serial drone UAV dimensions and masses of a fighter. Such drones are likely to appear during the development of next-generation fighters.

Well,while only all UAVs exist in strike and reconnaissance variants.
About UAVs with a fighter essence, is not yet heard, although, perhaps, work is underway to create such, in the quiet of laboratories and design bureaus.

[Sergey39]

The Germans always suffered from gigantomania and it didn’t lead to anything good. Impact drones are military aircraft of the 6th, 7th generation and will not appear soon. The Germans cannot be pulled alone

[okko077]

NEXUS, why are they needed? We have the ability to exchange real-time information is limited to 100 km ... And even then, these are fairy tales, judging by Syria and the LDNR and the Sea of ​​Azov .. We don’t see anything, we can’t do anything. Dream on the sofa .... You need to though would be 200 km ... We. What is a global network to ensure their work in real time? When all this idiocy ceases - it is necessary to develop information opportunities. We can’t provide average UAVs with a coating in the target designation variant, and here storytellers hang noodles about our shock monsters .... Once again: why are they needed, and more precisely how will they be used? NO!
Cut money, and you provide them with information support ....

[gridasov]

Yes, do not appear！ Nothing just appears！ And the fighters of the next and subsequent generations will also be fighters on the foundation of the physical processes of the 19th century, which means there will be no speed, no acceleration, no maneuverability. Therefore, first physics and mathematics, and only then technology. With drones, the same gimmick. they fly further because more fuel is charged in the tanks, and not because the technology of flight support is better.

[san4es]

Quote: NEXUS

Altair, where are you ?!

Together with the Yak-152, German motors are waiting (bypassing sanctions, stomping gardens)

RED A12 03-cylinder V-diesel - 500 hp

[NN52]

Hi

So Yak 152 this year, students are unlikely to see, probably ....
But let's hope for the best ...

[san4es]

I’m healthy.

Quote: NN52

, ... Yak 152 this year ...

... 15 cars promised:

Five Yak-152 training aircraft (UTS) will be built in 2017 by the Irkut Corporation, and plans for the next year are to produce about ten aircraft of this type, Interfax-AVN reports.
“Until the end of the current (2017) year, it is planned to build the first batch of three Yak-152s in Irkutsk for their subsequent delivery to the flight schools of the Aerospace Forces (VKS) of Russia. In addition, two more aircraft must be built to intensify flight tests. That there is, at the end of the year Irkutsk will release five cars, "the agency’s source said.
According to him, "in 2018, the Irkutsk Aircraft Plant (a branch of PJSC Irkut Corporation) may release more than ten Yak-152."
http://aviation21.ru/na-irkutskom-aviazavode-do-k
onca-2018-goda-budet-izgotovleno-15-samolyotov-ya
k-152 /

[Yodzakura]

According to the plant [10]: piston diesel RED A03 1 x 500
According to the Design Bureau [11]: 1 x 360

[gridasov]

Not the engine is in contact with the elastic external environment and the air resistance to flight, but the mover.

[san4es]

Quote: gridasov

... but the mover.

...Eureka! Glory to Archimedes !!!

[gridasov]

What is eureka? To whom you show your rudeness. You can’t even use the solution already found and which is being proposed. You and your kind are just smart enough to engage in criticism, and accept a new one, or at least ..... How about a pea wall!

[san4es]

Quote: gridasov

, ... To whom you show your rudeness.

... What rudeness?! .. I smoked something ?!

[NN52]

gridasov
So it’s not necessary, to say ... Moreover, you don’t know to whom you make such a message .....
Why You Need It?
And especially sanchezu ... Gridasov, I had a better opinion of you ...
Today you’ve been fed up with something ...

[gridasov]

for me there are no authorities that I myself have not chosen. You, like others, allow you to touch on personal aspects in your statements. This is not a correct and tactful behavior. I do not indicate who and what ate. We discuss topics and only within the framework of this one can argue and here I am ready to forgive a lot. But when the opponent is not looking for arguments and justifications in the subject of discussion, then the first step I point to this. If you do not take it easy, then all the best. I will find someone to talk to

[NN52]

gridasov
And who is your authority? Einstein? Tesla? Or maybe you yourself?
And this is an impersonal site .... There are no authorities, except perhaps in the history section ... Where to read is sometimes interesting, but I do not want to comment ...

[gridasov]

Therefore, I say that only thematic issues are discussed, not personal ones. You yourself led the conversation to this. Regarding authorities, I recognize people with the ability to reasonably substantiate their thoughts and ideas, and not succumb only to their own illusions. After all, why am I not discovering an extremely important, for the present, method of analyzing big data and, in particular, the properties of numbers that no one sees as obvious. You simply do not believe in such an opportunity, but for me it is an opportunity to reveal a person’s ability. A person is able to develop only through Faith in a more organized mind. If you think that we are perfect in our present, then we will stop developing

[Livonetc]

Friend.
Please explain.
Why do most drone options use a propeller solution?
What is the advantage?

[Engineer]

Why they did this on this, and even on the pylons, and even two - it’s not clear at all. In general, this is a convenient layout solution, if like Ripper. The nose of the fuselage becomes free to accommodate various equipment, radars, etc. And at these speeds, the difference is especially pulling or pushing screw.

[dauria]

What is the advantage?

There is no advantage in aerodynamics. Here the layout is more important. Need a free nose and top, you need to survive to the maximum when flopping on the belly. And with such a look as in the photo, in addition, the wing is clean without nacelles - plus technological effectiveness and load-bearing properties (although there is a minus - the motors on the wing unload it, strength is needed less), Surprised - 6-blade screws. It can be seen, for reasons of reducing the diameter (and so that the soil does not cling to the belly) went for it. In general, it will be great to review all the canons in terms of strength and aerodynamics. Too great they began to differ from aircraft in terms of their capabilities with drop dead unpretentiousness and cheapness.

[Piramidon]

Quote: dauria

Need a loose nose and top

If the engines on the same tail pylons are rotated 180 degrees (pulling screws), the nose and wings will also remain free.

[Genry]

Quote: Livonetc

... What is the advantage?

The thrown air mass does not beat against an obstacle (wing, pylon) and does not lose energy.

[gridasov]

The dynamic flows of the elastic medium, the air, create lift on the wing and the maneuverability of the aircraft, and therefore create all the conditions for an effective flight.

[NN52]

Gridasov
Somehow for you this conclusion is rather weak ... Hand over?
This is known to cadets after the first year of training in the flight .. But slightly not the way you tell ...

[gridasov]

But if you agree with me, then you need to understand that the rear screw arrangement is not a rational solution from the point of view of energy. Another thing is in our device, in which vector-suction processes allow the device to be located at the rear, and with a higher potential for mass rejection, placed at the front. Talk only about this. Screws and propellers are not efficient converters of energy flow

[NN52]

gridasov
And what kind of rationality are we talking about? This scheme allows you to stay in the air for up to 24 hours ... Why more? Need for weeks? I think no. The cost of a flight hour from this does not change much ...

[venik]

Quote: Livonetc

Why do most drone options use a propeller solution?
What is the advantage?

=========
First of all - to "clean" the nose to install a survey equipment. And from the point of aerodynamics - there are no special advantages of the pushing propeller!

[Eduard petrov]

An outpost looks more powerful, I think. And more technological.

[Engineer]

The layout diagram as from a student’s diploma of some aviation department. T-plumage, engines on pylons on the fuselage, non-observance of the area rule. In general, for 4k.

[dauria]

T-plumage, pylon engines on the fuselage, non-compliance with the area rule

You argue in the plane. There are other priorities. And the golden mean has shifted. A simple example, who would have thought that the plane should be designed from the condition of sticking into the Ostankino tower? Given the dimensions and mass of the payload. Height and duration. They said, clear the nose and the top, the equipment needs them. They said the maximum cost and labor costs of the service. Yes, in addition, something else exotic. Type drag a crowd of 10 snouts from the truck for 300 meters and assemble in 15 minutes. And all do not care about 2% increase from the interference of the T-plumage, if only it would not break on the head of the onlooker, and the cracked wing could be quickly replaced without touching the engines (and vice versa). Excellent modular layout, thought out from the manufacturability of production and operation.

[dnestr74]

I’m curious, big slow, and probably well visible on the radar. After all, to drive the Papuans? I understand the small reconnaissance spotters, but these complexes against a normal opponent are useless. It seems to me like that.

[RainTNT]

It’s interesting simply, expensive photo and video equipment goes into the airplane’s body during an emergency landing or donate until the end they watch it rest on the ground without a landing gear.

[zoff-2017]

Question to the experts. Why does the large drones in the bow design resemble a cockpit for the pilot?

[gridasov]

This is a question of the psychophysiology of those who design machines. They can’t abandon stereotypes. The Americans create a lot of experimental aircraft, but all the basic principles in the design are the same. That is, they rivet, they would rivet

[zoff-2017]

And I thought that in order to develop capabilities, initially these UAVs are controlled by pilots, and then a cyborg is put in their place ;-)

[Mentat]

Quote: Separ DNR

American, Chinese drone drone, Iranian ... That's European on the way ...

Iranian, Chinese, Zimbabwean "heavy drones" - this is essentially a cargo cult.

WHERE RUSSIAN?

In developing.
We, like the Americans, need heavy UAVs of global action, but there is no so much money for MCCs and a satellite constellation. In fact, no one else has them. Whining about this is useless. You can come up with alternatives.

[Georgievic]

From the point of view of a massive attack, these slow-moving drones, even in local conflicts, are useless. EW will shut them up and they will spin on autonomy like a drone in the Interstellar movie. Therefore, before dumping loot in a fashionable idea, you need to sensibly evaluate the effectiveness of the final idea. It seems, therefore, in the Russian Federation that they do not jerk about similar drones but rely on super sound.

[Beltasir matyagu]

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