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Altai has finally gone. Turkey announced the start of serial production of a domestic tank

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The process of developing and testing the first Turkish tank came to an end. The Turkish Ministry of Defense has announced the winner in a tender for serial production of Altay tanks, Warspot reports citing the portal defensenews.com.


Altai has finally gone. Turkey announced the start of serial production of a domestic tank


The winner of the tender was the Turkish-Qatari company BMC, which won the contract for the development of the engine for the Altay tank in February of this year. The military department did not disclose the details of the transaction, while earlier it was stated that the first production batch would be 250 units, and it is planned to purchase about 1000 Altay tanks for the army.

We remind you that initially it was planned to sign a contract for serial production of the tank back in 2016, but because of the sanctions imposed on Turkey by the European Union, Austria refused to transfer the engine production technology to Ankara.

The tank's mass is 60 t, while it can reach speeds of up to 70 km / h. The car has a reservation system from Roketsan, as well as active fire protection and control systems developed by Aselsan. In addition, Altay tanks will be equipped with radiation and chemical threat detection systems. The cost of producing one unit is estimated at about $ 5,5 million, and about $ 500 million was spent on developing a new tank. According to the plans of the Turkish Defense Ministry, Altay tanks will have to be replaced by German Leopard 1A and Leopard 2A, as well as the American M48 and M60, which are in service Turkish army.

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  1. vorobey
    vorobey April 26 2018 12: 13
    +12
    Kurds are already rubbing their hands, and RPGs are lubricating ..
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov April 26 2018 12: 16
      +5
      Oh, we still need to place a tank division in Syria! Air defense and VKS needed business .. But the tank fist always sobered up many if our crews were there (descendants of those who took Berlin and broke Guderian’s tank armada!)
      1. vorobey
        vorobey April 26 2018 12: 18
        +9
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Oh, we still need a tank division in Syria


        The tank is a desert ship ... drinks drinks
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter April 26 2018 12: 25
          +11
          As I understood from the article, in February, only a tender was won for development of (and not production) engine for Altai. So it's too early for the Turks to dance and trumpet about launching in a series.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 April 26 2018 14: 04
            +7
            Nobody except the Ukrainians offered the engine to them. The Koreans themselves can neither do the engine nor the transmission yet and are buying the German ones. Until there is clarity with the engine, there will be no mass production of Altayev. But the topic is not so simple. hi
            1. tekinoral
              tekinoral April 26 2018 16: 30
              +2
              Quote: Alex777
              Nobody offered the engine to them except Ukrainians

              The first 250 tanks will be with MTU, the RENK transmission, German, the contract was signed from the very beginning.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 26 2018 20: 24
                +3
                Quote: tekinoral
                The first 250 tanks will be with MTU

                where are the firewood from? The Germans just sent the first Turks (MTU stood on two experimental cars - then a game over) Otherwise, why would dances with the search engine? Either with the Austrians, then with the Ukrainians, then almost in the USA they were going to buy, now the Koreans ...
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 April 26 2018 22: 42
                  0
                  Koreans are the developers of the tank from which Altai is licked. And in Europe, all the Turks refused to supply, as you say. hi
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 April 28 2018 14: 53
                    0
                    Thank you all, Altayev will not be at all:
                    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3177338.html
            2. lekalpan
              lekalpan April 28 2018 07: 09
              0
              The fluff is German from Rheinmetall. The Germans do not really like the Turks. They can refuse to supply. Without fluff, it only plow fields.
        2. Observer2014
          Observer2014 April 26 2018 12: 40
          +2
          vorobey (Sasha)
          The tank is a desert ship ..
          laughing wassat Well, as if in this case, Yes laughing good
        3. Hire
          Hire April 26 2018 12: 43
          +14
          And I, perhaps, wish the Turks good luck. It is visible to the naked eye that they want to get rid of the American military-industrial complex. I can only welcome this.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 26 2018 13: 26
            +5
            Quote: Hire
            It is visible to the naked eye that they want to get rid of the American military-industrial complex.

            Perhaps so, but ... whose gun is German? I think the dvigun is either German or mattress ... will they produce their own shells under the cannon?
            Of course, the best test would be if the Turks in Altai came to our biathlon, and they would have looked.
            1. Hire
              Hire April 26 2018 13: 42
              +7
              Quote: NEXUS
              ... whose cannon? German. Dvigun think either German or mattress ..

              Let it be German, French or Italian. But not American.
              Quote: NEXUS
              Of course, the best test would be if the Turks in Altai came to our biathlon, and they would have looked.

              60 tons? He will not crawl to the finish line. That's when the category "over 55 tons" is introduced, then yes, we are asking for mercy. smile
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 April 26 2018 14: 07
                +4
                The Germans will not deliver anything to the Turks. They refused. In the original Korean tank, from which this "Turkish" Altai was stripped 95% - everything is German. And the gun, and the engine, and the transmission. hi
                1. Hire
                  Hire April 26 2018 14: 22
                  +7
                  Quote: Alex777
                  The Germans will not deliver anything to the Turks.

                  laughing Welcome to Yekaterinburg at "Plant No. 9".
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 April 26 2018 16: 04
                    +1
                    It was rumored that conversations were ongoing, but there was no confirmation. hi
              2. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 26 2018 20: 28
                +1
                Quote: Hire
                Let it be German, French or Italian. But not American

                Americans themselves put a German cannon on their tanks))
                Quote: Hire
                60 tons? He will not crawl to the finish line.

                Abrams norms flies, by the way) And he has a carcass - about 60 is. It all depends on such an indicator as specific power)
            2. the most important
              the most important April 26 2018 20: 58
              0
              Quote: NEXUS
              Of course, the best test would be if the Turks in Altai came to our biathlon, and they would have looked.

              No matter how they came to Aleppo to check it ... Although, I believe in the T-90MS! This is a great examiner for any tank! In 10 years, I think, in Syria there will be more than a thousand of our modern tanks.
        4. Safevi
          Safevi April 26 2018 12: 55
          +6
          "Kurds are already rubbing their hands, and RPGs are lubricating."
          If you have anyone to rub ..
          1. vorobey
            vorobey April 26 2018 13: 12
            +4
            Quote: sefevi
            "Kurds are already rubbing their hands, and RPGs are lubricating."
            If you have anyone to rub ..


            Americans will release ...
          2. Graz
            Graz April 26 2018 13: 40
            0
            you're like a little, there will be just a guerrilla war, they will shoot in the back from every dark nook and cranny
          3. lekalpan
            lekalpan April 28 2018 07: 12
            0
            There is an incubator in the north of Syria and Iraq. They will create as much as necessary.
        5. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov April 26 2018 16: 46
          +3
          Quote: vorobey
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Oh, we still need a tank division in Syria

          The tank is a desert ship ... drinks drinks

          That's for sure ! drinks

          Well, for the tank fist of Russia in Syria and not only! I believe he will be .. drinks soldier
      2. Corsair0304
        Corsair0304 April 26 2018 12: 34
        +1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Oh, we still need to place a tank division in Syria!


        As I understand it, there are plenty of tanks there, only crews need to be thrown over. In general, anti-aircraft defense works well, and so on. Oncoming tank battles, we don’t need anything there ..
      3. Shura Sailors
        Shura Sailors April 26 2018 12: 35
        +5
        Yeah, and also for the brigade of the Airborne Forces and Marines + 'Yarsi + Damascus make the capital of the Russian Federation wassat
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 26 2018 12: 45
      +3
      Let them lubricate - for rent these tanks will go in series with active protection against RPGs and ATGMs.
    3. kapitan92
      kapitan92 April 26 2018 12: 57
      +5
      Quote: vorobey
      Kurds are already rubbing their hands, and RPGs are lubricating ..

      With “dynamics” it is weighted from head to toe, but there is a question about active defense. It’s not on the video. hi
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 26 2018 20: 47
        +1
        Quote: kapitan92
        but about active protection is a question.

        for the Turks DZ for happiness, but you mean KAZ ..)) By the way, it is not on the T-90 either, so they are not alone in this world with their Altai
    4. gukoyan
      gukoyan April 26 2018 13: 53
      +1
      "Kurds are already rubbing their hands, and RPGs are lubricating .."

      Did they tell you about this?
      And why then didn’t they lubricate it before?
      1. vorobey
        vorobey April 26 2018 14: 34
        +2
        Quote: gukoyan
        "Kurds are already rubbing their hands, and RPGs are lubricating .."

        Did they tell you about this?
        And why then didn’t they lubricate it before?


        and before that they lubricated when the Turkish M60 and 2 leopards burned ..
    5. lekalpan
      lekalpan April 28 2018 07: 07
      0
      From RPG, you can only scratch the paint. In the best case, kill the gusl.
  2. impostor
    impostor April 26 2018 12: 13
    +3
    In their production, the Turks are dependent on Germans and Koreans, which in fact is not a gut
    1. Sergey985
      Sergey985 April 26 2018 12: 20
      +8
      Well done anyway. They are trying to do it themselves.
      1. BZTM
        BZTM April 26 2018 12: 25
        +6
        Import substitution in Turkish. wink
        1. Safevi
          Safevi April 26 2018 12: 59
          +4
          "And where are the engines from?"
          In fact, the Navy is not new to the market. It produces good buses and much more.
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 26 2018 20: 50
            +2
            Quote: sefevi
            In fact, the Navy is not new to the market. It produces good buses and much more.

            making buses doesn't mean being able to make engines. Making car engines doesn't mean being able to make a tank diesel. With the same success, one could say that AvtoVAZ also makes cars - let it bang us a tank diesel)) Is it funny? .. So I
      2. impostor
        impostor April 26 2018 12: 25
        +2
        In fact, the Turks themselves do not have much there, Mona say a fairly localized assembly, but nothing more. This, of course, is greatly exaggerated, but the Turks do not have a tank building school, which side do not go
      3. Don
        Don April 26 2018 12: 26
        +2
        Quote: Sergey985
        Well done anyway. They are trying to do it themselves.

        Absolutely right. The Germans do not want to sell their new tanks to the Turks, the Americans are not going smoothly either, so the Turks do not have much choice. And they created their Altai on the basis of one of the best tanks in the world, the South Korean K 2
        1. impostor
          impostor April 26 2018 12: 39
          +2
          Now, if the be based on Turkish - hell yes, and as if the St. Petersburg Toyota
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 26 2018 12: 47
      +3
      The South Koreans themselves are dependent in their components on the Germans.
    3. Graz
      Graz April 26 2018 13: 42
      0
      therefore, the company and the right one, through Qatar, and even through a few more intermediaries, will most likely buy weapons and engines, it is clear that nothing will come of them with the production of dviguns
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 26 2018 14: 53
        +1
        MTU does not .... they do not give a license purely in the commercial interest. Altai is a direct competitor to Leo 2A5-7. This tank will primarily compete with NATO tanks for the Arab market. And the tank was designed by the Koreans precisely under the diesel + MTU box. To equip even an American or English or French power unit, you need to shovel all MTOs. I am already silent about permission and the desire to help the Turks from these countries. Maybe even a Ukrainian diesel can be delivered somehow?
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 April 26 2018 20: 54
          0
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Maybe even a Ukrainian diesel can be delivered somehow?

          But is he, a Ukrainian diesel then? He was only seen as a layout
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek April 27 2018 09: 30
            0
            Well, what are they putting on their tanks (Ukrainian)?
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 April 27 2018 17: 07
              0
              Quote: Zaurbek
              Well, what are they putting on their tanks (Ukrainian)?

              So which tanks? On the T-64/72/80? Those engines will not pull a 60-ton wild boar (he is now 60 tons, then he’ll recover). Turks need an engine of more than 1200 mares, preferably 1500 in general. But this is only in the layout for Ukrainians.
    4. tekinoral
      tekinoral April 26 2018 16: 57
      0
      At the moment, from the Germans, from the Koreans not!
      1. impostor
        impostor April 26 2018 17: 55
        0
        Formally, the development and technical support are over, the technical and technological documentation of the Turks, that is, partly you are right, but if a serious jamb comes out during the operation, and the Turks themselves do not have a tank-building school, do you think they will turn to Hyundai or not?
        1. protoss
          protoss April 27 2018 00: 33
          0
          you are rushing with this "tank-building school". Turkey is a completely industrial country, so that, having the necessary documentation, production facilities and financing, it can rivet almost any product, and the tanks here are no different from bulldozers or lawn mowers.
          1. impostor
            impostor April 27 2018 15: 12
            +1
            If your lawnmower mows the lawn is not as clean as the neighbor - it does not matter. But if the MBT riveted by you on the 10th shot is left without an automatic loader, your women will not keep up with the birth of your tank army hi
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      1. Sergey985
        Sergey985 April 26 2018 12: 23
        0
        Why quote? As a result, they seemed to be deleted, but it still remained.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey April 26 2018 12: 35
          +3
          Quote: Sergey985
          Why quote? As a result, they seemed to be deleted, but it still remained.


          stupid ... repeat repeat
    2. impostor
      impostor April 26 2018 12: 20
      +1
      This stopudova is directly related to the mixture of Black Panther and Leopard (Altay), right?
  4. Equalized
    Equalized April 26 2018 12: 18
    +3
    And where are the engines from? they were not sold diesel technology. They tried to buy everywhere, even in the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Somehow I can’t believe that they solved the problem so quickly.
    1. mvg
      mvg April 26 2018 12: 29
      +1
      Not sold to Turkey, will be sold to Qatar. Therefore, the joint venture with the Araps won the contract .. There will be a MTU883 license, because you have been honing it.
  5. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa April 26 2018 12: 21
    0
    The video was not impressive, neither shooting nor action was shown. wink
  6. nikoliski
    nikoliski April 26 2018 12: 24
    +2
    For that kind of money, they could buy a T-90 with a full body kit (Arena E) DZ Relic and other gadgets
    1. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 April 26 2018 12: 38
      0
      Quote: nikoliski
      For that kind of money, they could buy a T-90 with a full body kit (Arena E) DZ Relic and other gadgets


      Could of course, but Erdogan wants to have his own, independent of other countries. It seems that he pulled the development for money, now let's see how the car behaves. In any case, they will run in in combat conditions.
    2. gukoyan
      gukoyan April 26 2018 13: 57
      0
      Here's another ... These scammers also sell T-90 for tomatoes ...
      One is already selling SU-35 for palm oil.
  7. Spike Javelin Touvich
    Spike Javelin Touvich April 26 2018 12: 25
    +5
    BMC is not bad at all
    1. Spike Javelin Touvich
      Spike Javelin Touvich April 26 2018 12: 26
      +5
      here's another truck
    2. brigadier
      brigadier April 26 2018 15: 57
      +1
      We run around like that.
  8. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 April 26 2018 12: 26
    +4
    I think Altai Turkish is a hodgepodge of technologies from different countries .... we followed the example of the Chinese. The Turks do not have their own technologies ... yet. And you can say anything you like, but in fact there will be so many more tweaks and remodels ....... The United States also trumpeted and promoted its Abrams as the best tank in the world ... and what?
  9. zoolu350
    zoolu350 April 26 2018 12: 28
    +2
    I hope the indicated wunderwaffle will burn no worse than its progenitor Leopard-2.
    1. Safevi
      Safevi April 26 2018 13: 01
      +4
      "I hope the specified prodigy will burn no worse"
      And what good is it for you? Will they hang a medal on the neck or put a candy in your pocket? There is nothing to write about, just to shake the air
      1. zoolu350
        zoolu350 April 26 2018 21: 05
        0
        For the Su-24 and Su-25, as well as our pilots.
  10. Altona
    Altona April 26 2018 12: 29
    +3
    The names of the Turks are interesting - Altai (tank), Baikal (machine tool equipment), Dzheyran (automobile axes and components). Do you catch associations? laughing laughing
    1. himRa
      himRa April 26 2018 13: 48
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      The names of the Turks are interesting - Altai (tank), Baikal (machine tool equipment), Dzheyran (automobile axes and components). Do you catch associations? laughing laughing

      There are no hints and there cannot be ... ancient Turkic words ... from the fact that they are in the territory of modern Russia they will not become .... Russian birch ...
      There is a good dialogue between Kazakh and Russian before the fight in the film "28 Panfilov" I recommend to watch ...
      For example, as a Tatar, I understand the conversation on the radio:
      Altai ike - Altai Bir
      Altai2-Altai1
      One could talk about reverse association since these names are primary for us! wassat
    2. garnik
      garnik April 26 2018 18: 34
      0
      Nostalgia for lost lands. But they promise to return.
      1. tekinoral
        tekinoral April 26 2018 19: 25
        +1
        Quote: garnik
        Nostalgia for lost lands. But they promise to return.

        Without a penny garnik in any way, but can someone's surname life?
        1. garnik
          garnik April 26 2018 22: 54
          0
          http://cherkesleaks.ru/glavnoe/realnye-agressii-v
          irtualnogo-turana /
          The first thing I found was a .Cherkess site.
      2. nikoliski
        nikoliski April 27 2018 00: 45
        +1
        Rather, the Greeks then let them drive these deserts back to their steppes (and return Constantinople)
      3. Babur_Imperat
        Babur_Imperat April 27 2018 16: 29
        +2
        This people lives on a huge part of the planet, starting from the Far East and ending with the Mediterranean lands. The descendants of the proud steppe people now live in North America, Western Europe, China and even on the islands of Australia. But wherever these people are, they always remember where their roots came from.

        The very word "Turk" is translated as "strong, strong." That is what this people is - courageous, free and strong.
  11. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 April 26 2018 12: 30
    0
    Looks like Erdogan finally got addicted to enemies / allies in MBT. It’s high time, because there is nothing to feed the economy of those who impose sanctions on your country .. Ours would not hurt to listen too.
    But still - a little expensive car, a little expensive ...
  12. _Jack_
    _Jack_ April 26 2018 12: 34
    +1
    where did the engine come from so quickly? Or are they just going to develop it? then they will wait for a few more years, such engines are not developed quickly
    1. protoss
      protoss April 27 2018 00: 37
      0
      maybe they stupidly copy German. slightly modified so that there are no claims for rights and that’s it.
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 April 27 2018 08: 29
      0
      That everyone is so rested on the engine, can someone explain - where did the metallurgy of armor steel come from in Turkey? Or how in the ukrovermaht armor with metal from the chopped railway tank?
      1. _Jack_
        _Jack_ April 27 2018 10: 34
        0
        it’s all Korean technology, the whole tank is there from the world, but Europe refused to deliver the engine to them at the last moment, they rushed about in search of the engine, and then all of a sudden “went”, misunderstanding with the engine
  13. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa April 26 2018 12: 39
    0
    something tells me that in the photo and video different tanks or optical illusion?
  14. tuts
    tuts April 26 2018 12: 42
    0
    didn’t the inventors hear about rational tilt angles of armor?
  15. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 26 2018 12: 49
    0
    The tank is relatively modern. type T-90SM. But the path to localization among the Turks is much longer.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey April 26 2018 13: 42
      +2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      But the path to localization among the Turks is much longer.


      and accordingly more expensive ...
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 26 2018 14: 48
        +2
        If sanctions like at least Russian are imposed, the project will be hacked.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 27 2018 09: 31
        +1
        T-90SM is also not cheap ....
  16. raw174
    raw174 April 26 2018 13: 11
    +2
    Judging by the hunting weapons, the product is not very ... Altay five-shotgun lives 200-300 shots, then it is no longer a shotgun, but a product for decorating the hut ... From the experience of a comrade with whom we often hunted together.
  17. san4es
    san4es April 26 2018 13: 43
    +3
    hi The tank was named “Altay” in honor of General Fakhrettin Altai, who commanded the V cavalry corps, parts of which during the Turkish War of Independence in 1919-1923. liberated the city of Izmir from the Greek troops The Altai tank uses the modern modular automated fire control system (LMS) Volkan-lll or National Cannon, originally developed for the TAKS naval platforms.
    Crew, person: 4
    Developer: Turkey Otokar (lead developer)
    Republic of Korea Hyundai Rotem (technical support)
    Manufacturer: Turkey Savunma Sanayii Mustesarligi
    Years of development: 2007 - 2017
    Years of production: since 2020 (plan)
    Number of issued, pcs .: 4 prototypes
    Tank weight - 60 tons
    - body Length, mm: 7735
    - Length with gun forward, mm: 10 307
    - housing width, mm: 3972
    - Height, mm: 2640
    - Type of armor: combined protivosnaryadny
    weaponry
    - Caliber and brand of gun: 120 mm MKEK120
    - gun type: smoothbore
    - barrel length, calibres: 55
    - gun ammunition: 57
    - Machine guns: 1 × 7,62 mm; 1 × 12,7 mm
    - engine type: diesel
    - Engine power, l. c .: 1500
    Tank speed Altai
    - Speed ​​on the highway, km / h: 70
    - Cruising on the highway, km: 500
    - The overcome wall, m: 1,0
    - The overcome ditch, m: 2,8
    - Overcoming ford, m: 1,2 (4,1 with OPVT)
    http://oruzhie.info/tanki/817-altaj
  18. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 26 2018 16: 12
    0
    Everyone once has the first tank, the first plane, the first ball! .. And you will have a lot of points before going to the dog! (advertising)
  19. Mentat
    Mentat April 26 2018 16: 26
    0
    Where is the main information: which engine and transmission? Germany refused them, Korea refused, whose units? If the Turks could not get access to the supply channels of engines or technologies, Altai will still not go anywhere. And if you got it, why are these key data missing?
  20. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 26 2018 17: 22
    0
    Turks in tanks are weak, as their operation against the Kurds showed. Harness them heh heh! No tactics and experience!
    And these tanks .. hehe he’ll see!
    1. protoss
      protoss April 27 2018 00: 40
      0
      in afrin they seem to have lost only 2 tanks. so the losses are acceptable.
  21. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 April 26 2018 18: 39
    0
    fate like Arjun will have?
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 26 2018 20: 36
      +1
      Quote: Olegovi4
      fate like Arjun will have?

      worse) That at least drives))
  22. drunkram
    drunkram April 26 2018 20: 56
    0
    If you're lucky, you'll get better than cardboard leopards. As I understand it, the Ukrainians sent three letters with Rain and finished off their KAZ, just as they found where to buy the engine (German MTU)