Altai has finally gone. Turkey announced the start of serial production of a domestic tank

The process of developing and testing the first Turkish tank came to an end. The Turkish Ministry of Defense has announced the winner in a tender for serial production of Altay tanks, Warspot reports citing the portal defensenews.com.

The winner of the tender was the Turkish-Qatari company BMC, which won the contract for the development of the engine for the Altay tank in February of this year. The military department did not disclose the details of the transaction, while earlier it was stated that the first production batch would be 250 units, and it is planned to purchase about 1000 Altay tanks for the army.

We remind you that initially it was planned to sign a contract for serial production of the tank back in 2016, but because of the sanctions imposed on Turkey by the European Union, Austria refused to transfer the engine production technology to Ankara.

The tank's mass is 60 t, while it can reach speeds of up to 70 km / h. The car has a reservation system from Roketsan, as well as active fire protection and control systems developed by Aselsan. In addition, Altay tanks will be equipped with radiation and chemical threat detection systems. The cost of producing one unit is estimated at about $ 5,5 million, and about $ 500 million was spent on developing a new tank. According to the plans of the Turkish Defense Ministry, Altay tanks will have to be replaced by German Leopard 1A and Leopard 2A, as well as the American M48 and M60, which are in service Turkish army.

Comments

[vorobey]

Kurds are already rubbing their hands, and RPGs are lubricating ..

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Oh, we still need to place a tank division in Syria! Air defense and VKS needed business .. But the tank fist always sobered up many if our crews were there (descendants of those who took Berlin and broke Guderian’s tank armada!)

[vorobey]

Quote: MIKHAN

Oh, we still need a tank division in Syria

The tank is a desert ship ...

[bouncyhunter]

As I understood from the article, in February, only a tender was won for development of (and not production) engine for Altai. So it's too early for the Turks to dance and trumpet about launching in a series.

[Alex777]

Nobody except the Ukrainians offered the engine to them. The Koreans themselves can neither do the engine nor the transmission yet and are buying the German ones. Until there is clarity with the engine, there will be no mass production of Altayev. But the topic is not so simple.

[tekinoral]

Quote: Alex777

Nobody offered the engine to them except Ukrainians

The first 250 tanks will be with MTU, the RENK transmission, German, the contract was signed from the very beginning.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: tekinoral

The first 250 tanks will be with MTU

where are the firewood from? The Germans just sent the first Turks (MTU stood on two experimental cars - then a game over) Otherwise, why would dances with the search engine? Either with the Austrians, then with the Ukrainians, then almost in the USA they were going to buy, now the Koreans ...

[Alex777]

Koreans are the developers of the tank from which Altai is licked. And in Europe, all the Turks refused to supply, as you say.

[Alex777]

Thank you all, Altayev will not be at all:
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3177338.html

[lekalpan]

The fluff is German from Rheinmetall. The Germans do not really like the Turks. They can refuse to supply. Without fluff, it only plow fields.

[Observer2014]

vorobey (Sasha)

The tank is a desert ship ..

Well, as if in this case, Yes

[Hire]

And I, perhaps, wish the Turks good luck. It is visible to the naked eye that they want to get rid of the American military-industrial complex. I can only welcome this.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Hire

It is visible to the naked eye that they want to get rid of the American military-industrial complex.

Perhaps so, but ... whose gun is German? I think the dvigun is either German or mattress ... will they produce their own shells under the cannon?
Of course, the best test would be if the Turks in Altai came to our biathlon, and they would have looked.

[Hire]

Quote: NEXUS

... whose cannon? German. Dvigun think either German or mattress ..

Let it be German, French or Italian. But not American.

Quote: NEXUS

Of course, the best test would be if the Turks in Altai came to our biathlon, and they would have looked.

60 tons? He will not crawl to the finish line. That's when the category "over 55 tons" is introduced, then yes, we are asking for mercy.

[Alex777]

The Germans will not deliver anything to the Turks. They refused. In the original Korean tank, from which this "Turkish" Altai was stripped 95% - everything is German. And the gun, and the engine, and the transmission.

[Hire]

Quote: Alex777

The Germans will not deliver anything to the Turks.

Welcome to Yekaterinburg at "Plant No. 9".

[Alex777]

It was rumored that conversations were ongoing, but there was no confirmation.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Hire

Let it be German, French or Italian. But not American

Americans themselves put a German cannon on their tanks))

Quote: Hire

60 tons? He will not crawl to the finish line.

Abrams norms flies, by the way) And he has a carcass - about 60 is. It all depends on such an indicator as specific power)

[the most important]

Quote: NEXUS

Of course, the best test would be if the Turks in Altai came to our biathlon, and they would have looked.

No matter how they came to Aleppo to check it ... Although, I believe in the T-90MS! This is a great examiner for any tank! In 10 years, I think, in Syria there will be more than a thousand of our modern tanks.

[Safevi]

"Kurds are already rubbing their hands, and RPGs are lubricating."
If you have anyone to rub ..

[vorobey]

Quote: sefevi

"Kurds are already rubbing their hands, and RPGs are lubricating."
If you have anyone to rub ..

Americans will release ...

[Graz]

you're like a little, there will be just a guerrilla war, they will shoot in the back from every dark nook and cranny

[lekalpan]

There is an incubator in the north of Syria and Iraq. They will create as much as necessary.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: vorobey

Quote: MIKHAN

Oh, we still need a tank division in Syria

The tank is a desert ship ...

That's for sure !

Well, for the tank fist of Russia in Syria and not only! I believe he will be ..

[Corsair0304]

Quote: MIKHAN

Oh, we still need to place a tank division in Syria!

As I understand it, there are plenty of tanks there, only crews need to be thrown over. In general, anti-aircraft defense works well, and so on. Oncoming tank battles, we don’t need anything there ..

[Shura Sailors]

Yeah, and also for the brigade of the Airborne Forces and Marines + 'Yarsi + Damascus make the capital of the Russian Federation

[Vadim237]

Let them lubricate - for rent these tanks will go in series with active protection against RPGs and ATGMs.

[kapitan92]

Quote: vorobey

Kurds are already rubbing their hands, and RPGs are lubricating ..

With “dynamics” it is weighted from head to toe, but there is a question about active defense. It’s not on the video.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: kapitan92

but about active protection is a question.

for the Turks DZ for happiness, but you mean KAZ ..)) By the way, it is not on the T-90 either, so they are not alone in this world with their Altai

[gukoyan]

"Kurds are already rubbing their hands, and RPGs are lubricating .."

Did they tell you about this?
And why then didn’t they lubricate it before?

[vorobey]

Quote: gukoyan

"Kurds are already rubbing their hands, and RPGs are lubricating .."

Did they tell you about this?
And why then didn’t they lubricate it before?

and before that they lubricated when the Turkish M60 and 2 leopards burned ..

[lekalpan]

From RPG, you can only scratch the paint. In the best case, kill the gusl.

[impostor]

In their production, the Turks are dependent on Germans and Koreans, which in fact is not a gut

[Sergey985]

Well done anyway. They are trying to do it themselves.

[BZTM]

Import substitution in Turkish.

[Safevi]

"And where are the engines from?"
In fact, the Navy is not new to the market. It produces good buses and much more.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: sefevi

In fact, the Navy is not new to the market. It produces good buses and much more.

making buses doesn't mean being able to make engines. Making car engines doesn't mean being able to make a tank diesel. With the same success, one could say that AvtoVAZ also makes cars - let it bang us a tank diesel)) Is it funny? .. So I

[impostor]

In fact, the Turks themselves do not have much there, Mona say a fairly localized assembly, but nothing more. This, of course, is greatly exaggerated, but the Turks do not have a tank building school, which side do not go

[Don]

Quote: Sergey985

Well done anyway. They are trying to do it themselves.

Absolutely right. The Germans do not want to sell their new tanks to the Turks, the Americans are not going smoothly either, so the Turks do not have much choice. And they created their Altai on the basis of one of the best tanks in the world, the South Korean K 2

[impostor]

Now, if the be based on Turkish - hell yes, and as if the St. Petersburg Toyota

[Zaurbek]

The South Koreans themselves are dependent in their components on the Germans.

[Graz]

therefore, the company and the right one, through Qatar, and even through a few more intermediaries, will most likely buy weapons and engines, it is clear that nothing will come of them with the production of dviguns

[Zaurbek]

MTU does not .... they do not give a license purely in the commercial interest. Altai is a direct competitor to Leo 2A5-7. This tank will primarily compete with NATO tanks for the Arab market. And the tank was designed by the Koreans precisely under the diesel + MTU box. To equip even an American or English or French power unit, you need to shovel all MTOs. I am already silent about permission and the desire to help the Turks from these countries. Maybe even a Ukrainian diesel can be delivered somehow?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Zaurbek

Maybe even a Ukrainian diesel can be delivered somehow?

But is he, a Ukrainian diesel then? He was only seen as a layout

[Zaurbek]

Well, what are they putting on their tanks (Ukrainian)?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Zaurbek

Well, what are they putting on their tanks (Ukrainian)?

So which tanks? On the T-64/72/80? Those engines will not pull a 60-ton wild boar (he is now 60 tons, then he’ll recover). Turks need an engine of more than 1200 mares, preferably 1500 in general. But this is only in the layout for Ukrainians.

[tekinoral]

At the moment, from the Germans, from the Koreans not!

[impostor]

Formally, the development and technical support are over, the technical and technological documentation of the Turks, that is, partly you are right, but if a serious jamb comes out during the operation, and the Turks themselves do not have a tank-building school, do you think they will turn to Hyundai or not?

[protoss]

you are rushing with this "tank-building school". Turkey is a completely industrial country, so that, having the necessary documentation, production facilities and financing, it can rivet almost any product, and the tanks here are no different from bulldozers or lawn mowers.

[impostor]

If your lawnmower mows the lawn is not as clean as the neighbor - it does not matter. But if the MBT riveted by you on the 10th shot is left without an automatic loader, your women will not keep up with the birth of your tank army

[Sergey985]

Why quote? As a result, they seemed to be deleted, but it still remained.

[vorobey]

Quote: Sergey985

Why quote? As a result, they seemed to be deleted, but it still remained.

stupid ...

[impostor]

This stopudova is directly related to the mixture of Black Panther and Leopard (Altay), right?

[Equalized]

And where are the engines from? they were not sold diesel technology. They tried to buy everywhere, even in the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Somehow I can’t believe that they solved the problem so quickly.

[mvg]

Not sold to Turkey, will be sold to Qatar. Therefore, the joint venture with the Araps won the contract .. There will be a MTU883 license, because you have been honing it.

[Heterocapsa]

The video was not impressive, neither shooting nor action was shown.

[nikoliski]

For that kind of money, they could buy a T-90 with a full body kit (Arena E) DZ Relic and other gadgets

[Corsair0304]

Quote: nikoliski

For that kind of money, they could buy a T-90 with a full body kit (Arena E) DZ Relic and other gadgets

Could of course, but Erdogan wants to have his own, independent of other countries. It seems that he pulled the development for money, now let's see how the car behaves. In any case, they will run in in combat conditions.

[gukoyan]

Here's another ... These scammers also sell T-90 for tomatoes ...
One is already selling SU-35 for palm oil.

[Spike Javelin Touvich]

BMC is not bad at all

[Spike Javelin Touvich]

here's another truck

[brigadier]

We run around like that.

[Alexey-74]

I think Altai Turkish is a hodgepodge of technologies from different countries .... we followed the example of the Chinese. The Turks do not have their own technologies ... yet. And you can say anything you like, but in fact there will be so many more tweaks and remodels ....... The United States also trumpeted and promoted its Abrams as the best tank in the world ... and what?

[zoolu350]

I hope the indicated wunderwaffle will burn no worse than its progenitor Leopard-2.

[Safevi]

"I hope the specified prodigy will burn no worse"
And what good is it for you? Will they hang a medal on the neck or put a candy in your pocket? There is nothing to write about, just to shake the air

[zoolu350]

For the Su-24 and Su-25, as well as our pilots.

[Altona]

The names of the Turks are interesting - Altai (tank), Baikal (machine tool equipment), Dzheyran (automobile axes and components). Do you catch associations?

[himRa]

Quote: Altona

The names of the Turks are interesting - Altai (tank), Baikal (machine tool equipment), Dzheyran (automobile axes and components). Do you catch associations?

There are no hints and there cannot be ... ancient Turkic words ... from the fact that they are in the territory of modern Russia they will not become .... Russian birch ...
There is a good dialogue between Kazakh and Russian before the fight in the film "28 Panfilov" I recommend to watch ...
For example, as a Tatar, I understand the conversation on the radio:
Altai ike - Altai Bir
Altai2-Altai1
One could talk about reverse association since these names are primary for us!

[garnik]

Nostalgia for lost lands. But they promise to return.

[tekinoral]

Quote: garnik

Nostalgia for lost lands. But they promise to return.

Without a penny garnik in any way, but can someone's surname life?

[garnik]

http://cherkesleaks.ru/glavnoe/realnye-agressii-v
irtualnogo-turana /
The first thing I found was a .Cherkess site.

[nikoliski]

Rather, the Greeks then let them drive these deserts back to their steppes (and return Constantinople)

[Babur_Imperat]

This people lives on a huge part of the planet, starting from the Far East and ending with the Mediterranean lands. The descendants of the proud steppe people now live in North America, Western Europe, China and even on the islands of Australia. But wherever these people are, they always remember where their roots came from.

The very word "Turk" is translated as "strong, strong." That is what this people is - courageous, free and strong.

[Corsair0304]

Looks like Erdogan finally got addicted to enemies / allies in MBT. It’s high time, because there is nothing to feed the economy of those who impose sanctions on your country .. Ours would not hurt to listen too.
But still - a little expensive car, a little expensive ...

[_Jack_]

where did the engine come from so quickly? Or are they just going to develop it? then they will wait for a few more years, such engines are not developed quickly

[protoss]

maybe they stupidly copy German. slightly modified so that there are no claims for rights and that’s it.

[Mih1974]

That everyone is so rested on the engine, can someone explain - where did the metallurgy of armor steel come from in Turkey? Or how in the ukrovermaht armor with metal from the chopped railway tank?

[_Jack_]

it’s all Korean technology, the whole tank is there from the world, but Europe refused to deliver the engine to them at the last moment, they rushed about in search of the engine, and then all of a sudden “went”, misunderstanding with the engine

[Heterocapsa]

something tells me that in the photo and video different tanks or optical illusion?

[tuts]

didn’t the inventors hear about rational tilt angles of armor?

[Zaurbek]

The tank is relatively modern. type T-90SM. But the path to localization among the Turks is much longer.

[vorobey]

Quote: Zaurbek

But the path to localization among the Turks is much longer.

and accordingly more expensive ...

[Zaurbek]

If sanctions like at least Russian are imposed, the project will be hacked.

[Zaurbek]

T-90SM is also not cheap ....

[raw174]

Judging by the hunting weapons, the product is not very ... Altay five-shotgun lives 200-300 shots, then it is no longer a shotgun, but a product for decorating the hut ... From the experience of a comrade with whom we often hunted together.

[san4es]

The tank was named “Altay” in honor of General Fakhrettin Altai, who commanded the V cavalry corps, parts of which during the Turkish War of Independence in 1919-1923. liberated the city of Izmir from the Greek troops The Altai tank uses the modern modular automated fire control system (LMS) Volkan-lll or National Cannon, originally developed for the TAKS naval platforms.
Crew, person: 4
Developer: Turkey Otokar (lead developer)
Republic of Korea Hyundai Rotem (technical support)
Manufacturer: Turkey Savunma Sanayii Mustesarligi
Years of development: 2007 - 2017
Years of production: since 2020 (plan)
Number of issued, pcs .: 4 prototypes
Tank weight - 60 tons
- body Length, mm: 7735
- Length with gun forward, mm: 10 307
- housing width, mm: 3972
- Height, mm: 2640
- Type of armor: combined protivosnaryadny
weaponry
- Caliber and brand of gun: 120 mm MKEK120
- gun type: smoothbore
- barrel length, calibres: 55
- gun ammunition: 57
- Machine guns: 1 × 7,62 mm; 1 × 12,7 mm
- engine type: diesel
- Engine power, l. c .: 1500
Tank speed Altai
- Speed ​​on the highway, km / h: 70
- Cruising on the highway, km: 500
- The overcome wall, m: 1,0
- The overcome ditch, m: 2,8
- Overcoming ford, m: 1,2 (4,1 with OPVT)
http://oruzhie.info/tanki/817-altaj

[sib.ataman]

Everyone once has the first tank, the first plane, the first ball! .. And you will have a lot of points before going to the dog! (advertising)

[Mentat]

Where is the main information: which engine and transmission? Germany refused them, Korea refused, whose units? If the Turks could not get access to the supply channels of engines or technologies, Altai will still not go anywhere. And if you got it, why are these key data missing?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Turks in tanks are weak, as their operation against the Kurds showed. Harness them heh heh! No tactics and experience!
And these tanks .. hehe he’ll see!

[protoss]

in afrin they seem to have lost only 2 tanks. so the losses are acceptable.

[Olegovi4]

fate like Arjun will have?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Olegovi4

fate like Arjun will have?

worse) That at least drives))

[drunkram]

If you're lucky, you'll get better than cardboard leopards. As I understand it, the Ukrainians sent three letters with Rain and finished off their KAZ, just as they found where to buy the engine (German MTU)