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US offered Russia to use their spacesuits at the lunar station

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American experts have offered to use their spacesuits instead of Russian "Orlans" to exit open space from near the lunar station, the project of which is currently being developed, reports RIA News.




“Russia and the United States in September 2017 signed an agreement of intent on the creation of the near-moon station Deep Space Gateway. Recently, the project name was changed to the Lunar Orbital Platform - Gateway. According to preliminary agreements, Russia can manufacture a lock chamber for crew exits into open space, ”reminds the agency.

Construction of the station is scheduled to begin in 2022. It is expected that the Russian compartment will be attached to it in 2024 year. In mid-April, an international technical standards meeting was held in the United States, during which the plant specifications were discussed.

The point is that it is proposed to carry out spacewalks from the Russian gateway in American space suits,
told a source in the rocket and space industry.

According to him, “the partners are forcing Russia to create a lock module for US standards, and, accordingly, for new suits being developed in the US, intended for use on flights to the Moon.”

The Americans explained this demand, “in Russia, the creation of lunar spacesuits is not being conducted now, and keeping two different sets on the small near-moon station is irrational.”

Accordingly, with the use of American spacesuits, the systems for providing spacewalk should also be made for US equipment,
clarified the source.

The publication reminds that in January 2018, the intention of Russia was announced to offer their spacesuits for astronauts and astronauts. The prototype could be the last generation Orlan spacesuit, which is currently used on the ISS. At the same time, the executive director of Roskosmos for manned programs, Sergey Krikalyov, then clarified that “the systems of the Russian airlock compartment must be universal and adapted for work in the Russian and American space vestments”.
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr April 23 2018 16: 09
    +8
    The Americans are imposing their point of view. I’m in charge here and will be in my opinion.
    1. Guillon
      Guillon April 23 2018 16: 12
      +28
      This is not in line with our national interests! am
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN April 23 2018 16: 17
        +21
        Quote: Gillaton
        This is not in line with our national interests! am

        Only "Adidas" to the extreme "Nike" ... laughing tongue yes
        1. bulvas
          bulvas April 23 2018 16: 20
          +10
          hi
          Quote: NIKNN
          Only "Adidas" to the extreme "Nike" ...


          Americans push Timberland, it’s hard to disagree with them
          laughing

          Quote: _Ugene_
          Or maybe her, such a cooperation? Then something else will come to their mind, they will impose sanctions here and will be left without the lunar program at all.


          they seem to push their standard standards like other, the voltage is 120 V (it seems), in short, they press so that everyone then buys their equipment

          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter April 23 2018 16: 28
            +12
            Vasya, you don’t give mattresses to mattresses! And then they, like those rodents in a joke, will begin to attach the veranda. 220 volts to them in the socket - and all for a short time! negative
            1. bulvas
              bulvas April 23 2018 16: 30
              +2
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              Vasya, you don’t give mattresses to mattresses! And then they, like those rodents in a joke, will begin to attach the veranda. 220 volts to them in the socket - and all for a short time! negative


              Or, as we at school disrupted physics lessons - a two-wire cable to a power outlet
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter April 23 2018 16: 32
                +5
                Quote: bulvas
                two-wire cable

                Note: I did not suggest it! But you understood my hint correctly. drinks I hope we are read on the ISS and NASA. bully
                1. bulvas
                  bulvas April 23 2018 16: 34
                  +3
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  I hope we are read on the ISS and NASA.


                  NASA most likely will not understand, this logic is not for their mind, unless our former specialists will explain
                  bully

                  And ours themselves know soldier

                  and to hell with them, we can’t think for them all here, as E.Ya. Satanovsky, not our salary issues

                  drinks
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter April 23 2018 16: 37
                    +4
                    Quote: bulvas
                    as E.Ya. says Satanovsky, not our salary issues

                    I respect both Satanovsky himself and these his words! drinks Let those with stars on shoulder straps and stripes on their pants larger than ours answer. wink And we can only speculate.
                    1. Tatar 174
                      Tatar 174 April 23 2018 18: 02
                      +8
                      Everyone remembers how they invented a fountain pen for space for a million greens, and ours used an ordinary simple pencil, so let them put on their own suits, and our engineers will make it easier, more reliable and cheaper.
                      1. andj61
                        andj61 April 23 2018 19: 21
                        +9
                        Quote: Tartar 174
                        Everyone remembers how they invented a fountain pen for space for a million greens, and ours used an ordinary simple pencil, so let them put on their own suits, and our engineers will make it easier, more reliable and cheaper.

                        And why do we need a joint near-moon station? Russia has repeatedly stated that they will not participate in the new ISS project, and what will the station near the moon give us? It’s clear for Americans - they need cabs, but what do we need from them?
                        It is better to cooperate with China and India, and let the US use a trampoline on the advice of Rogozin before creating its own ship! bully hi
                      2. Vasyan1971
                        Vasyan1971 April 23 2018 20: 35
                        +2
                        Quote: Tatar 174
                        Everyone remembers how they invented a fountain pen for space for a million greens, and ours used a simple pencil

                        Alas. This is just an "urban legend." Gourmet for us, but still a legend.
                        : //pikabu.ru/story/legenda_o_kosmicheskoy_ruchke_
                        5296201
                        And by the way, Americans are still sickly babosy on this subject raise.
                      3. TiRex
                        TiRex April 24 2018 03: 00
                        0
                        Tatar, do not repeat the idiots about the pencil and pen, read better the documentary literature, although you yourself will not seem like an idiot ...
              2. Yura Yakovlev
                Yura Yakovlev April 23 2018 17: 21
                +5
                "Or, as we at school pulled physics lessons - a wire into a socket at two ends"

                In this case, you immediately need to change the electrical plugs, and look for the culprits. But if you screw the bulb into the cartridge through a wet slip, then the task becomes more difficult, even for a professional electrician.
                1. bulvas
                  bulvas April 23 2018 19: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: Yura Yakovlev
                  But if you screw the bulb into the cartridge through a wet slip, then the task becomes more difficult, even for a professional electrician.

                  hi
                  We already had fluorescent lamps
            2. not main
              not main April 23 2018 22: 02
              +1
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              Vasya, you don’t give mattresses to mattresses! And then they, like those rodents in a joke, will begin to attach the veranda. 220 volts to them in the socket - and all for a short time! negative

              Easy! Just cut the zero wire!
        2. Sergey985
          Sergey985 April 23 2018 16: 21
          0
          I mean, will there be Chinese spacesuits?
        3. Serge Gorely
          Serge Gorely April 23 2018 16: 25
          +4
          Why do they need Russia? Great Ukraine will help them!
          1. Russia
            Russia April 23 2018 16: 30
            +5
            It’s somehow unusual in someone else’s skin, it’s not our way. And our astronauts will run away from this know-how from the squad. smile
      2. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik April 23 2018 16: 31
        +14
        Knowing the Yankees somehow there is a feeling that we are bred again like hamsters at the feeding trough! negative
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter April 23 2018 17: 41
          +2
          Quote: Major Yurik
          Knowing the Yankees somehow there is a feeling that we are bred again like hamsters at the feeding trough! negative

          Yuri! hi I beg you: there is nothing reprehensible in potato pancakes. Now, if you were invited to the ottrans, bullies or otters - then oh! wink lol
          1. Major Yurik
            Major Yurik April 23 2018 17: 53
            +3
            Hello Paul! hi I love Belarusian draniki very, just linguistically in Russian, is alarming, or maybe it's all about sad thoughts about the dishonesty of the fucking "partners"! (They will be mentioned not by night)! laughing
      3. 210ox
        210ox April 23 2018 16: 49
        +3
        It does not correspond to our interests that ours will eventually agree. For there is nothing to offer us, like.
        Quote: Gillaton
        This is not in line with our national interests! am
        1. Mih1974
          Mih1974 April 24 2018 02: 34
          0
          But we must offer the Americans a "pink stump" - break the "intention to enter" and leave to agree on a joint project with the Chinese. tongue good
          After that, on the lunar program of mattresses - they will obviously put a big and fat cross
    2. Chertt
      Chertt April 23 2018 16: 29
      +15
      The construction of the station is scheduled to begin in 2022. It is expected that the Russian compartment will be attached to it in 2024

      This is a practical joke !!! What a girl. What a ball !! We have a war of sanctions with the United States. For us and our Syrian allies Tomahawks mock !!! And we are jointly building a near-moon station, and we argue about the suits ??. Wonderful things are your Lord
      1. bald
        bald April 23 2018 16: 52
        +5
        Well, as they say, war is war, and lunch is scheduled. The main thing is that they don’t sprinkle on our plate. And since they are gathered, you need to do your own thing. And then it will turn out, as with that toilet on the ISS.
        1. Chertt
          Chertt April 23 2018 17: 06
          +1
          Quote: bald
          The main thing is that they don’t sprinkle on our plate.

          Swam, we know. Anglo-Saxons are famous chemists. Litvinenko, Doping, Squeaking, etc. Russian representatives now even greet "Western partners" with a chemical test and a radioactivity sensor in their pocket.
      2. midivan
        midivan April 23 2018 22: 17
        +3
        Quote: Chertt
        This is a practical joke !!! What a girl. What a ball !! We have a war of sanctions with the United States.

        But can we, for example, take and stop? We can. The only question is that you need to weigh the pros and cons. We are ready to fulfill any decision that the president will make, but for now, I say again, and the president proceeds from the same thought: space must remain out of politics
        - said Rogozin, answering the corresponding question of the RBC journalist. (April 17, 2018 right here on the website. News) The wonderful times have come, the Lord himself in akher, someone sheds blood, and who with the enemy thinks loot, but it seems like one family has a corresponding saying. request
    3. svp67
      svp67 April 23 2018 16: 32
      +7
      Quote: oleg-gr
      I am in charge here and will be in my opinion.

      So the way it is. And the spacesuits on this issue are “the tip of the iceberg,” they generally insist that Russia build its module according to NASA standards, and this is very problematic for us, so I won’t be surprised that there will be TWO stations, NASA and its partners, and Sino-Russian.
      1. Nelepost
        Nelepost April 23 2018 16: 58
        +4
        Everything is being done to ensure that Roscosmos then transfers all the technical documentation on the modules and everything else, since the project is joint, and the United States will not have to invest hundreds of millions of dollars and spend 10 years on development :). Soon we will design NATO military equipment for the United States, and they will produce it. However, that was almost what happened after the 90s.
      2. Mih1974
        Mih1974 April 24 2018 02: 42
        0
        Forgive me, but in this case - I put it in Russian-Chinese, my mattresses will definitely break, burn, bend, or even get up through the anus ..
    4. Maz
      Maz April 23 2018 21: 46
      0
      Delirium, excuse me, their spacesuits are sewn in Russian workshops and from our materials. American on it only flag patch
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 April 24 2018 02: 44
        0
        Will you log in? The mattresses are trying to get their suit in, which, although more convenient, is our universal ones and they are dressed with one person !! good
    5. StVahmistr
      StVahmistr April 24 2018 09: 40
      0
      The Americans are imposing their point of view. I’m in charge here and will be in my opinion.
      American experts suggested using their spacesuits instead of the Russian Orlanes to exit open space from near the lunar station, a project of which is currently being developed
      Maybe I don’t understand something? Or did Van Allen’s radiation belt disappear somewhere? Maybe the mattresses came up with a spacesuit that will protect against the very radiation? fool
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  2. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ April 23 2018 16: 11
    +7
    Or maybe her, such a cooperation? Then something else will come to their mind, they will impose sanctions here and will be left without the lunar program at all.
  3. solzh
    solzh April 23 2018 16: 12
    +4
    We have our own equipment and spacesuits. T.ch. no, thanks.
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 23 2018 16: 52
      +2
      Your lips .. But there are other considerations.
      Quote: solzh
      We have our own equipment and spacesuits. T.ch. no, thanks.
  4. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa April 23 2018 16: 13
    +1
    we have our own trampolines to help you.
  5. bogart047
    bogart047 April 23 2018 16: 14
    0
    if so, then really, why?
  6. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov April 23 2018 16: 16
    +17
    Let's move on to their standard, destroy our eagle! This must not be allowed!
    Either the gateway is universal or designed only for our spacesuit!
    And let them go through the forest! with...
    1. bogart047
      bogart047 April 23 2018 18: 39
      0
      There are many examples of taking the standard from other countries. And there is nothing wrong with that. How much hemorrhoids due to ruts ... In computers, standards have all been American for a long time, so what? It makes no sense to rest in order to show the character ... it's childish.
    2. urman
      urman April 23 2018 21: 24
      +2
      Quote: Igor Polovodov
      Let's move on to their standard, destroy our eagle

      So it was infa several years ago that our Eagles are more convenient and practical than the state ones.
      Why climb into them not comfortable?
      They still cannot make their toilet.
  7. Masya masya
    Masya masya April 23 2018 16: 16
    +9
    Actually, we have import substitution, and let them test their spacesuits on their astronauts ... wink
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 23 2018 17: 52
      +8
      Quote: Masya Masya
      Actually, we have import substitution, and let them test their spacesuits on their astronauts ... wink

      And on his moon where Armstrong flew ... lol
  8. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 23 2018 16: 18
    +9
    If you consider that even the existing "Orlanes" are much better than the Amersan ones, and plan to do something on their basis, then it is better to advise the Amersans to fly to orbit and to the Moon independently. Without our engines and technologies. Trampoline to help them.

    And by the way: "According to him," partners are forcing Russia to create a gateway module to American standards, and, accordingly, to the new spacesuits being developed in the US, designed for use on flights to the moon. " So I won’t be surprised if their suits will be the same story as with Fu-35. Both in price and quality.
    1. Yura Yakovlev
      Yura Yakovlev April 23 2018 17: 14
      +6
      And by the way: "According to him," partners are forcing Russia to create a gateway module to American standards "

      This is the whole hitch. They cannot create their normal gateway module, they want us to do this, but by their standards. Then all this will be appropriated to itself based on its standards. Do we need this?
  9. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 April 23 2018 16: 19
    +4
    At least this is not patriotic. We have everything of our own.
  10. Smoked
    Smoked April 23 2018 16: 19
    +7
    Isn't it time to change the lunar partners to the Chinese?
    1. Antokha
      Antokha April 23 2018 17: 51
      +6
      It’s not time, and there will be no time. It's time to do everything ourselves.
  11. mavrus
    mavrus April 23 2018 16: 21
    +3
    Funny guys, these mattresses ... They even boil a space vacuum. Or is it already sanctions, "do not let the station in Russian spacesuits." So why to cooperate with them at all?
  12. NEXUS
    NEXUS April 23 2018 16: 28
    +2
    Accordingly, with the use of American spacesuits, the systems for providing spacewalk should also be made for US equipment,

    Firstly, why did the mattresses decide that such a spacesuit is not being developed?
    And secondly, why not do it the other way around? Do you need to ensure spacewalk systems for Russian spacesuits? In other words, isn’t it easier to create a semblance of adapters and adapters for both systems?
  13. prior
    prior April 23 2018 16: 32
    +4
    American Hollywood begins filming a new series: "Americans on the Moon 2.0".
    Russian extras are invited to shoot.
  14. Dead duck
    Dead duck April 23 2018 16: 36
    +5
    American experts have proposed using their spacesuits instead of the Russian Orlan

    Such, perhaps? laughing

    If you agree, then only on such repeat
  15. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya April 23 2018 16: 38
    +2
    It is more rational if the gateway and other bells and whistles to it will be universal - any spacesuit dressed and went out to smoke))
  16. Bypassed
    Bypassed April 23 2018 16: 42
    0
    I’m embarrassed to ask - what is it - will everything be in inches?
    Where is the Rogozin superheavy trampoline, what would you shoot your station into space to the moon?
    It looks like Russian space is already at the bottom and is beginning to dig
  17. cedar
    cedar April 23 2018 16: 42
    +4
    If the States do not recapture their sovereignty, we will run errands not only on Earth, but also in Space ...
    See the root. Sovereignty. Russia. Putin!
  18. 1536
    1536 April 23 2018 16: 44
    0
    Such are the "partners". All scientific and technological achievements were pumped out of the Russian space research institutes and design bureaus, and now the Russians were not needed. Come on, bye, what’s called. In Chinese telescopes, we will see how Americans, Europeans and Chinese will master the moon.
  19. bamsik
    bamsik April 23 2018 16: 45
    +2
    but I heard that suits are made individually for each .... I could be wrong
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 April 24 2018 02: 47
      +1
      American - yes, Russian - universal with the ability to fit into any astronaut (within reason.
  20. Whisper
    Whisper April 23 2018 16: 53
    +1
    Consider their proposal is necessary. As Indians, one must do the same. And so, go through the forest .... and then yours, you do not even need to look into our forest!
  21. serg123
    serg123 April 23 2018 16: 55
    +2
    The Americans spent a ton of money on creating pens for writing in space :) Ours used pencils. Cheap and practical. What is it that the Americans created that they consider our spacesuits to be bad? Apparently "green."
    1. Pan_hrabio
      Pan_hrabio April 23 2018 17: 08
      +6
      It is amazing how enduring such myths are ... Americans, like Soviet cosmonauts, used pencils at the beginning. They are mechanical, Soviet - wax. The problem is that both of them, when used, inevitably clog the air with flying particles, threatening, for example, a short circuit of the electronics in zero gravity. And then for completely different purposes, a private company developed a pen that can write in any conditions. Well, NASA bought a wholesale batch of these pens for $ 2,39 / piece. So they didn’t spend any millions on development.

      By the way, the pen is called the Fisher Space Pen and anyone can buy it for themselves.
    2. Cyril732017
      Cyril732017 April 23 2018 17: 18
      0
      Do you also believe that they write with pencil in space? :)
      https://shkolazhizni.ru/world/articles/22717/
  22. igorserg
    igorserg April 23 2018 16: 57
    0
    own shirt closer to the body ... and there is nothing to fall into dependence on Amer standards ... we were already there.
  23. Zubr
    Zubr April 23 2018 16: 59
    +3
    And then they interrupted. But they know very well that our "Orlan" is more convenient and better. Let yourself build a transitional gateway with a pantry for your spacesuits. Again, they want to vparit us.
  24. san4es
    san4es April 23 2018 17: 02
    +2
    American experts have proposed using their spacesuits instead of the Russian "Orlan" for spacewalks soldier
  25. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 23 2018 17: 04
    +7
    It’s good if Russians and Americans are together
    will land on the moon in one crew.
    It would be great if they examined together
    Apollo landing sites and took a picture in the background
    American flags and put next to the Russian.
    And they would take a picture near the Soviet moon rover too.
    This would build trust between countries.
    1. den3080
      den3080 April 23 2018 17: 24
      0
      First, Jews are obliged to go there!
    2. Mestny
      Mestny April 23 2018 17: 40
      -1
      Here is my word, I agree. This is significantly better than an arms race.
    3. Aqr009
      Aqr009 April 23 2018 17: 50
      0
      ... if they together examined the Apollo landing sites ...

      ... and they took spades with them.
    4. Mstivoy
      Mstivoy April 23 2018 19: 06
      +1
      Only after the Bretton Woods dollar system crashes, and for now, the whole Anglo-Saxon world should "go away and shut up."
    5. APASUS
      APASUS April 23 2018 19: 20
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      It’s good if Russians and Americans are together
      will land on the moon in one crew.
      It would be great,

      Oh, and I have doubts. The Americans even seem to be in such a matter independent of politics, trying to impose their decision. Although if it is like with the ISS, then it is not surprising. The Americans pay and order music.
  26. Valerevich
    Valerevich April 23 2018 17: 08
    0
    Already learned to overcome Van Allen’s belt?
    1. G A_2
      G A_2 April 23 2018 17: 22
      +1
      Quote: Valerevich
      Already learned to overcome Van Allen’s belt?

      Enough with this belt. His Soviet turtles overcame and returned in perfect order
  27. igorserg
    igorserg April 23 2018 17: 08
    0
    :) from the point of view of operational safety, they are right ... if what happens with one lock compartment, then you can always use another ... therefore, you need to pass them your standard, your lock system and your spacesuit. Or just like the salute apollo docking system was developed by joint forces, so here to develop a common system to suit the spacesuit wallpaper.
  28. dgonni
    dgonni April 23 2018 17: 19
    +1
    As for me? That is, you need to make a universal gateway for the possibility of exiting and entering spacesuits of both types. Maybe Maltz is more expensive, but more promising. Competition, it is such a thing that hosh is not hosh, and if there is an option other than yours, then no matter how hard you bend the price!
    1. den3080
      den3080 April 23 2018 17: 26
      0
      And rightly so, if some alien guests suddenly ... and the gateway is not universal
  29. Mestny
    Mestny April 23 2018 17: 26
    -2
    Quote: svp67
    And the spacesuits on this issue are “the tip of the iceberg,” they generally insist that Russia build its module according to NASA standards, and this is very problematic for us, so I won’t be surprised that there will be TWO stations, NASA and its partners, and Sino-Russian.

    In order for Russia to build according to these standards, all technical documentation must be transferred.
    Then, based on it, make the necessary changes and improvements.
    NASA's standards for station construction are not so bad - just look at the size of the ISS US segment.
    Why not combine the two projects, take our best and the best from them?
    1. VVK_VDB
      VVK_VDB April 23 2018 17: 38
      -1
      well, it’s possible from trust. Does it exist?
  30. anjey
    anjey April 23 2018 17: 35
    +1
    Accordingly, with the use of American spacesuits, the systems for providing spacewalk should also be made for US equipment,
    Nothing new, everything is the same as on the earth - the dominant domination of the United States in everything, this is unacceptable for one of the most leading countries in space research and flights, initially “making a bit” of dependence on the United States is counterproductive and as always fraught with consequences ...., so and the word-sanctions revolves on its edge ... laughing
  31. allegro
    allegro April 23 2018 17: 37
    +1
    one cannot agree to this in any case, otherwise we will lose our base of production and development of our spacesuits, and not only them, they want us here to be dependent on them, but in general it is better to have our own station, as it was in the good old times where we will be our own masters
  32. Yura
    Yura April 23 2018 17: 41
    +1
    Hello everyone, men remembered one thing, our first Salyut orbital stations have been flying since 1971, there were 7 of them in all, Cosmos was still in 1973, then there were stations we won't talk about now. In 1973, the Americans flew the first and only Skylab station. In 1975, if I was not mistaken, the Soyuz-Apollo program was implemented, by this time 6 stations (one of which unfortunately did not enter orbit) were launched into space by us. During the preparation during which the docking unit needed to be unified either by us or by them, the Americans after showing them ours found it more suitable, simple and reliable and, moreover, repeatedly tested in real conditions, and as a result, it was on their Apollo and implemented. The program was, in principle, very good, if only by discarding all sorts of political and other things, it would allow us to take part in saving the cosmonauts in orbit in the future, if necessary, and it doesn’t matter who our Americans are in trouble. And then they begin to fool us, we hope that the Americans understand - the general programs for the exploration and study of space are not for making money - this is only later, the general programs for joint cognition.
    1. dgonni
      dgonni April 23 2018 17: 49
      +1
      The question is not in the docking station! They are unified over many years. The question is the nodes of the spacewalk. And there their quirks in the form of spacesuits and fittings for their accession, well, I.T.D. As for me, it should be universal. If you want to go to space in Rassia, you want to go to the state. Although this does not cancel the excess hemorrhoids, but at least there will be competition!
      1. Yura
        Yura April 23 2018 18: 23
        0
        Quote: dgonni
        The question is the nodes of the spacewalk.

        Yes, you're right, I did not fully comprehend this moment. Damn in vain only koment wrote, off topic turned out.
    2. viralig
      viralig April 23 2018 18: 20
      +1
      Let us, in order, what was - it was. Since that time, the International appeared, and the World didn’t completely burn out, and what technologies they stole from there, along with stolen technologies from the collapse of the USSR. So the construction of a hub near the moon is quite a solvable task. That's just the cost of it all. In view of the latest trends in increasing the military budget, breaking the agreement on the joint construction of the hub will be at least stupid (for many reasons, you need to tell me the kama, I will give it separately). And as Americans know, great PR managers, and believe me, if Ross cosmos agrees to use their spacesuits, this will give +1 to the karma of amers - they’ll shout about it on every corner. So Ross should think about the appropriateness of making this decision, or saving a budget (throwing less cargo into orbit), or developing his spacesuit based on Orlan (because this is not suitable for a lunar station due to the higher level of radiation and a number of other reasons (in particular landing on the moon itself)) and develop a compartment for the ability to use two types of spacesuits. In my opinion, there shouldn’t be any problems with on-board catering, because - the station uses constant voltage and this issue has long been unified in the process of developing the International, if, as always, the Americans do not start to show off, and begin to invent all kinds of garbage. I’m more interested in what China will say in this matter. It seems that China is trying to cling to this issue too - to build a hub.
      As a result, it is better to have your own - and the development of new technologies, and amers indicate their place, and again prestige. Yes, additional financial investments will go, both for development and for delivery to the moon. But these are trifles in comparison with reputational losses.
      1. Yura
        Yura April 23 2018 18: 37
        0
        Quote: viralig
        In the end, it’s better to have your own - and the development of new technologies, and amers indicate their place,
        In principle, I agree with you, for almost 100, but space is a very expensive thing, and then, what except the USA, there are no others. The same China, part of the CIS countries, Brazil, and you never know how many countries could be involved in the project.
        1. viralig
          viralig April 23 2018 18: 57
          +1
          Yuri is the same agreement between Russia and China on a joint exploration of deep space. That's why I remembered about China. And to keep such an orbit of the moon, even for the United States is costly, because of this they do not want to break this agreement in the first place. And there are not many players in this direction, and the most active are Russia, the USA and China, and then the geyop and somewhere close to India and Japan. Do not consider the CIS, for Kazakhstan in this matter is deprived of a stick in the wheel (remember the same Protons and permission to launch them), Belarus is generally zero without a stick because the level of space technology is lower than in the USSR, in my opinion even that electronics for missions to Venus, what they did in Belarus in the USSR, they will not be able to repeat, for both technology and the school have been lost. The last thing I saw was in 1997 a brochure about the production of microchips for space related to the effect of cosmic radiation on it. Alas, even the authors of this no longer exist. Brazil has quite a few other problems - they even have no aviation, and there can be no question of other countries.
  33. Antokha
    Antokha April 23 2018 17: 50
    0
    Why are we even working with them again? Again on the same rake. We need some kind of vaccination against worshiping America and the desire to cooperate with it.
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan April 23 2018 18: 02
      +2
      Russian cosmonautics is almost dead. Collaboration with the Americans saved her in the 90s. from complete collapse. Now the situation is the same.
      1. tracer
        tracer April 23 2018 19: 02
        0
        Is the patient alive rather than dead?
        1. Ronald Reagan
          Ronald Reagan April 23 2018 20: 04
          +1
          The patient is alive, but obviously the best years are already behind. Locomotive in space exploration - USA. The rest of the state in the role of catching up. DSG is a Russian chance to stay in the locomotive, not in the tail. The loss of Americans for growing up. astronautics will be catastrophic, namely: 1) loss of orders; 2) loss of the ISS (it is almost completely American); 3) the moon and Mars can be forgotten; 4) Selling the remaining technology to China, as well as a brain drain there. Ultimately, everything can lead to a couple of military launches per year. request
  34. LVMI1980
    LVMI1980 April 23 2018 17: 54
    0
    Americans are completely overgrown
  35. AleBors
    AleBors April 23 2018 18: 01
    +1
    But is it time to curtail cooperation in this, and not only in this program? And the question will be solved by itself.
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan April 23 2018 18: 06
      0
      Easier to finish than restore? laughing
  36. Rostislav
    Rostislav April 23 2018 18: 23
    0
    What are the joint projects in space ?!
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  38. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN April 23 2018 18: 58
    +3
    Gosspodi .. Yes, it was Russia that made the spacesuit all the way ... For the Americans as well. I can be wrong, of course, but it all reminds me of a bad vaudeville ... The Americans themselves, in my opinion, are not able to what they need and are trying to strain Russia ... Yes, and even under the American standard ... Tricky ... .
  39. tracer
    tracer April 23 2018 19: 01
    0
    Are thongs in space really fashionable?
  40. axxmanm
    axxmanm April 23 2018 19: 03
    +4
    There should not be any joint projects in space with other countries.
    For "joint projects" advocate
    bureaucrats are eager for comfortable, "prestigious" and interesting business trips at the state expense,
    businessmen who want to fish in troubled waters,
    spies who want to frolic in the turmoil and expand the intelligence network,
    and potential traitors who want to be useful lackeys to their future owners.
    Any cooperation in space - only for money (no less than the cost price + solid profit) - for example, take foreign astronauts of researchers and their scientific instruments and mechanisms.
    1. viralig
      viralig April 23 2018 19: 18
      0
      Well, on this issue, mutually beneficial cooperation - because it is just a transshipment base. And the Americans will not be able to steal any unique technologies there. As much as I would not like for Russia, this one project will not pull itself in the near future, it is too expensive in the current and economic and geopolitical situation. Only if the oligarchs "ask" to chip in))
      1. axxmanm
        axxmanm April 23 2018 19: 34
        +1
        Lunar orbital station (VOC) is not needed at all ..
        You need to immediately make a permanent inhabited base colony on the surface of the moon.
        1. viralig
          viralig April 23 2018 19: 47
          0
          God forbid, what will happen on the surface of the moon - will you immediately run to the earth?
          Moreover, the construction of a base on the Moon is handy from the orbital station — the time delay is less — it’s easier to control the robot on the surface from space, minus 1 second of the signal to the moon and possible interference from the earth. Yes, and the Moon is just a springboard for flying to Mars. It is more profitable to build a ship for a flight to Mars near the Moon - not only is it less expensive to put into orbit, it’s also possible to use the Earth for gravitational maneuver.
          And I completely forgot, it makes it possible to work with the other side of the moon, and it is very promising in scientific terms.
          1. axxmanm
            axxmanm April 23 2018 19: 58
            +1
            Quote: viralig
            God forbid, what will happen on the surface of the moon - will you immediately run to the earth?

            Holy simplicity...
            And if something happens on VOCs, will you immediately run to the ground?
            The base on the moon is an order of magnitude more reliable and safer than an orbital station ..
            This is also why VOCs are not needed at all.
            1. viralig
              viralig April 23 2018 20: 12
              0
              Well, it’s not quite simple, if something happens in orbit, then the road is really only home. And certainly easier than from the surface.
              And on the Moon it’s not at all simpler — it needs to be built there too - unlike the orbiter, these technologies have not been tested yet and there is only a general concept, and the radiation is higher if you certainly don’t bury deep into the rocks, but I emphasize it again and you need to build and under the supervision of people - and each time to drive the builders of the base there still more way out will come than to send additional cargo with supplies and new modules. And what about the rest of the points above that I brought?
              The only pluses of the lunar base are the solid moon under its feet and its gravity.
              And if you read a deeper info on this issue - even the hub itself will periodically be completely without people, not to mention the descent to the surface.
  41. Mstivoy
    Mstivoy April 23 2018 19: 09
    +1
    The United States offered Russia .... I propose that the United States switch to rubles.
  42. slipped
    slipped April 23 2018 19: 38
    +2
    Quote: Ronald Reagan
    Russian cosmonautics is almost dead. Collaboration with the Americans saved her in the 90s. from complete collapse. Now the situation is the same.


    The American space program was dead, the death of Challenger, the enormous cost of subsequent shuttle launches and the inability to create its own Freedom station, even reduced by them to Frid, put an end to the American manned program and only cooperation with the Russians on the ISS saved her from complete collapse. Now the situation is the same - there is nothing for the Americans to fly into space, the terms of feverish attempts to create their own means of launching astronauts constantly go to the right.
    1. axxmanm
      axxmanm April 23 2018 20: 02
      0
      Although I argued with you over the VA SA, but you are right - the manned US program is not only dead, but absent altogether, unlike the Russian one (although this is not the merit of the Russian Federation, the ancestral legacy still works).
    2. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan April 23 2018 21: 00
      +1
      Shuttles flew up to 11 years: they almost completely assembled the ISS + work with the telescope. Therefore, talking about her death is stupid. Bezos and Musk will clearly finish their work, and there SLS and BFR looms on the horizon. The problem is that Russia does not see this lighthouse. No.
      1. slipped
        slipped April 24 2018 13: 05
        0
        I can recall that the Shuttles flew only because of the construction of the ISS, there were very few autonomous flights, in turn, the construction of the ISS began after the states received our technologies, including at the expense of paying for this construction. Regarding the Russian lighthouse - there is the Lunar Program - to create by 2032 the infrastructure on the Moon for the future Lunar Base. To do this, until 2022, experiments are conducted to control the planetary technology with the ISS (CRI SRC) and medical in the IBMP - the Sirius program, and the Moon stations (launches 2020,2023, 2024 and 2022) select the place of the future Lunar Polygon. In 5, Soyuz-2025 with the Federation ship is launched, then tests of this ship continue until 5, then from the tanks of the Soyuz-2027 carrier the first version of the STK is assembled in modules - 5 - the moon is circled by the crew on the Federation ship . Delivery of the second stage lunar operations support module to LOP-G, after adding the hydrogen stage from Angara-2028V to STK in XNUMX. From the LOP-G station from the Russian segment, the control of the machines of the Lunar Ground is carried out. After delivery to the LVPK station, the astronauts landed on the Moon with the goal of starting the creation of the Lunar Base.
  43. slipped
    slipped April 23 2018 19: 43
    +1
    The news is sucked out, earlier our negotiators, the same Krikalev, said they insisted on "common interfaces", but they did not intend to change technologies, including our spacesuits. In general, we are for dividing the station into segments, like the ISS.
  44. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber April 23 2018 21: 44
    0
    With such requests, but they would not go to .....
    The moon!))
  45. NordUral
    NordUral April 23 2018 22: 11
    0
    And why are everyone so excited. After the ISS, we will not have joint manned ones. Nick Moon, not to Mars. As if with such partners the whole world would not go to hell, actually.
  46. Old26
    Old26 April 24 2018 00: 37
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: oleg-gr
    I am in charge here and will be in my opinion.

    So the way it is. And the spacesuits on this issue are “the tip of the iceberg,” they generally insist that Russia build its module according to NASA standards, and this is very problematic for us, so I won’t be surprised that there will be TWO stations, NASA and its partners, and Sino-Russian.

    The only question is what the source mentioned in the article implies by NASA standards. Krikalev correctly noted that the module really should be universal.

    The phrase "source" that
    Accordingly, with the use of American spacesuits, the systems for providing spacewalk should also be made for US equipment,

    honest frankly stupid. This would be necessary if the station used the means of transportation of astronauts (American). Then yes, the dimensions of the hatch should have been made according to American standards. But no one has been thinking about this for many years, this vehicle
    The concept of the American standard for our module implies the electric current voltage adopted by the Americans and Europeans, the interfaces are also the American standard.
    Docking nodes for the European, Japanese, and American ships will be created on the basis of our APAS type docking node.
    In this case, we simply cannot afford to “demand” something. The station is initially planned out of four modules, three of which will be built in the USA and Europe. And only the gateway module will be ours. If everything goes as it should, further development involves the construction by Russia of two more in addition to these initial modules. But for now, only one is behind us.
    The electric motor module, which also plays the role of an energy module, will be built by the United States and the European Space Agency. . The residential module is American, the supply modules (replaceable), roughly speaking, cargo ships are Japanese and European. Shlyuzova - Russian. Manned ships - at the first stage of Orion (USA). In the future, it is possible to use the Federation (when there is something to deliver it to there). As the base carrier - American media SLS.
    So there are two options. To do or what we were offered, because we have only one module of 5 modules. Or do nothing ...

    Quote: Maz
    Delirium, excuse me, their spacesuits are sewn in Russian workshops and from our materials. American on it only flag patch

    The most accurate of your post - the first word is nonsense. Only three countries make spacesuits in the world. We, USA and China. And everyone does for himself, but does not order from others

    Quote: Igor Polovodov
    Let's move on to their standard, destroy our eagle! This must not be allowed!
    Either the gateway is universal or designed only for our spacesuit!
    And let them go through the forest! with...

    No one talks about switching to their standard in terms of a spacesuit. They only offer to use American spacesuits created on the basis of EMU spacesuits at this station. They are heavier than our spacesuits, but "overboard" they can be 8,5 hours against 7 hours in the "Orlan". . Again the question is to unify. If three are in American spacesuits, and one in Russian - there may be some difficulties in maintenance. It is necessary to look at the parameters of current sources in ours and in American and then only draw certain conclusions. This issue has not yet been resolved and it takes a very long time, at least 6 years.

    Quote: urman
    They still cannot make their toilet.

    Do not smack bullshit. They have a toilet on the ISS in their segment, just like ours. Another one is portable. We are using one example of the fact that they had a problem with the toilet and built almost the theory that they don’t even have to. Both with them and with us this could happen. What, have you never had a sewer clogged or a siphon in the sink? so here. There was a problem - they solved it
  47. Old26
    Old26 April 24 2018 00: 40
    0
    Quote: stock buildbat
    If you consider that even the existing "Orlanes" are much better than the Amersan ones, and plan to do something on their basis, then it is better to advise the Amersans to fly to orbit and to the Moon on their own. Without our engines and technologies.

    Take it easy. Nerve cells are said to not be restored. Our engines will not be there from the word TOTALLY. The electric motor module will be created by the Americans with the possible participation of Europeans and without our participation. The spacesuit will be created on the basis of EMU, which in terms of its performance characteristics, namely the time spent in outer space exceeds our eagles by 1,5 hours. Yes, heavier. Now they are creating the so-called "Martian" spacesuit Z-1, which in its design of entry repeats our "Orlan". So what can I say here that ours is better - not quite right. More convenient - yes, 16 kg lighter - yes, but at the same time we have less autonomy. Namely, autonomy is sometimes the main factor

    Quote: NEXUS
    Firstly, why did the mattresses decide that such a spacesuit is not being developed?
    And secondly, why not do it the other way around? Do you need to ensure spacewalk systems for Russian spacesuits? In other words, isn’t it easier to create a semblance of adapters and adapters for both systems?

    Well, under their parameters, our spacesuits are unlikely to be developed. It’s clear that when at least 30-40% of your modules are at your station, you can at least dictate some of your conditions or put forward proposals (as in the Soyuz – Apollo flight, they solved the problem with atmospheric pressure). But when your module is one at the station, and far from the most important for the station, without scientific equipment, without solar panels, it is at least silly to put forward your conditions. We do not like it - we can refuse it, they will find a replacement for our module. At the same time, we will throw ourselves back a certain number of years ago, since we will not be able to create a lunar orbital station in the near future due to the lack of carrier. That is the dilemma. how to proceed.

    Quote: Yura Yakovlev
    They cannot create their normal gateway module,

    And on the ISS in the American segment, whose do you think is the gateway module? Chinese? Or maybe Russian?

    Quote: Archivist Vasya
    It is more rational if the gateway and other bells and whistles to it will be universal - any spacesuit dressed and went out to smoke))

    But after all, the people are already raving ... Rationally not the right word. It should be universal, and for docking with ships of any countries. American, Russian, European, Japanese, Chinese, after all. The question is, that of all the modules ours will be the only one. At the same time it does not have solar panels, it will be powered and controlled from other modules. And whether we like it or not, we will have to do it according to American standards in terms of power supply and interfaces of all types, since the rest of the modules will be in accordance with these standards. But the docking mechanisms of the ships they will need to do on the basis of our developments ... That is, the docking nodes on all ships to make unified

    Quote: CAT BAYUN
    Yes, it was Russia that made the spacesuit all the way ... For the Americans as well.

    No need to invent. Neither the USSR nor Russia did spacesuits for the Americans. The Americans made them themselves ...

    Quote: axxmanm
    And if something happens on VOCs, will you immediately run to the ground?
    The base on the moon is an order of magnitude more reliable and safer than an orbital station ..

    On the basis of what is such a profound conclusion drawn?

    Quote: axxmanm
    Although I argued with you over the VA SA, but you are right - the manned US program is not only dead, but absent altogether, unlike the Russian one (although this is not the merit of the Russian Federation, the ancestral legacy still works).

    Are you doing this crap based on the fact that for the last 6-7 years we have been carrying 1-2 people to the ISS? They are approaching several manned ships. New. The term is 2018-2020. Our "Federation" will not fly before 24 years. It is interesting that you will speak in a year or two, whose space will be dead. Ours, which will lose funding for the creation of a certain number of "Unions", "Progresses" and carriers or American. By the way, the American manned space program for 2000 launched three times more people into orbit than the Russian-Soviet one. Everyone had temporary difficulties and interruptions in flights. Some have more time, others less. But all this is temporary. The Americans had a long break between the completion of the Apollo program and the start of the Shuttle flights. Now they have another break due to the lack of ships. But nothing lasts forever under the moon.
    1. axxmanm
      axxmanm April 24 2018 06: 31
      0
      Quote: Old26
      They are approaching several manned ships. New. The term is 2018-2020.

      This ridiculous mantra has been repeated for about 6 years, which they say is just about .. "soon, soon", in a year or two ...
      Only a complete ass, or a cynical, but silly propagandist can argue that in 2018 the United States will have a manned flight on its own ship ..
      ... it sounds especially shameful from someone who is puffing up as an expert in space technology ...
  48. lopvlad
    lopvlad April 24 2018 02: 44
    +1
    American experts have proposed using their spacesuits instead of the Russian "Orlan" to exit open space from near the lunar station


    here are American cosmonauts of a different opinion, for they use Russian Orlanes and not American crafts.
  49. Vikxnumx
    Vikxnumx April 24 2018 07: 27
    0
    andj61,
    And why do we need a joint near-moon station?

    But what about SANCTIONS?
    Where is the State Department looking?
    And what the hell is this agreement even signed?
    Do we, as always in the Russian Federation, have enough money only for Bali, and not for space?
  50. Old26
    Old26 April 24 2018 10: 15
    0
    Quote: Mih1974
    But we must offer the Americans a "pink stump" - break the "intention to enter" and leave to agree on a joint project with the Chinese. tongue good
    After that, on the lunar program of mattresses - they will obviously put a big and fat cross

    Of course, you can agree with the Chinese. But what can they offer us or we to them? We have been unable to complete and send a module to the ISS for a dozen years. About two more - they stopped talking already. Neither Russia nor China has any carriers capable of throwing the module into at least 8-10 tons of mass in the near future. With us it is planned to enter the test no earlier than 2028 (they plan to start building the station in 2024)

    If China makes the carrier earlier, then why do we need it? Their truck now carries cargo three times more than our progress. Modules, similar to the "world", he has already learned to build. Until 2020, it is going to make an orbital station of 7 modules. What can we offer?

    What about the USA? A large and fat cross can be placed at the Russian lunar orbital station. The Americans have something to run (they make modules no worse than ours), and what to launch. Plus ESA with its potential, which also makes modules, plus Japan, which makes trucks several times more load-lifting than our Progresses. So think about whose program there will be a fat cross. I'm not saying that in 2018, space has been allocated 128 billion rubles, or 2,19 billion dollars we have, 4 billion from China и 20 billion in the USA ...

    Quote: StWahmister
    Maybe I don’t understand something? Or did Van Allen’s radiation belt disappear somewhere? Maybe you came up with a spacesuit that will protect against the very radiation?

    Anatoly! And at what height above the Earth does the Van Allen belt end?

    Quote: bamsik
    but I heard that suits are made individually for each .... I could be wrong

    Individually, both us and the Americans produce only flight suits. The spacesuits for extra-ship activity, that is, for spacewalk, are now universal both with us and with them. Each has its pros and cons. Ours are easier and dress alone. American ones are harder and help dressing is required. These are our pluses. The American autonomy is 8,5 hours, we have 7. This is the plus of the American

    Quote: axxmanm
    This ridiculous mantra has been repeated for about 6 years, which they say is just about .. "soon, soon", in a year or two ...
    Only a complete ass, or a cynical, but silly propagandist can argue that in 2018 the United States will have a manned flight on its own ship ..

    Or a person who has worked in this industry for a decade and a half. Well, our mantra about a new ship called the Federation has been repeated for 11 years. Prior to this, 10 years repeated the mantra about the ship "Clipper"

    Stay tuned. that Americans can’t do anything. Maybe it will bring you peace. Only disappointment will be bitter enough. You do not have to become like an ostrich and insist that we are the first, we are the first. We were the first in space. Now, alas, even in the Federal Program until 2025 the task is to enter the top three (or rather to remain in it), and not slide into 4-5-6 places.

    Some, like you, said that Musk, with his carrier and ship, was bullshit. However, this year only this “private trader” and “PR man” Musk plans to launch 18 or 19 of his “Falcons” (all Americans are planning 2018 launches for 45), and all Russia - 23.
    Wait until the fall. A manned Dragon is planned for fall. Then you can talk about mantras and everything else

    Quote: lopvlad
    American experts have proposed using their spacesuits instead of the Russian "Orlan" to exit open space from near the lunar station


    here are American cosmonauts of a different opinion, for they use Russian Orlanes and not American crafts.

    I'm afraid to disappoint you. They really consider ours more convenient in terms of "packing" in them. But they use their American spacesuits on the ISS. And your next spacesuit Z-1 they plan to do according to the scheme of our "Orlan", that is, with an entrance from the back