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EW complexes will receive "floating" antennas

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For complexes that are in service with EW units, “floating” antennas, equipped with special transmitting and receiving devices, have been developed. News.




Antennas are based on quadcopters and can climb several hundred meters. They are also able to timely catch the cruise missiles and knock them off course. The prototype has already been tested.

“In total, two types of“ floating ”antennas were created - controlled over the radio channel and using a special cable. In the second case, a strong Kevlar cable cable hides a copper cable for transmitting electricity and fiber optic cables for exchanging information between the antenna and the automated control system (ACS) in the EW combat vehicle, ”the newspaper reported referring to the military department.

Uninterrupted power allows the quadrocopter to be in the air for more than a day if necessary, ensuring the performance of a combat mission. Devices raise the antenna to a height of more than 300 meters. They are stable and have a good carrying capacity.

Classic antennas have many drawbacks. They are bulky, have a lot of weight and dimensions. This seriously reduces the mobility of EW complexes and the possibility of their masking in the field. To increase the detection area, it is necessary that the antennas are as high as possible. Various devices, including balloons and dirigibles, were considered as means for their ascent. But they are very dependent on weather conditions,
told the publication of a military expert Oleg Zheltonozhko.

According to the newspaper, the new antennas “will allow the sensors that lead the cruise missiles to be detected in advance and act in time: if lost in space, the rocket must urgently gain altitude to refine its coordinates, and at this point it becomes a good target for modern Air Defense. " And at this time, EW forces will get a good chance to finally "blind" and "disorient" the potential enemy’s missile.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS April 23 2018 10: 32
    +10
    A very good solution ... increasing the range of detection and operation of the EW complex as a whole, due to soaring antennas, can also be implemented on existing EW systems.
    1. Samaritan
      Samaritan April 23 2018 10: 33
      +5
      Those. normal drones and AWACS we don’t want to do so ...
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 23 2018 10: 36
        +10
        Quote: Samaritan
        Those. normal drones and AWACS we don’t want to do so ...

        Why such a conclusion? This year they promise, if I'm not mistaken for adopting an impact drone of up to 5 tons ... the Skat project is under development and I came across infa that these works are at the final stage.
        We are simply in the issue of UAVs while in the role of catching up and this is obvious.
        1. Samaritan
          Samaritan April 23 2018 10: 43
          +5
          Quote: NEXUS
          Why such a conclusion?

          The namesake, I think there’s no point in arguing, we’ve been hearing about 5 tonnik for 5 years now, any day ...
          I'd like to see "not expensive AWACS", such as E-2 Hawkeye
          (https://topwar.ru/110631-aviaciya-drlo-chast-3.h
          tml)
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 23 2018 10: 51
            +3
            Quote: Samaritan
            Namesake, I think it makes no sense to argue

            Such a project is interesting ...
            Russia has begun the development of a new unmanned strike aircraft of the same class as the General Atomics Avenger. The Russian Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the development of this aircraft with the Simonov Design Bureau on December 26, 2017.


            “It should be equipped with a turbojet engine, providing the unmanned vehicle with flight speeds that are at least twice the speed of helical drones of a similar class”
            According to the newspaper, this aircraft will be able to reach speeds of 1000 kilometers per hour. So far, little is known about this aircraft, however, according to experts, this aircraft will be similar to the American Avenger UAV.
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 23 2018 10: 54
            +3
            Quote: Samaritan
            I'd like to see "not expensive AWACS", such as E-2 Hawkeye

            I think in this matter our MO will go in two directions ... A-100 Premier and a cheaper version of the A-50U. And most likely both versions will be purchased. It seems like the Prime Minister is promised to be adopted by 19. hi
            1. hrych
              hrych April 23 2018 14: 51
              +4
              Aircraft AWACS expensive thing to operate, requires an airplane, requires pilots, requires an airfield and maintenance. In an hour, the plane burns tons of high-octane expensive fuel. Here, the energy from the operation of a diesel engine is supplied to a device that can hang in the air for days, personnel do not require high qualifications and many years of training (a pilot, for example), a large number of personnel are not required, and maintenance with minimal requirements. Very promising technology.
        2. okko077
          okko077 April 23 2018 14: 04
          +3
          What nonsense, not an article !!! Hang a ball or an airship on a leash with cables and antenna and look constantly, and a bunch of false ones still ...?! Which wise guy gave birth to this? And then in the waters of the Sea of ​​Azov there is no control of the positional area ?! So in LDNR and in Syria! Parade de_bilov in full growth ... Well, your mind is not enough - read the Internet! Pi_ndos have long recognized that for the detection of Raman flying at extremely low altitude, such an arrangement of the antenna is the most effective ... EW, too!Horses, people, mixed in a heap, And thousands of guns volleys. Merged into a long howl ..
          1. okko077
            okko077 April 23 2018 14: 23
            +1
            And the military, or rather the high command, is to blame for everything ... Complete stagnation in the brain, lack of initiative, not understanding of the realities of today, not the ability to think and anticipate, fear of personal responsibility ... They cannot formulate an order for the defense industry, they do not know how they will fight, what is needed for this ... They shuffle from one to the other, cannot prioritize .... The defense industry does what it can, and not what it needs! And what is needed is stupid, but the devotees don’t know .. And everyone is hiding behind a nuclear baton .... Like in that fairy tale: go there, I don’t know where, bring that, I don’t know what !
      2. Hire
        Hire April 23 2018 10: 45
        +14
        Quote: Samaritan
        Those. normal drones and AWACS we don’t want to do so ...

        What does this have to do with it? Aircraft AWACS is an aircraft for long-range radar detection and control. And we are talking about electronic warfare systems. With drones is similar. They perform other tasks.
      3. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk April 23 2018 10: 47
        +1
        Quote: Samaritan
        Those. normal drones and AWACS we don’t want to do so ...

        And how does one option contradict the other?
        1. alstr
          alstr April 23 2018 11: 10
          +1
          Especially when you consider that there are a few AWACS aircraft, and hundreds of air defense and electronic warfare systems.
          In addition, it must be understood that UAVs also have weather restrictions.

          In fact, I think this is just the beginning. The next step we will also see options for such UAV-radar for air defense systems (the same S-500). As an option, the creation of a bunch of several UAV-radar, which are separated by terrain, but transmit the command and control unit of the division and the regiment control unit.
          By the way, for ships this radar option is suitable in the first place, because can be launched from almost any ship (catapult + parachute). A cable solves the problem of autonomy.
          1. alstr
            alstr April 23 2018 11: 14
            0
            By the way, and AWACS aircraft can also be unmanned.
          2. Conserp
            Conserp April 24 2018 00: 30
            0
            Why does a quadrocopter or helicopter need a catapult and a parachute?
      4. Topotun
        Topotun April 23 2018 13: 24
        +1
        And what about the A-100 you don’t consider a normal AWACS aircraft? I did not work there, but it seems that the A-50 is not inferior to amers in its characteristics. And the A-100 seems to be overtaking ...
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    2. NIKNN
      NIKNN April 23 2018 11: 52
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      A very good solution ... increasing the range of detection and operation of the EW complex as a whole, due to soaring antennas, can also be implemented on existing EW systems.

      This is what kind of weight it is necessary to raise, for suppression also. At the time, we’ll talk about an unmanned tethered helicopter ... I hope not the Mi-26 was used as a prototype? smile
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 23 2018 11: 54
        +1
        Quote: NIKNN
        This is what weight it is necessary to lift,

        Perhaps this is not about one UAV antenna, but several. Hard to tell. But the fact that the solution is very interesting is undeniable.
  2. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ April 23 2018 10: 34
    0
    and how much are quadcopters carrying the antennas of the eb protected from the eb of the adversary?
    1. just exp
      just exp April 23 2018 10: 46
      +1
      those controlled by cable are fully protected.
      only if not through holes in the software, when they can be hacked remotely.
    2. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk April 23 2018 10: 51
      +2
      Quote: _Ugene_
      and how much are quadcopters carrying the antennas of the eb protected from the eb of the adversary?

      Absolutely. Since quadrocopters do not fly away anywhere, and they are controlled not by radio, but by wire. What signal should be, power, I mean, to defeat an ordinary toggle switch and battery with wires ??
  3. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich April 23 2018 10: 34
    +1
    This is an interesting and unusual solution. winked
    1. alstr
      alstr April 23 2018 11: 12
      +2
      This is actually a completely obvious solution.
    2. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis April 23 2018 11: 13
      +5
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      This is an interesting and unusual solution. winked

      It has been used since the 1970s, at a minimum. This is, if we talk about tethered UAVs. In general, the idea has been around for more than two centuries - observation balloons have been used since the XNUMXth century.
  4. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 23 2018 10: 43
    +1
    I don’t understand everything in these things ... But I feel that EW will save Russia! We have Kulibins in Russia!
    Sooner or later, but we will get an access code for all these NATO satellites, etc.
    And then we’ll fight .. hehe soldier
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 April 23 2018 10: 48
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I don’t understand everything in these things ...

      but honestly Vitalka, what exactly do you understand ?? .... topics, sciences, needlework ???
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov April 23 2018 11: 53
        0
        Quote: Tiksi-3
        Quote: MIKHAN
        I don’t understand everything in these things ...

        but honestly Vitalka, what exactly do you understand ?? .... topics, sciences, needlework ???

        I understand the Russian soul, and gentlemen, this is enough! soldier So Dmitry you will not anger me hehe
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 April 23 2018 14: 17
          0
          Quote: MIKHAN
          I understand the Russian soul

          at the same time you say that you are relatives of Bandera (on the next branch)
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov April 23 2018 14: 58
            0
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            Quote: MIKHAN
            I understand the Russian soul

            at the same time you say that you are relatives of Bandera (on the next branch)

            Yes, they are related to me in some way .. And I will beat them, quietly and painfully on the outskirts of Russia!
            Without your presence .. I promise that the West will not hear screams and squeals! negative
            1. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 April 23 2018 15: 03
              0
              Quote: MIKHAN
              And I will beat them, quietly and painfully on the outskirts of Russia!

              but why in the future? ... why not yesterday or now?
      2. JD1979
        JD1979 April 23 2018 14: 37
        +2
        Quote: Tiksi-3
        but honestly Vitalka, what exactly do you understand ?? .... topics, sciences, needlework ???

        What Vitalka understands is that in pathos replicas and slogans. Interestingly, he talks only from a stool at home?
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov April 23 2018 15: 00
          0
          Quote: JD1979
          What Vitalka understands is that in pathos replicas and slogans.

          Oh, you would have caught me ... would have sung a nightingale! wassat negative
          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 April 23 2018 16: 14
            0
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Oh, you would have caught me ... would have sung a nightingale

            we are all afraid of you .... you are our sofa rambo
  5. Kotofeich
    Kotofeich April 23 2018 11: 04
    0
    And how, does the wind affect them?
  6. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 23 2018 11: 15
    +1
    Lifting antennas into the air: on telescopic masts, airplanes, balloons, quadrocopters has long been used.
    The method is also suitable for electronic warfare, of course.
    And quadrocopters are quite suitable for this.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov April 23 2018 11: 54
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Lifting antennas into the air: on telescopic masts, airplanes, balloons, quadrocopters has long been used.

      And of course in Israel .. heh heh I'm all silent! wassat
  7. rotor
    rotor April 23 2018 11: 44
    +1
    Various vehicles, including aerostats and airships, were considered as means for lifting them.

    Better a quadrocopter balloon.

    .
  8. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner April 23 2018 11: 45
    0
    The "mattresses" such "floating" devices have long been used, and if our Russian brothers also begin to do, then very good! Rather, only, but it's about cats ...
  9. Vitaly Aaa
    Vitaly Aaa April 23 2018 12: 08
    0
    Why a quadrocopter, when they have long learned how to lift antennas on a special balloon.
  10. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 23 2018 13: 03
    +2
    Antennas on multicopters, helicopters .... well, the idea is familiar .... he himself proposed it 2-3 years ago for the "modernization" of the antenna systems of the Buk, C-300, C-400 air defense systems; ... "soaring" repeater, radar or optical-electronic module for monitoring the battlefield, adjusting fire much earlier ..... As the main component of the detection system, highlighting the objectives of self-propelled anti-tank systems at the end of the last century .. At the same time , a component of the "tank-detection system, fire correction" complex ... True, at first it was helicopters (helicopters), but on ektrodvizhkah and with a rope cable. Later, multicopters (for example, quadrocopters ... also appeared). More "modern" ideas are the multicopter (component) of an engineering minefield detection and mine clearing machine ..... and there are still some "options" .... in including a helicopter-type drone with a small axial-piston engine and a fuel, relatively small, tank with periodic refueling from the uterus ...
  11. alex80
    alex80 April 23 2018 14: 22
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: Samaritan
    Namesake, I think it makes no sense to argue

    Such a project is interesting ...
    Russia has begun the development of a new unmanned strike aircraft of the same class as the General Atomics Avenger. The Russian Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the development of this aircraft with the Simonov Design Bureau on December 26, 2017.


    “It should be equipped with a turbojet engine, providing the unmanned vehicle with flight speeds that are at least twice the speed of helical drones of a similar class”
    According to the newspaper, this aircraft will be able to reach speeds of 1000 kilometers per hour. So far, little is known about this aircraft, however, according to experts, this aircraft will be similar to the American Avenger UAV.

    More interesting:
    The Soviet District Court of Kazan arrested on April 18 for two months the Director General of the Experimental Design Bureau (OKB) named after Simonov Alexander Gomzin. According to TASS and the Kazan edition of Business Online, he is accused of abuse of power (part 3 of article 285 of the Criminal Code), fraud (part 7 of article 159) and abuse of authority (part 2 of article 201).
    Gomzin undertook new projects without completing the previous ones, and this kind of pyramid is the main reason for the criminal case, since the result was never presented, says a person close to the Ministry of Defense. According to him, the criminal prosecution of the OKB CEO does not mean that the Ministry of Defense will close all these programs, but they will be subject to revision. Ironically, a meeting of chiefs of the general staffs of the CIS countries was held in Kazan on Friday, at which, as the Russian Ministry of Defense reported, issues of using drones and countering them were discussed. It is worth noting that Chinese-made devices, approximately similar to the Altair, of the meeting participants are armed with Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, but not Russia.
  12. midshipman
    midshipman April 23 2018 17: 17
    +2
    During the Great Patriotic War in Leningrad from August 1942, the antenna of the Far East radio station was suspended on a barrage balloon. The station broadcast throughout Europe. Hitler and Goebbels were furious. The peoples of Germany and Europe knew that on the Leningrad Front a fascist soldier died every 17 seconds. Sometimes their data was also transmitted. This station and antenna were created by my teacher and comrade Spirov Sergey Vasilievich.
  13. Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 April 23 2018 18: 12
    +1
    A that balloons no longer counts?
    1. Conserp
      Conserp April 24 2018 00: 37
      0
      Do they know how to actively orient themselves, to stabilize, to withstand the wind pressure?
      What do they have with visibility and vitality?
      With dimensions and carrying capacity at last?
      1. Alex20042004
        Alex20042004 April 26 2018 20: 14
        0
        https://uchebniki-besplatno.com/aerokosmicheskaya
        -tehnika_1239 / v23-aerostatyi-obespechat-kontrol-v
        ozdushnyih-37646.html
        1. Conserp
          Conserp April 26 2018 20: 34
          0
          These are bulky and vulnerable stationary complexes
          1. Alex20042004
            Alex20042004 April 27 2018 17: 55
            0
            Radar standby mode and combat mode - that’s the whole difference.
  14. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 April 23 2018 19: 26
    0
    Finally defeated the curvature of the earth's surface!
  15. macgyver
    macgyver April 23 2018 21: 30
    0
    Why not on balloons? Easier in my opinion and cheaper ....
  16. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 24 2018 00: 25
    +1
    Great news. It turns out that the potential of reconnaissance and target designation stations
    for all types of weapons grows at times.