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Plunders, registry, tricky estimates: how it was punished under Stalin and punished under Putin

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Movies before the war, in which I.V. Stalin was a producer, financier, editor and even partly co-author of the script (Stalin's changes to the script of the film “Chapaev” by the Vasilyev brothers preserved in the archives, 5 took place on November 1934), brought to us the image of the accountant as a person envious and narcissist, in round glasses . And while the heroes of the first five-year plans built factories, mined coal, herded sheep and swung across the North Pole, the meticulous cinema accountant knocked on accounts and wove intrigues on the collective farm board.


Plunders, registry, tricky estimates: how it was punished under Stalin and punished under Putin


SKORULOUS - extremely detailed, extremely thorough (Ozhegov's Explanatory Dictionary. SI Ozhegov, N.Yu. Shvedova, 1949 and 1992).

Now this quality is considered positive for a person. But the word comes from the Roman "skurpulus" - a small pebble. The Romans walked in sandals, and the pebbles fell into the shoe. It hurts, unpleasant, uncomfortable. Roman had to unleash their ancient bots, shake out a pebble. Sayings even were: a minor problem, like skurpulyus - I took it out and forgot it.

And now, if you please, see, an accountant in motion pictures is a scrupulous man with glasses, not a hero and not a lover. But Stalin and in people understood, understood and in money.

The first five years were a time of frantic construction. In 1928, the liberal "New Economic Policy" was curtailed and the country moved to planned, industrial development. In 1930, almost 1500 industrial enterprises were laid. A number of giant transport and industrial structures were built: Turksib, Dneproges, metallurgical plants in Magnitogorsk, Lipetsk and Chelyabinsk, Novokuznetsk, Norilsk, as well as Uralmash, tractor plants in Stalingrad, Chelyabinsk, Kharkov, Uralvagonzavod, GAZ, ZIS (modern ZIL) and In 1935, the first stage of the Moscow Metro opened with a total length of 11,2 km. No private capital could finance such construction projects. Yes, and now can not. Besides the shopping center, divided by partitions into stalls and shops, the liberal nepman cannot or does not want to build anything. He only dreams about a candle factory. Stalin and the Bolshevik Party resolutely embarked on the task of reviving industry, relying on domestic resources and domestic national debt.

By 1932, the country stopped importing tractors from abroad, and in 1934 began exporting them. In 1933-34-ies, people said goodbye to the sandals. In the film “The Dawns Here Are Quiet”, a young Komsomol member looks at the army foreman who, in the wartime, in the swamp, weaves a bast for her. Looks like Darwin at the gorilla.

Capital investments in heavy industry almost immediately exceeded the previously planned amount and continued to grow. There was a sharp increase in the issue of money, which led to an increase in prices and a shortage of some consumer goods.

Throwing a picture of the great construction projects with a zealous look, the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR adopts a Resolution of September 3 1934 of 2050: “On the termination of non-project and immortal construction”.

In which it is literally said: to prohibit 1 from October 1934 construction and financing of individual parts of industrial and transport construction projects (separate workshops, buildings, etc.) that have technical designs and estimates, if there is no approved project and estimates for the entire construction.

For especially large objects, the list of which is approved by the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR, allow the construction and financing of individual parts with technical projects and estimates, if there is an approved master plan for the entire construction.

You see, horseless! What does it mean? The main thing for the country was to build, run into operation. Industry. Production. Steel, cement, coal. Six years of general construction virtually no projects and estimates. With technical, purely estimated, approximate estimates. Built all without a tedious accountant.

Now everything is different. Cosmodrome "Vostochny" was built with beautiful estimates and projects beautifully liberal companies. How much was stolen? Lot. How many scandals, how many prisoners - not for me to tell you! How will it all end? God knows. Liberalism in fashion.

They were stealing and stealing on drums of Soviet construction sites under the accordion and with a whistle. Cooks in white plowing sites, old royal ministerial dachas with new business executives. Personal cars with drivers, horse races in Pyatigorsk, on which crazy money was burned - everything was there. Koreiko's millions, for whom Ostap Bender hunted - all this is our living история. When they tell you about a relative, an innocently injured construction director of a large and beautiful bridge across a Siberian river, remember “Vineless and non-project construction.”

In 1935-37, unsmiling scrupulous guys in sleeves and glasses started issuing “on the mountain” cases of financial violations. The NKVD and the prosecutor's office whistled from surprise, from the scope of the theft, from the posts of those involved. We had to plant and shoot. Planted and shot. Not wanting to discredit Soviet construction, many "sewed" political articles. Respectfully looking at our repressions, in the United States, Al Capone was imprisoned for tax evasion, and in a short time the mafia was driven by the scrupulous guys into the underground.

In the same 1933 year, December 8, the Council of USSR People's Commissars issues Resolution N 2652 “On the responsibility for the production of poor-quality products”.

It is so beautiful that we give it completely:

“Despite the steady growth of state-owned products and the progress achieved in mastering new technology, the criminal-negligent attitude to the quality of the products produced by the managers of individual enterprises and business organizations has not been eradicated. The production of poor-quality or incomplete machines, as well as the production of poor-quality parts and materials from adjacent factories, causes significant damage to the state. Particularly intolerant and criminal is the release of substandard and incomplete products by enterprises working for the needs of the country's defense.

The Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR, considering the production of substandard and incomplete products as a grave anti-state crime and recognizing the need to increase responsibility for the production of substandard products, to change its Decree of November 23 of 1929 (SZ USSR, 1930, N 2 , Art 9) decides:

1. To establish that managers of trusts, directors of enterprises, and persons of administrative and technical personnel who are guilty of releasing low-quality or incomplete products, are brought to criminal responsibility with the use of a measure of judicial repression - imprisonment for at least 5 years.

2. Instruct the procuracy of the USSR to ensure the steady implementation of this Decree. ”


Signed this beauty Chairman of the CEC of the USSR M.KALININ and Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR V.MOLOTOV (SKRYABIN).

Not less than five years old !!! Not less. It would not be bad to recall the failures of Roskosmos in recent years. Maybe because of the failure that the sensor on the rocket can now be put upside down and, for fidelity, to hammer on it with a sledge hammer. And nothing, in fact, will not. When conducting welding, you can manage to burn a submarine. Or the data is incorrect to enter in the flight mission.

The scrupulous guys from the military acceptance sent a large number of “managers of trusts, directors of enterprises, and administrative and technical personnel” to the plank beds, providing labor for the construction of five-year shock plans. All the sufferers who were digging up the “White Sea Canal” were included in the lists of illegally repressed people, and for the most part were found to be innocent, who were in 60, and who were in 90, of the last century.

The experience of fast, incalculable, large-scale construction was useful in the Great Patriotic War. In 1942, the country lost the Donbas mines and experienced an acute shortage of coal. The State Defense Committee allowed the construction of the Karaganda coal mine without a design task, projects and estimates for individual rates, approved by the NKVD of the USSR of the Main Directorate of rail camps (GULZhDS) in coordination with Prombank. Established the volume of investments in 1943 in the amount of 30 million rubles and ordered the People's Commissariat of Finance (NKF) of the USSR Comrade. Zverev make the necessary funding. And this case is not an isolated one. It was necessary to do business. When they say guns - an accountant shut up.



After the war, the state set a clear bar for lovers of fumbling in the state pocket. It was possible to get shot at for 10000 rubles, which corresponded to the price of a Volga executive class car on the black market. Officials lurked and unscrewed for themselves small bribes. This experience in the regulation of bribery, since there is no hope of eradicating it, can be learned even now. It is necessary to be more modest, to think about the people at least sometimes. On industrialization and agriculture to reflect. You need to look closely at large projects, and let grandma look after grandma who trades in the bazaar selling goat milk and parsley.

Russia is on the verge of a great discovery. The discovery of simple truth - the country needs a new industrialization. Must grow fixed assets. The sooner this is understood in the Kremlin, the better. Polite, smiling, scrupulous guys with glasses and contact lenses working in the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation have long ago dug up a huge pile of documents telling about embezzlement, registry alterations, estimates and other things that accompany the construction of airfields, stadiums, bridges and other objects of the national economy . It's time to plant, pre-weed. And then on a clean, beautiful and confiscated field, to grow a beautiful garden for future generations.

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    1. Bastinda
      Bastinda April 20 2018 05: 33
      +59
      Replaced the Dnieper? Kharkov Tractor? Victory in the Great Patriotic War replaced? Or is the atomic bomb not real?
      But about the East and the Angara, there are doubts ...
      1. K.A.S.
        K.A.S. April 20 2018 06: 02
        +3
        Atom Bomb Thank you USA! you listed also with the help of the usa! And you attribute these achievements solely to the union! Discover what has been done in Russia and see what Russia has achieved in 20 years without executions and in cooperation with other countries!
        See how sanctions cannot do what they did with the USSR with modern Russia!
        1. Bastinda
          Bastinda April 20 2018 06: 16
          +47
          Why open "Made in Russia"? For the time being, I walk the streets myself, and I talk with people and work. Also advise TV to watch ... laughing
          Instead of "useless" weaving manufactures, they set up magnificent shopping centers. And “cooperation” with other countries, in the light of recent events, looks ridiculous like that.
          1. K.A.S.
            K.A.S. April 20 2018 06: 21
            +4
            Who's stopping you from opening weaving? Laziness, or as always someone should do and you will commandlaughing
            1. aleks_29296
              aleks_29296 April 20 2018 08: 04
              +40
              Who's stopping you from opening weaving? Laziness, or as always someone should do and you will command

              And lend me denezhek at a normal percentage, but protect from any borrowers, and I will open it. And so smart as you, a lot of proliferated.
            2. raw174
              raw174 April 20 2018 10: 32
              +3
              Quote: K.A.S.
              Who's stopping you from opening weaving? Laziness, or as always someone should do and you will command

              Here I support, not in relation to specific people, but in principle. Now it’s quite possible to open a business. We all know people who don’t want to sit on the priest evenly, spin themselves and live well ... Not everyone can, but it’s real. Freedom comrades! Even after graduation, no one will forcibly send them to wilderness ...
              1. Anti-Corr.
                Anti-Corr. April 20 2018 13: 54
                +7
                Quote: raw174
                not in relation to specific people, but in principle. Now it’s quite possible to open a business. We all know people who don’t want to sit on the priest evenly, spin themselves and live well ... Not everyone can, but it’s real. Freedom comrades! Even after graduation, no one will forcibly send them to wilderness ...

                Is there such freedom?
                1. raw174
                  raw174 April 20 2018 14: 03
                  +6
                  Quote: Anti-Corr.
                  Is there such freedom?

                  I didn’t even look. I live in the village myself, such videos can be shot in the mountains, and not only in Russia, those who want to work. He was carrying a heavy piece of iron with a man, in his GAZelle, they drove for about two hours, talked about different things ... I liked his attitude to life in him. He says: "I don’t understand the whiners! I lost my job, I was laid off. I was at home, and my family wants to eat ... I sold an old Lada, took a loan and bought a GAZelle, now I’m engaged in transportation. Not rich, but enough for life." It was two years ago, last year he brought furniture with him, to his home, he is on the new GAZelle! I ask why I changed it, it says a lot of work, the runs are large, I have to change so that it does not burn out during repairs. That's it! It would be a desire!
                  1. Anti-Corr.
                    Anti-Corr. April 20 2018 14: 16
                    +22
                    Quote: raw174
                    Not rich, but enough for life. "

                    Do you call this life? We are talking about different things. I'm talking about the fact that we are losing the country, and you are about how to steer a gazelle. I wonder what bright future will your "gazelist" move in 6 years?
                    1. raw174
                      raw174 April 20 2018 14: 22
                      +5
                      Quote: Anti-Corr.
                      Do you call this life?

                      And what is your life? A person works, supports a family, raises children. And my father under the USSR was a veterinarian at the state farm and didn’t live richly, and my grandfather was the driver of Mki, you know, he also didn’t go in furs and lived and live and raise children ...
                      Quote: Anti-Corr.
                      I'm talking about the fact that we are losing the country, and you are about how to steer a gazelle.

                      You may lose something, but I took the driver as an example as a person who WORKS instead of complaining and whining.
                      Quote: Anti-Corr.
                      I wonder what bright future will your "gazelist" move in 6 years?

                      A man will find a way to earn and live with dignity.
                      1. Anti-Corr.
                        Anti-Corr. April 20 2018 14: 47
                        +17
                        Quote: raw174
                        And what is your life? A person works, supports a family, raises children.

                        “The battle for life or life for the sake of battles” is two different things. You’d better outline your children’s life a little further, that is, what are the prospects?
                        Quote: raw174
                        A man will find a way to earn and live with dignity.

                        Is this from the series money doesn't smell? And poking into your pockets, is that also a job? You can’t understand in any way that the majority of the population is placed in conditions of survival, but not life.
                    2. polikarpich
                      polikarpich April 23 2018 07: 00
                      0
                      The "bright future" is well described in the novel "Rickshaw" by Chinese writer Lao She. Anyone who has read this amazing description of life at the beginning of the last century of a simple Chinese man will not buy into any liberal tales of modern storytellers.
                  2. freddyk
                    freddyk April 20 2018 18: 16
                    +16
                    No need to tell tales about gazelists here, just like in advertising. The gazelist himself, there is work, but it is not profitable now. About ten, fifteen years ago, yes. And now the monopolists have completely strangled small businesses. We barely make ends meet, and here you rub about a new gazelle every two years. She, for a moment, stands one and a half lemas.
                    1. aws4
                      aws4 April 22 2018 11: 54
                      +7
                      you do not understand!!! it’s an agitation industry of power .. trained people, they sit on all resources and sites and get paid here for such comments ..
                    2. AleBors
                      AleBors April 24 2018 17: 23
                      0
                      I agree. Carry now is not profitable. "Plato" and other charms private trader does not pull.
                  3. Titsen
                    Titsen April 22 2018 20: 53
                    0
                    Quote: raw174
                    Quote: Anti-Corr.
                    Is there such freedom?

                    I didn’t even look. I live in the village myself, such videos can be shot in the mountains, and not only in Russia, those who want to work. He was carrying a heavy piece of iron with a man, in his GAZelle, they drove for about two hours, talked about different things ... I liked his attitude to life in him. He says: "I don’t understand the whiners! I lost my job, I was laid off. I was at home, and my family wants to eat ... I sold an old Lada, took a loan and bought a GAZelle, now I’m engaged in transportation. Not rich, but enough for life." It was two years ago, last year he brought furniture with him, to his home, he is on the new GAZelle! I ask why I changed it, it says a lot of work, the runs are large, I have to change so that it does not burn out during repairs. That's it! It would be a desire!


                    Work as a Gazelle driver?
              2. free
                free April 20 2018 18: 21
                +14
                Quote: raw174
                Quote: K.A.S.
                Who's stopping you from opening weaving? Laziness, or as always someone should do and you will command

                Here I support, not in relation to specific people, but in principle. Now it’s quite possible to open a business. We all know people who don’t want to sit on the priest level, spin themselves and live well ... Not everyone canbut quite real. Freedom comrades! Even after graduation, no one will forcibly send them to wilderness ...

                And those that can’t, where to go to them? Or they didn’t write to the market, so what? And what about teachers, doctors, policemen with their fixed salaries? So they are forced to spin, and what we can do to I can see 24 hours a day.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day April 21 2018 23: 57
                  +6
                  Quote: free
                  But what about teachers, doctors, and cops with their fixed salaries?

                  Medvedev clearly told them, "go into business!"
                  1. free
                    free April 22 2018 07: 45
                    +4
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Quote: free
                    But what about teachers, doctors, and cops with their fixed salaries?

                    Medvedev clearly told them, "go into business!"

                    He himself should go where he should.
                    1. ali-bar60
                      ali-bar60 April 24 2018 14: 29
                      0
                      ... believe me! All are mortal! There were more abruptly these Kremlin celestials ...., Pharaohs, Emperors, Hitlers .., Stalin ... !!! And they already rotted ...! They didn’t take anything with them ... no one helped them ... neither sorcerers .. nor psychics ... etc .. It warms the soul of a simple peasant, like enti bubbles temporarily !!
                      ... with uv.Vasily ..inv.2gr ... mutant of the USSR nuclear test site..g.2018..apr.24..from R.Kh ..
              3. Sasha_Sar
                Sasha_Sar April 23 2018 16: 10
                +3
                Here I read your komenty and wonder. Do you live in Russia? Our state statistics from year to year shows a decline in small and medium-sized businesses. After each such “permission”, tens of thousands of individual entrepreneurs close, go into the “shadow” and stop paying taxes, so that “they don’t get out on the big road with an ax”. And everything is so simple for you, you look less than Kiselev and Solovyov, but rather listen to the advice of Professor Preobrazhensky ...
                1. raw174
                  raw174 April 24 2018 06: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: Sasha_Sar
                  Do you live in Russia?

                  Yes. In the Chelyabinsk region.
                  Quote: Sasha_Sar
                  After each such "permission" tens of thousands of IPs are closed

                  Someone is closing, someone is opening ... Note that there are fewer offers on the market. Traders didn’t less, small-scale production of every shmurdyak didn’t less. On my street, this year, a man also self-employed, opened a carpentry and sells all kinds of wooden nonsense. Tell me not seriously? And the family lives! And we regularly wear wicker baskets, vases and small furniture for work, a person also does it, makes money, a friend of the girl paints portraits on canvas, makes money, I know a person - “Husband for an hour” service. Yes, many in the gray zone do not pay taxes, but this is not what I am talking about; I mean that now no one is pursuing them, if they want, people find something to earn, how to feed their families. It’s easiest to sit and whine that the state didn’t give you, that Putin didn’t provide you, that the deputies deceived you ... Yes, it’s easier, many follow this path, but you can raise your fifth point and go to work. Enough work for everyone! I worked as a taxi driver, for about a year, then made repairs for a year and a half, for about a month I worked in the Magnit store and all this with a higher education. Now a state employee, got a second tower and nothing! My father has been unemployed since 1999! He keeps the apiary and lives well. And you say not to live ...
                  Quote: Sasha_Sar
                  you are smaller than Kiselev and Soloviev

                  I don’t look. We only have Russia-24 and Russia-K from the channels Russia))) They do not show Solovyov there.
                  1. free
                    free April 24 2018 07: 54
                    +2
                    Quote: raw174
                    Quote: Sasha_Sar
                    Do you live in Russia?

                    Yes. In the Chelyabinsk region.
                    Quote: Sasha_Sar
                    After each such "permission" tens of thousands of IPs are closed

                    Someone is closing, someone is opening ... Note that there are fewer offers on the market. There are fewer traders small production of every shmurdyak less. On my street, this year, man also self-taught, opened a carpentry and sells all kinds of wooden nonsense. Tell me not seriously? And the family lives! And for work we regularly wear wicker baskets, vases and small furniture, a person also makes, earns money, a friend of the girl paints portraits on canvas, earns money, I know a person - “Husband for an hour” service. Yes, many people in the gray zone do not pay taxes, but I’m not talking about this either, I mean that now no one is pursuing them, if they want, people find something to earn, how to feed their families. It’s easiest to sit and whine that the state didn’t give you, that Putin didn’t provide you, that the deputies deceived you ... Yes, it’s easier, many follow this path, but you can raise your fifth point and go to work. Enough work for everyone! I worked as a taxi driver, for about a year, then made repairs for a year and a half, for about a month I worked in the Magnit store and all this with a higher education. Now a state employee, got a second tower and nothing! My father has been unemployed since 1999! He keeps the apiary and lives well. And you say not to live ...
                    Quote: Sasha_Sar
                    you are smaller than Kiselev and Soloviev

                    I don’t look. We only have Russia-24 and Russia-K from the channels Russia))) They do not show Solovyov there.

                    And what do you call life? Why do we need a state that does not care about us, that doesn’t care if people find work for themselves, will they be healthy, will they be able to give decent education to their children or not, will their children live with dignity? Yes, now you can to survive, but not many people manage to live. The state also needs to ensure that a simple person does not bother (but is obliged to know the principle of action) with the size of his future pension and the opportunity to live on it, the availability of medicine and education, a strong economy and defense, and many others . A simple person must work and live, not survive!
                    And only damned capitalists governing the state remove all social obligations from themselves and turn the state into an instrument of maintaining their power and collecting taxes.
                    1. raw174
                      raw174 April 24 2018 09: 35
                      +2
                      Quote: free
                      Why do we need a state that does not care about us,

                      What care do you want? Can you go to the doctors? YES. I was injured (the dog was severely bitten), I was treated for free, incl. injected immunoglobulin and anti-rabies drugs, these are not cheap things ... At work, the family did IVF, also for free, an ambulance works. My wife gave birth last year, everything was free, with excellent service (Regional Center), this year we are waiting for replenishment, we did some complicated procedures (analyzes), didn’t pay a dime. The police are working. They haven’t come in handy for me yet, but overall the picture is not bad, it’s not scary to walk along the street. The army is quite foolish, parents are pensioners, they receive their pension without delay ... The state is fulfilling its obligations. We live in the market, therefore, in terms of personal income, it’s like saving the drowning. Are you not used to the Soviet system?
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 April 24 2018 09: 38
                        +3
                        Quote: raw174
                        I was injured (a dog bit a lot), I was treated for free,

                        I was treating a tooth that week, 262 ruble per injection. crying
                    2. Sasha_Sar
                      Sasha_Sar April 24 2018 09: 47
                      +4
                      Andrei is useless to prove anything to this "severe guy from Chelyabinsk". To give arguments in vain. He doesn’t understand one thing, that we don’t whine even while sitting on our ass. I have a pension (not big) from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, plus I work for a living and there are enough three boys to educate. If he believes that weaving bast shoes and thereby live it is normal. Let it count.
            3. AA17
              AA17 April 20 2018 12: 33
              +29
              Dear, Kostya. These sanctions have not yet begun. They will begin when the United States prohibits ALL countries from selling to Russia: it prohibits the purchase of machinery and equipment for high-tech equipment purchased abroad, from Russia, as well as other raw materials. You think this is fantastic. No. This is an objective reality. Who until recently would have thought that they would "shake" our oligarchs. And today it is a reality.
              Regarding your phrase: "... who's stopping the opening of weaving? ..." and your funny emoticon. This is not at all funny. You are simply not in the subject. I am engaged in the wholesale supply of working clothing. I work with companies producing workwear from Ivanovo. Overalls are sewn from Chinese fabric. To my question to workwear manufacturers: why do they themselves not produce fabric? They answered me: WHY? Weaving machines need to be purchased in China. Components for machines must be purchased in China. Yarn, threads - in China. Dyes for fabrics - in China. Therefore, it is easier to buy finished fabric in China.
              P.S. When a person asks the question: “Who is stopping you from opening weaving?”, It is logical to assume that this comrade has already gone this thorny way of organizing production from scratch in Russia. Tell us, share your experience, what releases your created production? What machines do you work on? Have troubles with components? How and where do you sell products. I will find out very interesting.
              1. raw174
                raw174 April 20 2018 14: 17
                +4
                Quote: AA17
                Tell us, share your experience, what releases your created production?

                In my village a little less than 10 thousand people. lives, we all know each other. We have 4 mini enterprises engaged in the manufacture of furniture. I know two well. I was in their workshops, in one they work together, in the other about 10 people. their tool is China and ours (Makita, Interskol, etc.), raw materials (chipboard, plywood, etc. accessories) are taken at a wholesaler in the city (400 km.), whose I don’t know ... They make good furniture, they make money acceptable. Such needleworkers are in every district center ...
                1. Anti-Corr.
                  Anti-Corr. April 20 2018 14: 31
                  +16
                  Quote: raw174
                  and ours (Makita, Interskol, etc.), raw materials (particleboard, plywood, etc. accessories) are taken at a wholesaler in the city (400 km.), whose I don’t know ...

                  Since when did Makita and Interskol become ours? We don’t have any electric tools! The accessories are all Chaynovskaya.
                  Soon your needlework will not be needed by anyone, tea will flood you with products from our forest !!!
                  1. raw174
                    raw174 April 20 2018 14: 43
                    +3
                    Quote: Anti-Corr.
                    Since when did Makita and Interskol become ours?

                    Interskol - Russian manufacturer. Yes, they have some production in China, as actually all brands (Bosch, Mercedes, etc.)
                    Quote: Anti-Corr.
                    Soon your needlework will not be needed by anyone, tea will flood you with products from our forest !!!

                    No. I ordered furniture for myself locally, furniture is made to order for a specific room, here mass production is not good ... Of course you can get a cabinet or a table, but a wardrobe, a bed, a kitchen ...
                    1. aws4
                      aws4 April 22 2018 12: 03
                      +5
                      Well, if Interskol is a Russian manufacturer, then foreign cars that are assembled from car kits are also domestic .. bravo !!!!! All the main details of the Interskol electric tools are made in China, if you consider this a production I congratulate you
                  2. raw174
                    raw174 April 20 2018 14: 46
                    +1
                    Quote: Anti-Corr.
                    We don’t have any electric tools!

                    Here is a little official:
                    CJSC Interskol is a Russian company manufacturing, selling and servicing power tools (drills, rotary hammers, circular saws, electric planers, grinding and polishing machines, etc.). The headquarters is located in Khimki, Moscow Region. In 2009, Interskol acquired the Italian company Felisatti - a manufacturer of miter saws and milling machines. Automated machining centers and assembly lines from the Felisatti plant in Ferrara (Italy) were relocated to Russia at the Interskol plant in Bykovo, Moscow Region. In April 2010, Interskol acquired a controlling stake in the Spanish factory CASALS, which produces a professional product line under the brand name “FREUD Industrial”
                    ___2009 Creation of a joint venture of ICG - Interskol Crown Group with the largest Chinese manufacturer of power tools.
                    Production - Interskol Plant, Moscow Region, Russia (face-miter saws)
                    Interskol Crown Group, Jinhua, China (angle grinders, drills, planers, saws)
                    Shanghai Interskol Manufacturing Ltd., Shanghai, China (cordless drills and screwdrivers).
                    1. Sasha_Sar
                      Sasha_Sar April 23 2018 16: 35
                      +1
                      Take my word for it as a person who has been cooperating with INTERSKOL for several years. Yes, there are a couple of factories in Yelabug that I do not know what they produce there, since everything that comes to us is made in China. They tried to launch the professional FELISATI line, supposedly an Italian instrument, but everything was "blown away." INTERSKOL itself is bent, they cannot satisfy the needs of the market, and the fact that their office and brand is registered in Khimki, the Moscow Region, does not mean anything. Now about the furniture makers. As my old fellow said: "A stranger x .. in his hands always seems fatter." Over the same several years, I work very closely with furniture makers. So those who have a monthly production turnover of several tens of millions still survive somehow, but if the emperor’s business goes on, then they will be bent. But my neighbor, who has a shop (3-4 workers) accountants and installers (for hire) has been making ends meet ate for the last 3 years. Yes, one small question, if you have 10 thousand people in the city, 4 workshops of four each, and what do the rest live with? And they live not badly once these four “IPs” do not turn around.
                      1. raw174
                        raw174 April 24 2018 06: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: Sasha_Sar
                        since everything that comes to us is made in China.

                        Buy a Bosch light bulb in the car, where will it be made? And then look where the American iPhone is made into the board. Maybe you remember, about 7 years ago, there was a scandal with Mercedes, there was a big recall of sedans (Yeshki, if I’m not mistaken, but not sure), because of some wild marriages, so they were also made in China ... It's simple, where labor is cheaper, costs are lower, and production is there. So the Chinese want to live better and require more payment, production will move somewhere else. Of greater importance is the country of origin and brand owner.
                        Quote: Sasha_Sar
                        But my neighbor, who has a shop (3-4 workers) accountants and installers (for hire) has been making ends meet ate for the last 3 years.

                        Honestly, I don’t know the income figures. But furniture makers work, if they work, it means there is income ... They drive a car, they fly to the sea to rest, they grow up children, so there is income.
                        Quote: Sasha_Sar
                        if you have 10 thousand people in the city, 4 workshops of four each, and what do the rest live with?

                        This is not a city, a village. Who is doing what, in the civil service (administrations, police, teachers, culture, border guards, etc.), There are a lot of farmers, they work for them, traders of all sorts, small-scale production, a family lives on my street, they live by their personal households, they breed cows. .. City-forming there is nothing. Our population is declining, although this process has begun since the beginning of the 80s.
                2. Bastinda
                  Bastinda April 20 2018 15: 14
                  +18
                  I also work in a small furniture company. Furniture prices are slightly higher than in Italy. From Russian only MDF (Sharya). Everything else is imported.
                  And the nameplate on the screwdriver to stick is not great merit. (Interskol)
                3. New Year day
                  New Year day April 22 2018 00: 05
                  +7
                  Quote: raw174
                  ours (Makita, Interskol, etc.)

                  Makita produces over 350 types of tools and over 4500 accessories to them. To date, the Makita assortment has over 1000 items. Makita includes 8 manufacturing enterprises, of which three are located in Europe: in the UK, Germany and Romania.
                  Interskol.
                  Interskol Plant, Moscow Region, Russia (face-miter saws)
                  Interskol power tool SL [8], Ripoll, Spain (professional range of milling hand machines, grinding machines, rotary hammers, etc.)
                  Interskol Crown Group, Jinhua, China (angle grinders, drills, planers, saws)
                  Shanghai Interskol Manufacturing Ltd., Shanghai, China (cordless drills and screwdrivers)
                  Global Garden Product (GGP), Italy, Cooperation Partner (gardening equipment)
                  Sparky, Bulgaria, Cooperation partner (perforators)
                  So Makita has no relation to the Russian Federation at all, and Interskol partially. They have an office in Khimki, production behind the cordon. The plant in Yelabuga opened. But the product barcode is not Russian
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          2. Awaz
            Awaz April 22 2018 08: 24
            0
            Well, right now build a dozen weaving factories around the country. That is, the authorities have money. Only who will manage these factories and where and to whom to sell products? While it is profitable to sell crude oil, it will be sold. It became profitable to sell grain - grain sales increased sharply. It will become profitable to make fabrics in Russia, and then we need to build these weaving factories .. The topic is very complex and long and cannot be solved at once .. But the past cannot be returned ... We must adapt to modern realities
            1. Severok
              Severok April 22 2018 12: 41
              +6
              You don’t know who you work with, but in production and political economy there’s nothing at all.
              It is more profitable to produce IN THE COUNTRY from the fact that for every ruble of production costs IN YOUR COUNTRY at least XNUMX rubles remain in it. And for every ruble spent on an imported product, the country LOSES these five rubles that go abroad.
            2. Sasha_Sar
              Sasha_Sar April 23 2018 16: 42
              +3
              Well, you’re just like Taburetkin, you can produce your tanks in FIGs if they are worse than a leopard, but it’s not decent to recall armored vehicles ....
        2. ava09
          ava09 April 20 2018 09: 30
          +29
          By and large - it’s better that no one has this bomb, from the word “ABSOLUTELY” ... And I will remind individuals with fragmented thinking: even if some technologies were mined by effective Intelligence Labor, without prepared soil (science, production, etc.) .d and the like) only God could produce an atomic bomb from zero in such a time. The USSR was FORCED to force production (thanks to Beria), because otherwise, your dearly beloved United States would have implemented the Dropshot plan for the atomic bombing of the Soviet Union in 1950.
          1. raw174
            raw174 April 20 2018 14: 24
            +3
            Quote: ava09
            By and large - it is better that no one has this bomb, from the word "ABSOLUTELY"

            Thanks to nuclear weapons there are no major world wars in the world ... This is the most powerful deterrent.
            1. ava09
              ava09 April 20 2018 22: 22
              +2
              Quote: raw174
              Thanks to nuclear weapons there are no big world wars in the world

              Any condition that is currently working ceases to be effective at the time of the transformation of the existing system. Moreover, at the bifurcation point, when any most insignificant earlier and even random factor can become decisive. The presence of nuclear weapons does not give any guarantees, especially before the millennial paradigm crumbling before our eyes and the loss of everything by those who have real power.
        3. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 20 2018 10: 53
          +15
          Quote: K.A.S.
          Atom Bomb Thank you USA!

          Theory Yes. The obtained data allowed to cut off deadlock paths and reduce R&D time.
          But drawings and technologies without an industry capable of translating them into metal are just a pile of paper. And the USSR had to create this industry itself, and from scratch.
          1. ava09
            ava09 April 20 2018 22: 25
            +6
            Let the United States themselves say thanks for the nuclear bomb to the German physicists (though for space too), whom they removed from the Third Reich.
        4. Fitter65
          Fitter65 April 20 2018 15: 41
          +2
          Quote: K.A.S.
          what Russia has achieved in 20 years without executions and in cooperation with other countries!

          Well, Western countries have fallen through, but the third planet from the sun with the inscription RUSSIA is still intact. And this is really MADE BY RUSSIA.
        5. albert
          albert April 20 2018 17: 57
          +2
          Quote: K.A.S.
          Atomic bomb thank you USA

          Thanks to our intelligence, not the Yankees negative
        6. ava09
          ava09 April 20 2018 22: 40
          +3
          Quote: K.A.S.
          Atom Bomb Thank you USA! you listed also with the help of the usa! And you attribute these achievements solely to the union! Discover what has been done in Russia and see what Russia has achieved in 20 years without executions and in cooperation with other countries!
          See how sanctions cannot do what they did with the USSR with modern Russia!

          Do you live in America yourself, meager? For your Russophobia, many talents are not required. and you even write - an error on an error. Be educated slightly for a start, then snout your nose into the ranks and express your opinions.
        7. New Year day
          New Year day April 22 2018 00: 10
          +3
          Quote: K.A.S.
          Atom Bomb Thank you USA!

          maybe thanks to Germany? The breakthrough in the USA over the atomic bomb project "coincided" with the export of a group of scientists to the USA from Germany
        8. aws4
          aws4 April 22 2018 11: 48
          +2
          Bravo cool licked the current government !!!! I was especially surprised that thanks to the USA for the bomb, they helped to create it just like that .. and what does it mean with the help of the USA ??? they donated at a loss to themselves helped build factories ??? don’t you think that everything that was obtained by blood and then with the help of Soviet intelligence, everything that was bought for gold and currency can’t be called help .. you reminded me now of such a creative personality as Kolya Fomenko .. so here he is in one of the interviews as he said - (we wear jeans and other goods and they all gave us this) I thought he was crazy .. then I work and earn money and after that I buy it, I buy jeans for myself and I should be grateful to them ??? for the fact that I bought their goods, they should thank me and not like me ... so dear KAS - there was no help in building the newspaper factories of the steamers from them, the union pulled it out from them or bought it three expensive and fed their budget and thank you they should tell us and not we to them ..
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 20 2018 05: 47
      +33
      Quote: K.A.S.
      Article is a fairy tale! The Soviet system is based on postscripts and substitutions!

      the current "system" - theft, home registry, corruption and the substitution of concepts. - and this is not a fairy tale ...
      1. K.A.S.
        K.A.S. April 20 2018 05: 56
        +3
        Tell us how much for what and to whom you gave bribes! Only honestly!
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich April 20 2018 06: 06
          +21
          Quote: K.A.S.
          Tell us how much for what and to whom you gave bribes! Only honestly!

          do you have an informational vacuum? insist on "clave" - ​​"for bribes", and you will be happy ...
          1. K.A.S.
            K.A.S. April 20 2018 06: 24
            +6
            What does Klava have to do with it (and that the Internet is the truth) I ask you a specific person who talks about bribes! Share your experience! Or is your bribing experience based on gossip from the internet?
            1. Nix1986
              Nix1986 April 20 2018 07: 12
              +19
              I knew a lot of facts when I worked as an auditor, I know now and so what ?! At one time, he handed over the materials to the Accounts Chamber, where they annually "drowned and burned in safes." Do not pretend to be a nun.
            2. free
              free April 20 2018 07: 37
              +17
              Quote: K.A.S.
              What does Klava have to do with it (and that the Internet is the truth) I ask you a specific person who talks about bribes! Share your experience! Or is your bribing experience based on gossip from the internet?

              Discover made in Russia and see what Russia has achieved in 20 years without executions and in cooperation with other countries!
              Yours? So what about the Internet?
              1. aws4
                aws4 April 22 2018 12: 15
                +3
                cool you dipped it)))))))))))))))
            3. Gardamir
              Gardamir April 20 2018 09: 20
              +15
              Or is your bribing experience based on gossip from the internet?
              and what were you based on when telling tales about how the Soviet Union would have bent if America hadn’t helped?
            4. Fox
              Fox April 20 2018 19: 55
              +5
              Quote: K.A.S.
              I ask you a specific person who talks about bribes

              he served in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, they closed the bribe to the mayor of Tolyatti ... and a bunch of episodes. but to you, dear, this is not an indicator. you exist in your "spherical vacuum".
          2. Fitter65
            Fitter65 April 20 2018 15: 50
            +2
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            do you have an informational vacuum? insist on "clave" - ​​"for bribes", and you will be happy ...

            Over his entire conscious life, he has never given bribes. And everything went like everyone else. They came to Izvania in a timely manner, and put them on the job in a timely manner, and as everyone received the Grant. I bought the apartment without any problems. For not strapped in the car mother-in-law as it should be fine paid. Try not to give, I’m talking about bribes, and not about which they immediately started up (?), So try to draw up some documents without trying to give (a bribe), especially through your personal account, the same chicken fruits, but cheaper.
        2. freddyk
          freddyk April 20 2018 18: 32
          +7
          Are you kidding, or really off topic. Almost any order for kickbacks. But what if it’s not a bribe?
          1. Awaz
            Awaz April 22 2018 09: 19
            0
            I generally agree with you. However, if you are in this topic, you probably noticed that the number of these kickbacks has greatly decreased. I myself don’t come across it, but I have a friend who works on orders and from the state. In any case, he has not been milked recently, although the authorities (representatives of the authorities) still present troubles
        3. aws4
          aws4 April 22 2018 12: 12
          0
          I personally gave a bribe yesterday .. I won’t tell anyone .. for which I don’t seem to .. but I wouldn’t give you a bribe laughing
    3. BecmepH
      BecmepH April 20 2018 06: 43
      +33
      Kostya, “minus” to you for hatred. For the hatred of the country that gave you life.
      See do not drown in your own poison, which pours out of you in a stream.
      Thanks to the United States of America, France and other capitalists for the industrialization of the Soviet Union!
      I have not heard more stupidity. Bowing to them? But why do you live there? Afraid of the fate of the Skripals?
      1. K.A.S.
        K.A.S. April 20 2018 07: 02
        0
        And whose plant is Ford. engines syuza dniproges.bt and so on? This is the truth of life. Learn materiel and do not write nonsense about hatred and poison!
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH April 20 2018 07: 16
          +32
          Quote: K.A.S.
          And whose plant is Ford. engines syuza dniproges.bt and so on? This is the truth of life.

          Well, yes, we started from this. And then it was mine. Not this way?
          Ford tanks collected us? What about airplanes? Well, etc.
          For you, the west and the SGA icon. Such types in the government do not allow our production, our science, our medicine, our technologies to develop ... But our brains are the best. Nobody argues with this. Here are just like the haters of the Fatherland and lovers of the West who cut everything in the bud. Do not give development to domestic.
          I took the antidote from your poison, prepared to wipe the spray.
          Let’s rage, NEPATRIOT ...
          1. Schima68
            Schima68 April 20 2018 17: 53
            +6
            Well, what are you talking with him, this is KAC, and that’s it!
        2. Ivan Tucha
          Ivan Tucha April 20 2018 12: 30
          +5
          Here you are right. The only difference is that the USSR of the 30s-early 40s imported new and tested equipment and technologies, but not as it is now or what is not needed or with a delay of 1,5-8 years. Just recently read an article about this ...
        3. Awaz
          Awaz April 22 2018 09: 21
          +1
          why do you admire the Chinese. They also started completely on Western equipment and technologies, and even specialists ...
        4. aws4
          aws4 April 22 2018 12: 20
          +1
          and all this was presented to us ??? or the USSR bought it for blood squeezed out of the country? I repeat again, let them say thanks ..
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 April 20 2018 07: 21
        +5
        Quote: BecmepH
        Kostya, “minus” to you for hatred. For the hatred of the country that gave you life.

        Alexei, what does hate have to do with it? If Konstantin told a lie, disprove him!
        Quote: BecmepH
        I have not heard more stupidity

        Well, yes, Rockefeller’s money, 20 thousand foreign specialists, finished projects of factories - this is definitely complete nonsense !!!!
        1. Humpty
          Humpty April 20 2018 07: 31
          +9
          Quote: Serg65
          20 thousand foreign specialists, finished projects of factories - this is definitely complete nonsense !!!!

          Hello ! Speaking of thieves, perhaps the most executing case of embezzlement was in our city under Khrushchev in the early 60s. When, despite attempts at Israeli intervention, 16 Jewish personalities and dozens of Jews were shot and dozens of people around them turned around. Instead of being shot, the first secretary of the Central Committee of the republic was transferred to quiet work in Moscow.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 April 20 2018 08: 47
            +6
            Hi Sasha! hi
            Quote: Humpty
            perhaps, after all, the most firing case about thefts was in our city under Khrushchev

            Ohhh, the affair of the Alamedin Knitwear Factory was revealing and noisy !!!!! By the way, they arranged a small cooperative at the factory, they arranged people of Jewish nationality evacuated from Western Ukraine, and burned down for a stupid laughing !
            1. Humpty
              Humpty April 20 2018 09: 19
              +3
              Quote: Serg65
              staged a small cooperative at the factory staged people of Jewish nationality evacuated from Western Ukraine, and burnt by stupid

              By the way I did not know about their place of origin. Although I know quite our Russian people with Western roots. The place of residence affects a person. For example Belogorka. From there, the Kirghiz were exiled to Ukraine, and there they were west-glossed.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 April 20 2018 09: 25
                +2
                laughing I'm here. Sash, I recently read about Czechs from Interhelpo, that's where the real western is !!!! They seduced, brought, thrown into the field. They raised the industry of Frunze and the agriculture of the western outskirts of the city, they are by the head, and the cooperative in the bosom of the state wassat
                1. Humpty
                  Humpty April 20 2018 09: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: Serg65
                  recently about Czechs from Interhelp

                  Some of the Czechs still remained. Not everyone pulled into Israel. The wife of Borivoy Marechek knew a little.
        2. BecmepH
          BecmepH April 20 2018 10: 05
          +4
          Quote: Serg65
          Alexei, what does hate have to do with it? If Konstantin told a lie, disprove him!

          So I refuted it. Be careful.
          Well, yes, we started from this. And then it was mine. Not this way?
          Ford tanks collected us? What about airplanes? Well, etc.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 April 20 2018 10: 35
            +2
            Quote: BecmepH
            Well, yes, we started from this. And then it was mine. Not this way?
            Ford tanks collected us? What about airplanes? Well, etc.

            This is not a refutation, but a statement of subsequent events! In addition, it is Rockefeller’s lobbying that we owe the appearance of Sharmanov, Studabekker, Willis, Dodge, Aerocobra, Bostonov in the Red Army. laughing Among the Soviet soldiers (according to the memoirs of my father), there was a firm belief that the Second Front stew was made in the USA from hippos!
            Alexei, if there is a history of our country, why redo it? It was, it was, it wasn’t, so it’s not necessary to invent it! For the sake of ideology, changing history, only harm to ideology itself!
            hi
            1. BecmepH
              BecmepH April 20 2018 10: 52
              +14
              Sergey, no offense, but with people like you do not want to talk. You like the last word to be yours and you consider yourself right only. You revel in your innocence seeing only what you want.
              Okay, I’ll decrypt it.
              Well, yes, we started from this. And then it was mine. Not this way?

              Yes, there was both foreign technology and foreign technology, and I did not deny this.
              Ford tanks collected us? What about airplanes? Well, etc.

              T-34, KV-1, Il, Pe, SPSh well, etc. Ford collected? Or Rockefeller sponsored?
              Knee-bow to the West is your business. Just look around carefully ...
              The knee-advanced pose of the West is no longer exciting. They already need a knee-elbow ...
              Dear, Serg65, you remind me of a boy from Urengoy. Good luck.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 April 20 2018 11: 20
                +2
                Quote: BecmepH
                Sergey, no offense, but with people like you do not want to talk. You like the last word to be yours and you consider yourself right only. You revel in your innocence seeing only what you want.

                laughing Not at all, man! I do not like lies in history, whatever the story, but this is the story of my homeland! smile And what does “last word” mean? We have a dispute, not an ideological debate, and note, I did not impose labels on you wink If I'm wrong, then I apologize - this is life! I don’t revel in my rightness, I’m just tired of listening to lies for the sake of someone’s ideology, excuse my straightforwardness!
                Quote: BecmepH
                Knee-bow to the West - Your business

                what Where did I bow, my friend? Isn't telling the truth good?
                Quote: BecmepH
                You remind me of a boy from Urengoy.

                How do you and people like you like hanging labels, just awful recourse what do you and your associates get to insanity ... whoever is not a communist is not Russian!
            2. BecmepH
              BecmepH April 20 2018 11: 00
              +8
              Quote: Serg65
              Among the Soviet soldiers (according to the memoirs of my father), there was a firm belief that the Second Front stew was made in the USA from hippos!

              Quote: Serg65
              Among the Soviet soldiers (according to the memoirs of my father), there was a firm belief that the Second Front stew was made in the USA from hippos!

              I won’t be surprised if you let us know that without America and England we would not have won
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 April 20 2018 11: 27
                +3
                Quote: BecmepH
                I won’t be surprised if you let us know that without America and England we would not have won

                Do not blunt Alex! The fact that Stalin managed to knock out Land Liz for the communist USSR honor and praise! Lend Liz saved the lives of many Soviet soldiers and civilians, but he was not a decisive factor. and your wringing pens and rolling your eyes - why?
      3. free
        free April 20 2018 07: 39
        +7
        Quote: BecmepH
        Kostya, “minus” to you for hatred. For the hatred of the country that gave you life.
        See do not drown in your own poison, which pours out of you in a stream.
        Thanks to the United States of America, France and other capitalists for the industrialization of the Soviet Union!
        I have not heard more stupidity. Bowing to them? But why do you live there? Afraid of the fate of the Skripals?

        And another minus for stupidity.
    4. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 April 20 2018 06: 59
      +21
      K.A.S (Kostya)
      “Money is needed to carry out industrialization” Fair remark, therefore it is better to invest money in US securities. Why do we need industrialization? We have so many natural resources, all we need to buy. Developing technologies is also not necessary, we will buy at a percentage of deposits. Right? The atomic bomb is also a gift from the USA. With hydrogen a little hurried, well, what happens. The first astronaut Gagarin - but he was not in space! From the Crimean Bridge series - shot on a mosfilm.
      1. K.A.S.
        K.A.S. April 20 2018 07: 04
        0
        I’ll ask a simple question. What technology did you develop? And about securities, learn the materiel because I’m tired of explaining elementary and simple things to sofa economists !!!! No offense!!!
        1. Bumblebee_3
          Bumblebee_3 April 20 2018 07: 16
          +21
          No offense, what I developed (well, not personally, I took part), you do not need to know. And the economy, with its common truths, I personally do not consider science. The laws of physics, mathematics, chemistry work the same way, well, as the economy begins, then 2x2 is not 4, but how much is needed, we will do so. No offense.
          1. forty-eighth
            forty-eighth April 20 2018 11: 16
            +4
            Nothing of the kind, in economics, just like in other sciences, laws are objective, and 2x2 = 4. It’s just those “economists” from the box, the same scientists as fans of the “inertialess movement”, “flat Earth”, and “Denisovsky Man” from the natural sciences.
            1. Bumblebee_3
              Bumblebee_3 April 20 2018 11: 45
              +2
              forty-eighth (Dima) Today, 11:16
              Sinful, father! About a flat Earth and Denisovsky man I do not believe !!! Tomorrow they will declare palmistry or occultism to be a science, then I should tell you: Learn the old man’s materiel! Learn the materiel! Well, if you do not know the laws of palmistry, you are an ignoramus, it makes no sense to talk with you. Yes, I’m a techie, and still can’t understand what VAT is! What is this tax on value, who added it and why? .
            2. zoolu350
              zoolu350 April 22 2018 07: 20
              +1
              Yeah, schach. It was Marx who tried to shove the economy into the formula 2 * 2 = 4. But in the 19th century, he did not predict the appearance of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, in which the prices for fuels and lubricants are steadily rising, although prices for the main raw materials (oil) are falling, that is, 2 * 2 = 5.
        2. Schima68
          Schima68 April 20 2018 17: 58
          +1
          Wise guy, go shave and wash the eggs, stink here.
          1. Bumblebee_3
            Bumblebee_3 April 20 2018 20: 14
            +2
            Vasily, when you answer, please write a name or nickname. And then your post is not at all clear. Sincerely.
        3. Nehist
          Nehist April 21 2018 05: 00
          +2
          Dear K.A.S !!! There is such a nation Japanese !! So !!! This nation Over the past 200 years has not invented anything !!! However, this does not prevent them from being a leading power in some areas of high technology
    5. raw174
      raw174 April 20 2018 10: 23
      +10
      Quote: K.A.S.
      Industrialization still needs technology! Thanks to the United States of America, France and other capitalists for the industrialization of the Soviet Union!

      Those. Do you think that these are Anglo-Saxons, out of natural kindness, having seen the low level of production of the USSR, they industrialized? This is some kind of nonsense!
      Yes, the first production was built on Western technology. MMK, ChTZ, ChTPZ, etc., were built with the participation of engineers from Detroit and other cities in the West and worked on their machines, attention, PURCHASED !!! Union. The West did the work for money (gold and so on. Shmurdyak). Therefore, they did not industrialize the USSR, but earned money. Mutually beneficial cooperation.
    6. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh April 20 2018 10: 29
      +5
      We are so stupid and unable to come up with technology ourselves. We have to take the technology stolen from us by the West and build factories if the West gives us money.
      Quote: K.A.S.
      Thanks to the United States of America, France and other capitalists for the industrialization of the Soviet Union!
      They did it for free.

      Quote: K.A.S.
      Article is a fairy tale! The Soviet system is based on postscripts and substitutions!
      Your education postscript and substitution.
    7. siberalt
      siberalt April 20 2018 10: 38
      +4
      The postscripts have always been and will be. In the USSR, this was not spurred on by greed, but mainly by obligations to implement the state plan launched from above, on which much depended, both for individual bosses and for individual industries as a whole. It got to the point of absurdity. So, for example, Altai Territory fulfilled the plan for raw cotton. But Altai cotton has never been grown purely for climatic reasons. The largest posts were naturally in construction, including road. But the monster in postscript was the USSR Ministry of Land Reclamation and Water Management. Billions were buried in the ground there. And to check it really was not possible due to the specifics and geography of the work. The same applies to the construction of dams and dams on Siberian rivers. And it was a real system of postscripts. Judging by the number of criminal cases related to postscript, there were only a few of them in criminal statistics. The most high-profile cotton case in Uzbekistan (investigators Gdlyan, Ivanov). And even that almost fell apart at the end. There have already been discovered "postscripts" of the investigators themselves. But now postscripts have become the norm, but they are called abuse of authority or misuse of funds. Which, in fact, is a common bureaucratic rent. But this system is much more dangerous than the one that was in the Union, already because it is greedy in nature. hi
    8. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 April 20 2018 10: 54
      +7
      Quote: K.A.S.
      Article is a fairy tale! The Soviet system is based on postscripts and substitutions!

      The Soviet system of the Stalin period is based on effective methods of dealing with those very postscripts. It is a pity that Stalin did not have a computer !!!
    9. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx April 20 2018 11: 04
      0
      Facts! Facts where? And not a few!
    10. Fitter65
      Fitter65 April 20 2018 12: 55
      +5
      Quote: K.A.S.
      Industrialization still needs technology! Thanks to the United States of America, France and other capitalists for the industrialization of the Soviet Union!

      So what technologies did other capitalists give us? For all their goods they received a full denyuzhku. Moreover, at that time in the West it seemed like there was a great depression, and the capitalist comrades gladly sold these technologies ....
    11. Anti-Corr.
      Anti-Corr. April 20 2018 13: 56
      +7
      Quote: K.A.S.
      The Soviet system is based on postscripts and substitutions!

      For 30 years, they have plundered the Soviet legacy and will not choke.
      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad April 20 2018 15: 18
        0
        Quote: Anti-Corr.
        For 30 years, they have plundered the Soviet legacy and will not choke.

        Who is stealing? And from whom?
    12. uskrabut
      uskrabut April 20 2018 15: 26
      +6
      Quote: K.A.S.
      Article is a fairy tale! The Soviet system is based on postscripts and substitutions!

      A very stupid statement, to say the least. As many as credited at present, in the USSR only in a nightmare could dream. Why in a nightmare? Because it would mean 100% shooting.
    13. Petr1
      Petr1 April 20 2018 16: 11
      +3
      Putin is simply merciful, he loves to forgive everyone, because he’s not thoughtful. But he doesn’t forgive only traitors !!! But thieves of steal are not traitors !!!! Merciful and all-forgiving laughing
  2. Oleg Jacket
    Oleg Jacket April 20 2018 05: 49
    +22
    No need to plant.
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH April 20 2018 06: 50
      +15
      Quote: Oleg Jacket
      No need to plant.

      I agree. Stop rolling cotton wool
      1. free
        free April 20 2018 07: 52
        +13
        Quote: BecmepH
        Quote: Oleg Jacket
        No need to plant.

        I agree. Stop rolling cotton wool

        The only question is whether they will shoot from themselves? We need to find a way without destroying the state to put the power in front of a tough choice. It is possible, as the first step on this path, to carry out a general political election, I am sure there will be sensible people who are not indifferent.When everyone will understand that the facts of embezzlement, immoral behavior, corruption of state authorities, the dominance of bankers who took the population into financial slavery, concern him directly! When everyone will understand how this concerns him! To crank up such tricks will become more difficult than an example.Simply put, such cases need to be dealt with from a class position, then it will become clear that society is divided into classes. And that the bulk of people live poorly because they are oppressed.
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH April 20 2018 10: 06
          +1
          Andrey, think right. "+" To you.
        2. uskrabut
          uskrabut April 20 2018 15: 30
          +1
          Yeah, we will be oppressed to say that they are oppressed, and the oppressors will stupidly continue to rob the country and people. Can they bail them also? Like they’re not to blame, it’s the public’s fault, they didn’t look! Stop chattering the problem.
          1. free
            free April 20 2018 18: 34
            +2
            Quote: uskrabut
            Yeah, we will be oppressed to say that they are oppressed, and the oppressors will stupidly continue to rob the country and people. Can they bail them also? Like they’re not to blame, it’s the public’s fault, they didn’t look! Stop chattering the problem.

            So now try to explain something to people and encourage them to do even the most harmless things on a united front, at least here in the VO!? You can only stir up power by consolidating at least a significant part of society, and for those whom you unite you must clearly understand that what is happening and why, not otherwise, and what needs to be done to change the situation. And there, the real people's party is not far away. For this, we need a political election program. The Internet is carrying out educational program to help.
        3. New Year day
          New Year day April 22 2018 00: 38
          +6
          Quote: free
          The only question is whether they will shoot from themselves?

          example Vasilyeva, Serdyukov did not you convince?

          Quote: free
          It is necessary to find a way, without destroying the state, to put power before a tough choice.

          how can you / people put power before a choice? This is utopia.
          Quote: free
          facts of embezzlement, immoral behavior, corruption of state power bodies, dominance of bankers who took the population into financial slavery, concern it directly!

          you are right, it concerns each of us, but the trouble is there is NOTHING we can do about it. Only the state has the right to violence. And how the state apparatus works — you yourself have already said.

          Quote: free
          it is clear that society is divided into classes

          we have formed a class of oppressors, and the working class has degraded, however, like the social stratum, the intelligentsia
          1. free
            free April 22 2018 07: 52
            0
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: free
            The only question is whether they will shoot from themselves?

            example Vasilyeva, Serdyukov did not you convince?

            Quote: free
            It is necessary to find a way, without destroying the state, to put power before a tough choice.

            how can you / people put power before a choice? This is utopia.
            Quote: free
            facts of embezzlement, immoral behavior, corruption of state power bodies, dominance of bankers who took the population into financial slavery, concern it directly!

            you are right, it concerns each of us, but the trouble is there is NOTHING we can do about it. Only the state has the right to violence. And how the state apparatus works — you yourself have already said.

            Quote: free
            it is clear that society is divided into classes

            we have formed a class of oppressors, and the working class has degraded, however, like the social stratum, the intelligentsia

            The people can do a lot, I would even say everything! But only when we are united, by thought and deed.
    2. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx April 20 2018 11: 05
      +2
      Yes, count them! (with)
  3. Evdokim
    Evdokim April 20 2018 06: 05
    +21
    They stole under Tsar Pea, under Tsar Ivan the Terrible, under the Communists, and they will always steal. In the wild, theft is a way of survival, and some species of animals in it are very successful, people do not twist part of the fauna. The main theft is minimized, and so that it does not turn into a lifestyle of a part or the whole of society, otherwise one can turn from a community of people into a herd of animals.hi
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut April 20 2018 15: 35
      +1
      Introduce living standards for all categories of citizens. As soon as someone has not healed according to rank, so immediately and you can take fiscal measures - not by rank! Just do not allow too large a gap between the levels of citizens' security, for example, the minister of all payments can receive in the amount of 5 minimum wages, the deputy of the State Duma the same amount. Here let them advocate for an increase in the minimum wage laughing
  4. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 20 2018 07: 10
    +9
    An accountant is becoming a dangerous profession! laughing
    A "loin rank higher" seems to be not encrypted. The other day, FORBES reported on the replenishment of the “green” billionaires of the “RF”. "And what is characteristic" - young and "not enemies of power." wink
    The article does not seem to be about them.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor April 20 2018 07: 30
      +9
      there are no enemies on Forbes lists ... there are either relatives ... or friends ... partners in the extreme ...
  5. apro
    apro April 20 2018 07: 14
    +3
    Again, breed the redness ... how many people have suffered less ... is it really bad to go to success. Grandmothers real estate again. Do you need to take care of the children .. and the people what? God will help. You have to think about yourself. You won’t take care of yourself. Nobody will take care of yourself. We’ll put a candle on God. And put some money on it.
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH April 20 2018 10: 07
      +6
      Quote: apro
      Raise redness again ... how many people have suffered less.

      How many?
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 April 20 2018 10: 44
        +1
        Quote: BecmepH
        How many?

        Yes dofiga! In the remote Siberian village of Novo-Pokrovka, where my distant relative, the authorized representative of the GPU, lived near Minusinsk, dispossessed everyone in a row, a relative, not a relative did not matter, there are two cows, a fist, a roof covered with iron, a fist, a seeder is a fist, in Abakan in winter you ride a fist !!! True, in 38 they took away the most for excess of power wassat , though the village is half empty!
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH April 20 2018 11: 04
          +6
          Quote: Serg65
          Yes dofiga!

          All right. Comprehensive information. Under Khrushchev, who threw all the misinformation into the minds of ordinary people about Stalin, he punished the innocent more.
          Just take an interest and be more careful with math. Dofiga ...)))
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 April 20 2018 13: 15
            +2
            Quote: BecmepH
            further be careful with math

            Alexei, I gave you a small example from the life of a remote Siberian village, I can tell you about Altai and Semirechye, I have a lot of relatives and I like to talk with old people, while the others at the table tear their throats and beat their faces! Khrushchev has nothing to do with it ....... and yes, I am a Stalinist in terms of creation, not a tribune speaker wink and your attempt to label me liberal is groundless yes
            1. Humpty
              Humpty April 20 2018 13: 34
              +1
              Quote: Serg65
              I am a Stalinist in terms of creation, not a tribune speaker

              My friend’s relatives in general from the Far East were sent as “fists” in a closed freight car to China and thrown out somewhere on the edge of the Takla-Makan. They drove for a long time, not everyone in the cars survived. I wonder how in the late 30s, the Soviet government organized the transportation of people through the territory occupied by the Japanese? With all due respect to Stalin, with him "so much faith and the forest are tumbled down." By the way, this friend still does not prick where he served in the taiga underground.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 April 20 2018 14: 00
                +2
                Quote: Humpty
                thrown somewhere at the "edge"

                Sash, such stories are a dime a dozen! What far to go, the village of Baitik, the former Orto-Alysh, was called Pavlovka until the 1928 year, in those days the Communists flirted with the Kyrgyz, trying to enlist their support, on the basis of these principles, the entire Russian population of Pavlovka was evicted to a clean field near the village of Military -Antonovka, so the village of Novo-Pavlovka appeared! Echoes of "safronovschiny" survived to the 30's!
            2. free
              free April 20 2018 18: 42
              +1
              Quote: Serg65
              Quote: BecmepH
              further be careful with math

              Alexei, I gave you a small example from the life of a remote Siberian village, I can tell you about Altai and Semirechye, I have a lot of relatives and I like to talk with old people, while the others at the table tear their throats and beat their faces! Khrushchev has nothing to do with it ....... and yes, I am a Stalinist in terms of creation, not a tribune speaker wink and your attempt to label me liberal is groundless yes

              So tell me how much suffered as a result of reforms since the 90s? And continues to suffer to this day! Tell me or weakly?
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 April 21 2018 07: 06
                +2
                Quote: free
                Tell me or weakly?

                laughing “Weak?” .... Nah, not weak!
                Quote: free
                Tell me how much suffered as a result of reforms with 90's?

                Yes, all of Russia has suffered! You go through the cemetery 1960-s 1994! It suffered ... almost all the hard workers, and the bandits, and businessmen! Who drank, who was killed, who went broke and drank too! 90 I would call years of pathological greed and unreasonable freebies! If you want to earn millions in a month, MMM will help you, if you want a sweet life, a smart car, girls - join our gang, if you want to quickly earn, buy Chinese alcohol, dilute it with water and sell it at three expensive! Vodka by the river, tons of drugs, but people are already gone!
                The 90s turned the Russian world order upside down, which was good turned out to be nonsense, that bad was the meaning of life!
                Quote: free
                continues to suffer to this day

                what there is one of yours here on the site, also a “sufferer” ...... my mother receives a pension of 15 thousand. How can she live? We talked, it turned out that he gets oh, how bad it is ... and mom? And where am I? The state owes her!
                So i say
                The 90s turned the Russian world order upside down, which was good turned out to be nonsense, that bad was the meaning of life!

                I hope Andrew, I answered your smile weak?
                hi
                1. free
                  free April 22 2018 07: 59
                  0
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Quote: free
                  Tell me or weakly?

                  laughing “Weak?” .... Nah, not weak!
                  Quote: free
                  Tell me how much suffered as a result of reforms with 90's?

                  Yes, all of Russia has suffered! You go through the cemetery 1960-s 1994! It suffered ... almost all the hard workers, and the bandits, and businessmen! Who drank, who was killed, who went broke and drank too! 90 I would call years of pathological greed and unreasonable freebies! If you want to earn millions in a month, MMM will help you, if you want a sweet life, a smart car, girls - join our gang, if you want to quickly earn, buy Chinese alcohol, dilute it with water and sell it at three expensive! Vodka by the river, tons of drugs, but people are already gone!
                  The 90s turned the Russian world order upside down, which was good turned out to be nonsense, that bad was the meaning of life!
                  Quote: free
                  continues to suffer to this day

                  what there is one of yours here on the site, also a “sufferer” ...... my mother receives a pension of 15 thousand. How can she live? We talked, it turned out that he gets oh, how bad it is ... and mom? And where am I? The state owes her!
                  So i say
                  The 90s turned the Russian world order upside down, which was good turned out to be nonsense, that bad was the meaning of life!

                  I hope Andrew, I answered your smile weak?
                  hi

                  So why talk about the fact that many people suffered during the times of the USSR? This power has destroyed even more! However, you are silent about this. But you haven’t given any figures.
  6. baudolino
    baudolino April 20 2018 07: 33
    +2
    The author, it seems, did not come out of the 90s. Around devastation, and "Stalin is not on you."
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 20 2018 09: 45
      +5
      - I hope that the authorities will act with themselves as with a real enemy of the people!
      - That is, will make a deputy, governor or head of state corporation? (Joke)
  7. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 20 2018 08: 07
    +1
    Yes, really trifles-shoot, hang, with a club on the head and under the ice, quarter. heads chop and other and other "delights" of the sick human imagination (what else did the Kata have fun in Russia for) -can it work? He spent five years — will die — and returned to the millions hidden by Koreiko’s. wink

    Anecdote:
    In Kiev in the store:
    -Buyer: Give me, please, a chocolate cat-executioner.
    -Seller: But we don’t have one ....
    -Buyer (pointing to the window): What is this?
    -Seller: This is a Kit-Kat chocolate ....
    -Buyer: What am I saying?
  8. Dimy4
    Dimy4 April 20 2018 08: 22
    +2
    but for the grandmother who trades in the bazaar selling goat milk and parsley, may God watch.

    With such and such a grandmother, just three skins will be torn off.
  9. Vard
    Vard April 20 2018 08: 25
    +1
    Sabotage ... now this is the main problem in our country ... And we must close the export of capital abroad ... then everything stolen will remain in the country ...
    1. Baloo
      Baloo April 20 2018 08: 33
      +4
      Quote: Vard

      Sabotage ... now this is the main problem in our country ... And we must close the export of capital abroad ... then everything stolen will remain in the country ...

      The polite, smiling scrupulous guys with glasses and contact lenses working in the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation have long been digging a gigantic pile of documents telling about embezzlement, postscripts, violation of estimates and other things that accompanies the construction of airfields, stadiums, bridges and other objects of national economy . It's time to plant, pre-weeding weeds. And then, in a clean, beautiful and confiscated field, grow a beautiful garden for future generations
      .

      And who is against, who is slowing down?
      1. Vard
        Vard April 20 2018 08: 35
        +6
        Alas, only mass executions will save the country ... but they will not shoot themselves in the head ...
    2. Alf
      Alf April 20 2018 22: 26
      +3
      Quote: Vard
      And it is necessary to close the export of capital abroad ... then everything stolen will remain in the country ...

      Bees against honey.
  10. Serg65
    Serg65 April 20 2018 08: 36
    +7
    Article from the series "Report on achievements at the XXV Congress of the CPSU"
    In 1928, the liberal “New Economic Policy” was curtailed

    laughing The author, so the NEP was invented and implemented by liberals ????? Grandfather Lenin must have choked on the mausoleum good
    The author, and after which this economic program was adopted?
    No private capital could finance such construction projects.

    The author, so who financed and built Magnitogorsk, ZiS, GAZ, Chelyabinsk, Kharkov, Volgograd Tractors, Perm Aircraft Engine, Kazan Aircraft Plant, Novokuznetsk Metallurgical, AZLK? Have you ever heard of such companies as Amtorg, AmRos (by the way, it existed until the end of the 70's), and Gosproektstroy, the Central Bureau of Heavy Engineering, tells you something? You will be very surprised to learn that the official builder of DneproGES was the German company Siemens, she also took an active part in the construction of the Moscow metro, and the interesting company General Electric was the father of GOELRO, GKNPTs im. MV Khrunicheva-has strong German roots, the builder and founder of the production was Junkers, and these are only more well-known Soviet brands!
    At the same time, I in no way implore the merits of I.V. Stalin, he managed to take advantage of the Great Depression, the enslaving Versailles Treaty, the war between Rockefeller and Rothschild and direct all this to the good of the Motherland, roughly speaking, the Caucasian Highlander circled the famous oligarchs and politicians around his finger !!!!!
    To the author .... dear Gennady, if you are going to write an article, write it as truthfully as possible, and by reversing the facts, you only harm the ideas you are promoting!
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 20 2018 10: 58
      +5
      Quote: Serg65
      The author, so the NEP was invented and implemented by liberals ????? Grandfather Lenin must have choked on the mausoleum

      In the then political field, supporters of the NEP can still be considered liberals. Red liberals.
      Because on the other hand there were supporters of war communism and world revolution. smile
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 April 20 2018 11: 30
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        In the then political field, supporters of the NEP can still be considered liberals. Red liberals.
        Because on the other hand there were supporters of war communism and world revolution.

        Hello Alexey hi
        The famine of the 22 year put a fat cross on military communism and forced us to practically introduce the NEP!
  11. Mihail28
    Mihail28 April 20 2018 08: 50
    +2
    I read the headline: "... how it was punished under Stalin and how it is punished under Putin."
    Then an article. And did not see the answer. Common words are, it seems, about everything, but in fact about anything specifically. Who, how and for what was punished under Stalin? Where are the appearances, passwords, last names?
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 20 2018 09: 35
      0
      It is assumed that readers of VO will draw up the necessary lists themselves and pass them on to the appropriate authorities ..... winked
  12. bober1982
    bober1982 April 20 2018 10: 11
    +4
    Stalin and Berry on the construction of the Belomorkanalreads the caption under the photo in the article.
    But in the photo - Yezhov, not Berry, the author needs to be more careful and attentive.
  13. Blue fox
    Blue fox April 20 2018 10: 17
    +10
    In essence, I can add the following. Those meticulous specialists about whom the author writes today are not the same. Having experience working with audits of the Accounts Chamber (I personally have my own experience, I do not stress objectiveness) I concluded that for the most part auditors are low-competent and interested. A 28-year-old girl with a higher economic education and a KEN degree at the same graduation department has never worked and never visited a real construction site, in my humble opinion, does not attract competence. Because her conclusion that driving piles with pile is cheaper than pushing them in statically and this violation cannot be changed in any way by the fact that these are different technologies and indentation was provided for by the project that was examined not on a whim and not to overstate the estimate, but because if to pile the pile, then the 19th century building next to it, which is a monument of federal significance, will fall apart.
    But the girl doesn’t understand this, and it’s not so important, the question is more about the bonus coefficient, which depends on the amount of “violations” found, the more the better.
    As for what investors invest in and what they build, there are no bees against honey. If there were guarantees that the constructed tractor assembly line would pay off by the fact that these tractors would be bought thanks to low loans by farmers and government agencies, then they would build these lines like pies, and when there are no guarantees, because it’s easier for the farmer to buy or from Europe at the price of spare parts or semi-finished products from China, then they invest in what is guaranteed to be profitable.
  14. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. April 20 2018 10: 19
    +8
    Who is STALIN and who is now, there is a LUM which is recognized all over the world and considered one of the most outstanding figures of all times and peoples, yes he had mistakes and even failures, but WE still live on the foundation that he created, no matter how anyone says and didn’t rinse his name, they couldn’t create anything at all. He could, our rulers CAN'T, everything was there for the PEOPLE, now for a handful, that’s the main difference, and until they put at the forefront the interests of the MAJOR mass of the PEOPLE no breakthroughs, there will be no unity.
  15. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh April 20 2018 10: 26
    0
    Read the bear not paper magazines, but the iPod.)))
  16. atos_kin
    atos_kin April 20 2018 11: 01
    +5
    Russia is on the verge of

    And until she dies on this “threshold”, the bank Vlasovites will not let her go anywhere. And the free and aspiring life of ordinary people in the USSR for them is a fairy tale. But the truth is that they write their tales about how the "bloody commies" did not allow workers to increase their life expectancy and be creators and creators, and not credit slaves in life.
  17. ivagulin
    ivagulin April 20 2018 11: 13
    0
    Dreams Dreams
  18. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA April 20 2018 11: 14
    +3
    Well, let's turn to the documents. Here are the results of the work of the Mehlis commission at LKZ:
    The audit also established the facts of illegal execution of acceptance and delivery of unfinished production of KV tanks.
    Director of the Kirov Plant Zaltsman I.M. twice submitted to the People's Commissariat of Heavy Engineering the wrong information about the production of tanks in July-August of this year.
    In the July report, the KZ director announced the release of 15 KV in July; in fact, only 5 tanks were delivered to the ABTU KA this month. The remaining 10 were not finished production. Their completion and surrender to the military representative continued until August 22-24.
    In the August report, the plant indicated the release of 22 KV; in fact, on September 1, only 11 tanks were handed over to the military envoy.
    This incorrect information was provided by the director of the plant, Salzman I.M., with the knowledge and consent of the head of the armored command of the spacecraft V. Korobkov. and his deputy, Alymova N.N., who gave orders to the senior military representative of the ABTU KA at the Kirovsky factory, A. Sppananov. on registration by tanks unfinished by production.

    This is only the accounting side of the issue. The technical part of the commission’s conclusions indicates the almost complete incapacity of the tanks produced by the plant and the plant’s unwillingness to eliminate structural flaws (such as twisting shafts and breaking gear teeth of gearboxes or a drive from a 3-tower T-28 installed on a 12-tower KV-2).
    And as a result:
    In connection with the verification of the facts of the submission of false information about the fulfillment of the plan for the release of KV tanks and registration with the production of unfinished production on the perpetrators - the director of the Kirovsky Zaltsman Plant I. and senior military representative of ABTU KA Shpitanov AF I imposed disciplinary sanctions (put on sight).
    To the head of BTU KA Korobkov V.M. and his deputy Alymov N.N. indicated the wrong actions, expressed in the issuance of orders to senior military representative Shpitanov A.F. on the reception of unfinished production of KV tanks.
    I believe that it is now advisable to hear at the Defense Committee on the progress in the production of the KV tank and the elimination of design flaws.

    And later, citizen Zaltsman generally became the people's commissar of the tank industry.
  19. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA April 20 2018 11: 16
    +3
    And here is how the acceptance of the tanks was organized and the documents issued for the LKZ:
    Acts of delivery of cars of the July issue were signed by the Head of the Quality Control Department of the shop, the head of the 1st department and the head of the assembly shop on the days of delivery of cars under the seal to the military representative of ABTU, i.e. dated 23.08; the military representative of ABTU, Comrade Shpitanov, did not sign these acts with the date “23.08”, but instructed the secretary of the production department to clean these dates and print a new “31.07”, which was printed in the secret department of the plant. At the same time, the previously signed acts of Comrade Landsberg and Comrade Abramov were not informed of the correction of the date of registration of the products.
    The clean-up on the acts is clearly visible and, in addition, on these acts there is a date from the preparation by the typist of the Secret Department - “06.08”.
    Of the 22 August cars, only 8 were actually delivered in August; 10 cars were presented to the military representative starting from the 1st to 06.09. At the same time, from September 1 to September 3, defective statements for these vehicles were compiled by OTC personnel and military acceptance technicians.
    The cars handed over under the seal on September 10.09 were not fully equipped with an irreplaceable spare parts. The delivery certificates for the August issue until September 12.09 have not yet been issued. Acts on only 4 cars were signed only by the head of the Quality Department of the assembly shop with the date "06.09". This also confirms the abnormal situation with products being sold at the Kirov Plant.
    I consider abnormal the procedure for registering marketable products established at the Kirov Plant. The head of the Quality Department of the plant or his deputy, as well as the director or his deputy, who are responsible for the quality and completeness of the delivered products on the basis of the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR of 10.07.1940, do not sign acts. In the last days of the month, pressure begins on the shopkeepers of the Quality Department by the deputy. Director Comrade Zherekhov and Head of Quality Department of the Plant.
    Control by the accounting department of the plant for the correct merchandising of products is not organized.
    © Head of the Military Department of the NKTM Blokhin. 18.10.1940/XNUMX/XNUMX
    Neither steal nor guard. Even the documents could not be faked normally. smile
  20. bober1982
    bober1982 April 20 2018 11: 42
    0
    ....... a meticulous cinema accountant pounded on accounts and plunged intrigues on the collective farm boarda, the end of the author’s quote.
    Koreiko worked in a large organization in a large coastal city, and not on a collective farm, and worked not as an accountant, but as an accountant, and he did not knock on accounts, he made all calculations in his mind (there were great abilities)
    This remark is not as a nit-picking, no offense to the author.
  21. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur April 20 2018 12: 00
    +1
    "Theft, registry, cunning estimates: how it was punished under Stalin and how it is punished under Putin." Stalin could sentenced iconic figures. What about Putin? Does he carry out the approval of the sentence? The offender is punished under applicable law. Laws are developed in the Duma. For the leniency of sentences, all claims against deputies.
  22. seacap
    seacap April 20 2018 12: 06
    +7
    Quote: K.A.S.
    It takes money to industrialize.

    To carry out industrialization, first of all, you need a professional, state, patriotic government, with an unshakable hard will to achieve your goals. A development plan is needed that is calculated and scientifically substantiated, carefully verified and comprehensively discussed thoroughly by the best nationally-oriented learned economists (expelled from the HSE, and various Yale graduates, as well as old, trusted and loyal Westerners who do not forget their pockets in economics) . And most importantly, an inevitable, tough, one can say cruel responsibility, not paying attention to the screech "from around the corner", not an imitation to shut up the mouths of the public, namely, tough responsibility for ill-conceived decisions that harm the state and even in the long term (as today's destruction of the system of education and upbringing, as modern types of Skolkovo and any nano and so on pumps of budget funds into a black hole without any effect), and theft, tax evasion, by officials and civil servants should be regarded as crimes against the state and reprisal (namely reprisal) be fast and brutal, up to the highest measure (x already blasts mi-mi, syu-syu with Westerners and pseudo-humanities), not forgetting about their surroundings and relatives, raising and raising a criminal, participating in crimes, and this is the family and the collective around, who everyone saw and knew, and often assisted in this. By the way, you don’t need to invent a bicycle, everything was already with us and worked wonderfully, like in the whole world, everything is as old as the world itself.
  23. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov April 20 2018 12: 32
    +5
    Gennady! Do not rely on these compradors in power! They are in the snares of the liberal-capitalist model of development of modern Russia! They are useless from them, and from Putin as well! We need new, socially healthy figures, new ideas, a new development paradigm!
  24. bandabas
    bandabas April 20 2018 13: 18
    0
    For the last collage, the article is a bold plus.
  25. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy April 20 2018 14: 45
    +4
    Tonight I watched the movie "Eternal Call" on "Star" and that’s what crashed into the difference between the systems: Soviet Russia and the present, determine the system yourself.
    So here. In the film, an agitation came to the village to show the film “Battleship Potemkin,” and before the film, news of the country's achievements in the first five-year plan. The projectionist comments on silent shots with the phrase: “EVERY DAY (!) A new plant is commissioned in the country. Universal illiteracy is eliminated throughout the country, etc. .....”
    Today’s day. "Market economy. A screech in the news in the morning: "In the Volgograd region in village No, a private entrepreneur opened the PRODUCTION (!) Of champignons and provided work for as many (!) 15 people! URA !!! Medvedev has become silent about another" optimization "of medicine and education. Already an achievement! URA !!!
    You compare the scope and strategic objectives with these two examples and understand that the country does not need power - its resources are needed, including human resources, but exactly until the material ends. Therefore, there is no strategy for the development of the country and the first thing for its population.
    I watched the "news", brushed off fresh "noodles" from my ears, spat and turned off the zombie ...
    I’m sitting and thinking that I didn’t strangle any “reformer” in 90's with my own hands. You look and the country with the achievements of whole generations would not be defeated by these “European integrators”.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 20 2018 15: 01
      +2
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      The projectionist comments on silent shots with the phrase: “EVERY DAY (!) A new plant is commissioned in the country. Universal illiteracy is eliminated throughout the country, etc. .....”

      For some reason, you really like to compare the current rates with those of the times of the first five-year plan.
      Funny.
      And compare the pace of the 70s - 80s with the same first five-year plan? What then say interesting? But it was still the Union wink
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      general illiteracy eliminated

      There is no general illiteracy now. Nothing to eliminate request
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      EVERY DAY (!) A new plant is commissioned in the country

      No need so many factories now. Yes, and the "plant" then, in the early 30s, and now - a little different, ahem, "plants".
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      brushed off fresh "noodles" from the ears

      You have it stuck. Forever.
      But this is not the noodles you are trying to shake.
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy April 20 2018 15: 22
        +3
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        You have it stuck. Forever.

        So can you debunk Soviet propaganda with the achievements of the current system, starting with 90's? How many five-year plans have passed since then by Soviet standards? Five six? Or, in comparison with the USSR, do we have "Brezhnev stagnation" with a crisis of power? lol
        Achievements - Forbes Russia and 147 billions poured into Rusnano instead of developing traditional science? Homeless people and 20 million officially registered beggars? The Bologna education system and the general "optimization", which led to the fact that now a sick patient knows more than to be treated than the doctor himself? If Soviet propaganda disgusts you like that, look at OTR leisure, it will be easier to perceive reality.
        So maybe you have something stuck forever?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 20 2018 16: 30
          +1
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          What then say interesting?

          Quote: Sovetskiy
          So can you debunk Soviet propaganda with the achievements of the current system, starting with 90's? How many five-year plans have passed since then by Soviet standards? Five six? Or, in comparison with the USSR, do we have "Brezhnev stagnation" with a crisis of power?

          You are a Jew somewhere. Four questions in response to one (and three more later) - this is, clearly FIVE fellow
          The answer will be, no? He is very specific, and I know him, by the way yes
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          If Soviet propaganda hates you like that ...

          Soviet completely suited me. Your Sotskiycategorically does not suit. Too, ahem, clumsy stop
          Voooot ...
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy April 20 2018 17: 52
            +1
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Soviet completely suited me. Yours, Sovetskiy, is not categorically happy. Too, ahem, clumsy
            Voooot ...

            I don’t impose my own, since I don’t suffer from megalomania repeat
            And about the Jew - appreciated. Well, we must strive for the "heights" of our untouchable "authorities", leading the people in the liberal desert of the "market" from the terrible and terrible "scoops" (the Egyptians wrote) for almost 33 of the year. Seven left? And then, will the “market" grace come anyway? Or again not for everyone? lol Will we all fit in according to Chubais? lol What do they say in biblical tradition (an instruction for our authority)?
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 20 2018 18: 13
              +1
              Eh ... stop ... and answer the question? Again:
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              And compare the pace of 70's - 80's with the same first five-year plan?

              It looks like the bucket has broken. Well, however, as expected request
              1. Sotskiy
                Sotskiy April 20 2018 18: 29
                +2
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                And compare the pace of 70's - 80's with the same first five-year plan?
                It looks like the bucket has broken. Well, however, as expected

                90-e or 2000-e to compare with the first five-year plans? On these "significant" dates that keep quiet? Is the bucket too thin? And 70, 80, I personally was very happy. The stability of the 70's from the current "stability" differed for the better. The standard of living of the population was higher relative to the same consumer ability, by the way, in the absence of any consumer loans and "quick money." Or do you tell me how in the 70's and the beginning of the 80's the plants began to close like 2000's in batches?
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack April 20 2018 20: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: Sovetskiy
                  Compare the 90s or 2000s with the first five-year plans? On these "significant" dates that keep quiet? Is the bucket too thin? And the 70s, 80s, I personally was very happy

                  Clear.
                  You, dear, do not understand the words. From the word "in general".
                  To the simplest question, you wrote "multi-letters" ... but you did not answer the question.
                  What suited you, and when - is irrelevant, and I am absolutely not interested.
                  Congratulations, my dear, taxed yes
                  1. Sotskiy
                    Sotskiy April 20 2018 21: 05
                    +2
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Congratulations, my dear, taxed

                    Clap your hands!
                    For the distribution of shortcuts, your employers will definitely reward your toffee candy (so that your teeth do not grit) lol
                    By the way, how will you celebrate the centenary of Mr. Solzhenitsyn this year? After all, the party said "must" and is preparing a grand show on the initiative of the President.
                    And therefore, all the “honest” and “non-living” should urgently sign up for “volunteers” in the name of “democracy and tolerance” while condemning the entire Soviet “terrible” heritage, which, as it were, did not exist!
                    And there was a sweet tsarism in an alternative reality, and then immediately the light of democracy - the Drunkard of the nation, to whom the current government paid tribute in the form of the Yeltsin Centerlol
                    Congratulations to the "non-living" with a new story! fellow
                  2. zoolu350
                    zoolu350 April 22 2018 08: 28
                    +2
                    C'mon Jack, your next attempt to whitewash the wretched reality of the Russian Federation compared to the USSR, as always successfully leaked.
          2. free
            free April 20 2018 18: 50
            +2
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            What then say interesting?

            Quote: Sovetskiy
            So can you debunk Soviet propaganda with the achievements of the current system, starting with 90's? How many five-year plans have passed since then by Soviet standards? Five six? Or, in comparison with the USSR, do we have "Brezhnev stagnation" with a crisis of power?

            You are a Jew somewhere. Four questions in response to one (and three more later) - this is, clearly FIVE fellow
            The answer will be, no? He is very specific, and I know him, by the way yes
            Quote: Sovetskiy
            If Soviet propaganda hates you like that ...

            Soviet completely suited me. Your Sotskiycategorically does not suit. Too, ahem, clumsy stop
            Voooot ...

            And Kisa, you’re trying to throw gamma on the fan again. How do you pay it at least? Do not throw?
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 20 2018 20: 29
              +1
              Quote: free
              And Kitty ...

              License plate, whether? I do not recognize you in makeup ...
              Is free laughing
      2. Alf
        Alf April 20 2018 22: 31
        +2
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        There is no general illiteracy now.

        Read the local comments. It seems that many did not go to school.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 20 2018 22: 33
          +1
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          There is no general illiteracy now.

          Read the local comments. It seems that many did not go to school.

          Well, at least they didn’t learn to sign with a cross ... probably recourse
          Do not step on a sore spot - I see everything myself.
          But with what happened after the revolution and the Civil, this has nothing to do yes
  26. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack April 20 2018 14: 51
    +1
    Quote: Anti-Corr.
    You can’t understand in any way that the majority of the population is placed in conditions of survival, but not life.

    And who are you to speak for the "majority of the population", I wonder?
  27. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch April 20 2018 17: 26
    0
    There is no need to lie about Stalin and about the achievements of the Soviet Union, “effective managers” from the DAM government are not suitable for them! I hope the LEADER will disperse, and possibly transplant, the current ministerial “fraternity” and the real TECHNARI will take up the revival of Russia.
    1. Alf
      Alf April 20 2018 22: 32
      +3
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      I hope the LEADER will disperse, and possibly transplant the current ministerial "brotherhood".

      18 years accelerates and plants ...
  28. tank64rus
    tank64rus April 20 2018 18: 43
    0
    In general, mass plantings begin in the spring. Or the country is finally seized by those who do not care about it. A corruptionist, he is an enemy in essence of both the people and the state.
  29. Radikal
    Radikal April 20 2018 19: 53
    +3
    Quote: raw174
    Quote: AA17
    Tell us, share your experience, what releases your created production?

    In my village a little less than 10 thousand people. lives, we all know each other. We have 4 mini enterprises engaged in the manufacture of furniture. I know two well. I was in their workshops, in one they work together, in the other about 10 people. their tool is China and ours (Makita, Interskol, etc.), raw materials (chipboard, plywood, etc. accessories) are taken at a wholesaler in the city (400 km.), whose I don’t know ... They make good furniture, they make money acceptable. Such needleworkers are in every district center ...

    And you want to say that these mini symbolize the industrial power of the state? Maybe you have mini-enterprises for the production of tanks, planes, missiles, and other weapons there? If so, then it’s time for you to think about creating an independent state within your village! wassat fool
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 20 2018 22: 40
      +1
      Quote: Radikal
      fool

      You hit your head very correctly. Go on. Perhaps in time you will learn to write something that is at least minimally meaningful.
      Although I honestly doubt it request
      1. free
        free April 24 2018 08: 00
        0
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: Radikal
        fool

        You hit your head very correctly. Go on. Perhaps in time you will learn to write something that is at least minimally meaningful.
        Although I honestly doubt it request

        And you Kitty lackey bourgeois laughing
  30. sagitch
    sagitch April 20 2018 21: 00
    +2
    Everything in this article can be said, is not true, with respect to today's reality. Estimates are accepted so that there is a reduction factor, which means that workers are left without a normal salary. The leader will not offend himself.
    What costs a thousand is done for 800, and even 500. Thanks to the auction system! Officials are already used to it. The salary level of construction workers has fallen significantly, plus seasonality. In general, builders will not be envied now! Work for advances, salaries do not see for half a year.
    Half of Russia’s builders worked for free in Moscow for at least 3 months, it’s even better if they give them to the return trip, or even they get homeless, they can’t leave home.
    General contractors began to take themselves up to 45% of the value of the contracts, which remains to those who are directly involved in the "physics" of the object, and even buys building materials for these 55%!
    Rulers do not care about these problems of citizens. “Throwing” a worker is like an 2 finger on aswalt. And nothing will happen to anyone.
    And you say, builders live well!
    They live poorly, very poorly!
  31. Doliva63
    Doliva63 April 20 2018 21: 31
    +5
    Pack of minus. The capitalist does not care about the country, he lives in the dollar dimension. Read the classics - they wrote about it 100 years ago.
  32. Corporal Pupkin
    Corporal Pupkin April 21 2018 02: 08
    +1
    This article caused a double feeling.
    And that's why :
    1. Industrialization and collectivization in the USSR was carried out, among other things, due to
    expropriation of assets from citizens. Depriving peasants of property, driving them into collective farms or
    construction of the first five-year plans, and even on a logging site.
    2. In the US, industrialization was carried out at a fairly rapid pace, but without harassment and
    deprivation ... The growth of agriculture and its productivity was carried out on the basis of
    mechanization, scientific research in agricultural, production and use of fertilizers.
    1. free
      free April 22 2018 18: 26
      0
      Quote: Corporal Pupkin
      This article caused a double feeling.
      And that's why :
      1. Industrialization and collectivization in the USSR was carried out, among other things, due to
      expropriation of assets from citizens. Depriving peasants of property, driving them into collective farms or
      construction of the first five-year plans, and even on a logging site.
      2. In the US, industrialization was carried out at a fairly rapid pace, but without harassment and
      deprivation ... The growth of agriculture and its productivity was carried out on the basis of
      mechanization, scientific research in agricultural, production and use of fertilizers.

      Is this from wikipedia?
  33. andrew42
    andrew42 April 24 2018 10: 46
    +1
    You are on the right track, dear author! Well, let's say we have a moratorium on the death penalty. Okay. But as long as there is no such thing as a lifelong one for "theft in especially large ones," until then all economic projects will be stolen, reducing the economic effect to zilch. For this, the state exists to beat the hands of "creative managers" who invent money withdrawal schemes. Hence the question, who are you, our state? - It has been open since the time of Yeltsin-Gaidar-Chubais-Shumeyko-Shokhin, and so far the "brothers Yakovlevichi and Pasha Emilievich" have taken on old women.
  34. Wolka
    Wolka April 28 2018 18: 51
    0
    in the nineties, we adopted with terrifying speed all the worst of the Western consumer, having completely forgotten about our best creative, and we hope that this waste is gradually passing ...