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Russia in SWIFT. Turn off or not?

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Newspaper "Vedomosti" Today it comes out with material that concerns the previously heard statements that Russia can be disconnected from the interbank system of communication channels SWIFT. According to the publication, referring to two sources familiar with situations, Russia is not going to disconnect from SWIFT. Both sources, in turn, refer to the statement of the general director of the SWIFT office in Russia, Gottfried Laybrandt.


Speaking at the business forum, Lybrandt noted that Russia will not be disconnected, since SWIFT is an independent network structure that does not accept any external pressure on its business activities.

Russia in SWIFT. Turn off or not?


It is noted that SWIFT will not respond to those or other calls to disconnect the segments from the overall structure, if any.

It was added that even in 2014 and 2015, SWIFT made statements that there would be no disconnections of Russia from the interbank system of communication channels.

For reference: SWIFT is a community of interbank world communications. It was created 45 years ago to unite in a global system of banks in Western Europe and North America. The system provides money transfers between banks without opening accounts in these banks by those who transfer. The transaction goes through the so-called transit accounts of SWIFT participants.

Is it possible in the present conditions to believe that the "hegemon" will not make a SWIFT offer that they cannot refuse there ...
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  1. Logall
    Logall April 18 2018 15: 54
    +12
    Of course, no one will turn off ... There is always an alternative! And this is a big financial loss and a competitor ...
    When a similar threat sounded the last time, then the tools for a possible replacement were already worked out ...
    China will be just happy!
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN April 18 2018 16: 21
      +7
      Quote: Logall
      Of course, no one will turn off ... There is always an alternative! And this is a big financial loss and a competitor ...
      When a similar threat sounded the last time, then the tools for a possible replacement were already worked out ...
      China will be just happy!

      Actually, this is very serious! How then to buy American securities? We will not survive this and .... I'm even afraid to imagine what will happen then ... belay
      1. KAV
        KAV April 18 2018 16: 25
        +2
        Quote: NIKNN
        Actually, this is very serious! How then to buy American securities? We will not survive this and .... I'm even afraid to imagine what will happen then ...

        Just like in the Soviet animated film "Oh and Ah" ... Who is talking about, and you all "groan" ...
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN April 18 2018 16: 27
          +2
          Quote: KAV
          Just like in the Soviet animated film "Oh and Ah" ... Who is talking about, and you all "groan" ...

          And what remains if America does not like us and does not want to play with us ... crying
          1. Monos
            Monos April 18 2018 17: 05
            +4
            Is it possible in the present conditions to believe that the "hegemon" will not make a SWIFT offer that they cannot refuse there ...

            And himself, of his own free will, will give up control of cash flows? winked Any Payment in foreign currency goes through American banks.
          2. gukoyan
            gukoyan April 19 2018 09: 26
            +1
            "And what remains if America does not like us and does not want to play with us ..."
            Also do not play and do not write in their pot))))
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN April 19 2018 11: 13
              0
              Quote: gukoyan
              Also do not play and do not write in their pot))))

              HERE, here, and we have half snot coming out all the way, I’m saying that they more than we need this swift with us ... I’m storing the money in the bank and I know where I put it to the bank, but I don’t know the swift ... laughing
      2. reservist
        reservist April 18 2018 16: 44
        +3
        Quote: NIKNN
        How then to buy American securities?

        And how then will Gazprom receive currency for gas sold to Europe?
        As in the last century - by telex, or as the year before last - in cash?
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN April 18 2018 16: 56
          0
          Well, who buys gas? Let the suitcase bring payment, and Gazprom deliver through the pipe, but do not turn off the pipe ... request
          1. reservist
            reservist April 18 2018 17: 01
            +3
            yes it’s clear that they will find a way, but it’s also clear that it will be additional time and financial costs ...
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN April 18 2018 17: 06
              +2
              Quote: reservist
              yes it’s clear that they will find a way, but it’s also clear that it will be additional time and financial costs ...

              Well, we didn’t turn off the swift. What kind of demand is there with us, they will make an advance payment in advance of costs,
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon April 18 2018 17: 04
          +1
          Quote: reservist
          And how then will Gazprom receive currency for gas sold to Europe?

          In a standard case "diplomat", they say, lemon cash can be shoved. lol
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN April 18 2018 17: 07
            +1
            Quote: Piramidon
            Quote: reservist
            And how then will Gazprom receive currency for gas sold to Europe?

            In a standard case "diplomat", they say, lemon cash can be shoved. lol

            The sea container is larger wink
          2. reservist
            reservist April 18 2018 17: 42
            +2
            I believe about lemon in a suitcase, but Gazprom counts billions ...
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon April 18 2018 18: 47
              0
              Quote: reservist
              Gazprom’s billions go ...

              And these are their problems. 1000 suitcases and here you have a billion. belay laughing
            2. alex3075
              alex3075 April 18 2018 19: 53
              +1
              They will print papers of 1,5,10 billion euros. And they’ll bring it in your pocket 10 years in advance.
        3. Alex-a832
          Alex-a832 April 18 2018 17: 22
          +2
          Quote: reservist
          As in the last century - by telex, or as the year before last - in cash?

          If necessary, EU countries will be forced to connect to an alternative system and in an alternative currency. Otherwise - energy collapse. These are ideal conditions for Russia to impose its rules of payments. China is also in the game.
        4. helmi8
          helmi8 April 18 2018 19: 57
          0
          Quote: reservist
          As in the last century - by telex, or as the year before last - in cash?

          We need gas - and they’ll bring it in a suitcase. Lived before this system? Well, yes, it’s faster, more convenient. Only. There is nothing critical, therefore, they will not be turned off, because themselves will be in a big loss.
        5. Felix
          Felix April 18 2018 20: 31
          0
          Quote: reservist
          And how then will Gazprom receive currency for gas sold to Europe?

          A lining bank will be created in China under Chinese jurisdiction, and payments will be driven through it.
        6. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 April 19 2018 11: 32
          0
          Yes, the best is gold. But the question is whether consumers have so much gold, remains open ...
      3. your1970
        your1970 April 19 2018 11: 41
        0
        actually it’s very serious - you won’t get money from an ATM !!! and you won’t even be able to withdraw manually through the cashier - if your account is open in another region.
        It will take some time to normalize the situation and complete the transition to the world - and these are wild lines at banks for cash dough ...
    2. Alex-a832
      Alex-a832 April 18 2018 17: 12
      +1
      Quote: Logall
      There is always an alternative! And this is a big financial loss and a competitor ...

      Most importantly, the alternative system will be in the alternative dollar currency. There was a petrodollar, but there will be a petroleum yuan, for example, or a petroleum ruble. This will be the beginning of a quick finish for the global dollar system. For this reason alone, they don’t want to disconnect us from the “swift”, but I would like some Western “partners” (we will not poke a finger in the USA) to learn how to live only on their own earnings, and not from the world casino, fraud, blackmail, robbery and killings.
  2. evil partisan
    evil partisan April 18 2018 15: 59
    +6
    They say that the Russian analogue of SWIFT is even more advanced in the sense of algorithms and software implementation. Dzhangirov once spoke as one authoritative Ukrainian economist who had graduated from Novosibirsk University (matmash). He told about this. Eric Neumann's kind of name.
    1. reservist
      reservist April 18 2018 16: 38
      +3
      connected to SWIFT due to international payments
      at one time they connected to conduct real-time ruble transactions, so as not to wait for the money to “go through” the central bank accounts
      the Russian counterpart can and must solve the problem of the efficiency of ruble settlements, but what about foreign correspondent banks ...
      1. Semen1972
        Semen1972 April 18 2018 17: 11
        +2
        Quote: reservist
        the Russian counterpart can and must solve the problem of the efficiency of ruble settlements, but what about foreign correspondent banks ...

        No way. Disabling SWIFT will already be a hit below the belt. These are not tomahawks in the desert to bullet. And since Russia is still part of the global economy, and this will affect all market participants, they won’t shoot themselves in the foot .. They’re not the deputies of the Duma of the Russian Federation or warriors from the couch, the more tin the better.
        And to maintain the style of the forum ... After disabling SWIFT, we, as decent people, will simply have to deliver a missile and bomb strike on US bases. This is called an asymmetric response. If we are hit in the economy, catch our rockets. And let the whole world burn in nuclear ashes ... there are things that can not be tolerated. Putin did not tolerate, she will shy away from all missiles and there is no enemy! Only this way and no other way !!!
        1. reservist
          reservist April 18 2018 17: 39
          +2
          Vnesheconombank of the USSR joined SWIFT in 1989, before that it worked by telex (maybe this method still exists and works somewhere now)
          in 2014, the Russian traffic at SWIFTnet finally got to 13th place and a representative from Russia appeared on the board of directors of SWIFT, i.e. we are of course part of the global economy, but it can be the same as with Iran in 2012 ...
          and so-so nothing idea because of the Belgian financial cooperative to smash the military American bases ...
          1. Semen1972
            Semen1972 April 19 2018 09: 55
            +1
            Quote: reservist
            and so-so nothing idea because of the Belgian financial cooperative to smash into military US bases ..

            Well, as much as sanctions can be procrastinated, our grandfathers’s victory is taken away, then in Syria ... On TV from morning till night one America and the West .. They filled my mouth, it’s better to die, even if we see the war game alive. This is better than the torture of our foreign policy and the media with nightingales different.
            1. reservist
              reservist April 19 2018 15: 48
              0
              And something prevents either turning off the TV, or to get to the former lands of the Great Don Army?
  3. Slovak
    Slovak April 18 2018 15: 59
    +3
    Will the same “hegemon” for Russian goods be paid in cash? Carry in your suitcases?
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan April 18 2018 16: 01
      0
      Quote: Slovak
      Will the same “hegemon” for Russian goods be paid in cash?

      No.
      Only in gold! yes Yes. And tungsten under the guise of gold can no longer be steamed ... lol
  4. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov April 18 2018 16: 06
    +4
    Do not disconnect! Do not expect! How else will international oligarchs rob the Russian people? They, like the Russian authorities, cannot shoot themselves in the foot.
    1. Semen1972
      Semen1972 April 19 2018 13: 52
      +1
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      How else will international oligarchs rob the Russian people?

      Which international oligarch robbed you ???????? Sue him !!!! To bomb everyone, Everyone’s head off his shoulders !!! Personally, our, domestic, patriotic, family and close oligarchs perfectly rip me off by installing all kinds of platons, etc., we compensate for our costs.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov April 19 2018 16: 31
        0
        Personally, our, domestic, patriotic, family and close oligarchs me perfectly rip off by installing all sorts of platons, etc., we compensate for our costs

        Namely, our local are vassals of those who are higher.
  5. Sergey985
    Sergey985 April 18 2018 16: 08
    +3
    SWIFT control over transactions from Russia. That’s the whole story.
  6. Separ
    Separ April 18 2018 16: 08
    +2
    If they turn it off, they will immediately lose huge profits, disconnect a country like Russia from this system - a shot to yourself is not like keeping up ... in the head. fool
    1. reservist
      reservist April 18 2018 16: 31
      +5
      the share of Russian segment traffic in SWIFT is very modest
      those. the matter is probably not in profit / loss, but in reputational costs, because Russia is still not Iran, which was shut down in 2012 ...
      if SWIFT will regularly disconnect its members (which, according to its charter, as a rule become its own shareholders), then sooner or later they will simply cease to connect to it and use its services
  7. Vard
    Vard April 18 2018 16: 13
    +1
    The price of our RD 180 engine is $ 2000 per kilogram ... F-35 15000 ... It seems to me or it seems we are being a little fooled with the price ...
    1. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 April 18 2018 16: 15
      +2
      Quote: Vard
      The price of our RD 180 engine is $ 2000 per kilogram ... F-35 15000 ..


      I don’t understand why we supply our adversary with our engines request
      1. Semen1972
        Semen1972 April 18 2018 17: 18
        0
        Quote: Corsair0304
        I don’t understand why we supply our adversary with our engines

        Maybe, what would s / n pay and pensions? Or is it the turn of these engines? Although, by and large, I agree with you .. I would rather cut people in place of leadership than supply the United States. Nothing ... they’ll go into business .. in the end, the village needs to be raised .. This is better than betraying the national interests and security of the Motherland !!!
  8. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 April 18 2018 16: 13
    +3
    SWIFT is a network independent structure that does not accept any external pressure on its business activities.

    If the hegemon asks himself such a question as closing SWIFT, he will succeed. Otherwise, the whole horde of bank directors will remember with a smile the misadventures of Domijk Strauss-Kahn. Yes, and nobody closed the secret hegemonic prisons (as a last resort, for the most dull).

    It’s another matter that in the current conditions, banks really make a big profit from Russia's participation in this system, and no one in their right mind cuts a dairy cow ...
  9. Operator
    Operator April 18 2018 16: 16
    +7
    It is always possible to make settlements with foreign banks in the old way - through bilateral correspondent accounts without using electronic systems such as SWIFT.

    In an extreme case, one authorized VTB type bank will be created in the Russian Federation, which will open its correspondent accounts with foreign banks, and all other Russian banks will conduct foreign settlements through VTB using the electronic system of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.

    Payment discipline in foreign settlements of domestic banks will immediately rise to the level of the State Bank of the USSR bully

    Supporters of Russia’s disconnection from SWIFT are in fact pure bills - S. Lavrov (s).
    1. reservist
      reservist April 18 2018 16: 47
      0
      +1
      nobody has yet canceled the use of bank clients
    2. Semen1972
      Semen1972 April 18 2018 17: 29
      0
      Quote: Operator
      In an extreme case, one authorized VTB type bank will be made in the Russian Federation,

      Why didn’t you? Is it not more important than a ban on the supply of pills from the United States? What are we waiting for??
      And most importantly ... and Putin’s message doesn’t say anything to them. They did not understand that the Sarmatians are already hungry and are eager for battle ???
  10. NF68
    NF68 April 18 2018 16: 33
    +1
    Speaking at the business forum, Lybrandt noted that Russia will not be disconnected, since SWIFT is an independent network structure that does not accept any external pressure on its business activities.


    How many have you heard this word / words-independent, independent, independent, and so on. and etc. in cases when it comes to Western structures and other things. WADA, for example, is also an independent structure. But for some reason, these independent Western structures often behave as very dependent on Western customers.
    1. reservist
      reservist April 18 2018 16: 58
      0
      SWIFT is registered as a cooperative in Brussels, in the 2012 they had to fulfill the European Union requirements to stop providing services to Iranian banks, i.e. history, of course, can be repeated, but actually in SWIFT itself it is unlikely that they will be happy ...
  11. Mentat
    Mentat April 18 2018 16: 40
    0
    Quote: NIKNN
    Quote: Logall
    Of course, no one will turn off ... There is always an alternative! And this is a big financial loss and a competitor ...
    When a similar threat sounded the last time, then the tools for a possible replacement were already worked out ...
    China will be just happy!

    Actually, this is very serious! How then to buy American securities? We will not survive this and .... I'm even afraid to imagine what will happen then ... belay

    Nothing. Even American securities (oh horror) can be bought, as if nothing had happened. Only the number of pieces shifted from one pile to another will increase slightly.
  12. Dormidont
    Dormidont April 18 2018 16: 47
    0
    Of course they’ll disconnect. Only it will be sudden. At dawn. Together with strikes on all fronts
    1. reservist
      reservist April 18 2018 17: 11
      0
      SWIFT seems to have warned about Iran’s shutdown
      In February 2012, the US Senate approved sanctions against SWIFT so that it would disconnect Iranian banks that were under sanctions, and Iran’s actual disconnection from SWIFT was March 15
  13. senima56
    senima56 April 18 2018 16: 48
    0
    You can say anything!
  14. Dr. Hub
    Dr. Hub April 18 2018 17: 15
    +1
    They consider it necessary, turn off. And the methods of influence on those who make decisions (and these are also people with their weaknesses and passions) are worked out. Remember WADA, the Olympic Committee, European leaders ... You can list endlessly, someone will agree, they will put pressure on someone ... Let's hope this doesn’t come to that
  15. kventinasd
    kventinasd April 18 2018 17: 16
    0
    Enter - do not enter, disconnect - do not disconnect. Enter and disconnect, it is better to be prepared, so, just in case.
  16. APASUS
    APASUS April 18 2018 20: 03
    0
    They will never disconnect, disconnection means the beginning of the war.
    1 The fact is that, like all banking activities, SWIFT brings a certain profit.
    2 Control over SWIFT allows Americans to always be aware of financial flows; no one has canceled intelligence.
    3 The West not only receives money from Russia, but also uses it when transferring money for our energy resources. Disconnecting Russia from SWIFT will lead to the temporary loss of our companies from the global energy business. This direct jump in oil, gas, energy and the consequences may not be entirely clear.
  17. NF68
    NF68 April 18 2018 20: 05
    0
    Quote: reservist
    SWIFT is registered as a cooperative in Brussels, in the 2012 they had to fulfill the European Union requirements to stop providing services to Iranian banks, i.e. history, of course, can be repeated, but actually in SWIFT itself it is unlikely that they will be happy ...


    And who will SWIFT management ask? Americans have long been gradually shutting off oxygen to European concerns that are active in Russia.
  18. Rusticolus
    Rusticolus April 18 2018 22: 36
    +1
    C'mon, just SWIFT.
    We have gotten over here, Roskomnadzor in pursuit of imaginary terrorists will soon block the entire Internet.

    https://akket.com/raznoe/96725-roskomnadzor-v-bor
    be-s-telegram-zablokiroval-svoyu-sistemu-blokirov
    ki.html
  19. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 18 2018 22: 54
    0
    The Vedomosti newspaper today comes out with material that relates to earlier statements that Russia could be disconnected from the interbank system of communication channels SWIFT.

    SWIFT will remain neutral in the conflict between Russia and the West and will not disconnect it from the system of financial payments due to sanctions. This was announced by the CEO of the system, Gottfried Leibrandt, at the SWIFT business forum in Moscow

    Read more at RBC:
    https://www.rbc.ru/finances/18/04/2018/5ad726c69a
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  20. keeper03
    keeper03 April 18 2018 23: 18
    0
    Disconnect already !!! We have our own World! We are not afraid! wassat
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 19 2018 07: 37
      0
      return the cons
      before URYAYAY scream, study a subject
  21. Sergg
    Sergg April 19 2018 06: 43
    0
    Why would they destroy their banking system, a disconnection of Russia will affect everyone and undermine the reputation of the banking system as a whole. There will be no shutdown.
  22. gukoyan
    gukoyan April 19 2018 09: 16
    0
    "... is it possible in the current conditions to believe that the hegemon will not make an offer to SWIFT that they will not be able to refuse ..."
    Normul do not breathe, do not.