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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: the United States is cunning - airfields were also among the targets for the Kyrgyz Republic

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Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said that, despite statements by US representatives, the targets of the missile attacks on Syria were military targets. According to Major General Konashenkov, the United States, along with the British and French, planned to hit rockets and several military airfields.


Igor Konashenkov:

The real targets for the attack on the United States, Britain and France on 14 April were not only the facilities at Barzah and Jaramani, but also the Syrian military facilities, including airfields.

According to General Konashenkov, about 30 cruise missiles could be guaranteed to destroy objects selected as targets.

From the statement of the general:
As seen well in space photographs common to Western media, these are ordinary buildings on the surface. I would like to remind you that, for example, depending on the type, the warhead of the Tomahawk cruise missile is up to half a ton in TNT. Therefore, for their destruction by any calculation methods, no more than 10 rockets were enough for each of the three objects, taking into account triple overlap, for their guaranteed destruction.


Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: the United States is cunning - airfields were also among the targets for the Kyrgyz Republic


The Russian Defense Ministry noted that Washington, London and Paris are cunning when they say that air strikes were planned only for 3-m objects in Syria - more than 30 KR for each target.

Igor Konashenkov:
In the photograph of the object in the Barza (Barze) region, the nature of the damage caused by the missile strike does not correspond to the scale of the damage caused by the use of three dozen cruise missiles. Moreover, a survey of the territory of this and other objects did not reveal such a large amount of debris and pieces of ammunition, or a corresponding number of craters.


It was added that none of the Syrian airfields chosen as US targets suffered any significant damage.

Konashenkov:

The Syrian air defenses used 112 anti-aircraft missiles, including from the Pantsir complex - 25 missiles, to repel a strike by the United States, France and the UK. They hit 23 targets.

"Beech" - released 29, hit 24 targets. "Wasp" - released 11, hit five targets. C-125 - released 13, hit five targets. "Arrow-10" - released five, hit three targets. "Square" - released 21, hit 11 targets. C-200 - released eight missiles, targets are not hit. No one should be misled by the low figures of the C-200 anti-aircraft missile complex, since the complex is designed to destroy primarily aircraft and destroyed the fighter of one of the neighboring states not so long ago.
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 April 16 2018 20: 10
    +5
    In the photo to the article, the harpoon anti-ship missile. This is not the Tomahawk hi
    1. Click
      Click April 16 2018 20: 13
      +12
      Magazine stick, not Konashenkov hi
      1. hrych
        hrych April 16 2018 20: 32
        +7
        Quote: Click
        Magazine stick, not Konashenkov

        Well, very similar, from a distance detailing and the difference is not particularly visible
        1. The comment was deleted.
    2. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don April 16 2018 20: 14
      +6
      It is a pity that it was not possible to check out the work in the pair of S-400 and “Shell” in the case with mopping up the ship group of amers with “granites”, well, I trumpeted impeachment, so now actors and cameramen from the Syrian Duma will be taken for Faberge, and goodbye doni .
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 April 16 2018 20: 19
        +41
        ancestors from Don (Jedi)
        It is a pity that it was not possible in the case to check out the work in the pair of S-400 and "Shell" with mopping up of the naval group of granites"
        Yes there’s nothing to trifle. It’s a pity that the Yars didn’t clean out foggy albion, Marseille and the base in Norfolk repeat bully
        1. ancestors from Don
          ancestors from Don April 16 2018 20: 23
          +4
          Why is it so cruel to offend them that we are not at all what kind of “Yars” to throw right away, for a start it is enough to throw “Mace” and “Poplar”.
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 April 16 2018 20: 31
            +6
            ancestors from Don (Jedi)
            Why is it so cruel to offend them that we are not at all what kind of “Yars” to throw right away, for a start it is enough to throw “Mace” and “Poplar”.
            And if our "cleaned up the naval group of amers," then of course a nuclear war would not have happened? Although it’s possible that it doesn’t. Already they shot very gently on the gentlemen’s side. Our team didn’t fight back at all.
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 April 16 2018 21: 51
              +7
              Quote: Observer2014
              So the next special operation "Trump the most important Russophobe" seemed to have passed. Everyone can breathe out.

              ... Quick Tale affects, but not quickly. The thing is done ... hi ... I will not be so optimistic ... there are reasons for that ... hi
        2. Heterocapsa
          Heterocapsa April 16 2018 21: 08
          +4
          well enough trifles, let's finish this world with a “dead hand" and go to sleep.
          1. impostor
            impostor April 16 2018 21: 41
            +2
            The perimeter is not for those who go to bed and who seems to have a clatter of hooves ... it is for when everyone from Kaliningrad to Vladik has already fallen asleep ... God forbid ...
            1. Heterocapsa
              Heterocapsa April 16 2018 21: 45
              +4
              Yes, we all know. Just a little black humor before bedtime.
              1. impostor
                impostor April 16 2018 22: 37
                +3
                An optimist is the one who last said the arctic fox, and not the one who first shouted cheers.
                1. Heterocapsa
                  Heterocapsa April 16 2018 22: 43
                  +3
                  in my case it was more sarcasm rather than optimism
                  1. impostor
                    impostor April 16 2018 22: 53
                    +1
                    Get like, Volodya, I don’t know proverbs about sarcasm hi
        3. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg April 17 2018 11: 01
          0
          Quote: Observer2014
          ancestors from Don (Jedi)
          It is a pity that it was not possible in the case to check out the work in the pair of S-400 and "Shell" with mopping up of the naval group of granites"
          Yes there’s nothing to trifle. It’s a pity that the Yars didn’t clean out foggy albion, Marseille and the base in Norfolk repeat bully


          Marcel can not be cleaned))) They stupidly got involved)))
          1. Someone from the fleet
            Someone from the fleet April 21 2018 18: 24
            0
            Moreover - fools need to be taught.
        4. Vadim Sh.
          Vadim Sh. April 17 2018 23: 40
          0
          Well, Marseille can still be saved, the south of France is a very good place to relax, but everything else is destroyed.
      2. Prisoner
        Prisoner April 16 2018 20: 31
        +10
        Well, praise the Almighty, that failed. Do we need such a kinA? They showed that the Soviet air defense wasn’t spurred by the cat, but the new Russian will be worse. Let the “partners” turnips scratch.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv April 16 2018 21: 35
          +1
          Quote: Captive
          Well, praise the Almighty, that failed. Do we need such a kinA? They showed that the Soviet air defense wasn’t spurred by the cat, but the new Russian will be worse. Let the “partners” turnips scratch.

          All. Kina will not be. The tinker is dead.
          The classic reflection of the blow. We even have a ladle in the know. Dalniki take away carriers, and near air defense ground everything else
      3. Tusv
        Tusv April 16 2018 20: 38
        +15
        Quote: Ancestors from the Don
        It is a pity that it was not possible in the case to check out the work in the pair of S-400 and "Shell"

        Rephrase
        Last year, we launched 56 axes — all devoured the damned Carapace.
        on Saturday we launched 107 axes and clever Jasmas - the damned Carapace devoured everything
        Next time we’ll launch 333 axes, do not let this evil Carapace choke.
        PS: In tandem with the S-400 can work in the case of a universal chaperon. It and without electronic warfare all goals fly around
      4. Vita vko
        Vita vko April 16 2018 20: 43
        +7
        Quote: ancestors from the Don
        C-400 and "Shell"

        including from the "Shell" complex - 25 missiles. They hit 23 targets
        Although the S-400 works better for low-altitude targets such as cruise missiles than the S-200, which in principle is not intended for these purposes, the cost of the S-400 rocket is about the same as that of the Tomahawk.
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 April 16 2018 21: 02
          +3
          Quote: Vita VKO
          but the cost of the S-400 rocket is about the same as that of the Tomahawk.

          In such cases, the cost of the rocket is not taken into account.
          1. Vita vko
            Vita vko April 16 2018 21: 34
            +2
            Quote: Vasyan1971
            missiles are not taken into account.

            Yes, but the shelling sector and the number of occupied channels are taken into account.
          2. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets April 16 2018 22: 45
            +3
            Quote: Vasyan1971
            In such cases, the cost of the rocket is not taken into account.

            This is if you cover the hydroelectric station or an airfield with strategists, and if the shepherd ... is it necessary? request
        2. Tusv
          Tusv April 16 2018 21: 21
          +5
          Quote: Vita VKO
          S-200, which in principle is not intended for these purposes

          That's right. Dolbanuli at the rate of Lanserov and another poltiynik did not start at least
      5. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 April 16 2018 21: 00
        +3
        Quote: ancestors from the Don
        It is a pity that it was not possible to check out the work in the pair C-400 and "Shell" in the case with the clearing of the ship group of amers "granites"

        And in my opinion, it’s good that this time failed.
      6. NordUral
        NordUral April 16 2018 21: 27
        +1
        There is little hope that these experts will be objective. Ours needs to reduce them more with the people that was on that day at the indicated place of the alleged chemical attack. Let them listen, conscience may not let you lie.
    3. My doctor
      My doctor April 16 2018 20: 25
      +7
      Quote: Observer2014
      In the photo to the article, the harpoon anti-ship missile. This is not the Tomahawk

      and do not care. It is true that for three objects, this number of missiles was redundant even initially. Most likely, they were given the opportunity to reach precisely these goals, missiles aimed at important objects were shot down. bully
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 16 2018 20: 38
      +8
      Video to the news
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi April 16 2018 21: 16
        +4
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        Video to the news

        Well yes . And as always.
        1. dahpaz
          dahpaz April 17 2018 01: 08
          +22
          Good night Aron. Was there a real interception of 70 missiles? I just don’t know. When they published these data, at first I somehow did not really believe in such a stunning success of the Syrian air defense. but if I had doubts about the veracity of the RF Ministry of Defense data, then the statements of the Shtatovs that every single missile hit the targets at three sites sound even less true ... or, as a more accurate definition, complete nonsense! But the point is not even who is lying and who ... too, but less ... I just don’t understand your position (as well as some other Israeli visitors to VO) why do you constantly argue with “opponents” from Russia ?! after reading some comments, it seems that you have some kind of resentment lurking on Russia .... the matter of dispute is not important ... just to "prove" that Russia is miserable not capable of anything ... and of course the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces is constantly lying ... but we ... the people of Israel are ahead of the rest ... we have everything the same ... that hel ha avir (air force) that Merkava is the best in the world ... and infa is the most true only with us ... and we don’t treat terrorists from Syria ... in general, it’s really interesting for me to understand the meaning of your attempts to troll the Russians to the military. You are so "giving change" for insults in Russian / Russia / USSR ?!
          1. dima9990
            dima9990 April 17 2018 04: 35
            +4
            Man, in VO the voice of reason from Israel is not welcome. And then the impression is that Kedmi is not an agent of the Kremlin. laughing
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              1. Konstantin Yu
                Konstantin Yu April 17 2018 11: 21
                0
                Quote: Dahpaz
                I agree with many of his statements.

                But in Israel itself, besides you, there are people who share the thoughts of I. Kedmi? Hopefully, in spite of ...
                1. dahpaz
                  dahpaz April 17 2018 14: 12
                  0
                  Konstantin, among the Russian-speaking population (and there are more than a million of us), there are different people with different worldviews. There are people who are pro-Russian. There are quite a few who, on the contrary, are anti ... I’ll understand that people from all over the USSR are here ... I don’t have accurate data, but my opinion is that there are probably more people from Ukraine than from Russia ... and in the light of the events in the Donbass, I believe that they will not support Russian mood ... in general, quite a lot means where the person came from here ... and when it was ... there are 70 immigrants ... they don’t give a damn what happens there ... those who arrived in the 90s are still interested in not all ... father and grandfather are Soviet officers ... I’m lucky ... and the threads connecting me and my family with Russia are quite strong ... I think the minority share the point of view ... but there are also us not so little. As for the "locals", it’s sad but it must be admitted that the average aborigine thinks rather primitively and is completely deprived of the ability to think and analyze independently ... the education system according to the Western model ... dullness and not knowing basic things ... if anyone names the year among them the end of the Second World War (2nd World War in theirs), then he already scrabbles by local standards
                  But despite everything, one can very often hear from a Jew coming from Iraq or Morocco that "Putin is hever!" Putin man! Translated ... and they say we would have Putin here, he would put things in order. Something like that.
            2. dahpaz
              dahpaz April 17 2018 10: 48
              +2
              Good morning, Dmitriy. Kedmi is certainly not an agent, and certainly not the Kremlin. The thing is that in Israel they do not know him. In the Russian media space, he has become a fairly popular personality. But here no one has ever heard anything about him ... I do not exaggerate much. Local Israelis simply do not suspect that such a person exists at all. I agree with many of his statements. Nevertheless, the feeling that if tomorrow they make a profitable offer does not leave me, he will just as easily transform himself into criticism of Putin, the Russian Federation and TD. And in general, he is presented as the former head of the intelligence agency "native" and this is not any intelligence service in fact ... rather it was a "project"
              By "luring" and fooling the Jews who were leaving the USSR so that they did not go to the geyropa, not to the states and not to Australia, but to Israel. This was done with the help of impudent lies, intimidation and severe pressure from the governments of Romania and Austria, so that all kinds of people would hinder transit through their countries in any direction if this direction is not Israel. When the wave of mass and large-scale emigrations of the early 90s slowly began to decrease, turning into a sluggish stream and, as a result, the cdmi was out of work as the native itself. Do not get me wrong ... I personally am very pleased when at least someone from "ours" speaks with a clearly defined PRO RUSSIAN position. But I have no illusions about the fact that this person is not quite the same as he is presented on TV ... expert, analyst and TD. In fact, a private person representing himself ... a little loving bask in the rays of the glory of a live broadcast. Purely personal opinion.
              1. chingachguc
                chingachguc April 17 2018 13: 58
                +3
                Kedmi and similar analysts say what they want to hear from them)) there is a request in Russia or the United States for “specialists” from an enemy camp who would praise us and pour balm into our souls))) Kedmi earns his bread with caviar
                1. dahpaz
                  dahpaz April 17 2018 14: 59
                  +1
                  I agree to all 100%
    5. Paul zewike
      Paul zewike April 16 2018 20: 46
      +8
      The harpoon has 4 medium stabilizers. There are two. And another 8 behind. The harpoon has a sharper fairing. This is a tomahawk.
    6. Baby sitter
      Baby sitter April 16 2018 20: 51
      +1
      but beautiful ..
    7. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 April 16 2018 20: 58
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      In the photo to the article, the harpoon anti-ship missile. This is not the Tomahawk hi

      This is not the first time that pictures of nephews-non-buckles are being sculpted. Chronic problem ...
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 April 16 2018 21: 10
        +3
        Vasyan1971 (Vasiliy)
        This is not the first time that pictures of nephews-non-buckles are being sculpted. Chronic problem ...
        So utozh. Okay, the Komersant magazine would have fantasized about military equipment. And so, I'm sorry. This is Military Review. The people here instantly notice such photolaws. The truth is corrected. hi
    8. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 16 2018 21: 05
      +7
      Quote: Observer2014
      In the photo to the article, the harpoon anti-ship missile. This is not the Tomahawk

      The harpoon looks a little different.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 April 16 2018 21: 13
        +2
        Ingvar 72 (Igor)
        The harpoon looks a little different.
        Yeah. You missed what happened at the beginning. That's what it was on your Harpoon photo.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 16 2018 21: 31
          +2
          Ahhhh! Tady Latno! laughing Whoever rises before, God serves. I overslept. bully
    9. Bar1
      Bar1 April 16 2018 21: 31
      +1
      in general, in all kinds of shelling, it was clear that the anti-aircraft missiles soared high. It turns out that the axes also flew high? Then for our air defense, low-speed tomahawks are an easy target. But I did not see the work of shells on the shells.
      1. Russia
        Russia April 16 2018 21: 38
        +4
        For them, airfields are delicious, holes are clearly visible on the take-off, with a successful confluence.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 16 2018 21: 53
        +15
        They flew high because they launched without any target capture at all. Knowingly in milk.
        Is it really not clear? Syrians imitated the activity of air defense. By order of his command, not on his own initiative.
        Syrians modestly declared 17 shot down (should there be any result, right?)
        And MO, when translated from Arabic, where they write from right to left, turned 17 into 71.
        And it happened by chance that almost everyone was shot down. To get out of an awkward situation,
        regular "myths from Konashenkov" appeared about the 100% effectiveness of the Shell, etc.
        1. _Jack_
          _Jack_ April 16 2018 22: 00
          +17
          And MO, when translated from Arabic, where they write from right to left, turned 17 into 71.
          excellent theory, everything else, therefore, just lied?
          "Shell" - 25 missiles. They hit 23 targets. Buk - released 29, hit 24 targets. "Wasp" - released 11, hit five targets. S-125 - released 13, hit five targets. "Arrow-10" - released five, hit three targets. "Square" - released 21, hit 11 targets. S-200 - eight missiles were fired, the targets were not hit.

          or translation difficulties too? it's only you who know what the Arabs write from right to left, and translators from Arabic to the General Staff have just begun to see, or maybe they still don’t suspect such cunning of the Arabs laughing
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh April 16 2018 22: 12
            +9
            "an excellent theory, everything else, so they just lied?" /////
            That's right - they lied.
            1. _Jack_
              _Jack_ April 16 2018 22: 17
              +4
              here are the bastards !!!
              according to your answers, it turns out that the United States always crystal clear honestly about its operations, and ours, well, not so much that they lie at random, but they just write whole volumes of fairy tales, apparently including for this you are sometimes accused of Russophobia
              By the way
              you don’t know anything, although it does, the Arabs write the letters from right to left, but they write the numbers, like everywhere from left to right
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh April 16 2018 23: 03
                +7
                In this case, the Syrians initially tried to be honest and give plausible results, but the Russian command decided to "tweak" and began to fantasize.
                So it was 5000 headquarters of ISIS, forgot? Everyone laughed.
                1. _Jack_
                  _Jack_ April 16 2018 23: 11
                  +5
                  because there is no evidence of your version, then this is only one of the versions, it has the right to life on a par with others, for example, it seems to me not very plausible that more than a hundred missiles were originally planned to be spent on two medium-sized objects, several times excess, there are 20 rockets per object for eyes, and then with a margin, and so on 55 missiles per object, judging by the pictures there that one missile per 2-3 square meters. m. necessary? Is it a super-reinforced concrete bunker or something? problem here
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh April 16 2018 23: 25
                    +5
                    The problem came about because it was planned a more advanced version with more targets for the same number of missiles. But for some reason they decided not to expand the conflict yet. And limited only to its "chemical" part. With only three main goals.
                    1. _Jack_
                      _Jack_ April 16 2018 23: 29
                      +6
                      traces, funnels and general destruction do not pull a hundred-odd missiles, nothing
                      In this photo I see about 5-6 funnels, about 2 for one building
                      This funnel is not visible, but judging by the size of about 3 missiles for each wing of the side buildings and the same amount as the central, total 15, well, let 20 with a margin
                      And here 20-30 rockets

                      But for some reason they decided not to expand the conflict yet. And limited only to its "chemical" part. With only three main goals.
                      - somehow it sounds very doubtful, it looks like an excuse
                      All the same, there are enough storytellers on both sides
                      1. XXXIII
                        XXXIII April 16 2018 23: 53
                        +3
                        Quote: _Jack_
                        All the same, there are enough storytellers on both sides

                        That's what it is. ..... laughing
                    2. Qubi
                      Qubi April 17 2018 13: 50
                      +1
                      I wonder what will happen if you destroy the warehouse with OM? I understand that all OM will “burn” in the fire of the explosion and not spread throughout the territory? The population will not suffer, and in general Americans are well done. (sarcasm)
            2. XXXIII
              XXXIII April 16 2018 22: 25
              +5
              Quote: voyaka uh
              "an excellent theory, everything else, so they just lied?" /////
              That's right - they lied.

              sailed ... laughing
              1. Mestny
                Mestny April 16 2018 23: 10
                +6
                Did you expect anything else from this character?
                First, they are humanly with them, then they are warned. Well, then suddenly pogroms.
                Why?
                1. XXXIII
                  XXXIII April 16 2018 23: 46
                  +3
                  Quote: Mestny
                  Did you expect anything else from this character?
                  First, they are humanly with them, then they are warned. Well, then suddenly pogroms.
                  Why?

                  Yes, I am indifferent to them, I don’t even notice them almost ..... laughing
            3. rammjager
              rammjager April 16 2018 22: 46
              +4
              Well, let's say no rockets were shot down. The question arises: were they supposed to land somewhere? I'm wildly sorry, I would like a photo in the studio.
            4. Sergey Medvedev
              Sergey Medvedev April 16 2018 23: 15
              +7
              Quote: voyaka uh
              That's right - they lied.

              That's it. Powell’s test tube ... They creaked ... a chemical attack in the Duma ... and you only give it a go.
        2. Bar1
          Bar1 April 16 2018 22: 05
          +12
          Quote: voyaka uh
          And MO, when translated from Arabic, where they write from right to left, turned 17 into 71.


          you don’t know anything, although it does mean that, the Arabs write the letters from right to left, but they write the numbers, like everywhere from left to right.

          The inscription in Arabic "Received the amount of 25976000 reais." The last three zeros did not fit in the indent and had to be appended in small print on top.
          therefore, there could be no mistake when translating from Arabic.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh April 16 2018 22: 14
            +3
            I know. The numbers do not need to be flipped when translating. And in Hebrew the same way. But someone who wanted the incredible air defense performance did it.
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 April 16 2018 22: 16
              +3
              Quote: voyaka uh
              I know. The numbers do not need to be flipped when translating. And in Hebrew the same way. But someone who wanted the incredible air defense performance did it.


              then you need to bring photographs of hits, say, at airports, where, according to the general, nothing got.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh April 16 2018 22: 28
                +1
                2 small military airbases, additional targets, the British bombed the Tornado.
                I did not see the pictures after the blows.
            2. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 01: 15
              +1
              rather, it was done by the one who does not want her
              why not, the numbers are Arabic? in Hebrew can and should
            3. Topotun
              Topotun April 17 2018 10: 30
              +4
              Air defense effectiveness indicator - normal combat activity of the Syrian armed forces. Not affected by bumps. And everything else is from the evil one. Do you want to believe, do not want do not believe. These are your problems, Faith’s questions are generally very personal questions ....
          2. XXXIII
            XXXIII April 16 2018 22: 29
            +10
            Quote: Bar1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            And MO, when translated from Arabic, where they write from right to left, turned 17 into 71.


            you don’t know anything, although it does mean that, the Arabs write the letters from right to left, but they write the numbers, like everywhere from left to right.

            The inscription in Arabic "Received the amount of 25976000 reais." The last three zeros did not fit in the indent and had to be appended in small print on top.
            therefore, there could be no mistake when translating from Arabic.

            You didn’t translate it correctly (voyaka uh), he means that only Jews can count and write too ..... laughing
          3. YELLOWSTONE
            YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 01: 13
            +1
            but this does not mean that the translator from Arabic (with a diploma) did not know about it lol
        3. Terenin
          Terenin April 16 2018 22: 07
          +13
          And MO, when translated from Arabic, where they write from right to left, turned 17 into 71.
          I have not studied the Arabic language, but online translation from Arabic writes 71, 17, 63,58 ... etc. No. Someone rides on the ears wink
          1. YELLOWSTONE
            YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 01: 16
            +2
            someone thought that people do not know how to use google
        4. Terenin
          Terenin April 16 2018 22: 10
          +16
          Quote: voyaka uh
          regular "myths from Konashenkov" appeared about the 100% effectiveness of the Shell, etc.

          Of course, yes you have one faith that they will say from the “City on the Hill” indisputably soldier
        5. Znayka
          Znayka April 16 2018 22: 25
          +7
          Ok, Voyaka. 100 axes for three purposes, but everything should be plowed there .. I look at the photo .., 5-6 hits, on the other about a dozen (maximum), i.e. about 25-30 .., and the rest, which fell into the same funnel ..?))) hi
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh April 16 2018 22: 54
            +6
            "the rest that fell into the same funnel ..?))) hi" ////

            Exactly. The raid was in one wave. Only 40-50 minutes for everything. Ineffective, of course.
            Almost simultaneously, ships were fired from the Red Sea and from the Mediterranean,
            and the Persian Gulf bombers. For the same purposes. Therefore, it is impossible to establish which missiles hit first, which ones behind them.
            Usually do this: Plaque. Take a picture. Second wave. Take a picture. The third wave, something that did not finish or missed.
            But the Americans were in a hurry. And the task was not the destruction of air defense, as was usual, but an exponential strike. They hit well, but the overall effect was small.
            And the Syrians played "snipers" from themselves. Fortunately, it is impossible to verify.
            1. neri73-r
              neri73-r April 16 2018 23: 28
              +14
              The Jews feel insulted for the downed plane, but they can’t do anything, bench press, bench press, they understand that they can also land like tomahawks. laughing warrior ash bursting with luck Syrians.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh April 17 2018 08: 27
                0
                The plane was shot down due to carelessness
                pilots to the warning device about a missile attack from the ground. Carried away by ground targets and spoiled.
                Got thrashing. There is no resentment here. In war, as in war. The Syrians then acted as they should. They shot at real targets, but did not pretend that they were fighting, bullet in milk.
            2. Znayka
              Znayka April 16 2018 23: 28
              +9
              Then the counter-question is, why do I need to “work” for three targets with a hundred axes ??? Yes, and the goals themselves cause me suspicion ... According to the Pentagon briefing, chemical weapons depots. Then, after falling there for several kilometers there should be a dead radius zone ... I watch a video of destruction, the next day, there is a technician, workers ... You can answer the question, what, in general, was the goal of the strike, except for empty buildings that no one needed ... ???)))) hi
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh April 17 2018 08: 31
                0
                "which, in general, was the goal of the strike" ////

                The Americans knew that the buildings were empty.
                The blow was indicative (demonstration of possibilities)
                and helpful. They showed that they can bomb point
                the capital, if necessary.
            3. Qubi
              Qubi April 17 2018 13: 55
              +2
              Thus, when conducting simple calculations, we get 5-10 missiles in one funnel? Excellent use of Tomahawks for digging wells.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 17 2018 15: 19
                0
                Highly toxic compounds burn well.
                1. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE April 18 2018 03: 36
                  +1
                  from explosions of such warheads they are well distributed
        6. Hire
          Hire April 16 2018 22: 46
          +17
          Quote: voyaka uh
          And MO, when translated from Arabic, where they write from right to left, turned 17 into 71.

          This is what you came up with the plot! I am impressed! laughing
          Do you seriously think that our generals compile reports reading Arabic script? That is, they do not care about the data of any objective monitoring hardware, the reports of our instructors at the Syrian units, the data of air and space reconnaissance ... Yes, they do not suspect their existence at all! Where from? They are not in the Israeli army. laughing They are stupid. Having learned Arabic, they still don’t know what to read from right to left.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh April 16 2018 23: 12
            +3
            The trouble is that there were no Russians at the Syrian sites. No one. They were removed, from sin, after the statements of Trump and Putin. And with Khmeimim, tracking something over Damascus is technically impossible. There is the coast, there is a hill and hills. Therefore, all the Old received from the words of the Syrians. The same thing happened when firing rockets at Shairat base earlier. Where did you get embarrassed with 1/3 of the "lost" Tomahawks. Lost, because the Russians did not see, and the frightened Syrians at the base incorrectly counted the gaps.
            And it is completely unlikely that Russia has satellite monitoring of the territory of Syria.
            From the campaign against ISIS, it was clear that infa comes only from the Syrians and from drones.
            1. Hire
              Hire April 16 2018 23: 27
              +14
              Quote: voyaka uh
              And with Khmeimim, tracking something over Damascus is technically impossible

              Yeah, how much, where and why they flew out and counted, but they didn’t see the results of the shooting ... And why did you get the idea that our instructors were not there? There were. And an indirect confirmation of this is that not a single SAM was attacked, although this is nonsense. First always it is the air defense systems that are attacked! Here everything is completely! Remember how your carried out attacks.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh April 17 2018 08: 37
                0
                "And an indirect confirmation of this is that
                that no SAMs were attacked "///

                They are attacked when they interfere with bombing a target that
                cover up. So Israel, attacks only those air defense systems that specifically interfere with operations. In this case, the air defense did not stop the Americans from bombing
                those are three goals. And the SAM did not touch.
                1. Hire
                  Hire April 17 2018 16: 15
                  +6
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  In this case, the air defense did not stop the Americans from bombing
                  those are three goals. And the SAM did not touch.

                  Well, first of all, the air defense systems are being delivered without expecting when they will begin to "oppose". The first blow. And secondly, you want to believe the Pentagon, which claims that they fired for the same purpose as many as 76 (!!!) missiles and everyone flew (what kind of crater should be at the place of impact !!!), believe it. Objectively, I trust our General Staff more. Just because it makes no sense to lie. Unlike the Pentagon, which has a reputation in this sense below the baseboard. smile
                  By the way, do you, apparently, consider the video where the SAMs start and hit the target, fake? Well, I knew that ...
                  1. Shahno
                    Shahno April 17 2018 16: 20
                    0
                    Crater? At the place where 12 cr hit the object 1000x500 meters? Do not understand.....
                    1. Hire
                      Hire April 17 2018 18: 00
                      +6
                      Quote: Shahno
                      Crater? At the place where 12 cr hit the object 1000x500 meters? Do not understand.....

                      According to a Pentagon spokesman, 76 missiles, including 57 Tomahawk cruise missiles, were fired at a research center in the vicinity of Damascus.
                      More on TASS:
                      http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/5126886

                      winked Do you not believe General Kenneth Mackenzie, representative of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff? Oh no no no... laughing
                      And here is the center itself. Rather, a "funnel" of 76 missiles.
                    2. Geisenberg
                      Geisenberg April 23 2018 23: 32
                      0
                      Quote: Shahno
                      Crater? At the place where 12 cr hit the object 1000x500 meters? Do not understand.....


                      What an incomprehensible little man) 6 tons of explosive form a crater of 12 meters and 30 in diameter. And there is no 1000 to 500, 600 meters in length will be a maximum.
        7. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 17 2018 01: 11
          +13
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Syrians modestly declared 17 shot down (should there be any result, right?)

          So, 17 downed "tomahawks" still suit you? But it turns out that your favorite Trump is still a liar! After all, he said that not a single “ax” had been shot down! request
        8. _Sergei_
          _Sergei_ April 17 2018 04: 32
          +8
          That is, translated from Arabic did not release 103, but 301 tomahawks?
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII April 17 2018 08: 38
            +6
            Quote: _Sergey_
            That is, translated from Arabic did not release 103, but 301 tomahawks?

            У voyaka uh and it turns out .... laughing
    10. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg April 23 2018 23: 30
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      In the photo to the article, the harpoon anti-ship missile. This is not the Tomahawk hi


      Hatchet it. Open your eyes.
  2. Click
    Click April 16 2018 20: 11
    +6
    Of course they are cunning yes such objects are primarily disabled ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 16 2018 20: 21
      +12
      Quote: Click
      Of course they are cunning yes such objects are primarily disabled ...

      When they will be expressed more correctly in the address of European Americans .. Therefore, they are being cunning .. They are brazenly lying, as usual
      1. Click
        Click April 16 2018 20: 34
        +3
        This is not for me ... request to MO, I quoted him! smile and so what's the difference, they are cunning, they are lying, they are blatantly lying? The meaning is clear hi
        1. Svarog
          Svarog April 16 2018 21: 10
          +2
          Quote: Click
          This is not for me ... request to MO, I quoted him! smile and so what's the difference, they are cunning, they are lying, they are blatantly lying? The meaning is clear hi

          Of course not for you .. hi
      2. NordUral
        NordUral April 16 2018 21: 29
        +1
        Sly .... Good-natured in, my friend.
  3. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala April 16 2018 20: 11
    +13
    I would like to wish our General Staff: do not be like the Western media. You suspect that the targets were there - present rocket fragments (fragments) on the path visible on the map - from the launch site to the target, for example. You need to troll them - but let’s not the official representatives troll them, but the “sofa troops”. It seems to me that many are ready for the word "always!"
    1. Tusv
      Tusv April 16 2018 20: 24
      +8
      Quote: S_Baykala
      present rocket fragments (fragments)

      How do you imagine this?
      - Hyundai Hoh is a secret chip from a rocket.
      - Allah is a witness. This is my scrap
      Everything that is not fenced is pulled apart in minutes, except for those missiles that Rab landed
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi April 16 2018 21: 54
        +4
        Quote: Tusv
        Quote: S_Baykala
        present rocket fragments (fragments)

        How do you imagine this?
        - Hyundai Hoh is a secret chip from a rocket.
        - Allah is a witness. This is my scrap
        Everything that is not fenced is pulled apart in minutes, except for those missiles that Rab landed

        Or maybe you just need to shoot down? Here the Serbs shot down so nobody dragged them nicely. In principle, the Kyrgyz Republic, like any other aircraft, goes astray. But only after not just 70, but after 20 shot down so much remains.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv April 16 2018 22: 02
          +5
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Or maybe you just need to shoot down? Here the Serbs shot down so nobody pulled anything nicely from them

          Ha!. Aron. We watched the chronicle of the "dive bomber" inattentively. Kondraty nearly seized the poor old Serb when there was no metal in the wing of the lightning. But We and the Chinese, saved him with hard currency drinks
        2. Tusv
          Tusv April 16 2018 22: 19
          +9
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Or maybe you just need to shoot down?

          Well, firstly, do not shoot down, but land. And secondly, capital punishment is so mandatory? Vega shot in the direction of the Lancers. B1 did not suffer, but the bombers did not devastate. In the General scenario, Libya failed. But it’s really harder for you to get through Syrian air defense
        3. NN52
          NN52 April 16 2018 22: 19
          +9
          Aaron Zawi

          And if so?
          1. NN52
            NN52 April 16 2018 22: 20
            +8
            Or so too?
            1. ADT
              ADT April 16 2018 22: 27
              +4
              There is someone who knows who will say on what types of missiles trellised rudders are used?
              1. Tusv
                Tusv April 16 2018 22: 36
                +2
                There is someone who knows who will say on what types of missiles trellised rudders are used?

                Well, on many, especially ours. Such a fashion was in the 80s. Just what's the difference? The steering wheel will be somewhere near hi
                1. ADT
                  ADT April 16 2018 22: 40
                  +3
                  Well, I just don’t remember any modification of the tomahawk with such rudders, and indeed any nowadays fashionable inconspicuous missiles, such rudders do not wear. It was really a super-powerful bomb -GBU - 43, well, so it wasn’t used here, and it doesn’t look like it.
                  1. Tusv
                    Tusv April 16 2018 22: 50
                    +3
                    Quote: ADT
                    Well, I just don’t remember any modification of the tomahawk with such rudders

                    The ax flies up to 3 thousand km. What kind of lattice rudders? Their effectiveness is not further than hundreds
                    1. ADT
                      ADT April 16 2018 22: 56
                      +1
                      Here I am about the same thing.
              2. tlauicol
                tlauicol April 17 2018 03: 51
                +2
                On a photo with lattices the Point.
          2. Tusv
            Tusv April 16 2018 22: 23
            +3
            And if so?

            Aron guys aren’t a Pvoshnik ever, he can vparivat anything
          3. Bar1
            Bar1 April 16 2018 22: 24
            +2
            Tomahawk will be thicker, and then 0.5 tons of centuries will not fit

            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi April 16 2018 22: 54
              +2
              Quote: Bar1
              Tomahawk will be thicker, and then 0.5 tons of centuries will not fit


              Concrete axes have 350 kg warheads, and BBs have only 102 kg.
              1. NN52
                NN52 April 16 2018 23: 35
                +3
                And what is it then?
          4. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi April 16 2018 22: 53
            +5
            Quote: NN52
            Aaron Zawi

            And if so?

            Why drag a French rocket from Iraq here? request
        4. neri73-r
          neri73-r April 16 2018 23: 35
          +9
          Do not worry, everything is being collected and studied, and to prove to you is not to respect yourself. In your and other headquarters everyone knows everything perfectly and conclusions are drawn! Expect s-300 shipments to Syria, have been bombed, and you and your friends have been warned!
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner April 16 2018 20: 34
      +5
      Oh well. I remember Poroshenko, waving a piece of the bus, across Europe he was jumping pennies and asked. winked GSH will not lie, gentlemen believe in the word. yes
    3. LMN
      LMN April 16 2018 21: 24
      +12
      You suspect that the targets were there - present rocket fragments (fragments)

      Do you think this will convince all the scouts? No.

      If you look, then why the Russian Defense Ministry is to convince someone of something?
      I remember you yourself published an article here that talks about Putin’s “tacit strategy. Now the General Staff has shown that it knows everything and everything that happened. Not more, no less ... everything is like Putin’s))
      The dog barks, the caravan goes (s)
      Entourage good
  4. Operator
    Operator April 16 2018 20: 16
    +4
    Konashenkov: Syrian air defense used 112 anti-aircraft missiles to repulse the strike of the USA, France and Great Britain.

    "Carapace" - 25 missiles were launched, 23 targets were hit. Buk - released by 29, hit 24 targets. "Wasp" - released by 11, hit 5 targets. C-125 - released by 13, hit 5 targets. Arrow-10 - Five released, hit 3 targets. "Square" - released by 21, hit 11 targets. C-200 - 8 missiles were fired, the targets were not hit.

    Konashenkov added that the low performance of the C-200 anti-aircraft missile system should not be misleading anyone, since the complex is designed to destroy primarily aircraft and recently destroyed a fighter of one of the neighboring states.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv April 16 2018 20: 56
      +8
      Quote: Operator
      Konashenkov added that the low performance of the S-200 anti-aircraft missile system should not mislead anyone

      I said in the morning that if Vega knocks an ax, then I’m a Roman couple. But to rush for two hundred km so that the radars could better see the launch is justified
    2. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 April 16 2018 21: 27
      +4
      operator-andrey, why the hell did you post the article to us ?? belay fool
      1. Operator
        Operator April 16 2018 21: 29
        +2
        Sorry - I have not read the article, but I support laughing
        1. Cat
          Cat April 16 2018 22: 03
          +4
          Classic - "did not read, but do not approve"!
          No offense!!! laughing hi
  5. Tusv
    Tusv April 16 2018 20: 17
    +2
    Pancake. In the morning, we chewed everything on the shelves in the morning and put voila in the mouth at the Headquarters of the Moscow Region. Voiced
  6. Vard
    Vard April 16 2018 20: 19
    +5
    What is the difference between a Westerner and a Russian .... Westerner, even if he is not right ... Or a country ... But he will stand to the last ... On the principle, he is a son of a bitch ... But he is our son of a bitch .. And ours ... And this is clearly seen in VO ... Someone in the forest ... Someone for firewood ... Moreover, without reliable information ... They make assumptions with the main direction ... Everything is bad with us ... I would like to note ... So they do not win in information wars ...
    1. Bad_santa
      Bad_santa April 16 2018 20: 34
      +2
      We do not have the same resource as the West that would spend them on the whitewashing of lies. Therefore, we are trying to put pressure on the civilized and truthful side
    2. NordUral
      NordUral April 16 2018 21: 33
      +8
      If the power had not been overlooked, it would have been truly ours. And so, while you understand a bit where the noodles, and where the truth is, you will express a lot of extra words. On my own, I’ll say that for any message, one must not rush to respond.
    3. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets April 16 2018 22: 52
      +2
      Quote: Vard
      And ours ... And this is clearly visible in VO ... Someone in the forest ... Someone for firewood ... Moreover, without reliable information ... Build assumptions with the main focus ... Everything is bad with us ... to notice ... So they do not win in information wars ...

      First, we have a heightened sense of justice smile secondly, the people in VO have served a lot, who are interested in topics and generally specialists, and when they openly sell bullshit - it’s commonplace, yes! yes
      1. Mestny
        Mestny April 16 2018 23: 19
        +1
        Are you talking about writing Arabic numbers by Arabs? There is one bullshit here, a connoisseur of Arabic
  7. den3080
    den3080 April 16 2018 20: 19
    +11
    I do not really understand why this is waving fists after a fight. Honestly: Why? Calculated on the Russian audience. In the West, no one will see or hear.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin April 16 2018 20: 24
      +11
      Quote: den3080
      I do not really understand why this is waving fists after a fight. Honestly: Why? Calculated on the Russian audience. In the West, no one will see or hear.

      This is not waving after a fight - this is the potential buyers of Russian air defense systems. If so, "Wasp" knocks cruise missiles, then what about the newest air defense missile systems ... And those who need it, all this will hear perfectly
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 16 2018 21: 52
        +4
        Quote: Volodin
        This is not a wave after the fight - it is to potential buyers of Russian air defense systems

        making a decision depends not only on what Konashenkov said. They need very
        weighty arguments
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi April 16 2018 21: 56
        +4
        Quote: Volodin

        This is not waving after a fight - this is the potential buyers of Russian air defense systems. If so, "Wasp" knocks cruise missiles, then what about the newest air defense missile systems ... And those who need it, all this will hear perfectly

        You show at least one of these rockets to customers. Who believes words today?
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII April 16 2018 22: 00
          +5
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          You show at least one of these rockets to customers. Who believes words today?

          And which rocket should I show? laughing Only tourists look at the rocket lol The buyer will look at the effectiveness, characteristics, etc. yes
          1. Mestny
            Mestny April 16 2018 23: 23
            +1
            This does not need to be shown. In every phrase he has animal Russophobia, hatred and contempt for the Russians.
            Do you want to argue with him for the truth?
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII April 16 2018 23: 41
              +4
              Quote: Mestny
              Do you want to argue with him for the truth?

              She has no meat there ... lol
              1. abvgdeika
                abvgdeika April 17 2018 00: 11
                0
                Where does such knowledge come from in Hebrew slang?
    2. Vard
      Vard April 16 2018 20: 25
      +5
      Once itching began ... It’s hard to stop ... Kuzma Prutkov ...
    3. yaros
      yaros April 16 2018 20: 31
      +1
      You are mistaken on all the forums in the West are discussing, you are just behind the times
    4. Prisoner
      Prisoner April 16 2018 20: 36
      0
      Are you not Russian? Everything for the soul. Really not clear laughing
    5. sabakina
      sabakina April 16 2018 21: 10
      +2
      Quote: den3080
      That's honest: Why? Designed for a Russian audience. In the West, no one will see or hear.
      den3080, why then do foreign journalists sit there? Type walked by and went just like that?
    6. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 April 16 2018 21: 11
      +3
      Quote: den3080
      I don’t really understand why this is a wave of fists after a fight.

      Debriefing and debriefing always occurs AFTER.
      Quote: den3080
      Designed for a Russian audience.

      But is this not enough?
      Quote: den3080
      In the West, no one will see or hear.

      Not at all necessary ...
    7. NordUral
      NordUral April 16 2018 21: 35
      +1
      This is sad, the guys from the West brained their brains with a lie.
    8. LMN
      LMN April 16 2018 21: 43
      +7
      Quote: den3080
      I do not really understand why this is waving fists after a fight. Honestly: Why? Calculated on the Russian audience. In the West, no one will see or hear.

      We have already been heard. At least the military laughing
  8. Livonetc
    Livonetc April 16 2018 20: 26
    +1
    Quote: Click
    Magazine stick, not Konashenkov hi

    Respected.
    You read on this resource materials prepared by people whom you do not respect.
    Apparently you are not a reader, but a writer.
    Write to us something interesting and in all respects impeccable.
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 April 16 2018 21: 16
      +2
      Quote: Livonetc
      Respected.
      You read on this resource materials prepared by people whom you do not respect.
      Apparently you are not a reader, but a writer.

      But it’s not worth it so categorically! As for me, such blunders are precisely unprofessionalism and disrespect for the reader.
      Although there is already an opinion that judging by the number of stabilizers and the degree of sharpness of the nose, the product in the photo is still a tomahawk.
  9. Opera
    Opera April 16 2018 20: 30
    +4
    For a long time they were worried how to hide or level even their disgrace !!! They came up with a disgrace not to recognize!))) Cool-for three goals they hit 103 missiles !!!!!)))))) But in fact, I liked their statement yesterday, we did not set the task to interfere with Russia's strategic goals in Syria! !!!))))) In what ?! But these are allies simply!
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 16 2018 23: 28
      +1
      Here just one peppy Russophobe jumps developing the idea that these are so high-precision missiles that they hit the same funnel. and that the highly humanized United States did this on purpose, regretted the Russian savages.
      It seems that only a kul in the forehead will stop them.
  10. rruvim
    rruvim April 16 2018 20: 33
    +7
    How could Arrow 10 hit three axes at night?
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic April 16 2018 20: 39
      0
      They are subsonic, albeit low-flying, so there is nothing special about this!
      1. rruvim
        rruvim April 16 2018 20: 47
        +5
        But in "Arrow-10" you need to consider the goal with your eyes! Through the "window" ...
        1. sabakina
          sabakina April 16 2018 21: 15
          +5
          Quote: rruvim
          But in "Arrow-10" you need to consider the goal with your eyes! Through the "window" ...

          Roman, on the "exhaust"! When the nuts stop you, do you think the spelling in your documents is important to them? wink
    2. Fedorov
      Fedorov April 16 2018 20: 52
      0
      Nobody canceled the dawn, like the sunset. There everything is different. It may be dark here with us. In St. Petersburg, for example, we have a separate story.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim April 16 2018 21: 07
        +8
        Well, let's hope that the operator through the polycarbonate glass noticed a "movement". From my own experience I know how the x-555 flies, it is difficult to notice it, even if comrades show you with a finger. Typically, a finger whistles overhead in a straight line in one second. But let’s say the operator noticed this feature against the backdrop of Dawn, unfolded the “Arrow-10” with infrared seekers and ... I can’t even imagine how ... I chased after it?
        1. SOF
          SOF April 16 2018 21: 29
          +3
          Quote: rruvim
          .... that the operator through polycarbonate glass ..... "Arrow-10"

          ... which arrow are you talking about? They are different lol
          There is even a caterpillar chassis, with a missile, with a thermal homing head .... with a machine for capturing and tracking ....
          1. rruvim
            rruvim April 16 2018 22: 01
            +5
            That's what I don’t know about the "capture and tracking machine" on Arrow-10, I don’t know ...
            Yes, there is a machine for capturing and tracking the target, a scanning unit - on the experimental modification of 2015. But what would it be immediately in Syria, and under the control of the Syrians? I do not believe!
            1. SOF
              SOF April 16 2018 23: 48
              +2
              Quote: rruvim
              Yes, there is a machine for capturing and tracking the target, a scanning unit - on the experimental modification of 2015. But what would it be immediately in Syria, and under the control of the Syrians? I do not believe!

              https://tv-zvezda.defence.ru/article/obnovlennaya
              -strela-kak-dnevnoi-strelok-stal-nochnim-okhotnik
              om /
              ... they could, to the noise, after last year’s escapade of red-haired inadequate, when the owners had to puff ....
              ... and then why exactly the "Syrians" ..... to upgrade the workhorse of near radius to the level of a hunter in the Kyrgyz Republic and not to "try" him on a safari for real "game" ..........
              1. rruvim
                rruvim April 17 2018 00: 05
                0
                But maybe. Although everything that is "experimental" is doubtful ...
        2. dchanc
          dchanc April 16 2018 21: 31
          0
          Where have you gained your experience?
          1. rruvim
            rruvim April 16 2018 21: 49
            +5
            Polygon Sary-Shagan. EW node.
      2. dchanc
        dchanc April 16 2018 21: 30
        +2
        The latitude of Moscow from Damascus differs slightly more than a degree (111 km.). Where else? You look at the terrain from the side of the media. seas. Another polar day dragged, or the border of the ice edge in the Barents Sea.
    3. sabakina
      sabakina April 16 2018 21: 12
      +3
      Quote: rruvim
      How could Arrow 10 hit three axes at night?

      Roman, maybe shout "Banzai"? wink
      1. rruvim
        rruvim April 16 2018 21: 27
        +5
        Think so. Through the loudspeaker. And do not banzai. Ah, Christ is Risen! The Orthodox Syrians have this: Al-Masih-Qam! المسيح قام [Al Masih Qam]! Ḥaqqan qām! Truly Risen. And the "axes" fell ...
        And what? It may well be ...
    4. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 April 16 2018 21: 21
      +2
      Quote: rruvim
      How could Arrow 10 hit three axes at night?

      Is Arrow Russian? Russian. The soul of the holiday requested. And here - hop! - three axes! drinks Oh, my youth! "Three axes", bullseye slices, bonfire and starry night ...
  11. rruvim
    rruvim April 16 2018 20: 45
    +11
    The "Shell-S" in the program "sewn up" has two missiles for one Target. Consumption then the minimum should be 46 missiles. The effectiveness of “Buka” in the words of Konashenkov is generally impressive. Just a "super-duper" complex. Both sides: both ours and the USA are misleading ...
    1. sabakina
      sabakina April 16 2018 21: 18
      +3
      Roman, well, somehow I don’t want to check this arithmetic on my territory ... Maybe it’s better to believe in someone else’s? Especially for our ...
    2. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 April 16 2018 21: 22
      +2
      Quote: rruvim
      Both sides: both ours and the USA are misleading ...

      Well, what to do? The law of the genre, however.
    3. NordUral
      NordUral April 16 2018 21: 39
      0
      The Syrian people are not worrying too much, it seems they are even happy - it means closer to the truth Konashenkov.
    4. New Year day
      New Year day April 16 2018 21: 56
      +3
      Quote: rruvim
      Both sides: both ours and the USA are misleading ...

      in this joke, the reverse is unprovable. Friendship won.
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 16 2018 22: 41
      +1
      The same does not believe in such an air defense performance of Syria - we are waiting for photos of the debris of all 71 missiles.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny April 16 2018 23: 37
        +5
        Urgently call the Minister of Defense. Let him drop everything and gather all his strength in search of rocket fragments.
        As soon as the Americans are clearly obscured - so begins to mumble a mumble about "unprovable", and "the truth is somewhere in the middle." But if on the contrary, then there is a carcass of the light, the power is to blame.
        A good fight for the truth.
        1. rruvim
          rruvim April 17 2018 00: 12
          +1
          And what is not clear here! We were all indignant (and at our forum) that we had not had time to take the Skripals to the hospital, but that we had been accused of a chemical attack. So here, the smoke from the suburbs of Damascus has not yet been dispelled, so General Rudskoy has already announced how many missiles were shot down. Even at the firing range, preliminary conclusions on firing on the basis of documentary and parametric information are made five days later, final after 14 days.
          1. Vard
            Vard April 17 2018 03: 59
            +1
            So we study ... In war as in war ...
      2. Horon
        Horon April 17 2018 14: 14
        +1
        What will the debris give you? The next statement will be that the wreckage of the missiles was collected at the site of the strike and transferred to promote the quality of the Syrian air defense. And everything will go in a new way! If debris was collected there, then for study. It doesn’t matter where they are collected, but photos can only get to the Internet by accident, basically only fake ones will appear now.
        1. rruvim
          rruvim April 17 2018 22: 41
          0
          The question is. That they can "dabble" in the air defense systems themselves. Even the AGM-88E AARGM anti-radar missile practically "sees" all Syrian and Our complexes ...
          1. Horon
            Horon April 23 2018 20: 10
            +1
            The question is. That they can "dabble" in the air defense systems themselves.

            And in that case, what will the debris give you? Where is the guarantee that these fragments will not turn out not from downed missiles, but from spent on targets?
            Even the AGM-88E AARGM anti-radar missile practically "sees" all Syrian and Our complexes ...

            That's why it is called "anti-radar", but the trouble is that to see and hit is two different things. Against stationary radars, they can work out with greater efficiency, but against mobile ones? Our technologies also do not stand still and counteraction to such missiles will also be provided. Against a massive strike, air defense certainly will not stand, but there, if desired, can be practiced on carriers and bases. Damage to the enemy may also be unacceptable. But this is the story of "what we can" and "what we want." So far we only get a good mine with a battered face!
  12. ADT
    ADT April 16 2018 20: 45
    +3
    An alternative opinion on this subject is the success of Syrian air defense. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO80vlGeRI8
    And this is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KN7lYse_Do
    1. sabakina
      sabakina April 16 2018 21: 23
      +5
      Nude nude ... And if the Jews hit? ... belay - Mom, pack your things urgently! Right now there will be a desert!
    2. NordUral
      NordUral April 16 2018 21: 46
      +3
      Buddy, don’t fuss like that. In the first video, ours all confirmed, no one denies the accuracy, however, we still have to fly, not knocked down.
      By the second video, you can only judge the degree of your IQ, it seems that you are not even a Jew.
      1. Rader
        Rader April 16 2018 23: 00
        +3
        Quote: NordUral
        By the second video, you can only judge the degree of your IQ

        Eugene, why so rude. The man saw an alternative "opinion" of an alternatively gifted subject and decided to share this "opinion" with us. As I understand it, the subject lives (well, or at least sympathizes) in an alternatively great and alternatively independent alternative superpower, this can forgive a lot to the author of the video wassat
  13. NEXUS
    NEXUS April 16 2018 20: 46
    +8
    including from the "Shell" complex - 25 missiles. They hit 23 targets.
    Buk - released 29, hit 24 targets.

    A good coefficient of the order of 0,8-0,85 ...
    The low performance of the S-200 anti-aircraft missile system should not be misleading anyone, since the complex is designed to destroy primarily aircraft and recently destroyed a fighter of one of the neighboring states.

    Thinly faked the Israelites. With a hint that the Israeli Air Force will soon be dealing with the S-300 ...
    1. cniza
      cniza April 16 2018 20: 49
      +6
      Thinly faked the Israelites. With a hint that the Israeli Air Force will soon be dealing with the S-300 ...


      They will be happy to thank the United States and the hedgehog with them.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 16 2018 20: 52
        +3
        Quote: cniza
        They will be happy to thank the United States and the hedgehog with them.

        Well, here at VO, the Israelis were proving that they had learned to work against the S-300 ... so let’s see.
        1. ADT
          ADT April 16 2018 20: 56
          +2
          Some criticism of complexes with - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PothlAGlJWE&t
          = 4s
        2. NordUral
          NordUral April 16 2018 21: 48
          +1
          Those who left them explained everything, so they learned.
    2. rruvim
      rruvim April 16 2018 20: 54
      +15
      But even the latest modifications of the “Buk” do not show the effectiveness of 0,8-0,85 in polygon conditions. And here is the mountainous terrain, different directions of the strike, counteraction of the enemy’s electronic warfare, a huge number of marks on the Indicator, both ours and yours ... And on you: 29 launches and 24 re defeats. I do not believe!!!
      1. NordUral
        NordUral April 16 2018 21: 49
        0
        Well, embellished, a bit, Konashenkov. But he is not such a cheeky liar as Trump with a 100% defeat of goals.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 16 2018 22: 49
          +1
          Yes, this Konashenkov is still that balabol, in the last missile attack on the aerodrome "Out of 59 missiles flew 23" - the rest evaporated without a trace - judging from his words. And this time, the effectiveness of disparate air defense is almost 90% - this physically cannot be.
  14. NKVD
    NKVD April 16 2018 20: 55
    +1
    Konashenkov is cunning. One and a half or two tons of explosives is clearly not enough to destroy such a large object as an airfield.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina April 16 2018 21: 26
      +5
      And what is he cunning about? He said no more than a dozen. 500x10 = 5000 kg. What's wrong?
  15. Lysik001
    Lysik001 April 16 2018 20: 58
    +8
    And where are the photos of the shot down missiles? Just words are worthless without evidence.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 16 2018 21: 05
      +8
      Quote: Lysik001
      And where are the photos of the shot down missiles? Just words are worthless without evidence.

      And do not show photos of the destroyed strategic objects?
      1. ADT
        ADT April 16 2018 21: 11
        +2
        Here some photos appeared - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO80vlGeRI8
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS April 16 2018 21: 15
          +4
          Quote: ADT
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO80vlGeRI8

          Dear, this is a fake ... the buildings in Damascus or in other cities of Syria are now not in such good condition, as shown in the photo ...
          1. ADT
            ADT April 16 2018 21: 21
            +4
            May be .
            Then we wait that the Americans will give out.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS April 16 2018 21: 32
              +5
              Quote: ADT
              Then we wait that the Americans will give out.

              I don’t believe this tweet, they had chemical attack facts in Syria (by the way, where is the confirmation of the use of chemical weapons?) And Powell shook a test tube, which cost Iraq 2,5 million Iraqis.
              1. ADT
                ADT April 16 2018 21: 41
                +8
                I will wait for the official photos, from all sides. Both shot down missiles and destroyed objects. In addition, we do not know the exact indices of the missiles used, but some had cameras. Some videos may appear. Of course, if they reached the target. The media show is too much fiction, and nothing to believe at all.
      2. rruvim
        rruvim April 16 2018 21: 18
        +8
        Yes that's just the point. Some from overseas broadcast that “all targets” were destroyed and show three objects, others - ours, report 70% of the effectiveness of Syrian air defense, and complexes that are simply not aimed at low-flying targets are considered “air” victories. Here they also make a reservation (Konashenkov) about the futility of the launches of the 200s. Why then did they even start? Eight two hundredth? Chaos? Panic? Each Vega rocket is like a launch vehicle from Plesetsk.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS April 16 2018 22: 03
          +4
          Quote: rruvim
          Some from overseas broadcast that “all targets” are destroyed and show three objects, others - ours, report 70% of Syrian air defense’s effectiveness, and complexes that are simply “not targeted” for low-flying targets are considered “air” victories

          You decide who you believe is the enemy, but in fact the enemy and his media or your MO. Did the fact of a rocket strike take place?
          SAM defensive objects either reflect the strike, or die along with the object. Any rocketer will tell you this. Where is the photo of the Syrians destroyed by the SAM and the objects that they covered? Do you really think that if the mattresses worked out well, they would not have overwhelmed the Internet photos and videos of their triumph in the first hours?
          1. rruvim
            rruvim April 16 2018 22: 42
            +3
            I do not claim that the Syrian air defense, or our "specialists" inside the Syrian air defense did not shoot down coalition rockets. I just do not believe in the performance of 71 of the 103rd. Most likely 30 pieces were shot down, the rest simply fell due to electronic warfare or for technical reasons, and 30 reached the target. Third / third / third.
            1. Mestny
              Mestny April 16 2018 23: 42
              -1
              And where does the “EW effect" come from, from another planet? Is this impact not included in the performance?
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      1. rruvim
        rruvim April 16 2018 21: 39
        +5
        I wish our homeless people find such things ... Blossom color ... drinks
        1. Mestny
          Mestny April 16 2018 23: 44
          0
          The holy dream of the United States and its burry friends is for the homeless in Russia to collect fragments of US missiles.
          1. rruvim
            rruvim April 17 2018 01: 55
            0
            What's so bad about that? It is better to collect the wreckage of downed missiles than to carry construction debris from crumpled buildings.
  16. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 April 16 2018 21: 05
    0
    Quote: Paul Zewike
    The harpoon has 4 medium stabilizers. There are two. And another 8 behind. The harpoon has a sharper fairing. This is a tomahawk.

    An air intake (or what is this appendix called from below?) Is not observed.
  17. yaros
    yaros April 16 2018 21: 09
    +7
    Quote: NKVD
    Konashenkov is cunning. One and a half or two tons of explosives is clearly not enough to destroy such a large object as an airfield.

    It’s strange to hear about cunning, I really still served in the GRU of the Ministry of Defense during the USSR, and you know I’m used to the fact that ours give true facts, and I’ve been convinced of this many times at my military post ..... VO regulars, on the contrary, believe everything what the adversary says, although there is a clear disinformation, if you think about it .... and they don’t believe the words of our Moscow Region ..... Something has changed in 30 years, or local analysts really have problems with critical thinking, am
    1. shura7782
      shura7782 April 16 2018 21: 42
      +3
       yaros (Alexander and many times convinced of this at his combat post And in Afghanistan I was convinced of the opposite. And it really upset me. Therefore, as in the fairy tale "I believe every beast, and I will wait for you hedgehog." Wow, they picked up the word "guile." I would put it another way, but not.
    2. rruvim
      rruvim April 16 2018 21: 45
      +7
      And here I’ve been convinced more than once on my military post that no one gave true or not true facts to anyone. When a fighter crashed, or an anti-aircraft missile exploded at the start, crippling people, the information did not go anywhere except our training ground. Maybe it was different with you in the GRU of the Ministry of Defense, then truthful facts were laid out in the press ...
      1. yaros
        yaros April 16 2018 21: 53
        +2
        In those days, they didn’t post information about the press so that the sofa analysts would not produce .... one thing I can say Sunday raid will be sorted out for a long time, by normal headquarters analysts, to the smallest detail under a microscope .... This is impossible since we don’t know everyone facts ....
        1. rruvim
          rruvim April 16 2018 23: 50
          0
          Maybe our Russian analysts at headquarters now analyze everything under a microscope, but in Soviet times, in 1989, I watched a picture: Sverdlovsk residents from the 75th didn’t get into Squirrel because of their stupidity, and I accidentally accompanied a photo from the KPC (Command point of the Center) with evidence of their mistake. I handed them over to the duty officer at the Headquarters, on the first site. I was hanging around the headquarters for another two hours, looking for a car that would go towards my position, I look that a "secretary" came out of the headquarters (one-story building). Armenian, I knew him. And under the mulberry trees it burns films. Mine turned out to be ... Then my boss, Captain Kirillov, told me that the Sverdlovsk fired at the top five.
    3. Lucy
      Lucy April 16 2018 21: 55
      0
      It was necessary to serve in operational management, and read explanatory notes to profile sections with calculations of a given P, to application plans, a solution to ..., and it is better to be modest in an air defense missile system, air defense system, or division to have an idea of ​​the organization of air defense. But it was amazing to study at the Air Defense Academy.
      The American General Staff also has RU, and planning also begins with a report of the beginning. intelligence, so everything was calculated for a given P, in relation to the concept of "disable", "destroy", "damage" ... In Yugoslavia, mattress mattresses began harder, let's see what happens next.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 16 2018 22: 52
        +1
        Quote: lusya
        In Yugoslavia, the mattress covers began tougher, let's see what happens next.

        If the mattresses in Syria started harder, then they would have received an exchange of blows not from the Syrians, but from us ... which in turn is half a step away from nuclear exchange. Our general headquarters is not Trump, and he does not throw words into the wind, besides knocking down carriers is not a general whim, but an order from above. And the mattresses understood this well.
        But in fairness, I’ll say that I’m sure that there will be repeated missile strikes. The mattresses will analyze the results, draw conclusions and the strike can be much more painful for the Syrians, and possibly for our bases. Therefore, the S-300 is urgently transferred there. But since the 300s do not go alone, it means that the Shells are included or the same TORs ..
        1. rruvim
          rruvim April 16 2018 23: 33
          +6
          Yes! There will be more blows. And the always losing side is the one that only knocks down the means of destruction. The coalition can concentrate up to 550-600 cruise and other missiles in this direction in a week. All the capabilities of our air defense in the Mediterranean sector are not more than 1-2 channels per degree of space. Two S-400s and one S-300 give a total of 108 channels, i.e., the simultaneous launch of 108 missiles. Let's add the Armor of the cover -124 missiles, and something from any other "machinery" including ships. Together, we can only make no more than 300 tons of launches for the first wave. taking into account the consumption of two missiles on target, with an efficiency of a whole unit we will knock down no more than 150 "axes". The first wave is usually 2/3 of the available, therefore 150 (one hundred and fifty) 70-kg. our air defense systems, airfields with radar complexes, command posts and communication centers, warehouses and barracks will hit the warheads. The next wave will be in 15 minutes, 250-ton missiles, but with almost no counteraction of well-coordinated air defense, only with a single counteraction.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 16 2018 23: 45
            +2
            Quote: rruvim
            our air defense systems, airfields with radar complexes, command posts and communication centers, warehouses and barracks will hit the warheads.

            You are discounting the actions of our group of ships and submarines in the Mediterranean, as well as the same TU-22, with X-32 missiles, and MIG-31BM, which are based in the Crimea. And as soon as they start hitting our bases, destroying our missile defense in Syria, they will immediately start drowning and knocking down carriers, and I doubt very much that the carriers will have time to shoot the entire BC axes in order to gain the volley density you are talking about.
            Moreover, as I said earlier, where did you get the idea that our answer will be only linear? If such a kneading begins, the first to go to the destruction of the base with radar in Poland and Romania, as well as 16 mattress bases in Syria, which for the same Iskander goal you can not imagine. In terms of drugs, the three largest mattress bases in Syria have about 2500 US citizens. I do not think that Trump, with all his stupidity, will agree to send several thousand US citizens flying to America in zinc because of his ambitions. To kill 2,5 million Iraqis is Obama’s peacemaker, but a couple of thousand Americans in zinc is the end of the presidency and the war is not with the Papuans, the outcome of which does not bode well for the United States.
            1. rruvim
              rruvim April 17 2018 00: 03
              +2
              I completely agree with you in the plan that the only way out is to destroy the carriers. Just knocking down weapons means losing. For the naval grouping in the Mediterranean Sea, both the Bastions and the Balls, already located in Syria, are suitable. But it is necessary to hit the Angles Base in Cyprus, Crete and the Amer bases in Qatar and the UAE. Only then can military "equality" be achieved. The TU-22 approach takes time, and it is more than the AGM flight from cruisers to Tartus and Latakia. I'm afraid that the TU-22 will arrive already on the ashes. For us, the defense "in attack" is only six SU-34 and coastal complexes.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS April 17 2018 00: 06
                +2
                Quote: rruvim
                I'm afraid that the TU-22 will arrive already on the ashes.

                But the MIG-31 with the Daggers will have time in time ... and I’m sure the mattresses will not like it not upon arrival, not according to the results when they fire back.
                1. rruvim
                  rruvim April 17 2018 00: 46
                  +4
                  This fake from the "guarantor" about the "daggers" has already "gotten" ... sad
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS April 17 2018 00: 53
                    +4
                    Quote: rruvim
                    This fake from the "guarantor" about the "daggers" has already "gotten" ... sad

                    Do you have evidence that the dagger is a fake? Despite the fact that such a bluff is very quickly and easily disclosed by intelligence.
                    1. rruvim
                      rruvim April 17 2018 01: 35
                      +2
                      I have no evidence "other than" the cartoon on the central channel that this is not a fake. But there is an interview with Boris Obnosov (the figure is clearly in the subject) in the military-industrial complex No. 14 of this year. I write the whole phrase: "I think by the 2020s, the speed of 6-7 Machs for controlled continuous flights in the atmosphere can be achieved by practical examples. "Notice in the 20s, that is, from 2021 to 2029. So who to believe? Guarantor or specialist?
                      1. XXXIII
                        XXXIII April 17 2018 09: 29
                        +3
                        Quote: rruvim
                        I have no evidence "other than" the cartoon on the central channel that this is not a fake. But there is an interview with Boris Obnosov (the figure is clearly in the subject) in the military-industrial complex No. 14 of this year. I write the whole phrase: "I think by the 2020s, the speed of 6-7 Machs for controlled continuous flights in the atmosphere can be achieved by practical examples. "Notice in the 20s, that is, from 2021 to 2029. So who to believe? Guarantor or specialist?

                        MiG-25 Soviet single supersonic high-altitude interceptor, designed by Mikoyan-Gurevich design bureau.
                        The legendary aircraft, which has several world records, including a speed record, however, as was the case in the USSR, was silent about many things. According to the general designer R.A.Belyakov, the MiG exceeding the speed M = 3 reduced the life of the airframe, but did not damage the aircraft or the engine. from the words of familiar pilots, the plane repeatedly crossed the threshold in 3,5, but this record was not officially recorded.


                        Everything is possible, the problem is that the current and designed samples will not be able to withstand such an overload, the pilots will also not withstand such loads of 6-7 = m, they will already be astronauts, not the pilots .... yes
                    2. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker April 17 2018 17: 05
                      +1
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Do you have evidence that the dagger is a fake?

                      Andrey, to such an incredulous and nuclear weapons - a fake. But to check - is unlikely to want. Cognitive dissonance: "There - I believe, here - I do not believe."
                      laughing
        2. Lucy
          Lucy April 16 2018 23: 46
          +2
          You are straight start. OU GSH.
          What are the swap exchanges? Between whom and what (Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation)? Our funny regiment will turn gray like a plum with its S-400. Everything will be according to the worked out scheme, striking by the coalition with the notification of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Well, at least the United States does not misinform the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation about striking, otherwise on the mat. parts it is necessary to carry out routine maintenance. So far, a coalition from 3 countries, who else harnessed to see. They stuck deeply and for a long time, and did not squeeze out part of the forces in Russia.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 16 2018 23: 54
            +2
            Quote: lusya
            What are the swap exchanges? Between whom and what (Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation)? Our funny regiment will turn gray like a plum with its S-400.

            Seriously? That is, you say that our MO in fact will chew snot and fight another 30 years in Syria with ISIS?
            Quote: lusya
            Everything will be according to the worked out scheme, striking by the coalition with the notification of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

            Mattresses can be alerted to themselves at any time. We need to end this war, and if we sit like a plum, then, allowing us to iron Assad’s troops, we risk returning to the state of 15 years, which, incidentally, is very suitable for mattresses.
            Or do you think that the General Staff has nothing to make such statements from all over the world?
            Quote: lusya
            They stuck deeply and for a long time, and did not squeeze out part of the forces in Russia.

            Stop ... compare the cards at the time of our VKS entering the war and now.
    4. vik669
      vik669 April 17 2018 00: 51
      +2
      The regulars of VO in the majority, judging by the comments, have the level of a soldier from a construction battalion but ...!
  18. LMN
    LMN April 16 2018 21: 15
    +5
    So much for the "photo of the downed Tamogawks."
    All on the shelves.
    Entourage good
    Alarmists in the scrap))
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 16 2018 22: 55
      +2
      Where are they these photos of the downed Tomahawks, Storm Shadow, AGM 158ER.
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    1. rruvim
      rruvim April 16 2018 21: 38
      +4
      Because in Libya then there was already Chaos (Arab Spring), and the deceased abolished the Army as a class. He claimed that for the Jamahiriya, a regular army is harmful, because it is essentially an exploiter of the masses. Then the number of Libyans who studied at our military universities was sharply reduced, the air defense and air force were actually dissolved. Sarkozy even kissed him for that. So in the end he got a bullet from his people ... or a bunch of cobblestones in the face, the coalition did not have a hand in his murder.
  20. pogon
    pogon April 16 2018 21: 27
    +3
    Well, denyuzhki Russians cried, drove into this Syria, and not a single ax was shot down. Now Konashenkov what the hosh will say, but will not buy it already, is inefficient. The Pentagon said that they did not bring down anything.
    1. SOF
      SOF April 16 2018 21: 47
      +9
      Quote: pogon
      The Pentagon said that they did not bring down anything

      The Pentagon, in the entire history of its existence, only defeated Grenada ..... dreamers ....
      1. SOF
        SOF April 16 2018 21: 48
        +5
        .....pancake..........
        ..... where does this get out? wassat wassat wassat
        1. Sheridan
          Sheridan April 17 2018 13: 31
          0
          Yes from the vagina. I’m air defense (more precisely, ZRV), I read the third day about the event. My bald head and ass feels that there was an agreement, but the "weak" link upset the picture. I doubt further.
  21. yaros
    yaros April 16 2018 21: 35
    +8
    Quote: pogon
    Well, denyuzhki Russians cried, drove into this Syria

    Why don’t you pay for your money, more than $ 200 million for 3 sheds, we would have cut it ... It’s better if we bought a factory for crushing bricks, and that’s more use ....
  22. Lucy
    Lucy April 16 2018 21: 40
    +1
    Quote: NEXUS
    A good coefficient of the order of 0,8-0,85 ...

    And what is the coefficient?
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 16 2018 21: 52
      +2
      Quote: lusya
      And what is the coefficient?

      Interception coefficient ... in general, it is believed that the cost of missile defense goes from 2 to 5. For example, at Buka - 29 missile defense systems were released, 24 targets were intercepted ... that is, if we take 100 as a unit (29%) and 29 shot down targets were fired, then with 29 missile defense expended, 24 targets were hit ... and it turns out not just a unit, but 0,8-0,85 ...
      1. Lucy
        Lucy April 16 2018 22: 15
        0
        From where the figure came second-grader would understand. Where did you read about "Interception rate ..", when calculating what is used at the headquarters of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, or somewhere about America. Missile defense in nete ?.
        And this is where - "missile defense", in relation to this topic? You are a prof. Pvoshnik? Me not.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS April 16 2018 22: 23
          +1
          Quote: lusya
          And where does this come from - “anti-missile consumption”, in relation to this topic? You are a prof. Pvoshnik? Me not.

          Dear, we don’t even know each other ... but about the "nadybal" ... so don’t be too lazy and delve into the internet, as the air defense coefficient is considered. This data is not confidential and you do not need to be an anti-aircraft nickname for this.
          1. Lucy
            Lucy April 16 2018 23: 04
            0
            Here is the odds. SAM from somewhere appeared, and probably maintain efficiency? I didn’t like it, I read it. Who cares. Here, be lazy do not be lazy, do not get to know each other, but you need to have some kind of military education at the department of tactics for primary care.
            Your Internet is not classified data, or with the stamp of C, you can send to the furnace. But if you read with the signature stamp CC, then you can dose and explain. Therefore, dig yourself in nete.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS April 16 2018 23: 21
              +2
              Quote: lusya
              But if you read with the signature stamp CC, then you can dosed and explain.

              If here we read the data on documents with the SS stamp, then a black funnel would very soon come for you and take to Lubyanka for a polite explanatory conversation that the talker is a find for a spy.
          2. Sheridan
            Sheridan April 17 2018 13: 34
            0
            Do not argue. This is the EFFICIENCY of firing. Those. compliance of the firing results with the task. 103 flew, 103 must be shot down, 71 shot down. The calculator is in your hands or in a column.
      2. rruvim
        rruvim April 16 2018 22: 32
        +5
        Well, it can only be in landfill conditions. For example, on the “complete” BUK-M3 complex, three Sinits targets and a pair of Boars are produced. The complete set has 36 channels. But for firing, a truncated version of -12 missiles is usually used. There are no mountains. The target launch site is known. EW countermeasures are almost "conditional." All targets are shot down. The rating is excellent. Only a couple of rockets self-destructed at launch. There were extra ones. Then it turns out that one of the targets, usually a boar, also self-destructed. So much for 0,85. But Syria is not Ashuluk. And the Americans are by no means fools. Therefore, I do not believe that Buki hit 29 targets in 24 launches.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS April 16 2018 22: 35
          +2
          Quote: rruvim
          Therefore, I do not believe that Beeches in from 29 launches hit 24 targets.

          Somehow, in the report, the moment of participation of Krasukh was left out of the brackets ... and I am more than sure that it could not have done without them, and apparently this factor turned out from here.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker April 16 2018 22: 52
            +2
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: rruvim
            Therefore, I do not believe that Beeches in from 29 launches hit 24 targets.
            Somehow, in the report, the moment of participation of Krasukh was left out of the brackets ... and I am more than sure that it could not have done without them, and apparently this factor turned out from here.

            In addition to using the electronic warfare complex, the main point was the use of system integration of high-performance automated control systems (ACS) with the Baikal-1ME and Polyana-D4М1 anti-aircraft missile brigades, as well as the unified battery command post (UBKP) 9С737М Ran. The A-50 also hung in the air as a source of radar information, together with the high-altitude 96L6 detectors attached to the C-400 Triumph complexes.
            As a result, each launcher had a full range of target designations, which allowed the use of all air defense systems to the maximum.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS April 16 2018 22: 54
              +2
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Also in the air hung A-50

              Today I already spoke about the A-50U, which was flying around these areas several hours before the strike, not the last to grow in this story. hi
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker April 16 2018 22: 58
                +3
                Quote: NEXUS
                I already said today

                Hi Andrew!
                hi
                In fact, ideal conditions were created when not each installation and system itself worked, but the whole system, when target data were collected by all means, centrally processed and transferred to launchers.
                Almost polygon conditions. Hence, such SUCCESS, in which, well, very many do not want to believe ..... good
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS April 16 2018 23: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  Hi Andrew!

                  Welcome hi
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  Hence, such SUCCESS, in which, well, very many do not want to believe .....

                  So far this is not success, and I will explain why ... it was felt the cover of strategically important areas for security. Here and the overlap of the radii of our air defense systems, the operation of electronic warfare, the speed of receiving information and its processing, etc. ... in general, I think there should be listening "stethoscope" where in this defense gaps ...
                  I am convinced that there will be a second missile strike and perhaps much more dense. That is why indirectly confirming my guesses, C-300 is urgently flown to Syria in order to close these gaps that mattresses felt for.
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker April 16 2018 23: 14
                    +3
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    I am convinced that there will be a second missile strike and perhaps much more dense. That is why indirectly confirming my guesses, C-300 is urgently flown to Syria in order to close these gaps that mattresses felt for.

                    I think so. Although this will require another provocation .....
                    And the blow will be more serious, and the carriers will be for 500 ....
            2. rruvim
              rruvim April 17 2018 00: 22
              +2
              Well, here you posted the entire line of ACS. And to the place and out of place. Can you tell me how the exchange of information occurs between complexes and ACS? More about the high-altitude detector. What mountain were they dragging him to? And why do you confuse our air defense in Latakia with SAR air defense in general near Damascus and to the south. Hang a card opposite the computer!
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker April 17 2018 17: 12
                0
                Quote: rruvim
                And why do you confuse our air defense in Latakia with the air defense of the SAR near Damascus and to the south.

                If you had at least the slightest idea about GPS or Glonass, then you did not ask stupid questions. It was the reduction into a single IS of air defense of the Russian Federation and Syria that made it possible to exchange information. Otherwise, there would be a repetition of 1982.
          2. rruvim
            rruvim April 16 2018 22: 58
            +4
            Here the second third of the losses of the Tomahawks is also possible. A lot of photos in Arab networks about funnels in the "clean field". Although the old AGMs have an inertial guidance system, but in the final section GPS is still.
  23. yaros
    yaros April 16 2018 21: 46
    +4
    Quote: shura7782
    And in Afghanistan I was convinced of the opposite.

    I served during the Afghan war and monitored the Strategic Forces of the enemy, and I know what the desa from the enemy is ... sorry, but the deza from our GRU was fraught with a nuclear apocalypse, so all the facts were repeatedly checked from different sources ....
    1. rruvim
      rruvim April 16 2018 22: 14
      +4
      The first disinformation: If we do not intervene (do not enter) in Afghanistan, then the Americans will enter there. Was it checked?
      The second disa: China and the Arab countries will support us. if we enter Afghanistan. Was it checked?
      Third Des: The whole population will be for us. But the GRU MO didn’t check it either ...
      Fourth Desa: No country, nor Pakistan, nor Iran, nor China, Egypt, nor the Saudis will supply weapons to the Afghan Mujahideen. And America is by no means a means of air defense (Stingers). Rechecked these facts GRU MO from various sources?
  24. ADT
    ADT April 16 2018 22: 09
    +4
    Most of all, in all this rosy happiness, it is annoying that B1-B entered the coverage area, not bombs were dropped, but bombs. This was even stated by the Russian Defense Ministry. I don’t understand why no one pays attention to it. If we were so easily attacking small and low-flying missiles, complexes that are designed for other, great heights, then why didn’t it hit a large target like B1, which seemed to fly at echelons that were convenient for pilots?
    1. rruvim
      rruvim April 16 2018 22: 49
      +3
      As far as they know, they came from the side of the Red Sea. And there are not just bombs, but "planning ammunition", real missiles. And in the south of Syria there is no "terrestrial" air defense. And all the Air Force ATS ahead of time relocated to Latakia. Maybe it was a mistake. It was still necessary to bring down the media. And not only the Amerovskys, but also the IDF air force.
      1. ADT
        ADT April 16 2018 23: 02
        +2
        Dzhekhal there, too, say they bombed, and they say they were not even recorded. So do not strain in vain on them.
        And we are using these planning ones here, including American ones. Fly about 100 km. .A S-200 where as further hits. To Tomug, the goal of the bomber is in one place, and air defense systems can be located in another, somewhere along the way. Everyone was warned that the show would be, well, they seemed to be poorly prepared for viewing.
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r April 16 2018 23: 53
          +3
          Of course bombed - by invisible missiles from invisible planes, into inflammation of the brain hi
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 16 2018 22: 59
      +1
      Or maybe B 1B did not drop bombs - but AGM 158ER missiles.
    3. Lucy
      Lucy April 16 2018 23: 06
      0
      Please drop the lazy bombing link.
      1. ADT
        ADT April 17 2018 18: 40
        0
        http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/198067/?utm_sour
        ce = warfiles.ru
        In addition, I saw on YouTube one of the MO briefings, it also spoke about GBU 38 with B1B. In fact, these are old MK 82, weighing somewhere under 200 kg. , a control unit is installed on them, making them highly accurate. Often used in Afghanistan against barmaley, where of course there is no air defense, but you need to get in and not hurt your own, quickly and inexpensively. These controlled blanks do not fly far. Somewhere here gave a figure of about 100 km. , took with obvious overstatement.
        1. ADT
          ADT April 17 2018 19: 59
          0
          This is where the bomb briefing says.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6EX1dbLfBY
  25. G A_2
    G A_2 April 16 2018 22: 15
    +2
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: cniza
    They will be happy to thank the United States and the hedgehog with them.

    Well, here at VO, the Israelis were proving that they had learned to work against the S-300 ... so let’s see.

    They won’t even let them deploy
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 16 2018 22: 24
      +4
      Quote: G A_2
      They won’t even let them deploy

      Che seriously? Oh well...
  26. yaros
    yaros April 16 2018 22: 16
    +2
    Quote: ADT
    Most of all, in all this pink-and-white happiness

    Do not talk nonsense, what do you think your air defense did not track all the goals, one thing the military has is infa, the other is what kind of noodles do your media feed you if our Defense Ministry lied, how long would there be a howl in all the media .... Yes and except you have someone there to count rockets ..... and our air defense systems will buy ....
    1. ADT
      ADT April 16 2018 22: 34
      +3
      Yes, calm down, let them buy, these are their problems. But she is interested in the purely technical part of the topic, the question is simple and logical - for the S-200, and even the S-75, the B1-B target is much more convenient than a small and low-flying tomahawk. Why are more difficult targets packed like sparrows, and a lighter, more expensive, dangerous and attractive one (there the crew would have been reset), calmly flew and threw?
      1. rruvim
        rruvim April 16 2018 23: 10
        +2
        Long away. Vega is a stationary complex deployed closer to Israel. The recorded target defeat at the 200th 270 km. at an altitude of 3500 m (it was a record).
        75th maximum 25x20 km. Even the suburbs of Damascus are not able to protect. And B1-B released GBU-38 with 30 km. on the Syrian airfield. And then, according to Konashenkov, they were all shot down, most likely by the "Shell-s" complex from the "forty" list. Almost 200 km from the nearest S-450 complex.
  27. Lucy
    Lucy April 16 2018 22: 17
    0
    Quote: yaros
    during Afghanistan, and followed the strategic forces of the enemy

    Why did they monitor strategic forces in Amin’s palace?
  28. yaros
    yaros April 16 2018 22: 19
    +2
    Quote: lusya
    Why did they monitor strategic forces in Amin’s palace?

    Is it ok with the Russians ?, and here Amin’s palace, I chewed served during the Afghan conflict, urgent 84-87 EQUIPMENT OF GRU MO, specifically on the database
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 16 2018 22: 42
      +2
      Quote: yaros
      where does Amin’s palace

      She apparently confused the GRU special forces with the special KGB units Zenit and Thunder ... hi
      1. Lucy
        Lucy April 16 2018 23: 30
        0
        No, the private in the DRA sat and listened to the broadcast, and confused his thinking with strategic thinking. At least I didn’t write about goestratigic cutting.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS April 16 2018 23: 34
          +2
          Quote: lusya
          No, the private in DRA sat and listened to the broadcast

          I mean, the KGB special forces, and not the GRU, took part in the storming of Amin’s palace ... well, how a person thinks ... you know, the main ability to analyze is to analyze, draw the right conclusions and determine the development of events on the basis of these very conclusions and analysis. hi
          1. Lucy
            Lucy April 16 2018 23: 56
            0
            And I mean, in the palace was the headquarters of 40 OA of the TurkMO, since it came to a specialist who was thinking strategically, and worked with a direction finder, or just sat at frequencies on a wiretap. In short - some show off about the database. Interestingly, what did he write to his mother in the USSR?
    2. Lucy
      Lucy April 16 2018 22: 50
      0
      Thanks to ordinary OSNAZ sergeant for clarifying his strategic thinking. And I thought you were a translator after graduation, as you write in your comments about the university, in another topic. Wow, but specifically on the database, I suppose from loshkarevki? Well, if you are an conscript then the question of the palace is canceled, continue in the same vein.
  29. yaros
    yaros April 16 2018 22: 26
    +1
    Quote: rruvim
    But the GRU MO didn’t check it either.

    Lord don't talk nonsense if you don't know
    1. rruvim
      rruvim April 17 2018 00: 31
      0
      And what did the GRU MO check and report “that they won’t be especially welcome there?”
  30. Terenin
    Terenin April 16 2018 22: 28
    +5
    ... despite statements by US officials, the targets of missile attacks on Syria ... No one noticed the main thing? We are not talking about the territory of Russia, as in the late 90s. And if anyone there was deceiving with the Anglo-Saxons, it’s right! It is high time!
  31. yaros
    yaros April 16 2018 22: 32
    +2
    Quote: rruvim
    We will be supported by China and the Arab countries. if we enter Afghanistan. Was it checked?

    At least you would have taught history ... otherwise it’s kind of awkward, in what relations we were then with China and Arab countries, what kind of fit in, what kind of nonsense .....
    1. rruvim
      rruvim April 17 2018 00: 35
      +1
      China has already survived the cultural revolution. And in 1979, we armed Iraq with France to annoy Ayatollah.
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 01: 28
        0
        in 1979 there was still a check, which the Americans pumped up weapons
        The Ayatollah was then blinded by Iraqi hands for the same Americans for their independent policy, the seizure of the embassy and the nationalization of the oil industry, by the way it was a direct violation by the Americans, British and Germans of the WMD Non-Proliferation Treaty, but the UN and the OPCW did it ... from there it’s Western XO dispersed to other Arab countries, the USSR had nothing to do with it.
        1. rruvim
          rruvim April 17 2018 01: 50
          0
          But if one month of 1979 fell on Shah, then okay. But on February 1, the Islamic Revolution triumphed. On December 25, 1979, we introduced the first units to Afghanistan. And six months later, in September 1980, the invasion of Iraq into Iran began. Everything is interconnected...
          1. YELLOWSTONE
            YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 01: 56
            0
            and the capture of American hostages took place only on November 4
            the connection here is only in the fact that then the USA also infuriated the Iraqis with punishing the Kuwaitis, as before the Iranians, and the second time it turned out to be a setup.
            1. rruvim
              rruvim April 17 2018 02: 19
              0
              I’m saying that the comrade above, who served in the GRU of the Moscow Region, claimed that they always told the truth to the Top leadership. And as a result, I had to go down to the discussion: whether it was necessary to send troops into Afghanistan at the dawn of 1979.
              1. YELLOWSTONE
                YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 02: 47
                0
                they were telling the truth, the chief KGB officer who deceived the right to transfer information to the government was deceiving, it was not necessary to send troops into Afghanistan, or rather, to create a "revolutionary situation" in the USSR, there were articles on this site on this site
  32. yaros
    yaros April 16 2018 22: 40
    +4
    Quote: ADT
    target B1-B, much more convenient than small and low flying tomahawk

    The answer is simpler: B-1 was bombed not with bombs, but with the latest missiles, from the distance of which the c-200 couldn’t reach, when your F-16 recently flew in, it was shot down there with the S-200
    1. Alexander War
      Alexander War April 16 2018 22: 55
      +1
      They forgot laughing , we are waiting from the Israeli Air Force for months that the photo and video of the F-35 which the bird sent for a long repair!
      1. ADT
        ADT April 16 2018 23: 18
        0
        I think they burned him, and buried the ashes, for secrecy. All witnesses to this shame, including pilots, and representatives of the seller company were eliminated nafig. Well, you are aware of the ruthlessness of Zionism. This is the first version.
        The second - we are looking for a legged sax bomb for this photo. And then what is the presentation of technology today without beautiful girls. You’re at auto shows, I guess they’ve seen.
    2. ADT
      ADT April 16 2018 23: 12
      +1
      No, that's what they bombed, GBU -38 was used (according to the statement of the Russian Ministry of Defense.)
      And I think the Israeli was shot down with a beech and not with-200, the two-hundredths as land-to-land were simply thrown into our territory, fortunately, they fell into the sea, flying over this over a civilian airport. They were not deliberately put to self-liquidation.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim April 17 2018 02: 08
        +3
        I also think that Bukom. And then, most likely, they hit, yet the crew got to their own. And the S-200 is imprisoned for large objects: bombers of the B-52 type, transports, AWACS planes, fueling vehicles. They are not suitable for shunting types F-15 and F-16. I am in my youth at the S-200V complex. To Israel "at hand" ... winked
        1. ADT
          ADT April 17 2018 05: 37
          +2
          Good photo, historical. I worked with many who served here as advisers and technical staff. And recently, for example, in Israel, gathered a company of 10 people. Five men and a wife. Two couples are not young, the rest are children of thirty years old. We sit, admire the sea, yachts, on the table a bunch of bottles. When they drank enough, the conversation went about the service. One in the inner circle, from barrett 12.7, beats when terrorists are caught, the other in recent operations like cast lead has stuck in different stories, a thin, pretty girl asks that this boring topic about wars be tied up. They asked her husband that she doesn’t give us a talk, it turns out that two bullets hit her body armor, to the very edge, closer to her neck, she does not like to remember this pain. And the one who was sitting next to me says: “I'm sorry, men, but I fought against you, it turns out that I was also an adviser somewhere in Egypt. I poured one more, and the merry chatter went on. Netanya, the sea, yachts, the setting sun, and this gathering. Israel! I am bastard from his absurdities.!
  33. Operator
    Operator April 16 2018 22: 45
    +2
    The Washington Post - US President Donald Trump has postponed the introduction of new sanctions against Russia.

    That's what life-giving air defense does laughing
  34. Alexander War
    Alexander War April 16 2018 22: 50
    +1
    The Israelites again blows farts laughing Let's be objective, the Israelis urgently provide a video launch of tomahawks from the destroyers and the US submarine and launches from the B-1B with geolocation and images with the RQ-4 Global Hawk and Boeing E-3 Sentry
    1. abvgdeika
      abvgdeika April 17 2018 00: 23
      +1
      Alexander relax, lie everything - politics however hi
  35. ADT
    ADT April 16 2018 22: 51
    +2
    Well, someone will explain! Why didn’t they touch the B1B, it carries tens of tons, unlike hundreds of kilo tomahawks, one is more dangerous than hundreds of rackets, and at a price like a thousand. And with all its invisibility, it glows better than an ax and flies higher. For such miraculous complexes as S-200, and S-75, a dream and not a target. But they did not get into trouble. Chavgo suddenly, out of modesty? So were you busy with small axes? Are the operators drunk? Did the radars fail? Does anyone with high intelligence explain?
    1. yaros
      yaros April 16 2018 22: 55
      +3
      Duc already explained above, but why it does not reach you, I find it difficult to explain .... belay
      1. ADT
        ADT April 16 2018 23: 15
        +2
        So I answered the explanation above. In general, the explanation does not explain this riddle to me. Moreover, besides air defense missiles, air defense fighter jets also exist, what hindered? The goal is sweetie and not the goal!
        1. the lord
          the lord April 17 2018 05: 59
          +1
          Duck Schaub fools you once again try to provoke. This is when you all come up with a common hammer on the bombers with an "even bigger blow." And they will begin to beautifully carve you. Get ready for vigorous fart)))
      2. ADT
        ADT April 17 2018 18: 47
        0
        Sorry, your answer just noticed. Reacted to someone else's answer.
  36. yaros
    yaros April 16 2018 22: 53
    +2
    Quote: NEXUS
    She apparently confused the GRU special forces with the special KGB units Zenit and Thunder ...

    She just does not know the difference between special forces and equipment .....
  37. Alexander War
    Alexander War April 16 2018 22: 58
    +2
    The reaction of Alex Jones to a missile strike on Syria! No comment smile
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 17 2018 00: 04
      +2
      Quote: Alexander War
      The reaction of Alex Jones to a missile strike on Syria! No comment

      You can’t say better. Of course, not as colorful as my ensign could use the great and mighty, but the essence is conveyed correctly. laughing
  38. yaros
    yaros April 16 2018 23: 03
    +3
    Quote: lusya
    Well, if you are an conscript then the question of the palace is canceled

    Girl, you were off topic at the time, military conscripts, and you received the information directly from the air, and many colonels in regards knew less than the soldiers behind the posts, because it was we who provided them with information, so moderate your sarcasm ... We have com I didn’t even know parts of English, like many colonels ....
    1. Lucy
      Lucy April 16 2018 23: 18
      0
      So I did not understand the abbreviation correctly DB . DB - fighting, al battles. duty?
      How interesting " Old received specifically from the ether,"What are you talking about? Who is ether, is it gas?
  39. yaros
    yaros April 16 2018 23: 16
    +2
    Quote: ADT
    And I think the Israeli was shot down by a beech rather than the S-200

    See today's press conference of the Moscow Region there they clearly said what they shot down "the plane of the neighboring state"
    1. ADT
      ADT April 17 2018 18: 50
      0
      In this case, I do not believe either your MO or ours. In general, the story is confused with this plane, and if you look into it, then at least start a big war.
  40. segamegament
    segamegament April 16 2018 23: 23
    +1
    For that, iksperdy in a telegram under sonorous and untwisted nicknames suck at the Russian Defense Ministry and the SAR in balabolism and pozreatizma, but they themselves fell into a derma with a snout!
  41. yaros
    yaros April 16 2018 23: 24
    +2
    Quote: lusya
    DB - fighting, al battles. duty?

    The military alert duty could understand for yourself, the rest you know I will not comment .... so there are too many myths about our troops
    1. Lucy
      Lucy April 17 2018 00: 01
      0
      So what happened after triangulation, no longer in your troops?
  42. Mestny
    Mestny April 16 2018 23: 50
    -1
    Quote: yaros
    The regulars of VO, on the contrary, believe everything the enemy says, although there is a clear disinformation, if you think about it .... and they don’t believe our MO’s words ..... Something has changed in 30 years, or local analysts with critical thinking really have problems , am

    Well, the "overlooked" in the overwhelming majority are not regulars, but a crowd of specially running trolls.
    And as usual, the opinion of site visitors. even if the popular one does not have the necessary weight.
    In this case, the traditional mistake works - for those who discuss the same problem in a narrow circle, it seems that everyone around is doing the same. One gets the impression that almost the entire population of Russia is worried about how many missiles were shot down in Syria. and how, and whether there are photos of the shot down.
    And the majority of the population - just do not care. even just not everyone has the Internet. And most have it for other news.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim April 17 2018 00: 27
      +1
      If you don't like it, there are forums for other news. About cats for example. And we are wondering: "Shot down or not shot down." "To each his own" - it was written at the gates of Auschwitz.
      1. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin April 17 2018 05: 56
        0
        The inscription Arbeit Macht Frei in Auschwitz, with an inverted “B” - Work free
        1. rruvim
          rruvim April 17 2018 11: 29
          0
          But then he confused the concentration camp.
  43. yaros
    yaros April 16 2018 23: 58
    +1
    Quote: Mestny
    And the majority of the population - just do not care.

    Yes, I agree with you, it is simply incomprehensible that there are facts and their interpretation is opposite, well, is it really impossible to understand that 30 missiles in one building are not fired, at least for economic reasons, the steam to overcome the air defense of the steam to the object itself is maximal .... simple ordinary logic ...
    We once feared these CRs, at the beginning of their history there were 20 pieces on the B-52, and with the Ya ... I’m not a Pvoshnik but I knew that it was very difficult to hit such a missile then .... now 30 pieces on one building, what are they afraid of from ordinary bombs and that’s more harm .... in general, much is not clear here, the first thing is always to press air defense, but here some Russian roulette will not reach? It feels like the Pentagon’s brains were better before ..... Now the main goal is to show a picture on Twitter
  44. MadCat
    MadCat April 17 2018 00: 06
    +2
    Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: the United States is cunning - airfields were also among the targets for the Kyrgyz Republic

    The press service of the Russian Federation finally got rid of after sober, immediately victory was flooded. Well done! laughing
    It’s just not clear what will happen if the US Defense Ministry listens and bombed at these wonderful airfields .... belay
    1. abvgdeika
      abvgdeika April 17 2018 00: 38
      0
      Miraculous airfields - wonderful rockets ....
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 01: 41
        0
        the USA and NATO have more airfields and ships; such an exchange is not beneficial for them
    2. the lord
      the lord April 17 2018 06: 04
      +1
      How?! Isho time? !!! What kind of masochist should be, Schaub the second time so goof off? After the second such disgrace and impeachment, the Mona thunders. Or the purpose of your high ... comment is this?
  45. abvgdeika
    abvgdeika April 17 2018 00: 31
    0
    NATO soldiers should put an end to this pointless dispute soldier
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 01: 45
      +1
      and the Jews will, as always, sit and watch
      something you shove them into all holes from Syria to North Korea, as if then they themselves wouldn’t have to immediately rush from Iraq and Afghanistan, and at the same time from South away
    2. the lord
      the lord April 17 2018 06: 05
      0
      And why will they again bother and put this poor fellow-fat Katz somewhere?
  46. yaros
    yaros April 17 2018 00: 34
    +2
    Quote: lusya
    So what happened after triangulation, no longer in your troops?

    Want to boast of knowledge? It's funny ... what people write about triangulation on the network is true for 10 percent of the rest speculation, believe me, I dug up a lot of resources, where I dug up the young talents to the truth, I will tell you these parts that are acting, so I don’t see reason to ... By the way in this thread is offtopic so stop ...
  47. yaros
    yaros April 17 2018 00: 37
    +2
    Quote: abvgdeika
    NATO soldiers should put an end to this pointless dispute

    Yes, I generally goof off with your war and NATO .. ​​only full idiots in advance declare war on Twitter, so that the enemy prepares in advance ... and then the results are poured on Twitter
    1. abvgdeika
      abvgdeika April 17 2018 00: 43
      0
      Yes, just no one wanted to die.
      I think many breathed a sigh of relief good
    2. MadCat
      MadCat April 17 2018 01: 10
      0
      Quote: yaros
      so that the enemy prepares in advance ...

      not to get ready, but for the Russians to die, I had to improvise.
  48. Lucy
    Lucy April 17 2018 00: 38
    +1
    Quote: rruvim
    I'm afraid that the TU-22 will arrive already on the ashes


    If they arrive, then only as representatives of YES. In the BP course there are no exercises launching the KR in the MC (mobile), on the Tu-22M3 PNA is installed. The PNA has a maximum scale of 500 km, then the indicator ends, this is due to the absence of X-32 in the troops. MA in Russia has long been gone. First train the crews, and this is not done quickly!
    This is if you are going to strike at NK (carriers) in the medium. the sea, where there will already be AUG, sort of pieces of 3 aircraft carriers that will go to the western part of the medium. sea, and even under the coastline of ground-based air defense, including IA. And they will let the KR. One Ticonderoga can be charged under 100 pieces of CR, this is not our zilch for you. To calculate the outfit of forces from Tu-22M3 to break through air defense (deck IA) and inflict damage to NKs, you need to study at specialized universities. Therefore, you throw these theories, including with the Putin dagger on the MiG-31, and Turkey will not need such a pain in the neck.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim April 17 2018 01: 04
      0
      By the way, I fully support you. In Soviet times, it was believed, then there were no Aegis that 40 TU-k with X-22 would be needed to break through (destroy) the AUG. And we have only forty of them in the whole country. repeat
  49. yaros
    yaros April 17 2018 00: 42
    +2
    Quote: lusya
    need to study in specialized universities.

    Didn’t you have been taught in specialized universities that if you make a hole on the runway on the deck of an aircraft carrier, then it turns into an ordinary barge, you don’t even need to drown it ....
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 17 2018 01: 49
      0
      they are there specifically because of this, they were taught to get on board
    2. Lucy
      Lucy April 17 2018 07: 29
      0
      Alexander, I’m not a gas welder. You can ask each other ad infinitum. Have you seen the photo attached to the report OK, with a hole in the grid after getting a CD? This is about making a hole in deck.
      Aircraft carrier and so a barge for takeoff and landing. I wrote above about the definitions, in particular, "disable". After how many days, or months, the Americans will bring the aircraft carrier into operation, and for what damage I do not know, because the equipment of the aircraft carrier of the 2nd World War (with Japan) differs from the modern one. But for a guaranteed failure with P = 0,7, you need to hit 2-4 CR, to destroy up to 9 CR X-22.
  50. yaros
    yaros April 17 2018 00: 46
    +1
    Quote: lusya
    One Ticonderoga can be charged for 100 pieces

    Well, what now was 100 KR, but to the point ...? The more bullets the less left, bullets must be wisely, and not like the last time .... well, it’s not at all scary.
    1. Lucy
      Lucy April 17 2018 07: 42
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      It seems that somewhere near RU they served. They have everything wisely for a long time. Including at the expanded post of moral and psychological support. To achieve certain goals, the Americans, through the means and forces of all kinds of intelligence, first opened and then assessed the situation starting from the space one, ending with the reprimand of the household owner. SAR army platoon. And then they counted and made a decision. Children bullet, and the last wife of the priest. Of course, it’s not scary to sit in headphones and listen to non-encrypted communications. But when when you enter the BC for you, the charger works with a caliber of 20 mm, or the STR squeals, then the state of the ZPO is different from lying on the couch.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim April 18 2018 00: 05
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        They have nothing with "Mind." Big problem with updating data. By and large, in order to bring the "ax" to the target, you need a "bunch" of coordination and coordination. The process becomes a bureaucratic procedure. Launch codes are transmitted within 24 hours ... Or maybe more ... They are known to us. To hide, more or less Kungi stations, enough time.