This year Russia will deliver more Mi-16M helicopters to Azerbaijan

Defence.az The Russian company Rosvertol plans to complete delivery of the ordered Mi-35М helicopters to Azerbaijan this year.

According to Defence.az with reference to the Russian media, at present the production and testing of other helicopters continues at the company's plant in Rostov-on-Don. After that, the helicopters will be delivered to Azerbaijan.

According to the information from the site "Russianplanes", on April X, the pilots of the Rosvertol company launched test flights of the Mi-26M helicopters ordered by Azerbaijan.

Note that the delivery of Mi-35 helicopters began in December 2011. 8 from 24 ordered helicopters have already been delivered to Azerbaijan and put into service. It also provides for the phased delivery of the remaining 16 helicopters to Azerbaijan.

The helicopter has night vision devices, a thermal imaging observation system of the model IRTV-445MGH, which makes it possible to detect and recognize objects around the clock more than 4 km. The helicopter also received a GPS115L GARMIN satellite navigation system with a VPS-200 interface unit, which provides for determining the current coordinates of the helicopter. The helicopter has: guided anti-tank missiles Sturm-B - 8 9М114 missiles with a cumulative warhead, unguided C-8 missiles of 80 mm and C-24 caliber 240 mm, 9-А-629 missiles of 12,7 caliber mm 2 9 machine gun 622-A-7,62 caliber 9 mm; 800-A-30 caliber 50 mm, bombs weighing from 500 to XNUMX kg.

Comments

[tronin.maxim]

Well done Azerbaijan! He knows where to buy good equipment at an affordable price!

[Hleb]

Well done Azerbaijan! Knows what methods to achieve "acceptable price"

[Azeri2012]

Quote: Gleb

Well done Azerbaijan! Knows what methods to achieve "acceptable price"

envy our sheep and radar?

[apro]

The Aryans will win, we will serve the Azerbaijanis. The Azerbaijanis will win, we will sell the Arams. The main thing is that they have ceased to find out who is most important on a piece of rock.

[Kangarli]

Over the past 20 years, you have not sold anything to them, but simply donate obsolete equipment for free. Maybe sometimes you sell on credit and then knowing that they have nothing to pay. All this will lose a good buyer. And we will always find where to buy high-quality equipment.

[phantom359]

Kangarli,
This is where you found a good technique - in Israel? So I'll tell you that it is no better than ours, Slavic. The Americans have good equipment, but there are too many show-offs, such as invincible, although it is perfectly destroyed by outdated Soviet complexes and the prices for it are hyper-advanced, clearly not meeting the price-quality criterion. And also an Azeri, since when did you become friends of Jews? And where will you get the money for the purchase of weapons? Your zem in my country say the same thing, that in sunny Azerbaijan everything is not so beautiful as you are trying to portray. If you can find - search and buy, and do not take "outdated" equipment. First, test the performance characteristics of the car, and then issue a verdict. Blackhawk did not justify itself from the Americans in Afghanistan, they take the "outdated" Mi8. Although Blackhawk, too, is far from new and not a miracle of engineering.

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: phantom359

This is where you found a good technique - in Israel? So I’ll tell you that she is not better than ours, Slavic

Technique is technology, someone has one better, someone else ...

Quote: phantom359

And also an Azerbaijani, since when did you become friends of the Jews?

We always had a good relationship.

Quote: phantom359

And where do you get the money to buy weapons?

the sum of the last contract with the Jews - 1,6 billion. So there is where to get

Quote: phantom359

Your lands in my country say the same thing that you, in sunny Azerbaijan, are not so beautiful as you are trying to portray.

Our state is richer than the people, I understand - it sounds like a pun. There is a lot of money, but they do not squander on social programs.

Quote: phantom359

If you can find - search and buy, and do not take "outdated" equipment. First, test the performance characteristics of the car, and then issue a verdict.

Our Ministry of Defense has not yet given rise to doubt their competence in arms procurement.

[PIDR MODERATOR]

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PIIIIIDDRRR SITE MODERATOR!

[Kangarli]

phantom359

1) Where did I write that the Jews are our friends?

2) Where did I write that American technology is better than yours?

3) Where did I write that we are buying obsolete equipment?

4) For those uninformed like you. America and Western Europe do not sell us weapons.

5)

And where do you get the money to buy weapons?

Azerbaijan comes first in military expenditures (% of GDP). Have you ever thought before writing if there is no money then how was the contract with Israel signed?

6) Turkey, Pakistan, Israel, Ukraine, Belarus, South Africa, Jordan, China we have where to buy weapons you do not worry about this.

[phantom359]

Kangarli,
Yes, all your comment is saturated with all five points, the most informed. And yet, warrior, learn the materiel. As for weapons - I do not like it, so do not eat.

[Azeri2012]

Quote: phantom359

since when did you become friends of the Jews?

Ever since mountain Jews began to live in Azerbaijan.
ever since a thousand Jews emigrated from Azerbaijan.
Since that time, as immigrants from Azerbaijan began to appear in Xnet (the parliament of Israel)

and so on.

[phantom359]

Azeri2012,
To go nuts, that's what you bent. I know that Azerbaijanis are vigilant against a strong enemy, but it didn’t reach the point of becoming friends. But what about jihad. ))))))))))

[mnb2012]

Quote: phantom359

Azeri2012,
To go nuts, that's what you bent. I know that Azerbaijanis are vigilant against a strong enemy, but it didn’t reach the point of becoming friends. But what about jihad. ))))))))))

The moles from GUAM are not responding. Didn't you know?

[Bozkurt]

phantom359
And that the Russian Federation does not buy weapons from Israel? Well, apparently you are not well informed, and Ukraine is not averse to buying Tavor machines !!! And who counts the enemy, I remember the first Chechen and the committee of soldiers' mothers !!!

[General]

This is where you found a good technique - in Israel?

Well, certainly not in Ukraine, new technologies are developed, Israel is a superpower, has a good military-industrial complex, technologies that have no analogues in the world, missiles, mortars, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, in a word, from and to. But buying weapons is not a problem. The most important thing is that there is money, we’ll buy from Turkey, Israel, Korea, Pakistan, Ukraine (used of course), so do not write stupid phantom

[PIDR MODERATOR]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS W * P * O * D ​​WHICH BANES MY LOGIN HERE IS CONSTANT, BUT THIS U-R-O-D VERY REASON THAT BANES ME FOR NO CAUSE. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT I HAVE TO HELP YOU BUILT IN YOU? So that you know what you cleaned up after me? YOU ARE FASCIST OF FEATS, YOU DO NOT HAVE A GRAM OF RESPECT FOR UUURRROOOODDD. YOU ARE ** KILLING ME. YOU UUURRROOOODDDD DO NOT BANGE THE ARMENIANS AND THOSE WHO INSURES THE AZERBAIJAN PEOPLE, BUT THE AZERBAIJANI USERS AT THE SAME BANISH? I AM YOUR CARDABALET ON THE MOST NIGHT. TOMORROW FROM MORNING TO EVENING WILL BE CLEARING ALL WORDS WHICH I AM ADDRESSING TO YOU. BECAUSE REQUIRES RESPECT FOR YOURSELF? FOR WHAT? FOR YOUR FASCIST RELATIONSHIP TO MY NATION? MODERATOR, YOU'RE FINISHED AT * P * O * D. NOW I WILL SHOW YOU HOW I WILL HAVE YOU !!! S * U * K * A DRESSED. FASCIST. IF YOU DO NOT RELAX, I WILL GO INTO MORE ONCE .... DO NOT MAKE ME TO DO SO ON THE MAIN PAGE OF THE AZERBAIJANI FLAG WISE, WITH THE WORDS OF THE MODERATOR OF THIS SAYDOORUDU. OR YOU AS A MAN WILL MODERATE A SITE, OR I WILL MAKE YOU A LONG TURN OUT. FASCIST. YOU ARE NOT A MALE ONCE BANED FOR NO REASON. YOU'RE THE END OF TVAAAARR, AS A SUBSIDIARY OCCASION THE LAST BANISH OF USERS FROM AZERBAIJAN ..... YOU ARE PAAADDDLLAAAAA AND ALL THE PAAADDDLOOOOY WILL STAY. DON'T GIVE GOD, TAKEN MY PROFILE ONCE AGAIN, I WILL MAKE A HELP FROM THIS SITEAAA.
YOU WILL NEED THE HOURS TO CLEAN ALL POSTS. OR MODERATE AS A PERSON AND NOT SOMETHING, OR GO ON KUI AND LET NORMAL PEOPLE MODERATE.

PIIIIIDDRRR SITE MODERATOR!

[phantom359]

General,
Yes, I do not argue, they have good examples. I meant something else, that the Mi-35 should not be called old. The car is not new, but very successful, for the conditions of Azerbaijan it is quite suitable in all respects. And yet, Israel will not sell anything, just for money. There is more to lose than find. Recently we were friends with Iran against Iraq, and now we are not against driving the "friends" into the Stone Age.

[Bozkurt]

phantom359

We didn’t seem to be friends with Iran, and even against Iraq, something is closing !!!

[AAA3337]

This story began in 2006, when Kazakhstan, led by then-Deputy Minister of Defense of the country, Lieutenant General Kazhimurat Maermanov, signed an agreement with Israeli companies IMI (TAAS) and Soltam Systems to acquire the Niza multiple launch rocket system ”, And modernization of the artillery systems“ Aybat ”and“ Semser ”. Also, military agreements were signed with two other Israeli companies - Aeronautics Defense Systems and Elbit Systems. The Israeli side was represented by Boris Scheinkman. The contract provided for the import of Israeli technology into Kazakhstan and the organization of joint production in the factories of the Kazakhstan company Kazakhstan Engineering, however, provided that third countries can purchase equipment produced in Kazakhstan only in Israel (1). In various sources, these Kazakh-Israeli contracts were estimated at approximately $ 190-300 million (1) (2).

In particular, the production of Niza multiple launch rocket systems was launched at the Petropavlovsk Heavy Engineering Plant, which was one of the giants of the Soviet military industry and at one time produced military vehicles for the Osa and Tochka-U complexes. The plant was supposed to produce Nise combat vehicles, transport-loading and command vehicles. The first models were ready in 2008 (3).

Kazakhs were encouraged by this project. They expected that on the one hand, they would begin to develop a military-industrial complex, on the other hand, the Kazakh army would receive ultra-modern weapons, which would be integrated into a single information-management system. In particular, for this purpose, Orbiter UAVs were purchased from Israel, and Soltam and Elbit Systems developed automatic control systems (2). All these achievements were demonstrated to President Nursultan Nazarbayev in May 2008 (2), which was also attended by Minister of Defense of Kazakhstan Ismail Iskakov and Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan Safar Abiyev (4).

In one of his interviews, the head of the department of armament and support of military equipment of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, Colonel Amanty Dzhutabaev also noted the possibility of interaction between the Tochka-U and Naiz systems (5). He also reported some details about the use of drones, noting that each division of the Nyza, Semser, Aybat systems should have an unmanned aerial vehicle in its composition, which will show the calculation of the division throughout the battle (6).

In addition, there were also good prospects for exporting these systems. As we have already noted, in May 2008 (to be more precise, May 7), the results of Kazakh-Israeli cooperation were shown to the defense ministers of Azerbaijan and Kyrgyzstan. In addition to Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan also showed interest in systems (7). According to the aforementioned Dzhutabaev, exports to other countries of the former USSR were also expected (8).

However, the Kazakh enthusiasm did not last long. Soon, information began to appear in the Kazakh press that all these Kazakh-Israeli projects had serious problems. In particular, by the end of 2008, Kazakh experts said that the use of Nise systems was unsafe for the crew, since the jet stream from missiles often gets into a combat vehicle or into the cabin, where people are at that time, and, for example, the bottom Aibat installations were deformed after firing (1). Kenzhebulat Beknazarov, a spokesman for the National Security Committee, said that 80% of the installations failed after several volleys (9). There were complaints about UAVs acquired in Israel, which, according to unofficial data, turned out to be outdated (2).

At the same time, although the press reports contained a number of errors, one can be sure that the Naiza, Aybat and Semser systems really have serious quality problems and do not meet the requirements, since this story was continued, and even Which: in April 2009, the Deputy Minister of Defense of Kazakhstan, Kazhimurat Maermanov, was arrested (10). Agree that in the post-Soviet countries, and even in Central Asia, the arrest of such a high-ranking official is somewhat unusual, so that the Kazakh-Israeli projects were really dead-end and unpromising, since the case got such a turn. The representative of Israeli companies, Boris Scheinkman (10) (11), was also arrested. As it turned out, he and Maermanov were close at one time and served together (12).

As a result, the damage caused to Kazakhstan was estimated at $ 82 million (12), Sheinkman and Maermanov were sentenced to 11 years in prison (13), and the Israeli company Saltam after the failure of this transaction began to reduce staff (14). It is noteworthy that, despite the requests of Sheinkman, nothing was done to release him (12), but he turned to Kazakhstan with a request to transfer Sheinkman to an Israeli prison (15).

Now back to Azerbaijan. And what does our neighbors have to do with all this? Prior to this, Azerbaijan was mentioned only in the context of interest in Kazakh-Israeli products, and in particular the Niza multiple launch rocket system, which, as we have already noted, was shown to the Azerbaijani Defense Minister on May 7, 2008.

Exactly 50 days after the demonstration of the Nise systems, on June 26, 2008, for the first time since 1992, a military parade was held in Azerbaijan, when, among other things, three Israeli Link MLRS with BM-21 Grad containers were also shown, “ LAR-160 "and" EXTRA ", which were held in one row. During the discussion of military resources on the Internet, some had a question why only three systems were demonstrated and why they were installed on the KAMAZ chassis. However, the news was so significant, if not sensational, that such trifles were quickly forgotten, especially since Azerbaijan showed other military equipment of Israeli origin (namely, UAVs), and already during the 2011 parade the number of Links was more .

In general, at parades it is not customary for combat vehicles to go in one row, usually there are at least two rows, but it would be difficult to put three vehicles in two columns. From this circumstance, we can conclude that Azerbaijan has just begun to receive the “Lynx” and during the parade on June 26, 2008, it had only three cars. In the same way, in 2011 BMP-3 passed one row, which, as you know, Azerbaijan has only three. This, of course, is a window dressing, but thanks to it, we know that in June 2008 the Linkes had just begun to arrive in Azerbaijan.

As regards the second question, in the parades in 2008 and 2011, the shown “Links”, as well as transport-loading machines were installed on the KAMAZ-63502 chassis. Here, we should again recall the Kazakh MLRS “Nyza”. The fact is that the name “Naiza” (which means Persian / spear / in Persian) was given to “Lynxes” of Kazakh production, which were installed on the chassis manufactured in Kazakhstan ... yes, yes, “KAMAZ-63502”.

So to summarize. The production of Links under the name Naiza began in Kazakhstan in 2007-2008, using the KAMAZ-63502 chassis, and the Kazakh Petropavlovsk Heavy Engineering Plant was the contractor for Israeli firms in the supply of these weapons. “Naiza” was first demonstrated to the Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan on May 7, 2008 in Kazakhstan, and on 26th, three “Links” on the KAMAZ-63502 chassis appeared at the Azerbaijani parade and you can be sure that at that moment other such systems in Azerbaijan did not have. The facts and the course of events give reason to assert that the Israeli "Links" demonstrated at the parade in Baku are in fact the "Nases" of Kazakh production, which, according to the Israeli-Kazakh agreement, were purchased from Israel. We also note that of the failed Israeli-Kazakh transactions, at least Aibat also appeared in Azerbaijan.

Unfortunately, this issue was not thoroughly studied at one time, due to which the Azerbaijani propaganda succeeded in both Azerbaijan and Armenia to create the impression that the Azerbaijani army is armed with cutting-edge Israeli technology. Meanwhile, in reality it was a question of a legal and unpromising weapon produced in Kazakhstan under an Israeli license, as we were convinced by familiarizing ourselves with the history of the Kazakh scandal.

Of course, it is possible (and there are some reasons to think so) that the Jews simply did not provide all the necessary technologies for the production of weapons, and that the Lynxes intended for the Israeli army are incomparably more successful systems. Such tactics are characteristic of the military industry in general, and for the Israeli one in particular. However, this version is also doubtful, since the “Lynxes” of Israeli production were delivered to Georgia at one time and were used during the Ossetian war. The Georgians were dissatisfied from the experience of the combat use of the "Lynxes", because of their low accuracy and the large number of unexploded missiles (see photo).

In this context, it should also be noted that in recent years, Azerbaijan has repeatedly stated its intention to establish a joint production of drones with Israel. Interestingly, the company Elbit Systems of Azerbaijan is headed by a resident of Azerbaijan, Eduard Chernin, who is Jewish by nationality. That is, the scenario is the same as in the case of the Kazakhs - joint production, mediated by Jews who have good ties in this country.

It should also be remembered that when an Azerbaijani drone shot down Artsakh’s air defense last year, firstly, it turned out that it was a previously unknown Hermes model, and secondly, in the course of discussions on a number of network resources, a “sloppy” appearance seemed strange to some UAV. It was a “created”, or rather, a surrogate specially molded for Azerbaijan.

[tankist64]

Just don't talk nonsense about "bad" Israeli military equipment, we still need to adopt something advanced from them: ATGM with telecontrol at a distance of 8 km., The same tactical missiles with the ability to select a target,
BMP with armor protection greater than tank, etc. etc.

[phantom359]

tankist64,
Where did I say bad Israeli technology? And the conversation was about helicopters, not tanks and ptsurs.

[Azeri2012]

You see how they communicate with us? Countryman, they all communicate with us or think so. Now you understand me, when I say, the radar should be either mocked or kicked out with a mockery. GOOD they will not understand. Sure?
Go after that and don’t build the Trans-Caspian pipeline.

[phantom359]

Azeri2012,
Well let's say, drive out the Russian gut is thin. And what GOOD did you offer them (Russian)? And anyway, what can you offer? Oil, so you have been speculating this for 20 years. And yet, buy at least Martian military equipment, if a soldier is afraid to fight, then he will not fight. And do not rush to lay under the Americans, they are with people like you talking like sluts - fucked and thrown out. And the warriors in Azerbaijan are good only in the ratio of 10: 1.

[mnb2012]

Quote: phantom359

Well let's say, drive out the Russian gut is thin.

Do not be smart. Do not you mole from GUAM know who has what gut.

Quote: phantom359

And what GOOD did you offer them (Russian)?

If you still don’t know, you’ll hardly understand.

Quote: phantom359

And anyway, what can you offer?

Moles from GUAM are not responding.

Quote: phantom359

And yet, buy at least Martian military equipment, if a soldier is afraid to fight, then he will not fight.

Got it. Thank.

Quote: phantom359

And do not rush to lay under the Americans, they are with people like you talking like sluts - fucked and thrown out.

Seeing South Korea, Dubai, Saudi Arabia and others. I would not say. But it would be better if I thought how you use allies and the enemies of your allies to sell weapons. So what are you better at?

Quote: phantom359

And the warriors in Azerbaijan are good only in the ratio of 10: 1.

Well done. Did you say everything or something else?

[Hleb]

The user with the USA flag writes: envy our, rams and radar?

over 9000

[nycsson]

Quote: Azeri2012

envy our sheep and radar?

Your rams and radar ??? Do not tell people !!! You got the radar from "decay", you wouldn't have enough brains to build such a thing !!!

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: nycsson

you wouldn’t have enough brains to build

arrogantly Nixon You have no idea about Azerbaijani scientists at all, why should you grind with your tongue?

[nycsson]

Normal! And you enlighten me, maybe I am behind the times!? Talented people are everywhere, but like fools .....

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: nycsson

Talented people are everywhere

you contradict yourself

[beech]

and what was so cool done by Azerbaijani scientists, sawed the money ???

[S_nami_strength]

And where did your scientists come from ?? after graduating from Russian institutes ???

[DimychAs]

Quote: synchrophasatron

you have no idea about Azerbaijani scientists,

[Kangarli]

When did we need oil during the war we had enough brains and now we don’t?

PS Lotfi Zadeh is the founder of the theory of fuzzy sets and fuzzy logic. Fuzzy logic mechanisms are implemented in hundreds of application systems: in washing machines, video cameras, engines, metro and aircraft control systems, etc.

Yusif Mammadaliev, research in the field of catalytic algidation of aromatic, paraffin, cycloparaffin hydrocarbons using unsaturated hydrocarbons made it possible to synthesize components of aviation fuels on an industrial scale.

Igor Ashurbeyli is a member of the Management Board of Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern OJSC, a member of the Executive Committee of the Russian-British Chamber of Commerce and Industry, co-chair of the Russian National Congress on Informatics and Telecommunications. Candidate of Technical Sciences. The author of more than 95 published scientific and technical works.

Having entered the management of "Almaz" in the difficult period for the defense industry in the early 90s, and subsequently heading the enterprise, Ashurbeyli has managed over the past years to bring the NGO into the ranks of the leaders of the Russian defense-industrial complex. Today GSKB "Almaz-Antey" is one of the leading enterprises of the defense industry, with a stable material and technical base, introducing new technologies and know-how into production, which has won international authority as a strong and reliable partner. Under the leadership of Igor Ashurbeyli, an internal restructuring was carried out in Almaz and its subsidiaries, which resulted in the absence of arrears in taxes, wages and energy resources. The enterprise successfully fulfills the state defense order and export contracts that bring substantial profits to the state. The pride of NPO Almaz is the famous air defense systems of the S-300P family, which today form the basis of the air defense shield in Russia. The last realized development of "Almaz" - the S-400 "Triumph" system - successfully passed state tests and was adopted by the Russian army.

Thanks to the efforts and perseverance I.R. Ashurbeli in June 2003. the All-Russian weekly newspaper Military-Industrial Courier was established with a circulation of 50 thousand copies and the Military Space Defense magazine, which aroused interest not only in the military-industrial complex, but also in the country as a whole for a pronounced patriotic position. In addition, in 2003, at the initiative of I.R. Ashurbeyli, a museum of the NGO Almaz was created.

We always had enough brains.

[David]

"Igor Ashurbeyli is a member of the Management Board of JSC Air Defense Concern Almaz-Antey, a member of the executive committee of the Russian-British Chamber of Commerce and Industry, co-chairman of the Russian National Congress on Informatics and Telecommunications. Candidate of Technical Sciences. Author of more than 95 published scientific and technical works."
This scum - Ashurbeyli, is finally swept out by a filthy broom from Almaz - Antey. And thank God. And then, they took the same fashion, Turkey .op lick and work on the Russian defense industry.
There would be enough brains, more closely Bears would be accepted.
Brainy))))))

[Kangarli]

Damn me, only the opinions of the Armenian p ... did not have enough.

[David]

Don’t just start raving like your lobster brother

[Kangarli]

I don’t know how Omar, but I answered you as you need to respond to what you wrote.

[David]

Kangarli. If you in Azerbaijan consider the enemy-Ashurbeyli an object of pride, then read here http://www.compromat.ru/page_28721.htm
And think about why this "great scientist" was kicked out of Almaz-Antey with a nasty broom.

[Kangarli]

And think about why this "great scientist" was kicked out of Almaz-Antey with a nasty broom.

Couldn’t I write like that?

The pride, I think, is what he achieved (to lead such enterprises). And for what it was kicked out to me, it’s not important, but what’s important is that over the past years he has managed to make NGOs one of the leaders of the Russian defense industry.

[David]

Contrary to! The activities of the Azerbaijani cooperator Ashurbeyli concern Almaz-Antey are developing.
And where, by the way, is Ph.D. Ashurbeyli now, don’t you know?

[PIDR MODERATOR]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS W * P * O * D ​​WHICH BANES MY LOGIN HERE IS CONSTANT, BUT THIS U-R-O-D VERY REASON THAT BANES ME FOR NO CAUSE. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT I HAVE TO HELP YOU BUILT IN YOU? So that you know what you cleaned up after me? YOU ARE FASCIST OF FEATS, YOU DO NOT HAVE A GRAM OF RESPECT FOR UUURRROOOODDD. YOU ARE ** KILLING ME. YOU UUURRROOOODDDD DO NOT BANGE THE ARMENIANS AND THOSE WHO INSURES THE AZERBAIJAN PEOPLE, BUT THE AZERBAIJANI USERS AT THE SAME BANISH? I AM YOUR CARDABALET ON THE MOST NIGHT. TOMORROW FROM MORNING TO EVENING WILL BE CLEARING ALL WORDS WHICH I AM ADDRESSING TO YOU. BECAUSE REQUIRES RESPECT FOR YOURSELF? FOR WHAT? FOR YOUR FASCIST RELATIONSHIP TO MY NATION? MODERATOR, YOU'RE FINISHED AT * P * O * D. NOW I WILL SHOW YOU HOW I WILL HAVE YOU !!! S * U * K * A DRESSED. FASCIST. IF YOU DO NOT RELAX, I WILL GO INTO MORE ONCE .... DO NOT MAKE ME TO DO SO ON THE MAIN PAGE OF THE AZERBAIJANI FLAG WISE, WITH THE WORDS OF THE MODERATOR OF THIS SAYDOORUDU. OR YOU AS A MAN WILL MODERATE A SITE, OR I WILL MAKE YOU A LONG TURN OUT. FASCIST. YOU ARE NOT A MALE ONCE BANED FOR NO REASON. YOU'RE THE END OF TVAAAARR, AS A SUBSIDIARY OCCASION THE LAST BANISH OF USERS FROM AZERBAIJAN ..... YOU ARE PAAADDDLLAAAAA AND ALL THE PAAADDDLOOOOY WILL STAY. DON'T GIVE GOD, TAKEN MY PROFILE ONCE AGAIN, I WILL MAKE A HELP FROM THIS SITEAAA.
YOU WILL NEED THE HOURS TO CLEAN ALL POSTS. OR MODERATE AS A PERSON AND NOT SOMETHING, OR GO ON KUI AND LET NORMAL PEOPLE MODERATE.
PIIIIIDDRRR SITE MODERATOR!


I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS W * P * O * D ​​WHICH BANES MY LOGIN HERE IS CONSTANT, BUT THIS U-R-O-D VERY REASON THAT BANES ME FOR NO CAUSE. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT I HAVE TO HELP YOU BUILT IN YOU? So that you know what you cleaned up after me? YOU ARE FASCIST OF FEATS, YOU DO NOT HAVE A GRAM OF RESPECT FOR UUURRROOOODDD. YOU ARE ** KILLING ME. YOU UUURRROOOODDDD DO NOT BANGE THE ARMENIANS AND THOSE WHO INSURES THE AZERBAIJAN PEOPLE, BUT THE AZERBAIJANI USERS AT THE SAME BANISH? I AM YOUR CARDABALET ON THE MOST NIGHT. TOMORROW FROM MORNING TO EVENING WILL BE CLEARING ALL WORDS WHICH I AM ADDRESSING TO YOU. BECAUSE REQUIRES RESPECT FOR YOURSELF? FOR WHAT? FOR YOUR FASCIST RELATIONSHIP TO MY NATION? MODERATOR, YOU'RE FINISHED AT * P * O * D. NOW I WILL SHOW YOU HOW I WILL HAVE YOU !!! S * U * K * A DRESSED. FASCIST. IF YOU DO NOT RELAX, I WILL GO INTO MORE ONCE .... DO NOT MAKE ME TO DO SO ON THE MAIN PAGE OF THE AZERBAIJANI FLAG WISE, WITH THE WORDS OF THE MODERATOR OF THIS SAYDOORUDU. OR YOU AS A MAN WILL MODERATE A SITE, OR I WILL MAKE YOU A LONG TURN OUT. FASCIST. YOU ARE NOT A MALE ONCE BANED FOR NO REASON. YOU'RE THE END OF TVAAAARR, AS A SUBSIDIARY OCCASION THE LAST BANISH OF USERS FROM AZERBAIJAN ..... YOU ARE PAAADDDLLAAAAA AND ALL THE PAAADDDLOOOOY WILL STAY. DON'T GIVE GOD, TAKEN MY PROFILE ONCE AGAIN, I WILL MAKE A HELP FROM THIS SITEAAA.
YOU WILL NEED THE HOURS TO CLEAN ALL POSTS. OR MODERATE AS A PERSON AND NOT SOMETHING, OR GO ON KUI AND LET NORMAL PEOPLE MODERATE.

PIIIIIDDRRR SITE MODERATOR!

[beech]

present to you a list of Russian scientists ??? I think you’ll be flipping them for a week !!!

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: beech

present to you a list of Russian scientists ???

Perelman, Wasserman, who else is there?

[beech]

but they live in Russia, and they make their discoveries in Russia, and you chebureks can only carry bricks for three rubles at a construction site !!!

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: beech

and you chebureks can only carry bricks for three rubles at a construction site

beech, you are a sick, inadequate little man, why are you torturing yourself one place? go see some cop serial, you can also house-2, enjoy vodka, sleep in the groove. You certainly are not threatened by any discoveries ...

[beech]

sit already, look at our rush, admire your compatriots !!

[core]

they live in Russia and did not run away like your Jews to Israel. which means it is our scientists.

[aksakal]

Quote: Kangarli

Lotfie Zadeh is the founder of the theory of fuzzy sets and fuzzy logic. Fuzzy logic mechanisms are implemented in hundreds of application systems: in washing machines, video cameras, engines, metro and aircraft control systems, etc.

- In my opinion, this is still an Amer scholar of Azerbaijani origin, a representative of the dispute.
No, I don’t deny that there is the Baku Polytechnic, where even Turks study, preferring it to their universities. Landau graduated from it. And the first computers in the USSR - "Nairi", so, in my opinion, they were called - the development of Baku, just this university. But why don't you note that all this is thanks to the USSR, which was based on Russia? And why don't you compare the policy of Russia within the framework of the USSR, which led to the creation of such a university, with the policy of the same Englishmen who produced oil in Baku before the USSR? And you read about British politics in Baku at that time, it's very interesting. And this policy would have ended quite logically - if not Russia with its revolution and then those 26 guys sent by Russia, you would rot by 1926 on reservations - a purely English invention. Think about this before writing about Yu Korea and Saudi Arabia. By the way, these countries are flourishing again thanks to the USSR, thanks to the very factor of the emergence of this state. The Amers, in rivalry with this state, desperately needed allies and therefore were simply forced to reluctantly take South Korea, the Saudis, and Japan as partners, and not as usual in their style. And you know very well about their usual style
And finally - unfortunately, you no longer need to deceive yourself. Amer no longer needs partners, they counted, wept, and now they don’t take partners. As colonies, with accommodation in specially designated places, far enough from the deposits, always welcome. Libya, Iraq, etc. More examples? No, of course, there are especially important states that amers can consider as potential partners, but something tells me that Azerbaijan is not on this list. And will not be.

[kNow]

Quote: aksakal

after all, this is an Amer scholar of Azerbaijani origin, a representative of the dispor

There are many Russians working in America, from this they do not cease to be Russian.

Quote: aksakal

Amer no longer needs partners, they counted, wept, and now they don’t take partners.

We are not asking for partners in them. Where did you get this? Not only that - we have recently appointed an ambassador, and the absence of an ambassador is an indicator of not partnership at all ...

[aksakal]

Quote: kNow

There are many Russians working in America, from this they do not cease to be Russian.

- which scientist depends on where and in what state his formation as a scientist took place. Nationality in this case is not so important. Prigogine, a Nobel laureate, author of the theory of dissipative systems, is still a Belgian scientist, and Russia has nothing to do with this. And nobody is going to announce I. Prigogine to Russian scientists. But with the two guys who developed graphene, how much they would shout that they are Amer scientists, in fact they are Russian scientists, because they graduated from Russian universities and did the first experiments with graphene in the laboratories of N. Novgorod. Ethnicity here is of little importance. Lotfi Zadeh is not an Azerbaijani scientist, just like I. Prigogine. Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs.

Quote: kNow

We are not asking for partners in them. Where did you get this? Not only that - we have recently appointed an ambassador, and the absence of an ambassador is an indicator of not partnership at all ...

- and here below who wrote that "judging by South Korea and Saudi Arabia, with Amera we will be very good." Am I? And my post is just an answer to this nonsense, and I explained why. And if you want to know what it is like under the amers, ask the Nicaraguans, they first kicked out Daniel Ortega in favor of some pro-American woman, and now Ortega has been re-elected for many years. And honestly, even amers have no questions. Why is that? How did you get hold of this communit? Is it because even this communist seems to them a white-winged angel against the background of amer's dominion? I repeat once again, especially for those who think that it is good with amers, look at South Korea and the Saudis, re-read my post. Only the very existence of the USSR saved these countries from the same share that Nicaragua has. If Nicaragua were here instead of Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan, on the contrary, there, in general, there would be no questions and such disputes would not arise. But alas, now it is as it is. And Azerbaijan is not pursuing a good policy towards Iran, Russia's ally. Let it be temporary, by force of the prevailing circumstances, as it were involuntarily, but at the moment an ally of Russia. This, as you understand, cannot be very pleasant.

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: aksakal

Lotfi Zadeh is not an Azerbaijani scientist, just like I. Prigogine.

There are other scientists, it’s just that his field is connected with electronics, and therefore he was cited as an example.

Quote: aksakal

Ethnicity is of little importance here.

Here they stupidly pointed to the nationality, when they said "there won't be enough brains"

Quote: aksakal

- and here below who wrote that "judging by South Korea and Saudi Arabia, we will be very good with Amera." Am I?

I certainly didn’t write

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[MS]

Quote: nycsson

you wouldn’t have enough brains

Well, brother have you gone too far, more than half of the so-called luminaries of Russian science are Jews. I can list by name, although this is not in your favor, it may turn out that there are few ethnically Russian scientists. And about the radar, Baikanur and other military facilities in the territories of the former Soviet republics, this is a reality that you must put up with. But somehow it doesn’t work correctly, the center milked the republic in full and in return nothing. Although, to be honest, we need this radar as a dog’s fifth leg.

[Odinplys]

MS,

Quote: MS

more than a half so-called the luminaries of Russian science, the Jews.

That’s how it will be more correct ... Because train ... everywhere ... wherever they appear ... make themselves heroes ... luminaries ... really worthless tribe ...
And of course you need to give rebuff to the rude ... +++

[nycsson]

Quote: MS

Well, brother have you gone too far, more than half of the so-called luminaries of Russian science are Jews.

I can not say anything about this!

Quote: MS

And about the radar, Baikanur and other military facilities in the territories of the former Soviet republics, this is a reality that you must put up with. But somehow it doesn’t work correctly, the center milked the republic in full and in return nothing. Although, to be honest, we need this radar as a dog’s fifth leg.

Maybe you are right!

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[beech]

MS, do you roll a barrel to our great country ?? You rejoice that we are supplying such equipment, no one has ever refused crocodiles.

[beech]

for cho cons, I mourned someone in my statement ???

[Dimani]

Smiled ..... and what is the center of your milking?

[core]

pamidors, apparently.

[the gray wolf]

if there was no Azerbaijani oil during World War 2, then you would now be called Hans

[the gray wolf]

Oil from Azerbaijan.

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[Azeri2012]

Quote: nycsson

Don't make people laugh !!! You got the radar from "decay", you wouldn't have enough brains to build such a thing !!!

If you do not know, COMRADE FROM RUSSIA, you have no brains to let out unmanned years. apartment. And Azerbaijan jointly produces. You have not had enough brains to create something like that. And we are already collecting.

[nycsson]

Quote: Azeri2012

If you do not know, COMRADE FROM RUSSIA, you have no brains to let out unmanned years. apartment. And Azerbaijan jointly produces. You have not had enough brains to create something like that. And we are already collecting.

Just don’t need la-la! The graduation was arranged by your Jewish brothers, and your function is labor, no more, no less! And the light did not converge on the drones, especially since your country has no merits in this production! And it is not correct to compare the scientific potentials of our countries!

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[Eugene]

Well buy from brainless Mi-35?

[mnb2012]

Quote: Eugene

Well buy from brainless Mi-35?

It is a pleasure to kill the enemies of the people of Azerbaijan with the weapons of an ally of our enemies. You did not know? And then they should also say, here is your friendship.

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[Eugene]

Cool. It is necessary to post on Lurk, there are just not enough examples in the article "P * o * tsreot".

[CCCP1980]

Quote: Azeri2012

And Azerbaijan jointly produces. You have not had enough brains to create something like that. And we are already collecting

[Lord of the Sith]

"To your rams"? Why are you so on your government?

[S_nami_strength]

Why envy here ??? YOUR BARS ??? Or our radar ???

[mnb2012]

Quote: S_name_sila

Or our radar ???

production and nothing more.

[David]

This is what the radar will look like when the Russians leave Gabala)))))))))))))))))
For these four-legged are real Azerbaijanis)))))))))))

[Azeri2012]

Can show you two legs of Armenian sluts that look like pigs?

[Kamila]

Quote: David

For these four-legged are real Azerbaijanis)))))))))))

you yourself, artiodactyl, to the marrow of bones ... unlearned ((((((((((((((

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[YARY]

Look at the turntable carefully! And find a couple of surreal differences from our 35th.
Hai buy!

[Sergh]

I beg your pardon, but you can show with your finger, honestly, I don’t see, here, veteran.air force would help us with our professional eye. I see only the gun, not the spark, which used to be on the side, but as they say in the article, a 12.7 mm machine gun, etc.

True, this is Mi-35 M2, also an export for Venezuela.

[Kangarli]

The difference is only in color and the inscription on the tail. And here is the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2AhIzBf2tM&lc=u2fEIqm-cZC2Cbr6SOK5YwioQx-5M5DNWa
hueQn7V1I & feature = inbox

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[igor67]

the gun is on the product 243 and it is mi35 export version of the product 242

[tankist64]

And what are the differences there, you can really see?
Mi-35M - non-retractable chassis, which, unlike the Mi-24, provides energy absorption during a fall; OPS-24N with a gyrostabilized optoelectronic station GOES-324, a laser rangefinder, a shortened wing (4 suspension points), Klimov high-altitude engines VK-2500-02 manufactured by Motor Sich.
In short, the MI-35M is the latest version of the deeply modernized
MI is 24, and there are no other options.

[Kangarli]

at a reasonable price!

Well, who said for taking Chen? You sell us weapons at times more expensive than other countries. That's because of this, our decided to develop the defense industry.

[beech]

just don’t need la-la, he himself said that you have heaps of money, but right now you are eating, which is a little expensive !!!!

[Kangarli]

Hey la la, you listen, if we have a lot of money, this does not mean that you should sell us at inflated prices.

[PIDR MODERATOR]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS W * P * O * D ​​WHICH BANES MY LOGIN HERE IS CONSTANT, BUT THIS U-R-O-D VERY REASON THAT BANES ME FOR NO CAUSE. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT I HAVE TO HELP YOU BUILT IN YOU? So that you know what you cleaned up after me? YOU ARE FASCIST OF FEATS, YOU DO NOT HAVE A GRAM OF RESPECT FOR UUURRROOOODDD. YOU ARE ** KILLING ME. YOU UUURRROOOODDDD DO NOT BANGE THE ARMENIANS AND THOSE WHO INSURES THE AZERBAIJAN PEOPLE, BUT THE AZERBAIJANI USERS AT THE SAME BANISH? I AM YOUR CARDABALET ON THE MOST NIGHT. TOMORROW FROM MORNING TO EVENING WILL BE CLEARING ALL WORDS WHICH I AM ADDRESSING TO YOU. BECAUSE REQUIRES RESPECT FOR YOURSELF? FOR WHAT? FOR YOUR FASCIST RELATIONSHIP TO MY NATION? MODERATOR, YOU'RE FINISHED AT * P * O * D. NOW I WILL SHOW YOU HOW I WILL HAVE YOU !!! S * U * K * A DRESSED. FASCIST. IF YOU DO NOT RELAX, I WILL GO INTO MORE ONCE .... DO NOT MAKE ME TO DO SO ON THE MAIN PAGE OF THE AZERBAIJANI FLAG WISE, WITH THE WORDS OF THE MODERATOR OF THIS SAYDOORUDU. OR YOU AS A MAN WILL MODERATE A SITE, OR I WILL MAKE YOU A LONG TURN OUT. FASCIST. YOU ARE NOT A MALE ONCE BANED FOR NO REASON. YOU'RE THE END OF TVAAAARR, AS A SUBSIDIARY OCCASION THE LAST BANISH OF USERS FROM AZERBAIJAN ..... YOU ARE PAAADDDLLAAAAA AND ALL THE PAAADDDLOOOOY WILL STAY. DON'T GIVE GOD, TAKEN MY PROFILE ONCE AGAIN, I WILL MAKE A HELP FROM THIS SITEAAA.
YOU WILL NEED THE HOURS TO CLEAN ALL POSTS. OR MODERATE AS A PERSON AND NOT SOMETHING, OR GO ON KUI AND LET NORMAL PEOPLE MODERATE.

PIIIIIDDRRR SITE MODERATOR!

[Antipov]

So do not buy once expensive! What is the problem?! Weapons at preferential prices, and sometimes free or on lease, Russia transfers only to its allies (members of the CSTO or SCO), and even then not to all

[mnb2012]

Quote: Antipov

So do not buy once expensive! What is the problem?! Weapons at preferential prices, and sometimes free or on lease, Russia transfers only to its allies (members of the CSTO or SCO), and even then not to all

Totally agree with you. You are a plus from me. Here we are, leasing the Gabala radar station, for 300 mil. Do not rent once expensive! What is the problem? Such things at preferential prices, we will give to our allies and not all.

Agree all honestly.

[nokki]

It has always amazed me how a dozen inadequate personalities can lead an entire people to the abyss of total destruction ... I am talking about my beloved Azerbaijan.

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: nokki

It always struck me how a dozen inadequate personalities can lead an entire people to the abyss of total destruction... I’m talking about my beloved Azerbaijan.

You and one had inadequacy to ruin an empire. However, what is the total destruction? we, glory to Allah, are alive and well, which is what I wish for you ....

[Alexander Romanov]

Thanks to this inadequacy, you have gained independence! But whether you will continue to be independent depends only on you

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Thanks to this inadequacy, you have gained independence

More likely contrary. This labeled inadequate spilled a sea of ​​blood, so that there was no independence ...

[Alexander Romanov]

This labeled, sold and betrayed a great country, so much so that we are still raking. In your case, Karabakh

[David]

This tagged, by the way, Mikhail Mehmed-oglu Yakup
http://warfiles.ru/6521-kak-mihail-mehmed-ogly-yakup-razvalil-sovetskiy-soyuz.ht
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[PIDR MODERATOR]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS W * P * O * D ​​WHICH BANES MY LOGIN HERE IS CONSTANT, BUT THIS U-R-O-D VERY REASON THAT BANES ME FOR NO CAUSE. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT I HAVE TO HELP YOU BUILT IN YOU? So that you know what you cleaned up after me? YOU ARE FASCIST OF FEATS, YOU DO NOT HAVE A GRAM OF RESPECT FOR UUURRROOOODDD. YOU ARE ** KILLING ME. YOU UUURRROOOODDDD DO NOT BANGE THE ARMENIANS AND THOSE WHO INSURES THE AZERBAIJAN PEOPLE, BUT THE AZERBAIJANI USERS AT THE SAME BANISH? I AM YOUR CARDABALET ON THE MOST NIGHT. TOMORROW FROM MORNING TO EVENING WILL BE CLEARING ALL WORDS WHICH I AM ADDRESSING TO YOU. BECAUSE REQUIRES RESPECT FOR YOURSELF? FOR WHAT? FOR YOUR FASCIST RELATIONSHIP TO MY NATION? MODERATOR, YOU'RE FINISHED AT * P * O * D. NOW I WILL SHOW YOU HOW I WILL HAVE YOU !!! S * U * K * A DRESSED. FASCIST. IF YOU DO NOT RELAX, I WILL GO INTO MORE ONCE .... DO NOT MAKE ME TO DO SO ON THE MAIN PAGE OF THE AZERBAIJANI FLAG WISE, WITH THE WORDS OF THE MODERATOR OF THIS SAYDOORUDU. OR YOU AS A MAN WILL MODERATE A SITE, OR I WILL MAKE YOU A LONG TURN OUT. FASCIST. YOU ARE NOT A MALE ONCE BANED FOR NO REASON. YOU'RE THE END OF TVAAAARR, AS A SUBSIDIARY OCCASION THE LAST BANISH OF USERS FROM AZERBAIJAN ..... YOU ARE PAAADDDLLAAAAA AND ALL THE PAAADDDLOOOOY WILL STAY. DON'T GIVE GOD, TAKEN MY PROFILE ONCE AGAIN, I WILL MAKE A HELP FROM THIS SITEAAA.
YOU WILL NEED THE HOURS TO CLEAN ALL POSTS. OR MODERATE AS A PERSON AND NOT SOMETHING, OR GO ON KUI AND LET NORMAL PEOPLE MODERATE.

PIIIIIDDRRR SITE MODERATOR!

[Azeri2012]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

But whether you will continue to be independent depends only on you

:) You forget your 2nd country trip, Turkey. Feel free to threaten))))))) look do not fly high, it will hurt to fall.

[Alexander Romanov]

I didn’t threaten anyone, read carefully what I write! Read and think! As for Turkey, Turkey is the country that managed to lose all the wars of Russia. I know, I remember.

[Antipov]

Are you out of your mind? Since when is Russia afraid of your second (most not funny?) Country? Yes, your level ..........

[mnb2012]

Quote: Antipov

Yes, your level ..........

and what is our level?
1. We are hosting Eurovision.
2. Sports Olympiads occupy excellent places.
3. In the world, we spend the most on defense
4. Azerbaijan presides over the UN Security Council.
5. The largest oil company in Russia is in the hands of an Azerbaijani.
6. One of the largest construction companies in Russia, also in the hands of Azerbaijan.
7. Azerbaijan has always been honest with its friends and fraternal countries that I will not say about your case.
And much more. So what level are you talking about? What do our tomatoes sell? Eat and gain in vitans. And we buy weapons from you, only to the question of whether they will live in this equipment or not, and most importantly, we will use your own weapon against your so-called allies. And you knowing it, you still sell it. The issue of monetary gain is more important to you than fraternal and allied relations. Who is more than a marketer, still need to think.
And what level are you talking about?

[MS]

Quote: nokki

I am talking about my beloved Azerbaijan.

Mutually dear, you are mine! And why are you minus what you don’t like, what is bad in love for your neighbor?

[Alexander Romanov]

Dear, the only minus that I put yesterday was a jerk from Latvia - I suggested that Russia join NATO! You, now a plus

[MS]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Alexander Romanov

THANKS! "+"

[PIDR MODERATOR]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS W * P * O * D ​​WHICH BANES MY LOGIN HERE IS CONSTANT, BUT THIS U-R-O-D VERY REASON THAT BANES ME FOR NO CAUSE. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT I HAVE TO HELP YOU BUILT IN YOU? So that you know what you cleaned up after me? YOU ARE FASCIST OF FEATS, YOU DO NOT HAVE A GRAM OF RESPECT FOR UUURRROOOODDD. YOU ARE ** KILLING ME. YOU UUURRROOOODDDD DO NOT BANGE THE ARMENIANS AND THOSE WHO INSURES THE AZERBAIJAN PEOPLE, BUT THE AZERBAIJANI USERS AT THE SAME BANISH? I AM YOUR CARDABALET ON THE MOST NIGHT. TOMORROW FROM MORNING TO EVENING WILL BE CLEARING ALL WORDS WHICH I AM ADDRESSING TO YOU. BECAUSE REQUIRES RESPECT FOR YOURSELF? FOR WHAT? FOR YOUR FASCIST RELATIONSHIP TO MY NATION? MODERATOR, YOU'RE FINISHED AT * P * O * D. NOW I WILL SHOW YOU HOW I WILL HAVE YOU !!! S * U * K * A DRESSED. FASCIST. IF YOU DO NOT RELAX, I WILL GO INTO MORE ONCE .... DO NOT MAKE ME TO DO SO ON THE MAIN PAGE OF THE AZERBAIJANI FLAG WISE, WITH THE WORDS OF THE MODERATOR OF THIS SAYDOORUDU. OR YOU AS A MAN WILL MODERATE A SITE, OR I WILL MAKE YOU A LONG TURN OUT. FASCIST. YOU ARE NOT A MALE ONCE BANED FOR NO REASON. YOU'RE THE END OF TVAAAARR, AS A SUBSIDIARY OCCASION THE LAST BANISH OF USERS FROM AZERBAIJAN ..... YOU ARE PAAADDDLLAAAAA AND ALL THE PAAADDDLOOOOY WILL STAY. DON'T GIVE GOD, TAKEN MY PROFILE ONCE AGAIN, I WILL MAKE A HELP FROM THIS SITEAAA.
YOU WILL NEED THE HOURS TO CLEAN ALL POSTS. OR MODERATE AS A PERSON AND NOT SOMETHING, OR GO ON KUI AND LET NORMAL PEOPLE MODERATE.

PIIIIIDDRRR SITE MODERATOR!

[Odinplys]

MS, Do not pay attention to the rudeness of certain ... Russia has always lived side by side with Muslims ... And God forbid ... that our tops would find understanding of each other ... And we ... even here on the site you need to support each other friend ...
Jews have never brought good to Russia ... and Armenians are the same Jews ...

[Azeri2012]

Quote: OdinPlys

Russia has always lived side by side with Muslims

Quote: OdinPlys

Jews have never brought good to Russia ...and the Armenians are the same Jews ...

For such correct words, I would love to warm you up with a couple of dozen barrel of oil)))) That's right.

[David]

One, are you arguing "the Armenians are the same Jews"?
And it turns out that the Belarusians (or who you are) are the same Jews.

[Azeri2012]

Quote: David

One, are you arguing "the Armenians are the same Jews"?
And it turns out that the Belarusians (or who you are) are the same Jews.

Oh hi, is the foundation of your sub-slack shattered?

[PIDR MODERATOR]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS W * P * O * D ​​WHICH BANES MY LOGIN HERE IS CONSTANT, BUT THIS U-R-O-D VERY REASON THAT BANES ME FOR NO CAUSE. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT I HAVE TO HELP YOU BUILT IN YOU? So that you know what you cleaned up after me? YOU ARE FASCIST OF FEATS, YOU DO NOT HAVE A GRAM OF RESPECT FOR UUURRROOOODDD. YOU ARE ** KILLING ME. YOU UUURRROOOODDDD DO NOT BANGE THE ARMENIANS AND THOSE WHO INSURES THE AZERBAIJAN PEOPLE, BUT THE AZERBAIJANI USERS AT THE SAME BANISH? I AM YOUR CARDABALET ON THE MOST NIGHT. TOMORROW FROM MORNING TO EVENING WILL BE CLEARING ALL WORDS WHICH I AM ADDRESSING TO YOU. BECAUSE REQUIRES RESPECT FOR YOURSELF? FOR WHAT? FOR YOUR FASCIST RELATIONSHIP TO MY NATION? MODERATOR, YOU'RE FINISHED AT * P * O * D. NOW I WILL SHOW YOU HOW I WILL HAVE YOU !!! S * U * K * A DRESSED. FASCIST. IF YOU DO NOT RELAX, I WILL GO INTO MORE ONCE .... DO NOT MAKE ME TO DO SO ON THE MAIN PAGE OF THE AZERBAIJANI FLAG WISE, WITH THE WORDS OF THE MODERATOR OF THIS SAYDOORUDU. OR YOU AS A MAN WILL MODERATE A SITE, OR I WILL MAKE YOU A LONG TURN OUT. FASCIST. YOU ARE NOT A MALE ONCE BANED FOR NO REASON. YOU'RE THE END OF TVAAAARR, AS A SUBSIDIARY OCCASION THE LAST BANISH OF USERS FROM AZERBAIJAN ..... YOU ARE PAAADDDLLAAAAA AND ALL THE PAAADDDLOOOOY WILL STAY. DON'T GIVE GOD, TAKEN MY PROFILE ONCE AGAIN, I WILL MAKE A HELP FROM THIS SITEAAA.
YOU WILL NEED THE HOURS TO CLEAN ALL POSTS. OR MODERATE AS A PERSON AND NOT SOMETHING, OR GO ON KUI AND LET NORMAL PEOPLE MODERATE.

PIIIIIDDRRR SITE MODERATOR!

[MS]

Quote: OdinPlys

Odinplys

It is a sin not to say something to an intelligent and wise person. "+"

[David]

Oil flowed)))))))))))))))))))))))))

[Kamila]

Quote: OdinPlys

Russia has always lived side by side with Muslims ... And God forbid ... that our tops would find understanding of each other ... And we ... even here on the site we need to support each other ..

Thank you very much!

[Artmark]

Well, you drove !!!! But Belarusians are the same Latvians ,,, ??????????????????

[Odinplys]

Note that the delivery of Mi-35 helicopters started in December 2011. 8 out of 24 ordered helicopters have already been delivered to Azerbaijan and taken into service. Phased delivery of the remaining 16 helicopters to Azerbaijan is also provided.

Normal civilized relations ... We need to go to each other's meeting ...

[dred]

Excellent. Let’s continue to buy.

[Aeneas]

Azerbaijan will fight with Armenia with a 90 percent probability. Armenia is positioned as a loyal ally of Moscow, but the Kremlin is arming Baku: helicopters, T-72-90, S-300 tanks, artillery ... Well, no politics, this is business!

[Kangarli]

If the war starts, the fighting will be in Karabakh. The Muscovite officially recognizes Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan and therefore calmly sells weapons.

[Alexander Romanov]

No, does not recognize! The war in Karabakh will begin no earlier than it will strike Iran. And in such chaos, Russia will be on the side of Armenia.! Nothing personal, just politics.

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

No, does not recognize!

Romanov, this is solid you do not recognize your government or what?

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The war in Karabakh will begin no earlier than it will strike Iran. And in such chaos, Russia will be on the side of Armenia.! Nothing personal, just politics.

Of course, politics. The war will begin as soon as Russia and Azerbaijan come to an agreement on one major issue.

[Alexander Romanov]

Yes, I agree with you, but if the United States, in the event of a strike on Iran (and it will), they will use nuclear weapons. Azerbaijan will be on the side of Russia, and Karabakh will recede into the background or into the background. I think in this situation we will agree

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

if the United States, in case of a blow to Iran (and it will) will be applied yao

where does this scenario come from? with geographical location we were not lucky at all

[Alexander Romanov]

As from where, the United States is the most "peace-loving" country. And the amers themselves do not hide the fact that the use of tactical Yao is possible. Not with geography unlucky, but with fuckers - made yuesei

[Kangarli]

Well, it's not up to you to decide on whose side Russia will be. And the government has repeatedly said that these are our lands. Russia may be on the side of Armenia (to help with weapons) but do not even dream of fighting openly for them in Karabakh.

[Aeneas]

And what if the Armenians strike across Nakhichevan?

[synchrophasatron]

Nakhchivan's security guarantor is Turkey

[Aeneas]

This is an outdated infa, or rather historical casuistry. The fact is that times have changed, the country that guaranteed the Kars Treaty does not exist, no one except Turkey and Azerbaijan recognizes it. States, the EEC, and even Iran, with which some misunderstandings arise, can put pressure on Turkey. While peacefully in Karabakh, Nakhichevan is not in danger, if a mess begins and escalation then Nakhichevan can come back to haunt. When there is a war, the agreement is no longer written on them. Kindred feelings did not facilitate the participation of Turkey in the early 90's. We must rely on our own strengths, because the truth is always on the side of the winner.

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: Aeneas

Kindred feelings did not contribute to the participation of Turkey in the early 90's. We must rely on our own strengths, because the truth is always on the side of the winner.

I agree completely and completely. I think ours have no illusions about the allies

[General]

The fact is that times have changed, the country that guaranteed the Kars Treaty does not exist

1) The agreements always remain in force, it doesn’t matter how much time has passed, and these 4 peoples exist and the states also
2) This is not the Kara and the Moscow Treaty

[freedom12]

Show you a video where the Prime Minister spoke about the defense of Nakhchivan?
Whatever the year, papers were signed between Nakhchivan and Turkey, and this was not 100 years ago, but in recent years.

[Antipov]

Do you really think that Turkey will be allowed to send troops to Nakhchivan, Russia, the USA, France, and all NATO? DO NOT be so naive ...

[mnb2012]

Quote: Antipov

Do you really think that Turkey will be allowed to send troops to Nakhchivan, Russia, the USA, France, and all NATO? DO NOT be so naive ...

I repeat ONCE AGAIN, both the Turkish Prime Minister and the Turkish President said this and the generals, if at least 1 bullet flies towards Nakhchivan, then in a couple of hours the Turkish flag will be in the center of Yerevan.

and Azerbaijan, will not be aloof, I think more than 100 army is able to create a mess there.

The attack on Nakhchivan, this will be the last peak. Then, in Armenia, exactly the second genocide complex will be built.

[freedom12]

Quote: Antipov

Do you really think that Turkey will be allowed to send troops to Nakhichevan

I don’t think, but they are guaranteed to introduce it. If there is a threat from Armenia.

[nemesis 13]

Quote: synchrophasatron

Nakhchivan's security guarantor is Turkey

the guarantor he is useless

[Kangarli]

The Armenians in 90 could not take Nakhchivan. And now there MLRS Smerch. Distance to Yerevan 70 km. If the Armenians are the first to attack, we have every right to answer. Turkey will immediately react.

[Alexander Romanov]

In Yerevan, the Russian Air Force base, Migi are. You will answer tornadoes, more accurately aim. Bang bang and past :-)

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

In Yerevan, the Russian Air Force base, Migi are. You will answer tornadoes, more accurately aim. Bang bang and past :-)

This is unlikely to come.

[David]

And if it does? )))))))))))))))))))))

[Kangarli]

Then do not waste time, begin to mourn your fellow countrymen. And do not worry about the Air Force base as if not as Russia is not our enemy.

[David]

I see how you were brave, so they remained
I remember Echilbey also said that he would eat "Sevan trout"
And where is he now?

[Kangarli]

Are you in a hurry?

[David]

Yes to me where to rush
The ball is by your side

[Alexander Romanov]

If someone wants to eat trout, sell him trout! Or all the fuss because of the price? Wah, I swear by my mom.: - D

[David]

Cheese-boron is that he wanted to eat and did not want to pay)))))))))))))))))))

[CCCP1980]

no do EVLAXA TOCHNO DOYDOM ESLI CHTO.

[freedom12]

Quote: CCCP1980

no do EVLAXA TOCHNO DOYDOM ESLI CHTO.

Who will reach?

[Azeri2012]

Quote: Aeneas

And what if the Armenians strike across Nakhichevan?

I give you my word, immediately in the center of Yerevan will be the Turkish flag.

[Alexander Romanov]

He won’t have to go through Russian peacekeepers. Mishiko tried to get through, then ate a tie without sauce.

[David]

Alexander Go ahead of me))
Only they are not peacekeepers.
Personnel security officers-border guards.
And how, interestingly, turechena-carrion, how will it pass between them?

[Azeri2012]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

He won’t have to go through Russian peacekeepers. Mishiko tried to get through, then ate a tie without sauce.

Prove to you that if Armenia attacks Nakhchivan, then Turkey will attack Armenia? If you think the Russian flag will stop Turkey, you are mistaken.

[David]

I am impressed by your determination)))))
Those. you think to prove an event with so many "ifs"))

[Azeri2012]

Quote: David

Those. you think to prove an event with so many "ifs"))

Did I talk to you? What do you stick your high nose into someone else's talk?

[Alexander Romanov]

Prove a good idea, I'm waiting. That's just whether Turkey has enough strength against Russia.

[Azeri2012]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

That's just whether Turkey has enough strength against Russia.

The question is not whether it’s enough or not, but if the Armenians attack Nakhchivan, will the Russian authorities protect the Armenians. That will be more accurate.

[CCCP1980]

Quote: Azeri2012

Will Russian authorities protect Armenians

ESLI turki TO OBEZATELNO, NO ESLI azreriki to mi sami ............................

[freedom12]

Quote: CCCP1980

NO IF azreriki to mi sami

You cannot protect yourself, but then you have already run into Azerbaijan.
You stop your citizens in Armenia, emigration, and then we'll talk.

[Antipov]

Stop, oh how stop! As I have stopped more than once)))))

[mnb2012]

Quote: Antipov

Stop, oh how stop! As I have stopped more than once)))))

Time will tell.

[CCCP1980]

Quote: Azeri2012

Prove to you that if Armenia attacks Nakhchivan, then Turkey will attack Armenia? If you think the Russian flag will stop Turkey, you are mistaken.

of course dokajesh. odin raz proxadili esli xochesh napomnyu

[freedom12]

Remind me when you are in Nakhchivan

Quote: CCCP1980

proxadili

:)

[DimychAs]

Quote: Azeri2012

Prove to you that if Armenia attacks Nakhchivan, then Turkey will attack Armenia? If you think the Russian flag will stop Turkey, you are mistaken.

Sorry, but you.

[Antipov]

Why is he not standing there now, despite all your dreams?

[mnb2012]

Quote: Antipov

Why is he not standing there now, despite all your dreams?

Damn who I’m talking to ((((((((((((((((((((((((In general, everything is clear to you

[CCCP1980]

Quote: Azeri2012

I give you my word, immediately in the center of Yerevan will be the Turkish flag

mechti mechti ... takie mechti vredno dlya zdarovia

[freedom12]

Who knows who knows)

[DimychAs]

Quote: Azeri2012

I give you my word, immediately in the center of Yerevan will be the Turkish flag.

Who are you?
In 12 days, the RUSSIAN flag will be over Constantinople.

[Kamilla]

There is an agreement between Turkey and Russia that Nakhichevan will only be part of Azerbaijan, otherwise Turkey reserves the right to annex Nakhichevan to itself.

[Sepuh]

Quote: Kamilla

There is an agreement between Turkey and Russia that Nakhichevan will only be part of Azerbaijan, otherwise Turkey reserves the right to annex Nakhichevan to itself.

so we still see

[freedom12]

Quote: Aeneas

And what if the Armenians strike across Nakhichevan?

Then, in a matter of hours, the Turkish flag will stand in the center of Yerevan.
So not one community, not one country will not support them. This will be a blatant attack. So Azerbaijan will not ceremony. And the war will no longer be in Karabakh but in all of Armenia.

More precisely, genocide will begin and the real one.

And they know this very well from this period from 1988 to 2012 they are trying to make sure that not one bullet does not fly to Nakhchivan.

Aware of the consequences.

[PSih2097]

The Kremlin is arming Baku: helicopters, T-72-90, S-300 tanks, artillery ... Well, no politics, this is business!

And the consequences of this business will then come round in the whole region ...

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: PSih2097

consequences of this business

And they say the Russians do not know how to trade

[CCCP1980]

a ti turkov sprasi i torgavat i voevat kaknado

[freedom12]

Quote: CCCP1980

a ti turkov sprasi i torgavat i voevat kaknado

And what do not yours trade in Turkey? So that the price from 10 to 20 dollars is not traded there, the night is from 30 to 50.

You also know how to trade.

[Aeneas]

Double standards ... The Kremlin accused Ukraine and other countries of indulging the Georgian aggressors by arming them. And situevina with Transcaucasia, so to speak, "one to one." Although, in general, it is not the weapon that kills, but the hands of those who use this weapon.

[nycsson]

Quote: PSih2097

And the consequences of this business will then come round in the whole region ...

And I’m shocked, and then these tanks and helicopters will hammer the Armenians with our peacekeepers, where is the logic, is it not clear?

[Azeri2012]

Quote: nycsson

And I’m shocked, and then these tanks and helicopters will hammer the Armenians with our peacekeepers, where is the logic, is it not clear?

The logic is that, for Russia, money as well as national interests are more important than the Armenians. From here and draw conclusions, what is the real price of Armenians in the eyes of the Kremlin.

Do you think they just do it? Read the news on the latest anti-Russian actions by the Armenians :)

[DimychAs]

Quote: PSih2097

And then the consequences of this business will then come across throughout the region ..

You + for adequate.

[Azeri2012]

Quote: Aeneas

Azerbaijan will fight with Armenia with a 90 percent probability. Armenia is positioned as a loyal ally of Moscow, but the Kremlin is arming Baku: helicopters, T-72-90, S-300 tanks, artillery ... Well, no politics, this is business!

So I talked about this. This is the price of the Kremlin for Armenians.

[David]

Apparently, you overpay)))))

[Azeri2012]

Quote: David

Apparently, you overpay)))))

we will calculate on the radar you do not worry)

[David]

Lobster.
If you try again to start the mess in Karabakh, will the Russians who serve the radars again be taken hostage?
You do not get used to http://artofwar.ru/m/mironow_w_n/karabah.shtml

[Azeri2012]

Quote: David

If you try again to start the mess in Karabakh, will the Russians who serve the radars again be taken hostage?

To cleanse Karabakh from Armenian animals, we don’t need the Armenian method, like a metro explosion, where you kill Russian children, women and then climb up without soap and say, Russians are our brothers. We will attack already. Do not worry.

[David]

"The tradition is fresh - yes it is hard to believe"

[CCCP1980]

Quote: Azeri2012

like a metro explosion

eti vzrivi v metro organize SADVAL ne nado perekladivat na nas

[freedom12]

Quote: CCCP1980

eti vzrivi v metro organize SADVAL ne nado perekladivat na nas

and who blew up the METRO in Moscow are not Armenians?

[CCCP1980]

Quote: Azeri2012

Russians are our brothers

VAZELIN NE ZABUD
VI IS TURKAMI IS IZRAILEM IS AMERAMI druzya
eto toje remember nado

[CCCP1980]

Quote: Azeri2012

we will calculate on the radar you do not worry)

of course

[PIDR MODERATOR]

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[Tiberium]

Azeibardzhan seems to be an example from the Indians, he is friends with everyone a little.

[Kangarli]

No, the Indians take an example from us.

[MS]

Quote: Tiberium

Azeibardzhan

If the spelling is lame (Azerbaijan must be written), write the official Baku. Like a friend.

[Tiberium]

Spelling is fine. In a hurry, that's all.

[Redpartyzan]

We have enough good helicopters. And there is demand. Another positive article in the news section.

[synchrophasatron]

Redpartyzan,

Right now David will come, and virtual wars will begin

[David]

Do you smell the cat whose meat was eaten)))

[synchrophasatron]

To the shame of the moderators, you manage to slander any topic that has at least one word about Azerbaijan.
Having slipped away from the draft to Russia, having no idea about the army, by ornate idle talk provoke Azerbaijani users to violate the rules.
Azerbaijani users are straightforward, they can’t swear in love for Russians and hate them in their hearts, blow up their women and children in the subway, they don’t drench the beauty of Russia with acid, as Armenians do well.
Both in Russian and in Azerbaijani forums they write the same thing.
The Armenians in Russian forums cherish love, but in their forums they are not shy in expressions.
I think time will put everything in its place, and thank God sane people who are able to distinguish sneaky from true friends (in no case, I do not mean Azerbaijan)

[mnb2012]

Quote: synchrophasatron

I think time will put everything in its place, and thank God sane people who are able to distinguish sneaky from true friends (in no case, I do not mean Azerbaijan)

For the same reason, the Russian authorities know who the Armenians are, and therefore they sell Russian weapons that will be used against their so-called. allies.

And note, 100% of the questions that put Armenia in a bad light, he evades the answers.
He speaks of love, of Orthodoxy, he knows where to put pressure. We already know their trick, and you are right, I laid out an article, showed what the real love of Armenians for Russians in Armenia and for the Russian language is.

You don’t have to think long, when I hear and read as an Armenian from Armenia writes, it’s horror. Let them come to Baku later and see who knows Russian grammar better. I am already silent about how we communicate in Russian.

Alas, as I said, the Armenians know that religious facts, or rather the Christianity factor, will play a huge role in relations with the whole world, for this reason, they and the first who allegedly converted to Islam, the Vaticans then were probably heretics.
For this reason they laid eyes on everything connected with NOAH, and here Nakhchivan, we need to fully talk about the fact that we are the descendants of Noah, for the same reason they want Agrydag (which they call Ararat), that's all they want to use.
1. a nation that saw genocide; and 2. Christian facts.

These are 2 principles that will allow them to live and show off.

THIS HERESY must be put to an end. So their deception cannot continue.

Not only do they drench the Russian girl with acid, they even marry pensioners to get a residence permit in Russia and then they kill or expel grannies.

in our country, they say, show your friend, I’ll tell you who you are.

[Sniper 1968]

Azerbaijan is building up muscle mass. Again NKAO? Again Styopa (Stepanakert)? Sniper-sabotage war on the NKAR border has been going on for a long time ... I know one thing: THIS WILL NEVER END.

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: Sniper 1968

THIS will never end.

Nothing is eternal under the Moon

[Sniper 1968]

synchrophasatron,

Quote: synchrophasatron

Nothing is eternal under the Moon

Yes, someday EVERYONE will kill ALL ... The scariest beast is man.

[PIDR MODERATOR]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS W * P * O * D ​​WHICH BANES MY LOGIN HERE IS CONSTANT, BUT THIS U-R-O-D VERY REASON THAT BANES ME FOR NO CAUSE. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT I HAVE TO HELP YOU BUILT IN YOU? So that you know what you cleaned up after me? YOU ARE FASCIST OF FEATS, YOU DO NOT HAVE A GRAM OF RESPECT FOR UUURRROOOODDD. YOU ARE ** KILLING ME. YOU UUURRROOOODDDD DO NOT BANGE THE ARMENIANS AND THOSE WHO INSURES THE AZERBAIJAN PEOPLE, BUT THE AZERBAIJANI USERS AT THE SAME BANISH? I AM YOUR CARDABALET ON THE MOST NIGHT. TOMORROW FROM MORNING TO EVENING WILL BE CLEARING ALL WORDS WHICH I AM ADDRESSING TO YOU. BECAUSE REQUIRES RESPECT FOR YOURSELF? FOR WHAT? FOR YOUR FASCIST RELATIONSHIP TO MY NATION? MODERATOR, YOU'RE FINISHED AT * P * O * D. NOW I WILL SHOW YOU HOW I WILL HAVE YOU !!! S * U * K * A DRESSED. FASCIST. IF YOU DO NOT RELAX, I WILL GO INTO MORE ONCE .... DO NOT MAKE ME TO DO SO ON THE MAIN PAGE OF THE AZERBAIJANI FLAG WISE, WITH THE WORDS OF THE MODERATOR OF THIS SAYDOORUDU. OR YOU AS A MAN WILL MODERATE A SITE, OR I WILL MAKE YOU A LONG TURN OUT. FASCIST. YOU ARE NOT A MALE ONCE BANED FOR NO REASON. YOU'RE THE END OF TVAAAARR, AS A SUBSIDIARY OCCASION THE LAST BANISH OF USERS FROM AZERBAIJAN ..... YOU ARE PAAADDDLLAAAAA AND ALL THE PAAADDDLOOOOY WILL STAY. DON'T GIVE GOD, TAKEN MY PROFILE ONCE AGAIN, I WILL MAKE A HELP FROM THIS SITEAAA.
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PIIIIIDDRRR SITE MODERATOR!

[Mak]

Aeneas,
Forgot how Ukraine supplied arms of Georgia against Russia and South Ossetia? Mdaaaa, this is an ally! Mdaaaa, this is politics!

In general, I am skeptical about all the so-called "friendly" countries. Some of them have already shown their friendliness. So, as they say: friendship is friendship, and tobacco apart.

[Aeneas]

Ukrainian companies, by the way private ones, have created the configuration of the Georgian air defense and air security system in the civilian segment. Ukrspetsexport also made money on the supply of armored vehicles, air defense systems (air defense systems, radars, RTR), aviation (helicopters). All this was ... And even now the service of previous contracts (warranty service, repair) continues. But Ukraine is not supplying new weapons to Georgia for political reasons (Moscow's righteous anger). The place of the Ukrainians in the air defense segment was taken by the French from Thales - the suppliers of the RF Ministry of Defense, not to mention the Mistral of the same French for the RF ... If the Russians do not arm Baku, others will take their place. Ukraine would very much like to. For example, on armored vehicles, and the same helicopters. Moreover, Ukraine is already a large exporter of arms to Azerbaijan. The Ukrainian-South African variant of the Mi-24 was purchased by Baku, and it is not worse, but rather better than the Mi-35. Ukraine supplies Baku with wheeled armored vehicles, and very much wants to "fuse" new tanks (Oplot) and modernized second-hand T-72, as well as modernize the Azerbaijani old T-55-62, which are available in Baku in large quantities. About a month ago, Baku bought Ukrainian complexes RTR Kolchuga. Only Russia is a major geopolitical player, and spit on the national sentiments of the hot-spot countries (Armenia, Azerbaijan) and sells weapons to both. Ukraine cannot afford such dizziness from silushka, and only sells Baku .. Attempts to sell to Armenians ended in scandal.

[Mak]

Aeneas, what are you fooling me about "spitting on national sentiments"? You (YOU - Ukraine) sold equipment to this 2nd Hitler Saakashvili! I don't need to sing here about some private companies! You want to say that the Ukrainian authorities did not know what was going on in their own country, who was selling what and to whom?)) Laughter.

[Aeneas]

Quote: Mak

Aeneas, what are you fooling me about "spitting on national sentiments"? You (YOU - Ukraine) sold equipment to this 2nd Hitler Saakashvili! I don't need to sing here about some private companies! You want to say that the Ukrainian authorities did not know what was happening in their own country, who was selling what and to whom?)) Laughter

You (Russia) are selling this second Hitler. For you are successfully purchased by thermal imagers and avionics Thales, and bought from the French Mistral, you also have a stake in EADS. This is how everything can be changed, because it was the French who were engaged in deliveries to Georgia Russia is stronger than Ukraine, and can allow arming Baku and Yerevan at the same time, and Paris is stronger than Moscow and arms the "second Hitler" also due to Russian investments and money earned on sales in Russia :-(

[Mak]

Clear. You are inadequate.

[Alexander Romanov]

And Paris is stronger than Moscow, you tell Napoleon.

[Aeneas]

Which Napoleon? Bonaparte, cake, Bonaparte III. Give flies and cutlets separately. Glorious history and modernity have a connection, but the further in time, the more indirectly.

[Alexander Romanov]

Aeneas, don't make a fool of yourself.

[Aleksey67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Aeneas, don't make a fool of yourself.

Alexander, let's observe the rules of courtesy and not slide down to the level of bazaar traders. Aeneas defends his country and does it correctly and as reasonably as possible. I honestly do not understand those who minus it for quite normal comments (I try to level it with my "+")
By the way, here it is enough to read the "polemics" of Armenian and Azerbaijani patriots in order to imagine the difference between civilized and "not very" peoples (though not peoples, but individual representatives)

[PIDR MODERATOR]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS W * P * O * D ​​WHICH BANES MY LOGIN HERE IS CONSTANT, BUT THIS U-R-O-D VERY REASON THAT BANES ME FOR NO CAUSE. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT I HAVE TO HELP YOU BUILT IN YOU? So that you know what you cleaned up after me? YOU ARE FASCIST OF FEATS, YOU DO NOT HAVE A GRAM OF RESPECT FOR UUURRROOOODDD. YOU ARE ** KILLING ME. YOU UUURRROOOODDDD DO NOT BANGE THE ARMENIANS AND THOSE WHO INSURES THE AZERBAIJAN PEOPLE, BUT THE AZERBAIJANI USERS AT THE SAME BANISH? I AM YOUR CARDABALET ON THE MOST NIGHT. TOMORROW FROM MORNING TO EVENING WILL BE CLEARING ALL WORDS WHICH I AM ADDRESSING TO YOU. BECAUSE REQUIRES RESPECT FOR YOURSELF? FOR WHAT? FOR YOUR FASCIST RELATIONSHIP TO MY NATION? MODERATOR, YOU'RE FINISHED AT * P * O * D. NOW I WILL SHOW YOU HOW I WILL HAVE YOU !!! S * U * K * A DRESSED. FASCIST. IF YOU DO NOT RELAX, I WILL GO INTO MORE ONCE .... DO NOT MAKE ME TO DO SO ON THE MAIN PAGE OF THE AZERBAIJANI FLAG WISE, WITH THE WORDS OF THE MODERATOR OF THIS SAYDOORUDU. OR YOU AS A MAN WILL MODERATE A SITE, OR I WILL MAKE YOU A LONG TURN OUT. FASCIST. YOU ARE NOT A MALE ONCE BANED FOR NO REASON. YOU'RE THE END OF TVAAAARR, AS A SUBSIDIARY OCCASION THE LAST BANISH OF USERS FROM AZERBAIJAN ..... YOU ARE PAAADDDLLAAAAA AND ALL THE PAAADDDLOOOOY WILL STAY. DON'T GIVE GOD, TAKEN MY PROFILE ONCE AGAIN, I WILL MAKE A HELP FROM THIS SITEAAA.
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[Aeneas]

I liked your humor joke about Napoleon. Therefore, I asked you to clarify which Napoleon? First or Third. Everything is clear with the first, but the army of Napoleon III participated in a coalition of allies against Russia in the Crimean War. With the corresponding results for Russia.

[Aleksey67]

Quote: Aeneas

and Paris is stronger than Moscow

Ha ha ha, at all times Russia either beat the French, or liberated them from the "oppression of the occupiers", read how long they held out against Hitler. However, it is incorrect to compare, in Russia there are many regions that exceed the area of ​​all of France. By the way, your speech reminded me of the proud speeches of the Ukrainians in the 90s "we will throw off the backward Russians and we will live like the second Khfrantia" History has put everything in its place, determining who is the breadwinner and who is the "backer"

[Aeneas]

Well, let's remember the times of Ochakov and the conquest of the Crimea ... essesno Russia has the second or first nuclear potential in the world and is therefore immensely strong. France has its own interests, and in the complex of its political, economic and military components, it can afford an independent policy, including from Russia, including the sale of weapons .... What kind of "backbones Russians", where did you get such heresy?

[aksakal]

Liked
Especially this:

Quote: Aeneas

and Paris is stronger than Moscow and arms the "second Hitler" also due to Russian investments and money earned on sales in Russia

made laugh, made laugh. I immediately recall Napoleon, as well as World War II, to which France was none. Nothing remains, for all attempts
I do not see France as a military force worth anything. Yes, there are Mistral and this Thales, but it does not mean anything. It simply means that France is a power developed in scientific and industrial relations and does not at all mean that it is also developed militarily. And in military terms, at the seams of France, the war in Libya clearly showed this. And while she France manages to write military doctrines on the topic, if Russia is too much actin in the Caucasus, will use military force.
Well, Russia is active in the Caucasus, so what? Why do not apply their doctrine? She has the force of law, let them obey the law. Especially since there is a foreign legion, what has it become?

[Aleksey67]

Quote: Aeneas

Ukrainian companies, by the way private, created the configuration of the Georgian air defense system and air security in the civilian segment. Ukrspetsexport also earned on the supply of armored vehicles, air defense systems (SAM, radar, RTR), aviation (helicopters). It was all ...

Well, they sold and sold, but here's how to explain the removal from combat duty of air defense systems (which Ukraine itself does not have enough to cover its sky) and sending them to Georgia? This is "undermining the country's defenses" and Yushchenko got away with all this, armored vehicles were also supplied at ridiculous prices, however, the budget of Ukraine did not see this money either. The fact that the air defense was controlled by Ukrainian techies is no longer a secret to anyone, but the demarche undertaken in Sevastopol when our ships were returning still amuses Internet users

[Aeneas]

I will try to explain and label myself as "pro-American (pro-Georgian) inadequacy These complexes were not removed from combat duty (Buk), they were at the plant in Balakleya (this is a repair plant), and many hundreds of weapons were accumulated at such factories, taken out of service, used as spare parts, in the absence of funding for repairs, which had been there for years (decades ). In general, there are a lot of air defense systems left in Ukraine since the days of the Union, and it is more efficient to use the S-300 and S-200, and not Buki, which, incidentally, is happening. An order appeared - they sold it, because no one canceled eating hochezzo, nuu and gesheft of those in power. The situation is the same for tanks. The prices are very low, because Ukraine melts the T-72 at the price of scrap metal, some countries simply send tanks to the bottom to create artificial reefs, and then there is modernization, work for factories and such and such money and taxes. Under the last contract with Ethiopia, modernized T-72s sell for 500 thousand dollars. And money in the budget, as it were, was not planned. The country's budget is not formed from arms contracts, after all. And in general, nikhto and in a nightmare did not represent the war between Russia and Georgia. "Demarch in Sevastopol" is, of course, the apotheosis of the apotheosis. The Ukrainian boat stood on demagnetization, and the Russian one forgave past, and even turned an artillery mount towards the Ukrainians (I hope this is the stupidity of an excited idiot). Well, then the information machine started working, which did not submit information, but propaganda. Which is quite understandable, everyone does this, because the war is going on. What does Ukraine have to do with it?

[Mak]

Oga, and Ukrainian specialists were delivered to Georgia along with tanks. Of course! Who buys a tank, air defense, etc. without crew ...

And can you still recall how Ukrainian, so-called, volunteers fought on the side of the Chechens during the Russian-Chechen war? And then you tell me about business, politics, etc.

[Aeneas]

You have some kind of slave ownership

Quote: Mak

Oga, and Ukrainian specialists were delivered to Georgia along with tanks. Of course! Who buys a tank, air defense, etc. without crew ..

Essessno with crews, with reserves of lard, chapel and vodka Russia annually sells more than 10 lard of weapons and the delivery set lists crew members and combat crews from somewhere near Ryazan, Vyatka or Elabuga

[igor67]

Aenev Bouve steam motor +++

[Sniper 1968]

Aeneas,

Quote: Aeneas

with crews, with reserves of lard, chapel and vodka

Shaw tse takey: vodka? Little monkey?

[PIDR MODERATOR]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS W * P * O * D ​​WHICH BANES MY LOGIN HERE IS CONSTANT, BUT THIS U-R-O-D VERY REASON THAT BANES ME FOR NO CAUSE. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT I HAVE TO HELP YOU BUILT IN YOU? So that you know what you cleaned up after me? YOU ARE FASCIST OF FEATS, YOU DO NOT HAVE A GRAM OF RESPECT FOR UUURRROOOODDD. YOU ARE ** KILLING ME. YOU UUURRROOOODDDD DO NOT BANGE THE ARMENIANS AND THOSE WHO INSURES THE AZERBAIJAN PEOPLE, BUT THE AZERBAIJANI USERS AT THE SAME BANISH? I AM YOUR CARDABALET ON THE MOST NIGHT. TOMORROW FROM MORNING TO EVENING WILL BE CLEARING ALL WORDS WHICH I AM ADDRESSING TO YOU. BECAUSE REQUIRES RESPECT FOR YOURSELF? FOR WHAT? FOR YOUR FASCIST RELATIONSHIP TO MY NATION? MODERATOR, YOU'RE FINISHED AT * P * O * D. NOW I WILL SHOW YOU HOW I WILL HAVE YOU !!! S * U * K * A DRESSED. FASCIST. IF YOU DO NOT RELAX, I WILL GO INTO MORE ONCE .... DO NOT MAKE ME TO DO SO ON THE MAIN PAGE OF THE AZERBAIJANI FLAG WISE, WITH THE WORDS OF THE MODERATOR OF THIS SAYDOORUDU. OR YOU AS A MAN WILL MODERATE A SITE, OR I WILL MAKE YOU A LONG TURN OUT. FASCIST. YOU ARE NOT A MALE ONCE BANED FOR NO REASON. YOU'RE THE END OF TVAAAARR, AS A SUBSIDIARY OCCASION THE LAST BANISH OF USERS FROM AZERBAIJAN ..... YOU ARE PAAADDDLLAAAAA AND ALL THE PAAADDDLOOOOY WILL STAY. DON'T GIVE GOD, TAKEN MY PROFILE ONCE AGAIN, I WILL MAKE A HELP FROM THIS SITEAAA.
YOU WILL NEED THE HOURS TO CLEAN ALL POSTS. OR MODERATE AS A PERSON AND NOT SOMETHING, OR GO ON KUI AND LET NORMAL PEOPLE MODERATE.

PIIIIIDDRRR SITE MODERATOR!

[Sniper 1968]

Mak,

Quote: Mak

can you still recall how the Ukrainian, so-called, volunteers fought on the side of the Chechens

Incorrect answer. The Russians also fought, and there are many more. Shaitans have no nationality. Just not people ...

[Aleksey67]

Quote: Aeneas

The Ukrainian boat stood on demagnetization, and the Russian boat passed by, and even deployed an artillery mount towards the Ukrainians (I hope this is the stupidity of an excited idiot). Well, then the information machine started working, which did not provide information but propaganda. Which is understandable, everyone is doing it, because the war is on. From only where does Ukraine come from?

Well here are photos and comments of witnesses of what happened

http://webpark.ru/comment/mirag-idet-domoy

[David]

Super. I haven’t laughed like that for a long time

[Aeneas]

I read, written in the style of Boa constrictor, the pictures were taken from an Internet and do not correspond to the realities of that incident. If you draw information from jokes - this is your right.

[Aleksey67]

Quote: Aeneas

pictures taken from the internet and do not correspond to the realities of that incident

Here is a photo, it is also taken from the Internet, this is the official photo of the Mirage's call to the Sevastopol Bay, what is the Kakhovka doing there on the fairway? Is it worth demagnetizing?

[Aeneas]

and what does this photo mean? I’m not good at navigating, but I see that Kakhovka stands still (there are no breakers) Mirage has enough space ... What is the plan of the crafty Ukrainians?

[Aleksey67]

Quote: Aeneas

and what does this photo mean? I’m not good at navigating, but I see that Kakhovka stands still (there are no breakers) Mirage has enough space ... What is the plan of the crafty Ukrainians?

Remember what Yushchenko was doing at that time, then he was going to not let the Black Sea Fleet ships leave Sevastopol without a clear route (insanity, Russian ships should coordinate the route with the President of Ukraine ), then loudly announced that he did not let the ships back to Sevastopol (which was done, but Yushchenko did not take into account the technical condition of the Ukrainian Navy and screwed up), what else can this "Kakhovka" do in the fairway, if before that it was at the pier? And then "Mirage" returns, and in the bay there is a new "floating buoy" .
In general, even for me, a Russian citizen, it is a shame to watch the West "wipe their feet" about Ukraine
Here from the last

UEFA: Euro 2012 may be rescheduled May 1, 2012, 15:54

The European Football Federation may decide to postpone the European Football Championship planned for the summer due to the situation in Ukraine.


This was stated by UEFA representative Martin Cullen to the German newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung, commenting on the bombings in Dnepropetrovsk at the end of last week and the case of the concluded ex-head of the Ukrainian government Yulia Tymoshenko.

UEFA Operations Director Martin Cullen, Director of the Euro 2012 Ukraine Organizing Committee Markiyan Lubkivsky, winner of the children's art contest Darina Kovtun and President of the Football Federation of Ukraine Grigory Surkis during the presentation of tickets for Euro 2012


«We are watching this daily. Platini takes this seriously. If the situation becomes dangerous, there will be no championship", - quotes Cullen TVN24.

He noted that the European Federation does not expect the postponement of Euro 2012, but does not exclude such a possibility, UNIAN reports. Such statements were made by UEFA officials for the first time.

At the same time, Cullen ruled out the possibility of holding Euro 2012 matches instead of Ukraine in Germany, calling the postponement of the championship the only way out if they for some reason could not be held in four Ukrainian cities.

“Such a process cannot be implemented so quickly,” said a UEFA representative.

Over the past few days, politicians in several European states, in particular Germany and Italy, have called on the European Union to boycott the Euro 2012 matches that will be held in early summer in Ukraine because of the Tymoshenko case, which they consider “politically motivated”.

These clowns themselves provide objects for the CIA prisons, but they are "democratic" and "civilized", and here Zhulka is offended They tried to run into VVP about Khodor, he answered them, they are still “shaking under the blankets,” the second attempt with Magnitsky was, they also got a “turn from the gate”. We will see how you, with your "multi-vector" nature, can answer ...

[Sniper 1968]

Quote: Mak

Forgot how Ukraine supplied arms of Georgia against Russia and South Ossetia?

You’re juggling, mate. In Ukraine, Yushchenko, an American prostitute, half-American, half-man was in power. And his wife was American, like Saakashvili’s necktie.

[Mak]

Sniper 1968,
First, they themselves elected him.
Secondly, nobody particularly bothered him (although I may be wrong here). Could and impeachment roll ....

[Sniper 1968]

Mak,

Quote: Mak

First, they themselves elected him.

Of course, they elected. The states pumped so much dough! They also sponsored orange fuss in Kiev. Geopolitics, Max. If Ukraine reunites with Russia, this will be a turning point in modern history. Good luck.

[nycsson]

Quote: Sniper 1968

Of course, they elected. The states pumped so much dough! They also sponsored orange fuss in Kiev. Geopolitics, Max. If Ukraine reunites with Russia, this will be a turning point in modern history. Good luck.

Reunite, we have nowhere to go! Enemies overtook us from all sides, enemies and American hangers-on, who sold their souls to them .......

[zevs379]

Quote: Mak

Firstly, they elected him themselves. Secondly, no one really bothered him (although I may be wrong here). Could and impeachment roll ....

We chose the same fight, so what? How many times have you tried to impeach him to roll in - did it work?
So far, the fifth column in the government and parliament will be led from the State Department.
Only a rigid vertical saved.

[Azmaz]

Dear forum users.
I apologize in advance (to ORDERED USERS), for a checkmate, but I see, here the moderator from all AHU-EL !!! Fear lost to the fullest!
Not only is he a FULL UR-OD, Fascist, ZAS-RA-NEC and MU-DAK, but he also violates the RULES of the site.

So what kind of MODERATOR is he if UR-OD does not fulfill his DUTIES? And more than once I noticed his policy of double standards.

Here are the RULES

And here is an example

SO ASKED. MODER BLA-YT, WHICH XX-UU-YA YOU DO NOT REMOVE THESE POS? ANSWER PIIIDDDDRRRR?

WHAT DO YOU THINK FORBIDDING ME AND EVERYTHING? YES KUI THROUGH SHOULDER UUURROOOODDD. BUUUDDDUUUU TEEEBYWAY LONGOOOO EEEEBBAAAT AND YOU ARE SAME ON THE SITE, UNTIL YOU DAAAUUUNN YOU DO NOT COME TO YOURSELF.

I SAID TO YOU THAT I WILL MAKE IT FROM THIS SITE, BUT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANY UNDERSTANDING.

I'm watching you. Until you delete all the posts that offend Azerbaijan, I will bring you to the white knee.

PS David GANDDOND and the moderator is WORSE worse than PIIIDDRDRR that he does not delete his posts, where he offends the USERS.

[escobar]

Well, you also elected Yeltsin more than once, didn’t think that he would throw Russia to plunder the scum.

[Mak]

This is what offended you? He did not conduct politics against you (Ukrainians), unlike your Yushchenko. We are talking about relations between Russia and Ukraine. So you're past the checkout.

[escobar]

Well, stop it: we chose Yusch, you are EBN. I would have known the ransom would have lived in Sochi. Now understand?

[Mak]

Enough to slow you down. Yeltsin drove, you can say, on the tank to the presidency, but you elected him in a fairly clear and peaceful time, chasing Western sweets!

[escobar]

So did Yeltsin enter the tank for a second term? Or did you choose a tankman for the second time? And we didn’t pursue sweets at all, but for our rights and against bureaucratic lawlessness. But as often happens, they promise at first to cheat us first.

[igor67]

Mak,
generally led, after signing the agreement between Russia and Ukraine it seems 92 about friendship and damn pancake, our suppliers ran to Kuybyshev for repair kits, and there are big and fat, they said nothing to Ukrainians to sell above. and this is after 50 years of cooperation. so the breakup began

[Aeneas]

Quote: Sniper 1968

You’re juggling, mate. In Ukraine, Yushchenko, an American prostitute, half-American, half-man was in power. And his wife was American, like Saakashvili’s necktie.

It was a paradox. man, Yuschenko. For all his pro-Americanism, he withdrew the Ukrainian contingent from Iraq (numerous and important in the province of Wasit). What created for amers some difficulties. The same pro-Russian Yanukovych, at one time, voted for this expedition.

[Mak]

In fact, only in secret (shhhh!) Russia is just the same beneficial that their main adversary (and we all know who this is, the cold war did not end, as is commonly believed) was drawn into further conflicts. So here, Yushchenko wanted to annoy Russia. This is exactly the same policy.

[Sniper 1968]

Aeneas,

Quote: Aeneas

The same pro-Russian Yanukovych, at one time

I can’t understand Yanukovych. It rushes from one extreme to another. It wags the wheel, and the whole bus shakes ...

[Aleksey67]

Quote: Aeneas

It was a paradox. man, Yuschenko. For all his pro-Americanism, he withdrew the Ukrainian contingent from Iraq (numerous and important in the province of Wasit). What created for amers some difficulties.

Just remember what preceded it

According to some observers, Ukraine’s joining the multinational operation in Iraq had an unofficial goal - President Leonid Kuchma’s exit from international political isolation, which he got after a series of high-profile political scandals, starting with the Gongadze case to the scandal with the sale of chain mail radars to Iraq... “Ukraine then fell into a kind of isolation, it's true. And with the "cassette" scandal, and with the "chain mail" scandal ", - confirmed Yevhen Marchuk, who was the Minister of Defense of Ukraine in 2003 [1].

Following the US military victory over Saddam Hussein’s regime, President George W. Bush called on the international community to participate in “establishing democracy” in Iraq. President Kuchma, among many other world leaders, has proposed the deployment of Ukrainian troops to Iraq. The Verkhovna Rada at that time was almost completely controlled by the president. On the issue of sending troops, support was received even from the opposition faction Viktor Yushchenko, Our Ukraine. Both Kuchma and Yushchenko, apparently, were counting on a certain political benefit from this decision.

In mid-May 2003, an informed senior official told Interfax-Ukraine that the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine plans to consider sending a Ukrainian battalion to participate in stabilization forces in Iraq [1].

On June 5, 2003, the Verkhovna Rada ratified a presidential decree on the participation of Ukrainian troops in the peacekeeping mission in Iraq. Only factions of communists and socialists voted against.

On August 7, 2003, the sending of Ukrainian peacekeepers from Kiev and Nikolaev to Iraq and Kuwait began. In response, George W. Bush promised Ukraine support "on the path to integration into European and Euro-Atlantic structures."

The grouping of Ukrainian troops (5th separate mechanized brigade), staffed on a voluntary basis, was, according to various sources, from 1600 to 1800 military personnel.

The Ukrainian brigade became subordinate to the command of the Center-South multinational division, which was based on the Polish contingent of troops and was deployed in the province of Wasit, 140 km from Baghdad.

Before sending the Ukrainian peacekeepers to Iraq, it was not known exactly what they would do. It has been suggested that they will protect oil fields. However, in Iraq, Ukrainians had to participate in hostilities. [2] As a result, by March 2005, 18 soldiers and officers from the Ukrainian contingent were killed, over 40 were injured.

Sentiment in favor of the withdrawal of troops intensified as the presidential elections approached. In May 2004, the Verkhovna Rada at a closed meeting [2] [3] discussed the issue of the withdrawal of troops, but did not support the proposal of the Communist Party of Ukraine, SPU, BYuT and a part of Our Ukraine, which demanded that the president make a decision on the urgent withdrawal of the Ukrainian military from Iraq.

As for Leonid Kuchma, he believed that Ukraine should fulfill its obligations, as well as other coalition countries, but in the end he recognized the need to withdraw troops due to increased losses among peacekeepers. In September 2004, in the midst of the presidential campaign, Kuchma sent his candidate, Viktor Yanukovych, to Iraq.

In the future, all the political leaders of Ukraine - Viktor Yushchenko, Viktor Yanukovych, and Leonid Kuchma, began to speak about the need for the withdrawal of troops. The Security Council of Ukraine, having discussed the problem, supported this opinion. Defense Minister Alexander Kuzmuk said in September 2004 that the decision to withdraw troops from Iraq could be considered final: "I believe that Ukraine has fulfilled its historical mission by participating in the anti-terrorist operation as part of the coalition forces from the very beginning."

[Aeneas]

Yushchenko voted against, and his faction partially. The expedition to Iraq was never supported by anyone in Ukraine, but Kuchma did not care. Could be and do not care Yusch, but he deduced. And the rest is right.

[Azmaz]

Dear forum users.
I apologize in advance (to ORDERED USERS), for a checkmate, but I see, here the moderator from all AHU-EL !!! Fear lost to the fullest!
Not only is he a FULL UR-OD, Fascist, ZAS-RA-NEC and MU-DAK, but he also violates the RULES of the site.

So what kind of MODERATOR is he if UR-OD does not fulfill his DUTIES? And more than once I noticed his policy of double standards.

Here are the RULES

And here is an example

SO ASKED. MODER BLA-YT, WHICH XX-UU-YA YOU DO NOT REMOVE THESE POS? ANSWER PIIIDDDDRRRR?

WHAT DO YOU THINK FORBIDDING ME AND EVERYTHING? YES KUI THROUGH SHOULDER UUURROOOODDD. BUUUDDDUUUU TEEEBYWAY LONGOOOO EEEEBBAAAT AND YOU ARE SAME ON THE SITE, UNTIL YOU DAAAUUUNN YOU DO NOT COME TO YOURSELF.

I SAID TO YOU THAT I WILL MAKE IT FROM THIS SITE, BUT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANY UNDERSTANDING.

I'm watching you. Until you delete all the posts that offend Azerbaijan, I will bring you to the white knee.

PS David GANDDOND and the moderator is WORSE worse than PIIIDDRDRR that he does not delete his posts, where he offends the USERS.

[Mak]

Sniper 1968,
What I’m talking about. They bought them themselves (let them at that moment). And the person here writes about some business to us. I am not against the Ukrainian people, but first I would have paid attention to my policy, and not to Russian. And then: in a stranger’s eye they see a speck, but in their logs they don’t notice.

[escobar]

If necessary, let them buy. Not from Russia, so they will buy from others. I hope the Karabakh problem will be resolved without the participation of military vehicles.

[David]

Escobar. God give it!

[Mak]

Plus! War is evil! (in the lens)

[Azeri2012]

Quote: escobar

I hope the Karabakh problem will be resolved in favor of Azerbaijan, without the participation of military vehicles.

Amine

[David]

Is this a line from the script of your new blockbuster?
Type "Azerminator"

[Azeri2012]

Quote: David

Is this a line from the script of your new blockbuster?

This is your future. You are smiling, but I would cry in your place.
Your story is dirty like worn cowards of the same Armenian prostitutes, in which their husbands talk about the pride of the Armenians and their wives are sitting on Turkish foam. I am already silent about your religion about Anais.

Your present, this is the life of gypsies, with outstretched hands begging around the world.

Your reality, no matter how you climb and suck, the Kremlin is selling weapons that we will use against you. Now think, will the Kremlin protect you if they sell you for a good price?

[David]

)))))))))))))))))))))))
cheap

[Azeri2012]

Quote: David

)))))))))))))))))))))))
cheap

Are you about your compatriots? I know

[escobar]

No need to distort my quote.

[Azeri2012]

Quote: escobar

No need to distort my quote.

But didn’t I write correctly or do you wish Karabakh to be part of Armenia, which as a country cannot exist?

[escobar]

You can write anything, but not on my behalf.

[Azeri2012]

Quote: escobar

You can write anything, but not on my behalf.

But what if I show you a text where the Armenians consider the native Kievans Armenians?

[escobar]

Almost every nation considers their ancestors, if not Anunaki, then at least Aryans. Well, let them consider themselves healthy.

[CCCP1980]

Quote: Azeri2012

Armenia, which as a country cannot exist

ya uje tebe govaril chto tvai mechti zagonyat vas v grobbbbbbbbbb

[freedom12]

YOUR MITS NOW I WILL SAY.

Space of hopelessness: why the residents of Armenia flee to Turkey

Despair is fear without hope (Rene Descartes)

But this is only the beginning. And then sooner or later a person becomes, as they say, the sea knee-deep.

Everything is very simple. Fear exists as long as a person believes that he has something to lose. And then comes the realization of hopelessness. For a single person, this is just a personal tragedy, which in the long run can become a good plot for a literary work. But when it comes to entire nations, this is already a national disaster, to which the rulers, as a rule, lead the nation. And an endless run from reality begins, moreover, in different ways and means.

The Armenian people have already reached the "handle", that is, to the point where people live with the awareness of hopelessness, and, as a result, without any fear.

One smart person said that the homeland is always the soul of the people. But, unfortunately, the state in the person of the ruling elite most often turn it into a cell for the same people. Moreover, the cage is not at all golden. In this case, it is specifically about Armenia. Here are the specific facts.

Most Armenian citizens consider unemployment to be the most important problem that the country faces today. This is evidenced by the results of a sociological survey conducted recently by the Gallup International Association.

Among the most serious problems in Armenia, 74% of respondents named unemployment, 42% of the respondents were most worried about the economic situation, 30% - inflation, 23% - migration, 13% - high taxes and 11% - corruption. Experts note that compared with previous years, the percentage of respondents who consider corruption and high taxes as the most serious problem has sharply decreased. There is simply nowhere to pay from.

It is noteworthy that according to the survey, almost 80% of the population have no hope whatsoever for a new parliament, which will be elected in just a few days. Only 8% of respondents expect both positive and negative changes. Thus, we can conclude that only 16% of the population still somehow reacts to the situation, moreover, exactly half with negative expectations. And the remaining 80% are calm. They realized the hopelessness of the situation and they just do not give a damn about any election.

The world famous French chansonnier of Armenian origin, the Armenian Ambassador to Switzerland Charles Aznavour, who certainly cannot be accused of "pro-Azerbaijani propaganda", sounded about the impending catastrophe. In an interview with one of the Armenian TV channels, he literally stated the following: "The issue of the diaspora is very serious. I cannot work and give money all my life. I give every year. When I die, who will give money? Who will build houses, build schools for children. ? .. "

As for Armenia, there is no work, and most likely there will not be any in the near future. Soon there will be no one who is able to work.

I will not compare Armenia with Azerbaijan. I will compare Armenia with Georgia, since in almost all respects the starting indicators of the two countries are almost comparable - both in terms of population, territory, and resource base. In the pre-crisis years, that is, for several years until 2008, GDP growth was observed in Armenia, experts say, primarily because of the construction boom in Yerevan. With the onset of the crisis, GDP fell by almost twenty percent. A drop in GDP was also observed in Georgia. However, in the first quarter of this year, Georgia, involved in regional projects of global importance and through them integrated into the global economy, has a GDP growth of more than six percent. And in Armenia this indicator is at zero. That is, there is not even hope for the restoration of the pre-crisis level of GDP.

There is simply no reason and no one to build for. Today, Northern Avenue with its high-rise buildings, which was supposed to be a symbol of the revival of Yerevan, is more like a ghost town abandoned by residents due to the complete absence of light in the windows after dark. It's just that no one lives in these houses.

Out of despair, the Armenians, as they say, make their legs out of Armenia. Moreover, not to prosperous Europe, or to the USA, where, it seems, no one is waiting for them due to the fact that they have begun to pose a real threat. The American agency Bloomberg has published a rating that ranks the states of the planet in terms of the addiction of their citizens to the use of legal and illegal drugs, gambling and alcohol. Armenia is on the fourth place in this not very respectable list, gaining 57,53 points of "depravity".

The Armenians are ready to settle, moreover, illegally, in "hostile Turkey", which, according to the majority of Armenian political scientists, is waiting and will never wait for a chance to "finally resolve the Armenian issue", or, more simply, to destroy all Armenians and Armenia. The number of Armenians visiting Turkey in March 2012 compared to the same period last year increased by 13%. This was reported by the press service of the Turkish Ministry of Culture and Tourism. In March 2012, 3909 Armenians visited Turkey, while last year the figure was 3469.

It should be noted that the number of Armenian citizens who visited Turkey in March increased by 22% compared with February: last month, 3225 Armenian citizens visited Turkey.

2011 visited Turkey in 72393, which is 4,5% more than in 2010.

The experts' hopes for a "forced" demographic boom associated with the "Arab spring" did not come true. The fact is that in most of the Arab countries, seized by the "revolutionary spring", there was a large Armenian diaspora, which watched the development of events with undisguised apprehension. Many Armenians left these countries. But no one began to seek salvation in the "historical homeland". Naturally, today there is no "iron curtain" and information about the real state of affairs in a particular country spreads around the world instantly.

Again, I will give a comparison with Georgia. In April 2012, more than 300 thousand people visited Georgia. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, this is an unprecedentedly high figure and exceeds the figure for the same period last year by 61%. Over the 4 months of this year (January-April), 978 people crossed the Georgian border, which is 521% more than the number of visitors recorded in January-April 45. In a word, comments are unnecessary. The numbers speak by themselves.

Seneca Lucius Anneus the Younger said: "They love their homeland not because it is great, but because they own it" ... And it becomes "their own" only when each individual person in the homeland has a positive perspective, in other words, hope for happy future. It's like the American Dream. By and large, the task of any government in any country is to create conditions under which people for themselves could create this hope. And it is impossible to "feed" the people to infinity with "greatness", moreover, historical, that is, of bygone days, no matter how much this "greatness" corresponds to the truth. You can admire the past, but not live it. People live in the present and hope for the future ...

And when it, that is, this one is not reliable, the Motherland turns into a space of hopelessness. What Armenia has become.

[Sniper 1968]

escobar,

Quote: escobar

. I hope the Karabakh problem will be resolved without the participation of military vehicles.

Don’t hope. Comrade Escobar will not be allowed. Hatred and fierce, inhuman malice will not give a peaceful way to this issue. Unfortunately ...

[Azmaz]

Dear forum users.
I apologize in advance (to ORDERED USERS), for a checkmate, but I see, here the moderator from all AHU-EL !!! Fear lost to the fullest!
Not only is he a FULL UR-OD, Fascist, ZAS-RA-NEC and MU-DAK, but he also violates the RULES of the site.

So what kind of MODERATOR is he if UR-OD does not fulfill his DUTIES? And more than once I noticed his policy of double standards.

Here are the RULES

And here is an example

SO ASKED. MODER BLA-YT, WHICH XX-UU-YA YOU DO NOT REMOVE THESE POS? ANSWER PIIIDDDDRRRR?

WHAT DO YOU THINK FORBIDDING ME AND EVERYTHING? YES KUI THROUGH SHOULDER UUURROOOODDD. BUUUDDDUUUU TEEEBYWAY LONGOOOO EEEEBBAAAT AND YOU ARE SAME ON THE SITE, UNTIL YOU DAAAUUUNN YOU DO NOT COME TO YOURSELF.

I SAID TO YOU THAT I WILL MAKE IT FROM THIS SITE, BUT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANY UNDERSTANDING.

I'm watching you. Until you delete all the posts that offend Azerbaijan, I will bring you to the white knee.

PS David GANDDOND and the moderator is WORSE worse than PIIIDDRDRR that he does not delete his posts, where he offends the USERS.

[Azeri2012]

I thought about it, I see how the Armenians are lying hypocritically hypocritical about the Russian-Armenian brotherhood, although I know that they lie. Lies, this is the essence of the Armenians.

Armenians at every opportunity tell how much they love Russia and Russians. This love is worth telling in more detail.

PROLOGUE
"The migration loss of the Russian population was observed throughout the 1980s, and by 1989, compared with 1979, the number of Russians had decreased by more than 18 thousand people, or 26,6%, and amounted to 51,6 thousand. people.

In the next decade, the departure of Russians from Armenia assumed enormous proportions: in the period 1989-1995, the Russian ethnos lost 28,6 thousand people as a result of migration exchange with Russia, or 54,9% of the number of Russians in 1989. "

"In 2001 [the number of Russians in Armenia was] - 16,5 thousand. Today, according to Ivan Semyonov, Director General of the Fund for Aid and Assistance to Russia to Compatriots in Armenia, there are about 12-13 thousand people."
(bbcrussian.com)

RUSSIAN REFUGEES
The Armenians drove all non-titular ethnic groups from "their" country. Russians are no exception:
"The total number of displaced persons among the Azerbaijani population is about 750 thousand people, which is significantly less than the" one million "that President Aliyev regularly operated on. However, this is still a very impressive figure. This includes 186 thousand Azerbaijanis, 18 thousand Kurds - Muslims and 3,5 thousand Russians who moved from Armenia to Azerbaijan in 1988-1989 (about 10 thousand Kurds and Russians moved from Armenia to Russia during the same period). "
Tom De Waal "Black Garden"

I saw a TV show about some Russian village where the president came. A Russian refugee woman from Armenia, from the Krasnoselsky region, where Azerbaijanis and Russians used to live, said that when they arrived in Azerbaijan and she heard the "Azerbazhan" speech, she was delighted, as if hearing something familiar.



PHILIP MARSDEN. CROSSROADS: TRAVEL AMONG ARMENIANS.
The book of the English Armenianophile, who traveled about Armenia in the late 80s, clearly testifies to the love mentioned. Here are some passages:


"
“No meat, no fuel, no food!” That's all you Russians took.
Turning around, I found myself face to face with an enraged woman and her three sheep.
- I am not russian.
“I only left my sheep.” Have you come to pick them up?
I assured her that there was nothing of the kind.
- Thief! Russian!
- Listen, I'm not Russian, and I do not need your sheep. She lifted her head in amazement.
- Why do you speak Armenian, you Russian? "

"A bus to Goris appeared at the pass, and I began to wave my hand. They didn’t want to let me in until I proved that I was not Russian. Then they didn’t allow me to pay the fare. In Goris, they caught a taxi for me, and the taxi driver was not only refused to charge me, but he himself tried to give me money so much that I had to refuse the twenty-five-ruble bill with the most ferocious air. "

"A woman was sitting in the hotel buffet with her hairy chin in her hand. She looked up and asked:
- What do you need?
- What do you have? “I have not seen a trace of any food.”
She shrugged.
- Meat?
- No.
- Cheese?
Negative head movement.
- Bread?
She went to fumble somewhere behind the counter, but returned empty-handed.
I managed to get a cup of tea, and I sat stirring it and listening to the rumbling in my own stomach when a group of shaggy fidains burst into the cupboard and settled in a corner with four bottles of vodka. They looked at me suspiciously.
I'm already used to situations like this.
“I am not Russian,” I said in Armenian.
One of them convinced me to sit down at their table. Soon the mustachioed woman brought food literally out of nowhere - plates of lamb and cheese slices, bread and dishes with herbs. Then the toasts and singing began, which continued until late at night. "

"Leaving the church, I saw a man sitting on a piece of broken cornice. A stalk of grass was sticking out of his mouth. I asked him for water. He chewed on the stalk and did not move. I told him who I was and what I was doing here, and that I am not Russian, and that I need water. He smiled, jumped off the stone and led me back to the church. "

“Just at that moment, a fedayin burst into the tea room. Throwing the machine gun behind his back, he looked around the room. Noticing me, he walked straight to me and barked in Russian:
- Come out!
“I'm not Russian,” I said.
“Come out,” he stood his ground.
Ashot launched into lengthy explanations - he said that I had met with the Armenians in Beirut and in many distant places, that I had come from afar and that I was a good friend ... Fidain looked at me again, and I said that it was so. "

And so on throughout the book. And at the same time, Starovoitova and Co. were sweeping their throats in Moscow about the most civilized and oppressed people.

***
Now this war is presented as the Armenian-Azerbaijani ethnic conflict. However, people of all nationalities fought against Armenian aggression. And they died as a result of it too ...

ARMENIAN LOVE TO RUSSIAN

HENRY MALYUSHKIN. HAT OF KARABAKH.

(excerpt)
“Looking ahead, I would like to note that despite the constant emphasis by the Armenian side of loyalty and friendship with Russia, she (including Z. Balayan) hid from the public the facts of the death of Russian servicemen in Nagorno-Karabakh and adjacent regions.
The same Zoriy Gaykovich, in an interview with the "Sobesednik" newspaper (No. 30 - July 1990), stated that "not a single Russian soldier suffered at the hands of Armenians in NKAO," although he knew for certain that ordinary soldiers were killed in a shootout with Armenian militants V. Kirillov, S. Mezentsev, senior lieutenant A. Lipatov, 8 servicemen were wounded. "

STARS OF COURAGE. SHOT FROM KARABAKH
(www.bratishka.ru)
(excerpt)
"Hero of the Soviet Union Lieutenant BABAK Oleg Yakovlevich
***
SUNDAY only at first turned out to be bright, sunny ...
A kilometer and a half from the village, local residents found the corpse of forester Shahin Mammadov. His cousin Garib Nazarov went missing. Azerbaijanis naturally came to the military for help. And where else should they go if there is only one local policeman in the village from the government?
Meanwhile, information about the two missing Azerbaijanis went "in a big circle", as direct communication with the battalion was hampered by the same picturesque mountains that "Khmarayu poviti". As if on a damaged telephone, Major Viktor Burdukov was reported: "Two soldiers were missing on the 16th." Although the phone was damaged, it was not child's play, the battalion commander felt something unkind and decided to send a maneuvering group to the outpost. There is a shortage of cars, as always. Fortunately, a "tablet" was on duty that day - an ambulance UAZ-452. Who should I send? People need reliable people, capable of making sensible decisions in the most difficult conditions, away from the base. There are many of them in the battalion, but they are all involved, scattered around the outposts, checkpoints. One word is tension.
The crew of the combat vehicle consisted of the chief of staff of the battalion Captain Igor Shapovalov, the chief of the brigade, "Afghan", the colonel of the medical service Vladimir Lukyanov, the most experienced senior sergeants, two Alexei - the deputy commander of platoon Bochkov and the sergeant major of the company Loginov. Private Alexander Lizogub was driving the "tablet". Gathered quickly - in full combat.
In the hotel "Berkushad" of the regional center of Kubatly, where the battalion of the Sofrintsy was stationed, the slogan "To complete the task. Return home safe and sound" was written on a kumach. Such is the frank visual agitation. It seems like at many civilian motor depots, where a drawn kid reminds drivers leaving for a flight: "Dad, we are waiting for you from work."

ALL TEXT I CAN PROVIDE. Very interesting.

[David]

http://rubsev.ru/2012/03/oleg-rusin-xodzhaly-i-srebrenica-istoricheskaya-pravda-
protiv-virtualnyx-genocidov /
The first Russian ambassador to Armenia, Vladimir Stupishin, recalls his trip to the border town of Krasnoselsk in the winter of 1992-1993: “They hit the city of Krasnoselsk and the surrounding villages, shoot from howitzers and tanks advanced closer. They bombed a bakery, a water pumping station and an electrical substation, hammering in a hospital, a district council, residential buildings, people on the street. Everything is aimed, knowledgeable, although there are no military bases in the city. They beat to scare, first of all, women and children, to encourage them to leave, to leave the border defenders without the main motive for their stamina. They, Azerbaijanis, need to go to Sevan. So the leader ordered. Elchibey promised himself three months after coming to power to taste Sevan trout right on the lake. It did not work out, but he did not give up his goal. The main thing for him was, of course, not trout. The main thing is to cut a narrow strip of Armenian land between the border and Sevan, create a threat to Zangezur from the north. They started shooting at Krasnoselsk in April 1992. Then they resumed in the summer. In December, a new series of punches. On the eve of my arrival, they beat me with special force. Killed fifty people, injured more than a hundred. Armenians have learned to defend themselves. Even peaceful Molokans are ready to go into battle, despite religious prohibitions ... In the same dispatch on December 31, I tried to draw the attention of the recipients to the situation of compatriots who directly told me that “Russia abandoned them,” but at the same time they did not believe that “ great Russia is not able to protect them. ” They would like to continue to live in the same place where their ancestors lived, but they cannot and leave, no matter where. By that time, 70 percent of the Russians there had already left Krasnoselsk. In January, when I was on a business trip in Moscow, the Molokans of Krasnoselsk gathered for a meeting and decided to ask the Russian leadership to help them move to their homeland, in one of the rural areas, where relatives from other places of Armenia could later come to them ”[My mission in Armenia. 1992-1994. Memoirs of the first ambassador of Russia].

[Kamila]

how much, the Armenian diaspora, paid this Rusyna ?? you are only on him and referring ... you have nothing more !!!

[David]

You, as always, have a monetary equivalent to everything

[Kamila]

and you, as always, dodge like a snake ... when there is nothing to answer ... (

[David]

Nobody paid Rusin.
He simply loves your tribe, for all your centuries-old atrocities and deceit.

[Kamila]

Quote: David

He just loves your tribe

in ... that's where we had to start !! and then like, an independent source, non-Armenian ... and so on .... he is an ardent chauvinist! (((he has "personal dislike", as your famous compatriot put it ... and there is nothing to refer to him ((((( ...not interested...

[David]

And when was the truth interesting to you?

[Azeri2012]

Quote: David

And when was the truth interesting to you?

Who is talking about the truth ... Armenian hahahahaha))))))))))) even the air you breathe is a hoax.

[Azeri2012]

The transfer of Yerevan to Armenia is different from what you cannot call mercy.

And here is the testimony of a very respected person:
http://zavtra.ru/cgi//veil//data/zavtra/10/868/81.html

Newspaper "Tomorrow" NUMBER 27 (868) OF JULY 7, 2010

Prokhanov
Awful Gorbachev Stain

"... I was an observer of the Karabakh process. I remember how the conflict flared up, when Azerbaijanis were expelled from the Kafan region of Armenia... The Armenians squeezed them out, drove them across the pass, old men with women and children. They drove out this Azerbaijani diaspora, which was hindering them. Some of these refugees died, some crossed the ridge and came to Sumgait. Sumgait was filled with insulted, beaten Azerbaijanis, it was also filled with bandits and rabble. And a terrible revenge began in Sumgait ... "

And today, official Armenia does not want to think about recognizing atrocities against Azerbaijanis.
And, in fact, Armenia is at war with all its neighbors: with Turkey, and with Azerbaijan, and even against Orthodox Georgia has territorial claims.
The attitude towards the Azerbaijani people can be called nothing but the wildest ingratitude. At the expense of this people, an Armenian state was created for some time, and the same people are being bullied.

[David]

http://rubsev.ru/2012/03/oleg-rusin-xodzhaly-i-srebrenica-istoricheskaya-pravda-
protiv-virtualnyx-genocidov /
However, from general reasoning, we turn to specific individuals. Is it possible to equate such an ardent communist as Alexander Prokhanov with the Nazis? Yes easily! In November 2008, the editor-in-chief of the Zavtra newspaper gave an interview to “political scientist” Sadaat Kadyrova, in which he stated: “In my opinion, the only way for Azerbaijan is to create a large army and conquer Karabakh” [1news.az, 21.11.2008/1991/1]. Thus, Prokhanov calls on Azeris to repeat the genocidal operation “Ring” (April-August 1) with scalping and dissection of corpses. And accordingly, on the Karabakh issue, the Communist Prokhanov is an ardent admirer of the bloody fascist dictator Gorbachev. If we dig deeper, we will see that Prokhanov is also an ardent admirer of the neo-Ustash leader Franjo Tudjman. In fact, first, Prokhanov in an exclusive interview with XNUMXnews.az suggests “conquering Karabakh”. And after a while, Araz Ali-zade, in an interview with XNUMXnews.az, said: “Azerbaijan needs to deal with Karabakh, just as Croatia did with Serbian Krajina.” Based on these historical parallels, we can conclude that Alexander Prokhanov supports:

Firstly, the fact that the lands of Western Slavonia and Kninsky Krajina, on which the Ustashi killed Orthodox Serbs in 1941-1945, were included in the Socialist Republic of Croatia;

Secondly, the fact that the administrative borders of Croatia established by the Communists were recognized as “state” by Western countries;

Thirdly, the fact that the Croatian army, with the support of the neo-Nazi bloc of NATO and the American military advisers from MPRI in May and August 1995, slaughtered and expelled the Serbian population of Western Slavonia and Kninsky Krajina.

Prokhanov also implements Goebbels's thesis in practice: “In order to believe a lie, it must be terrifying.” In 2011, this pseudo-patriot published the book Going to Fire, in which, in particular, he wrote: “From Kafan for the first time during the Soviet system, at sunset, in late 1987, the Armenians began to expel Azerbaijanis. The Armenians were the initiators of this bloody conflict, which continues to this day. There were very different motivations, but there was a dramatic situation when whole settlements were driven out of the houses under threat of destruction, under the roar of the crowd, under a hail of stones. And the Azerbaijanis left Kafan and went through the pass to themselves, to Azerbaijan. There was snow on the pass, and the transition became tragic. People fell, old people died, women carried children in their arms, children walked along these snowy paths. And this Kafan transition was reflected in pain and hatred throughout the entire Azerbaijani people. And on the other side of the pass in Azerbaijan is the city of Sumgait ... And there came the Kafanians, expelled from Armenia. They came with their tragedy, hatred, blood, losses and inflated the whole city with their drama. And after that the Armenian pogroms began in Sumgait ... ”[Chapter 21. Bloodied country].

Dear readers! Please do not be too lazy to pick up a geographical atlas and try to find the mysterious pass that Prokhanov speaks of. The distance in a straight line between Kafan and Sumgait is about 330 kilometers. To get from Kafan to Sumgayit in 1987-1988, it was necessary to go by rail through the following junction stations: Halafli, Horadiz, Dashburun, Sarajalar, Alat, Balajari (near Baku) and, finally, Sumgayit. The “pass” with “snow paths” between Kafan and Sumgait is a Prokhanov’s lie, which will be worse than Goebbels’s. Unfortunately, because of such falsifiers as Prokhanov, Russia still does not understand what role the myth of Kafan refugees, the Askeran incident and the massacre in Sumgait played in the collapse of the USSR. Therefore, we have to dwell in great detail on the background of the issue.

[Kamila]

Quote: David

“In my opinion, the only way for Azerbaijan is to create a large army and conquer Karabakh”

we will do so, Armenian ...

[David]

You’ve been trying to do this for centuries

[Azeri2012]

Quote: David

You’ve been trying to do this for centuries

unlike you, the toadies and the poor beggars, we build our army for our money, we have our equipment in the parade, our mullahs do not go with the QURAN ahead of the parade as an Islamic campaign. Etc

it’s unlikely that you will understand my words.

[Kamila]

and you, were not there several centuries ago ... but in Nakhchivan you were cleaned up great ...

[Azeri2012]

Armenian media scared by reports of Azerbaijani intelligence officers who destroyed Armenian soldiers

30.04.2012 13:56
The Armenian media literally replete with reports that the shelling of Armenian soldiers in Tavush near the Armenian armed forces near the city of Berd on April 27 was “carried out by an Azerbaijani diversionary group” consisting of professional intelligence agents.

Recall that earlier on Friday, Armenian sources reported that “three servicemen of the Armenian armed forces were victims of shelling by the Azerbaijani side of the border positions of the Tavush region of Armenia.”

The Armenian Ministry of Defense also issued a message confirming the death of three contract servicemen, but it did not specify where the shelling was fired from.

It is noted that a criminal case has been instituted on the fact and a preliminary investigation is being conducted.

According to the Haykakan Zhamanak publication, “a sabotage group of several people managed not only to cross the border, but also to go 150 meters deep into the territory of Armenia”.

“On the road leading from the village of Aygepar to the village of Movses, saboteurs threw a grenade and fired at a car in which the servicemen were returning from the city, then they pulled the servicemen out of the car and shot them, and then they used knives - they cut their throats,” the newspaper writes.

However, the official information regarding the incident, the authors of the publication remind, did not contain the details and details of the incident, the personal data of the killed were not indicated, and who and under what circumstances opened fire. However, the newspaper managed to find out that the dead were contract servicemen: David Abgaryan, born 1984, Aram Yesayan, born 1986, Arshak Nersisyan, born 1991

According to Haykkan Zhamanak, a colleague of the killed, 4 soldiers were in the car during the attack, but one of them managed to escape. During the shooting, he jumped out of the car and hid under it. Currently, the surviving soldier is in Byrd’s military police, and it is believed that he was not injured.

In turn, the head of the village Aygepar Andranik Aydinyan, in an interview with the newspaper correspondent, expressed concern that if the situation continues in this way, many villagers may leave their homes.

Recall that earlier President Serzh Sargsyan, shocked by the failure of the Armenian armed forces, burst into tirade against Azerbaijan, more reminiscent of electoral populism than the speech of a serious politician.

As it became known, there is no sabotage group, consisting of professional intelligence officers, about which the Armenian newspaper “Haykakan Zhamanak” reports, in this zone. Ordinary Azerbaijani conscripts serve here. If the scenario, which the Armenian newspaper writes about in detail, is true, then this is not the work of a "group of professional intelligence agents-saboteurs", but of ordinary Azerbaijani soldiers, distinguished by combat training and military courage.

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This story began in 2006, when Kazakhstan, led by then-Deputy Minister of Defense of the country, Lieutenant General Kazhimurat Maermanov, signed an agreement with Israeli companies IMI (TAAS) and Soltam Systems to acquire the Niza multiple launch rocket system ”, And modernization of the artillery systems“ Aybat ”and“ Semser ”. Also, military agreements were signed with two other Israeli companies - Aeronautics Defense Systems and Elbit Systems. The Israeli side was represented by Boris Scheinkman. The contract provided for the import of Israeli technology into Kazakhstan and the organization of joint production in the factories of the Kazakhstan company Kazakhstan Engineering, however, provided that third countries can purchase equipment produced in Kazakhstan only in Israel (1). In various sources, these Kazakh-Israeli contracts were estimated at approximately $ 190-300 million (1) (2).

In particular, the production of Niza multiple launch rocket systems was launched at the Petropavlovsk Heavy Engineering Plant, which was one of the giants of the Soviet military industry and at one time produced military vehicles for the Osa and Tochka-U complexes. The plant was supposed to produce Nise combat vehicles, transport-loading and command vehicles. The first models were ready in 2008 (3).

Kazakhs were encouraged by this project. They expected that on the one hand, they would begin to develop a military-industrial complex, on the other hand, the Kazakh army would receive ultra-modern weapons, which would be integrated into a single information-management system. In particular, for this purpose, Orbiter UAVs were purchased from Israel, and Soltam and Elbit Systems developed automatic control systems (2). All these achievements were demonstrated to President Nursultan Nazarbayev in May 2008 (2), which was also attended by Minister of Defense of Kazakhstan Ismail Iskakov and Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan Safar Abiyev (4).

In one of his interviews, the head of the department of armament and support of military equipment of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, Colonel Amanty Dzhutabaev also noted the possibility of interaction between the Tochka-U and Naiz systems (5). He also reported some details about the use of drones, noting that each division of the Nyza, Semser, Aybat systems should have an unmanned aerial vehicle in its composition, which will show the calculation of the division throughout the battle (6).

In addition, there were also good prospects for exporting these systems. As we have already noted, in May 2008 (to be more precise, May 7), the results of Kazakh-Israeli cooperation were shown to the defense ministers of Azerbaijan and Kyrgyzstan. In addition to Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan also showed interest in systems (7). According to the aforementioned Dzhutabaev, exports to other countries of the former USSR were also expected (8).

However, the Kazakh enthusiasm did not last long. Soon, information began to appear in the Kazakh press that all these Kazakh-Israeli projects had serious problems. In particular, by the end of 2008, Kazakh experts said that the use of Nise systems was unsafe for the crew, since the jet stream from missiles often gets into a combat vehicle or into the cabin, where people are at that time, and, for example, the bottom Aibat installations were deformed after firing (1). Kenzhebulat Beknazarov, a spokesman for the National Security Committee, said that 80% of the installations failed after several volleys (9). There were complaints about UAVs acquired in Israel, which, according to unofficial data, turned out to be outdated (2).

At the same time, although the press reports contained a number of errors, one can be sure that the Naiza, Aybat and Semser systems really have serious quality problems and do not meet the requirements, since this story was continued, and even Which: in April 2009, the Deputy Minister of Defense of Kazakhstan, Kazhimurat Maermanov, was arrested (10). Agree that in the post-Soviet countries, and even in Central Asia, the arrest of such a high-ranking official is somewhat unusual, so that the Kazakh-Israeli projects were really dead-end and unpromising, since the case got such a turn. The representative of Israeli companies, Boris Scheinkman (10) (11), was also arrested. As it turned out, he and Maermanov were close at one time and served together (12).

As a result, the damage caused to Kazakhstan was estimated at $ 82 million (12), Sheinkman and Maermanov were sentenced to 11 years in prison (13), and the Israeli company Saltam after the failure of this transaction began to reduce staff (14). It is noteworthy that, despite the requests of Sheinkman, nothing was done to release him (12), but he turned to Kazakhstan with a request to transfer Sheinkman to an Israeli prison (15).

Now back to Azerbaijan. And what does our neighbors have to do with all this? Prior to this, Azerbaijan was mentioned only in the context of interest in Kazakh-Israeli products, and in particular the Niza multiple launch rocket system, which, as we have already noted, was shown to the Azerbaijani Defense Minister on May 7, 2008.

Exactly 50 days after the demonstration of the Nise systems, on June 26, 2008, for the first time since 1992, a military parade was held in Azerbaijan, when, among other things, three Israeli Link MLRS with BM-21 Grad containers were also shown, “ LAR-160 "and" EXTRA ", which were held in one row. During the discussion of military resources on the Internet, some had a question why only three systems were demonstrated and why they were installed on the KAMAZ chassis. However, the news was so significant, if not sensational, that such trifles were quickly forgotten, especially since Azerbaijan showed other military equipment of Israeli origin (namely, UAVs), and already during the 2011 parade the number of Links was more .

In general, at parades it is not customary for combat vehicles to go in one row, usually there are at least two rows, but it would be difficult to put three vehicles in two columns. From this circumstance, we can conclude that Azerbaijan has just begun to receive the “Lynx” and during the parade on June 26, 2008, it had only three cars. In the same way, in 2011 BMP-3 passed one row, which, as you know, Azerbaijan has only three. This, of course, is a window dressing, but thanks to it, we know that in June 2008 the Linkes had just begun to arrive in Azerbaijan.

As regards the second question, in the parades in 2008 and 2011, the shown “Links”, as well as transport-loading machines were installed on the KAMAZ-63502 chassis. Here, we should again recall the Kazakh MLRS “Nyza”. The fact is that the name “Naiza” (which means Persian / spear / in Persian) was given to “Lynxes” of Kazakh production, which were installed on the chassis manufactured in Kazakhstan ... yes, yes, “KAMAZ-63502”.

So to summarize. The production of Links under the name Naiza began in Kazakhstan in 2007-2008, using the KAMAZ-63502 chassis, and the Kazakh Petropavlovsk Heavy Engineering Plant was the contractor for Israeli firms in the supply of these weapons. “Naiza” was first demonstrated to the Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan on May 7, 2008 in Kazakhstan, and on 26th, three “Links” on the KAMAZ-63502 chassis appeared at the Azerbaijani parade and you can be sure that at that moment other such systems in Azerbaijan did not have. The facts and the course of events give reason to assert that the Israeli "Links" demonstrated at the parade in Baku are in fact the "Nases" of Kazakh production, which, according to the Israeli-Kazakh agreement, were purchased from Israel. We also note that of the failed Israeli-Kazakh transactions, at least Aibat also appeared in Azerbaijan.

Unfortunately, this issue was not thoroughly studied at one time, due to which the Azerbaijani propaganda succeeded in both Azerbaijan and Armenia to create the impression that the Azerbaijani army is armed with cutting-edge Israeli technology. Meanwhile, in reality it was a question of a legal and unpromising weapon produced in Kazakhstan under an Israeli license, as we were convinced by familiarizing ourselves with the history of the Kazakh scandal.

Of course, it is possible (and there are some reasons to think so) that the Jews simply did not provide all the necessary technologies for the production of weapons, and that the Lynxes intended for the Israeli army are incomparably more successful systems. Such tactics are characteristic of the military industry in general, and for the Israeli one in particular. However, this version is also doubtful, since the “Lynxes” of Israeli production were delivered to Georgia at one time and were used during the Ossetian war. The Georgians were dissatisfied from the experience of the combat use of the "Lynxes", because of their low accuracy and the large number of unexploded missiles (see photo).

In this context, it should also be noted that in recent years, Azerbaijan has repeatedly stated its intention to establish a joint production of drones with Israel. Interestingly, the company Elbit Systems of Azerbaijan is headed by a resident of Azerbaijan, Eduard Chernin, who is Jewish by nationality. That is, the scenario is the same as in the case of the Kazakhs - joint production, mediated by Jews who have good ties in this country.

It should also be remembered that when an Azerbaijani drone shot down Artsakh’s air defense last year, firstly, it turned out that it was a previously unknown Hermes model, and secondly, in the course of discussions on a number of network resources, a “sloppy” appearance seemed strange to some UAV. It was a “created”, or rather, a surrogate specially molded for Azerbaijan.

[Azeri2012]

Kama Khanum, what do you think we will do in the fall, when they decide to show us high films, given the article below :)))))) I will participate, I will definitely participate in the pogrom at this shameful action.
Festival of Armenian films in Azerbaijan to be held in autumn 2012
“If there is a hint of provocation, then I have preserved from the days of the Popular Front, a notebook with numbers ...”
“I did not reject the idea of ​​holding an Armenian film festival in Azerbaijan, which I voiced immediately after the failure of a similar festival of Azerbaijani films in Armenia.”
This was announced by Vesti.Az Azerbaijani political analyst Zardusht Alizade.
“Holding a festival of Armenian films in Azerbaijan is a phased work. First, I need to get the films he picks up for me from George Vanyan. Then you need to organize a competent dubbing of films. And then organize watching movies.
I plan to meet with George Vanyan this summer in Georgia. I think that the festival of Armenian films in Azerbaijan will take place no earlier than this fall, ”Z. Alizadeh said.
He also emphasized that he did not receive any threats in connection with the desire to hold a festival of Armenian films. Also, no one forbade him to organize such a festival.
“I don’t ask anyone for permission to hold the festival, I don’t ask anyone for support - neither financial nor moral. This is my personal initiative. I am not afraid of any provocations. If I see that there is even the slightest hint of provocation, I still have an old, from the time of the Popular Front, notebook with numbers. I will call all my friends and 500 people will gather in front of the place where the festival of Armenian films will be held. This will be enough to frighten off cheap throats, ”Z. Alizadeh said.
Recall that on April 12 in the Armenian city of Gyumri the festival of Azerbaijani films “STOP” was organized, organized by the head of the Caucasus Center for Peacekeeping Initiatives Georgy Vanyan. The next viewing was to take place on April 17 at 16:00 in the Vanadzor office of the Helsinki Assembly. However, he was not destined to take place because of the aggressive behavior of the brutal crowd gathered in front of the Vanadzor office of the Helsinki Assembly and the threat of brutal massacre of the festival organizers.

And still say the beasts of Azerbaijan and do not want peace. So comrades from Russia, do not waste time persuading the world. They are not a nation worth living in peace with.

[Azeri2012]

GOOD NEWS



The first parliament in the world to cancel recognition of “Armenian genocide”

The Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea (ARC, Ukraine) may become the first parliament in the world that can cancel its own recognition of the “Armenian genocide”.
According to the head of the Azerbaijani community of the ARC, Ragim Gumbatov, a corresponding notice has already been made by the Verkhovna Rada of the ARC.

“The letter of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea addressed to us says that based on the results of the consideration of the letter of the prosecutor’s office of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, the Permanent Commission of the Verkhovna Rada on normative activity and legal issues developed a draft resolution of the Verkhovna Rada“ On canceling the resolution of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea of ​​19.05.2005 of the year №1322 / 4-05 “On the Day of the tragedy of the Armenian people,” R. Gumbatov said.

According to him, earlier the Crimean Azerbaijani community appealed to the Crimean parliament with a request to declare February 26 as the Day of Remembrance of the victims of the Khojaly massacre.

“In the response, we were told that the Verkhovna Rada“ decided to declare February 26 as the Day of Remembrance of the Victims in Khojaly does not have the appropriate authority, ”and many arguments were cited. In response, the Azerbaijani community cited an example of a canceled resolution, expressing its lack of understanding of the situation when a similar act was earlier adopted by parliament. The trial was conducted by the Legal Department of the Verkhovna Rada, which, after analyzing the decision, made a decision on the illegality and unconstitutionality of the resolution No. 1322 / 4-05. Following this, the Crimean prosecutor's office sent a letter to the parliament, which indicated the need to bring this decision in line with Ukrainian legislation. The Crimean Azerbaijani community, in turn, insisted that either the Crimean parliament should adopt a resolution declaring February 26 as the Day of Remembrance of the Victims in Khojaly, or repeal resolution No. 1322 / 4-05. I will say that we are satisfied with both the first and second options. Another would mean the application by the Verkhovna Rada of double standards, which is completely unacceptable, ”R. Gumbatov said.

He is satisfied with the resolve of the Council to repeal Decree No. 1322 / 4-05.

[Kamila]

Quote: Azeri2012

The first parliament in the world to cancel recognition of “Armenian genocide”

fine!!!!

[Azeri2012]

Quote: Camila

fine!!!!

This is just the beginning :) Sweden will consider this year the same genocide of the Armenians it has adopted. I am sure it will be canceled.

[David]

))))))))))))))))))))
Turks with Turks want to chat
Crimea is Orthodox.
Was, is and will be.

[Kamila]

Orthodox fascist ... ((

[Azeri2012]

The Killing of the Russian Military by the Armenian Fighters 1991 Karabakh
Russian filming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnL3bTfcdb0&list=UUIn0YX6_qSq18gEPGLKuuqA&index=5

& feature = plcp
let the Russian comrades watch.

Video: "Residents of Azerbaijan thank the Russian Slavic Soviet military, the Airborne Forces, Special Forces for the Protection of the multinational people of Azerbaijan from the Armenian militant bandits. Armenians with weapons drove livestock and herds, the Armenians built bunkers, the Aromians were armed with imported small arms, machine guns, grenades, machine guns and MANPADS technicians, stolen armored personnel carriers, cars and trucks. Armenians attacked parts and warehouses of the Soviet Army of the USSR

[nycsson]

Azeri 2012!
And what does the boy in the picture do for you, I’m embarrassed to ask!

[Azeri2012]

Quote: nycsson

Azeri 2012!
And what does the boy in the picture do for you, I’m embarrassed to ask!

Which is what every Turk does. The child admires the Armenian flag. This usually occurs after a long abstinence. And if, in all honesty, this is what every Turk and Azerbaijanian do when he sees the Hai flag

[nycsson]

Quote: Azeri2012

Which is what every Turk does. The child admires the Armenian flag. This usually occurs after a long abstinence. And if, in all honesty, this is what every Turk and Azerbaijanian do when he sees the Hai flag

If I were an Armenian, I would have answered you so that my ears would be curled up! Do not respect the Armenians, so at least respect yourself and those who correspond with you! So remove this heresy! I think that many will agree with me! You are our Azerbaijani, with the American flag ....... A normal and adequate person would not put such nonsense ......

[Azeri2012]

Quote: nycsson

If I were an Armenian, I would have answered you so that my ears would be curled up!

Who's stopping you from answering as an ally of Armenians?

Quote: nycsson

Do not respect the Armenians, so at least respect yourself and those who correspond with you!

Look at all the posts and then show me at least 1 post where they respect my nation. And I will delete the avatar.

Quote: nycsson

So remove this heresy! I think that many will agree with me!

I doubt it.

Quote: nycsson

You are our Azerbaijani, with the American flag .......

If you will be pleased, then I will change to the Russian flag. So will it suit you?

Quote: nycsson

A normal and adequate person would not have exposed such nonsense.

Normal people, they don’t pass through people on the tank and do not scorch the sleeping Azerbaijanis from the machine gun and do not pursue a policy of double standards.

[David]

Normal - chopped with axes. at night.
cheap

[Azeri2012]

Quote: David

cheap

Hahahaha :) Are you losing your temper offspring of Anais? Does my eyes hurt your high eyes?

[DimychAs]

Quote: David

cheap

You are on top !! you +

[nycsson]

Quote: Azeri2012

Who's stopping you from answering as an ally of Armenians?

What makes you think that I am an ally of the Armenians? I treat both ordinary Armenians and Azerbaijanis equally well! I understand that you have a long-standing feud, but a flag, a hymn, etc. must be respected, and especially not to show neglect!

Quote: Azeri2012

Look at all the posts and then show me at least 1 post where they respect my nation. And I will delete the avatar.

I personally respect your nation! But I think that your leadership is leading your country in the wrong direction!

Quote: Azeri2012

I doubt it.

But I didn’t! They removed it ......

Quote: Azeri2012

If you will be pleased, then I will change to the Russian flag. So will it suit you?

Yes, you change your flag .......

Quote: Azeri2012

Normal people, they don’t pass through people on the tank and do not scorch the sleeping Azerbaijanis from the machine gun and do not pursue a policy of double standards.

I think yours is not better ......

[mnb2012]

Quote: nycsson

What makes you think that I am an ally of the Armenians? I treat both ordinary Armenians and Azerbaijanis equally well! I understand that you have a long-standing feud, but a flag, a hymn, etc. must be respected, and especially not to show neglect!

I would like to see you if your women and children would be killed, another 20% of the land will be taken away in the dirtiest way, and they will also say that 20% do not acquire peace with us, another 30% should be given. Would you respect the coat of arms and anthem of such an hostile fascist country? I remember how Soviet soldiers burned the flag of Nazi Germany. For us they are like fascists.

Quote: nycsson

I personally respect your nation! But I think that your leadership is leading your country in the wrong direction!

Time will tell. We will see. But the people are satisfied. And rats and moles and jackals always happen. He is an intelligent politician. He has a work plan from one of the smartest peasant on our planet from Heydar Aliyev. And he will not advise his son bad + Moscow School of MGIMO + and all his childhood in the life of the KGB nickname.
So we trust him. He is the best candidate.

Quote: nycsson

Yes, you change your flag .......

The flag on the login can be different for me, this is so that they can’t ban me, and you pay attention to the flags in my avatar. This is the main point.

Quote: nycsson

I think yours is not better ....

Do not talk nonsense. Our tanks in women and children have never passed. Our soldiers didn’t rip open the stomach of pregnant women and did not kill the baby, our intentionally never killed the children, our never used fascist methods.

[escobar]

I fully agree with Uv. Nycson. And after such avatars they want negotiations. Learn tolerance from your fellow forum members. At least I haven’t such neighbors in Kirovabad.

[PIDR MODERATOR]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS W * P * O * D ​​WHICH BANES MY LOGIN HERE IS CONSTANT, BUT THIS U-R-O-D VERY REASON THAT BANES ME FOR NO CAUSE. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT I HAVE TO HELP YOU BUILT IN YOU? So that you know what you cleaned up after me? YOU ARE FASCIST OF FEATS, YOU DO NOT HAVE A GRAM OF RESPECT FOR UUURRROOOODDD. YOU ARE ** KILLING ME. YOU UUURRROOOODDDD DO NOT BANGE THE ARMENIANS AND THOSE WHO INSURES THE AZERBAIJAN PEOPLE, BUT THE AZERBAIJANI USERS AT THE SAME BANISH? I AM YOUR CARDABALET ON THE MOST NIGHT. TOMORROW FROM MORNING TO EVENING WILL BE CLEARING ALL WORDS WHICH I AM ADDRESSING TO YOU. BECAUSE REQUIRES RESPECT FOR YOURSELF? FOR WHAT? FOR YOUR FASCIST RELATIONSHIP TO MY NATION? MODERATOR, YOU'RE FINISHED AT * P * O * D. NOW I WILL SHOW YOU HOW I WILL HAVE YOU !!! S * U * K * A DRESSED. FASCIST. IF YOU DO NOT RELAX, I WILL GO INTO MORE ONCE .... DO NOT MAKE ME TO DO SO ON THE MAIN PAGE OF THE AZERBAIJANI FLAG WISE, WITH THE WORDS OF THE MODERATOR OF THIS SAYDOORUDU. OR YOU AS A MAN WILL MODERATE A SITE, OR I WILL MAKE YOU A LONG TURN OUT. FASCIST. YOU ARE NOT A MALE ONCE BANED FOR NO REASON. YOU'RE THE END OF TVAAAARR, AS A SUBSIDIARY OCCASION THE LAST BANISH OF USERS FROM AZERBAIJAN ..... YOU ARE PAAADDDLLAAAAA AND ALL THE PAAADDDLOOOOY WILL STAY. DON'T GIVE GOD, TAKEN MY PROFILE ONCE AGAIN, I WILL MAKE A HELP FROM THIS SITEAAA.
YOU WILL NEED THE HOURS TO CLEAN ALL POSTS. OR MODERATE AS A PERSON AND NOT SOMETHING, OR GO ON KUI AND LET NORMAL PEOPLE MODERATE.

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[Azeri2012]

The adviser noted that the Ottoman Empire paid special attention to national minorities, showed concern for them. "This truth must not be forgotten. National minorities lived comfortably, enjoyed religious freedom. It is true that during the First World War, Armenian terrorist organizations, together with the French and Russian military, massacred more than two million citizens of the Ottoman Empire. Studies have shown that the losses of the Armenians themselves in That period amounted to about 500 thousand people. In particular, the Armenians living in the US, due to the lie about the "genocide" receive large incomes. And the US government, due to the fact that there is a lot of money in circulation, does not oppose Armenians. Armenians stubbornly do not open their archives. because they do not want to lose the income they receive. As soon as the archives are opened, the truth will be revealed, "he stressed.

CONTINUED

However, in 1735, the Russians completely left the Caspian region. This, although not for long, but did not allow the Armenians to realize their vile plans.


The situation changed with the capture of the Iravan Khanate in 1827. After the capture of this khanate, Russia began to take measures to resettle the Armenians. The Armenian Catholicos Nerses Ashtaraketsi has prepared a special resettlement project. In turn, the "great" Russian playwright, but in fact a Russian spy in Iran A.S. Griboyedov (by the way, Griboyedov was killed for giving refuge in the Russian embassy to two Armenian women who fled from the shah's harem) did everything possible to implement this plan.

In a letter sent in 1827 to Yeghizar Lazarev (Lazaryan), Nerses wrote: “Now I have made the lowest request to the devoted defender of our Armenian people A.S. Griboyedov with a request to accept the captured Christians under the mighty flag of Russian rule. ... I also made a request to his Excellency (meaning IF Paskevich - note by Amir Eyvaz) regarding all the Armenians from Iran, and now I ask your Excellency, below, to persuade Paskevich to not forget to include in the agreement is an article on the free return to "Armenia" (quotes from Amir Eyvaz) under the patronage of the great Russian empire of Armenians from the cities and villages of Iran. "

Russian Ambassador to Iran A.S. Griboyedov and General I.F.Paskevich really "did not forget" about the "poor and oppressed" Armenians and decided to settle them on the lands of Azerbaijanis. Thus, Article 15 of the Turkmanchay Treaty says: "His Majesty Shah ... kindly sends down full and complete forgiveness to the entire population and officials of the region called Azerbaijan ... In addition, starting from this day, he provides one year of time to all officials and residents for free resettlement with their families from the Iranian region to Russia, for the transportation and sale of movable and property without any obstacles on the part of the local authorities and without imposing any taxes and duties ... "Griboyedov personally succeeded in including one more point in this article , which spoke about the abolition of punishment and persecution of those who, during the war, committed betrayals in favor of the Russians. The fact is that those who helped the Russian army were Armenians.

As you can see, Russia successfully relocated Armenians from Iran to the Caucasus. A similar agreement was signed with Turkey (the Adrianople Peace Treaty), which allowed Russia to resettle Turkish Armenians in the Caucasus. In just a few years, Russia relocated more than 130 thousand Armenians to the Caucasus from Turkey and Iran. And the resettlement policy existed in Russia until its fall, and was revived again during the Soviet period.

Another fact that speaks not in favor of the Armenians. Russian scientist Nikolai Shavrov wrote in 1911: "Out of 1 million 300 thousand Armenians living in the South Caucasus, more than 1 million people do not belong to the local population and were resettled here by us ..." However, those 300 thousand Armenians who Shavrov considered local, they were by no means aborigines, but moved here a little earlier - during the time of Peter the Great. Here Shavrov evidently was playing a trick so as not to stigmatize the great Russian chauvin ... sorry, tsar.

The fact that the Armenians were resettled is clear. But the Russian Empire went further. Peter personally ordered: "If the Armenians want to settle where, then settle them there, even if these are the lands of local Muslims, whom you will have to expel." Thus, Peter ordered to give the lands of Muslims to the Armenians, without ceremony with the locals.

But the Russian Empire not only resettled the Armenians, it rewrote the entire history of the Caucasus, "sticking" to it these ungrateful two-legged creatures called Armenians.



The most important thing that the Russian Empire did was the liquidation of the Albanian Catholicosate. Thus, the Russians untied the hands of the Armenians. The Albanian Catholicosate appeared in Azerbaijan during the time of Caucasian Albania. Despite the fact that Islam came to Azerbaijan, the Catholicosate was not liquidated, and those Albanians who did not accept Islam freely attended Albanian churches, of which there were very many throughout Azerbaijan, especially in Garabakh. Until the 19th century, these Christians continued to be called Albanians and lived mainly in Garabakh. When Armenians were resettled here, the Albanians demanded that they not turn the Albanian churches into Armenian. But then Russia intervened. The government in 1836 liquidated the Albanian Catholicosate. By the beginning of the 20th century, the Albanians had almost completely assimilated with the Armenians, and this is how the "Armenian" (but in fact, the same Albanian) community of Garabakh arose ...


Although the Armenians settled in the Azerbaijani lands of Irevan, Zangezur, Geychi and Garabakh, they still failed to organize their state until 1918.


However, the Russian Empire, and then Soviet Russia, did their dastardly deed, thanks to which the Armenian state appeared in 1918. The matter concerns the renaming of the Iravan and Nakhchivan khanates into the "Armenian region" immediately after the seizure of these khanates. On the basis of this, the Armenians demanded, after the collapse of the Russian Empire, the creation of "their" Armenian republic. However, during this period, the Armenians created their republic only in the Iravan region and part of the Goychin region, and the city of Iravan was donated to the Armenians by the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic in 1918 to create the Armenian capital. However, the ungrateful Armenians did not abandon their ideas to seize other historical lands of Azerbaijan. So, since the 1920s (with the establishment of Soviet power here) the eastern part of Goychi and the entire Zangezur were torn away from the Azerbaijan SSR and transferred by the Soviets to the control of the Armenian SSR. In Garabakh, the Soviets created the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region (NKAO) for the Armenians. In 1948-1952, the Soviets resettled thousands of Azerbaijanis from Zangezur (ArmSSR) to the Aran region (AzerbSSR) in order to eradicate Azerbaijanis from the "Armenian Soviet State". The purge at the state level continued until the collapse of the USSR.

Today, the Armenians, completely living in the ancestral lands of Azerbaijan, having shown their ingratitude and hatred of the Turks, occupied Garabakh, where thousands of civilians were exterminated, and more than 1 million people turned into refugees on their own land. But the fact that Garabakh is not an Armenian land is also indicated by the fact that even L. Brezhnev made a gift to local Armenians: a monument in honor of the 150th anniversary of the resettlement of the first Armenians in these lands. By the way, after the occupation of Garabakh by Armenia, this monument was destroyed ...


As we can see, the Armenians by their inhumanity, venality, and "Armenian submission" achieved from the West and Russia: the creation of their state on the lands of Azerbaijan, the recognition of Armenians by Europe and Russia as an "autochthonous" nation in the Caucasus and rewriting of the history of the East in favor of the Armenians. Only Muslims remained oppressed, and the "long-suffering" Armenian people in just over 2 centuries put an end to the lives of more than 1 million peaceful Azerbaijanis, destroyed the Muslim culture of Iravan, Goychi, Zangezur, Garabakh, destroying ancient mosques, palaces, cemeteries, monuments ... And Despite this, the whole world sympathizes with the "poor" Armenians, helping them with weapons and food, Russia gives Armenians weapons just like a "good" neighbor, and the US provides Armenians with Bush's legs and Reagan's cannons. And Armenia - this "dispossessed, oppressed" parasite on the body of Azerbaijan, despite 4 UN resolutions on the immediate liberation of the Azerbaijani lands of Garabakh, continues to terrorize Muslims and receive assistance from the West and Russia ...


In the end I would like to quote the “good friend and defender of the Armenian people” A.S. Griboedov, who, although late, saw the dirty and vile insides of his “wards” and wrote to Mazarevich in a report on September 11-13, 1819:

[Hleb]

On January 19, 2008, Senator Barack Obama said: “Two years ago, I criticized the Secretary of State for the dismissal of US Ambassador to Armenia John Evans, after correctly using the term“ genocide ”to describe the killing of thousands of Armenians in Turkey since 1915 . I shared with Kandalisa Rice my firm belief that the Armenian Genocide is not a statement, a personal opinion or a point of view, but a widely documented fact supported by overwhelming historical evidence. The facts are undeniable. An official policy that calls on diplomats to distort historical facts is a failed policy. As a senator, I strongly support the adoption of the resolution on the Armenian Genocide (106th resolution and S.Res.106) and as president I recognize the Armenian Genocide ”[59]. Since then, he has departed from these statements, saying only that his opinion has not changed.

[Kamila]

Quote: Gleb

As a senator, I strongly support the adoption of the resolution.

yeah ... everything is very simple, they all say so ... when the senators are so far, they need the voices of the Armenian diaspora ... but when they become presidents ... they depart from their statements ... not the first one, not the last.

[Hleb]

I completely agree! but I usually write for information, and in this case, for Azeri I wrote taking into account the US flag. Believe me, I don’t have any predisposition on a national basis. By the way, I have a friend from Azerbaijan (though a Tsakhorets) and there are a dozen acquaintances in general

after that, by the way, the Turks raised the sickly butthert

[Azmaz]

Dear forum users.
I apologize in advance (to ORDERED USERS), for a checkmate, but I see, here the moderator from all AHU-EL !!! Fear lost to the fullest!
Not only is he a FULL UR-OD, Fascist, ZAS-RA-NEC and MU-DAK, but he also violates the RULES of the site.

So what kind of MODERATOR is he if UR-OD does not fulfill his DUTIES? And more than once I noticed his policy of double standards.

Here are the RULES

And here is an example

SO ASKED. MODER BLA-YT, WHICH XX-UU-YA YOU DO NOT REMOVE THESE POS? ANSWER PIIIDDDDRRRR?

WHAT DO YOU THINK FORBIDDING ME AND EVERYTHING? YES KUI THROUGH SHOULDER UUURROOOODDD. BUUUDDDUUUU TEEEBYWAY LONGOOOO EEEEBBAAAT AND YOU ARE SAME ON THE SITE, UNTIL YOU DAAAUUUNN YOU DO NOT COME TO YOURSELF.

I SAID TO YOU THAT I WILL MAKE IT FROM THIS SITE, BUT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANY UNDERSTANDING.

I'm watching you. Until you delete all the posts that offend Azerbaijan, I will bring you to the white knee.

PS David GANDDOND and the moderator is WORSE worse than PIIIDDRDRR that he does not delete his posts, where he offends the USERS.

[Azeri2012]

Kama khanum, look at this video clip.

GAGIK SARGSYAN, married a pensioner from Russia Irina Ivanovna, the difference of 40 years did not bother him))) while he was married. For the sake of an apartment and registration in Moscow, Armenians are ready for anything

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYUKyeAhptc&list=UUIn0YX6_qSq18gEPGLKuuqA&index=1
0 & feature = plcp

[Kamila]

))))))))) I will definitely look ...

[David]

I understand that you are more fond of poking around in Mr. Ram, but in order not to disgrace in the civilized world, you better watch this

Armenia: The land of Noah
A documentary produced by The Buzz Business SL, Spain, 2008.
Directors: Jesus Sanchez Romeva, Niko Roa
Editor: Miguel Araujo

[Azeri2012]

Quote: David

Armenia: The land of Noah

You know, you hai, you do not just want Ararat (AGRYDAG TURKEY), you have appropriated it to you specially by fraud
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Noah's ark was supposed to somehow become Armenian, too, from here, you liars, began to ring everywhere that your Nakhchivan.
Purely high cheating, but for this you, *************** for yours, do it for a reason, do you want to take all Christianity values ​​to your hands? And then proclaim yourself almost the 2nd Vatican and the center of Christianity so that in the future all Christians protect you and at the same time milk the whole world like a cash cow, as you do now.
Just as the high traitor Andranik did not see his right ear, so you ****** children will not see Nakhchivan and Noah Armenian. NEVER.
So you will sound your whole life about Nakhchivan and about Noah. And Noah’s legacy will be Azerbaijani and Nakhchivan. And Agrydag will never be yours and will never become Ararat. NEVER. Die with this dream.

[Kamila]

Listen, you ... Armenian, in g * outside you like to poke around and all your vile kind !! you to my knowledge, my civilization .. grow and grow ...! meanwhile, all over the world, you are a disgrace !! do not write me anymore! I'm not talking to you here .. otherwise I will complain to the administration !!!

[Yarbay]

Gleb! First of all, determine Obama for you authority ??? then he is your pi.sina, then an authoritative person !!
Have you read the diaries of Lieutenant Colonel Tverdokhlebov ?? Reports of Lieutenant Colonel Gryaznoy, General Orashelidze, General Mayevsky about * genocide ** ??

[Hleb]

No, you decide who you are responsible for .. and then you harness for quotes of all kinds of Feins, rags .. I didn't give you the answer "for information", and not for persuasion. ... And if you have already decided to ask, then answer-When did I call Obama ... a dream? When authoritative? Like a man, then do not throw words to the wind ..
Personal opinion - The fact that Armenians were exterminated is a fact and no "reports" will convince me

[Yarbay]

Gleb, I do not know about Fenov and the newspaper, about which you write!
I'm not a dog wrote another word! It is not written here though for any * patriot * Russia it is favorite in the designation of Americans!
Do you know how many Armenians exterminated the Turks, Kurds at that time, and in general how everything happened ???
You usually know Gleb in communication with those who do not know this topic very well, and they say that it is impossible to convince them, that this is supposedly a fact !!
I knowingly wrote to you specifically Russian officers directly involved in those events !!
and these officers described the atrocities of Armenians against the Turks !!
Tell me, if you were at war with the enemy, and at this time, let's say some people in the rear would slaughter your family, what would you do ??

Here is an excerpt
The Armenian wave moving from Erzanjan to Erzurum destroyed the entire Muslim population of the region on its way ... The killings were accompanied by the most atrocious cruelties.

Second Lieutenant Mzivani testified, for example, to the general meeting of artillery officers of the garrison of Erzurum, that an Armenian soldier ran up to one seriously wounded but not killed on a tumbledown and tried to stick a stick in his mouth. The dying man gritted his teeth and the stick could not be inserted. Then the Armenian unbuttoned his clothes on his stomach and began to pound on his stomach with a heel of his shoe.

In Ilije, the entire Muslim population that had not had time to escape was slaughtered. The army commander said that there were children's corpses, in which the neck was literally turned into a fringe.

The second lieutenant Gryaznov, who had been in Ilija about three weeks after the massacre, told me, having returned from there on February 26 that he found such a picture: mutilated corpses lay on the way to the village and on the streets. Each passing Armenian certainly spit on the corpses or defiled them. The mosque with an area of ​​12-15 square fathoms was littered with two arshins high by the corpses of the murdered old Turks, women, children.

Female corpses bore rape. Second Lieutenant Gryaznov invited two female students (students) who were in the detachment of the Armenian to the mosque. Undergraduates served as telephone operators at the detachment. The second lieutenant invited them to admire the acts of the Armenians. To his surprise, these female students began to laugh gaily. He sharply told them that probably the Armenians are the lowest, wild race of the human race, even if girls with higher education are able to laugh at the sight of a picture from which he, an old, military officer who has seen the appearance and death of an officer, has frost on his skin ... ”

The Armenian wave moving from Erzanjan to Erzurum destroyed the entire Muslim population of the region on its way ... The killings were accompanied by the most atrocious cruelties.




Second Lieutenant Mzivani testified, for example, to the general meeting of artillery officers of the garrison of Erzurum, that an Armenian soldier ran up to one seriously wounded but not killed on a tumbledown and tried to stick a stick in his mouth. The dying man gritted his teeth and the stick could not be inserted. Then the Armenian unbuttoned his clothes on his stomach and began to pound on his stomach with a heel of his shoe. 




In Ilije, the entire Muslim population that had not had time to escape was slaughtered. The army commander said that there were children's corpses, in which the neck was literally turned into a fringe. 




The second lieutenant Gryaznov, who had been in Ilija about three weeks after the massacre, told me, having returned from there on February 26 that he found such a picture: mutilated corpses lay on the way to the village and on the streets. Each passing Armenian certainly spit on the corpses or defiled them. The mosque with an area of ​​12-15 square fathoms was littered with two arshins high by the corpses of the murdered old Turks, women, children. 




Female corpses bore rape. Second Lieutenant Gryaznov invited two female students (students) who were in the detachment of the Armenian to the mosque. Undergraduates served as telephone operators at the detachment. The second lieutenant invited them to admire the acts of the Armenians. To his surprise, these female students began to laugh gaily. He sharply told them that probably the Armenians are the lowest, wild race of the human race, even if girls with higher education are able to laugh at the sight of a picture from which he, an old, military officer who has seen the appearance and death of an officer, has frost on his skin ... ”



http://oquzxan.livejournal.com/1206.html
http://www.savash-az.com/GARABAGDOC.htm
with respect!

[Hleb]

Gleb, I do not know about Fenov and the newspaper, about which you write!

Well, you wrote to me for Obama? and this is probably from the comment, in the context of which was my answer Azeri2012?

I'm not a dog wrote another word! It is not written here though for any * patriot * Russia it is favorite in the designation of Americans!

what's the difference dog or another word, you clearly defined me

then he is your pi.sina, then an authoritative person !!

-no?

Do you know how many Armenians exterminated the Turks, Kurds at that time, and in general how everything happened ???

no, I don’t know, and therefore I do not say a word did not say that it was not..but I know how many Armenians were exterminated and therefore said this.

Russian officers described the atrocities of Armenians against the Turks !!

I also read about how our soldiers committed atrocities against the Nazis in the Second World War .. and these words were also Russian soldiers (and this is true, but what else to do with nonhumans?). I also know what the Chechens said about us. they said in person, although I didn’t kill a single person in this village, but in their eyes I was an executioner and a pig ..

[Yarbay]

Dear Gleb !!
When I wrote, I had in mind the Russian patriots, to whom I relate to you, perhaps I was mistaken!
2, you did not answer my last question! - Tell me, if you had fought on the enemy with the enemy, but at this time some people in the rear would have slaughtered your family, what would you do ??
3. From what sources do you know how many Armenians were exterminated ?? and have you read at least anything serious document about this ??
4. Here you say you were called the executioner even though you didn’t kill, but someone has stained it means your uniform ??
5.My almost all of the senior relatives were at war in the Second World War, many did not return, and I remember one of them told how the marauders were shot !! So do not confuse different things with a colleague!
Atrocities over fascists and atrocities over civilians are different things !!
Gleb cannot justify animal atrocity whoever does it!

[Hleb]

boxing began to look, so not willing to answer, but it is necessary. "patriot" is so contradictory perceived today by some that I just wonder how you can understand this word differently than it actually is?
2. Well, you know the answer. Naturally the same as any man
3. There are many sources. And video and reading and most importantly the testimonies of living people, I honestly don’t understand how you ignore it, if you want, you can put so much material here ...
4. Who tarnished? -See your question question number 2
5. Look at your question, question No. 2 (it all depends on which side to look, who is the enemy and the looter, and who is the fighter for the motherland and people, family)

Gleb cannot justify animal atrocity whoever does it!

“I absolutely agree. That's why it’s hard for people to understand each other. For a Chechen I’m an aggressor who came to his land, for me he’s a shaitan who killed children and came first to mine, to build a caliphate, trying to split the country. For you, it’s about the same between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Well, if the Armenians are to blame for all this, tell me, I’ll listen, maybe I’ll find out something new and useful

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[Argentum]

That Yarbay is a lie and put advantages for ourselves? Purely in Azerbaijani. I can offer you enough to carry nonsense? The site is generally about a military topic, and not in order to pour tons of f * ck on this site with its buddies

[freedom12]

Quote: Argentum

That Yarbay is a lie and put advantages for ourselves? Purely in Azerbaijani. I can offer you enough to carry nonsense? The site is generally about a military topic, and not in order to pour tons of f * ck on this site with its buddies

Well, given that you are talking about one thing in one topic, and another thing for Azerbaijanis, insulting them with rams, and seeing so much more, I understand them.

When it is not possible to prove with intelligence, one has to go to extremes.

[DimychAs]

Quote: Argentum

Purely in Azerbaijani. I can offer you enough to carry nonsense?

That nonsense is the national tragedy of Azerbaijan.

[Azmaz]

Dear forum users.
I apologize in advance (to ORDERED USERS), for a checkmate, but I see, here the moderator from all AHU-EL !!! Fear lost to the fullest!
Not only is he a FULL UR-OD, Fascist, ZAS-RA-NEC and MU-DAK, but he also violates the RULES of the site.

So what kind of MODERATOR is he if UR-OD does not fulfill his DUTIES? And more than once I noticed his policy of double standards.

Here are the RULES

And here is an example

SO ASKED. MODER BLA-YT, WHICH XX-UU-YA YOU DO NOT REMOVE THESE POS? ANSWER PIIIDDDDRRRR?

WHAT DO YOU THINK FORBIDDING ME AND EVERYTHING? YES KUI THROUGH SHOULDER UUURROOOODDD. BUUUDDDUUUU TEEEBYWAY LONGOOOO EEEEBBAAAT AND YOU ARE SAME ON THE SITE, UNTIL YOU DAAAUUUNN YOU DO NOT COME TO YOURSELF.

I SAID TO YOU THAT I WILL MAKE IT FROM THIS SITE, BUT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANY UNDERSTANDING.

I'm watching you. Until you delete all the posts that offend Azerbaijan, I will bring you to the white knee.

PS David GANDDOND and the moderator is WORSE worse than PIIIDDRDRR that he does not delete his posts, where he offends the USERS.

[CCCP1980]

Azerbaijan ljivaya propaganda

[DimychAs]

[quote = Azeri2012] YOU, I'm sorry but could not resist.

[Azeri2012]

Ter-Petrosyan: Madrid Document Provides Autonomy for Karabakh within Azerbaijan

The leader of the opposition Armenian National Congress (ANC), the first president of Armenia, Levon Ter-Petrosyan, at a rally on April 20 in the center of Yerevan, presented his point of view regarding the process of settlement of the Karabakh conflict.

As he noted, the Madrid principles, provided as the basis for creating the final agreement on Karabakh, were approved by the presidents of the OSCE Minsk Group co-chair countries (Sarkozy, Obama, Medvedev) and they cannot be changed already. The Madrid document, according to him, as a whole involves solving the problem on the basis of two principles - the right of peoples to self-determination and territorial integrity.

"This is a paradox, since these principles contradict each other. Comparison of these principles indicates that the Karabakh conflict should be resolved within the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan, that is, the status of autonomy (Karabakh) within Azerbaijan," he said, adding that The 1996 Lisbon resolution essentially meant the same thing, but "I vetoed while Clinton and others urged me" to do the opposite. He motivated his refusal with the thesis about the legitimacy of the head of state inside the country: "I was not afraid, because I was a legitimate president. There was no compromising material against me."

Kocharyan, in the opinion of Ter-Petrosyan, agreed to the Madrid principles, since he was vulnerable and if he objected, all incriminating evidence would be put forward against him. "For the same reason, Serzh Sargsyan cannot object (to the Madrid principles)," Ter-Petrosyan said. In his opinion, even if there is a change of power, you cannot turn back time, since "whoever comes to power will have to take into account the Madrid Document." Developing his thesis, the ex-president emphasized that the legitimate government can significantly change the document on three points:

"First, Armenia will not sign any document if there is no signature of Nagorno-Karabakh under it." Secondly, as he noted, before the signing of the document, the status of the Lachin corridor connecting Karabakh with Armenia must be resolved, since without it Nagorno Karabakh cannot survive. And finally, all questions regarding the holding of the referendum in Karabakh must be clearly specified and the international organization responsible for the referendum must be determined, Ter-Petrosyan summed up.

So, the EP's recent statements contain nothing new. Everything that was said there was clear from the very beginning, and Europe kept silent so as "not to harm the negotiation process." Now this argument has dropped.

According to Ter-Petrosyan. He is right, everything is so, only he (let us say so carefully) can make little difference, even if he acts as a president elected legitimately by European standards. He has two points:

1. I will not sign something under which there will be no signature of the Armenian Karabakh.

2. The referendum will be held under the supervision of an international structure.

The first point is easy to do, but does not change anything. It is clear that under the document determining the status of Karabakh (within or outside Azerbaijan) it will be necessarily signed by representatives of the Armenian community of Karabakh. And then there will be a document defining the boundaries of autonomy, it will also be signed by the central authority and the autonomy authority.

The second point is more dangerous. If he can achieve the holding of a referendum by an international institution, then this will be a recognition of the "no manhood" of Karabakh. After all, one of the main arguments in favor of Kosovo's independence was that responsibility for it passed to the world community, that Kosovo seemed to have become "nobody's" and the world community gave this nobody's country statehood, because "nations have the right to self-determination," and this a nation does not belong to any state.

But okay ... This is for the future, and Ter-Petrosyan is unlikely to be allowed to power.

Now about how I understand the meaning of the events of the last two or three years. Here it is necessary to make a reservation that there are three events in which I have a very unusual point of view: you can accept it or not, but you need to understand.

1. I am sure that it was Russia that drove poor Serge in a shameful (in Armenian terms) trip to Turkey. There were some secret contacts and consultations before, but only after Russia's loss of ground routes to Armenia after 08.08.08, Russia decided to establish a ferry route to Trabzon and further along the railway to Gyumri. It broke! Rather, it was foiled by Aliyev. No one expected this ...

Then for some time there was fuss around the Madrid principles.

2. My second discrepancy with generally accepted opinions: I am sure that it was Russia that forbade Serzhik to declare the adoption of the Madrid plan. All these long arguments that "pressure on Armenia" something and this is complete garbage! If Russia put pressure on Armenia, it was only in the sense that Armenia was categorically forbidden even to stutter about the Madrid plan, before Russia could squeeze its conditions out of Baku: now, not through Armenians, but Russia's direct military control over any territory, which will be left by the Armenian troops, naturally with the right of communications through the Azerbaijani territory to their troops and to Armenia. In addition, it was assumed that Baku will undertake a commitment not to use force even before the conflict is settled.

For two years Azerbaijan was at the complete disposal of Russia, the "world community" gave it to Russia to be torn apart so that it could do what it promised: to permanently eliminate the danger of a resumption of the war in Karabakh.

But not shmagl ....

3. And finally, the third: I am sure that it was Russia that forbade Armenia to participate in Eurovision. It’s strange, right, that the Armenians were preparing so hard, getting ready, getting ready .... they came up with all kinds of dirty tricks that they would loudly do in Baku - and you! Do not go .....

Russia lost the diplomatic war for Karabakh. War is a mistake of diplomacy. Now there is a chance that Russia will rush to correct its failures by force. Of course, Azerbaijan does not need to start a war with Russia. It is enough to keep the Armenian hostage locked up and not let him in - either through Turkey or through Georgia. This Russia is openly threatening war.

Our allies in the event of an attack by Russia: Turkey, Georgia, Israel and the Arabian monarchs are all those who, like us, are tired of the prostitute maneuvers of the "world community". Turkey will move troops and all that, Georgia will fight and try not to let the Russians through its territory, Israel will help with weapons and military assistance. Arabian monarchs - moral support ... In an extreme case, they will drop oil prices up to $ 10 dollars, so that both bandocratic regimes - Russia and Iran - fall into tartar.

Such a general arrangement ...

[KuigoroZHIK]

Guys, how did you get to lay out kilometer calculations of ALIEN words.
Highlight the main points, arguments and facts in the dispute and write briefly, and then give a reference to the original. Brevity is the sister of talent - you need to remember folk wisdom.
And everyone can copy + paste. It does no honor to anyone!

[Samsebenaum]

KuigoroZHIK
There is truth in your words. There are lovers of novels to write or copy.
Personally, I don’t even read long comments. Tedious.
I hope the forum users will listen to you ...

[KuigoroZHIK]

Thanks for the support.
There are really some visitors, from whom I am waiting for comments constantly and read them regardless of size, trying to get the feel of the meaning of those invested in them. But these are units - the rest simply prefer to copy the calculation, where only 1-2 sentences belong to the evidence, the rest is flood and trash ... It's all sad.

[David]

Thesis one
For many hundreds of years, Muslims and Catholic Christians (as well as Anglicans, Lutherans, Protestants) have been daily! war against the orthodox
That's the whole point

[Kamila]

wah wah .... offended Orthodox Armenians .... you know what notes you need to press ... ((and who should I write ..... do you want to earn cheap authority yourself ??

[Azeri2012]

Have you forgotten who they are? The trick of the Armenians, the cunning of the Armenians, when they need them, they can flattery without soap))))))))))))))))))))
And if something better comes up that they climbed yesterday, today they can sell for pennies.
The Russian authorities know and understand this, which is why, being friends with them, they sell us weapons, the weapons that we will use against their allies.

[David]

"Fear the Danes - the gifts of those who bring"

[Yarbay]

Well, yes)))) again you read something about militarization and you felt scared)))))
Now the ascetic will come, reassure)))

[David]

Yes it's all the same
You will suck these helicopters for another hundred years))))

[escobar]

Since when are the Armenians Orthodox? They are Christians - Monophysites (301 CE) .Difference to Orthodoxy and others in the nature of Jesus. In Orthodoxy, Jesus is a man and God. And Monophysites only have a divine beginning.

[David]

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%80%D0%BC%D1%8F%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1
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The Armenian Apostolic Church belongs to the group of Old Eastern Orthodox churches. For the IV Ecumenical Council, it did not participate for objective reasons and its decisions, like all Old Eastern Orthodox Churches, did not accept. In its dogma, it is based on the decrees of the first three Ecumenical Councils and adheres to the pre-Chalcedonian Christology of St. Cyril of Alexandria, who professed the One of the Two Nature of God, the Word embodied (miaphysitism). Theological critics of the AAC argue that its Christology should be interpreted as Monophysite, which the Armenian Church rejects, anathematizing both Monophysitism and Diophysitism.

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: David

The Armenian Apostolic Church belongs to the group of Old Eastern Orthodox churches

if the Chinese come tomorrow, you will immediately become Buddhists. And the corresponding article will appear on Wikipedia

[David]

Yes, how many of them have already come, the same as you - "Chinese".
And we, as we were Orthodox, remained so.

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: David

we, as were Orthodox, remained so.

frank frivolity. Do not cling to Orthodoxy, you are heretics

[David]

"Vasya". Right here by.
I'll tell you so. If the Russians come and say: "You cannot cross yourself and read Our Father in Armenian" - we will fight with them too
Can you imagine that?
When it becomes so in the world, it will be its last days.

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: David

I'll tell you so. If the Russians come and say: "You can't cross yourself and read Our Father in Russian" - we will fight with them too
Can you imagine that?

Alas, I can’t imagine that you will be at war with the Russians. Just transfer to your American knees. As always

[David]

Why are you changing quotes?

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: David

Why are you changing quotes?

your tricks from your own courage was scary?

[David]

You thought with your head, what would have resulted for you if we moved to Yusov’s knees?

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: David

You thought with your head how it would have poured out for you if we moved to Yusov’s knees

Sit yourself - think for yourself actually, Americans will do it for you

[David]

Only you certainly will not be laughing

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: David

Only you certainly will not be laughing

you're right we will mourn you

[David]

The popular Dagestan newspaper "New Deal" published an interesting analysis of the relationship between indigenous peoples living in the north of the Republic of Azerbaijan and Transcaucasian Turks. The article by Akhmednabi Akhmednabiev, which in general truthfully reflects the situation with discrimination of the autochtones of the republic, presents both historical facts and examples from the present. Nevertheless, it seems that the necessary and interesting article as a whole suffers from a one-sided - religious - approach to the problem, and the main emphasis in it is made on the contradictions between the two branches of Islam: Sunnism and Shiism. However, this is not at all true.

The religious discrimination carried out in Azerbaijan by adherents of Sunni Islam is just one of the instruments for ethnic discrimination. As a matter of fact, almost all the examples cited by the author are exactly what they say, however, the conclusions, unfortunately, are not entirely complete. In Azerbaijan, all, without exception, indigenous peoples are discriminated against, regardless of their religion, including Shiite Talysh.

“The strengthening of Soviet power in the region turned into a nightmare for the Dagestanis (referring to the autochthonous in Azerbaijan Avars, Lezgins, Tsakhurtsy, Rutulis, Udins and others. - L.M.-Sh.): tens of thousands of people were killed, no less were lost in the vast expanses of Siberia, ”the author of The New Deed writes fairly and bitterly. However, the massacres and the expulsion of representatives of these peoples from the Azerbaijan Republic did not begin under the Soviet regime, but two years before Sovietization, from the date of the unnatural and illegal birth of this republic in late May 1918. But this is at the state level. In general, the settlements of the indigenous peoples of Azerbaijan were regularly subjected to the robber raids of nomadic Turkic tribes for the past several centuries, from the very time they migrated to the region from Central Asia. And here it is important to note that the Turks, and then official Baku, demonstrated exactly the same criminal attitude towards the Talysh people, another indigenous people in this republic. Meanwhile, the overwhelming majority of Talysh living in Azerbaijan, like the “Azerbaijanis" - the Transcaucasian Turks, practice Shiite Islam.

The Republic of Azerbaijan was proclaimed on the original ethnic territory not only of Avars, Lezghins and other peoples in the north of the modern territory of this entity, but also in the land of other autochthons: Armenians and Talysh. Such behavior caused natural resistance, which was suppressed (and, in fact, it was annexation) by the joint forces of the Transcaucasian and Anatolian Turks, respectively, Shiites and Sunnis. After a long struggle, the Talyshs, together with the Russians living in the province, proclaimed the Mugan Soviet Republic on May 15, 1919, which a few months later fell under the onslaught of the Turkish armed forces. The horrors of the subsequent repressions are still fresh in the memory of the Talysh people.

Akhmednabiev is right: Azerbaijan is really oriented toward the West, but the “system of values” in this republic is not anti-Sunni, or even anti-Islamic in nature, as it might seem at first glance - it is mainly directed against the national identity of the autochthonous peoples of the republic. Religious repression is one of the levers of suppressing ethnic identification.

An article in the "New Deal" states: "There are frequent cases of being brought to the police, beating Muslim Sunnis just for wearing a beard." In fact, in Azerbaijan, not only Sunnis, but also Shiites, are being brought to the police and beaten for the same beard. The many years of confrontation between the authorities of Shiite believers, residents of the village of Nardaran on the Absheron Peninsula, are proof of this. Note that the Nardarans, like the inhabitants of most villages of the peninsula, are ethnic tatami (Parsis) living on this land for at least 15 centuries.

Here is another quote from the New Deal. “These people have long lived in their original territories, but their future inspires great concern. Here, in general educational institutions, the study of native languages ​​is prohibited, television and radio broadcasts are conducted exclusively in the Azerbaijani language, the region is energetically populated by Azerbaijanis (Transcaucasian Turks. - L.M.-Sh.), when censuses are issued and documents are issued, Dagestanis are forced to identify Azerbaijanis. ” All this is true, but all this applies to the same extent to the Talysh and the Tat.

The article provides an example of renaming the Avar toponym in the Turkic way. But in Azerbaijan, not only Avar or Lezgi, but also Armenian, Talysh, Udi, Rutul place names are renamed in the Turkic way. Avar Bilkan turned into Balakyan, Lezgi Wartashen into Oguz, Talysh Lankon into Lankaran. There are thousands of examples. Under the ban are words reminiscent of state formations of Lezghins, Avars, Talysh - Jar, Lezgistan, Talysh. The national intelligentsia, the leaders of all indigenous peoples, without exception, are physically destroyed. Religion does not matter for Azerbaijan. One of the largest Turkic tribes in Azerbaijan - padars - profess Sunni Islam. But they have the opportunity to receive education in the language of their ancestors, watch television, listen to the radio, in a word, fully possess all that the Sunnis Avars and Lezgins, or Shiites Talysh, are deprived of.

Sunnis Avars in Azerbaijan are forbidden to honor the memory of Haji Murat and Shamil, Sunnis Lezgins are forbidden to read Haji-Davud Myushkyursky, Shiites Talysh - Babek. The “fault” of all these peoples lies not in their religion, but in the fact that they were not born (or did not want to become) Transcaucasian Turks.

Azerbaijani ideologists and propagandists like to repeat that all peoples in Azerbaijan have equal rights, that Azerbaijan is an “example of ethnic tolerance” for the whole world. Opposition-minded, or appearing to be such, political scientists of Azerbaijan are exploiting another idea, the meaning of which is that in totalitarian Azerbaijan everyone lives equally poorly. But having written, or having expressed this idea, they go home, read literature in the Azerbaijani language, watch TV in the Azerbaijani language, send children to educational institutions in the Azerbaijani language. Reducing the meaning of the struggle to restore national rights exclusively to social problems is an attempt to justify the crime of the government. And it’s already difficult to say who the big criminal is: the one who deprives peoples of their national rights and the inalienable right to study and develop their own history, literature, culture, or one who, under the guise of hypocritical assurances of friendship, covers up these crimes under one pretext or another ?

In Azerbaijan, a pronounced ethnic confrontation between the Transcaucasian Turks and the Kurds that joined them with the indigenous peoples of the republic. This confrontation is also reflected in the letter published by WikiLeaks by the letter of the former US ambassador to Azerbaijan - Anne Derse. Being an experienced conflictologist, it is no coincidence that she mentions the Talysh origin of Sheikh ul-Islam Haji Allah Shukyur Pasha-zade. Meanwhile, if E. Derse were sincere, she would certainly have written that the Talysh themselves call him nothing more than Sheitan Shukur Pasha-zade.

Interethnic tension growing in Azerbaijan has no religious background. In the end, it is worth remembering that the Anatolian Turks were created by the Sunnis for the Shi'ism of the Transcaucasian Turks. At the same time, it suppressed the resistance of both Sunnis - Lezghins, Avars and other indigenous peoples in the north of the modern Azerbaijan Republic, and Shiites, in particular, Talysh. The unification of these peoples, their mutual coordination of actions in the struggle for the restoration of the national rights trampled by the Transcaucasian Turks is the most effective way to get rid of the Turkic yoke in their own homeland. Knowledge of the plight of the people alone is not enough, it is necessary to develop a common strategy to combat this evil.

[Azmaz]

Dear forum users.
I apologize in advance (to ORDERED USERS), for a checkmate, but I see, here the moderator from all AHU-EL !!! Fear lost to the fullest!
Not only is he a FULL UR-OD, Fascist, ZAS-RA-NEC and MU-DAK, but he also violates the RULES of the site.

So what kind of MODERATOR is he if UR-OD does not fulfill his DUTIES? And more than once I noticed his policy of double standards.

Here are the RULES

And here is an example

SO ASKED. MODER BLA-YT, WHICH XX-UU-YA YOU DO NOT REMOVE THESE POS? ANSWER PIIIDDDDRRRR?

WHAT DO YOU THINK FORBIDDING ME AND EVERYTHING? YES KUI THROUGH SHOULDER UUURROOOODDD. BUUUDDDUUUU TEEEBYWAY LONGOOOO EEEEBBAAAT AND YOU ARE SAME ON THE SITE, UNTIL YOU DAAAUUUNN YOU DO NOT COME TO YOURSELF.

I SAID TO YOU THAT I WILL MAKE IT FROM THIS SITE, BUT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANY UNDERSTANDING.

I'm watching you. Until you delete all the posts that offend Azerbaijan, I will bring you to the white knee.

PS David GANDDOND and the moderator is WORSE worse than PIIIDDRDRR that he does not delete his posts, where he offends the USERS.

[CCCP1980]

Quote: synchrophasatron

Alas, I can’t imagine that you will be at war with the Russians. Just transfer to your American knees.

A PO TVOEMU VI azeriki NA CHEY KOLENKAX IZRALITYAN ILI turk

[mnb2012]

The Armenian Apostolic Church, headed by the Catholicos (WORD CATALIC ... OS even looks strange in their statements about Orthodoxy) of all Armenians, is considered official in Armenia.
So, despite the proximity, the Orthodox, the Armenians are NOT, unlike the Georgians.
The Armenian Apostolic Church is an independent course.

Quote: synchrophasatron

if the Chinese come tomorrow, you will immediately become Buddhists. And the corresponding article will appear on Wikipedia

[phone])))))))))))))) This is without a market. Then they will shout to the whole world that the Buddha is Armenian. And Tibet is the place where Noah stopped. And the Himalayas are Ararat.

[CCCP1980]

Quote: synchrophasatron

if the Chinese come tomorrow, you will immediately become Buddhists

OPYAT azerbozskaya lojjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj
vam uchitsya ne pomeshala

[freedom12]

only hai tell the truth?

[DimychAs]

Quote: synchrophasatron

if the Chinese come tomorrow, you will immediately become Buddhists

Pot calls the kettle black.

[mnb2012]

Dear Escobar, do not be surprised. When they need it, they become Orthodox, when it is needed by Catholics, and when necessary, they will become Buddhists. And of course they will prove by Armenian Wikipedia that they are Orthodox. I have a question .... their main monk is the Catalikos, why is the Catalikos not from the word Catholic? I could be wrong.
And so I think, given their nature, they seem to want to become the center of the universe ... and on religious grounds.
For this reason, they are allegedly the ones who first adopted Christianity even before the Vatican and Rome)))))))))
For this reason, they decided to step over the Vatican and how can this be done? Or that Mary should be an Armenian or something else sacred, of course it’s NOAH’s hoe who stopped in AGRYDAG Turkey, which the Armenians decided to call Ararat .... aahai it’s a pity only Noah’s grave and everything about him, is on the land of Azerbaijan, Nakhchivan, which means we will make Nakhchivan Armenian.
TFUUUUUUUU
So many lies.
Apostolic branch. Gregorian orthodox creed - I don’t know what kind of Orthodox they became. They have the same Grigoryan direction or something like that.

in 34 (after the condescension of the Holy Spirit to the apostles they began to speak in tongues) two disciples of Christ - Thaddeus and Bartholomew ascended to Armenia to preach about Christ. Many accepted the new teaching and became disciples (and many were hostile and stoned and killed the apostles). The people "this new dough" expanded, developed until the reign of the king of Armenia Tiridat (Trdat) III, who united the principalities into a single state, destroying all rivals. The son of the prince of the neighboring principality, the 12-year-old Suren (which means strong, sharp) miraculously escaped (accidentally being in another place) and well-wishers Christians secretly sent him to Byzantium, where he received a first-class education. In Byzantium, it was renamed (as was customary at baptism) Gregory. Gregory the Illuminator is returning to Armenia to preach, and the nuns are with him (St. Gayane, St. Hripsime, etc.). After arresting them, Trdat forces them to renounce Christ (Christianity was officially considered sectarianism), receiving a refusal from girls to sleep with him, he furiously ordered all the girls to leave, and to throw Gregory into a deep hole (Khor Virap) (this is done in many eastern states (for example, in Mongolia)), where he will die of thirst and hunger. But one widow secretly fed him in the pit for 10 years. In the 10th year, Trdat fell ill with a “mumps” and no one could cure him. In a dream, Trdatu tells the Angel that "only Gregory can cure you." Tryd sends people to Khor Virap who bring Gregory in order to represent Trdat. Gregory firstly preaches Christ and on behalf of Christ heals Trdat. Later Trdat in 301 AD signed a decree that from now on in the Armenian state everyone should bow before the True God Christ. He further ordered the construction of a church in honor of the martyrs of the girls. These temples still stand in Etchmiadzin (literally means the Only Begotten descended) (a city near Yerevan, formerly called Vagharshapat, i.e. built by Tsar Vagharsh). After Gregory saw a vision - Christ comes down from heaven and striking with his staff at the place (where the pagan temple stood) indicates where to build the cathedral. There and 304g. completed the construction of the central cathedral, which still stands.
The Armenian Apostolic Church is a separate church. Orthodox Greek, Georgian, Russian - a separate branch. Catholic - separate. Three main branches (I do not consider Lutheran - Protestant, which arose the Middle Ages as a protest against the papacy)

In a word

The Armenian Apostolic Church, headed by the Catholicos of all Armenians, is considered official in Armenia.
So, despite the proximity, the Orthodox Armenians are NOT, unlike the Georgians.
The Armenian Apostolic Church is an independent course.

[Kamila]

Byzantine emperors strengthened more than once reconcile Armenians with Orthodoxy, for which they repeatedly entered into church relations with the Armenians. In these forms, the emperor Manuel Comnenus, in 1170, sent to the Armenians one of the Constantinople scholars, named Theorian, for theological interviews with them. Theorian described his interviews with the Armenians and about the second of them, by the way, he also reports the following: “When this (previous) was said, one Syrian priest stood up and said to Theorian: why are you (ie the Greeks of Constantinople) depicting the sign of the cross two fingers? are not the fingers separated (from one another), as special one from the other? therefore, according to you, the two natures of Christ are also separated. ”But Theorian, as if resorting to a joke, said: without signifying the two natures of Christ, so we do, but having been delivered from the torment of the devil, we are taught to wage war and war against him, for with our hands we make righteousness, alms and other virtues, and this is a militia; and with our fingers, placing the seal of Christ on our foreheads, we make war and thus overcome him and with David we bless the Lord, saying everyone: Blessed is the Lord my God, teach my hand for the army and my fingers for battle (Psalm 143: 1) - not a finger (i.e. not one finger, as you have - Armenians), but fingers ".

http://pravbeseda.ru/library/index.php?page=book&id=465

[Azmaz]

Dear forum users.
I apologize in advance (to ORDERED USERS), for a checkmate, but I see, here the moderator from all AHU-EL !!! Fear lost to the fullest!
Not only is he a FULL UR-OD, Fascist, ZAS-RA-NEC and MU-DAK, but he also violates the RULES of the site.

So what kind of MODERATOR is he if UR-OD does not fulfill his DUTIES? And more than once I noticed his policy of double standards.

Here are the RULES

And here is an example

SO ASKED. MODER BLA-YT, WHICH XX-UU-YA YOU DO NOT REMOVE THESE POS? ANSWER PIIIDDDDRRRR?

WHAT DO YOU THINK FORBIDDING ME AND EVERYTHING? YES KUI THROUGH SHOULDER UUURROOOODDD. BUUUDDDUUUU TEEEBYWAY LONGOOOO EEEEBBAAAT AND YOU ARE SAME ON THE SITE, UNTIL YOU DAAAUUUNN YOU DO NOT COME TO YOURSELF.

I SAID TO YOU THAT I WILL MAKE IT FROM THIS SITE, BUT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANY UNDERSTANDING.

I'm watching you. Until you delete all the posts that offend Azerbaijan, I will bring you to the white knee.

PS David GANDDOND and the moderator is WORSE worse than PIIIDDRDRR that he does not delete his posts, where he offends the USERS.

[GSVG82]

Quite right, the Armenians in no way belong to Orthodox Christians, they have a Gregorian church and today they celebrated Easter together with Catholics, a week earlier.

[David]

And who is Orthodox, do not tell me?
And, speaking Orthodox, what do you mean?

[freedom12]

Quote: David

And who is Orthodox, do not tell me?

Georgians, Greeks and so on, but not Armenians.

Quote: David

And, speaking Orthodox, what do you mean?

The Armenian Gregorian Church is an independent Christian church. She has her own head - a Catholicos with a residence in Etchmiadzin. Many consider you heretics.

This is what the Armenians themselves write. Example

This is done in order to
1. To use it in convenient cases ?! Maybe. And maybe because in order to appropriate Christianity - Armenian. Hence the fact that you want Ararat, the land of Noah in Azerbaijan.
The nation that survived the so-called Genocide will never be so brutal as in the 15th year and in 92-93.

And here's what it says

Russian priest-Armenians are not Orthodox heretics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1F_vESy7bY

That is, Armenians use religion for their own purposes and not out of love for Christianity. Again, I repeat, a religious person in my concept is a person from God, kindness, to teach people how to live, but what you have done in Turkey and Azerbaijan is a sin to say that you are religious people.

[David]

Lobster.
How do you determine who is Orthodox?
Friends with Azerbaijan - means Orthodox, not friends - not Orthodox))))

[freedom12]

You always write such nonsense when you do not find words?

[igor67]

David,

Quote: David

Thesis one
For many hundreds of years, Muslims and Catholic Christians (as well as Anglicans, Lutherans, Protestants) have been daily! war against the orthodox
That's the whole point

can the question be interesting why did you decide so? in the war in 82, in Lebanon, the Soviet Union sided with the Islamist grouping of hezbols (warrior of Alah), and on the side of Israel the Arabs are Christians, the army is TsADAL, by the way they are all Catholics, there are Orthodox and other Christian movements.

[David]

In the Soviet Union, religion was - "atheistic materialism"
On the side of Israel?
Those. You did not turn your head upside down: In the Muslim war with the Jews, atheists supported the Muslims.
What's wrong?
I will tell you more.
In today's military efforts, the Orthodox help Muslims! resist the Jewish-Catholic-Muslim destructive paradigm.

[igor67]

David,
may be. For some reason, only the Israeli army and police voluntarily serve thousands of Arabs of Christians, and how many officers, probably outside Israel, do not know that thousands of non-Jewish soldiers and officers — Druze, Circassians, Bedouins, Arabs — serve in the IDF. Especially there are a lot of them in the field gendarmerie (MAGAV) where their number reaches 12% of the personnel, so often the crews of patrol jeeps communicate in Arabic. They faithfully serve the Jewish state; generals and senior officers of the IDF left their ranks

The Circassians, as well as the Druze, serve in the IDF along with the Jews. Even during the War of Independence in 1948. Circassians formed a volunteer cavalry squadron, which joined the ranks of the IDF. Israeli Circassians belong to various Muslim peoples of the North Caucasus (Chechens, Ingush, Adygs) and live in villages in northern Israel. They serve in combat units and border police. Many of the Circassians became officers of the IDF, and one rose to the rank of colonel. As Adnan Kharhad, one of the elders of the Circassian community said: “In the War of Independence of Israel, the Circassians joined the Jews, who were then only 600 thousand, against 30 million Arabs,” and since then have never changed their alliance with the Jews.
Druz, Lieutenant General Yusuf Mushlav, Deputy. Chief of the General Staff of the IDF

[David]

And by the way, Igor.
A good confirmation of my words is Omar's yesterday's post, in which he, addressing his children, writes: "... and only then can you forgive the Armenians when they become Muslims ..."

[igor67]

David,
I didn’t read yesterday’s post of Omar, I would ask you not to touch the religious feelings of all faiths, because I’m sure that there are 99 percent of people on this forum and I also didn’t read from A to Z, nor the Bible, nor the Torah, nor the Quran, I’m writing 99 , since one member of the forum is Azerbaijani, all the same is well acquainted with the Koran, and most of them are from Google. Plus, an interethnic swearing immediately begins, which is not related to information about the supply of turntables, Regards! And happy holiday!

[David]

And you with a holiday.
World! Work! May :-)

[Azeri2012]

DON'T TIRED THE PEOPLE TO Hang ON EARS?

[Azmaz]

Dear forum users.
I apologize in advance (to ORDERED USERS), for a checkmate, but I see, here the moderator from all AHU-EL !!! Fear lost to the fullest!
Not only is he a FULL UR-OD, Fascist, ZAS-RA-NEC and MU-DAK, but he also violates the RULES of the site.

So what kind of MODERATOR is he if UR-OD does not fulfill his DUTIES? And more than once I noticed his policy of double standards.

Here are the RULES

And here is an example

SO ASKED. MODER BLA-YT, WHICH XX-UU-YA YOU DO NOT REMOVE THESE POS? ANSWER PIIIDDDDRRRR?

WHAT DO YOU THINK FORBIDDING ME AND EVERYTHING? YES KUI THROUGH SHOULDER UUURROOOODDD. BUUUDDDUUUU TEEEBYWAY LONGOOOO EEEEBBAAAT AND YOU ARE SAME ON THE SITE, UNTIL YOU DAAAUUUNN YOU DO NOT COME TO YOURSELF.

I SAID TO YOU THAT I WILL MAKE IT FROM THIS SITE, BUT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANY UNDERSTANDING.

I'm watching you. Until you delete all the posts that offend Azerbaijan, I will bring you to the white knee.

PS David GANDDOND and the moderator is WORSE worse than PIIIDDRDRR that he does not delete his posts, where he offends the USERS.

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: David

war against the orthodox

David Sosunsky, as Orthodox Christians consider you heretics. And the Orthodox do not fight with Muslims, they live together for centuries quite peacefully. According to the old Armenian tradition - play off hunting? Orthodoxy and Muslims will kill each other, and the Gregorians will benefit?

[David]

Orthodox by force repeatedly drove Muslims from heaven to earth.
For "circumcised" people, the question is that only their world is correct. The rest are "kafirs" or "goyim".
Serbs, Greeks, Armenians, Bulgarians and other Orthodox Christians know not by hearsay that "Orthodox Christians do not fight with Muslims." Only now Muslims, from time to time, need an "Orthodox slap on the head" for realizing.
If the Russians were weaker, eh, you would have been taking a walk

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: David

Orthodox by force

I understand that only with great love the Armenians beat their faces to their Orthodox brothers every year in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q88iQE6_t-c

The Armenian character everywhere shows itself without shame ....

[David]

And the Armenians in this case are good
And the Greeks
But faith doesn’t end there.
We do not divide the world into "faithful" and "unbelievers"

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: David

And the Armenians in this case are good

Yes of course. The Armenians are good to beat the Orthodox face, and the metro bombing is good, and the neighboring lands are good to pull. Armenians in the first place maladtsa

[David]

What about you?
Are you really behind?

[PIDR MODERATOR]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS W * P * O * D ​​WHICH BANES MY LOGIN HERE IS CONSTANT, BUT THIS U-R-O-D VERY REASON THAT BANES ME FOR NO CAUSE. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT I HAVE TO HELP YOU BUILT IN YOU? So that you know what you cleaned up after me? YOU ARE FASCIST OF FEATS, YOU DO NOT HAVE A GRAM OF RESPECT FOR UUURRROOOODDD. YOU ARE ** KILLING ME. YOU UUURRROOOODDDD DO NOT BANGE THE ARMENIANS AND THOSE WHO INSURES THE AZERBAIJAN PEOPLE, BUT THE AZERBAIJANI USERS AT THE SAME BANISH? I AM YOUR CARDABALET ON THE MOST NIGHT. TOMORROW FROM MORNING TO EVENING WILL BE CLEARING ALL WORDS WHICH I AM ADDRESSING TO YOU. BECAUSE REQUIRES RESPECT FOR YOURSELF? FOR WHAT? FOR YOUR FASCIST RELATIONSHIP TO MY NATION? MODERATOR, YOU'RE FINISHED AT * P * O * D. NOW I WILL SHOW YOU HOW I WILL HAVE YOU !!! S * U * K * A DRESSED. FASCIST. IF YOU DO NOT RELAX, I WILL GO INTO MORE ONCE .... DO NOT MAKE ME TO DO SO ON THE MAIN PAGE OF THE AZERBAIJANI FLAG WISE, WITH THE WORDS OF THE MODERATOR OF THIS SAYDOORUDU. OR YOU AS A MAN WILL MODERATE A SITE, OR I WILL MAKE YOU A LONG TURN OUT. FASCIST. YOU ARE NOT A MALE ONCE BANED FOR NO REASON. YOU'RE THE END OF TVAAAARR, AS A SUBSIDIARY OCCASION THE LAST BANISH OF USERS FROM AZERBAIJAN ..... YOU ARE PAAADDDLLAAAAA AND ALL THE PAAADDDLOOOOY WILL STAY. DON'T GIVE GOD, TAKEN MY PROFILE ONCE AGAIN, I WILL MAKE A HELP FROM THIS SITEAAA.
YOU WILL NEED THE HOURS TO CLEAN ALL POSTS. OR MODERATE AS A PERSON AND NOT SOMETHING, OR GO ON KUI AND LET NORMAL PEOPLE MODERATE.

PIIIIIDDRRR SITE MODERATOR!

[Analyst]

Quote: synchrophasatron

The Armenian character everywhere shows itself without shame ....

I wonder where moderators look at? What does the nation have to do with it? And who are you to judge the character of a foreign nation? Have a conscience.

[Analyst]

Quote: synchrophasatron

Orthodox and Muslims will kill each other, and Gregorians will benefit

Young man, where did you read such a post? Or, as always, are you promoting yours?

[Azeri2012]

I advise many Russians who value relations between Armenia and Russia to google and find an article “Armenia is not a part of Russia!”

The assembled in the square of Saryan fighters of the "red berets" and security forces in civilian immediately the posters “Armenia is not part of Russia” and “Independent Armenia!” were taken away and they were warned that they would be detained if they marched, as was planned.

Demonstrators raised the Armenian tricolor over their heads and marched, chanting “There should not be foreign troops at the Independence Day of Armenia.” At that moment, the police detained and transported to the central police station the initiators of the action the head of the Gyumri “Asparez” journalism club, Levon Barseghyan and Facebook user Arno Kura.

Recall that the units of the Russian 102nd military base deployed in Gyumri took part in the Yerevan military parade on the occasion of the 20th anniversary of independence.

This caused a wave of protest in the country. This morning, at 09:00, in parallel with the parade in the center of the capital, a march “against foreign troops and flags” was supposed to start. "Everyone who believes that the troops and flags of foreign countries have nothing to do at the military parade in honor of the holiday of our Independence, we invite you to the protest parade", - says the message of the organizers.

[Azmaz]

Dear forum users.
I apologize in advance (to ORDERED USERS), for a checkmate, but I see, here the moderator from all AHU-EL !!! Fear lost to the fullest!
Not only is he a FULL UR-OD, Fascist, ZAS-RA-NEC and MU-DAK, but he also violates the RULES of the site.

So what kind of MODERATOR is he if UR-OD does not fulfill his DUTIES? And more than once I noticed his policy of double standards.

Here are the RULES

And here is an example

SO ASKED. MODER BLA-YT, WHICH XX-UU-YA YOU DO NOT REMOVE THESE POS? ANSWER PIIIDDDDRRRR?

WHAT DO YOU THINK FORBIDDING ME AND EVERYTHING? YES KUI THROUGH SHOULDER UUURROOOODDD. BUUUDDDUUUU TEEEBYWAY LONGOOOO EEEEBBAAAT AND YOU ARE SAME ON THE SITE, UNTIL YOU DAAAUUUNN YOU DO NOT COME TO YOURSELF.

I SAID TO YOU THAT I WILL MAKE IT FROM THIS SITE, BUT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANY UNDERSTANDING.

I'm watching you. Until you delete all the posts that offend Azerbaijan, I will bring you to the white knee.

PS David GANDDOND and the moderator is WORSE worse than PIIIDDRDRR that he does not delete his posts, where he offends the USERS.

[Azeri2012]

I'm here on the forum, I noticed a couple of adequate people. I want to ask them to watch this simple video, and then write what they think about this video clip. I hope to answer honestly and honestly.

I am addressing this video clip to users escobar Odinplys domokl esaul

By the way, this is a hidden shooting.

Armenians about Azerbaijanis and Azerbaijanis about Armenians

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAt9HPzSKBA&feature=related

[PIDR MODERATOR]

MODERATOR, UUUURROOOOODDDD.
DO YOU CHANGE YOU WANT TO BAN?
HERE YOU UUUURROOOOOOOOD

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS W * P * O * D ​​WHICH BANES MY LOGIN HERE IS CONSTANT, BUT THIS U-R-O-D VERY REASON THAT BANES ME FOR NO CAUSE. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT I HAVE TO HELP YOU BUILT IN YOU? So that you know what you cleaned up after me? YOU ARE FASCIST OF FEATS, YOU DO NOT HAVE A GRAM OF RESPECT FOR UUURRROOOODDD. YOU ARE ** KILLING ME. YOU UUURRROOOODDDD DO NOT BANGE THE ARMENIANS AND THOSE WHO INSURES THE AZERBAIJAN PEOPLE, BUT THE AZERBAIJANI USERS AT THE SAME BANISH? I AM YOUR CARDABALET ON THE MOST NIGHT. TOMORROW FROM MORNING TO EVENING WILL BE CLEARING ALL WORDS WHICH I AM ADDRESSING TO YOU. BECAUSE REQUIRES RESPECT FOR YOURSELF? FOR WHAT? FOR YOUR FASCIST RELATIONSHIP TO MY NATION? MODERATOR, YOU'RE FINISHED AT * P * O * D. NOW I WILL SHOW YOU HOW I WILL HAVE YOU !!! S * U * K * A DRESSED. FASCIST. IF YOU DO NOT RELAX, I WILL GO INTO MORE ONCE .... DO NOT MAKE ME TO DO SO ON THE MAIN PAGE OF THE AZERBAIJANI FLAG WISE, WITH THE WORDS OF THE MODERATOR OF THIS SAYDOORUDU. OR YOU AS A MAN WILL MODERATE A SITE, OR I WILL MAKE YOU A LONG TURN OUT. FASCIST. YOU ARE NOT A MALE ONCE BANED FOR NO REASON. YOU'RE THE END OF TVAAAARR, AS A SUBSIDIARY OCCASION THE LAST BANISH OF USERS FROM AZERBAIJAN ..... YOU ARE PAAADDDLLAAAAA AND ALL THE PAAADDDLOOOOY WILL STAY. DON'T GIVE GOD, TAKEN MY PROFILE ONCE AGAIN, I WILL MAKE A HELP FROM THIS SITEAAA.
YOU WILL NEED THE HOURS TO CLEAN ALL POSTS. OR MODERATE AS A PERSON AND NOT SOMETHING, OR GO ON KUI AND LET NORMAL PEOPLE MODERATE.

PIIIIIDDRRR SITE MODERATOR!

[synchrophasatron]

In Armenia, parents refuse to send their children to serve in Nagorno-Karabakh. According to Armenian media, the parent of the soldier Torgom Sarukhanyan who died in one of the military units in Karabakh, Lena Sarukhanyan, a resident of Gyumri, called the mandatory sending of an Armenian citizen to serve in the Army of Nagorno-Karabakh illegal and required clarification.

L. Sarukhanyan sent a letter to the Ministry of Defense, the Prime Minister, the military prosecutor and the Ombudsman with a demand to give an answer why the citizens of Armenia called up for military service are leaving for Karabakh. In response to the appeal of the Armenian Ombudsman, Minister of Defense Seyran Ohanyan said: “The issue of Armenian citizen Torgom Sarukhanyan's compulsory military service in Nagorno-Karabakh is beyond the competence of the Armenian Ministry of Defense.”

The prosecutor responded to the same request: “According to Article 46 of the Constitution of Armenia, every citizen is obliged to participate in the defense of the Republic of Armenia in the manner prescribed by law, therefore, in the manner prescribed by the Law on Military Duty, citizens aged 18-27 are obliged to serve in the armed forces forces of Armenia. "

Having received these answers, the parent intends to launch a campaign against the draft of youth in Karabakh.

The report says that Armenia has officially declared itself the guarantor of security of Nagorno-Karabakh. At the same time, Yerevan does not officially recognize the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh.

According to information provided in February by Armenian human rights activists to local media, after the soldier T. Sarukhanyan was sexually assaulted by colleagues and officers, he committed suicide.

Ordinary Armenians begin to realize that they have become a victim of political intrigue and the struggle for power, and do not want to shed the blood of their children in a foreign land

[mnb2012]

Quote: synchrophasatron

Ordinary Armenians begin to realize that they have become a victim of political intrigue and the struggle for power, and do not want to shed the blood of their children in a foreign land

This is a Russian game. The Kremlin is behind all this.

[David]

Lobster.
This is Stopudov Russian Empire against the Ottoman.
We are an outpost of Russia (Orthodoxy) You are an outpost of Turkey (Islam)
The question is not today
And he will not decide today

[freedom12]

Quote: David

We are an outpost of Russia (Orthodoxy) You are an outpost of Turkey (Islam)

I did not notice something during the parade in Baku, Turkish tanks with the Turkish flag.
Azerbaijan is a Shiite country, Turkey is a Sunni if ​​I am not mistaken.

[David]

And you look better

[Azmaz]

Quote: David

And you look better

Could you not go to X • Y • Y? WITH YOUR LOOK.
YOU ARE GAAAANNNDOOOOH FOREVER TO SEE WHAT IS NECESSARY.

[CCCP1980]

AZERIK VAM VEJLIVOSTI NE XVATAET
A ZA SLOVA OTVETIT NADO

[freedom12]

Quote: CCCP1980

AZERIK VAM VEJLIVOSTI NE XVATAET
A ZA SLOVA OTVETIT NADO

Or can you teach Azerbaijanis how to use petroleum jelly? Watching your posts in relation to the Russian authorities, you are professionals in this.

[CCCP1980]

A VI I BEZ VAZELINA V F *** IZRAILA VXODILI U VAS OPIT EST
NO KAK IZ F *** VIXODIT ??????????????
NAVERNO IRAN POMOJET

[freedom12]

Quote: CCCP1980

A VI I BEZ VAZELINA V F *** IZRAILA VXODILI U VAS OPIT EST

Hai, son of Anais, listen carefully. When there is money, no Vaseline is needed. This is useful to you.

[freedom12]

Quote: David

And you look better

We looked closely for a long time. And they realized that your government is an outpost of Russia. Your women, an outpost of Turkey.

If I were you, I would cry, and would not laugh like a wild horse.
You should have more Vaseline, along the way you buy up all the Vaseline in Russia, reading your posts I see how you use it. So smooth, wet, and no problem.

You are Catholic, you are Slavic, or you are an outpost. How do you manage on so many fronts.

In the course of the Vaseline formula, the Armenians also discovered.

[David]

Omar, no offense, are you "circumcised"?
What do you call non-Muslims?
"Kafirs", "giaurs"?
Or did you come up with something new?

[freedom12]

Quote: David

What do you call non-Muslims?

Ludi.

The same person as everyone. Religious jizzes occur in abnormal people with disabilities. I see the same religious fanaticism in the Armenians. Although they are far from Christian in their lifestyle.

When a person is born, he does not know what kind of faith and religion he is. They push us in and then he decides.

I am not a religious fan. If God teaches that to kill children, women, I do not need such a God. But if we look into the past, it was the Crusades, to the countries of the South, that were accompanied by atrocities. Does Christianity teach this?

I am perfectly familiar with religions. God is one in all. Only calls him each in his own way. But there is one snag, if the root of every religion goes to Adam and Eve, then all relatives come to each other at the genetic level, so what happens? Maybe religion was created to divide nations and rule? Or rob on behalf of God? Alas, both of them were very widely used in our world.

So I'm skeptical of religion. I believe in the creator. I believe that someone cooler than you and me and everyone taken together created the first chicken or the first egg, someone breathed life into this planet, but prays for people like Moyasei, Jesus or Mohamed, I don’t going to. This is blasphemy.

I believe in the creator. I believe that if I do not steal someone’s bread, I don’t take my life and lead a decent life, then this is the main thing that God wants.

In Christianity, they say that God created man in appearance or somehow, forgot exactly the words, but looking at your terrorists, at world law, I would have torn out the language of the one who says it. If God wants this, or God created terrorists in their abundance, then I will refuse such a God.

For me, God, the deity is the world. This is friendship. This is happiness.

But with the Armenians, I see no peace, no friendship, no happiness. Since you have not left a place for friendship and peace.

Quote: David

"Kafirs", "giaurs"?

Kafir means without God. Atheist. But Christians believe in God. So you got a miss.

Quote: David

Or did you come up with something new?

I will give you advice David. I went through both philosophy and psychology, and I read many books on this subject.

The trick is a very useful thing if used for its intended purpose. But your trick is to quarrel nations. It is mean and low.

Your fellow tribesmen of Muslims call differently, but if you haven’t noticed, I don’t write about it, more than one Muslim writes about it here. But you, with a smile and supposedly do not know anything, create a provocative situation.

I do not know exactly what God will do with your meanness, how he will punish you, but I know and believe in one thing. LIFE BOOMERANG. Your karma will be used against you. Just as you indirectly create hostility among Russians towards Azerbaijanis, there will be a person who will disconnect you Armenians from Russians.

Calm down. Not everyone is stupid. Not all . Indeed your cunning deserves contempt.

Or you will change and write as normal people. Or I will ask all Azerbaijanis not to answer you.

I love communicating with smart people so that I can learn something. What can you learn from you? Cheap tricks? To nation poison each other? To sneak up?

Not. Thank.

Better to die standing than to live on your knees.

Quote: David

are you "circumcised"?

For what purpose are you asking me?

[David]

You are hypocritical!
You wrote to me, in your address "to children": "... Only then should you forgive the Armenians when they become Muslims ..."
Yes, and I’m not cunning, trying, as you say, to quarrel the Russians with the Azerbaijanis. There is no point. According to your comments, everything is clear.
I accept your offer - to write "like normal people"
But if I meet a comment (yours or your compatriots) regarding the Armenian-Azerbaijani relations that is not true, everything will return to square one.
If you remember how our communication began, then it was your post, they say the Armenians killed themselves in Sumgait.
Such things will not remain unanswered.
And naturally, I will continue to ridicule the position of "great Azerbaijani chauvinism."
As for circumcision, I asked, because I believe that the ritual circumcision is common to both Jews and Azeri Turks. The circumcision, in turn, gave rise to the Jewish-Muslim-racist custom to divide all people into two groups: those with the foreskin removed (“God chosen” and “Orthodox” ) and those who prefer to live in the pristine ... in the form in which the Almighty created them (“goyim” and “kafirs”).

[freedom12]

Quote: David

You are hypocritical!
You wrote to me, in your address "to children": "... Only then should you forgive the Armenians when they become Muslims ...

These were not my words, but the words of another user. I repeated.
And I inserted these words because, MAY accept Christianity, you will save both your face and your identity in Armenia.

Seneca Lucius Anney the Younger said: "They love their homeland not because it is great, but because they own it" ... And it becomes "their own" only when each individual person in the homeland has a positive perspective, in other words, hope for happy future.

And when it, that is, this one is not reliable, the Motherland turns into a space of hopelessness. What Armenia has become.

As you said, our country is an outpost? There is nothing of your own in your country.

Quote: David

Yes, and I’m not cunning, trying, as you say, to quarrel the Russians with the Azerbaijanis. There is no point.

You're lying! This is not only I noticed, but even the Russians from this forum. I am silent about Azerbaijanis already.

Quote: David

I accept your offer - to write "like normal people"

I hope so. And without any cards about Talyshstan and all that. When Talyshstan or Lyazgistan becomes independent, then you will set it.

Quote: David

But if I meet a comment (yours or your compatriots) regarding the Armenian-Azerbaijani relations that is not true, everything will return to square one.

Explain, but do not insult. Show fact and not theory. If you show Armenian sources, then accept Azerbaijan.

Quote: David

If you remember how our communication began, then it was your post, they say the Armenians killed themselves in Sumgait.

We’ll also talk about Sumgait. Only now I have a condition. I listen to you, answer all questions, but I will also ask and if I see at least once that you are not answering or evading, you can close our dialogue.

Speaking of Sumgait. Now I will look at how much we understood each other.

with Camila Khanum, one Azerbaijani from Armenia works. The former refugee. Which speaks excellent Armenian. She says, says that even before Sumgait, Azerbaijanis were beaten and driven out of their lands and homes and even killed. And once they came for her too, but when these animals came in to beat her and maybe kill her, she started shouting at them in Armenian, so what? I am Azerbaijani and so what? What will you do? and hearing her accent and knowledge of Armenian, they thought that she was lying. It is unlikely that she will lie. She is not cold from this, not hot.

At the time the Sumgayit crisis occurred, my uncle. My father’s double brother. Nazim was the deputy chief of police of all Sumgait. He personally showed me how many apartments were sold by Armenians in Sumgayit to the Sumgayit pogroms. Yes, about 30 people and 6 Azerbaijanis suffered from this conflict. At the same time, those who did it were condemned, but nobody condemned what happened in Armenia. As well as the Sumgait pogrom, there is the hand of the KGB and the Kremlin and the Armenians. This is not an undeniable fact. Yes, I also admit that they killed the Armenians, and those who killed were the same refugees from Armenia. That was revenge. No more no less. I honestly admit. I want to see how much you are ready to be sincere.

Quote: David

And naturally, I will continue to ridicule the position of "great Azerbaijani chauvinism."

There is one good saying. Before looking for dust in other people's heads, look at your lice.

Quote: David

As for circumcision, I asked, because I believe that the ritual circumcision is common to both Jews and Azeri Turks. The circumcision, in turn, gave rise to the Jewish-Muslim-racist custom to divide all people into two groups: those with the foreskin removed (“God chosen” and “Orthodox” ) and those who prefer to live in the pristine ... in the form in which the Almighty created them (“goyim” and “kafirs”).

You see how stupid you are. Again, you are trying to write Nazi and racist things. You would ask, why do you have circumcisions? I would tell you that circumcision was first identified among Muslims due to hygiene problems and then traditions, etc.

Religious tradition also arose due to a hygienic problem. In the Middle East, there were regions where, due to lack of water, they washed rather infrequently, so they began to be circumcised in order not to have problems with this matter (the foreskin is an ideal place for the development of unhealthy microflora). Over time, it became a tradition and a religious ritual.

There are cases of urological diseases, for example, phimosis, or its exacerbation - paraphimosis, then circumcision is necessary to maintain reproductive function and generally to preserve ...

Robert Bailey of the University of Illinois at Chicago studied 2784 healthy men who were uncircumcised.
After two years, circumcised men experienced 59% less HIV than uncircumcised men. The study continues until December 2009.

According to French researcher Bertrand Auvert, circumcision could have prevented up to 3,8 million infections and half a million deaths in sub-Saharan Africa from 2006 to 2016 and up to 5,8 million deaths by 2026.
The theory of circumcision effectiveness is that the foreskin is the starting point for HIV. It contains many Langerhans cells, into which the HIV virus easily penetrates.

in short

on the hygienic side, dirt is not collected under the foreskin and everything resulting from it ... on the sexual side, the skin of the head is somewhat rough, which allows prolonging intercourse ...

Quote: David

in the form in which the Almighty created them (“goyim” and “kafirs”).

In other places, don’t say it, laugh at her God.

[freedom12]

Quote: Freedom12

MAY accept Christianity

i.e. islam

[David]

What are you talking about now?

[freedom12]

read understand

[CCCP1980]

A TI POSMATRI KAK NADO ...............

[PIDR MODERATOR]

MODERATOR, UUUURROOOOODDDD.
DO YOU CHANGE YOU WANT TO BAN?

HERE YOU UUUURROOOOOOOOD

[PIDR MODERATOR]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS W * P * O * D ​​WHICH BANES MY LOGIN HERE IS CONSTANT, BUT THIS U-R-O-D VERY REASON THAT BANES ME FOR NO CAUSE. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT I HAVE TO HELP YOU BUILT IN YOU? So that you know what you cleaned up after me? YOU ARE FASCIST OF FEATS, YOU DO NOT HAVE A GRAM OF RESPECT FOR UUURRROOOODDD. YOU ARE ** KILLING ME. YOU UUURRROOOODDDD DO NOT BANGE THE ARMENIANS AND THOSE WHO INSURES THE AZERBAIJAN PEOPLE, BUT THE AZERBAIJANI USERS AT THE SAME BANISH? I AM YOUR CARDABALET ON THE MOST NIGHT. TOMORROW FROM MORNING TO EVENING WILL BE CLEARING ALL WORDS WHICH I AM ADDRESSING TO YOU. BECAUSE REQUIRES RESPECT FOR YOURSELF? FOR WHAT? FOR YOUR FASCIST RELATIONSHIP TO MY NATION? MODERATOR, YOU'RE FINISHED AT * P * O * D. NOW I WILL SHOW YOU HOW I WILL HAVE YOU !!! S * U * K * A DRESSED. FASCIST. IF YOU DO NOT RELAX, I WILL GO INTO MORE ONCE .... DO NOT MAKE ME TO DO SO ON THE MAIN PAGE OF THE AZERBAIJANI FLAG WISE, WITH THE WORDS OF THE MODERATOR OF THIS SAYDOORUDU. OR YOU AS A MAN WILL MODERATE A SITE, OR I WILL MAKE YOU A LONG TURN OUT. FASCIST. YOU ARE NOT A MALE ONCE BANED FOR NO REASON. YOU'RE THE END OF TVAAAARR, AS A SUBSIDIARY OCCASION THE LAST BANISH OF USERS FROM AZERBAIJAN ..... YOU ARE PAAADDDLLAAAAA AND ALL THE PAAADDDLOOOOY WILL STAY. DON'T GIVE GOD, TAKEN MY PROFILE ONCE AGAIN, I WILL MAKE A HELP FROM THIS SITEAAA.
YOU WILL NEED THE HOURS TO CLEAN ALL POSTS. OR MODERATE AS A PERSON AND NOT SOMETHING, OR GO ON KUI AND LET NORMAL PEOPLE MODERATE.

PIIIIIDDRRR SITE MODERATOR!

[Azmaz]

Dear forum users.
I apologize in advance (to ORDERED USERS), for a checkmate, but I see, here the moderator from all AHU-EL !!! Fear lost to the fullest!
Not only is he a FULL UR-OD, Fascist, ZAS-RA-NEC and MU-DAK, but he also violates the RULES of the site.

So what kind of MODERATOR is he if UR-OD does not fulfill his DUTIES? And more than once I noticed his policy of double standards.

Here are the RULES

And here is an example

SO ASKED. MODER BLA-YT, WHICH XX-UU-YA YOU DO NOT REMOVE THESE POS? ANSWER PIIIDDDDRRRR?

WHAT DO YOU THINK FORBIDDING ME AND EVERYTHING? YES KUI THROUGH SHOULDER UUURROOOODDD. BUUUDDDUUUU TEEEBYWAY LONGOOOO EEEEBBAAAT AND YOU ARE SAME ON THE SITE, UNTIL YOU DAAAUUUNN YOU DO NOT COME TO YOURSELF.

I SAID TO YOU THAT I WILL MAKE IT FROM THIS SITE, BUT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANY UNDERSTANDING.

I'm watching you. Until you delete all the posts that offend Azerbaijan, I will bring you to the white knee.

PS David GANDDOND and the moderator is WORSE worse than PIIIDDRDRR that he does not delete his posts, where he offends the USERS.

[PIDR MODERATOR]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS W * P * O * D ​​WHICH BANES MY LOGIN HERE IS CONSTANT, BUT THIS U-R-O-D VERY REASON THAT BANES ME FOR NO CAUSE. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT I HAVE TO HELP YOU BUILT IN YOU? So that you know what you cleaned up after me? YOU ARE FASCIST OF FEATS, YOU DO NOT HAVE A GRAM OF RESPECT FOR UUURRROOOODDD. YOU ARE ** KILLING ME. YOU UUURRROOOODDDD DO NOT BANGE THE ARMENIANS AND THOSE WHO INSURES THE AZERBAIJAN PEOPLE, BUT THE AZERBAIJANI USERS AT THE SAME BANISH? I AM YOUR CARDABALET ON THE MOST NIGHT. TOMORROW FROM MORNING TO EVENING WILL BE CLEARING ALL WORDS WHICH I AM ADDRESSING TO YOU. BECAUSE REQUIRES RESPECT FOR YOURSELF? FOR WHAT? FOR YOUR FASCIST RELATIONSHIP TO MY NATION? MODERATOR, YOU'RE FINISHED AT * P * O * D. NOW I WILL SHOW YOU HOW I WILL HAVE YOU !!! S * U * K * A DRESSED. FASCIST. IF YOU DO NOT RELAX, I WILL GO INTO MORE ONCE .... DO NOT MAKE ME TO DO SO ON THE MAIN PAGE OF THE AZERBAIJANI FLAG WISE, WITH THE WORDS OF THE MODERATOR OF THIS SAYDOORUDU. OR YOU AS A MAN WILL MODERATE A SITE, OR I WILL MAKE YOU A LONG TURN OUT. FASCIST. YOU ARE NOT A MALE ONCE BANED FOR NO REASON. YOU'RE THE END OF TVAAAARR, AS A SUBSIDIARY OCCASION THE LAST BANISH OF USERS FROM AZERBAIJAN ..... YOU ARE PAAADDDLLAAAAA AND ALL THE PAAADDDLOOOOY WILL STAY. DON'T GIVE GOD, TAKEN MY PROFILE ONCE AGAIN, I WILL MAKE A HELP FROM THIS SITEAAA.
YOU WILL NEED THE HOURS TO CLEAN ALL POSTS. OR MODERATE AS A PERSON AND NOT SOMETHING, OR GO ON KUI AND LET NORMAL PEOPLE MODERATE.
PIIIIIDDRRR SITE MODERATOR!

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS W * P * O * D ​​WHICH BANES MY LOGIN HERE IS CONSTANT, BUT THIS U-R-O-D VERY REASON THAT BANES ME FOR NO CAUSE. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT I HAVE TO HELP YOU BUILT IN YOU? So that you know what you cleaned up after me? YOU ARE FASCIST OF FEATS, YOU DO NOT HAVE A GRAM OF RESPECT FOR UUURRROOOODDD. YOU ARE ** KILLING ME. YOU UUURRROOOODDDD DO NOT BANGE THE ARMENIANS AND THOSE WHO INSURES THE AZERBAIJAN PEOPLE, BUT THE AZERBAIJANI USERS AT THE SAME BANISH? I AM YOUR CARDABALET ON THE MOST NIGHT. TOMORROW FROM MORNING TO EVENING WILL BE CLEARING ALL WORDS WHICH I AM ADDRESSING TO YOU. BECAUSE REQUIRES RESPECT FOR YOURSELF? FOR WHAT? FOR YOUR FASCIST RELATIONSHIP TO MY NATION? MODERATOR, YOU'RE FINISHED AT * P * O * D. NOW I WILL SHOW YOU HOW I WILL HAVE YOU !!! S * U * K * A DRESSED. FASCIST. IF YOU DO NOT RELAX, I WILL GO INTO MORE ONCE .... DO NOT MAKE ME TO DO SO ON THE MAIN PAGE OF THE AZERBAIJANI FLAG WISE, WITH THE WORDS OF THE MODERATOR OF THIS SAYDOORUDU. OR YOU AS A MAN WILL MODERATE A SITE, OR I WILL MAKE YOU A LONG TURN OUT. FASCIST. YOU ARE NOT A MALE ONCE BANED FOR NO REASON. YOU'RE THE END OF TVAAAARR, AS A SUBSIDIARY OCCASION THE LAST BANISH OF USERS FROM AZERBAIJAN ..... YOU ARE PAAADDDLLAAAAA AND ALL THE PAAADDDLOOOOY WILL STAY. DON'T GIVE GOD, TAKEN MY PROFILE ONCE AGAIN, I WILL MAKE A HELP FROM THIS SITEAAA.
YOU WILL NEED THE HOURS TO CLEAN ALL POSTS. OR MODERATE AS A PERSON AND NOT SOMETHING, OR GO ON KUI AND LET NORMAL PEOPLE MODERATE.

PIIIIIDDRRR SITE MODERATOR!

GO PADDDLAAAAAA CALL YOUR PROGRAM DIVISION, REMEMBER ............... FOR THE LIFE ..............

X__U ___ YOU WILL TAKE ME.

[Kamila]

Hmm. Horror. Can not be so.

[Azmaz]

Dear forum users.
I apologize in advance (to ORDERED USERS), for a checkmate, but I see, here the moderator from all AHU-EL !!! Fear lost to the fullest!
Not only is he a FULL UR-OD, Fascist, ZAS-RA-NEC and MU-DAK, but he also violates the RULES of the site.

So what kind of MODERATOR is he if UR-OD does not fulfill his DUTIES? And more than once I noticed his policy of double standards.

Here are the RULES

And here is an example

SO ASKED. MODER BLA-YT, WHICH XX-UU-YA YOU DO NOT REMOVE THESE POS? ANSWER PIIIDDDDRRRR?

WHAT DO YOU THINK FORBIDDING ME AND EVERYTHING? YES KUI THROUGH SHOULDER UUURROOOODDD. BUUUDDDUUUU TEEEBYWAY LONGOOOO EEEEBBAAAT AND YOU ARE SAME ON THE SITE, UNTIL YOU DAAAUUUNN YOU DO NOT COME TO YOURSELF.

I SAID TO YOU THAT I WILL MAKE IT FROM THIS SITE, BUT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANY UNDERSTANDING.

I'm watching you. Until you delete all the posts that offend Azerbaijan, I will bring you to the white knee.

PS David GANDDOND and the moderator is WORSE worse than PIIIDDRDRR that he does not delete his posts, where he offends the USERS.

[phantom359]

Wow. Here it is charged. Old man, calm down. Press information, not obscenities and emotions.

[416sd]

David, hold on and ...
And read along the way that your Muradyan writes about the role of Russia in the Caucasus:
http://www.lragir.am/russrc/comments-lrahos24575.html

Every day I watch your "isteropers" in discussions and I suspect that you belong to the category of people who go to English-language forums and praise Uncle Obama, to Russian-speaking ones and talk about friendship between peoples, etc. and in my own Vardanank and Operations only God, such as you and people like me (due to the duty of work) know what you are writing.

Omar, in some moments you make mistakes, you give a reason to run into yourself.

Because then, as always, the topic from helicopters went to the foreskin ....

[freedom12]

Quote: 416sd

Omar, in some moments you make mistakes, you give a reason to run into yourself.

eg?

[Yarbay]

Omar dear, he gave an example, the last line!

[416sd]

Well, you shouldn’t go into matters of religion, I still don’t think that the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict is religious. Arabs of Lebanon and Syria fought on the side of Armenians; Russian and mountain Jews fought on the side of Azerbaijanis. Iran supporting Armenia is another example.

[David]

The entire Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict (and given that Azerbaijan first appeared on the world map in 1918, before being the Ottoman Empire, then the Armenian-Turkish one), the conflict is religious in nature.
In our world, only Ideas are primary.
The rest follows them.

[freedom12]

Quote: David

The whole Armenian-Azerbaijani (and given that Azerbaijan first appeared on the world map in 1918,

Your grandfather appeared at 18 and Azerbaijan existed until 18. And when did Armenia appear? How many years of independence has Armenia received?

[freedom12]

Quote: David

The entire Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict (and given that Azerbaijan first appeared on the world map in 1918, before being the Ottoman Empire, then the Armenian-Turkish one), the conflict is religious in nature.

You then comrade to 18 did not exist. You were settled there. You're lying, as always, about us not being there. If we were not there, as you say, then it turns out that you were settled there by a lie? I showed you historical documents.
you refuse to show archives, it’s better not to. Be quiet until I spread everything again

[David]

416d, would have taken patronage over Omar))
And then he is very hot
Just do not slip into hysteria yourself
And these helicopters, if you are observing which day, have sucked up already a month ago.

[416sd]

Then what are you doing in this thread?
Create a new one - not about helicopters, but about the religious factor, and the flag is in your hands.

[David]

Had tried
The moderator wrote to me - I will not put this topic, again "srach" will begin.
This is verbatim.

[tankist64]

Correctly done, well done moderator!

[David]

Who is arguing

[Yarbay]

Geydar Mirza!
You are partially right !!
it’s just that one or the other harnessed this war out of religious convictions !!
The Arabs were mostly Armenians and Christians!
you can write a lot about the role of the Armenian Catalikos!
The religious factor was, is and will be!
if Azerbaijan were a Christian country, the question would have been resolved long ago !!

[David]

The question would not even have arisen
As if Armenia converted to Islam

[freedom12]

Quote: David

The question would not even have arisen
As if Armenia converted to Islam

I wrote in the top posts that if you accept Islam, then peace will come. I'm sorry, I was wrong. You are not curable. I was convinced of this.

[AAA3337]

The United States of America is a paradoxical country. Bribes there are prohibited by law, and offerings, especially collective ones, are allowed. The size of the offering, as in the rest of the world, determines the bribe., I'm sorry, the owner. The ritual of accepting offerings in the United States is adjusted to the smallest detail: the host organizes a joint absorption of food, for the right to participate in which guests pay hundreds of times more than if they ate at the most expensive restaurant in New York. At the same time, guests invited to listen to the owner are so carried away by the host's fiery speech that they often do not even have time to try the dishes displayed on the table.

Of course, I’m not going to criticize the charter of the American monastery and climb into the darkness of the American soul, so I ask you to take the previous paragraph as a prelude to the terrible otherworldly story that happened with US Vice President Joe Biden. This high-ranking official is now busy with an important state matter: raising funds for the presidential campaign of his boss - Barack Obama - the president of the United States without any prefix.

We have long known that Joe Biden is a courageous and purposeful person, capable, for the sake of achieving his goal, for any feats. Up to stay in the society of Anatolian and Transcaucasian Turks for twenty whole minutes. I think he was inspired by this recent story with an Indian fakir who spent 100 hours in a room with poisonous snakes. But Biden is a man not only courageous, but also pragmatic, so he decided to stay in the same room with different-sized Turks for no more than twenty minutes, and for the dubious “pleasure” of eating with them, the US Vice President requested a tidy sum from each guest’s head : 2,5 to three thousand dollars. The Indian fakir received applause and an entry in the Guinness Book of Records for his feat, and Biden, minus the cost of sandwiches, coffee and hard-boiled eggs, half a million dollars. The money received from the invited Turks went to the Obama Victory Fund, that is, Biden himself, too.

But Joe Biden seems to be inexcusably cheap. 20 minutes spent in the society of the Turks, seemed to him a month in the underworld. “You are dull as hell,” he told the assembled Turks, “and breakfast time is too long.” The Turks, genetically programmed to applause for any statement by their superiors, happily slammed. Confused by such a specific behavior of the invited public, Biden tried to educate the Turks for the unfortunate twenty laps of the second hand: “You are the most boring audience I have ever talked to.” But this did not help either. And then the US vice president loudly complained to his retinue: "They just sit staring at me." “Like sheep to a new gate,” added one of the retinues, who had accumulated Russian folklore in several trips to Russia.

Biden’s last attempt to awaken at least something human in the Turks - “Imagine that you are like me” - caused a complimentary giggle, familiar to all those who had been in contact with the Turks for at least 20 minutes: “The boss deigned to joke.” Nevertheless, Biden honestly worked out 500 thousand dollars, having released the Anatolian and Transcaucasian Turks on a compliment. He called Turkey “a valuable ally,” and Azerbaijan “a state with great potential." Later, already in the circle of his associates, Biden explained that he did not mean hydrocarbons (America has much more oil and gas than Azerbaijan), but the potential for awakening the human principle in the descendants of the depraved she-wolf. After that, the US vice president complained of a suffocating smell coming from the guests, because of which he had to constantly pinch his nose.

I think that Joe Biden, before meeting with the Turks, had to get acquainted with the impressions of Joseph Brodsky - in vain that America had sheltered him? - about Istanbul. Perhaps, in this case, his surprise at the gathered dim audience would not be so great. “Urine-fired embers of a bonfire. This smell! Admixture of bad tobacco and sweaty soap. And underneath, wrapped around their loins, that is your turban ... Ubiquitous concrete, the consistency of a dung and the colors of an open grave, ”wrote the Nobel Prize winner about Turkey’s largest city in his trip to Istanbul.

Nevertheless, Joe Biden, not expecting it himself, involuntarily found himself in the circle of chosen people who managed to visit hell and come back. Having gone through the hell of communication with the Turks, the US Vice President found himself in the same company with the pious Aeneas, the cunning Odysseus, the singer and musician Orpheus, the poet Dante ... A good company: even for the US Vice President.

Already after the hellish torment of Biden, it became known that at least the Transcaucasian Turks had breakfast with the US Vice President from the Heydar Aliyev Foundation. So the US Vice President has another reason for pride: he not only talked with hellish characters, but he also managed to get into the pocket of the master of hellish forces, Shaitan, not by chance coinciding with becoming the President of Azerbaijan.

I hope now Biden, and at the same time Obama, will appreciate the patience of the Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Lezghins, Talysh and other peoples, who for several centuries have suffered the presence of Turks and the fragrance emanating from them.

[416sd]

I think we are discussing stupidity, once again leaving for if yes.
ethno-territorial conflict. he is not religious. and not only the Armenians from the Middle East fought on the side of the Armenians, there were purebred Arabs, the most real. Again, with Iran, I do not just give an example.

[David]

All ethno-territorial conflicts are somehow connected with religion.
You are now telling that on the side of the Armenians "the whole world" fought.
Iran's position.
Iran's attitude to the distant Sunni heretics from Bosnia and to neighboring Shiite co-religionists from Azerbaijan was diametrically opposite. The frenzied Serbophobia of the Islamic Republic, which was expressed in comparison of Serbs with Zionists, contrasted sharply with the position “Armenia is not Israel, and Azerbaijanis are not Palestinians”. If in Bosnia Iran supported a jihad against Orthodox Serbs, then in the Karabakh conflict Iran tried to play the role of a mediator and reconcile the warring parties. But by a strange coincidence, both of Iran's mediation missions have failed. The first mission - the visit of Iranian Foreign Minister Ali-Akbar Velayati to Baku, Ganja and Yerevan on February 25-28, 1992 - was failed due to the fall of Khojaly. The second mission - the visit of Levon Ter-Petrosyan and Yagub Mammadov to Tehran and the signing of a communique on the basic principles of the peace agreement on May 7, 1992 - also failed, this time, due to the fall of Shushi. After that Iran stopped its mediation missions, but retained its benevolent attitude towards the Armenians. The Islamic Republic categorically obstructed the efforts of Azerbaijan and Turkey to declare jihad to the Armenians throughout the Muslim world and to impart a religious color to the Karabakh war. It was during this difficult period of the blockade by Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey that the 42-kilometer section of the Armenian-Iranian border became the only stable outlet for Armenia to the outside world. The 400-kilometer route linking the blockaded country with Iran was called “The Road of Life”, and Iranian food actually saved Armenians from starvation. Official Tehran also turned a blind eye to the expulsion of Azerbaijanis from areas adjacent to the NKR. For example, after the Armenians occupied the Zangelan region of the former AzSSR at the end of October 1993, thousands of Azerbaijanis accumulated on the banks of the border river Araks, hoping to move to Iran. Iranian President Rafsanjani, who was at that time in Baku and negotiating with Heydar Aliyev, called Ter-Petrosyan and “secured his promises to stop aggressive actions” [Azerbaijan is getting smaller // Pravda, November 3, 1993]. Iran, which received Azerbaijanis from the Zangelan region on its territory, slightly chided Armenia, and this, in fact, ended the whole matter.

Tehran’s attitude to the propaganda myths of Bosniaks (Srebrenica) and Azerbaijanis (Khojaly) is just as different. On the sixteenth anniversary of the “genocide in Srebrenica,” the Islamic Republic’s Foreign Ministry issued a statement saying: “Iran ... condemns the silence and neglect of the then leadership of Western countries and a number of international organizations and considers this genocide to be evidence of a double standard and adventurous West policy human rights policy. ” In fact, such a statement is a proof of the diagnosis of schizophrenia in the ruling circles of Iran. Iran itself, along with the West, slaughtered living Yugoslavia, and now, in order to hide this cooperation, it is hiding behind the Western myth of Srebrenica - they say that the Christian West did not want the appearance of a Muslim state in Europe and therefore helped Serb Christians to kill Bosnian Muslims. No less schizophrenic is a message from the RUSIRAN Information and Analytical Center: “some European states are trying to hide the scope of this terrifying crime in world history.” In fact, it was the European states who invented the myth of a “horrific crime in world history” to justify NATO aggression and the occupation of the Balkans. To further humiliate the Serbian people, on January 16, 15, the European Parliament proclaimed July 2009 “as a day of remembrance of the genocide in Srebrenica, where 11 civilians were killed by Bosnian Serb forces in 1995”. All these historical facts are obvious and lie on the surface, why do the Iranian authorities do not notice them point blank?

The humility with which Iran has accepted the Western myth of Srebrenica on faith contrasts sharply with the sensational revelations from the representative of Iran’s spiritual leader, Imam Juma of the city of Ardabil, Ayatollah Seyid Hassan Ameli. In May 2011, he said that in order to suppress Iran’s activity on the side of Azerbaijan during the Karabakh war and prepare for a coup, Israeli intelligence created the Ergenekon organization in Turkey. The implementation of this mission was entrusted to the Turkish general Veli Kuciuc. “For the successful implementation of the coup, large losses were needed at the front, in the literal sense, a heavy tragedy was needed. It was under such conditions that the Khojaly tragedy was staged. I talked a lot about this in my sermons and they accused me of blaming the Azerbaijani people for this. But I didn’t mean the whole nation, but the traitor politicians, ”Ayatollah Ameli said and added that this tragedy left a mark on the reputation of the Azerbaijani people. The imam-juma of the city of Ardabil believes that the Mossad actually stands behind the fall of Khojaly, the overthrow of Mutalibov and the rise to power of Elchibey, noting that after the coup “everything changed: cooperation stopped, aid was rejected, Iranian military who were arrested arrived at the invitation of the Azerbaijani side for cooperation in the joint headquarters. It was very strange that they were interrogated by investigators who arrived from Turkey and Israel. ” Summing up what Ayatollah Ameli said, it can be said that the military cooperation between Israel and Azerbaijan that arose under the Elchibey regime greatly worsened Iranian-Azerbaijani relations.

However, the roots of such a cool attitude towards “fraternal” Azerbaijan should be sought much deeper, namely, in the events of December 31, 1989. On that day, activists of the opposition Popular Front of Azerbaijan and local residents attacked the Azerbaijani section of the Soviet-Iranian border, destroyed the alarm system, destroyed barbed wire fences, destroyed engineering structures, burned down border towers, etc. It was an unprecedented event in the history of the Soviet Union - the external border with a foreign state was liquidated and became open to all comers. It is important to note that the Azerbaijanis themselves compared the destruction of the Soviet state border with the fall of the Berlin Wall. They cried and complained that after the Soviet troops left Iran in 1946, an “Iron Curtain” arose between North and South Azerbaijan and only now their families were able to reunite. On Rafsanjani, who was elected President of Iran five months before the incident, this parallel raised serious concerns for his own fate. After all, after the liquidation of the real Berlin Wall, the CIA and the KGB organized the so-called “Romanian Revolution” with the staging of a “mass murder” in Timisoara (recently buried corpses were hastily excavated and others were collected from morgues and then mutilated to imitate “genocide” in front of television cameras) . As a result, Nicolae Ceausescu, who shortly before (December 18, 1989) met with Rafsanjani and agreed on military-political and economic cooperation between Romania and Iran, was shot. This parallel was strengthened by the fact that the special services of Hungary and the Magyar national minority participated in the overthrow of the Ceausescu regime. Therefore, Tehran has become very suspicious of its northern neighbor. And after the Pan-Turkist Popular Front came to power, whose leaders set themselves the goal of tearing away the north-western Turkic-populated regions from Iran (“I’ll come to Iran, only to proclaim Tabriz the capital of Azerbaijan” and “Unification of two Azerbaijan is my cherished dream and goal”), Azerbaijan was generally regarded in Tehran as a hostile state. Tehran was well aware that the Armenocide is the essence of the policy of pan-Turkism, and if the pan-Turkists achieve their goal - the destruction of the “Armenian wedge” between Turkey and Azerbaijan, then their next goal will be Iran.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Iran_ethnicity_map2.png

And the separatism of Iranian Azerbaijanis will entail a chain reaction: the Kurds, Arabs, Balochis, Pashtuns (Afghans) and Turkmens will want to secede. And this will not be the worst option. After all, Karapakhis, Afshars, Khalajis, Qashqais and other Turkic-speaking peoples living in Iran will also want to join the Great Turan, and then the Iranians will be subjected to oturivanie and become as oppressed as the Kurds in Turkey. In general, this example proves the falsehood of the thesis of “Muslim unity”. The specific interests of preserving their nation, language, culture, state are much more important than the abstract "Muslim brotherhood". While Muslims are fighting somewhere far in the Balkans, they are “brothers” for the Turks. But if all Bosnian-Sanjak Muslims are deported to Turkey, compactly settled, say, in the province of Antalya, and after that they will require cultural autonomy (television, newspapers, textbooks in their native language), then the Turks will bring down the same repressions on their “brothers” like the Kurds.

[freedom12]

No one will read Wikipedia. And too many letters.

[AAA3337]

The United States of America is a paradoxical country. Bribes there are prohibited by law, and offerings, especially collective ones, are allowed. The size of the offering, as in the rest of the world, determines the bribe., I'm sorry, the owner. The ritual of accepting offerings in the United States is adjusted to the smallest detail: the host organizes a joint absorption of food, for the right to participate in which guests pay hundreds of times more than if they ate at the most expensive restaurant in New York. At the same time, guests invited to listen to the owner are so carried away by the host's fiery speech that they often do not even have time to try the dishes displayed on the table.

Of course, I’m not going to criticize the charter of the American monastery and climb into the darkness of the American soul, so I ask you to take the previous paragraph as a prelude to the terrible otherworldly story that happened with US Vice President Joe Biden. This high-ranking official is now busy with an important state matter: raising funds for the presidential campaign of his boss - Barack Obama - the president of the United States without any prefix.

We have long known that Joe Biden is a courageous and purposeful person, capable, for the sake of achieving his goal, for any feats. Up to stay in the society of Anatolian and Transcaucasian Turks for twenty whole minutes. I think he was inspired by this recent story with an Indian fakir who spent 100 hours in a room with poisonous snakes. But Biden is a man not only courageous, but also pragmatic, so he decided to stay in the same room with different-sized Turks for no more than twenty minutes, and for the dubious “pleasure” of eating with them, the US Vice President requested a tidy sum from each guest’s head : 2,5 to three thousand dollars. The Indian fakir received applause and an entry in the Guinness Book of Records for his feat, and Biden, minus the cost of sandwiches, coffee and hard-boiled eggs, half a million dollars. The money received from the invited Turks went to the Obama Victory Fund, that is, Biden himself, too.

But Joe Biden seems to be inexcusably cheap. 20 minutes spent in the society of the Turks, seemed to him a month in the underworld. “You are dull as hell,” he told the assembled Turks, “and breakfast time is too long.” The Turks, genetically programmed to applause for any statement by their superiors, happily slammed. Confused by such a specific behavior of the invited public, Biden tried to educate the Turks for the unfortunate twenty laps of the second hand: “You are the most boring audience I have ever talked to.” But this did not help either. And then the US vice president loudly complained to his retinue: "They just sit staring at me." “Like sheep to a new gate,” added one of the retinues, who had accumulated Russian folklore in several trips to Russia.

Biden’s last attempt to awaken at least something human in the Turks - “Imagine that you are like me” - caused a complimentary giggle, familiar to all those who had been in contact with the Turks for at least 20 minutes: “The boss deigned to joke.” Nevertheless, Biden honestly worked out 500 thousand dollars, having released the Anatolian and Transcaucasian Turks on a compliment. He called Turkey “a valuable ally,” and Azerbaijan “a state with great potential." Later, already in the circle of his associates, Biden explained that he did not mean hydrocarbons (America has much more oil and gas than Azerbaijan), but the potential for awakening the human principle in the descendants of the depraved she-wolf. After that, the US vice president complained of a suffocating smell coming from the guests, because of which he had to constantly pinch his nose.

I think that Joe Biden, before meeting with the Turks, had to get acquainted with the impressions of Joseph Brodsky - in vain that America had sheltered him? - about Istanbul. Perhaps, in this case, his surprise at the gathered dim audience would not be so great. “Urine-fired embers of a bonfire. This smell! Admixture of bad tobacco and sweaty soap. And underneath, wrapped around their loins, that is your turban ... Ubiquitous concrete, the consistency of a dung and the colors of an open grave, ”wrote the Nobel Prize winner about Turkey’s largest city in his trip to Istanbul.

Nevertheless, Joe Biden, not expecting it himself, involuntarily found himself in the circle of chosen people who managed to visit hell and come back. Having gone through the hell of communication with the Turks, the US Vice President found himself in the same company with the pious Aeneas, the cunning Odysseus, the singer and musician Orpheus, the poet Dante ... A good company: even for the US Vice President.

Already after the hellish torment of Biden, it became known that at least the Transcaucasian Turks had breakfast with the US Vice President from the Heydar Aliyev Foundation. So the US Vice President has another reason for pride: he not only talked with hellish characters, but he also managed to get into the pocket of the master of hellish forces, Shaitan, not by chance coinciding with becoming the President of Azerbaijan.

I hope now Biden, and at the same time Obama, will appreciate the patience of the Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Lezghins, Talysh and other peoples, who for several centuries have suffered the presence of Turks and the fragrance emanating from them.

[freedom12]

Therefore, the promotion of the inspired movement was increasing. Theater Square in Yerevan began to boil, and at the beginning of 1988 the "Karabakh problem" reached the all-Union level. The period began to bring to the appropriate union structures (from Armenia and Stepanakert) information about the "oppression of Armenians by Azerbaijanis", finding the "culture of the ancient people" in the NKAR "in a catastrophic state", etc.

On February 12, an indefinite wave of rallies was launched in NKAO. And on February 20, party-Soviet bodies on the ground officially entered the field of “will”. Exactly after the Plenum held in Moscow (February 17), the session of the Council of People’s Deputies of Nagorno-Karabakh decided to ask the Supreme Councils of Azerbaijan, Armenia and the USSR “to resolve the issue of transferring the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Republic from the structure of the Azerbaijan SSR to the Armor.

This confirms the controllability of the unfolding processes "from above", because in conditions that have not yet gained full momentum, the so-called "Perestroika glasnost" the regional council could not show an unauthorized initiative. But outwardly, the activation of the elected authorities of the NKAR was due, as it were, to the audibility of the "voice of the people."

The result was not long in coming. As early as February 22, the first victims of the conflict appeared, which was recorded in the chronology for 1988 of the BBC Russian Service portal: “two Azerbaijanis were killed in a skirmish in Askeran” (near Stepanakert) (See: Chronology for 1988 ” on the site of the “Russian BBC Service”).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/news/newsid_3681000/3681079.stm

[416sd]

1. About Serbs: So you got caught. In Azerbaijan, they thought for a long time what attitude to develop towards the conflict in Kosovo. The Islamic factor collided with the separatist factor. Azerbaijan could not go across the position of the entire Islamic world and support the Serbs. But he did it. It is indeed one of the few (probably the only) country, and even sitting in the UN Security Council, which supports the territorial integrity of Serbia and will never recognize Kosovo.In addition, there are significant value parallels - Kosovo for a Serb is a heart, a spirit, without Kosovo, a Serb is not Serb. Like Azerbaijan, it is not Azerbaijan without Karabakh, which has historically been the cradle of the culture, poetry and music of the Azerbaijani Turks. Suffice it to say that from Hajibeyov and Bulbul to the pioneer ensemble "Karabakh Nightingales" at the beginning of the 20th century, all our Soviet singers and composers came from the city of Shusha. Serbia and Azerbaijan are reliable partners, natural, which is most important. There is no need to draw analogies between Boshniks, Kosovars and Azerbaijanis - if you are doing this for Russian eyes, then this is stupid - people can simply go to other pages on the Internet and read what is Azerbaijan's attitude to the conflict in Yugoslavia in general and in Kosovo.
2. About the second mission (LTP and YM). David, you write that "The second mission - the visit of Levon Ter-Petrosyan and Yagub Mammadov to Tehran and the signing of a communiqué on the basic principles of the peace agreement on May 7, 1992 - also failed, this time, because of the fall of Shushi." There is no need to hide the truth behind a vague wording for Russian eyes. In fact, everything was very simple - Iran acted as the guarantor of the ceasefire, it was a complete cessation of hostilities, and Shusha was surrendered in the midst of negotiations. If you have ever been to Shusha, and I am sure that you were there, you will understand that you cannot TAKE Shusha, you can only hand over it. Even a herd of sheep armed with their own bleating could defend a city against an entire brigade. After the fall of Shushi, confidence in the Iranian side disappeared completely. But this is by the way, and the main reason for bad relations with Iran is the irreparable mistakes made by the government of the Popular Front of Azerbaijan in 1992-1993, the emphasis on Bozgurdism and Pan-Turkism. however, many know this. G. Aliyev then 10 years cleared away all the mess in relations with Iran that the APF had brewed.
3. You have written the words of Ayatollah Seyid Hassan Amelie that "in order to suppress Iran's activity on the side of Azerbaijan during the Karabakh war and prepare a coup d'etat, Israeli intelligence has created the Ergenekon organization in Turkey." Well, what can I say - I'm certainly a practicing Muslim, but Ayatollah is not the best source for judging world geopolitics. Ergenekon was in fact created by the United States and Israel, but its goals were different, it was part of the Gladio plan, and its roots go back to the history of Turkey in the mid-20th century. If this story is unknown to you, then I simply will not continue the discussion with you on this topic, do not be offended. The Ayatollah's quote is something like "the Germans brought Lenin to power in order to destroy the Empire."
4. About the events of December 1989 - complete nonsense. Iran itself was interested in the fall of the border - the Ayatollahs thought that Azerbaijan would wear a hijab at breakneck speed and become a "younger brother". Moreover, the PFA was not yet in power, and within the PFA itself in 1989, Russian-speaking intellectuals predominated, not Bozgurd and not Turkic-Turanian ultras. At that moment it was not yet clear which direction this new political establishment would turn - towards the Turks, Iran or the West.
5. Regarding the separatism of Azerbaijanis in Iran. You know, there are 23 million of them. and we 9. if the matter goes far - it will suck us there, and not them to us. We do not need this. We are united by language, culture and the Shia denomination. Point. Nothing more. Since 1828, we have been living under Russian influence, we are a secular nation, which, through the Empire and then the USSR, was attached to European values. In fact, these are two different nations. with different levels of education, worldview, etc. Azerbaijani society is well aware of this, IT DOESN'T NEED US. Another issue is that what is written in Israel, the United States and a number of other media outlets, including the Azerbaijani ones, very often passes out as the position of the country's authorities (Azerbaijan).
6. In fact, the contradictions between Iran and Azerbaijan are much deeper. And they lie in the very history of the formation of Azerbaijanis as a nation. We are a young nation. National consolidation in our country began at the beginning of the 19th century under the influence of the Empire, which transmitted European values ​​to Azerbaijanis and ended at the beginning of the 20th century, when Azerbaijanis within the USSR formed as a socialist nation (it was during the Soviet years that the golden age of Azerbaijani culture and art began). Through the efforts of Russia for hundreds of years on the basis of the Turkic tribes of Azerbaijan, a secular Azerbaijani nation was formed. And from what it all began - from the fact that the Turkic khanates of Azerbaijan at the beginning of the 19th century crossed over to Russia. Iran still has claims to these territories. They do not perceive us as a nation, for them we are still "Muslim shuravis". Everything else - Israel, USA, etc. - only players who use historical prerequisites as a weapon to weaken Iran.

Russian analysts are well aware that Azerbaijan will not be used in the war against Iran. If Iran had evidence of the sale of our airfields, etc. Israelis - this evidence would have long been provided as an element of inf. war. If they are not provided, then they are not. As for Israel's sale of air defense systems to Azerbaijan, why is the anti-Iranian moment so emphasized? And what, only Israeli air defense systems can shoot down Iranian aircraft, or the S-300 system sold to us by Russia cannot? Gentlemen, if today on Russian media types from the category of Rajab Safarov speak foaming at the mouth and shaking their fists "we have proof", "Azerbaijan is plotting against Iran", etc., then ask yourself a question - would Russia sell to Azerbaijan C -300 if there was no confidence in Azerbaijan's position on Iran? I will not write about Iran for a long time, I will give two links to my own material where everything else is said:

http://newcaucasus.com/index.php?newsid=5671
http://www.news.az/articles/politics/58866



A few links on Kosovo and Serbs:

Azerbaijan impeded recognition of Kosovo in Organization of Islamic Conference
08: 22 26.05.2009

Meanwhile, three resolutions on the Karabakh issue were adopted at the meeting.

From May 23 to May 25 in Damascus (Syria) the 36th meeting of the Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the countries participating in the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) was held. According to the press service of the Foreign Ministry, Azerbaijan was represented at this event by the Minister of the country Elmar Mammadyarov. The agenda of the event included 80 issues that meet the interests of the OIC member countries, including three resolutions relating to the Karabakh conflict. Among them, assistance to Azerbaijan in connection with the occupation of lands, the destruction of Islamic cultural monuments in the occupied territories.

Speaking at the plenary meeting, Elmar Mammadyarov spoke about important events in our country. The Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry also spoke in connection with the Karabakh issue and the Armenian aggression.

OIC Secretary General Ekmeladdin Ehsanoglu once again noted that the OIC fully supports Azerbaijan in this matter and confirms the Armenian aggression. He also demanded the immediate withdrawal of Armenian troops from the occupied territories.

During the meeting of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Azerbaijan, Elmar Mammadyarov held a number of bilateral meetings.

The OIC meeting was supposed to end last night with the adoption of resolutions.

Meanwhile, according to the Arab media, Azerbaijan has failed the recognition of Kosovo by the Organization of the Islamic Conference. The same media write that recently Azerbaijan resisted the admission of Kosovo to the IMF. "Serbia is satisfied with the position of Azerbaijan," said Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremic.

Thanks to the position of Azerbaijan, the project proposed by Saudi Arabia on the recognition of Kosovo as Muslim countries in the framework of the 36th session of the Council of Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the OIC held in Damascus failed.

Currently, 60 countries have recognized Kosovo, including nine out of 57 OIC member countries. Saudi Arabia became the second Arab state after the United Arab Emirates to recognize the sovereignty of the southern region of Serbia. Serbian authorities fear that the influence that Saudi Arabia enjoys in the Arab world could trigger a new wave of recognition of Kosovo’s independence.

Director of the Institute of Political Innovations and Technologies Mubariz Ahmedoglu expressed his support for this decision of Azerbaijan. "The principle of the territorial integrity of states should prevail throughout the world. Azerbaijan's position on the non-recognition of Kosovo is quite understandable. Armenia occupied Azerbaijani territories, and therefore violated the territorial integrity of our country. We are not Western powers to act on a policy of double standards. This means that we must support the territorial integrity of Serbia. If we participate in any conference, we must clearly express our position. "

"When this issue was raised in the OIC for the first time, and it was raised by Turkey. Then many said that Azerbaijan, as a partner of Turkey, recognizes Kosovo," says Mubariz Ahmedoglu, "However, Azerbaijan did not recognize the independence of Kosovo and acted very rightly. At the meeting, Azerbaijan once again confirmed its position on this issue. OIC members should understand the essence of Azerbaijan's position, "the political scientist concluded.

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By the way, Northern Cyprus, we also do not recognize. Even the flights were canceled.

[David]

According to Shushi, the newcomers of the Azeri-Turkic nomads had the opposite: for them, Karabakh was just a territory that needed to be captured and colonized. Therefore, in Azerbaijan, the war was a matter of prestige, a question of the struggle for power. After Azerbaijan seceded from the USSR, political coups constantly took place in Baku (Ayaz Mutalibov - Yagub Mammadov - again Ayaz Mutalibov - Abulfaz Elchibey - Heydar Aliyev), and in the south of the former Azerbaijan Republic in June-August 1993 there was even such an unrecognized autonomy like Talysh-Mugan Republic. In order to support their leader in the next coup (and suppress the Talysh rebellion), entire brigades and battalions left for Baku, leaving holes and holes in the front line, which the Armenians instantly used. Moreover, the Azerbaijani army at that time, strictly speaking, was an army of gangs and gangs, with all their inherent “democracy” and “pluralism”. Each Azerbaijani military commander and field commander themselves decided what to do: to advance or retreat, break through to the unit that was surrounded or to loot in captured Armenian villages. Here is how one of the defenders of Shushi, Shamil Basayev, explained the reasons for the fall of the alpine fortress: “Shusha was simply left to their own devices. About seven hundred Armenians went on the offensive, so what! Having such a strong garrison and such a quantity of weapons, besides considering the strategically advantageous position occupied by Shusha, a hundred people could hold the city for at least a year. But there was no organization ... there was no single management. No one answered for anything ”[Interview with the Azerbaijani television company ANS TV of July 14, 2000 (aired on July 19)]. Well, if a Chechen terrorist was once honest and truthful, then this is exactly the same case.

In Serbia - Moreover, the Azeri Turks are now praising the Croatian neo-Ustashi, who in August 1995, with the support of NATO, organized the genocide operation “Oluya” against the Krajina Serbs:
“The only formula for solving the Karabakh problem is the formula that the late Croatian leader Franjo Tudjman and Serbian Kraina applied at one time, I don’t see another way to solve the Karabakh problem.”
This was stated by the leader of the Social Democratic Party of Azerbaijan (SDPA) Araz Ali-zade.

In Northern Cyprus - There is another parallel, which inevitably brings to mind the famous saying of Jesus Christ: "Do not mark the beads in front of the pigs." It is widely believed that the Baltic republics were the first to leave the Soviet Union, and Slovenia and Croatia were the first to leave Yugoslavia. However, it is not. The “parade of sovereignty” in the USSR and the SFRY was headed by Nakhichevan and Kosovo! On January 19, 1990, the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic adopted the Decree “On the Socio-Political Situation in the Nakhchivan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic,” according to which it was declared that “the Nakhichevan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic is leaving the USSR and declares itself an independent republic.” One of the reasons for this step was called that “the terms of the Kars Agreement concluded between Turkey, the Azerbaijan SSR, the Armenian SSR and the Georgian SSR with the participation of the RSFSR were grossly violated” (by these “gross violations of the terms of the Kars Treaty” was meant “military aggression by the Armenian SSR, as a result of which the territorial integrity of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was in danger and a real threat to the lives of its citizens arose ”). On this occasion, the decree of the Supreme Council of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic said that in order to preserve the territorial integrity of the Nakhchivan Republic, the Republic of Turkey was seeking help. This unrecognized state, existed on the territory of the Soviet Union for ten months and in November 1990 again became part of the Azerbaijan SSR already in the form of the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic. However, this circumstance did not prevent the Azeri-Turkish invaders from turning “Armenian Kosovo” into a certain subject of international relations. For example, November 15, 1991 Nakhchivan, led by Heydar Aliyev, officially recognized the independence of the “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus”. We see something similar in the case of Kosovo. In September 1990, the Albanian deputies of the dissolved Assembly of Kosovo, gathered in the town of Kachanik, proclaimed the full independence of the Republic of Kosovo. Realizing that the legitimacy of such “independence” is rather doubtful, they organized a secret referendum exactly one year later and announced that as a result of the free will of the population, almost 100% of Kosovars spoke in favor of independence. The Serbian population of Kosovo, of course, boycotted. Despite this, the provisional government of the Republic of Kosovo was formed, which immediately received diplomatic recognition from Albania, supported by the parliament of Albania. The rest of the world refrained from such a decision, as they were busy assisting the Catholic-Muslim Ustash in the policy of genocide of the Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina, the borders of which were also arbitrarily cut by the Communists. Only after the bombing of 1999 and nine years of NATO occupation did Kosovo receive “international recognition”. In what happened, you can see, so to speak, the practical implementation of the words of Jesus Christ from the Sermon on the Mount: “Do not give the shrine to the dogs and do not throw your pearls before the pigs, so that they do not trample it under their feet and, turning, do not tear you to pieces” . The Soviet Union and Socialist Yugoslavia were created simultaneously with such genocidal administrative-territorial entities as Nakhichevan and Kosovo. The Communists probably believed that the policy of “friendship of peoples” and “brotherhood and unity” would turn Azeri Turks and Albanians into people, and gave them autonomy along with ancient Christian monuments.

[Ataturk]

The development of the "Armenian issue" in the "Karabakh frame" in the late 1980s. XX century

As usual, the next stage in initiating the “Armenian movement” began from the outside. “By a lucky coincidence” coinciding with the period of Mikhail Gorbachev being in power in the USSR.

Following the international conference “The Armenian Question and Turkish Expansionism” (Athens) held in the spring of 1987 in June of the same year, the European Parliament adopted a resolution “On a Political Solution of the Armenian Question”. Although the document did not directly concern the Armenians of the USSR, the subtlety was the joint initiation of a bill of the Communist and Socialist factions of the European Parliament. Thus, a kind of message was sent to the head of the USSR, who officially announced the beginning of an era of “new political thinking”. The signal could not be heard, and the inspiration of the "Karabakh movement" began.

Naturally, from a place: the factor of collecting the signatures of the Karabakh Armenians turned out to be involved under the requirements on the need to join the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region (NKAO) of Azerbaijan to Armenia. As the Voice of Armenia newspaper noted, “it’s useful for us to recall that it was Alexander Yakovlev (a member of the Politburo who was considered the leader of the“ democratic ”wing of the CPSU - approx. Author) at that time and his entourage who played an important role in stimulating the Karabakh process (gathering signatures in Karabakh, etc.) ”(See: Ksenia Myalo. Russia and the last wars of the 1989th century (2000-XNUMX).

Already in August, the deputies of the Karabakh Armenians went to Moscow to "familiarize" the center with the "justification" of "reunification." Thus, there is a situation identical to the initiation of the “Armenian issue” in the Ottoman Empire.

The movement was “untwisted” according to the approved scheme: voicing the “problem” outside the country - discussing it in international structures - “ensuring” “expression of will” on the ground. The matter remained small: a demonstration of "understanding" of the "aspirations of the people" in the highest echelons of power of the USSR.

No problem. In November 1987 (one month after leaving all posts of Heydar Aliyev, the then-economic adviser M. Gorbachev, Abel Aganbegyan, in an interview with the French newspaper “Humanite” stated the following: “As an economist, I believe that [Karabakh] is more connected with Armenia than with Azerbaijan. In this regard, I made one proposal ”(See: Events around the NKAR in the crooked mirror of falsifiers (Collection of materials).

It should be noted that in an interview with A. Aganbegyan, “communist handwriting” from the outside was again involved (“Humanite” is an organ of the French communists). That is, the western trace did not appear externally as pressure on the USSR of "predators-imperialists", but looked as if it were "their own."

Even partially familiar with the Soviet political system, they know that the statements of senior communist officials abroad reflected the official point of view of the country's top authorities. Consequently, voiced by A. Aganbegyan passed the “run-in” in the Kremlin. Therefore, his phrase “Humanite”: “I hope that in the conditions of perestroika and democracy this problem will find its solution,” was far from spontaneous.

And this speaks only of one thing: the launch of the "Armenian issue" within the USSR was carried out by the country's leader. Otherwise, a disavowal by the adviser to the Secretary General of the Central Committee of the CPSU would necessarily follow. Therefore, even with all the desire, it does not seem possible to agree with what Mikhail Gorbachev said after blood was shed later: “I myself do not know the solution. If I knew, I would not have reckoned with any regulations, nor with what is, what has already happened, etc. But I don’t know! ”(See: Anatoly Chernyaev. 1991: Diary of the Assistant to the President of the USSR) . Was A. Aganbegyan’s proposal not aimed at redrawing the borders in the USSR?

http://lib.ru/MEMUARY/GORBACHEV/chernow.txt

[Ataturk]

So it’s quite obvious: the supreme power of the Soviet Union led the most important “interethnic” party in “its own field”. It is no coincidence that Svetlana Lurie, head of the inter-department research center for ethnopsychology at Yerevan State University, writes: “It can be said with absolute certainty that starting the struggle for Karabakh, the Armenians were sure that they were acting with the permission of Moscow and with its encouragement. Otherwise, the movement would never have gone to the masses ”(See: Svetlana Lurie. Image of Russia and Russians in the modern mass Yerevan consciousness). http: //svlourie.naro...tion/Russia.htm

http://svlourie.narod.ru/civilization/Russia.htm

Therefore, the promotion of the inspired movement was increasing. Theater Square in Yerevan began to boil, and at the beginning of 1988 the "Karabakh problem" reached the all-Union level. The period began to bring to the appropriate union structures (from Armenia and Stepanakert) information about the "oppression of Armenians by Azerbaijanis", finding the "culture of the ancient people" in the NKAR "in a catastrophic state", etc.

On February 12, an indefinite wave of rallies was launched in NKAO. And on February 20, party-Soviet bodies on the ground officially entered the field of “will”. Exactly after the Plenum held in Moscow (February 17), the session of the Council of People’s Deputies of Nagorno-Karabakh decided to ask the Supreme Councils of Azerbaijan, Armenia and the USSR “to resolve the issue of transferring the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Republic from the structure of the Azerbaijan SSR to the Armor.

This confirms the controllability of the unfolding processes "from above", because in conditions that have not yet gained full momentum, the so-called "Perestroika glasnost" the regional council could not show an unauthorized initiative. But outwardly, the activation of the elected authorities of the NKAR was due, as it were, to the audibility of the "voice of the people."

The result was not long in coming. Already on February 22, the first victims of the conflict appeared, which was recorded in the chronology for 1988 of the BBC Russian Service portal: “two Azerbaijanis were killed in a skirmish in Askeran” (near Stepanakert) (See: Chronology for 1988 ” on the website of the “Russian BBC Service”). http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/news/newsid_3681000/3681079.stm

Azerbaijani refugee factor

According to the same resource, on January 25, "Azerbaijanis were expelled from the Kafan region of Armenia." And the M. Gorbachev Foundation admits that “on January 25.01.1988, 1988, the first hundreds of Azerbaijani refugees from the Kafan and Meghri regions of Armenia arrived in Azerbaijan” (See: Chronicle of Perestroika / 1988 "). A number of other sources call the date of the initial refugees of the conflict the twentieth of February, but in any case, the presence of Azerbaijani refugees in early XNUMX is not disputed by anyone.

The head of the “Z” department of the KGB of the USSR at that time, Vladimir Lutsenko and the head of the department of this department, Valery Khmelev, are trying to justify this fact as if by reaction to Askeran events: “Panic started among the Azerbaijani population living in Armenia. Many residents of the Kafan region took off and went to Baku to seek protection ”(See: Vladimir Lutsenko, Valery Khmelev. Interview with Trud newspaper (No. 20 of 01.02.2001/XNUMX/XNUMX).

http://www.trud.ru/article/01-02-2001/18874_10_ballov_po_shkale_politbjuro.html

The presence of February refugees is also recorded by the Armenian side. Publicist Samvel Shahmuradyan admits: “In the twentieth numbers, mainly from this (Kafansky - approx. Author), as well as from other areas with the Azerbaijani population, refugees began to flock to Azerbaijan”. True, he adds: “What if not the will and incitement of those planning a future massacre made them suddenly leave their places of permanent residence?” (See: Sumgait ... Genocide ... Glasnost? ”Collection of the Armenian historical and educational society“ Gushamatyan ”with the assistance of the Armenian society“ Knowledge ”). (In parentheses you can see that, focusing on the last question, S. Shakhmuradyan, even out of his will, actually indicates the initial control of the conflict. Therefore, he cannot but acknowledge the supervision of the whole process of “reunification will”).

http://www.sumgait.info/sumgait/sumgait-genocide-glasnost1.htm

Azerbaijani refugee factor

According to the same resource, on January 25, "Azerbaijanis were expelled from the Kafan region of Armenia." And the M. Gorbachev Foundation admits that “on January 25.01.1988, 1988, the first hundreds of Azerbaijani refugees from the Kafan and Meghri regions of Armenia arrived in Azerbaijan” (See: Chronicle of Perestroika / 1988 "). A number of other sources call the date of the initial refugees of the conflict the twentieth of February, but in any case, the presence of Azerbaijani refugees in early XNUMX is not disputed by anyone.

The head of the “Z” department of the KGB of the USSR at that time, Vladimir Lutsenko and the head of the department of this department, Valery Khmelev, are trying to justify this fact as if by reaction to Askeran events: “Panic started among the Azerbaijani population living in Armenia. Many residents of the Kafan region took off and went to Baku to seek protection ”(See: Vladimir Lutsenko, Valery Khmelev. Interview with Trud newspaper (No. 20 of 01.02.2001/XNUMX/XNUMX).

The presence of February refugees is also recorded by the Armenian side. Publicist Samvel Shahmuradyan admits: “In the twentieth numbers, mainly from this (Kafansky - approx. Author), as well as from other areas with the Azerbaijani population, refugees began to flock to Azerbaijan”. True, he adds: “What if not the will and incitement of those planning a future massacre made them suddenly leave their places of permanent residence?” (See: Sumgait ... Genocide ... Glasnost? ”Collection of the Armenian historical and educational society“ Gushamatyan ”with the assistance of the Armenian society“ Knowledge ”). (In parentheses you can see that, focusing on the last question, S. Shakhmuradyan, even out of his will, actually indicates the initial control of the conflict. Therefore, he cannot but acknowledge the supervision of the whole process of “reunification will”).

In turn, in the context of refugees, Russian researcher Konstantin Voevodsky writes that a military unit “arrived at Kafan district to prevent the massacre of Azerbaijanis, scheduled according to the“ signals received in Moscow on February 20 ”. According to him, “experts in stripes” carried out “an analysis of the migration of Azerbaijanis from the region [which did not give] anything remarkable, except for the sudden departure of about 200 Azerbaijanis to Baku on February 27 with one train” (See: Konstantin Voevodsky. Perestroika in Karabakh mirror). http://sumgait.info/press/pro-armenia-magazine/pro-armenia-9301.htm

As subsequent events show, the date of February 27 was far from random. On February 26, at the suggestion of Alexander Yakovlev, famous Armenian writers Silva Kaputikyan and Zoriya Balayan were received by M. Gorbachev: “I told them that we know the whole history of the issue ... Fate swept away the Armenian people - we all understand that ... I see. .. many omissions, in Karabakh itself, plus an emotional beginning ... Everything that has historically happened to these people is sitting there, and therefore everything that hurts him causes such a reaction ”(See: Transcript of the Politburo meeting of the CPSU Central Committee from February 29, 1988). http://sumgait.info/sumgait/politburo-meeting-29-february-1988.htm

An analysis of what was said by M. Gorbachev, who did not give a political assessment of the separatist tendencies, testifies to his actual demonstration of the perception of the “rightness” of the “Armenian movement”. Z. Balayan admits that “the reception of writers from a union republic at such a high level was an unprecedented phenomenon” (See: Zory Balayan. Fire and stench).

http://www.golos.am/index.php?Itemid=41&id=22701&option=com_content&task=view


According to the recollections of the head of the military group of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, General Henry Malyushkin, “having returned to Yerevan ... Kaputikyan shared her impressions on local television:“ The conversation lasted about four hours ... Noting that we often repeat the words “Nagorno-Karabakh”, comrade Gorbachev said : “In my opinion, this word means“ Artsakh ”“ (See: Heinrich Malyushkin. Hat of Karabakh).

Thus, the information about the meeting instantly became the property of the Armenian and Azerbaijani public, perceived as a manifestation of Kremlin support for the idea of ​​"reunification." Obviously, this very result was part of the meeting plan of M. Gorbachev with representatives of the Armenian intelligentsia.

Fixing that the Moscow meeting “gave strength and inspiration” to Armenian ideologists, G. Malyushkin emphasizes that “Mikhail Sergeyevich played along with him in his usual manner”.

But the "great Gorbi" did not "play along", but directly played the Karabakh card. Indeed, there is one more important aspect of the conversation of M. Gorbachev with S. Kaputikyan and Z. Balayan. According to Andrei Grachev, subsequently adviser, press secretary of M. Gorbachev - the president of the USSR, the head of the country “warned:“ Imagine what will happen to the Armenians in Azerbaijan - there are 500 thousand of them! ” (See Andrey Grachev. Gorbachev. A man who wanted the best). http://lib.ru/MEMUARY/GORBACHEV/grachev.txt

According to Z. Balayan, the secretary general “said:“ Have you thought about the fate of the two hundred and seven thousand Armenians living in Baku? ” Even taking into account the discrepancy in numbers, the fact remains: encouraging the Armenian side, M. Gorbachev informed the guests about the programmed events. Naturally, not to prevent them, but in the interests of early withdrawal of responsibility for the intended.

Thus, in the third decade of February 1988, all the elements existed in the region that were supposed to blow up the electrified situation: territorial claims against Azerbaijan, the death of two Azerbaijanis and the presence of refugees. It only remained to push the situation towards an open confrontation, which was not difficult for managers.

[Ataturk]

Sumgait. February 27, 1988

On February 26, a rally in support of the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan was held in Sumgait without any excesses. On the 27th, it continued with the participation of several thousand people, including the leadership of the city. From the evening of this Saturday day, facts of violence against residents of the city - Armenians by nationality, which lasted until February 29, began to be recorded. The dry figures of the riots (32 dead, of which 26 are Armenians and 6 Azerbaijanis) seem to confirm the established point of view on the Sumgayit events: outrageous Azerbaijanis kill Armenians who, while defending themselves, also deliver separate blows.

But it is not possible to consider the events in Sumgait only from the point of view of “bare” figures. Because the whole chain of events clearly indicates the direction of the process by the highest echelons of power of the USSR. This is confirmed by the following.

According to a number of sources, in the evening of February 27, in a speech on Central Television (according to other sources - Baku radio), the Deputy Prosecutor General of the USSR Alexander Katusev, 5 (!) Days after the Askeran events, reported the nationality of the victims. As S. Shahmuradyan notes, “the text of the message [A. Katusev] agreed with the first secretary of the Nagorno-Karabakh regional party committee, G. A. Poghosyan, and he insisted on withdrawing the mention of“ the ethnic factor. ” “The Deputy Prosecutor General in his first two speeches did not tell the nationality of the killed, but a few days later decided to“ remember ”that the dead were Azerbaijanis” (See: Sumgait ... Genocide ... Glasnost? ”Collection of the Armenian Historical and Educational Society“ Gushamatyan ”With the assistance of the Armenian society“ Knowledge ”).

http://www.sumgait.info/sumgait/sumgait-genocide-glasnost1.htm

Against this background, the script conductors competently beat the refugee aspect. KGB officers V. Lutsenko and V. Khmelev claim that Baku "officials drove them from office to office, no one listened to them ... Hungry, unheated, they went to Sumgayit and began to paint the horrors of their exile and situation." (See: Vladimir Lutsenko, Valery Khmelev. Interview with the Trud newspaper (No. 20, February 01.02.2001, XNUMX)

From here the randomness of the departure of 200 Azerbaijani refugees from Armenia can be seen precisely on February 27 in unison with the unrest in Sumgait. This makes the explanation of violence in Sumgait “digestible” for further clarification to the public: some Azerbaijanis are killed by Armenians in the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region, others are expelled from Armenia, and others (together with the “second”) are beginning to take revenge. It is this interpretation that emerges from the "revelations" of former senior officials of the KGB of the USSR.

But an eyewitness to the events, at that time a serviceman of the Soviet Army Viktor Nikolaev, writes that "two hours before the time" X "in the city all the phones were disconnected" (See: Victor Nikolaev. Alive in help). According to other sources, a power outage occurred in a number of microdistricts for a certain period. Interestingly, the same A. Katusev a few days later called the telephone network issue “fabrications”. Naturally, it was precisely the angle of “spontaneity” that fit into the pogrom scenario. Although, according to V. Nikolaev, “the roar of the gangs in the city was heard almost simultaneously - as if someone had pressed the bell ... Armenians, who dare, often looking around in the streets, started running into nearby police stations for clarification. The answer invariably sounded: "Sit at home! ... The situation is under control" (Victor Nikolaev. Alive in help). http://sp.voskres.ru/prose/nikolaev1.htm

The point here is not the presence of rioters or provocateurs at a rally. Since February 27, civilians are dying in Sumgait. The outrages do not last an hour or two. And even not for a day. And the central authorities of the Soviet country are inactive, practically contributing to the expansion of the scale of the tragedy.

[Ataturk]

Sumgait. February 28-29, 1988

According to researcher Armen Marukyan, “units of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the country began to arrive in Sumgayit on the evening of the 28th, and a day later in the evening of the 29th at least ten Armenians were killed and dozens of apartments were pogromed. When the troops entered Sumgayit, helpless people rushed for help to armored personnel carriers, to which the military replied that they had no order to intervene. In this case, the question arises: why were the troops introduced? ” (See: Armen Marukyan. Legal Aspects of the Armenian Genocide on the Territory of Azerbaijan in 1988-1990 on the Example of Sumgait). http://www.rau.am/downloads/sumgait_seminar.pdf

According to Svante Cornell, director general of the Institute for Central Asian and Caucasus Studies at Johns Hopkins University (USA), “the fact that Soviet army units and internal troops were in Sumgait did not change anything; the army seemed to only calmly watch the pogrom from the outside ... the Soviet authorities not only did not intend to prevent bloodshed, but also sought to create a conflict between the two ethnic communities "(See: Svante Cornell. The conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh: dynamics and prospects of solution) .


Later, the leaders of the power structures referred to the absence of an order from the higher authorities. But this in no way makes it possible to agree with what was said several months after the events of M. Gorbachev that the tragedy could have been avoided, do not be late for the troops by three hours.

Confirmation of which is the transcript of the meeting of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee of February 29, 1988:
“- USSR Minister of Defense Dmitry Yazov:“ It is necessary to introduce martial law in Sumgait, if you like, maybe ... We must firmly draw this line, Mikhail Sergeyevich, until it goes further. We must send troops there and restore order ”...
- M. Gorbachev: “The main thing now is to immediately include the working class, people, and combatants in the fight against violators of public order. This, I’ll tell you, stops all hooliganism and extremists ... The military are causing a review ”(See: Transcript of the meeting of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee of February 29, 1988). http://sumgait.info/sumgait/politburo-meeting-29-february-1988.htm

Here it is. Peaceful people are dying. The Minister of Defense calls on the head of state to "put things in order." And the initiator of the "new thinking" speaks of hepathetic combatants who can stop "hooliganism and extremists."

Only by the end of February 29 did the troops receive orders to stop the riots, and even then without the use of firearms. According to the recollections of an eyewitness, Anatoly Mostovoy, a serviceman of the Soviet Army, “the captain briefly instructed the company: We are in Sumgait ... Our task is to calm, disperse, and maintain order. Protect civilians. Only shoot in a pinch and in the air. Eccentric captain. We are single. Did he forget? Our main weapons are shields and batons. And a friend’s elbow. Hardly drove into the city - stopped. The street was blocked by a crowd. Someone threw a cobblestone in the windshield of our bus, the third in the convoy. And away we go. The crowd tightly surrounded the buses and let's beat the windows, trying to reach us. This, probably, is an extreme case. I pull the shutter and give a short burst over my heads. Instantly drifted dumbfounded. We quickly unloaded and began to crowd out the crowd ”(See: Anatoly Mostovoy. Massacre). http://www.sumgait.info/sumgait/mostovoy/sumgait-mostovoy.htm

Based on the presented quote, we can make sure that even the presence of blank cartridges could moderate the crowd. But the following question arises: what kind of electorate was the contingent called the head of the USSR “not a hooligan”, who was not afraid to engage in a clash with the military?

As A. Mostovoi testifies, the “demonstrators” were armed with pieces of sharpened reinforcing steel and instructed. They planted their sharpening from bottom to top, under a bulletproof vest, as soon as a gap was observed between the shields: in two days our regiment lost 96 people wounded. Fortunately, there were no dead. ”

Interesting, isn't it? So, “hooliganism” or unscrambled professionals to this day (under the guise of Azerbaijanis) were operating in Sumgait? One of the founders of the Popular Front of Azerbaijan, Zardusht Ali-zade, writes: “Among the participants there were indeed refugees from Armenia. But at the same time, the workers spoke of strange, alien-looking young men who started the crowd. ” (See: Zardusht Ali-zade. Azerbaijani elite and the masses during the collapse of the USSR). http://sumgait.info/sumgait/politburo-meeting-29-february-1988.htm

Again the word to A. Mostovoy: “Suddenly, something blazed behind. I looked around - our bus is on fire. Then I saw their incendiary grenades. Seized during searches. A 250-gram bubble filled with gasoline with divisions - such in the children's milk kitchen my wife received - is corked with a lacquer. A small piece of 10 centimeters piece of geological Bickford cord is attached to the bubble. Preparing. " (See: Anatoly Mostovoi. The massacre). http://www.sumgait.info/sumgait/mostovoy/sumgait-mostovoy.htm

Yes, of course, they were getting ready. And in advance. There can be no doubt. But how? Where? Who finally? Kafan refugees? Two dates of the appearance of the first Kafan refugees were noted above: January 25 and February 18, 1988. Even if we take January 25 as a basis, there is practically no information that all the refugees immediately went to Sumgayit and began preparations for the pogroms. Then who was “fully armed”, the very 200 people who left Kafan on February 27, or the residents of Sumgait?

[Ataturk]

Recall that the rally activity of Stepanakert Armenians has been recorded since February 12, and the anti-Azerbaijani decision of the Karabakh regional council was adopted on February 20, and moreover, without advertising the media. The masses learned about the death of Azerbaijanis in Askeran in general on the evening of February 27. So for the production of military sharpeners and Molotov cocktails planted under body armor (were they refugees, Sumgayites) it took several days or even hours? But this is absurd.

However, the fact remains. There were bottles, and knives, and death. Therefore, on the surface there can only be a version about the advance preparation of both the arsenal of criminals and the entire action as a whole. The professional attack of “hooliganism” (M. Gorbachev's terminology) against the military personnel confirms the thorough study of the operation. But not after February 12, of course.

But if you mean the inspiration of the "movement for reunification" from the end of 1987, then the developers of the operation were not limited in time. And the fulfillment of the task by professionals, under the guise of the image of “drugged by drugs and alcohol extremists,” did not constitute any particular problems. The criminal element could easily connect to the initiated bacchanalia.

In this regard, another aspect looms. After the events, information was actively cultivated on the manufacture of “hooligan elements of knives and other items” used during the riots at Sumgayit enterprises, in particular, a pipe rolling plant. The question here is not even that, as S. Shahmuradyan writes, A. Katusev did not confirm this fact. If this was the case, then without the sanction of the central authorities it could not have happened.

An American human rights activist (Amnesty International) Nadezhda Bunchik asked: “The thugs armed with iron rods broke into houses ... Where did they get so many iron rods? How are you organized? And indeed, where did they, the pogromists, come from in the Soviet town, if at that time flies still did not dare to fly in the Soviet space without the permission of Moscow, i.e. Lubyanka? " (Nadezhda Bunchik. Killing of the Caucasus or Alzheimer's epidemic).

A. Mostovoy quotes one of the officers as saying: “Like in a city where there was a secret center of the Ministry of Defense, a missile part, a large steel mill, called a“ mailbox ”, a huge chemical plant, a border part ... such a disaster happened, without the slightest attempt to prevent or stop it? ” (See: Anatoly Mostovoi. The massacre).

In this context, Russian analyst Alexei Zverev records: "In 1988, the KGB machine with its network of informants was still operational, which means that ... the KGB in Moscow was aware of preparations for the pogrom" (Alexei Zverev. Controversial borders in the Caucasus ) In other words, we are talking about the fact that, say, the same pipe-rolling plant, being a sensitive facility, was in union subordination. Consequently, all production was supervised by interested structures. Those. any unauthorized change of nomenclature could not take place in fact. But if this happened, the conclusions are up to the reader. http://poli.vub.ac.be/publi/ContBorders/rus/ch0102.htm

Be that as it may, the unrest was localized on February 29: “The 137th Airborne Regiment (commander Lt. Col. V. Khatskevich) of the 106th Airborne Division (Airborne Forces) landed at an airport near Baku. Having made a march to Sumgayit, he immediately began to carry out the task. He restored the state border, took control of state institutions, stopped violence, neutralized bandit groups ”(Chronology of airborne troops). http://armyrus.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=828&Itemid=2242

Like this. “No noise and dust.” So, the prevention of the restoration of order in Sumgait was not due to the fact that “the military are causing an uproar” (passage of M. Gorbachev). A. Mostovoy notes: “Perhaps the main thing that we have done is to distract the anger of the crowd. They seem to have forgotten about the Armenians. But we are only a regiment of unarmed men in a huge city ”(See: Anatoly Mostovoy. Massacre).

But in this aspect, a different kind of picture is highlighted. Since there was a professional attack on military personnel, therefore, conflict managers needed a “demonstration” of atrocities not only in the ethnic field, but also against the army. That is why the central authorities stoically sacrificed civilians, simultaneously promoting the development of the Armenian-Azerbaijani confrontation.

We agree that the foregoing excludes all doubts about the source of the described events. Only the state machine could make such a clear two-week calculation of the phased deployment of the situation: “popular-party will” in Stepanakert - murder of Azerbaijanis in Askeran - refugees from Armenia - violence in Sumgait with indifferent observation by the central authorities - localization of the situation in a matter of hours.

Consequently, the spilled blood of innocent victims, as blasphemous and does not sound, was organically included in the developed scenario. Taking into account the study of the issue of “ethnic problems” in the USSR in the “western field”, it can be assumed that the outline of events arranged all the forces concerned.

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Wafa Guluzade: Al-Qaeda will be Azerbaijan’s last hope in resolving the Karabakh issue
“Western states do not support Azerbaijan in the Karabakh issue because of Russia,” ex-adviser to the president of Azerbaijan, Vafa Guluzadeh, said in an interview with the website Modern.az, commenting on a statement by the representative of the presidential administration of Azerbaijan Novruz Mammadov on Azerbaijan’s joining new political blocs for solutions to the Karabakh conflict. According to the political scientist, there is no structure supporting Azerbaijan in the Karabakh issue.

“If such a structure or organization existed, Azerbaijan would immediately turn to it. Russia is also a structure, but it has occupied our lands. Which side we should turn our gaze to, I can’t say. True, we are being made proposals to join various unions, but in return they are demanding to renounce the sovereignty that Azerbaijan has preserved to this day. The last hope, probably, will be cooperation with al-Qaeda, ”said V. Guluzade.

According to the Azerbaijani political scientist, the West does not help Azerbaijan over the Karabakh issue because of Russia, and until this country falls apart, no one will help Azerbaijan. “It’s difficult to ruin Russia right away, it’s being done gradually. When the price of oil drops to $ 30-40 per barrel, Russia will be destroyed. Then it will be possible to resolve the Karabakh issue, and now no one will help us, ”V. Guluzade emphasized.

[AAA3337]

The editorial board of the Baku portal 1news.az is again engaging in a dispute over the conflict in Karabakh and, accordingly, over the four UN Security Council resolutions of 1993, although it has repeatedly shown its inability to objectively understand them, let alone familiarize the reader with the opponent’s judgments. This portal fearlessly publishes only its authors. I am sending my answer to his editors, but is such sedition available to its readers?

Journalistic ethics are not for 1news.az. This can also be seen from his "arrows" directed at his opponent: "crazy ideas", "sore head", "nonsense", "absurdity", etc. The first impression is the shortcomings of upbringing, primitive abuse at the market level. But isn't this scattering of rudeness and half-joking manner of presentation (a seemingly serious topic) serving as a cover for obvious failures in logic and a lack of weighty arguments? But let's move on to the conflict in Karabakh. All the mediators (and most persistently of all Russia) strove, first of all, to stop the mass bloodshed. The same was demanded by the UN Security Council resolutions: first of all, an immediate ceasefire, hostilities, hostile acts, without which other requirements are impracticable. It is hard to believe that Baku was counting on the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of Armenians from the occupied regions even before the end of hostilities. That would really be absurd.

This means that it was necessary to start implementing the resolutions with the conclusion of a reliable truce. Azerbaijan initiated the first resolution # 822, but did not want to implement it. Then Russia, Turkey, the United States and the chairman of the CSCE Minsk Group Italy proposed to all parties to the conflict to confirm their readiness to implement the resolution. Stepanakert and Yerevan did just that. Baku kept silent, creating bewilderment. By the way, the Armenians were seriously preparing to leave the Kelbajar region, but someone "rescued" them by continuing the fighting. After the first resolution, the war continued for another year!

For the sake of brevity, I’ll say: it was the same with other UN Security Council resolutions 853, 874, and 884. The text of the latter shows who foiled the ceasefire in October 1993 and who disproportionately answered this. In order not to devalue its decisions, the Council stopped taking them in Karabakh. Without a doubt, Azerbaijan was not the first to comply with UN Security Council resolutions.

Russia, as a mediator, had to break through to an armistice, taking into account the essence of these resolutions, but on a different track. On her initiative, on April 15, 1994, the Council of CIS Heads of State adopted an important document, which emphasized: "The main priority and imperative of a settlement is a ceasefire, of all hostilities and, after that, its reliable consolidation. Without this, one cannot proceed to liquidating the consequences of the tragic confrontation." (underlined by me - VK). This was also approved by Heydar Aliyev (sometimes he spoke in favor of an exclusively peaceful resolution of the conflict).

Did the 1news.az editorial staff read this document? Indeed, a month after its adoption, a truce was reached! And it’s important to comprehend it. Really, according to 1news.az, a reliable consolidation of the cessation of hostilities has already been achieved? They will say: lasts 18 years! And why, then, the warlike rhetoric of President Ilham Aliyev, the huge military expenses of the AR, and frequent incidents? Why interfere with their investigation, refusals to withdraw snipers? Why refusal to conclude an agreement on the non-use of force to resolve the conflict? If you believe the editors, Azerbaijan is for the peaceful resolution of the conflict, a supporter of the non-use of force! But in other phrases she contradicts herself. And what is needed is not shyness, not the ambiguity of halftones, but clarity. The withdrawal of Armenians from occupied territories for 20 years is a subject of negotiations. As the heads of state have spoken, without reliable consolidation, one cannot proceed to liquidation of consequences ...

The 1news.az editorial office on April 26 is clearly defaming its readers. He deliberately confuses communiqués and statements with accords and agreements, writes about an agreement where there was none, calls brief ceasefires into truces. Say, why didn't the Armenians go to these "truces"?

And if Baku has not fulfilled the present, officially signed agreement for a long time, not a word about it! This is taboo! Meanwhile, the agreement on strengthening the ceasefire of February 4, 1995 was agreed personally with the "National Leader" Heydar Aliyev. Neither his descendants, nor a member of the UN Security Council are beautiful. Race sunt servanda!

My opponents now half-recognize that the truce was also violated by the Azerbaijanis, but not only by them. Indeed, there have been several cases where it is difficult to identify the perpetrators, for there were no neutral observers. But there are much more indisputable cases when the same party (guess what three times!) Refused to ceasefire and other peacekeeping initiatives more than once violated and frustrated the agreed, if not formalized, agreements between the parties. There is a detailed calendar for this. The point is small - just publish it in 1news.az. If the truth is most valuable to his editorial staff, I will instantly send her this calendar!

In total, it can and should be said that the supreme hierarchies of Azerbaijan ensured the length of the armed phase of the Karabakh conflict in two and a half years. The Armenians, too, were by no means easy partners, but, as a rule, did not go away from the peacekeeping initiatives of Russia or the Minsk Group, from negotiations, more often agreed to suspend or terminate hostilities, and went to a truce. I can prove this arithmetically: no higher mathematics will be required - as a mediator, as a mediator, I had to keep this record. It is unlikely that the members of the editorial office had such a duty then - it would be easier for them to reason without it.

Now about the causal relationship between military action and the occupation. The 1news.az editorial staff is straining to turn this connection inside out: they say, the Armenians did not liberate the occupied lands, which forced the other side to resume hostilities again and again. In fact, the reverse causal relationship prevails. Military action is the cause; occupation is their consequence. It was military action that gave rise to the occupation, and not vice versa. Most often, the outcome of hostilities predetermined the advance of some troops and the withdrawal of others. Stop the war earlier, there would be less occupation. The Armenians were interested in moving the front line away from Nagorno-Karabakh, the Azerbaijanis were interested in returning Lachin and Shusha. Baku did not solve these problems, and with new battles only "helped" the Armenians. Gross miscalculations! This is not a game - I lost the area, so give it back to me. It was about the lives of thousands and the fate of millions. I will repeat the refrain of this article: in order to eliminate the consequences of a conflict, it is necessary to reliably consolidate the cessation of hostilities and hostile acts. What did Baku do for this? Keeps the conflict in the most vicious circle of power. And for 18 years, no criticism of those blatant miscalculations! Only the Armenians are guilty of everything! The question is curiously posed that the use of force in the past is also inadmissible (although the editorial board allows it in the future!). Not otherwise, as an officer's widow, who whipped herself! And who trusted in strength before? It means that not its application, but its results are not satisfied! But there is nothing to say about this in 2012 - it was necessary to think about it in 1993, or better yet.

It was repeatedly noted that the agreement on the non-use of force is the shortest way to a settlement in Karabakh. Departing from it, Baku itself delays the transfer of the areas lost in the battles. Nagorno-Karabakh - an article!

[AAA3337]

The editorial board of the Baku portal 1news.az is again engaging in a dispute over the conflict in Karabakh and, accordingly, over the four UN Security Council resolutions of 1993, although it has repeatedly shown its inability to objectively understand them, let alone familiarize the reader with the opponent’s judgments. This portal fearlessly publishes only its authors. I am sending my answer to his editors, but is such sedition available to its readers?

Journalistic ethics are not for 1news.az. This can also be seen from his "arrows" directed at his opponent: "crazy ideas", "sore head", "nonsense", "absurdity", etc. The first impression is the shortcomings of upbringing, primitive abuse at the market level. But isn't this scattering of rudeness and half-joking manner of presentation (a seemingly serious topic) serving as a cover for obvious failures in logic and a lack of weighty arguments? But let's move on to the conflict in Karabakh. All the mediators (and most persistently of all Russia) strove, first of all, to stop the mass bloodshed. The same was demanded by the UN Security Council resolutions: first of all, an immediate ceasefire, hostilities, hostile acts, without which other requirements are impracticable. It is hard to believe that Baku was counting on the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of Armenians from the occupied regions even before the end of hostilities. That would really be absurd.

This means that it was necessary to start implementing the resolutions with the conclusion of a reliable truce. Azerbaijan initiated the first resolution # 822, but did not want to implement it. Then Russia, Turkey, the United States and the chairman of the CSCE Minsk Group Italy proposed to all parties to the conflict to confirm their readiness to implement the resolution. Stepanakert and Yerevan did just that. Baku kept silent, creating bewilderment. By the way, the Armenians were seriously preparing to leave the Kelbajar region, but someone "rescued" them by continuing the fighting. After the first resolution, the war continued for another year!

For the sake of brevity, I’ll say: it was the same with other UN Security Council resolutions 853, 874, and 884. The text of the latter shows who foiled the ceasefire in October 1993 and who disproportionately answered this. In order not to devalue its decisions, the Council stopped taking them in Karabakh. Without a doubt, Azerbaijan was not the first to comply with UN Security Council resolutions.

Russia, as a mediator, had to break through to an armistice, taking into account the essence of these resolutions, but on a different track. On her initiative, on April 15, 1994, the Council of CIS Heads of State adopted an important document, which emphasized: "The main priority and imperative of a settlement is a ceasefire, of all hostilities and, after that, its reliable consolidation. Without this, one cannot proceed to liquidating the consequences of the tragic confrontation." (underlined by me - VK). This was also approved by Heydar Aliyev (sometimes he spoke in favor of an exclusively peaceful resolution of the conflict).

Did the 1news.az editorial staff read this document? Indeed, a month after its adoption, a truce was reached! And it’s important to comprehend it. Really, according to 1news.az, a reliable consolidation of the cessation of hostilities has already been achieved? They will say: lasts 18 years! And why, then, the warlike rhetoric of President Ilham Aliyev, the huge military expenses of the AR, and frequent incidents? Why interfere with their investigation, refusals to withdraw snipers? Why refusal to conclude an agreement on the non-use of force to resolve the conflict? If you believe the editors, Azerbaijan is for the peaceful resolution of the conflict, a supporter of the non-use of force! But in other phrases she contradicts herself. And what is needed is not shyness, not the ambiguity of halftones, but clarity. The withdrawal of Armenians from occupied territories for 20 years is a subject of negotiations. As the heads of state have spoken, without reliable consolidation, one cannot proceed to liquidation of consequences ...

The 1news.az editorial office on April 26 is clearly defaming its readers. He deliberately confuses communiqués and statements with accords and agreements, writes about an agreement where there was none, calls brief ceasefires into truces. Say, why didn't the Armenians go to these "truces"?

And if Baku has not fulfilled the present, officially signed agreement for a long time, not a word about it! This is taboo! Meanwhile, the agreement on strengthening the ceasefire of February 4, 1995 was agreed personally with the "National Leader" Heydar Aliyev. Neither his descendants, nor a member of the UN Security Council are beautiful. Race sunt servanda!

My opponents now half-recognize that the truce was also violated by the Azerbaijanis, but not only by them. Indeed, there have been several cases where it is difficult to identify the perpetrators, for there were no neutral observers. But there are much more indisputable cases when the same party (guess what three times!) Refused to ceasefire and other peacekeeping initiatives more than once violated and frustrated the agreed, if not formalized, agreements between the parties. There is a detailed calendar for this. The point is small - just publish it in 1news.az. If the truth is most valuable to his editorial staff, I will instantly send her this calendar!

In total, it can and should be said that the supreme hierarchies of Azerbaijan ensured the length of the armed phase of the Karabakh conflict in two and a half years. The Armenians, too, were by no means easy partners, but, as a rule, did not go away from the peacekeeping initiatives of Russia or the Minsk Group, from negotiations, more often agreed to suspend or terminate hostilities, and went to a truce. I can prove this arithmetically: no higher mathematics will be required - as a mediator, as a mediator, I had to keep this record. It is unlikely that the members of the editorial office had such a duty then - it would be easier for them to reason without it.

Now about the causal relationship between military action and the occupation. The 1news.az editorial staff is straining to turn this connection inside out: they say, the Armenians did not liberate the occupied lands, which forced the other side to resume hostilities again and again. In fact, the reverse causal relationship prevails. Military action is the cause; occupation is their consequence. It was military action that gave rise to the occupation, and not vice versa. Most often, the outcome of hostilities predetermined the advance of some troops and the withdrawal of others. Stop the war earlier, there would be less occupation. The Armenians were interested in moving the front line away from Nagorno-Karabakh, the Azerbaijanis were interested in returning Lachin and Shusha. Baku did not solve these problems, and with new battles only "helped" the Armenians. Gross miscalculations! This is not a game - I lost the area, so give it back to me. It was about the lives of thousands and the fate of millions. I will repeat the refrain of this article: in order to eliminate the consequences of a conflict, it is necessary to reliably consolidate the cessation of hostilities and hostile acts. What did Baku do for this? Keeps the conflict in the most vicious circle of power. And for 18 years, no criticism of those blatant miscalculations! Only the Armenians are guilty of everything! The question is curiously posed that the use of force in the past is also inadmissible (although the editorial board allows it in the future!). Not otherwise, as an officer's widow, who whipped herself! And who trusted in strength before? It means that not its application, but its results are not satisfied! But there is nothing to say about this in 2012 - it was necessary to think about it in 1993, or better yet.

It was repeatedly noted that the agreement on the non-use of force is the shortest way to a settlement in Karabakh. Departing from it, Baku itself delays the transfer of the areas lost in the battles. Nagorno-Karabakh - an article!

[David]

The stereotype created by Soviet propaganda also prevents the correct understanding of this problem, according to which the Karabakh Armenians, with the support of the CIA and the Armenian lobby of the United States, unleashed the first bloody ethnic conflict in the USSR, which led to the destruction of the state. In fact, if the CIA is involved in the destruction of the USSR through Nagorno-Karabakh, then only with the full consent of the traitors and puppets in the Central Committee of the CPSU and the KGB of the USSR. For the events in and around Karabakh, such a model of “divide and conquer” policy as rocking the boat is applicable. It was a very tricky Jesuit game: the West and the puppet leaders of the USSR, in accordance with a previously thought-out plan, pulled in their direction and rocked the boat until it was drowned. It is known that the Armenians, like the Serbs, are one of the few peoples of the world who are characterized by Russophile views. Therefore, one of the goals of “perestroika” was the intention to break Russian-Armenian relations, make Russians accomplices in the Azeri-Turkish policy of genocide, and, on the contrary, push Armenians to separatism and appoint them “guilty” for the collapse of the USSR.

The implementation of this strategy began on June 18, 1987, when the European Parliament adopted a resolution “On a political solution to the Armenian issue”. In this resolution, in addition to recognizing genocide and calls to protect the Armenian religious architectural heritage, the following paragraph was mentioned: “The European Parliament condemns the violation of individual freedoms in the Soviet Union against the Armenian population.” It is very strange that the European Parliament was preoccupied with the situation of Armenians in the Soviet Union only thirty years after its founding. In his book “Nagorno-Karabakh: Facts Against Lies,” Arsen Melik-Shakhnazarov cites numerous facts of how Azerbaijan, with the help of the Soviet totalitarian machine, oppressed and discriminated against Karabakh Armenians, mocked their national memory and destroyed ancient Christian monuments. For example, in the early 1970s. near the Azerbaijani district center Fizuli in the course of excavation, they discovered the Armenian church, which was first looted and then buried. An artificial hill was poured over it, on top of which the inscription “Glory to the CPSU!” Was hoisted. And in 1975, during the construction work in Nakhichevan, the church of Surb Yerrordutyun (Holy Trinity) revered by the Armenians, built in the seventh century, was demolished. Then the European Parliament simply did not say anything about this, allowing the Azeri Turks to destroy the Armenian religious architectural heritage with impunity. But here came the year 1987. At the head of the USSR is an obedient Western puppet, which means that the country can be dismembered and cut according to the living. By its resolution, the European Parliament, as it were, sent the following signal to the Armenians: “here, you see what Europe is humane, honest and fair. Not that the criminal USSR, which in alliance with Turkey dismembered the Armenian lands and now in every way denies the fact of genocide. ” In Baku and Moscow, they also heard this signal, and against the Armenians who dared to encroach on the policy of “internationalism” and “friendship of peoples”, “instructive” punitive actions began. From July to November 1987, the first secretary of the Shamkhor district committee of the Communist Party of the Azerbaijan SSR, Asadov, tried to remove the director of the Chardakhlinsky state farm, Suren Yegiyan, who opposed the further ruin of the economy by the Azerbaijanis. The Azerbaijani leadership’s choice of the village of Chardakhlu in Northern Karabakh as a target for the first attack was not accidental. Chardakhlu was traditionally considered a symbol of the Armenian fighting spirit. Of the 1.250 natives of the village who went to the front in 1941, half were awarded orders and medals, two became marshals (Amazasp Babajanyan and Ivan Baghramyan), twelve became generals, and seven became Heroes of the Soviet Union. Chased by the Azeri director of the Chardakhlinsky state farm, Suren Yeghiyan was also an order bearer and a veteran of the Great Patriotic War. By repressions against the “courageous village” the Azeri-Turkish leadership tried to symbolically break and trample the Armenian fighting spirit. On December 1 and 2, 1987, Asadov personally, with the support of more than fifty district police officers, organized the mass beatings of Chardakhlu residents (including participants and invalids of the Great Patriotic War). The date for the pogrom was also symbolic - the ninetieth anniversary of the birth of Marshal and twice Hero of the Soviet Union Ivan Baghramyan. After the events in Chardakhlu, the Karabakh people realized that the Azerbaijani leadership had taken a decisive course to oust the Armenians from the NKAR and the adjacent territories of Northern Karabakh. Prior to this, such tactics have already led to ethnic cleansing of the Armenian population of Nakhichevan. As a result, a wave of rallies and protests swept through NKAR and Armenia.

In response to the peaceful rallies and the just request of the Karabakh Armenians to review the results of the Bolshevik-Turkish dismemberment of Armenia, the Soviet special services created the myth of “Kafan refugees” and organized a provocation in Askeran, which, in turn, led to mass killings and pogroms in Sumgait. This was the first ever act of the Soviet Union in the massacre of “foreign” populations in the territory under the complete control of units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Defense of the USSR. The Kremlin leadership immediately after the pogrom took a course to hush up the essence of the incident, its scale and the obvious presence of the organizers. Only on March 1, 1988, a small TASS message appeared on the inner Izvestia band saying that “on February 28 in Sumgait (Azerbaijan SSR) a group of hooligan elements provoked unrest. There have been cases of outrage and violence. ” Later, when the essence of what happened became known, the Soviet press launched a campaign to denigrate Armenians, publishing articles such as "riots in the NKAR, provoked by nationalist-minded elements, escalated the situation in Sumgait." That is, ethnic cleansing, as a result of which more than a hundred were killed and about seventeen thousand Armenians were expelled, was called a “tense situation” and the responsibility for it was blamed on the ... killed and exiled. The pages of the main newspaper of the USSR and the organ of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union “Pravda” were full of such insulting words and mocking comments to the Armenians as “extremists”, “bunch”, “concocted”, “national egoism”, “local interests”, “shortcomings in international education” etc. Such publications naturally aroused indignation among the Armenians, who held a protest rally in Yerevan in the summer of 1988. On the poster condemning the Pravda newspaper in a biased coverage of events, it was written “Untruth” and a crescent moon with a star is depicted. False Soviet propaganda contrasted sharply with coverage of the Sumgayit massacre in the Western media. They not only printed detailed articles and showed video reports. Western radio stations broadcasting in Armenian and Russian told the Soviet people such details of what was happening that it was impossible to get from open Soviet sources. That is, the Armenians were, as it were, said: “here, you see what we, Europeans and Americans, are philanthropic, honest and truthful. Not that these Russians, who allowed the Turks to slaughter Armenians in Sumgait, are now lying about it. Why do you live with them in one state? ”

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After the Sumgayit massacre in Karabakh, the Special Management Committee was introduced, headed by Arkady Volsky. A significant and important moment in his career was the post of assistant to the former head of the KGB of the USSR Yuri Andropov during his tenure as Secretary General of the Central Committee of the CPSU (1982-1984). Volsky through his fingers watched as Baku rapidly changed the ethno-demographic balance of Karabakh, populating the autonomous region first with Azerbaijanis and then with Meskhetian Turks from the Ferghana Valley. With the complicity of a contingent of internal troops deployed in the NKAR, the Azerbaijanis carried out gang attacks on Armenian settlements and vehicles. The economic strangulation of the Armenian settlements of the NKAR also began, which subsequently resulted in the transport, energy and food blockade of the NKAR and the Armenian SSR. All these facts were hushed up or distorted in the Soviet central press, which continued the unbridled anti-Armenian campaign. And this campaign again sharply contrasted with the position of the West, which demanded the reunification of Karabakh with Armenia. So, the American Time magazine wrote in October 1989: “One side rightly demands that it rightfully belong to her, and the other, just resisting, erects mountains of lies, does not disdain anything, up to a political crime - blockade. But, oddly enough, the judge is still supportive of the boxer sitting in a green corner with a crescent symbol. ” The judge, that is, Moscow, was indeed supportive of the Azeri Turkish boxer, armed with pieces of fittings and gas canisters.

[Ataturk]

You got everyone with Wikipedia. Something new, something smart. Prove everything I wrote about Sumgayit is a lie. I spread the Armenian links there.

Or you speak on business, or we close a subject.

And again, answer why everyone in Armenia is shouting that we are not part of Russia and they brought these rallies to the police?

Why do you have banned Russian schools?

Why has your country become a single country? Where is multinationality? Where are the same Slavs about whom you describe here?

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The editorial board of the Baku portal 1news.az is again engaging in a dispute over the conflict in Karabakh and, accordingly, over the four UN Security Council resolutions of 1993, although it has repeatedly shown its inability to objectively understand them, let alone familiarize the reader with the opponent’s judgments. This portal fearlessly publishes only its authors. I am sending my answer to his editors, but is such sedition available to its readers?

Journalistic ethics are not for 1news.az. This can also be seen from his "arrows" directed at his opponent: "crazy ideas", "sore head", "nonsense", "absurdity", etc. The first impression is the shortcomings of upbringing, primitive abuse at the market level. But isn't this scattering of rudeness and half-joking manner of presentation (a seemingly serious topic) serving as a cover for obvious failures in logic and a lack of weighty arguments? But let's move on to the conflict in Karabakh. All the mediators (and most persistently of all Russia) strove, first of all, to stop the mass bloodshed. The same was demanded by the UN Security Council resolutions: first of all, an immediate ceasefire, hostilities, hostile acts, without which other requirements are impracticable. It is hard to believe that Baku was counting on the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of Armenians from the occupied regions even before the end of hostilities. That would really be absurd.

This means that it was necessary to start implementing the resolutions with the conclusion of a reliable truce. Azerbaijan initiated the first resolution # 822, but did not want to implement it. Then Russia, Turkey, the United States and the chairman of the CSCE Minsk Group Italy proposed to all parties to the conflict to confirm their readiness to implement the resolution. Stepanakert and Yerevan did just that. Baku kept silent, creating bewilderment. By the way, the Armenians were seriously preparing to leave the Kelbajar region, but someone "rescued" them by continuing the fighting. After the first resolution, the war continued for another year!

For the sake of brevity, I’ll say: it was the same with other UN Security Council resolutions 853, 874, and 884. The text of the latter shows who foiled the ceasefire in October 1993 and who disproportionately answered this. In order not to devalue its decisions, the Council stopped taking them in Karabakh. Without a doubt, Azerbaijan was not the first to comply with UN Security Council resolutions.

Russia, as a mediator, had to break through to an armistice, taking into account the essence of these resolutions, but on a different track. On her initiative, on April 15, 1994, the Council of CIS Heads of State adopted an important document, which emphasized: "The main priority and imperative of a settlement is a ceasefire, of all hostilities and, after that, its reliable consolidation. Without this, one cannot proceed to liquidating the consequences of the tragic confrontation." (underlined by me - VK). This was also approved by Heydar Aliyev (sometimes he spoke in favor of an exclusively peaceful resolution of the conflict).

Did the 1news.az editorial staff read this document? Indeed, a month after its adoption, a truce was reached! And it’s important to comprehend it. Really, according to 1news.az, a reliable consolidation of the cessation of hostilities has already been achieved? They will say: lasts 18 years! And why, then, the warlike rhetoric of President Ilham Aliyev, the huge military expenses of the AR, and frequent incidents? Why interfere with their investigation, refusals to withdraw snipers? Why refusal to conclude an agreement on the non-use of force to resolve the conflict? If you believe the editors, Azerbaijan is for the peaceful resolution of the conflict, a supporter of the non-use of force! But in other phrases she contradicts herself. And what is needed is not shyness, not the ambiguity of halftones, but clarity. The withdrawal of Armenians from occupied territories for 20 years is a subject of negotiations. As the heads of state have spoken, without reliable consolidation, one cannot proceed to liquidation of consequences ...

The 1news.az editorial office on April 26 is clearly defaming its readers. He deliberately confuses communiqués and statements with accords and agreements, writes about an agreement where there was none, calls brief ceasefires into truces. Say, why didn't the Armenians go to these "truces"?

And if Baku has not fulfilled the present, officially signed agreement for a long time, not a word about it! This is taboo! Meanwhile, the agreement on strengthening the ceasefire of February 4, 1995 was agreed personally with the "National Leader" Heydar Aliyev. Neither his descendants, nor a member of the UN Security Council are beautiful. Race sunt servanda!

My opponents now half-recognize that the truce was also violated by the Azerbaijanis, but not only by them. Indeed, there have been several cases where it is difficult to identify the perpetrators, for there were no neutral observers. But there are much more indisputable cases when the same party (guess what three times!) Refused to ceasefire and other peacekeeping initiatives more than once violated and frustrated the agreed, if not formalized, agreements between the parties. There is a detailed calendar for this. The point is small - just publish it in 1news.az. If the truth is most valuable to his editorial staff, I will instantly send her this calendar!

In total, it can and should be said that the supreme hierarchies of Azerbaijan ensured the length of the armed phase of the Karabakh conflict in two and a half years. The Armenians, too, were by no means easy partners, but, as a rule, did not go away from the peacekeeping initiatives of Russia or the Minsk Group, from negotiations, more often agreed to suspend or terminate hostilities, and went to a truce. I can prove this arithmetically: no higher mathematics will be required - as a mediator, as a mediator, I had to keep this record. It is unlikely that the members of the editorial office had such a duty then - it would be easier for them to reason without it.

Now about the causal relationship between military action and the occupation. The 1news.az editorial staff is straining to turn this connection inside out: they say, the Armenians did not liberate the occupied lands, which forced the other side to resume hostilities again and again. In fact, the reverse causal relationship prevails. Military action is the cause; occupation is their consequence. It was military action that gave rise to the occupation, and not vice versa. Most often, the outcome of hostilities predetermined the advance of some troops and the withdrawal of others. Stop the war earlier, there would be less occupation. The Armenians were interested in moving the front line away from Nagorno-Karabakh, the Azerbaijanis were interested in returning Lachin and Shusha. Baku did not solve these problems, and with new battles only "helped" the Armenians. Gross miscalculations! This is not a game - I lost the area, so give it back to me. It was about the lives of thousands and the fate of millions. I will repeat the refrain of this article: in order to eliminate the consequences of a conflict, it is necessary to reliably consolidate the cessation of hostilities and hostile acts. What did Baku do for this? Keeps the conflict in the most vicious circle of power. And for 18 years, no criticism of those blatant miscalculations! Only the Armenians are guilty of everything! The question is curiously posed that the use of force in the past is also inadmissible (although the editorial board allows it in the future!). Not otherwise, as an officer's widow, who whipped herself! And who trusted in strength before? It means that not its application, but its results are not satisfied! But there is nothing to say about this in 2012 - it was necessary to think about it in 1993, or better yet.

It was repeatedly noted that the agreement on the non-use of force is the shortest way to a settlement in Karabakh. Departing from it, Baku itself delays the transfer of the areas lost in the battles. Nagorno-Karabakh - an article!

[David]

For the Armenian people, the Gorbachev “perestroika” and “glasnost” became a return in the years 1915-1920. The ruthless destruction of the Soviet Union was carried out with the relentless threat of creating the “Great Turan” - in Turkey, maps were published on which many territories of the USSR were painted green or blue, and children were taught using these cards in schools, saying that all these lands, including Armenia , turkish lands. Having the sad example of Nakhichevan and the village of Chardakhlu in Northern Karabakh, the Karabakh Armenians began to collect petitions and organize demonstrations demanding the reunification of the NKAR with the Armenian SSR. However, the Azeri-Turkish invaders refused to give back the stolen land and, with the help of the Soviet special services, organized a series of provocations. Anti-Armenian sermons in legal and underground mosques, the creation of the myth of Azerbaijani “refugees” from the Kafan region of the Armenian SSR, the intensified fanning of rumors of “tortured Azerbaijanis”, “raped women” and “a carriage of children with their fingers chopped off” and, finally, the Askeran incident, when at least one Azerbaijani was killed by his own KGB officer of the Azerbaijan SSR, all dressed in police uniforms - all these provocations led to the bloody Sumgait pogrom. At the end of February 1988, young, healthy guys from 18 to 25 years old with pre-compiled lists of addresses of Armenians living in the city and with pre-sharpened rebars and axes raped and killed Armenians with impunity, robbed and set fire to their homes - and all this happened in the state, in which the dominant ideology was “friendship of peoples” and in which the omnipotent KGB dominated. In the spring, summer and autumn of 1988, new acts of terror against the Armenians were organized in Shusha, Kirovabad, Shemakha, Shamkhor, Mingachevir, Baku, Nakhichevan, and this time there was a response - the eviction of Azerbaijanis from Stepanakert and the Armenian SSR, which turned into a mutual exchange of refugees . (In parentheses, I note that according to the conspiracy theory, Azeri Turks fled from Armenia, knowing about the upcoming test of geophysical weapons near Spitak, which led to a catastrophic earthquake). Further steps to “finally resolve the Armenian issue” were no less consistent - the energy, transport and food blockade of the Armenian SSR and NKAO, the massacre in Baku (January 1990), ethnic cleansing of the Armenian villages of the NKAR, Shaumyan and Khanlar regions of the Azerbaijan SSR (Operation Ring) , the raising of the Musavat flag and, finally, the declaration of independence of Azerbaijan, immediately supported by Turkey. Moreover, interestingly, the declaration “On the restoration of state independence of the Republic of Azerbaijan” said that “the Republic of Azerbaijan is the successor to the Republic of Azerbaijan that existed from May 28, 1918 to April 28, 1920 ... with the preservation of all decrees and laws that do not contradict its administrative territorial arrangement. ” What gloomy and sinister parallels! Franjo Tudjman calls the Ustash NDH created in 1941 as a result of German-Italian occupation “an expression of the historical aspirations of the Croatian people”, and the Azerbaijani SSR Parliament announces its continuity with respect to Musavat Azerbaijan, created as a result of the Young Turkish occupation of Transcaucasia in 1918!

[AAA3337]

The editorial board of the Baku portal 1news.az is again engaging in a dispute over the conflict in Karabakh and, accordingly, over the four UN Security Council resolutions of 1993, although it has repeatedly shown its inability to objectively understand them, let alone familiarize the reader with the opponent’s judgments. This portal fearlessly publishes only its authors. I am sending my answer to his editors, but is such sedition available to its readers?

Journalistic ethics are not for 1news.az. This can also be seen from his "arrows" directed at his opponent: "crazy ideas", "sore head", "nonsense", "absurdity", etc. The first impression is the shortcomings of upbringing, primitive abuse at the market level. But isn't this scattering of rudeness and half-joking manner of presentation (a seemingly serious topic) serving as a cover for obvious failures in logic and a lack of weighty arguments? But let's move on to the conflict in Karabakh. All the mediators (and most persistently of all Russia) strove, first of all, to stop the mass bloodshed. The same was demanded by the UN Security Council resolutions: first of all, an immediate ceasefire, hostilities, hostile acts, without which other requirements are impracticable. It is hard to believe that Baku was counting on the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of Armenians from the occupied regions even before the end of hostilities. That would really be absurd.

This means that it was necessary to start implementing the resolutions with the conclusion of a reliable truce. Azerbaijan initiated the first resolution # 822, but did not want to implement it. Then Russia, Turkey, the United States and the chairman of the CSCE Minsk Group Italy proposed to all parties to the conflict to confirm their readiness to implement the resolution. Stepanakert and Yerevan did just that. Baku kept silent, creating bewilderment. By the way, the Armenians were seriously preparing to leave the Kelbajar region, but someone "rescued" them by continuing the fighting. After the first resolution, the war continued for another year!

For the sake of brevity, I’ll say: it was the same with other UN Security Council resolutions 853, 874, and 884. The text of the latter shows who foiled the ceasefire in October 1993 and who disproportionately answered this. In order not to devalue its decisions, the Council stopped taking them in Karabakh. Without a doubt, Azerbaijan was not the first to comply with UN Security Council resolutions.

Russia, as a mediator, had to break through to an armistice, taking into account the essence of these resolutions, but on a different track. On her initiative, on April 15, 1994, the Council of CIS Heads of State adopted an important document, which emphasized: "The main priority and imperative of a settlement is a ceasefire, of all hostilities and, after that, its reliable consolidation. Without this, one cannot proceed to liquidating the consequences of the tragic confrontation." (underlined by me - VK). This was also approved by Heydar Aliyev (sometimes he spoke in favor of an exclusively peaceful resolution of the conflict).

Did the 1news.az editorial staff read this document? Indeed, a month after its adoption, a truce was reached! And it’s important to comprehend it. Really, according to 1news.az, a reliable consolidation of the cessation of hostilities has already been achieved? They will say: lasts 18 years! And why, then, the warlike rhetoric of President Ilham Aliyev, the huge military expenses of the AR, and frequent incidents? Why interfere with their investigation, refusals to withdraw snipers? Why refusal to conclude an agreement on the non-use of force to resolve the conflict? If you believe the editors, Azerbaijan is for the peaceful resolution of the conflict, a supporter of the non-use of force! But in other phrases she contradicts herself. And what is needed is not shyness, not the ambiguity of halftones, but clarity. The withdrawal of Armenians from occupied territories for 20 years is a subject of negotiations. As the heads of state have spoken, without reliable consolidation, one cannot proceed to liquidation of consequences ...

The 1news.az editorial office on April 26 is clearly defaming its readers. He deliberately confuses communiqués and statements with accords and agreements, writes about an agreement where there was none, calls brief ceasefires into truces. Say, why didn't the Armenians go to these "truces"?

And if Baku has not fulfilled the present, officially signed agreement for a long time, not a word about it! This is taboo! Meanwhile, the agreement on strengthening the ceasefire of February 4, 1995 was agreed personally with the "National Leader" Heydar Aliyev. Neither his descendants, nor a member of the UN Security Council are beautiful. Race sunt servanda!

My opponents now half-recognize that the truce was also violated by the Azerbaijanis, but not only by them. Indeed, there have been several cases where it is difficult to identify the perpetrators, for there were no neutral observers. But there are much more indisputable cases when the same party (guess what three times!) Refused to ceasefire and other peacekeeping initiatives more than once violated and frustrated the agreed, if not formalized, agreements between the parties. There is a detailed calendar for this. The point is small - just publish it in 1news.az. If the truth is most valuable to his editorial staff, I will instantly send her this calendar!

In total, it can and should be said that the supreme hierarchies of Azerbaijan ensured the length of the armed phase of the Karabakh conflict in two and a half years. The Armenians, too, were by no means easy partners, but, as a rule, did not go away from the peacekeeping initiatives of Russia or the Minsk Group, from negotiations, more often agreed to suspend or terminate hostilities, and went to a truce. I can prove this arithmetically: no higher mathematics will be required - as a mediator, as a mediator, I had to keep this record. It is unlikely that the members of the editorial office had such a duty then - it would be easier for them to reason without it.

Now about the causal relationship between military action and the occupation. The 1news.az editorial staff is straining to turn this connection inside out: they say, the Armenians did not liberate the occupied lands, which forced the other side to resume hostilities again and again. In fact, the reverse causal relationship prevails. Military action is the cause; occupation is their consequence. It was military action that gave rise to the occupation, and not vice versa. Most often, the outcome of hostilities predetermined the advance of some troops and the withdrawal of others. Stop the war earlier, there would be less occupation. The Armenians were interested in moving the front line away from Nagorno-Karabakh, the Azerbaijanis were interested in returning Lachin and Shusha. Baku did not solve these problems, and with new battles only "helped" the Armenians. Gross miscalculations! This is not a game - I lost the area, so give it back to me. It was about the lives of thousands and the fate of millions. I will repeat the refrain of this article: in order to eliminate the consequences of a conflict, it is necessary to reliably consolidate the cessation of hostilities and hostile acts. What did Baku do for this? Keeps the conflict in the most vicious circle of power. And for 18 years, no criticism of those blatant miscalculations! Only the Armenians are guilty of everything! The question is curiously posed that the use of force in the past is also inadmissible (although the editorial board allows it in the future!). Not otherwise, as an officer's widow, who whipped herself! And who trusted in strength before? It means that not its application, but its results are not satisfied! But there is nothing to say about this in 2012 - it was necessary to think about it in 1993, or better yet.

It was repeatedly noted that the agreement on the non-use of force is the shortest way to a settlement in Karabakh. Departing from it, Baku itself delays the transfer of the areas lost in the battles. Nagorno-Karabakh - an article!

[AAA3337]

The United States of America is a paradoxical country. Bribes there are prohibited by law, and offerings, especially collective ones, are allowed. The size of the offering, as in the rest of the world, determines the bribe., I'm sorry, the owner. The ritual of accepting offerings in the United States is adjusted to the smallest detail: the host organizes a joint absorption of food, for the right to participate in which guests pay hundreds of times more than if they ate at the most expensive restaurant in New York. At the same time, guests invited to listen to the owner are so carried away by the host's fiery speech that they often do not even have time to try the dishes displayed on the table.

Of course, I’m not going to criticize the charter of the American monastery and climb into the darkness of the American soul, so I ask you to take the previous paragraph as a prelude to the terrible otherworldly story that happened with US Vice President Joe Biden. This high-ranking official is now busy with an important state matter: raising funds for the presidential campaign of his boss - Barack Obama - the president of the United States without any prefix.

We have long known that Joe Biden is a courageous and purposeful person, capable, for the sake of achieving his goal, for any feats. Up to stay in the society of Anatolian and Transcaucasian Turks for twenty whole minutes. I think he was inspired by this recent story with an Indian fakir who spent 100 hours in a room with poisonous snakes. But Biden is a man not only courageous, but also pragmatic, so he decided to stay in the same room with different-sized Turks for no more than twenty minutes, and for the dubious “pleasure” of eating with them, the US Vice President requested a tidy sum from each guest’s head : 2,5 to three thousand dollars. The Indian fakir received applause and an entry in the Guinness Book of Records for his feat, and Biden, minus the cost of sandwiches, coffee and hard-boiled eggs, half a million dollars. The money received from the invited Turks went to the Obama Victory Fund, that is, Biden himself, too.

But Joe Biden seems to be inexcusably cheap. 20 minutes spent in the society of the Turks, seemed to him a month in the underworld. “You are dull as hell,” he told the assembled Turks, “and breakfast time is too long.” The Turks, genetically programmed to applause for any statement by their superiors, happily slammed. Confused by such a specific behavior of the invited public, Biden tried to educate the Turks for the unfortunate twenty laps of the second hand: “You are the most boring audience I have ever talked to.” But this did not help either. And then the US vice president loudly complained to his retinue: "They just sit staring at me." “Like sheep to a new gate,” added one of the retinues, who had accumulated Russian folklore in several trips to Russia.

Biden’s last attempt to awaken at least something human in the Turks - “Imagine that you are like me” - caused a complimentary giggle, familiar to all those who had been in contact with the Turks for at least 20 minutes: “The boss deigned to joke.” Nevertheless, Biden honestly worked out 500 thousand dollars, having released the Anatolian and Transcaucasian Turks on a compliment. He called Turkey “a valuable ally,” and Azerbaijan “a state with great potential." Later, already in the circle of his associates, Biden explained that he did not mean hydrocarbons (America has much more oil and gas than Azerbaijan), but the potential for awakening the human principle in the descendants of the depraved she-wolf. After that, the US vice president complained of a suffocating smell coming from the guests, because of which he had to constantly pinch his nose.

I think that Joe Biden, before meeting with the Turks, had to get acquainted with the impressions of Joseph Brodsky - in vain that America had sheltered him? - about Istanbul. Perhaps, in this case, his surprise at the gathered dim audience would not be so great. “Urine-fired embers of a bonfire. This smell! Admixture of bad tobacco and sweaty soap. And underneath, wrapped around their loins, that is your turban ... Ubiquitous concrete, the consistency of a dung and the colors of an open grave, ”wrote the Nobel Prize winner about Turkey’s largest city in his trip to Istanbul.

Nevertheless, Joe Biden, not expecting it himself, involuntarily found himself in the circle of chosen people who managed to visit hell and come back. Having gone through the hell of communication with the Turks, the US Vice President found himself in the same company with the pious Aeneas, the cunning Odysseus, the singer and musician Orpheus, the poet Dante ... A good company: even for the US Vice President.

Already after the hellish torment of Biden, it became known that at least the Transcaucasian Turks had breakfast with the US Vice President from the Heydar Aliyev Foundation. So the US Vice President has another reason for pride: he not only talked with hellish characters, but he also managed to get into the pocket of the master of hellish forces, Shaitan, not by chance coinciding with becoming the President of Azerbaijan.

I hope now Biden, and at the same time Obama, will appreciate the patience of the Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Lezghins, Talysh and other peoples, who for several centuries have suffered the presence of Turks and the fragrance emanating from them.

[Kamilla]

The development of the "Armenian issue" in the "Karabakh frame" in the late 1980s. XX century.

As usual, the next stage in initiating the “Armenian movement” began from the outside. “By a lucky coincidence” coinciding with the period of Mikhail Gorbachev being in power in the USSR.

Following the international conference “The Armenian Question and Turkish Expansionism” (Athens) held in the spring of 1987 in June of the same year, the European Parliament adopted a resolution “On a Political Solution of the Armenian Question”. Although the document did not directly concern the Armenians of the USSR, the subtlety was the joint initiation of a bill of the Communist and Socialist factions of the European Parliament. Thus, a kind of message was sent to the head of the USSR, who officially announced the beginning of an era of “new political thinking”. The signal could not be heard, and the inspiration of the "Karabakh movement" began.

Naturally, from a place: the factor of collecting the signatures of the Karabakh Armenians turned out to be involved under the requirements on the need to join the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region (NKAO) of Azerbaijan to Armenia. As the Voice of Armenia newspaper noted, “it’s useful for us to recall that it was Alexander Yakovlev (a member of the Politburo who was considered the leader of the“ democratic ”wing of the CPSU - approx. Author) at that time and his entourage who played an important role in stimulating the Karabakh process (gathering signatures in Karabakh, etc.) ”(See: Ksenia Myalo. Russia and the last wars of the 1989th century (2000-XNUMX).

Already in August, the deputies of the Karabakh Armenians went to Moscow to "familiarize" the center with the "justification" of "reunification." Thus, there is a situation identical to the initiation of the “Armenian issue” in the Ottoman Empire.

The movement was “untwisted” according to the approved scheme: voicing the “problem” outside the country - discussing it in international structures - “ensuring” “expression of will” on the ground. The matter remained small: a demonstration of "understanding" of the "aspirations of the people" in the highest echelons of power of the USSR.

No problem. In November 1987 (one month after leaving all posts of Heydar Aliyev, the then-economic adviser M. Gorbachev, Abel Aganbegyan, in an interview with the French newspaper “Humanite” stated the following: “As an economist, I believe that [Karabakh] is more connected with Armenia than with Azerbaijan. In this regard, I made one proposal ”(See: Events around the NKAR in the crooked mirror of falsifiers (Collection of materials).

[Ataturk]

Sumgayit events - in the interests of all?

It is unlikely that anyone doubts that since the end of the 1980s, the West in all directions has confidently “broken through” the collapse of the USSR as a decisive factor in the collapse of the world socialist system. So the “Sumgayit break” was the most important link in the chain of bloody events that inevitably brought the collapse of the USSR closer. A. Mostovoy writes: “The state did not collapse in the Bialowieza Forest - there they divided power, not the country ... for the Soviet Union, a crack passed through Sumgait” (See: Anatoly Mostovoy. The massacre).

He is echoed by Gegham Khalatyan (Union of Armenians of Russia) and Roman Harutyunov (Armenian community of Moscow): “The collapse of the USSR began with pogroms in Sumgait” (See: Quoted from: “News archive of the newspaper“ Good Name ”for April 2002” )

http://good-name.narod.ru/stran-12.files/arhiv-new.files/new-b-04-02.htm

But the reader may be skeptical that the West was interested in the “bloody frame” of the movement toward the destruction of the USSR — this could decelerate the development of the idea. However, the entire course of further events in the USSR suggests the vitality of this fantastic, at first glance, version. A corroborating chord was the presentation of the Gorbi Nobel Peace Prize (!) In 1990 after the unprecedentedly brutal introduction of the Soviet army in Baku, the presence of masses of refugees not only in the South Caucasus, but also in Central Asia, etc.

This may raise the following question - then why did the West arrange a violent style of destroying the USSR (war, deportation ...)? It seems that it was this form that made it possible to predict the emergence in the “objects of bloody blows” of such a wave of hatred towards the center, which in the future it would be difficult for Moscow to return to the mainstream, at least, of a loyal attitude towards it. That is why the Kremlin’s periodic frightening actions against the republics, coupled with violent actions against each other by the warring parties (with the inaction of the highest Soviet power), allowed external forces to hope for a change in the subsequent geopolitical sympathies of the subjects of the USSR. Of course, the main in this context for the West was Azerbaijan, which was strategic at all times, whose population turned out to be a hostage to the geographical location of the republic.

We recognize, however, that the implementation of any task from the outside is impossible without its support (promotion) by various circles within the country. A clear confirmation of what were the events in the USSR since the late 1980s. Without a doubt, Soviet society was to a large extent ready for centrifugal tendencies (the topic of a separate in-depth study). But, in any case, internal forces (who voluntarily, who involuntarily) turned out to be the most active participants in the collapse of the USSR by initiating interethnic confrontation in the country.

By the period under review, the leadership of the CPSU clearly identified two groups: headed by a member of the Politburo Alexander Yakovlev - the so-called liberal-democratic ”and led by another member of the Politburo Egor Ligachev -“ conservative-anti-perestroika ”.

In reference to the development of the “Armenian movement”, the role of A. Yakovlev is clearly seen. Those. this wing of the CPSU recognized the possibility of redrawing borders within the USSR. On the other hand, the existence of a destabilizing situation within the USSR by 1988 became profitable and “conservatively thinking” to the leaders of the CPSU: from the point of view of demonstrating to the public the consequences of “excessive liberalization in the country”.

The heads of all power structures of the Soviet Union adjoined this branch. From this perspective, it is advisable to keep in mind that with the advent of M. Gorbachev, the positions of the defense department in the external arena have seriously weakened. In January 1988, the state leader called for the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan, and already in February, the export of Soviet medium-range missiles from the German Democratic Republic and Czechoslovakia began. The highest military ranks could restore their shaken prestige only on the “internal field”, for example, by positioning the army as the only force capable of localizing the growing ethnic strife in the country.

But in Soviet society there was another important electorate, trying to occupy its niche in the political alignment. The same A. Yakovlev not only led the “Social Democratic trends”, but also initiated the birth of the “democratic intelligentsia” movement in the USSR

[Ataturk]

David, these are facts with high and Russian sources. Stop people to deceive and cost poor miserable people from Armenians.

Everyone understands that you're lying. And you are a provocateur. Nobody believes you. Here are links and materials. Read and teach correctly and do not deceive people with your miserable propaganda like yesterday.

He writes that the Muslims are bad and the shura of mura are spinning with Iran themselves. Lebanon. Syria. Why are you silent about this? If Muslims are so bad, why are you almost kissing Iran’s right on the lips?

Why, then, do not go to your homeland France to earn money, but go to the Muslim country of Turkey?

You’re giving a fuss to the Russians, and why don’t you show the Armenian forums where mothers of Russians who have not forgiven your debts and took your factories. You swear them there and say you need to raise the price for Gyumri. Then you scold the Russians for selling weapons to us.

So where is your "Slavic brotherhood to the Russians?" Where are the Russian schools? Why in hostile Azerbaijan 90% of the population speaks Russian and those who live in Baku speak Russian without an accent, but if a huyastan hay opens his mouth in Russian and his ears fall down? The outpost should be more literate.

YOU ARE A LIES, PROVOCATOR!

[Ataturk]

Quote: David

By Shushi - Alien Azeri Nomads

I see you can’t calm down a provocateur in any way. Okay. I played out myself.
and so the topic
How Armenians hate their nation, or through the mouths of famous people
From a reference from the Prosecutor of the Echmiadzin Synod of the Armenian Gregorian Church A. Frenkel, which he presented to the Emperor of the Russian Empire in 1907, he worked as a prosecutor since 1892
"... Selfishness, intrigue, perjury, venality, servility seem to be the main national characteristics of this tribe ..., for the Armenian citizen has no homeland, which he would be proud of, but only the bitter consciousness that his people have been a slave and a hated parasite for 1300 years already ".
The father of Armenian history Movses Khorenatsi (Moses Khorensky) in the XNUMXth century spoke of his fellow tribesmen:
"-I want to point out hard-heartedness, like the arrogance of our people, ...
- rejecting the good, changing the truth ...
the obstinate people and criminal,..
-A SOUL THAT DOESN’T BELIEVE GOD!
-you made angry and did not bring repentance in your lodges (THIS IS ABOUT ANAIS TEMPLE, WHERE YOUR WOMEN WORKED ANCIENT PROFESSION AND WITH THESE WOMEN YOU HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED THE BEST BRIDES)
-you laid the slaughter and lawlessness, and those who trust in the gentlemen despised
-therefore they will find on you the nets of someone you did not recognize, and the loot you were chasing after will make you their prey, and you will fall into the same nets ... "
Professor Leo (an Armenian author of several large works on Armenian history, one of the creators of the mythical Armenian history, which was distributed with money from the Armenian church and millionaires in Europe, America and Russia) was forced to admit:
"Only a small part of the Armenian ashug creativity, one might say the most insignificant part of it, belongs to our literature. Most of it (dastans, heroic songs) in Turkic... For ashugs, in order to express the life depicted in fairy tales and songs, the Turkic language is more convenient than the Armenian folk dialects, it is more imaginative and much richer. "
In 1914, the Armenian historian Gevorg Aslan wrote in the book "Armenia and Armenians":
"The Armenians did not have statehood. They are not connected by the feeling of the Motherland and are not connected by political ties. Armenian patriotism is associated only with the place of residence." The chimerical idea of ​​reconstructing "Great Armenia", which as a state never existed, is a nationwide concept that united all the highways of the world.
The Armenian journalist R. Acharyan in his book "Turkic borrowings in the Armenian language" wrote that in the Armenian language more than 4200 Turkic words are used.
H. Abovyan (XIX century) wrote:
"... in our language half of the words are Turkic, or Persian words ".
The Armenian poet Yeghishe Charents owns the words:
"In us, hypocrisy appears in the womb".
PROVE DAVID THAT I WRITTEN NOT THE TRUTH)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
You will behave badly, I will lay out to you what I think about your Slavic brothers.

[David]

"Vasya"
These your "revelations" have already been posted here thousands of times))))))))))))))
I especially like your favorite "pearl" with Yeghishe Charents.
You do not have enough brain to understand that anyone who is interested in the words of Charents laid out by you will look for and find the original, in which the poet writes about all people on earth, and not about Armenians.
Because of such "pulling by the ears" nobody believes you anywhere.
Be careful
Now come on "Slavic brothers"

[Ataturk]

Quote: David

"Vasya"

Yesterday you told me my name, place of work, told everything in detail, and now I’ve become Vasya? Are you all right? Posts for the native did not hurt?

Quote: David

These your "revelations" have already been posted here thousands of times))))))))))))))
I especially like your favorite "pearl" with Yeghishe Charents.

I spread the Azerbaijani sources, you scream, I spread the Armenian sources you criticize again. You can not do it this way.

Quote: David

You do not have enough brain to understand that anyone who is interested in the words of Charents laid out by you will look for and find the original, in which the poet writes about all people on earth, and not about Armenians.

The conversation is about the Armenians and we are interested in the Armenians and not others. You posted about Azerbaijan, I told you about the Armenians. What is the problem?

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Because of such "pulling by the ears" nobody believes you anywhere.
Be careful

I do not think so. :)

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Now come on "Slavic brothers"

Why do you separate the Slavs with quotes?

Memoirs of the Russian diplomat General Mayevsky. From the book "Massacres Perpetrated by Armenians"
"Has anyone heard of the people's heroism of the Armenians? Where are the names of their battles for freedom carved? Nowhere! Because the" heroes "of the Armenians were more the executioners of their people than the saviors."
"The historical roots of Karabakh go back to the ancient era. It is one of the historical provinces of Azerbaijan. This region is an important political, cultural and spiritual center of Azerbaijan ... The notorious Karabakh problem was created by the falsified ideas of the Armenians "


A.S. Griboedov in a report on September 11-13, 1819 wrote to Mazarevich: "What a vile brat these Armenians are. None of them even wanted to know me, but at the same time they always whisper in their ear that we are their future patrons. A good protege. They sell us to the same Persians who are ready to crucify them and cook them under any sauce "

The historian A. Anninsky wrote at the end of the XNUMXth century:

“Due to the fact that nothing has survived that would testify to the former political power and importance of the culture of the ancient Armenians, it should be assumed that they did not possess either one or the other. Apparently they were always a small and wild tribe. They never possessed a complete political independence. The glaring poverty of the art of the Armenians is connected with this. We don’t have to talk about science at all. The Armenians have not created anything original over the entire period of their existence. "

Researcher V. Elikhovskaya wrote:
“The Armenians scattered all over the world adopt the customs, clothes, traditions of the peoples with whom they live together. In Turkey, an Armenian cannot be distinguished from a Turk, in Persia, an Armenian is a typical Persian.

[David]

Omarchik, are you this? ))))
I do not recognize you in makeup
And why didn’t you give Velichko? ))))
Do not get tired save-paste?
I have already read these "pearls" of yours a hundred times.
Who are you stamping them for? )))))
In addition to you and me, no one has entered this thread for the second day already
And you try everything))))

[AAA3337]

Wafa Guluzade: Al-Qaeda will be Azerbaijan’s last hope in resolving the Karabakh issue
“Western states do not support Azerbaijan in the Karabakh issue because of Russia,” ex-adviser to the president of Azerbaijan, Vafa Guluzadeh, said in an interview with the website Modern.az, commenting on a statement by the representative of the presidential administration of Azerbaijan Novruz Mammadov on Azerbaijan’s joining new political blocs for solutions to the Karabakh conflict. According to the political scientist, there is no structure supporting Azerbaijan in the Karabakh issue.

“If such a structure or organization existed, Azerbaijan would immediately turn to it. Russia is also a structure, but it has occupied our lands. Which side we should turn our gaze to, I can’t say. True, we are being made proposals to join various unions, but in return they are demanding to renounce the sovereignty that Azerbaijan has preserved to this day. The last hope, probably, will be cooperation with al-Qaeda, ”said V. Guluzade.

According to the Azerbaijani political scientist, the West does not help Azerbaijan over the Karabakh issue because of Russia, and until this country falls apart, no one will help Azerbaijan. “It’s difficult to ruin Russia right away, it’s being done gradually. When the price of oil drops to $ 30-40 per barrel, Russia will be destroyed. Then it will be possible to resolve the Karabakh issue, and now no one will help us, ”V. Guluzade emphasized.

[AAA3337]

Wafa Guluzade: Al-Qaeda will be Azerbaijan’s last hope in resolving the Karabakh issue
“Western states do not support Azerbaijan in the Karabakh issue because of Russia,” ex-adviser to the president of Azerbaijan, Vafa Guluzadeh, said in an interview with the website Modern.az, commenting on a statement by the representative of the presidential administration of Azerbaijan Novruz Mammadov on Azerbaijan’s joining new political blocs for solutions to the Karabakh conflict. According to the political scientist, there is no structure supporting Azerbaijan in the Karabakh issue.

“If such a structure or organization existed, Azerbaijan would immediately turn to it. Russia is also a structure, but it has occupied our lands. Which side we should turn our gaze to, I can’t say. True, we are being made proposals to join various unions, but in return they are demanding to renounce the sovereignty that Azerbaijan has preserved to this day. The last hope, probably, will be cooperation with al-Qaeda, ”said V. Guluzade.

According to the Azerbaijani political scientist, the West does not help Azerbaijan over the Karabakh issue because of Russia, and until this country falls apart, no one will help Azerbaijan. “It’s difficult to ruin Russia right away, it’s being done gradually. When the price of oil drops to $ 30-40 per barrel, Russia will be destroyed. Then it will be possible to resolve the Karabakh issue, and now no one will help us, ”V. Guluzade emphasized.

[Ataturk]

Quote: David

Omarchik, are you this? ))))
I do not recognize you in makeup

C'mon)))))) you have a special scent on me :) In the process, I need to get an antidavidvirus with a good update.

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And why didn’t you give Velichko? ))))
Do not get tired save-paste?

I decided to leave something for you as well. You wait a little. You eat lunch, before dinner with Velichko we will be in time.

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Who are you stamping them for? )))))

These are the answers to your false stampings.

Quote: David

In addition to you and me, no one has entered this thread for the second day already
And you try everything))))

I am in public, in contrast to which I do not work.

You know what's funny? When you can’t prove to me, you change the subject and my mood rises))))))))))) What are you weak comrade)))))?

David read a book the other day, a very interesting book ...

Then you can say and read it.
http://demopulse.org/biblioteka/dzhastin-makkarti-karolin-makkarti-tyurki-i-army
ane.pdf.html

Justin McCarthy and Carolyn McCarthy - TURKEY AND ARMENIANS

American historians have proved that the so-called “Armenian Genocide” is falsification

Do you have the courage to read this book?

this book is a scientific publication and here it is unambiguously confirmed that there was no so-called “Armenian genocide”. In response to the claims of the Armenians that, allegedly, by the order of the Ottoman government, the Armenian genocide was committed, the authors of the publication ask themselves the question: how correctly should the clash of two sides in Anatolia be called genocide? According to the authors of the publication, then about 600 thousand Armenians and about 2 million Turks died.

But the authors of the publication, Justin and Carolyn McCarthy, came to the conclusion that the revolutionary activity of the Armenians was based on a nationalist initiative, the desire, without taking into account the principle of the majority, to “find a homeland” in territories where the overwhelming majority were Muslims.

[David]

And what, someone once was able to prove something to you? )))))))))))))))))
My evidence is on your side
Lobster.
Do not disappoint me please.
You should have seen how yesterday two kudar brothers explained to your "great-power" fellow countrymen for their lives)))))

[Ataturk]

Quote: David

And what, someone once was able to prove something to you? )))))))))))))))))

Fortunately, I have 2 ear. I'm listening to you. Do you want to call say. I will be glad if you prove to me. I will listen to you with my right ear. I hear well with my right ear. Although everything is ok with the eyes. Write. I will read it. Just ask, not Wikipedia ... the local workers all have a residence permit in Armenia and live in Europe.

Quote: David

Lobster.
Do not disappoint me please.

Jaaan Davidushka, anti-Aberbi waste paper have you run out of? Okay, let's wikipedia ... read it together.

Quote: David

You should have seen how yesterday two kudar brothers explained to your "great-power" fellow countrymen for their lives)

You send them to me, I have experience in everyday matters. I promise everyone will be satisfied.

[AAA3337]

Wafa Guluzade: Al-Qaeda will be Azerbaijan’s last hope in resolving the Karabakh issue
“Western states do not support Azerbaijan in the Karabakh issue because of Russia,” ex-adviser to the president of Azerbaijan, Vafa Guluzadeh, said in an interview with the website Modern.az, commenting on a statement by the representative of the presidential administration of Azerbaijan Novruz Mammadov on Azerbaijan’s joining new political blocs for solutions to the Karabakh conflict. According to the political scientist, there is no structure supporting Azerbaijan in the Karabakh issue.

“If such a structure or organization existed, Azerbaijan would immediately turn to it. Russia is also a structure, but it has occupied our lands. Which side we should turn our gaze to, I can’t say. True, we are being made proposals to join various unions, but in return they are demanding to renounce the sovereignty that Azerbaijan has preserved to this day. The last hope, probably, will be cooperation with al-Qaeda, ”said V. Guluzade.

According to the Azerbaijani political scientist, the West does not help Azerbaijan over the Karabakh issue because of Russia, and until this country falls apart, no one will help Azerbaijan. “It’s difficult to ruin Russia right away, it’s being done gradually. When the price of oil drops to $ 30-40 per barrel, Russia will be destroyed. Then it will be possible to resolve the Karabakh issue, and now no one will help us, ”V. Guluzade emphasized.

[AAA3337]

Wafa Guluzade: Al-Qaeda will be Azerbaijan’s last hope in resolving the Karabakh issue
“Western states do not support Azerbaijan in the Karabakh issue because of Russia,” ex-adviser to the president of Azerbaijan, Vafa Guluzadeh, said in an interview with the website Modern.az, commenting on a statement by the representative of the presidential administration of Azerbaijan Novruz Mammadov on Azerbaijan’s joining new political blocs for solutions to the Karabakh conflict. According to the political scientist, there is no structure supporting Azerbaijan in the Karabakh issue.

“If such a structure or organization existed, Azerbaijan would immediately turn to it. Russia is also a structure, but it has occupied our lands. Which side we should turn our gaze to, I can’t say. True, we are being made proposals to join various unions, but in return they are demanding to renounce the sovereignty that Azerbaijan has preserved to this day. The last hope, probably, will be cooperation with al-Qaeda, ”said V. Guluzade.

According to the Azerbaijani political scientist, the West does not help Azerbaijan over the Karabakh issue because of Russia, and until this country falls apart, no one will help Azerbaijan. “It’s difficult to ruin Russia right away, it’s being done gradually. When the price of oil drops to $ 30-40 per barrel, Russia will be destroyed. Then it will be possible to resolve the Karabakh issue, and now no one will help us, ”V. Guluzade emphasized.

[Ataturk]

David, let's read the thoughts of famous people together. And you feed me Wikipedia, I agree. And then I see you are soured with everything, you are no longer talking about the Khudars and the Armenian state. Take it easy. Breathe evenly. Look for anti-Azeri waste paper and come on ... facts. Here is another portion of yummy from famous people. Read Davidushka.

Thoughts of the famous
The great Amir Timur (Tamerlan) said: History will not forgive me 2 things:
"1) The fact that I wanted to destroy the Armenians as an ethnos, 2) and the second, because I did not do it. True, there are good among the Armenians, but in general the people are disgusting. He will never express his thoughts in person, therefore it seems cultured, but in a convenient case will stab. "

No, he is a Muslim. Not good at talking. Better about Christians. And you wrote yesterday about hatred of Muslims in Egypt and around the world, although you forgot that you are sending your citizens to earn money from Muslims in Turkey, and you play online with Iran in Romeo Juliet.

But nothing, I understand, you forgot. I forgive David. We consider that Iran and Turkey are not Muslim countries. Only Egypt. and EVEN LEBANON AND SYRIA where your terrorists live, then not Muslim countries. I closed my eyes.

and so what does Engels say?

Friedrich Engels:
"Armenian slaves and concubines were the first dancers and prostitutes serving in Corinth (" Aphrodite's concubines ") and even in the temples of India.

what a horror, even Engels is familiar with the Armenians (((((((((bad Engels. What is he.

Karl Marx:
"Armenians, the first nation to start using their women as bedding for other peoples, as a way of survival"

I didn’t understand that they are all with the Armenians? Davidush what nonsense does Marx say?

Alexandr Duma (Father), "Caucasian Journey":
"The Armenians have always lived under the rule of rulers (OF RUSSIA HE WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THE FORPOST AND SO NEXT), who served different from the Armenian religion. (AS YESTERDAY YOU SAID YOU AND THE CATHOLICIANS AND THE SLAVS) As a result, they turned into people who hide their thoughts, feelings and intentions have turned into crooks and liars. "

Davidushka and Dumas ka-ka, and he lies ((((((((((

English traveler Wilson: The Armenians are greedy, greedy and vile, they do not respect anyone. They are masters to fan all sorts of little things, lovers of intrigue

DAVIDA HAHAHA HE WRITES ABOUT YOU)

P.Kerop Patkanov... Van inscriptions and their significance for the history of Western Asia. SPb. 1981, pp. 36-37. From the book "Armenia" by Magdi Neiman. SPb, 1899.
"Armenia, as a state, did not play any significant role in the history of mankind, its name was a geographical term spread by the Armenians, it was a place for resolving disputes between strong states - Assyrians, Medes, Iranians, Greeks, Mongols, Russians ..."
"Immediately after the conclusion of the Turkmenchay Treaty (February 10, 1828) under the leadership of Paskevich, 40 thousand Armenians from Iran and 90 thousand Armenians from Turkey were resettled to Azerbaijan. In total, in 1828-1896, more than 1 million were resettled from Iran and Turkey. Of these, 200 people were accommodated in the western lands of Azerbaijan, and the rest - in Karabakh and the Elizavetpol (Ganja) province. people".

WHAT IS NOT GOOD. David, how do you teach such people the mind of the mind, he died, go blow it up. So you decide? Not good, you see how he writes about you ((((((((((((

Adam Metz, Swiss Jew by origin (Moscow publishing house "Science" 1973, p. 144, Swiss Orientalist A. Metz, 1869-1917, wrote this book for 25 years), covering the history and culture of the Caliphate, wrote:
“Armenians are the worst slaves of whites, as well as negros (zinjis) are the worst of blacks. They have ugly legs, they have no shyness, theft is very common ... Their nature and their language are rude. If you leave an Armenian slave even for an hour without work, then his nature immediately pushes him to evil. He works well out of a stick and out of fear. If you see that he is lazy, it is only because it gives him pleasure, and not at all from weakness. Then you should take a stick, inflate him and make him do what you want. "

Georgian writer and thinker I. Chavchavadze: Excellency, do not allow the settlement of Armenians in the central Russian lands. They are from such a tribe that after living for several decades, they will start shouting to the whole world that this is the land of our fathers and great-grandfathers.

Georgian writer Sergi Sajaya: "Armenians are not lions, but only jackals serving stronger nations"

German leader and scientist Colmer von der Goltz, "Anatolian sketches"
"Everyone who is familiar with the bulk of the population in the provinces of Anatolia quickly gets used to respect and love the Turks, despise the Greeks and hate the Armenians. Local proverb"Greek will deceive two Jews, and Armenian - two Greeks"

eh, they don’t know David, he drives all of Russia. The whole forum is cheating)))))) what are 2 Greeks, here is the whole USSR, everyone has David’s noodles in his ears. Also found someone to praise. Our David, the best kidalshik from all best.

everywhere justifies itself. If somewhere in Anatolia you were deceived, then we can say with accuracy that you met with the Armenians. (and here with DAVID)

I do without any written contract when I deal with a Turk, because only his word is enough. When I deal with a Greek or other Levantines, I conclude a written agreement, because you cannot deal with them otherwise. With the Armenians, I do not even have any documents certified in writing, for even a written condition will not save the Armenians from intrigues and lies. "

American historians Justin and Carolyn McCarthy:
"Modern territory of Armenia not owned by Armenians, but to Azerbaijanis. This is precisely the reason why the majority of geographical names in the territory of Armenia relate to Azerbaijanis".

[Ataturk]

NOW, WE WILL TALK ABOUT WHAT ARMENIANS WERE DOED WITH AZERBAIJANIS IN ARMENIA BEFORE THE SUMGAIT EVENTS.

Pogroms of Azerbaijanis in Armenia. (1987-1988)

At the beginning of the XIX century, during the period preceding the entry of the Azerbaijani Khanates into the Russian Empire, Azerbaijanis made up a significant proportion of the population of the territory of modern Armenia, which was then part of the Irevan (Erivan) khanate.

According to the Armenian historian George Burnutyan, in the first quarter of the 80th century, Muslims made up 20% of the population of the Erivan Khanate, the remaining 1807% ​​were Christians (Armenians). (George A. Bournoutian. "Eastern Armenia in the Last Decades of Persian Rule, 1828-1982", Malibu: Undena Publications, 22, pp. 165, XNUMX).

After the annexation of the Irevan Khanate to the Russian Empire in 1828, many Azerbaijanis massively left this territory, and in their place arrived Armenian immigrants from Persia, and then Ottoman Turkey. Similar migration processes on a smaller scale continued until the end of the 1832th century. By XNUMX, in the territory of the former Irevan Khanate, the Armenians had already outnumbered Muslims in numbers.

According to the Encyclopedia of Brockhaus and Efron, by the beginning of the 300th century, Azerbaijanis populated “almost the whole of Russian Armenia”. Their number in the Erivan province was almost 37,5 thousand people, or 49%. Azerbaijanis predominated in four of the seven counties of the province, including the city of Erivan (present-day Yerevan), where they made up 48% of the population (compared with 1905% of Armenians). Traveler Luigi Villari, who visited the region in 1906, reports that the Azerbaijani population of Erivani as a whole was more prosperous than the Armenian; they owned most of the land. (“Fire and Sword in the Caucasus by Luigi Villari, London, TF Unwin, 267: p. XNUMX).

In 1905-1906, the Erivan province was the scene of clashes between Armenians and Azerbaijanis (known among contemporaries as the “Armenian-Tatar massacre”).

Tensions increased again after the collapse of the Russian Empire, when in 1918 Azerbaijan and Armenia became independent republics. Dashnak Armenia began the annexation of Azerbaijani lands in Zangezur and Upper Karabakh. The mass destruction and expulsion of the peaceful Azerbaijani population of Armenia began, with the aim of settling here Armenian immigrants from Ottoman Turkey. According to the American historian F. Kazemzade, quoted by the Armenian historian A. Boryan, the Dashnak government of independent Armenia of 1918-1920 was created not for managerial needs, but for “expelling the Muslim population and seizing their property.” (Firuz Kazemzadeh, PhD , University of Harvard, “The struggle for Transcaucasia, 1917-1921,” Philosophycal Library inc., NY, USA: 1951, pp. 214-215).

In Soviet times, Azerbaijanis, for many centuries living in Armenia, were systematically subjected to discrimination and exclusion on the social margins, which led to serious changes in the ethnic picture of the country. Despite this, Azerbaijanis managed to remain the largest ethnic minority of Armenia until the Karabakh war of the late XX century. After sovietization, relatively few Azerbaijanis returned to Armenia; the census of 1926 recorded only 78 thousand. By 1939, their number increased to 131 thousand.

In 1947, the Council of Ministers of the USSR adopted the decree "On the resettlement of collective farmers and other Azerbaijani population from the Armenian SSR to the Kura-Araksin lowland of the Azerbaijan SSR." As a result, about 100 Azerbaijanis were resettled “on a voluntary basis” (and in fact deportation) to the deserted Mugan steppe of Azerbaijan. Over the next four years, Azerbaijanis were deported from Armenia, giving way to their place of residence for Armenian returnees arriving from abroad. By 1959, the number of Azerbaijanis in Armenia was almost halved and amounted to 107 thousand. Then the process of survival of the Azerbaijanis remaining in Armenia from Yerevan and large cities followed. In Yerevan, the number of Azerbaijanis, who once made up the majority of the population, fell in percentage terms to 0,7% in 1979 and 0,1% in 1989.

[David]

You start to "burn" from the first phrase)))))))))
You yourself laid out the map, the state of affairs in the Transcaucasus, or rather in the Armenian Highlands from 1800 to 1870. Did you see the inscription "Azerbaijani Khanate" there? At least one? And you write: "At the beginning of the XNUMXth century, in the period preceding the entry of the Azerbaijani Khanates into the Russian Empire"

[Ataturk]

David, we are not talking about the highlands. And about what you did in Armenia with the Azerbaijani population. I do not know the Armenian Highlands. And where is the Azerbaijani Khanate? Khanates were considered by region.
The conversation is about the fact that, in the last 100 years, Karabakh has been part of Azerbaijan, and you say this to Artsakh, and so on, according to your words, then the whole world should return land to each other. Ready for such a process?

[AAA3337]

ttp: //xocali.net/RU/intro.html http://www.baku.am/ here it’s a lot of interesting things I suggest everyone will look here about Khojaly and about all the atrocities of the Azerbaijanis

[AAA3337]

ttp: //xocali.net/RU/intro.html http://www.baku.am/ here it’s a lot of interesting things I suggest everyone will look here about Khojaly and about all the atrocities of the Azerbaijanis

[David]

For example, the geographical name "Armenian Highland"
Or does this geographical name sound different on US maps?
In my opinion, "Armenian Highlands" is an academic term.
Lobster.
Quotes, of course terrible)))
I'm just "shocked" by these Armenians how bad they are
I have to deal with one of them 24! hours a day)))))
And the rest is clear.
The old, proven, your favorite is a blockhead ")) method - we will pull" with the world on a thread - a beggar shirt ".
Did you read Marx, Engels and all those you quote? )))
You just pull phrases out of context))
And - very often - your comments have no reliance on the source.
For example, from the link to the book of Je and Ke McCarthy that you gave me - you can’t download anything
In general, you, as always - piz ​​.. ill))
Eldash

[Ataturk]

I'm talking about Ivan and you're talking about a boob. We talked about Sumgait and not about some kind of highlands David. You acknowledge that Karabakh was occupied, there was no genocide in Sumgait, that yours were killed before Sumgait. Then we turn to the topic of the Armenian Highlands. Believe me there, too, I will prove to you a lot of Armenian lies.
In the meantime, I will not depart from the topic.

[AAA3337]

ttp: //xocali.net/RU/intro.html http://www.baku.am/ here it’s a lot of interesting things I suggest everyone will look here about Khojaly and about all the atrocities of the Azerbaijanis

[AAA3337]

Wafa Guluzade: Al-Qaeda will be Azerbaijan’s last hope in resolving the Karabakh issue
“Western states do not support Azerbaijan in the Karabakh issue because of Russia,” ex-adviser to the president of Azerbaijan, Vafa Guluzadeh, said in an interview with the website Modern.az, commenting on a statement by the representative of the presidential administration of Azerbaijan Novruz Mammadov on Azerbaijan’s joining new political blocs for solutions to the Karabakh conflict. According to the political scientist, there is no structure supporting Azerbaijan in the Karabakh issue.

“If such a structure or organization existed, Azerbaijan would immediately turn to it. Russia is also a structure, but it has occupied our lands. Which side we should turn our gaze to, I can’t say. True, we are being made proposals to join various unions, but in return they are demanding to renounce the sovereignty that Azerbaijan has preserved to this day. The last hope, probably, will be cooperation with al-Qaeda, ”said V. Guluzade.

According to the Azerbaijani political scientist, the West does not help Azerbaijan over the Karabakh issue because of Russia, and until this country falls apart, no one will help Azerbaijan. “It’s difficult to ruin Russia right away, it’s being done gradually. When the price of oil drops to $ 30-40 per barrel, Russia will be destroyed. Then it will be possible to resolve the Karabakh issue, and now no one will help us, ”V. Guluzade emphasized.

[Ataturk]

The process of ousting Azerbaijanis from Armenia took place in a sluggish form, including during the 60-70s. XX century, when Azerbaijani cultural and educational institutions were closed, newspapers in the Azerbaijani language were closed, there was an exodus of the educated part of the Azerbaijani population and the Azerbaijani intelligentsia from the Armenian SSR.

As a result of these processes, by 1987, the vast majority of the Azerbaijani population in the Armenian SSR became peasants, living mainly in the highlands of the republic. According to the 1979 census, Azerbaijanis in Armenia made up only 6,5% of the population (whereas at the beginning of the 40th century, Azerbaijanis made up 50-XNUMX% of the population).

The complete deportation of Azerbaijanis from the Armenian SSR is connected with the beginning of the Karabakh conflict. In the period from 1987 to 1990, about 200 thousand Azerbaijanis were deported from the Armenian SSR, of which more than 4 thousand were expelled before the Sumgayit events of February 1988.

However, a few years before, in Armenia, on the day of memory of the victims of the so-called “Armenian genocide” - on April 24, 1983, a powerful alarm sounded, a harbinger of future tragic events. The fact is that since 1965, at the request of the Armenian side, the allied leadership approved the holding of events on the occasion of the “Armenian genocide” on April 24. Since then, rallies-processions were held every year, which often resulted in riots and attacks on the Azerbaijani population of Armenia. On this day, April 24, 1983, in the center of the Masis (Zangibasar) district, Armenian extremists broke into an Azerbaijani wedding (during the wedding of the son of Karim and Sona Kafarov) and carried out the massacre. Protesters in the Masis district broke into the bride’s house and seriously injured 4 people, dozens were injured. (Senuber Saralli, “Genocide. Annotation of the districts. List of dead and brutally killed in Western Azerbaijan in 1987-1992”). After that, the affected Azerbaijanis filed numerous complaints that were not accepted by local authorities. Outraged by lawlessness, the victims were forced to turn to the central allied authorities. As a result, all the same, no criminal proceedings were instituted against the guilty of this crime.

http://senuber.az/new/db/show_news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1204632210&archive=
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“On the same day, April 24, 1983, the Azerbaijani cemetery was defeated. Azerbaijanis, in protest of this act of Armenian vandalism, gathered on the Turkish border and held a rally demanding to go to Turkey. Only after that, the leadership of the Masis region of Armenia ordered to restore the cemetery, which was done in one night. Meanwhile, the Moscow commission, which arrived at the scene, in its final act regarded the tragic event that occurred on the basis of ethnic hatred as a conflict on domestic grounds. "No one was duly punished, and this launched the next attacks of brutal militant nationalism." (Gabib Rahimoglu, “Unforgettable Names, Unhealed Wounds”).

[Ataturk]

The first threats from the Armenian nationalists to the Azerbaijanis began to be voiced in 1986, when the “Karabakh” issue was raised unofficially in some circles of the Armenian diaspora abroad. In the same year and the next 1987, refugees began to appear in Azerbaijan, mainly from the Kafan and Meghra regions of Armenia. In 1986-1987, the government of the Azerbaijan SSR adopted special decrees (though not publicizing it in the interests of "friendship of peoples") about these refugees who were settled in and around Sumgait.

A statement by Academician Abel Aganbegyan, adviser to the head of the USSR, academician Abel Aganbegyan, in 1987 in the Paris newspaper “Humanite” about his desire to “see Nagorno-Karabakh as part of Armenia” was regarded in Armenia as M. Gorbachev’s consent to join Nagorno-Karabakh to Armenia. These conversations spread with lightning speed in the republic, which marked the beginning of an interethnic conflict. From this spark, a fire of anti-Azerbaijani hysteria soon spread throughout Armenia.

According to British journalist Tom de Waal, in November 1987, Armenian extremists expelled Azerbaijanis from the Kafan region of Armenia. The British BBC also disseminated information that on January 25, 1988, Azerbaijanis were expelled from the Kafan region of Armenia.

According to eyewitnesses, it is known that the tragedy erupted in the south of Armenia, in the Meghrinsky and Kafan districts, in the villages of compact residence of Azerbaijanis. In November 1987, two freight wagons arrived at the Baku railway station with Azerbaijanis forced to flee Kafan due to interethnic clashes. Eyewitnesses of those events, in particular Sveta Pashayeva, a widowed Baku Armenian, told how she saw the refugees who arrived in Baku and that she wore clothes and food for them.

In his interview with journalist Thomas de Waal, the second secretary of the Kafan district committee Aramais Babayan did not deny the fact that the Azerbaijanis left the Kafan region in November 1987, but claimed that there was no violence, “and the Azerbaijanis left because they were afraid of something ".

As we see, the expulsion of Azerbaijanis from the Armenian SSR began long before the start of the Karabakh conflict and before the events in Sumgait.

The organizer of the mass expulsion of Azerbaijanis from the territory of Western Azerbaijan was the first secretary of the Central Committee (CC) of the Communist Party of Armenia Suren Harutyunyan. This is the most dressed-up Dashnak, who in 1965, in connection with the 50th anniversary of the “genocide” of Armenians, organized student demonstrations and riots in Yerevan. Thus, the communist government of Soviet Armenia completed the ethnic cleansing of Azerbaijanis begun by the Dashnak government at the beginning of the XNUMXth century.

Around January 25, 1988, four buses with Azerbaijani refugees from Kafan arrived in Baku, all of them in terrible condition. Mostly women, children and the elderly. There were few young people. Many are badly beaten.

By February 1988, the mechanism of this deportation campaign had been finalized and ready to be launched. Aramais Babayan, then the second secretary of the Kafan committee of the party, confirmed that “one night in February 1988, two thousand Azerbaijanis really left the Kafan region, but believes that“ the rumors and provocations ”became the reason for this mass exodus.

In February 1988, the third Karabakh delegation, consisting of "writers and artists", arrived in Moscow. In the meantime, about ten thousand leaflets were delivered to Nagorno-Karabakh with a call to start the struggle “for the Miatsum” (unification of Armenia and the NKAR). All further events were coordinated so that their beginning coincided with the return of the Karabakh delegation from Moscow. Here is what one of the main provocateurs of the ethnic conflict, activist of the Karabakh movement Igor Muradyan, says:

“On the night of February 12-13, these leaflets were sent to Stepanakert’s mailboxes, without exception. We had no serious problems. Already on the afternoon of the 12th, we realized that our city, because the police, law enforcement agencies, party workers, all came to us and said: “You can rely on us.” They informed us about the intentions of the KGB, about who comes from Baku, who comes from Moscow. We owned all the information, did not hide anything from us. ”

According to A.F. Dashdamirov (secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Azerbaijan SSR in 1988-1991), "by February 18, 1988, the number of Azerbaijanis forced to leave Armenia as a result of the escalation of an atmosphere of fear and violent actions has already exceeded four thousand." (Bulletin of Analytics, No. 3 - 2005).

Here are some testimonies of Azerbaijani refugees from Armenia recorded by Baku journalists: “Since February 19, we have not slept a single night. Azerbaijanis from neighboring villages gathered in our village to them. Kalinina Masisi region for security. And the village itself is under the protection of the border units, ”said Huseyn Gambarov from the Ararat state farm in the Masis district. - The Azerbaijani school was closed. At night, they gathered around a fire in the center of the village or village for 10-20 men to guard at home. And yet, such a night does not pass that no house is set on fire. Old men, women, children lie dressed, even in shoes. So that you can jump up and run. " (Bulletin of Analytics, No. 3 - 2005).

[David]

Have you helped people whose photographs are so frivolously displayed?
Anything?
Just a drop?
From his personal hard earned money.
How many refugees do you have, Omar?
750 with displaced persons?
How much do they have benefit?
How much did you spend on weapons?
Compare these two figures in dynamics since 1994.
And also, listen to this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S-Bz6v2qfY
I hope you laugh)))))
Just listen to the end)))

[Ataturk]

Quote: David

Have you helped people whose photographs are so frivolously displayed?
Anything?
Just a drop?

President of Azerbaijan, he began to look after his refugees well. Unlike yours. Azerbaijani refugees are one of the richest refugees. But the trouble is that, no matter how much and no matter how they are fed, they want to HIS Karabakh. They do not need your help, not yours.
The death of their loved ones with money and help cannot be bought off. Rather, they need compassion, listen to their problems and not buy and sell.

Quote: David

From his personal hard earned money.

I feel sorry for you David. You are powerless. You cannot write and have a dialogue. Your greed crushes your soul.

Quote: David

How many refugees do you have, Omar?
750 with displaced persons?
How much do they have benefit?
How much did you spend on weapons?
Compare these two figures in dynamics since 1994.
And also, listen to this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S-Bz6v2qfY
I hope you laugh)))))
Just listen to the end)))

Your actions indicate that you are not a serious person. You cannot finish one thing. You and pulls like humpty Balta. The topic is not about refugees, but about Sumgait. Do not talk nonsense. Recognize the genocide of Azerbaijanis, acknowledge the deceit of your fellow countrymen, acknowledge that Sumgayit did not have genocide, acknowledge what you started and then write to me about refugees. Otherwise, you don’t need to arrange a trash here. People will read your posts and see how I disclose all your lies with your posts and your own links.

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[David]

Did you listen to the song? )))))))

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[David]

I just noticed.
Why is the Nakhichevan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region?
You live on ours! the earth. In the Armenian Highlands.
You come! to visit
Guests are distinguished by the fact that they leave
When guests are poorly brought up - you have to remind

[Ataturk]

Quote: David

I just noticed.
Why is the Nakhichevan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region?
You live on ours! the earth. In the Armenian Highlands.
You come! to visit
Guests are distinguished by the fact that they leave
When guests are poorly brought up - you have to remind

Show me a document, at least 1, that Karabakh is yours. I wait. If you don’t show, I will take you as a bells and whistle. And in what document does Nakhchivan and Karabakh belong to you.

SHOW

Quote: David

You come! to visit
Guests are distinguished by the fact that they leave
When guests are poorly brought up - you have to remind

I posted posts for you, but if you want me again, you are guests in the Caucasus. You were not there. Even in the pictures of Yerevan only 100 years ago, there were some mosques there. Why haven’t you saved anything ancient in ancient Yerevan? Do you want us to send you a map of ancient Yerevan ... How it was built))))))))))))))))

Poor David ....))))))))

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[Ataturk]

“Three houses were set on fire in our village of Artashat in the Masisi district - U. Abdullaev, A. Sadigov and Nizami,” collective farmer Gumbat Abbasov reports. - Since February 9, we have not been allowed to go on a drive, the crops grown by our labor disappear. From February 19, you will not find a single Azerbaijani surname in the records of hospitals, clinics, medical posts of Armenia. Although 200 thousand Azerbaijanis live there. They don’t sell bread and food to us. They are not allowed in public transport. On February 19, mass unreasonable dismissals of Azerbaijanis began. They spat on our face in the most literal sense of the word and shouted: “Turks, get out of the Armenian land!” (Vestnik Analitiki, No. 3 - 2005).

Russian writer and publicist Alexander Prokhanov, who has repeatedly been a reporter in the zone of the flaring Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, notes that since the end of 1987 Azerbaijanis began to be expelled from the Armenian city of Kafan. “For centuries people lived there together, but Azerbaijanis began to be expelled from these places. The Armenians initiated the bloody conflict that continues to this day. Azerbaijanis expelled from Kafan through mountain passes reached Azerbaijan. And it is in the winter! On the way, children, women, old people died. The Kafan transition was reflected in pain and hatred in the entire Azerbaijani people. The Azerbaijanis expelled from Kafan arrived in Sumgayit, where subsequently the well-known Sumgayit events took place, ”A. Prokhanov recalls.

The second secretary (1983-1988) of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Azerbaijan SSR Vasily Konovalov also notes that in the winter of 1987, Azerbaijani refugees began to arrive in Azerbaijan from the Kafan, Masis and Meghri districts of the Armenian SSR. “The Armenians drove them out. People grabbed the first things that caught their eye and fled to the territory of the Azerbaijan SSR. I met with them, I still remember their questions, which remained unanswered: “Why didn’t Moscow and Baku protect us from Armenian extremism?”, V.Konovalov recalls.

“Refugees from Armenia were settled mainly in Sumgait. People were naked, with no roof over their heads. Plus, more and more new messages came daily that Armenians were expelling Azerbaijanis from Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. In the end, all this resulted in the Sumgayit events of February 1988, ”V. Konovalov summarizes.

“The Armenian side was better prepared for confrontation and war. The Armenians acted more decisively, faster, ruthlessly, they were helped by the confidence in their innocence, instilled by the "historians." They very early in the summer of 1987 began to tune themselves to power actions. The cultural society “Krunk” (“Crane”), as many claim, was a cover for the secret organization of KRUNK (Committee for the Revolutionary Administration of Nagorno-Karabakh). For the first time, the Azerbaijani reaction was the reaction of a bewildered, taken aback party, ”said Alexander Sevastyanov, a member of the Union of Writers of Russia and the Union of Journalists of Russia.

Colonel Ogtay Hajiyev, chief of the Civil Defense Staff (1985-1991), Ganja recalls: “I had an Armenian chauffeur, Gerasim Babayan, who lived in the village of Vorovsky in Baku. Gerasim told me that he was moving from Baku to Yerevan, where he had already purchased a house. Moreover, his parents categorically refused to leave Baku and move to Yerevan. I’m telling him why you should move if your parents stay here. And here is what he told me: “Comrade Colonel, after what I saw in Armenia how the Azerbaijanis are treated there, we will not be able to live normally here. Cigarettes are burned on the bodies of Azerbaijanis, underwear is torn from women. When these Azerbaijanis come here, it will become impossible for us to live here. Only you don’t tell anyone, otherwise they will kill me. ”

The above numerous facts and evidence prove that the expulsion of Azerbaijanis from Armenia was not spontaneous, but coordinated. There is every reason to assert that the actions of the “hooligans” were controlled by the Armenian authorities, who decided to take advantage of the situation and completely expel the Azerbaijani population from Armenia.

[Ataturk]

In 1988, at a rally in Yerevan, the activist of the Karabakh committee Rafael Ghazaryan (now an academician of the Armenian Academy of Sciences) openly called: “with the help of the detachments that were created in advance, to ensure emigration in every possible way. For the first time in these decades, we have been given a unique opportunity to cleanse Armenia from these Turks. I consider this the greatest achievement of our struggle in these ten months. ” ("Armenia: twenty months of struggle. Collection of documents." Samizdat ANM. Yerevan, 1989, p.15).

As a result of the last ethnic cleansing in 1988 in the Armenian SSR, the last phase of the mono-ethnicization of the republic was carried out. As a result, the Armenian population reached 98-99% of the total population of Armenia. Responsibility for these events was assigned to the Armenian nationalists together with the leadership of the republic, which was even mentioned in the resolution adopted by the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee. However, the decisions of the union leadership were calmly ignored by the authorities of the Armenian SSR. It should be especially noted that Mikhail Gorbachev and his entourage were well aware of the lawlessness and violence in Armenia.

It is enough to recall the interesting dialogue that took place before the eyes of the entire Union between Mikhail Gorbachev and Academician of the Academy of Sciences of the Armenian Republic, Rector of Yerevan State University S.A. Hambartsumyan.

At a meeting of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on July 18, 1988, devoted to the situation around the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Republic of the Azerbaijan SSR, the General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee M. Gorbachev asked S. Hambartsumyan:

M.S. Gorbachev: “Tell me, at the beginning of the century, how many Azerbaijani people were in Yerevan?”

S.A. Hambartsumyan: “At the beginning of the century, in Yerevan?”

M.S. Gorbachev: “Yes.”

S.A. Hambartsumyan: “I am at a loss to say.”

M.S. Gorbachev: “You must know. I remind you - 43 percent of Azerbaijanis were in Yerevan at the beginning of the century. Now what is the percentage of Azerbaijanis? ”

S.A. Hambartsumyan: “Now there are very few. Probably one percent. "

Mikhail Gorbachev: “And I do not want to blame the Armenians for having survived the Azerbaijanis from there. Apparently, some processes were going on, which in general should be understood. ”

(Materials from a meeting of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR published in the Pravda newspaper of July 19, 1988).

An interesting phrase by Mikhail Gorbachev that “there were some processes going on in Armenia that should be sorted out” clearly confirms that he knew about the forced deportations as a result of which the Azerbaijanis, who made up a significant part of the population of the Armenian SSR, were completely expelled .

According to the report of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, the Azerbaijani population, the largest ethnic minority in Armenia until 1988, “was expelled from the republic with the participation of local authorities.” (P. 33-35).

Demographic changes were accompanied by the total renaming of settlements and place names in the territory of the Armenian SSR. In total, during the period from 1924 to 1988, about 1000 toponyms of the Armenian SSR were renamed. Similar changes in toponyms and names of settlements continued in the post-Soviet period. The last stage was the renaming of the Turkic place names remaining in the republic. According to the head of the State Committee of the Real Estate Cadastre of Armenia Manuk Vardanyan, in 2006 another 57 settlements were renamed. In 2007, another 21 settlements of the republic were renamed. This process took a long time due to the fact that there were problems with the choice of a new name.

Summing up, it can be stated that the process of forced expulsion of Azerbaijanis in Armenia in 1987 was a deliberate step by Armenian nationalists in the leadership of the country and the foreign diaspora. At the same time, the leadership of the Armenian SSR was sure that the first persons of the USSR - Mikhail Gorbachev and his entourage would not interfere with this "plan", otherwise the Armenian nationalists would not have dared to brazenly and openly destroy and expel the Azerbaijani population of Armenia.

These cold-blooded nationalists were completely indifferent to the fact that by doing so they endanger the Armenian population of Azerbaijan, on the contrary, one of the goals of the deportation of Azerbaijanis from Armenia was precisely the desire to push them with the Armenian population of Azerbaijan. And then, according to the “classical” method, which has already become a classic method for the leaders of Armenian nationalism: the injured Armenians were used for propaganda purposes, as regular victims of the “eternally long-suffering people”.

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[Ataturk]

And now David, look at these photos, the tears of the elderly, children, I have not yet laid out about Khojaly, and the next time you will lie that you are peaceful and Sumgait was genocide, be afraid of God, as if you were cursed by him until 7- th knee.
I posted almost the entire archive. You can prove the facts, prove it. But remember, I revealed above the lies of exactly Armenian sites. Spreading their sources. Think about it. Stop lying. Have you ever thought that the trouble you are experiencing is the greed of such deceivers and provocateurs like you?
Think about it.

[David]

"Vasya"
Let's finish already
Old people children
If you were there, long ago you would snatch
And Khojaly is not necessary.
I do not believe in your version of the Khojaly events
It’s just that if you start to upload photos of dead people again now ... - it’s better for no one
I saw these photos

Specifically with this and not only, it is possible to familiarize here http://rubsev.ru/2012/03/oleg-rusin-xodzhaly-i-srebrenica-istoricheskaya-pravda-
protiv-virtualnyx-genocidov /
There immediately and about Prokhanov and about Kafan and about Khojaly
I myself am Sisian, more specifically Bartsravansky
Kafan is not so far
That's the truth, Omar. Together with your favorite "Azerbaijani khanates")))))))

[Ataturk]

You will see my truth soon.

[nemesis 13]

Quote: Ataturk

You will see my truth soon.

in detail please

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[Artmark]

But how do these people recognize Azerbaijanis or Armenians? or even these pictures from another conflict ?!

[416sd]

Ataturk, pay attention, he tried to give arguments. Got an answer. The second round (proof of arguments) did not start - it went into other topics. He will do this in every circle. Let's leave him. Purely out of respect for the Russian-speaking forum. Here it will simply stupidly repeat the same thing from day to day. then one more "David" will appear, and his arguments will have to be overlapped again, I cannot bear it. Therefore, avoiding long scribbling, I simply discard the finished material through links. All the more since he went into the history of the conflict in the late 1980s. :

ARMENIA AND THE DIASPORA: AS PANDUCHTS WAS BOUND
http://1news.az/authors/120/20110601015855868.html#page1

MIATSUM - GEOPOLITICAL HERNIA
http://1news.az/authors/120/20111121092336500.html#page1

My answer is there.

[Ataturk]

Quote: 416sd

Ataturk, pay attention, he tried to give arguments. Got a response. The second round (proof of arguments) did not begin - he left for other topics.

He is a provocateur. I already understood that. I began to spread the Armenian sources, exactly those that he used and also showed a deception of his posts and accusations.

He writes about a brotherhood with the Slavs, but is silent about the fact that his diaspora is in the USA, and they often put up Russian anti-slogans. Plus, in Armenia, when they had a parade, rallying with posters, they say we are not your land, leave, so they immediately to the police. He speaks of love for Russians, but at the same time, Russian schools were banned from having in Armenia. Evidence of this, Armenian users who begin to speak Russian. Scary picture.

Then he began to lie about the fact that Muslims are bad. But at the same time, he was silent that with Iran they were spinning munks of shura and their people were going to work not in Russia but in Turkey.

He began to expose Old, about Sumgayit ... I, by his own sources, proved that all he writes is pure nonsense and deceit.

And when he has no evidence, he immediately turns on, saying that he didn’t get it, saying how much more you will show it.

He also forgot to mention how the Russians paid in Moscow with a metro explosion, and that was for Karabakh. That’s all their love.

I really hope that the administration of the site will keep what I wrote, and just that, we will discuss here.

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[David]

Friend - i.e. are you ready?
Look - oil tends to end, and people - to die

[Hairy Siberian]

Dear evening. I always went to this site with pleasure. Until you, gentlemen, Azerbaijanis dug in here. I have never heard so many lies and insults at the address of Armenians. Of course there are worthy people among you. But there are frank nits. For example, a certain Omar: Because only women can insult women, threaten massacres and constantly swear !!! I have always respected Azerbaijanis. I have a childhood friend, Vagif, my wedding witness Rezvan, Azerbaijanis. We don’t even suspect that such hatred exists. To fight is an honor, but that you write here only rotten rot. . And now, even looking at the photos of these unfortunate people, I do not feel sorry for my horror. And you are to blame for this. If you think that all Russians are sitting here in the audience and nodding approvingly or booing at you, express yourself like men, without touching women ! I am for the war, but for such that after it you can TOGETHER sit down at the table and drink for those who are heroes!

[Ataturk]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

Dear evening. I always went to this site with pleasure.

From the side who reads, you will think here at least a year sitting, and registered only on April 30.

Quote: Hairy Siberian

I have never heard so many lies and insults at the address of the Armenians.

And can you prove what I posted is a lie? If you confirm that Armenian sources are a hoax, so be it :)

Quote: Hairy Siberian

But there are frank nits. For example, a certain Omar. Because insulting women, threatening massacre and constantly swearing can only hm !!! I have always respected Azerbaijanis. I have a childhood friend, Vagif, my wedding witness Rezvan, Azerbaijanis. We don’t even suspect that such hatred exists. To fight is an honor, but that you write here only rotten rot. . And now, even looking at the photos of these unfortunate people, I do not feel sorry for my horror. And you are to blame for this. If you think that all Russians are sitting here in the audience and nodding approvingly or booing at you, express yourself like men, without touching women ! I am for the war, but for such that after it you can TOGETHER sit down at the table and drink for those who are heroes!

Everything is clear with you :) Although I will answer. Are you for the war and then sit down together at the table after the murders from 2 sides and have a drink? What idiot are you thinking of us? Do you speak women? At least you would be silent. According to statistics, the largest number of female beatings in Russia.
Alas, this is so. You even ate one Armenian. Show news?

[Kamilla]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

I have never heard so many lies and insults at the address of the Armenians

you hear about this conflict, only what you want to hear and know ... what is beneficial to you, probably, but you do not want to open your eyes and listen to the other side ... you probably have your own reasons for this.

[Hairy Siberian]

Firstly, I’m Armenian! Secondly, I’m just trying to offer you to communicate with dignity! If you are educated, you should understand that it’s an agitprom agitprom, and incite ethnic hatred in a foreign country, where many Armenians and Azerbaijanis are friends in the full sense of the word - another! But apparently the money that you are paid to humiliate the Armenians is more expensive than the last crumbs of friendship between our peoples! Regarding the war, I’d rather die on the battlefield than from a knife in the back from a zombie zombie by your articles!

[synchrophasatron]

hairy, again mopping in the neighbor's eye, not noticing a log in his own?

[Kamilla]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

Firstly, I am Armenian!

it was necessary to begin with this! Now everything is clear.....

Quote: Hairy Siberian

invite you to communicate with dignity

always please, within the bounds of decency .. but unfortunately, your compatriots who are here, understand all this ... even to me, did not shun, despite the fact that I am a woman.

Quote: Hairy Siberian

apparently you are more expensive than the money that they pay you

I don’t pay anything personally .. can you believe it or not .... and we do not humiliate anyone, we just write the truth ..... this is our duty, so do not

[AAA3337]

In Azerbaijan, “Media is free, so World Press Freedom Day is not needed”
The traditional UN press conference took on a somewhat comical tone when journalists began asking the Azerbaijani ambassador for censorship in his country, and it turned out that he did not know that the world was celebrating Press Freedom Day that day.

Aghshin Mehdiyev, ambassador and current chairman of the Security Council, quickly recovered, saying that in Azerbaijan there is no need to celebrate Press Freedom Day on May 3, since nothing restricts the work of the media in the country.

At a briefing during which Mehdiyev spoke about the plans of the Security Council for a month, one journalist asked him if Azerbaijan marks World Press Freedom Day.

There was a pause for a while, after which Deputy Permanent Representative Tofig Musaev intervened: "We do not have a public holiday on this occasion, but, if I am not mistaken, there is an international day of freedom of expression ..."

“It’s just today,” several journalists noted at the same time.

Musaev hesitated and then said: "Oh, this is today, by the way. Sorry."

Here Mehdiyev joined: "I congratulate you all! Well, since we have a free press, we do not need to appoint a specific day," after which he laughed heartily.

On May 2, the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) named Azerbaijan a country close to the top ten countries with the most severe censorship.

The committee's report says that Azerbaijan received this status due to the fact that “there are no foreign or independent media outlets in the country, and the few journalists who work for independent newspapers or online publications are subject to constant threats and intimidation, including being sent to prisons for trumped-up charges ”.

Mehdiyev told reporters that he does not deny the fact that some journalists in Azerbaijan are imprisoned, but noted that their journalistic work was not a crime.

“Let's not confuse freedom of speech with exemption from responsibility,” he said. “These are two different things. I am convinced that there are no people in our prisons convicted for their work, their profession or political views.”

“You know, hundreds of people are serving their sentences in prison. Anyone can be found: engineers, journalists, mechanics,” Mekhtiyev added.

He also offered to share with journalists links to opposition sites and sites of independent online news editions that operate in the country and operate without censorship. Local Azerbaijani radio stations, however, do not have the right to re-broadcast the work of RFE / RL (Radio Liberty).

On April 17, Azerbaijani journalist Eynulla Fatullayev became a laureate of the prestigious UNESCO International Press Freedom Award. In 2007, Fatullaev was sentenced to imprisonment on charges of libel and terrorism, and later for drug-related crimes. He was released last year.

Media rights organizations denounced his arrest and accused authorities of harassing a journalist who was an editor in two newspapers critical of the government.
Courtney BROOKS,
("Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty", USA)

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: AAA3337

In Azerbaijan, “Media is free, so World Press Freedom Day is not needed”
The traditional UN press conference took on a somewhat comical tone when journalists began asking the Azerbaijani ambassador for censorship in his country, and it turned out that he did not know that the world was celebrating Press Freedom Day that day.

Aghshin Mehdiyev, ambassador and current chairman of the Security Council, quickly recovered, saying that in Azerbaijan there is no need to celebrate Press Freedom Day on May 3, since nothing restricts the work of the media in the country.

At a briefing during which Mehdiyev spoke about the plans of the Security Council for a month, one journalist asked him if Azerbaijan marks World Press Freedom Day.

There was a pause for a while, after which Deputy Permanent Representative Tofig Musaev intervened: "We do not have a public holiday on this occasion, but, if I am not mistaken, there is an international day of freedom of expression ..."

“It’s just today,” several journalists noted at the same time.

Musaev hesitated and then said: "Oh, this is today, by the way. Sorry."

Here Mehdiyev joined: "I congratulate you all! Well, since we have a free press, we do not need to appoint a specific day," after which he laughed heartily.

On May 2, the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) named Azerbaijan a country close to the top ten countries with the most severe censorship.

The committee's report says that Azerbaijan received this status due to the fact that “there are no foreign or independent media outlets in the country, and the few journalists who work for independent newspapers or online publications are subject to constant threats and intimidation, including being sent to prisons for trumped-up charges ”.

Mehdiyev told reporters that he does not deny the fact that some journalists in Azerbaijan are imprisoned, but noted that their journalistic work was not a crime.

“Let's not confuse freedom of speech with exemption from responsibility,” he said. “These are two different things. I am convinced that there are no people in our prisons convicted for their work, their profession or political views.”

“You know, hundreds of people are serving their sentences in prison. Anyone can be found: engineers, journalists, mechanics,” Mekhtiyev added.

He also offered to share with journalists links to opposition sites and sites of independent online news editions that operate in the country and operate without censorship. Local Azerbaijani radio stations, however, do not have the right to re-broadcast the work of RFE / RL (Radio Liberty).

On April 17, Azerbaijani journalist Eynulla Fatullayev became a laureate of the prestigious UNESCO International Press Freedom Award. In 2007, Fatullaev was sentenced to imprisonment on charges of libel and terrorism, and later for drug-related crimes. He was released last year.

Media rights organizations denounced his arrest and accused authorities of harassing a journalist who was an editor in two newspapers critical of the government.
Courtney BROOKS,
("Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty", USA)

And what is this garbage here? just to crap the discussion?

[Hairy Siberian]

I’ve been on this site for more than a year, I just registered recently.

[Ataturk]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

I’ve been on this site for more than a year, I just registered recently.

If you find a contradiction to my posts and my Armenian links, which I have posted, then please, we are conducting a discussion.

I am ready to post the archive of Azerbaijan, but I ask you to not show Wikipedia here. I need facts, documents, or something proving the correctness of your words. If you post it, we will sort it out, and if you start to flood the topic again, then the conversation with you will be over. I immediately realized that you are Armenian.

Quote: Hairy Siberian

and incite ethnic hatred in a foreign country, where many Armenians and Azerbaijanis

in Turkey and in the USA and France, there are also many Armenians and Azerbaijanis, but this does not stop you from pushing the so-called so-called parliament into all parliaments. Armenian genocide, why are you now scurrying when I post documents contradicting this genocide?

Topics will be created where everyone will find out the truth, I am ready to conduct a dialogue, if you have the opportunity to provide me with an Armenian archive on the Armenian Genocide, then I will first acknowledge it. So it is about Sumgait.

Once again I repeat, we communicate facts and without insults, otherwise the conversation will be closed with this user.

I’m not going to poison the nations here. I talk about events, providing facts, if you don't like it, just don't read it. What is the problem? If this is really not interesting to you, then the information may be useful to others.

[Hairy Siberian]

Thank you for your understanding about the insults. I don’t have any archives - this is a site for communication. I have never been to Armenia, Karabakh, Azerbaijan. My ancestors were resettled from the village of Shusha (Karabakh) to Uzbekistan.
Regarding the Armenian Genocide - it was a tragedy that crossed out the entire history of my people! This is a very painful topic for the Armenians. Why do you in every way associating yourself with these events (Turks) require us to understand in your misfortune, which is grief for us too. all the victims in this chaos is impossible.

[Kamilla]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

from the village of Shusha (Karabakh)

Shusha is a city ..... the ancient Azerbaijani city ... Shushinets means a countryman ... my ancestors are also from there ... then you should be well aware of the history of Karabakh, it is quite possible you do not know, but your ancestors are Albanians. ..armenized after ... among the indigenous Karabakh people, I’m not talking about the resettled after, all Albanian blood flows ...

[AAA3337]

In Azerbaijan, “Media is free, so World Press Freedom Day is not needed”
The traditional UN press conference took on a somewhat comical tone when journalists began asking the Azerbaijani ambassador for censorship in his country, and it turned out that he did not know that the world was celebrating Press Freedom Day that day.

Aghshin Mehdiyev, ambassador and current chairman of the Security Council, quickly recovered, saying that in Azerbaijan there is no need to celebrate Press Freedom Day on May 3, since nothing restricts the work of the media in the country.

At a briefing during which Mehdiyev spoke about the plans of the Security Council for a month, one journalist asked him if Azerbaijan marks World Press Freedom Day.

There was a pause for a while, after which Deputy Permanent Representative Tofig Musaev intervened: "We do not have a public holiday on this occasion, but, if I am not mistaken, there is an international day of freedom of expression ..."

“It’s just today,” several journalists noted at the same time.

Musaev hesitated and then said: "Oh, this is today, by the way. Sorry."

Here Mehdiyev joined: "I congratulate you all! Well, since we have a free press, we do not need to appoint a specific day," after which he laughed heartily.

On May 2, the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) named Azerbaijan a country close to the top ten countries with the most severe censorship.

The committee's report says that Azerbaijan received this status due to the fact that “there are no foreign or independent media outlets in the country, and the few journalists who work for independent newspapers or online publications are subject to constant threats and intimidation, including being sent to prisons for trumped-up charges ”.

Mehdiyev told reporters that he does not deny the fact that some journalists in Azerbaijan are imprisoned, but noted that their journalistic work was not a crime.

“Let's not confuse freedom of speech with exemption from responsibility,” he said. “These are two different things. I am convinced that there are no people in our prisons convicted for their work, their profession or political views.”

“You know, hundreds of people are serving their sentences in prison. Anyone can be found: engineers, journalists, mechanics,” Mekhtiyev added.

He also offered to share with journalists links to opposition sites and sites of independent online news editions that operate in the country and operate without censorship. Local Azerbaijani radio stations, however, do not have the right to re-broadcast the work of RFE / RL (Radio Liberty).

On April 17, Azerbaijani journalist Eynulla Fatullayev became a laureate of the prestigious UNESCO International Press Freedom Award. In 2007, Fatullaev was sentenced to imprisonment on charges of libel and terrorism, and later for drug-related crimes. He was released last year.

Media rights organizations denounced his arrest and accused authorities of harassing a journalist who was an editor in two newspapers critical of the government.
Courtney BROOKS,
("Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty", USA)

[Hairy Siberian]

The Armenians living in the USA, France, Argentina, Lebanon are the descendants of the people who were subjected to genocide and not for you and not for me, to tell them how to demand justice!

[Ataturk]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

Regarding the Armenian Genocide, it was a tragedy that crossed out the entire history of my people!

And I have such information that there was no genocide. I will say more, more Turks suffered. In short

1. The fact that both peoples, Turks and Armenians for centuries got along well with each other, and then suddenly the Turks, for no reason, allegedly “went wild” and began to slaughter all Armenians in a row? Rave!

2. Numerous historical evidence suggests that in the Ottoman Empire, people of different faiths were treated with sufficient tolerance, which stemmed from Turkish philosophy based on compassion and respect for universal values ​​created by great thinkers such as Yunus Imre and Jalaleddin Rumi. The Ottoman Empire treated all 72 different peoples who inhabited it the same way, and welcomed strangers with the words: “welcome, no matter who you are or what you believe in”.

3. In the Ottoman Empire, for many years, the Armenian community grew and flourished thanks to the freedom granted to them by the Turkish sultans. The Armenians made a significant contribution to the Turkish-Ottoman culture, lifestyle and the system of government. They enjoyed the special confidence of the sultans, and they were even nicknamed the "faithful community." Ottoman Armenians were wealthy bankers, merchants, and industrialists, some of whom even held high positions in government. So, in the 29th century, 1826 Armenians were awarded the highest state title of Pasha. There were twenty-two Armenian ministers in the empire, including the Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Minister of Finance and Trade. Thirty-three Armenians were elected to the parliament, formed in XNUMX, seven Armenians were ambassadors, eleven were consuls.

4. Thus, all talk of ill-treatment of non-Muslims, and in particular with Armenians, is completely groundless and is not supported by real historical facts. As the English historian Philip Marshall Brown wrote, who can hardly be suspected of bias and pro-Turkish sympathies: “Despite their great victories, the Turks generously provided all the peoples of the conquered countries the right to self-government in their own laws and traditions.” And the well-known philosopher Voltaire, among other things, pointed out: "The Turks taught Christians moderation in the world and meekness in victory." It is very curious that when Napoleon Bonaparte set out to raise a revolt among the Armenians in Palestine and Syria to support his invasion in 1798-1799, the then French ambassador to Istanbul, Sebastiani answered him: “Armenians are so happy with their life here that it is simply impossible” .

5. The Russian-Turkish war (1877 - 1878) aroused the dreams of Armenians about independence. In 1880, several Armenian revolutionary groups formed in Eastern Anatolia.

6. Armenian historian K.S. Papazyan wrote about the Dashnak society: “The goal of Dashnak is to achieve political and economic freedom of Turkish Armenia through rebellion: terrorism was first adopted by the Dashnak Committee of the Caucasus as a method of achieving its goals.” And one of the Dashnak founders and ideologists admitted: “The truth is that the Dashnak Committee party was controlled by the oligarchy, for which the private interests of the party were more important than the interests of the people and the nation.

7. The Armenian authors do not hide the fact that the purpose of these societies was to foment revolution, and their method was terror against the Ottoman Empire. It is the Armenian revolutionaries that should be considered one of the founders (along with the Russian Narodnaya Volya) of modern terrorism. In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. “Khunchak” and “Dashnak” carried out many terrorist attacks in the Ottoman Empire, several rebellions and riots, an attempt to assassinate the Sultan Abdul-Hamid XI. All these frankly terrorist acts were issued by the Armenian revolutionary societies in Europe as the murders of “peaceful Armenians” by the Turks, because of which they led to a strong explosion of emotions among the Christian peoples who rose to defend the “innocent victims of Muslim cruelty”.

8. Nevertheless, there were many honest Western diplomats who told the truth about what was happening: they directly wrote that the Armenian provocateurs carried out uprisings, killings and massacres to ensure European intervention on their side. Thus, the British ambassador in Istanbul, Curry, reported to London: “The aim of the Armenian revolutionaries is to instigate unrest so that the Ottomans respond to violence, and thereby make the great powers intervene.”
The British consul in Erzurum Graves was of a similar opinion: “The purpose of the revolutionary committees is to arouse general discontent and force the Turkish government to respond with violence, thereby attracting the attention of foreign powers to the imaginary suffering of the Armenian people, and force them to correct the situation.” Answering the question of the New York Herald correspondent: “Would these clashes have happened if the Armenian revolutionaries had not arrived in the country from abroad?”, The same Graves answered sincerely: “Of course not. I doubt that at least one Armenian would be killed. ”
The Russian consul general, General Mayevsky honestly wrote in 1912: "The Dashnak revolutionary societies seek to create a situation in which Muslims and Armenians attack each other, thereby paving the way for Russian intervention."

[Ataturk]

9. Given the 2 brutal acts of Armenians towards Azerbaijanis in the 18th and Khojaly, I believe that a nation that has suffered, supposedly in its own skin knows what genocide is for, it will not work for others, and if it does, it will become like that the beast, then what genocide are we talking about?

10. According to most historians, “the cause of the Armenian riots was not poverty, oppression or the desire for reform, they were simply the result of the joint efforts of the Armenian Revolutionary Committees and the Armenian Church, working together with the Western powers and Russia, to pave the way for the destruction of the Ottoman Empire "

11. One of the instructions of the Armenian nationalists said: “We should use all possible means to assist the Entente states, to give up all efforts in the struggle for victory in Armenia, Cilicia, the Caucasus and Azerbaijan as an ally of the Entente countries and, in particular, Of Russia. ”
Even the Armenian representative in the Ottoman parliament from the vilayet Van Papazyan turned into a partisan leader who opposed his country. He published an appeal in which there were such words: “The units of Armenian volunteers in the Caucasus should prepare for battles. They should become advanced units of the Russian army in order to help Russians capture key positions in the areas where Armenians live and advance to Anatolia to join the Armenian units already created there. ”
The Armenians in large numbers deserted from the Ottoman army and switched to the Russians. How could this step be considered otherwise than betrayal? Many of the Armenians also created gang units using weapons and ammunition, which they collected and hid for years in Armenian churches and schools. They raided and plundered the Ottoman arms and food depots. A few months after the outbreak of the war, Armenian partisan detachments began to carry out barbaric attacks on Turkish cities, towns and villages in the east of the country, ruthlessly destroying civilians. At the same time, they sabotaged the military operations of the Ottoman army, destroying roads and bridges, attacking caravans with goods. The atrocities of the Armenian volunteers who joined the Russian army were so astounding by their cruelty that the Russian command was forced to withdraw them from the military and transfer to the rearguard. The memories of many Russian officers of that time are full of descriptions of the heinous crimes committed by the Armenians. It was difficult for the Russians to believe that “inhumanity can be truly unlimited.” This was the true reason for the civil confrontation of the Turks against the Armenians.

12. It must be said that the atrocities of Armenians affected not only Turks and other Muslims. Armenian partisans spared neither the Greeks nor the Jews. Thousands of Greeks were killed by them in Trabzon and its environs, and in the Hakkari region they surrounded and exterminated all the Jews who fell into their power. The main purpose of these atrocities was to save only Armenians in the territories on which the creation of the new Armenian state was planned. All other residents were either ruthlessly exterminated or forced to flee. As one Russian officer noted, “there is nothing more stupid than waiting for mercy from the Armenians".
Former parliamentary representative from Erzurum, Karekin Pastirmasyan, who took on a new revolutionary name, Armen Karo, led the first Armenian forces to cross the Ottoman border with Russian troops. Another former Ottoman parliamentarian, Namparsum Boyasian, nicknamed Murad, led the partisans who destroyed the Turkish peasants behind the front line. He owns the order: “To kill all Turkish children, because they pose a danger to the Armenian nation.” Former member of the Ottoman parliament, Papazian sent Armenian partisan forces to terrorize Van, Bitlis, and Mush regions.
In March 1915, Russian troops began to advance to Van. Immediately on April 11, 1915, the armed Armenians of Van raised an uprising, destroying all the Turks in the surrounding territories, in order to ensure a quick and easy capture of the city by the Russians. It is not surprising, therefore, that Tsar Nicholas II sent a telegram to the Armenian Revolutionary Committee of Van on April 12, 1915, in which he "thanked them for the service of Russia."

So what kind of genocide are you talking about?

13. Facts indicate that the Ottoman government, despite the great danger threatening the empire, issued the following decree:
"When the Armenians living in the above cities and villages, and who must be deported, move to their new places of residence, they need to provide all kinds of amenities along the way, protection of life and property; upon arrival, their food must be paid from the allocation for refugees until they are finally settled in their new homes. They should be allocated land and property in accordance with their previous financial situation and current needs; for those who need additional help, the state must build houses, provide farmers and artisans with seeds, tools and equipment. ”
It was further emphasized: “This decree must be executed in such a way as to avoid mass slaughter of both Turks and Armenians.

14. By the way, the current Prime Minister of Turkey Recep Teyub Erdogan suggested that the President of Armenia create a joint Turkish-Armenian commission to study all these documents and facts, which Armenia refused. Of course, it’s easier to feed the whole world with myths about the so-called “Armenian genocide”.

15. Armenians from southern Anatolia were deported mainly to Syria and Palestine, and those who arrived from the north - to Iraq. In total, about 700 thousand people were deported. Naturally, among them there were numerous losses as a result of both the ongoing military operations and banditry in a country engulfed in the flames of battle. In addition, it should be borne in mind that the deportation and resettlement of Armenians occurred in conditions when the Ottoman Empire suffered from an acute shortage of fuel, food, medicine and other resources, as well as from mass epidemics of the plague and other diseases.

IF YOU ARE ABLE TO REFUT ALL 15 ITEMS, I WILL REVIEW MY POINT OF VIEW ON THESE EVENTS.

[nemesis 13]

honey agarics 25
you again for the old littering courses OMARRRRR

[AAA3337]

In Azerbaijan, “Media is free, so World Press Freedom Day is not needed”
The traditional UN press conference took on a somewhat comical tone when journalists began asking the Azerbaijani ambassador for censorship in his country, and it turned out that he did not know that the world was celebrating Press Freedom Day that day.

Aghshin Mehdiyev, ambassador and current chairman of the Security Council, quickly recovered, saying that in Azerbaijan there is no need to celebrate Press Freedom Day on May 3, since nothing restricts the work of the media in the country.

At a briefing during which Mehdiyev spoke about the plans of the Security Council for a month, one journalist asked him if Azerbaijan marks World Press Freedom Day.

There was a pause for a while, after which Deputy Permanent Representative Tofig Musaev intervened: "We do not have a public holiday on this occasion, but, if I am not mistaken, there is an international day of freedom of expression ..."

“It’s just today,” several journalists noted at the same time.

Musaev hesitated and then said: "Oh, this is today, by the way. Sorry."

Here Mehdiyev joined: "I congratulate you all! Well, since we have a free press, we do not need to appoint a specific day," after which he laughed heartily.

On May 2, the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) named Azerbaijan a country close to the top ten countries with the most severe censorship.

The committee's report says that Azerbaijan received this status due to the fact that “there are no foreign or independent media outlets in the country, and the few journalists who work for independent newspapers or online publications are subject to constant threats and intimidation, including being sent to prisons for trumped-up charges ”.

Mehdiyev told reporters that he does not deny the fact that some journalists in Azerbaijan are imprisoned, but noted that their journalistic work was not a crime.

“Let's not confuse freedom of speech with exemption from responsibility,” he said. “These are two different things. I am convinced that there are no people in our prisons convicted for their work, their profession or political views.”

“You know, hundreds of people are serving their sentences in prison. Anyone can be found: engineers, journalists, mechanics,” Mekhtiyev added.

He also offered to share with journalists links to opposition sites and sites of independent online news editions that operate in the country and operate without censorship. Local Azerbaijani radio stations, however, do not have the right to re-broadcast the work of RFE / RL (Radio Liberty).

On April 17, Azerbaijani journalist Eynulla Fatullayev became a laureate of the prestigious UNESCO International Press Freedom Award. In 2007, Fatullaev was sentenced to imprisonment on charges of libel and terrorism, and later for drug-related crimes. He was released last year.

Media rights organizations denounced his arrest and accused authorities of harassing a journalist who was an editor in two newspapers critical of the government.
Courtney BROOKS,
("Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty", USA)

[nemesis 13]

Quote: Ataturk

And I have such information that there was no genocide. I will say more, more Turks suffered.

working in vain to zombie the lidy turkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[Hairy Siberian]

Thank you, of course, for the work. But 15 points are too much for me and too little for the whole people who disappeared from their land on which he lived from time immemorial, just because he was not grateful to his enslavers. Thank you from the Greeks too. You can find thousands of facts you think. But in fact, there is only one FACT, the iron one - the autochromic population of the Armenian Highlands (Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians) disappeared and was replaced by an alien, alien racial, religious, nomadic people.

[Ataturk]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

But 15 points is too little for the whole people who disappeared from their land

OK. I will give historical facts.

Quote: Hairy Siberian

You can find thousands of facts you think. But in fact, there is only one FACT, the iron one - the autochromic population of the Armenian Highlands (Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians) disappeared and was replaced by an alien, alien racial, religious, nomadic people.

This does not happen. You see, when a person is accused, he can be saved in court, only facts.

You do not give your archives for consideration. When your people are accused of the fact that there was no genocide, you all say the same thing, there was everything.

Not the right approach. That's why many do not believe it.

[Sepuh]

omar privet nu kak dela v anb

[lotus04]

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