Let's help General Vatutin win the last battle!

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In any situation, such a moment may come. By the saying: either the chest in the crosses, or the head in the bushes. But in general, this can not continue.



You can talk a lot about the degradation and miscalculation of the population of Ukraine, but this, above all, is the business of the Ukrainians themselves. That is their right, and since they decided that grunting is normal, it’s not for us to judge.

There are still many people who are trying to convey to the Russian audience the idea that not everything is so bad in Ukraine. I respect their attempts, but no more. In fact, everything is bad, and there will be no better. Late.

Those puppies who have been fed with many writers today have grown up. Square Shchenya not only did not vmerlo, but also vymahalo in quite a decent dog. And, since the dog turned out to be quite patriotic, it barks at everyone who doesn't jump.

But, again, this is the business of the Ukrainians. We have a little better, thank God. I don’t dare say what will happen next, but I’m definitely not going to beat Hitler or Bandera. Unlike these ... at the edge of the frozen.

Actually, they will bark at home. Or grunt. We certainly do not turn up, because as a matter of survival. Too few of them, Square and maydanutyh head.

But crap, crap and will crap. Because all, dear Russians, the process is underway, and no one is going to stop it. There is no need.

Yes, in the information sphere, some authors will still frighten someone with a close haplyk Ukraine. I personally don’t understand whom, because they don’t read them in Ukraine, and in Ukraine too. So who should be scared - I do not understand.

But the point is not fright. The bottom line is that we 25 years lost the battle for Ukrainian brains and finally lost it. It is a fact. From 0 to 30 years - the field of experimentation, on which ears of nationalism. Ukrainian, of course. And since the manuals are still district committee, then, accordingly, poverty, multiplied by patriotism (we are poor, but proud) is bearing fruit.

Crack, Muscovites, do not dug.

We look. Monument, doused with paint. Painted with words. This is for whom? For the Ukrainians?

I beg of you, that's where everyone cares. A tiny percentage of freaks applauds. A larger percentage of normal people (I’ll say right away, a pretty large one) quietly cursing, but no more. Because with Natsik near the police is standing shoulder to shoulder.

The case of fascism and state structures is the modern Ukrainian government. We arrived.

The rest of the mass is simply not up to it. As we all were not so before in 90. We have missed our generations, and the Ukrainians are doing the same thing. The only difference is that our headless generations are growing up, and they have a yellow-light nationalism.

And what, sorry, our zapatriotizirovat?

No, really, and how? Here, in addition to vague launches of missiles, do not understand where and destruction, do not understand whom? Well, well, “the fight against world terrorism” in the face of some kind of association ... Or, as they say in the blogosphere today, “the war of“ Gazprom ”for the pipe to Europe”.

Maybe we should fight for our past? For the memory, for example ... For the monuments ...

I did not mention Gazprom in vain. Yes, Miller and the company have a lot of expenses, after all the war is being waged in Syria, the money for it flies away - mother, do not grieve. But, nevertheless, and in Russia gets. The villages (sucks, yes) are gasified, sports complexes are being built in the district centers. This here is without notions, that is, that is.

Still, the “Zenith” of the tame monkeys would cease to buy, they would have managed by domestic boars - there would be a charm in general.

By the way, instead of the next acquisition, “Zenith” (after all, it still does not benefit), offer Klitschko MONEY !!! Or more, GAS !!!

The fact that a normal Ukrainian Svidomo will sell everything that is for hard currency, I think, that’s clear to everyone. And if so? Monument?

There is a certain sacred meaning in the initiative. Remove thorn / monument out of sight. And transport to Russia. And so where to put it ... Two areas will fight for the right to take exactly. Voronezh and Belgorod. Countryman, after all, the liberator.

It is, of course, far from the most intelligent thing - to remove monuments from lands richly watered with Russian blood. But I also see no point in leaving them to reproach in Ukraine, Poland, Bulgaria. Humiliation in the form of paint on a monument can be fought today or with drastic sanctions, in the style of Israel (following the example of the Jews: something has flown to the Israeli land - get it and sign it, everything), this is if the country is strong or as I suggest. With money.

It is clear that today our Ministry of Foreign Affairs will not listen to anyone, and all these protests can not be presented. I don’t see any sense to amuse a pack of defective ones, to be honest.

Actually, there is nothing like that here. We remove the monument to the place where only flowers shine for it, but not obscene inscriptions and paint, ukry will be found, of course, where else energy will be released, but at least one will be done with lawlessness.

By the way, in fact it is only the population of Kiev and three or four cities in Ukraine, no more. In many localities, they wanted to spit on this decommunization. And the monuments there are not only standing, so they are also looked after.

Because memory. Own. And Kiev is the capital. They came, they came ...

To be honest, the plan is not something that has not been formed in the head, but rather, glimpses of understanding. Understanding what needs to be done.

Maybe someone else will advise something clever, except to change the monument to Vatutin for gas?

Anyway, something needs to be done. I personally have no hope of recovery of Ukrainian society. Yes, and it must be very very optimistic to believe in this.



We must help win this last and decisive battle. Here the question is not just the survival of a specific monument to a specific person, but a question of the prestige of the country and the education of these ... young people. On specific examples.
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  1. +7
    April 17 2018 06: 02
    Money is right to offer. That's just ----- Horrible doubts about the mind of freaks. They can act and
    just from anger, if only to spite the Russian Federation.
    1. +5
      April 17 2018 08: 04
      Through the company laying you can redeem it. Let's say the Chinese are buying a monument. And in the end, deliver it to Rostov. When the power in Ukraine is replaced (if this still happens), let it be carried in your arms until the pedestal in Kiev
    2. +1
      April 17 2018 09: 26
      Quote: Reptiloid
      Money is right to offer. That's just ----- Horrible doubts about the mind of freaks. They can act and
      just from anger, if only to spite the Russian Federation.

      the best way to educate is to win the economic war .. I guess. And the anger will pass
    3. 0
      April 17 2018 10: 05
      Remove the eyesore / monument from sight. And transport to Russia. And where to put it
      A very good idea. You do not need to give it to Russia, we will find where to attach a monument to the hero.
      Quote: Reptiloid
      Money is right to offer. That's just ----- Horrible doubts about the mind of freaks. They can act and
      just from anger, if only to spite the Russian Federation.

      There is no money, why buy what they do not need. It will be enough to pick up the monuments at own expense.
      1. +4
        April 17 2018 14: 34
        The author’s idea is understandable, but it is too emotional and does not decide the fate of other monuments, stelae and gravestones of the heroes of the last war, which are now declared invaders and aggressors in Ukraine. Now we agree to the redemption of the monuments, and tomorrow we will be offered to buy the remains of dead soldiers from fraternal and military cemeteries by the fate of those who were buried in what is now Ukraine. The author’s proposal is counterproductive and dangerous, although it can be understood purely humanly. But the author seems to be too forgetful and does not remember how, under EBN, we sold gas to Ukraine practically at cost, or out of stupidity, or based on some kind of EBN that was unknown to the population of the country but rational or humanistic, and as a result we got what Russia in Ukraine began to be perceived as a cash cow and no more.

        I’m more interested in this phrase of the Author - "... The bottom line is that we lost the battle for Ukrainian brains for 25 years and finally lost it. This is a fact. From 0 to 30 years old is a field of experiments on which nationalism is heading. Ukrainian, understandable And since the manuals are still district committees, then, accordingly, poverty multiplied by patriotism (we are poor, but proud) is bearing fruit ... "The phrase is clogged and frayed to holes, so many pronouncing it do not even think about that it is impossible to lose a battle in which they did not participate. Russia, however, has not fought for the minds of compatriots and former citizens of the USSR since the beginning of the 90s, so blaming it for something that was not just stupid. You can start this process now, but you need to do it competently and wisely, first of all developing your country, and not feeding the tongue-tied and narrow-minded city governors of neighboring countries.
  2. +8
    April 17 2018 06: 58
    It’s understandable that they will sell their mother to Svidomo for pennies, but in this case they can also follow the principle - here is what team will come from the well-known regional committee. And I agree: taking away your monuments is the last thing, a sign of powerlessness. And about gas in exchange for some Wishlist ... There is a cynical demotivator, but somehow it makes us think more and more:

    No matter how it looked, but the boredom really tired.
  3. +10
    April 17 2018 07: 54
    You can’t solve everything with money and it’s always impossible to pay off. In the end, one must use power, and not repeat the mantra "Ukrainians-fraternal people." The people are of course fraternal, but pig-breeding should be driven into the framework. And in the native Fatherland, more and more kings are monuments and generals in the skin, and this is the same Bandera-side view, which is called. In Crimea, they call for the demolition of Soviet monuments and the installation of monuments only to kings. Collaborants are erected monuments as in the Baltic states - this is horror. And all under the sauce of "reconciliation of white and red." There should be no reconciliation with saboteurs, world-eaters, collaborators.
    1. DPN
      +1
      April 19 2018 19: 17
      And in their native Fatherland, white also won, and this is why monuments to Kolchak and the Finn memorial plaque appeared which in 1939 fought with the Red Army and at the same time fucked up the country.
      As for GROZNY, so he was collecting the country he should not be offended.
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  5. +3
    April 17 2018 09: 22
    Throw yourself around the world at a monument and transport it to Russia. You can install it at home or in Moscow.
  6. +2
    April 17 2018 09: 24
    It seems to me that a much more budgetary option seems right: Rent a piece of land on which there is a monument, and a local security company that guards the monument for a lot of money.
    1. 0
      April 17 2018 09: 46
      Redemption of a piece of land on which the monument is unlikely to be sold
      Although, as they say - everything is decided by the price of the issue
  7. +2
    April 17 2018 09: 28
    You can talk a lot about the degradation and miscalculation of the population of Ukraine, but this, above all, is the business of the Ukrainians themselves. That is their right, and since they decided that grunting is normal, it’s not for us to judge.


    You can talk a lot about the degradation and ossification of your housemates, they fire, flood you, beat your relatives, but this is primarily the business of the neighbors themselves. This is their right, and since they decided that it is normal to grunt, it is not for us to judge.

    Is the analogy clear?

    By the way, instead of the next acquisition, “Zenith” (after all, it still does not benefit), offer Klitschko MONEY !!! Or more, GAS !!!


    Money was already being given both under and before Yanukovych. What ended up recalling?
  8. +4
    April 17 2018 10: 18
    And how much they minused me for such comments, they are not our brothers brothers .. and I'm sorry Donbass Ukrainians are not brothers, Donbass does not want to Russia, wants help from us, wants to help them gain independence, wants different humanitarian aid, no more ... And then, Russia go to one side, we ourselves, but help restore the economy ... not, such bros have sucked in, the Kazakhs have already thrown us to the UN, but CSTO ... But Papa’s waving his ass to the west .. The truth is in Mother Russia’s two allies !!!! Sorry if I offended anyone, there are different people everywhere, and we have a lot of five-columned white-bellows !!!!
    1. +4
      April 17 2018 10: 31
      "... Donbass does not want to go to Russia ..."
      Where does this information come from? From Kiev?
      1. 0
        April 18 2018 03: 06
        From the situation, open your eyes!
    2. +6
      April 17 2018 12: 22
      Have you been here in the Donbass at all? Here, people are just waiting for Russia to pick us up.
      1. 0
        April 18 2018 03: 09
        Take your whole essence, help, give, take it, do it .... So come yourself, Crimea won ... wanted and almost completely .. therefore came! And the flags there were not some Crimean, but Russian. .. And you? A simple question, what are you fighting for ... wink ? For independence? So fight ...
  9. +1
    April 17 2018 10: 32
    Well, gentlemen, the authors of VO, well, you are like small children. Just look into the eyes of objective (as much as possible) reality, just stop ignoring the facts! Well, what is the propaganda of Ukraine over the past 25 years ?? Ukrainianization (indigenization in the dock) has been going on since 1921, this is an open state program !! The mass of documents, data. Yes, it was interrupted briefly before the Second World War, but under Khrushchev / Brezhnev they renewed it with renewed vigor! 70 years of state efforts to create a new national community. And yet they did the job! A referendum on the independence of Ukraine to recall ?? Its results throughout the Ukrainian SSR, only Crimea and Sevastopol stood out. And the rest "for" throats tore and threw ballots ...
    Of course, an absolutely useless activity was to “economically tie” Ukraine to the Russian Federation. But this is inside the worldview of an already outgoing generation of politicians - they mechanically mix economics, geopolitics and national construction, and at the end they get "Brotherhood" - a slogan surprising in absurdism !! Of course, under the slogan there is a wide river of money that safely settles in the pockets of the “best representatives” of these “brothers”, after which they tell the rest of the population how Russia oppressed / oppresses them, and therefore, “Rabinovich” is a billionaire, and “Gritsko” is a zarobitan, and his wife on the track. That's all, they, "swear Muscovites." Nothing new ...
    By the way, the hope that “the refrigerator will defeat the TV” is as vain as the attempt to negotiate with the “fraternal people”.
    According to the article - not monuments should be taken out, but people !!! Those 3-4 million people who remained Russian in the sea of ​​Ukrainian Nazism. ALL! Mission over, game over! The rest should be left in the world of Mriy and the “agrarian superpower”, with a break in diplomatic relations, demarcation and strengthening the border. And even if they join NATO, at least Honduras. In modern clashes, the distance and strategic depth are not at all what during the Second World War. Let's just say that 10 thousand operational-tactical special ammunition is an absolutely reliable shield, compared to the +500 km distance to Moscow from the NATO country, but with an obligation to feed and please 30 million violent Natsiks and Hataskryniks. There is not enough money for warheads and feeding freeloaders at the same time. I personally choose warheads in our arsenals. What do you choose?
  10. +1
    April 17 2018 11: 05
    "The bottom line is that for 25 years we lost the battle for Ukrainian brains and finally lost it"
    It seems to me, Roman, that there was no battle. We did not fight for our brains, introducing Soros textbooks into the school curriculum. Such a sad fact.
  11. +3
    April 17 2018 11: 15
    The bunch works.
    -Ukrainian nationalists (who are complementary to the SBU and other structures) are making acts aimed at a loud reaction in the Russian Federation
    -Reaction in the Russian Federation (it doesn’t matter which kind of state, although that sluggish, concern is gone, impotism or something) is more public)
    these "Ukrainians" radishes are not their brothers to us, visas to them are caliber, etc., if desired, and an opportunity ..
    - The reaction of ordinary Ukrainians to such Russians and vice versa
    -Profit.
    The work is done.
    At the moment, C14 (this is the SBU office) has demonstrated a model of similar work with the Vatutin monument. Read the result in the comments.
    30 people on complementary foods, a resonance, a whole article on VO.
    The loss of 1 person was delayed (they will let him go as always - he is also a "nationalist") the organization itself will not be touched, although Boyko sent a request to Avakov.
    It seems to me that Ukrainians are the most Russian of the Slavs. Whereas the Russians forgot a wonderful ordinary fist fight after a feast. But Ukrainians regularly check the strength of their hands, cheekbones and other things.
    We look at the final.

    Pay attention to the Dialog Police. It works while everything is peaceful. Then you need to create a Baton Police or something ...
    While our authorities are profitable nationalists, they feed them. Protect and give work. They will cease to be needed, they will be fired.
    It remains only to press informationally on this power, since it is most afraid of the reaction of the EU and the USA (its curators). Therefore, the opposition acts in this vein.
    I will quote a thought from the country of yua
    They did, ashamed of us all.
  12. 0
    April 17 2018 11: 40
    The offer is good. Give the nickname pennies, on receipt, of course, a monument to transport to Russia. And then publish the receipt in the world media. Nice?
  13. +4
    April 17 2018 11: 47
    We must talk about the reburial of the ashes of Vatutin! Vatutin’s grave in Kiev was in the hands of the last of those who killed the general and are constantly desecrated!
    This should worry us, not the monument itself. Ever since the time of Yushchenko, this monument is now mutilated, then threatened to demolish. The point here is not at all the monument. On the whole monument, by and large, spitting is not a masterpiece, and not the best master.

    In the spring of 2015, the daughter of General Vatutin, Elena, appealed to the Russian authorities to organize the reburial of the ashes of her father at the Federal Military Memorial Cemetery in Mytishchi.
    “The Vatutin memorial is located in Mytishchi. And there we want to bury the ashes holy for us,” TASS quoted Elena Vatutina as saying.
    The fact is that when dad died, Khrushchev buried him. It was his desire to bury there - despite the fact that we were categorically against it, since we did not live in Kiev, but we lived in Moscow, and my mother wanted to be buried somewhere in Moscow. But Khrushchev simply did not listen to anyone. In general, then they made such a decision - on April 17, 1944, he buried his father in this park in Kiev, and then on January 25, 1948, a monument was erected next to it, at the entrance to the Mariinsky Park ...
    General Vatutin now has two grandchildren, five great-grandchildren and a great-great-grandson. And they all live in Moscow or here in the Czech Republic. I need to think about the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of my father, how they will go to his grave. Neither I, nor my children, nor my grandchildren and great-grandchildren will travel to Kiev. Moreover, in Ukraine the situation is getting worse every year ...
    I’m not at all interested in the monument, I’ll tell you frankly. Because this monument is not a monument. This is a monster. This monument has nothing to do with General Vatutin. It was just that Vuchetich did, so it was agreed on him. In general, other people made monuments, but, unfortunately, they did not pass, because the sculptors were not laureates. "
    Three years have passed since this interview. Then they began to discuss in the media and on TV. But everything quickly came to naught. And silence.......
    They will agree to sell the monument in Mazepia - for very / very expensive and with very / very rudeness. But is it worth giving them the opportunity to make money on us like that ?!
    But how to make them give up the dust of Vatutin for reburial in Russia, this is the question ...
    1. +2
      April 17 2018 13: 48
      why give. Steal and business. Dress the lads in jackets of the national corps. And that’s all. In this form, in broad daylight, in Ukraine you can dig and pick up anything ....
      P / S extras use in the dark
  14. +2
    April 17 2018 14: 54
    Another sad occasion for an article about neighbors.
    An anamnesis was collected, the diagnosis is beyond doubt, but ...
    Sorry for our leadership ... the leaders of Russia are definitely not up to the transfer of monuments.
    Remember, at least the Bronze Soldier in the Baltic. How many fair indignations of ordinary citizens and what?
    A note of protest, an expression of concern, actions will not go unanswered, etc. etc. statements of the "talking head" of the Foreign Ministry Zakharova. That’s the whole potential. The Americans are still waiting for an answer for the actual seizure of consulates in the States, and they have been waiting for lawsuits in the courts ... Therefore, they are incredibly impudent.
    The leadership has other global tasks - now there are oil fields in Syria, Nord Stream-2, and Turkish Stream. Money, profit.
    And here is the monument ... not the first and, unfortunately, far from the last.
  15. 0
    April 17 2018 15: 30
    I personally have no hope of recovery in Ukrainian society

    A cancerous tumor of nationalism will gobble up Ukraine; surgical treatment is needed.
    After the action, when the radicals left the Mariinsky Park, someone laid a carnation on a paint-covered plaque.
    https://mnyug.com/1613-obyknovennyy-fashizm-kak-v
    -kieve-oskvernyali-pamyatnik-vatutinu.html
  16. +2
    April 17 2018 16: 18
    Roman, yes our compradors spat on some monuments! Moreover, they belong to the "Stalinist mythology", from which the gentlemen of Millers, etc. the undercoat moves badly. I'm not talking about Mr. Abramovich, etc.
  17. 0
    April 17 2018 23: 13
    alas ... how much dirt we have divorced, and they flow to them, and even as the brain began to rinse ....
  18. 0
    April 18 2018 14: 24
    I am surprised. In Ukraine, what else are Soviet monuments left ?.
  19. +1
    April 19 2018 16: 45
    no gas to them for the monument !!!!!
  20. +2
    April 19 2018 22: 55
    Monument to Vatutin stands on our land, but it is necessary to sweep Bandera and Vlasovites away from it, and not to redeem the monument from them.
  21. 0
    April 30 2018 21: 36
    The monument, the work of Major Vuchetich, of course, to take. They offered back in 2008.
    But about the reburial ...
    It is no coincidence that the General was buried in the territory of the church of Alexander Nevsky, the patron saint of soldiers, who, although it was destroyed in 1934: "... to be buried near the Orthodox church is the honor and desire of any person, because there is a daily prayer for the repose of the souls of the dead slaves Of God. "
    I doubt that he would approve of such assistance.