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Goodbye space? Russia may stop the supply of RD-180 in the US

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If the law on the response of the Russian Federation to the anti-Russian policy of the United States is passed, Russia will stop supplying the US with the XDUMX RD-180 engines, which are used not only for civilians but also for military satellites, said Sergei Ryabukhin, chairman of the Federation Council’s budget committee.


Goodbye space? Russia may stop the supply of RD-180 in the US


It will be a question, if such a law is adopted, to stop the supply of RD-180 engines to the USA, which are made by NPO Energia. These engines are used on their satellites not only by NASA, but also by the Pentagon, that is, with them the US is launching military satellites
- declared Ryabukhin.

In addition, Russia may stop the supply to the United States of rare earth metal titanium, which is necessary for the technological cycle of production "Boeing".

The bill submitted to the State Duma on Friday implies, inter alia, the suspension of cooperation with the United States in the field of the atomic, aircraft building and rocket-propulsion industries, RIA reports News
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 13 2018 13: 42
    +10
    Okay with the engines, but aviation, how many titanium Americans are buying from us for their planes?
    1. vorobey
      vorobey April 13 2018 13: 44
      +45
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Okay with the engines, but aviation, how many titanium Americans are buying from us for their planes?


      And I wouldn’t stop ... when we sell them we don’t have our own .. and so it will appear .. but I would buy the price in space .. So I would call the sanction price .. for titanium and engines .. anyway through someone to buy it all .. Hi Sanya ..
      1. 210ox
        210ox April 13 2018 13: 50
        +38
        Okay, let's stop. Where are the engines and titanium coming from? Do we have where to put these engines? What will happen to production and hard workers?
        Quote: vorobey
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Okay with the engines, but aviation, how many titanium Americans are buying from us for their planes?


        And I wouldn’t stop ... when we sell them we don’t have our own .. and so it will appear .. but I would buy the price in space .. So I would call the sanction price .. for titanium and engines .. anyway through someone to buy it all .. Hi Sanya ..
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 April 13 2018 13: 53
          +9
          Or maybe it is better to refuse to deliver their astronauts to the ISS?
          1. vorobey
            vorobey April 13 2018 13: 58
            +20
            Quote: SRC P-15
            Or maybe it’s better to refuse to supply their astronauts to the ISS?


            Let the people pay everything for it in gold ... and all .. or settle in rubles ... then they will be forced to either tolerate the price or buy rubles ..
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 April 13 2018 14: 00
              +9
              Quote: vorobey
              rust at birth for it all pay gold ... and all ..

              That's right, how much their astronaut weighs - let them dump so much gold for delivery to the ISS!
              1. Avis-bis
                Avis-bis April 13 2018 14: 17
                +11
                Quote: SRC P-15
                Quote: vorobey
                rust at birth for it all pay gold ... and all ..

                That's right, how much their astronaut weighs - let them dump so much gold for delivery to the ISS!

                I think that this will only make them happy.
                For 2018, it is planned to send 6 astronauts for a total amount of $ 490 million.
                And one gram of 999 gold on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation costs 2700 rubles / gram. A 90-kilogram astronaut will cost NASA 243 million rubles ~ 4 million dollars.
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 April 13 2018 18: 04
                  +5
                  We will take anaptanium. It is more expensive.
                  1. Avis-bis
                    Avis-bis April 13 2018 19: 17
                    +3
                    Quote: Svarog51
                    We will take anaptanium. It is more expensive.

                    Yes, this is a thought.
                  2. sa-ag
                    sa-ag April 14 2018 18: 19
                    +1
                    Quote: Svarog51
                    We will take anaptanium. It is more expensive.

                    Turbinius, only hardcore
              2. alexhol
                alexhol April 13 2018 14: 21
                +11
                TO EACH! laughing You read komenty here and understand: here they are the falcons of Zhirinovsky!
              3. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky April 13 2018 18: 55
                +3
                Quote: SRC P-15
                Quote: vorobey
                rust at birth for it all pay gold ... and all ..

                That's right, how much their astronaut weighs - let them dump so much gold for delivery to the ISS!

                They do not have gold, only one tungsten gilt remained. request
          2. kapitan92
            kapitan92 April 13 2018 14: 30
            +13
            Quote: SRC P-15
            Or maybe it is better to refuse to deliver their astronauts to the ISS?

            At the end of 2012, the document was approved by the American Congress. According to the document, NASA’s authority to use the services of Russia in its work on the ISS and to make appropriate payments to it expiring in June 2016, extended until December 31, 2020.
            Currently, astronauts are being delivered to the ISS using Russian Soyuz spacecraft. Sending each astronaut to the ISS aboard a Russian spacecraft costs the US treasury $ 60 million.
            We do not send, but makes money. hi
          3. Anti-Corr.
            Anti-Corr. April 13 2018 14: 42
            +6
            I don’t understand at all what is the interconnection between sanctions against Deripaska and Co. and delirium regarding the refusal to supply dviguns, titanium, the launch of astronauts and others?
            1. Baby sitter
              Baby sitter April 13 2018 15: 22
              +1
              don't you see the difference? confuse state wool with personal?
              1. Anti-Corr.
                Anti-Corr. April 13 2018 15: 40
                +3
                Quote: Baby sitter
                don't you see the difference? confuse state wool with personal?

                Explain. And tell me, what do I care about the sanctions that, for example, have imposed against you, given that your money is stolen?
                1. Baby sitter
                  Baby sitter April 13 2018 15: 53
                  +2
                  the ban on cooperation only afford the aligarchs? can anyone else hurt? hard workers on priier .. And for whom it hurts more painfully?
                  1. Anti-Corr.
                    Anti-Corr. April 13 2018 16: 46
                    +1
                    Quote: Baby sitter
                    the ban on cooperation only afford the aligarchs? can anyone else hurt? hard workers on priier .. And for whom it hurts more painfully?

                    What is the habit of answering a question with a question? The state freed Deripaska from paying taxes in the Russian Federation, while the state supported it with money in 2008, i.e. the state has some interest in this deripaska, although it is obvious to everyone that it is not effective, but the state does not seem to give a damn about hard workers.
                  2. Evgeny Goncharov
                    Evgeny Goncharov April 13 2018 19: 41
                    0
                    Did he share the profit with the hard workers? Did you ride them on a yacht? Or according to the old principle of privatization of income and nationalization of losses?
            2. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
              Vladimir Ter-Odiyants April 13 2018 19: 07
              0
              Quote: Anti-Corr.
              I don’t understand what kind of interconnection between sanctions against Deripaska and Co.

              Take a look at the current exchange rate in the economic news block. I think you will understand the connection.
          4. lis-ik
            lis-ik April 13 2018 14: 50
            +1
            Quote: SRC P-15
            Or maybe it is better to refuse to deliver their astronauts to the ISS?

            It is better to refuse delivery back. But seriously, no one will stop anything, we have nothing more to supply.
        2. Galaxy
          Galaxy April 13 2018 13: 53
          +14
          "To spite mom's frostbitten ears!" The Americans will find other options for the supply of titanium, but without engines and even more so they will live, there are ours. To take measures that hit themselves is just as stupid as blocking the "telegram". For the “telegram”, Russian youth will still express their “fi” to Vladimir Vladimirovich in the future.
          1. Berber
            Berber April 13 2018 14: 15
            +7
            Well then, let the terrorists continue to correspond safely. "telegram" - their favorite messenger.
            1. Pan_hrabio
              Pan_hrabio April 13 2018 14: 37
              +9
              Well, now that we are safe, the terrorists can’t contact each other without a Telegram, and there’s no way to get around the lock. Do you really not understand the meaninglessness of these measures in the framework of the declared goals?

              1. RelictEmpire
                RelictEmpire April 13 2018 15: 44
                +1
                No, of course ... Every terrorist is an extra-class specialist in network technologies and workarounds ...
                1. Pan_hrabio
                  Pan_hrabio April 13 2018 15: 52
                  +2
                  Everyone will get around such a lock by spending a little time in the search engine - you don’t need to be a specialist.
              2. Berber
                Berber April 16 2018 08: 42
                0
                A rolling stone gathers no moss. In your opinion, it’s not necessary to do anything.
                1. Pan_hrabio
                  Pan_hrabio April 16 2018 17: 44
                  0
                  I didn’t say that, you need to fight. But specifically, the blocking of instant messengers hits its citizens and has absolutely no effect on terrorism.
            2. Evgeny Goncharov
              Evgeny Goncharov April 13 2018 19: 42
              +1
              Do terrorists personally report to you?
          2. tracer
            tracer April 13 2018 14: 19
            +4
            How to live now without a telegram?
            1. not main
              not main April 13 2018 22: 30
              0
              Quote: tracer
              How to live now without a telegram?

              Really! Yes, just as before! Millions have not even heard of this telegram. And, what does this affect their lives? Honestly, my opinion is that all these "telegrams" do nothing good!
        3. Alex777
          Alex777 April 13 2018 14: 50
          +4
          It is already known what will happen to the RD-180 - China is buying production technology. And that’s all.
          As for titanium, then everything is more interesting. Boeing makes about 32% of the titanium parts with us. Quickly replace with the same quality and price - can not. hi
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag April 14 2018 18: 22
            0
            Quote: Alex777
            It is already known what will happen to the RD-180 - China is buying production technology. And that’s all.

            In reality, in this case, China will produce and it will have jobs in this sector, but not in the Russian Federation
        4. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 13 2018 15: 10
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          Where are the engines and titanium?

          Dim, if we develop the country, then that’s all and we will come in handy. And if, as before, vegetate on a commodity economy - then yes, you're right. hi
        5. Orionvit
          Orionvit April 13 2018 16: 43
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          Okay, stop. Where are the engines and titanium?

          You are in the face with a dirty rag, but you have worn yourself and let's continue to trade. After all, what to do, oh horror, nowhere to go. lol It would be worse if this did not happen at all, and if there is, they will adapt it somewhere. Should there be any pride in the state?
        6. weksha50
          weksha50 April 13 2018 19: 09
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          What will happen to production and hard workers?


          There was a time when NPO Energia, bending over, produced food processors with the same name ... Only the quality of these processors left much to be desired ...
          But we took this step to save specialists ... There, after all, each of them is a piece ...
          Here, the president and the government need to think about not losing the remaining cadres, loading up the Energy with orders ... In the space industry, work is not endless ...
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 April 13 2018 23: 20
            0
            There was a time when NPO Energia, bending over, produced food processors with the same name ... Only the quality of these processors left much to be desired ...

            I had such a harvester. He worked faithfully for many years. A friend had a conversion vacuum cleaner. When I tried to vacuum the carpet on the wall, it almost came off along with the dowels. It turns out that there was an electric motor at the factory for underwater equipment.
        7. igorbrsv
          igorbrsv April 14 2018 10: 31
          0
          Where to go for sure
      2. Borik
        Borik April 13 2018 13: 52
        +2
        Russia may stop supplying the RD-180 to the United States and the rare-earth metal titanium, which is necessary for the Boeing production cycle.


        Can. Well, of course it can. Would he want to fulfill his threat?
        1. Anti-Corr.
          Anti-Corr. April 13 2018 14: 50
          +3
          Quote: Borik
          Can. Well, of course it can. Would he want to fulfill his threat?

          Colleague hi , can not and will not want! The thing is that we are much more dependent on the West than they are on us this time. And the second is all this chatter for internal use. Sanctions were imposed against individuals, and not against the state, and especially the people. But the state directly connected with the oligarchy will return the arrears to the very oligarchs from the budget, i.e. at the expense of the people, weighted with false patriotic noodles, an increase in fiscal load.
          1. Baby sitter
            Baby sitter April 13 2018 15: 25
            +1
            Yes Yes! everything was gone, Putin leaked us! It’s necessary to bring down democracy!
      3. barclay
        barclay April 13 2018 13: 54
        +4
        Quote: vorobey
        but the price would be bought by space ..

        Yes, it would be more reasonable to raise the price.
        But titanium is also supplied to them from China and even once from Ukraine.
        The fact that not everything is so joyful.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey April 13 2018 13: 56
          +5
          Quote: barclay
          But titanium is also supplied to them from China and even once from Ukraine.
          The fact that not everything is so joyful.


          quality .... the Chinese can always give a better price to grab a piece.
          1. Rostislav
            Rostislav April 13 2018 14: 19
            +1
            it’s not only a matter of price, but m of supply volumes.
        2. Scoun
          Scoun April 13 2018 14: 04
          +7
          Quote: barclay
          Yes, it would be more reasonable to raise the price.

          Imha.
          It seems to me that ours simply had to introduce the Ruble sanction, that is, no bans, only everything that they get in Russia is sold for Rubles and engines and titanium, etc.
        3. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk April 13 2018 14: 12
          +4
          Quote: barclay
          Quote: vorobey
          but the price would be bought by space ..

          Yes, it would be more reasonable to raise the price.
          But titanium is also supplied to them from China and even once from Ukraine.
          The fact that not everything is so joyful.

          How tired I am of reading - Russia can ... Russia is preparing ... Everything only threatens. Or don’t write what Russia can do there and what it prepares there in return, it’s better if it does at least something.
          I, too, tend to push the price to the maximum, but not to the stupid one, by which they refuse to buy.
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov April 13 2018 16: 13
            +4
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            How tired I am of reading - Russia can ... Russia is preparing ... Everything only threatens. Or don’t write what Russia can do there and what it prepares there in return, it’s better if it does at least something.

            These are clickers writing ... But in Russia it’s not customary to talk like that to the whole world, but what to threaten .. We usually warn once, warn two.
            But these engines already do not represent a special secret, and our refusal to sell them, I think the USA will not be particularly upset. In the USA, they may also dream of sanctions
        4. Berber
          Berber April 13 2018 14: 17
          +2
          Most of our supply in the form of finished products, not blanks. We have the best processing.
      4. rocket757
        rocket757 April 13 2018 13: 55
        +4
        That's it, the price, it’s such a thing, and we sell the dear little hotitsa to the frank enemy!
        It is understandable, they will do import substitution, if necessary, they will spend a little money and do it!
        Ours of course will be in flight, it’s difficult to sell, if at all possible. but you don’t need so much yourself!
        With our "economic bloc", the prospects for the industry are sour.
        Of course, it is possible to rebuild, it is expensive and time is needed, but who will pay people during this period? This is not the USSR, where it was done and people were not abandoned to their own devices!
        In short, but FIG knows what to do then? Only on the upper, for some reason, well, hopes are very weak!
        1. barclay
          barclay April 13 2018 13: 59
          +4
          Quote: rocket757
          That's it, the price, it’s such a thing, and we sell the dear little hotitsa to the frank enemy!

          That's it. Feelings are dual.
          The news does not talk about this, but titanium is also an indispensable metal for modern military aircraft such as the Boeing F / A-18 Super Hornet. In a study of RAND Corp. It is noted that the metal structures of the F / A-18 Super Hornet (which had just bombed ISIS terrorist groups in northern Iraq) contain "21 percent titanium."
          And this is only part of the titanium that is needed by the American defense industry, because in order to build a modern combat aircraft, much more titanium is required than is contained in the final product. Military contractors call it the buy-to-fly ratio: the ratio is how much titanium must be bought versus how much is ultimately used on the plane. The titanium you need to purchase for a single F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is 30,000 pounds, or 15 tons.

          More information at http://voprosik.net/v-chem-rossiya-nezamenima-dly
          a-rynka-ssha / © QUESTION
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 13 2018 15: 16
            +5
            The question is simple and complicated!
            The main explanation is that our industry was ruined, for Schaub had nowhere to use the products of such industries as metallurgy and much more !!! Those. You do, do semi-finished products, and they will buy at a cheap price! And as soon as they rock the boat, they just stop buying! For them, of course, losses, but not critical, but for our plants, consider CATASTROPHE because there’s simply nowhere to put it, in such volumes !!!
            People on the street, ruin and other "charms" of the capitalist "paradise" !!!
            What is the prospect of "joyful" ??? Well, we can complain to VTOshka and figs what we get.
            So I want everyone who wants to cheer URA and WAVE A WAVE to recall in what state we live and how the modern world works!
            Poor education and other such charms of perestroika will hiccup for a long time, I really want it to be left forever!
      5. Vadivak
        Vadivak April 13 2018 13: 56
        +4
        Quote: vorobey
        And I would not stop.

        Medvedev: Russia's response to US sanctions "should be calculated without prejudice to the domestic economy."
        Those. alcohol, tsigaretten, agricultural products
      6. Monos
        Monos April 13 2018 13: 59
        +2
        Quote: vorobey
        And I would not stop ...

        I think we need to start by defining the goal we want to achieve. What do we want from the Americans? And then it will be decided on the methods for achieving it. Personally, I do not understand the purpose of all these gestures. Snap back?
        1. barclay
          barclay April 13 2018 14: 03
          +2
          I would say make you think about the consequences. And Americans love to live in comfort, without difficulty.
          1. MadCat
            MadCat April 13 2018 14: 18
            +1
            Quote: barclay
            I would say make you think about the consequences. And Americans love to live in comfort, without difficulty.

            All the difficulties will be in changing the supplier of titanium, an intermediary, well, the cost will increase slightly. With engines in general, a circus with horses, not only do they have a reserve, so a wiseacre Western companies will erect a monument for being able to squeeze a competitor.
          2. MIG00001
            MIG00001 April 13 2018 14: 31
            0
            You propose to scare nuclear weapons so that they sleep in bunkers
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 April 13 2018 15: 20
          +3
          Those. need a PLAN ???
          Do you have a plan Mr. FIX ???
          Who will we ask the question ???
      7. kapitan92
        kapitan92 April 13 2018 14: 24
        +10
        Quote: vorobey
        And I would not stop ...

        hi And it is right! Sanctions are always a double-edged sword and it will hit us harder, alas, these are the realities.
        Quote: vorobey
        when we sell them to them they don’t have their own .. and so it will appear .. but the price would have come up with space .. That would have been called the sanction price .. for titanium and engines.

        Back in 2009, Boeing and the Russian VSMPO-Avisma opened a joint venture, Ural Boeing Manufacturing (UBM). In July 2014, at the Farnborough Airshow, Boeing and VSMPO-Avisma extended a long-term contract for the supply of finished titanium products, including titanium rolled products, billets, plates and stampings from Russia, until 2022. And in August 2015, Boeing announced that VSMPO-Avisma became a key supplier of titanium stampings for the new 777X composite wing.
        The situation is similar with European Airbus: it is 60% dependent on Russian titanium. Say, the A380 is almost all made of Ural titanium.
        Recall: Boeing receives from Russia 35% of titanium for civilian aircraft, holds the largest engineering center in the United States outside of the United States, and is building a second titanium billet processing plant. The cost of the company's procurement programs in Russia reaches $ 27 billion.
        In response, Boeing and Airbus may stop servicing the aircraft they delivered to Russia. According to independent estimates, a year ago, Russian carriers operated 491 foreign aircraft, and at the beginning of July 2017, their number increased to 570 cars. This fleet provides more than 90% of passenger air traffic in the country. And if foreign aircraft manufacturers announce a boycott to Russia, they will thereby cut our wings. As a result, Russia will immediately lose air transport.
        Quote: vorobey
        all the same, they can buy it through someone ..

        A titanium sponge and high-quality stampings are made not only in Russia, but also in Japan, Europe, and even in China. The same Boeing will replace the supplier of titanium, plus, perhaps, it will slightly increase the prices for its machines, since it will have to adjust production plans - this will end. hi
      8. astepanov
        astepanov April 13 2018 14: 32
        +3
        1. Engines have already been purchased there for a very long time, until they dry up - they will finalize their own. They know how. But to lose revenue from the sale is not worth it. In the space industry, and so are the incomes of hard workers like blacks on plantations.
        2. "May stop delivery." Or maybe not stop it. Empty chatter.
        3. I would not trust this author at all. Since when has titanium become a rare earth metal? Writing authors would sometimes be worth a glimpse of the holy calendar. Rare earths are scandium, yttrium, lanthanum and lanthanides. Titanium to them no side.
      9. Vladimirsky
        Vladimirsky April 13 2018 15: 01
        +1
        Quote: vorobey
        when we sell them we they don’t have their own .. and so it will appear ..

        How can something that they already have in bulk appear? Well, do not tell - look at the statistics of launches - we are far behind, and given the accident rate - generally atas .... I’m talking about unmanned launches.
      10. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 13 2018 15: 37
        +2
        Quote: vorobey
        Hi Sanya ..

        Will you
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 April 13 2018 18: 13
          +1
          Friday the 13th? Sparrow is a wise bird. Will not agree. Tomorrow will be the day and there will be something to think about. wink
    2. Slovak
      Slovak April 13 2018 13: 47
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Okay with the engines, but aviation, how many titanium Americans are buying from us for their planes?

      60% of the needs
    3. DenZ
      DenZ April 13 2018 13: 48
      +1
      Here they wrote- https://topwar.ru/128253-titanovypo-amerike-sem-r
      az-otmerili-odin-raz-ne-otrezhut.html
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 13 2018 13: 50
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      how many titanium Americans are buying from us for their planes?

      . According to various estimates, the newspaper Izvestia, Russia supplies Boeing and Airbus from 40 to 60% of titanium. But restrictions on the supply of titanium abroad would adversely affect the development of the VSMPO-AVISMA goscorporation, which employs more than 20 thousand people and whose products are widely represented on the world market
    5. starogil
      starogil April 13 2018 13: 53
      0
      Not only RD-180 and titanium engines, but nuclear fuel assemblies for Kvadrat NPP?
    6. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich April 13 2018 13: 53
      +3
      And the DPRK will buy engines with pleasure, then it will be three in one, and striped without engines and we will not lose anything in money, and the DPRK’s support in rocket science will bring the West to a heart attack or choke on its own, poisonous saliva. It is also better to sell titanium already to China and India. Less attention should be paid to the opinion of the West.
      1. Topotun
        Topotun April 13 2018 13: 56
        +2
        And to pay? Again the bucks? Then you have to leave the dollar ....
        1. Lavrenti Pavlovich
          Lavrenti Pavlovich April 13 2018 14: 32
          0
          Quote: Topotun
          And to pay? Again the bucks? Then you have to leave the dollar ....

          And paying with barter will be much more profitable.
    7. Hammerlock
      Hammerlock April 13 2018 15: 17
      0
      American aircraft industry depends on the export of Russian titanium. According to various estimates, Moscow supplies Boeing and Airbus to about 40-60% of the required volume.


      https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/2
      01710260219-fzoj.htm
    8. Felix
      Felix April 13 2018 15: 18
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Okay with the engines, but aviation, how many titanium Americans are buying from us for their planes?

      Not how much titanium, how many products from it.
    9. spech
      spech April 13 2018 15: 29
      0
      In addition, Russia may stop supplying rare earth titanium to the United States.

      Since when titanium became rare earth, it takes 10th place in terms of its content in the earth's crust.
    10. Semen1972
      Semen1972 April 13 2018 15: 46
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Okay with the engines, but aviation, how many titanium Americans are buying from us for their planes?

      They will find a supplier, but Avisma will suffer greatly ... Again we bomb Voronezh ... And deputies will soon refuse from elite cars ????
      1. avt
        avt April 13 2018 18: 29
        0
        Quote: Semen1972
        but Avisma will suffer greatly ... Again we bomb Voronezh

        Well, so are Moscow and the Moscow Region, specifically Stupino. Actually, we seem to work in this titanium according to the tolling scheme. And they will get titanium and products from it, if not in the short, then medium term.
    11. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 13 2018 19: 29
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      how many titanium Americans are buying from us for their planes?

      And cast iron is generally 50% of the total annual amount. hi
  2. Dormidont
    Dormidont April 13 2018 13: 43
    +7
    Mericans will have to urgently re-preserve the wonderful rocket engines for the lunar program. If in Hollywood the props are saved
    1. vorobey
      vorobey April 13 2018 13: 52
      +5
      Quote: Dormidont
      If in Hollywood the props are saved


      Kiev film studio will help if ...
  3. _Jack_
    _Jack_ April 13 2018 13: 44
    +8
    it’s just from the series “to spite mom’s ears frostbite” if they stopped supplying them with the RD-180 a few years ago they would really have to rush about in search of the engine, and now they have their own on the way and they got our supplies, and others will have titanium to buy, a little more expensive, but we are already selling what we sold to amers, we will not share the market
    1. dnestr74
      dnestr74 April 13 2018 13: 52
      0
      Oh well, do you believe that Merikos will sell the F-35 to Iran? And we do something like that ..
      1. _Jack_
        _Jack_ April 13 2018 15: 02
        0
        so how many years have we been selling, and now, when they have their own engines on the way and ours are in reserve, what now is the point not to sell? only harm their industry
        f35 Americans will not sell to Iran and will not lose anything from this, they have so many orders for them, they don’t have time to do it, and we will proudly refuse them and we don’t have anyone else to sell the RD-180
        stupid is all
        1. stone
          stone April 13 2018 15: 51
          0
          Americans imposing sanctions are carefully studying how this will affect their companies. If it hits them, they don’t enter. And judging by the speed of writing the bill, we were not even asked industrialists. In short, they will always “bomb Voronezh”.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 13 2018 13: 54
      +2
      Yes, it’s ridiculous to go, but the ban on the supply of titanium requires that this titanium go to the needs of our industry, and our production is breathing frankly. We only lose the market and that's it
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 13 2018 14: 10
        +2
        In Russia, titanium hire is on sale - the product is not scarce, but the scarce elements are Lanthanum (La) - hybrid engines, alloys of light and other metals

        Terbium (Tb) - permanent magnets and products with magnetic properties

        Cerium (Ce) - autocatalysts, alloys of various metals

        Dysprosium (Dy) - Magnets and Hybrid Motors

        Praseodymium (Pr) - magnets

        Erbiy (Er), Neodymium (Nd) - autocatalysts, laptop hard drives, hybrid technology and fuel

        Yttrium (Y) - red, fluorescent lamps, ferroalloys

        Samaria (Sm) - magnets and magnet-containing products

        Holmium (No) - laser technology and its components, colored high-strength glass

        Europium (Eu) - infrared radiation, red color for television, computer, and other monitor screens

        Thulium (Tu) - X-ray / Laser Technology

        Lutetium (Lu) - catalysts of rocket and traditional fuel

        Ytterbium (Yb) - laser technology with accessories, metal alloys

        Gadolinium (Gd) - magnets, television and radar, navigation devices

        Cobalt samarium (Co-Sm) - the creation of strong magnets, aerospace equipment, energy-measuring instruments, finger-type and other miniature electronic devices, plasma holding devices, magnetic bearings, acoustic equipment

        Iron-boron (Fe-B) - components of electrical and electronic products

        Beryllium (Be) - neutron reflectors and moderators, in a mixture with alpha-radionuclides - ampoule neutron sources

        Tantalum (Ta), its isotopes, oskids, carbides and beryllides - superconducting elements (cryotrons, etc.), heat-resistant alloys, armored vehicles, gamma radiation absorbers / sources, electrolytic capacitors, rocket nozzles / nozzles, shock-and-swing drilling technologies

        Hafnium (Hf) - components of atomic weapons with minimal radioactive contamination, regulating the rods of nuclear reactors; hafnium metastable isomer - laser technology

        Together zirconium (Zr) and hafnium (Hf) - a new class of high-strength composites and polymers

        Lithium (Li), its oxides and isotopes - laser and X-ray equipment (including flaw detection), mixed polymers, high-strength aluminum-containing alloys, anodes of chemical current sources, semiconductors for thermal converters

        Based on Nd, Y, Sm, Er, Eu, and Fe-B, high-strength alloys with record-high magnetic properties are obtained (first of all, high magnetizing and coercive forces) to create permanent magnets of extra-large power. Single-crystal compounds of most types of REMS are used to create laser, other optically active and nonlinear elements in military and "double" optoelectronics.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets April 13 2018 14: 44
          +1
          You forgot the metals of the platinum group, which are especially necessary for the production of automotive catalysts: "To reduce harmful toxic emissions into the atmosphere during fuel combustion, the installation of such a device as an automobile catalyst is provided in the exhaust system of automobile vehicles. - Read more on FB.ru: http: // fb.ru/article/228499/katalizator-avtomobil
          nyiy --- chto-eto-takoe-avtomobilnyiy-katalizator-p
          rintsip-rabotyi-tsena-otzyivyi
    3. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich April 13 2018 13: 56
      +1
      What engines are on their way? Five more years they need at least. And now let them get to the ISS on a trampoline.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 13 2018 14: 16
        +1
        BE 4 and Raptor - already in full experience, the last one will fly next year.
        1. Lavrenti Pavlovich
          Lavrenti Pavlovich April 13 2018 14: 34
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          BE 4 and Raptor - already in full experience, the last one will fly next year.

          Well, how many of them should be put in a row? And how many to finish, what would a person run?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 13 2018 14: 46
            +1
            1 Raptor engine thrust 3 MN, as in RD 180.
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak April 13 2018 14: 36
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          BE 4 and Raptor - they’re already experiencing


          10 years minimum, as far as I know, one bench laboratory has already taken off, though in different directions
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 13 2018 14: 42
            0
            BE 4 took off.
  4. Altona
    Altona April 13 2018 13: 46
    +3
    For Americans, it will certainly be painful, but not too sensitive. And it seems to me that the business has already begun to work according to workarounds and through intermediaries, where the counterparty is not a Russian or American company.
  5. DenZ
    DenZ April 13 2018 13: 46
    +4
    Well, if the Americans in return stop supplying spare parts for civilian Boeings (which would be a logical answer on their part), then something will happen ...
    1. dnestr74
      dnestr74 April 13 2018 13: 49
      +8
      It will be great, right away we will start to rivet our silts and carcasses.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 13 2018 13: 51
      +6
      Quote: DenZ
      Well, if the Americans in return stop supplying parts for civilian Boeing

      I hope then finally we will go over to our planes, we flew with the union and now we will fly
      1. DenZ
        DenZ April 13 2018 13: 55
        +1
        Quote: dnestr74
        It will be great, immediately start your silt and carcass riveting

        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        I hope then finally move on to our aircraft

        All of this, of course, is true, but given our pace of production of civilian aircraft, the shake-up can be rather big both for airlines and for our manufacturers Ilov and Carcasses and for the population of course. But it seems that in a different way it is completely impossible.
        1. alstr
          alstr April 13 2018 14: 19
          +2
          And then the question is money. If there are orders (i.e. money for them), then the aircraft will build faster.
    3. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 April 13 2018 13: 56
      +8
      DenZ (Denis)
      Well, if the Americans in return stop supplying spare parts for civilian Boeings (which would be a logical answer on their part), then something will happen ...
      In this regard, I applaud the Americans! That's right and they will do that they will put all the Boeings on the joke! Do not fig amers sponsor! Raise native production. Our Tu and Ily are not worse! Take away kickbacks from bureaucrats and mangers, let them howl!
      1. MadCat
        MadCat April 13 2018 14: 26
        0
        Quote: Bumblebee_3
        In this regard, I applaud the Americans! That's right and they will do that they will put all the Boeings on the joke! Do not fig amers sponsor! Raise native production. Our Tu and Ily are not worse! Take away kickbacks from bureaucrats and mangers, let them howl!

        yeah, in addition to the socially unprotected sections of the population, you’ll also keep the oligarchs and airlines from the budget, which I hope you also pay taxes fellow
        1. Bumblebee_3
          Bumblebee_3 April 13 2018 20: 32
          0
          MadCat
          The oligarchs do not live on our taxes (unless some bureaucrats from the government just "help" them) And if my taxes go towards the restoration of our industry, I will be glad of that! Much worse is that our taxes are invested in US bonds or go offshore. We sell them titanium (raw materials), and they give us Boeing. We, what planes have forgotten how to do?
    4. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich April 13 2018 13: 58
      +2
      Quote: DenZ
      Well, if the Americans in return stop supplying spare parts for civilian Boeings (which would be a logical answer on their part), then something will happen ...

      Wasn’t that like that? We’ll release our planes faster.
  6. Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell April 13 2018 13: 47
    +4
    I may have missed something, the Americans have been cutting for four years / impose sanctions / shit on the markets, and these have just begun to talk about the need for such steps. Sometimes I just don’t understand their actions, I hope the game goes on for a long time and there is a plan
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 April 13 2018 15: 32
      +2
      Quote: Pete Mitchell
      I hope the game is going on for a long time

      And there is. yes Would play "blitz" - would break firewood.
      Quote: Pete Mitchell
      just started talking about the need for such steps

      Apparently, to the last they gave the opponents a chance to change their minds .. though, about what I ... laughing It’s another matter that our own risks are calculated, for the dill method “grandmother and ears” - well, nafig it. I noticed an interesting point from the comments: many who accused the leadership of "softness, curvature, coping" with the enemy, now whined in one voice: "how so, we freeze our own ears, again everything is gone ..." wassat People, such ... people. And this despite the fact that nothing is really known yet - the package is only being prepared. By the way, restrictions are also being prepared on the import of various mattress products. We will find out the details a bit later. Until the end of the month will form.
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 April 13 2018 18: 22
        +3
        Sanya, welcome hi Tramp - this problem is observed from the inside. He has a unique opportunity. If there is interest in obtaining information, let me know. I’ll help you, I'm a signalman. drinks
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 April 13 2018 20: 40
          +1
          Quote: Svarog51
          I’ll help you, I'm a signalman.

          Hello, Sergey hi I'll keep it on mind. drinks
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell April 14 2018 09: 18
        +2
        Quote: Paranoid50
        dill method "grandmother and ears" - well, nafig.

        You are absolutely right - in FIG, your own shirt ... But even this is what the Americans reproach the GDP personally. Not so long ago, several days in a row I talked with one striped. And it’s like a smart guy, he made a lot of money in his life, he and his girlfriend broke up before the election: disputes about candidates ruined family life, and this is not a joke. They talked of course, any argument "broke" like a rock: the former GDP is a spy, he knows how to manipulate everything and everything, he can ... You start a war: we have the right - we bring good ... Zombies of pure water.
  7. Graz
    Graz April 13 2018 13: 50
    +2
    it's time to stop supplying the enemy with high-tech goods
  8. Vadim851
    Vadim851 April 13 2018 13: 50
    +1
    We will lose more economically, we need money to develop the industry. Now, if earlier ... And now on Atlas V no more than a quarter of launches are necessary.
  9. Zubr
    Zubr April 13 2018 13: 51
    +5
    That's right, nothing to mess up. Now let them think about their behavior. Even the daughters of American companies squeeze out the companies themselves. Or make them pay taxes to our budget. To prohibit the development of our bowels and joint ventures with the participation of American capital, to introduce settlements in rubles. Crush them to the fullest.
  10. atesterev
    atesterev April 13 2018 13: 52
    +3
    In addition, Russia may stop supplying rare earth titanium to the United States.


    Since when has titanium been a rare earth element?
    Here are the rare earths:
  11. viktor.
    viktor. April 13 2018 13: 52
    0
    Quote: DenZ
    Well, if the Americans in return stop supplying spare parts for civilian Boeings (which would be a logical answer on their part), then something will happen ...

    Rather, China supplies them to us cheaper, and titanium will go through China or Korea yes
  12. canurodes
    canurodes April 13 2018 13: 53
    +1
    Maybe the US economy will also stop supplying in the form of all kinds of gold reserves, stabilization funds
  13. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 April 13 2018 13: 54
    +1
    Are all in the Federation Council like this Ryabukhin?
  14. ivagulin
    ivagulin April 13 2018 13: 54
    0
    oh well, "locked up" for this you need faberge to have steel and not porcelain
  15. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 13 2018 13: 55
    0
    It may be more necessary! For new ICBMs!
  16. friend of animals
    friend of animals April 13 2018 13: 58
    +6
    Bullshit it. The blow should not be applied to one’s profits, but to the profits of American companies. For example, significantly increase duties on American cars. There is a list of points of mutual trade, and there it is necessary to look at the least painful option for us. In any case, Russia needs to prepare for more serious trade wars and prepare its economy. To not have to urgently spoil the substitution.
    1. bk316
      bk316 April 13 2018 14: 20
      +3
      significantly increase duties on American cars

      And I would simply ban the import ...
  17. Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 13 2018 14: 03
    +1
    "It will go if such a law is passed." But it will not be taken into account in financial circumstances - since these engines, besides the USA, are no longer needed by anyone - the same with titanium, VSMPO AVISMO will not be happy with such a decision.
    1. bk316
      bk316 April 13 2018 14: 22
      +3
      VSMPO AVISMO will not be happy with such a decision.

      AVISMO, if it goes so soon it will receive such a state order ... Or maybe even cooler - it will turn from a PJSC to a federal state unitary enterprise
  18. Chichikov
    Chichikov April 13 2018 14: 03
    +1
    S. Ryabukhin apparently does not know that they deliberately purchased engines for the future, in case of deterioration in relations with Russia, and the US Congress forbade them to use for military programs!

    They say it right - to a bad chairman, the deputies get in the way!
  19. 1536
    1536 April 13 2018 14: 04
    +1
    We ourselves need titanium if the MS-21 is mass produced.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2018 14: 20
      0
      In Russia, 30000 tons of titanium are produced per year.
  20. Cro-Magnon
    Cro-Magnon April 13 2018 14: 06
    +2
    It's too early. They then to us for those Boeings, of which we have a lot - will not give spare parts. What will we fly then? We are just starting to raise our aircraft industry. The article is not relevant today.
  21. gukoyan
    gukoyan April 13 2018 14: 13
    +1
    Let's say that we block the valve with the engines and titanium ... And then what to do with the leftovers ... And does it make sense to chop the head of a chicken laying golden eggs? I don’t think that this will somehow affect the Omerika ... It’s better to raise duties on this product ... And I don’t know, an unpleasant situation in the world and the country is happening.
    1. 1536
      1536 April 13 2018 14: 49
      0
      Excess titanium can be used to produce shovels for gardeners and gardeners. As for the rest, for example, Ukraine refuses mutually beneficial cooperation with Russia and the CIS in favor of cooperation with the United States and the rest of the "civilized world", which is obviously disadvantageous. Why not show Russia the reverse process and prove to the same world that we can do everything. In the 1930 years they showed the same. And flew into space in 1961. And today we’ll "build" the rocket for ten years ... That there is no titanium, or engines? In 10 years, no one will need such a rocket. Why spend money? Or maybe we have not yet recovered from perestroika? That's why everything goes so awry.
  22. ivan0vitch
    ivan0vitch April 13 2018 14: 13
    +8
    great move. The mask will have more orders, and competitors-manufacturers of titanium will be happy. Russians working in these areas will have a lot of free time. They will take the aluminum workers under the handle and go for a walk on the street, spring is the same, the weather is wonderful)
    1. gukoyan
      gukoyan April 13 2018 14: 16
      +1
      In-in, and then they still complain that the metallurgical industry in the country is bent)
    2. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 13 2018 22: 21
      0
      Quote: ivan0vitch
      Yes, and competitors-manufacturers of titanium will be happy

      they are not and never have been
  23. Bronevick
    Bronevick April 13 2018 14: 14
    +4
    That is, there will be even less money in the country
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2018 14: 47
      0
      Therefore, no one will listen to him.
  24. faterdom
    faterdom April 13 2018 14: 14
    +2
    That's not all! The main thing is the worst for the self-proclaimed chiefs: we do not recognize the intellectual property of the US campaigns and countries that have joined the sanctions. This, coupled with titanium and engines, as well as medicines and tobacco, alcohol, can greatly affect the shares of all these enterprises and the composite Dow Jones, Kek40, Nikkei and more. And the world is already overheated by debt and much holds only a conditional lie about the price of the dollar, an ounce of gold on the London Stock Exchange and other near-scientific dregs.
    We and the Chinese have been saving gold for the past few years, and when the Fed and the Bank of England collapse, we can easily hold onto "eternal values." But someone may not recover - after all, the States are full of social, racial, national and geographic-historical conflicts.
  25. Lerych
    Lerych April 13 2018 14: 17
    +1
    We seem to have, as far as I know, in Russia, stamping blades from titanium for Boeing turbines ... The technology is very complicated. Not everyone is given. China has not mastered. And our aviation industry was ruined by all sorts of Euro standards. It’s noisy, it’s dirty ... Someone noticed that the euro outlets were imposed on us, and now any charger hangs in it, like .... in an ice hole? It was not necessary to lay down under other people's standards. They would have saved their silts, carcasses, yaks ...
  26. Berkut24
    Berkut24 April 13 2018 14: 27
    +2
    All would be nothing in this idea. Yes, only these engines in the United States purchased until 2021. And what they buy now will fly after this year. Those. Now the Americans will not notice the problem, but our refusal will push them to develop their own engine. And do not tell me that they will not make a replacement. The fact that they are sluggishly dealing with this issue is now caused only by the issue of price. It turns out expensive. But if you press them now, then they will not stand at the price due to the hopelessness of the situation. So what a stupid idea.
    As for titanium, then again more harm ourselves. it’s foolish to think that a Boeing will not solve the problem. Boeings were built before our titanium. But to some extent, you can try to ban the Boeings themselves.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 13 2018 15: 24
      -1
      Here on the same site the very same chorus was recently yelling that "it is time to stop supplying Titanium and RD-180," and "the oligarchic regime is to blame, which cheaply sends the United States into space and helps its planes fly. It was naturally to blame who.
      And now, it would seem - here it is, what you wanted.
      So again, do not thank God!
      Now do it "late, does not affect, we will only get worse."
      And again he is to blame.
      Tongues sweep - as they wave a broom.
      Chimes.
      1. Berkut24
        Berkut24 April 13 2018 20: 41
        0
        Well, I’m kind of a little in the subject. For me it has always been foolish for someone not to sell something in a situation of competitive offers. I am not a cheer patriot, but I think we are all very lucky that the Dark One is guided not by emotions, but by accurate calculation. Especially in a situation where our "patrons" are so stupid.
        1. Berkut24
          Berkut24 April 13 2018 21: 01
          0
          "VSMPO-Avisma Corporation, considered the world's largest titanium producer, fears that possible restrictions on the supply of products to the United States, where Boeing is the main consumer, could push the company out of the market for a long time."

          “Violation of cooperation ties, unfulfilled business obligations can permanently, if not forever, tear our company out of a dynamically developing titanium market,” TASS quoted the company as saying.

          Also, VSMPO-Avisma noted that in the Ural region more than 20 thousand employees will find themselves in a crisis situation, and therefore the company expressed hope “for the wisdom and foresight of Russian lawmakers who ... cannot make a decision that can negatively affect the Russian titanium industry and the country's economy as a whole. ”
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir April 13 2018 22: 39
            0
            Quote: Berkut24
            Also, VSMPO-Avisma noted that in the Ural region more than 20 thousand employees will find themselves in a crisis situation, and therefore the company expressed hope “for the wisdom and foresight of Russian lawmakers who ... cannot make a decision that can negatively affect the Russian titanium industry and the country's economy as a whole. ”

            develop YOUR aviation industry and supply titanium there
            1. Berkut24
              Berkut24 April 14 2018 11: 03
              0
              The question is the volume of production. Do you yourself believe that in the near future we will increase aviation, ship and space production by 42 times in order to catch up with Boeing in terms of titanium consumption? This is not even a matter of production as such, but also a matter of sales. We don’t need so much. And in other countries whose market is controlled by the American and European markets, they simply will not let us in for economic and political reasons. A free market is a myth. The law is taiga.
        2. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 13 2018 22: 19
          0
          Quote: Berkut24
          in a situation of competitive offers

          they are not there, google where America bought titanium for SR-71 laughing
          1. Berkut24
            Berkut24 April 14 2018 10: 52
            0
            There are about 300 deposits in the world that are controlled by 10 countries. VSMPO-AVISMA already makes custom parts. Other countries need to invest in the organization of production. I have no doubts that if it does, they will invest and organize. Then VSMPO-AVISMA will no longer be able to return to the market.
            1. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE April 14 2018 14: 09
              0
              repeat - and for some reason America bought all the titanium for its SR-71 in the USSR
              money is still needed for brains and hands from an appropriate place, not the one that Americans and everyone else save in the first place
              1. Berkut24
                Berkut24 April 14 2018 16: 18
                0
                Just looked at the statistics on titanium. Deliveries from Russia to the United States account for about 40% of the total. We are not even monopolists.
                Sanctions against the United States should not be at the expense of our companies, but at the expense of the United States. We are being pressured economically - why aggravate our situation? You need to sell them as much as possible, and buy from them as little as possible. It is necessary by any means to keep the foreign trade balance positive. We must refuse to buy Boeing, prohibit the aircraft of this manufacturer to fly to our country, not recognize the intellectual property of American companies, do not buy their cars, etc. Everything except technology. And if technology does not, then arrest the shares of foreign companies in our joint ventures. And for us - to sell and invest the money we earned in new equipment and new production.
                1. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE April 14 2018 16: 26
                  0
                  did not look there laughing then why did their aforementioned aircraft from the Soviet consisted of 100 and not only 40%?
                  it is clear that after recent actions and statements, Russian politics should assume an offensive anti-American and anti-NATO character
                  they are already talking about Russia that it is responsible for everything, should go off the dark path and the regime should change in it.
                  in vain Nebenzya hugged with this American-Indian witch, the British special representative generally looks like the director of a brothel
  27. Dikson
    Dikson April 13 2018 14: 37
    +1
    Bullshit is not retaliation .. stupidity and empty statements to the public
  28. Wilderness
    Wilderness April 13 2018 14: 39
    0
    They pricked us with an awl in the ... ass, we kicked back reflexively in response. It hurts us - it’s funny to them, that’s all there is to know about counter sanctions. It would be better to take control of the booze and smoke. Or they would take heels of Chubaisoids, sprinkle them thoroughly with gunpowder, put them in the Tsar Cannon .... And then, according to the old Russian tradition ... in a westerly direction.)))
  29. moscowp
    moscowp April 13 2018 14: 46
    +1
    Americans call it "shoot yourself in the foot"
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 13 2018 15: 26
      -2
      Some time ago, people like you urged you to immediately stop delivering the RD-180 to the Americans, because it is unprofitable, and we need them ourselves.
      Shot yourself in the head.
  30. Lerych
    Lerych April 13 2018 14: 46
    +1
    I recalled the moment of the 90s ... When titanium shovels leave for cars in China. ; )
  31. moscowp
    moscowp April 13 2018 14: 49
    +2
    Those. Americans impose sanctions to protect their aluminum producers, for example, we also impose sanctions to protect American producers of titanium and rocket engines
  32. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa April 13 2018 14: 51
    0
    Yes, we are already talking about these responses since the appearance of the site military review already said.
  33. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov April 13 2018 14: 54
    +1
    Do you guys really think so? I feel sorry for you! In the best case, nothing of the kind will happen - not to shoot the Russian authorities in the foot, in the worst the Americans will develop their dvigla! The latter will be better for them and is a matter of resources!
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 13 2018 15: 27
      -2
      Well, of course, these omnipotent Americans will develop anything in a few days.
      Where are we going.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov April 13 2018 15: 41
        0
        smile Sergey, you are my beauty! Finally! Thought you won’t answer! laughing Imagine, we hold the amers behind the tonsils by the lack of dvigles, and then we say: but figs are not dvigles to you! What of course they are outraged, outraged, outraged and voila! After 3-5 years, they have their own dvigla. And we have nothing against amers! Finally! Even in theory! Sergey, the main mistake of the urapatriots is the underestimation of the enemy! wink Think about it!
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 13 2018 22: 29
          0
          in 10-15 years, and not so
          such as you would drive full echelons into the 3rd Reich even after June 22nd, there would be such an opportunity.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov April 14 2018 09: 29
            0
            laughing No Fact Label Distributor?
            1. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE April 14 2018 14: 05
              0
              in fact not a distributor of titanium and rocket engines to the enemy
              very ornate you had a smiley label
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov April 14 2018 15: 51
                0
                smile So you have neither one nor the other in Canada. So it remains to worry about others.
                1. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE April 14 2018 16: 00
                  0
                  with a label the opportunist did not succeed now decided to get to the bottom of the flag
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov April 14 2018 18: 53
                    0
                    smile Wow! You know the word OPPORTUNIST! Congratulations! Who are you, man under the nickname? wink
                    1. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 14 2018 20: 46
                      0
                      or rather, even a collaborationist, “wow” is your everything.
                      fly Aeroflot airplanes and relax in the Crimea, Cuba or Vietnam, for this occupational dollars in exchange for strategic materials and engines are not needed.
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov April 15 2018 08: 55
                        0
                        laughing Collaborator? Yes, you surpassed yourself! So will you hide your name under the nickname? lol Open to us, man, is a mystery.
                    2. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 15 2018 09: 24
                      0
                      it’s you who continue to excel yourself and rejoice for your host friends, today there was another launch
                      there would also be Russian engines in the tomahawks (not just titanium) such as you probably would have applauded standing up.
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov April 15 2018 09: 40
                        0
                        lol Oh how! The guy began to be rude! So it’s just a Troll who thinks that I will be guided by this provocation. Say hello to Golovan.
                    3. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 15 2018 09: 52
                      0
                      pass each other yourself, and continue to applaud while standing
  34. igorserg
    igorserg April 13 2018 15: 02
    0
    China will immediately take these markets, and we won’t go there anymore ... here’s the count of Alkha and tobacco, this is the case ... the Amer automobile industry would also be there
  35. trophy
    trophy April 13 2018 15: 05
    +1
    Probably one of the few positions where we can poke painfully. But it’s interesting that, with their sanctions, the pin of the house not only raped our farmers, but also protected their economy (metallurgy in particular). And what will we do with the capacity utilization of NPO Energomash? This question was discussed in the Duma, or deputies to the bullet of the problem of blacks? Well, the magic kick for speed Ilona Mask at the same time weighed. Let’s see how the pin for the import substitution program will work. It’s not there, the root of the problem is that if you really beat it, the interests of our fat cats will also suffer, and this is nothing to do with it. Although it seems to us, "there is no money, but you hold on," but for obese and frozen animals there are.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2018 16: 46
      +3
      First of all, the interests of our workers will suffer - there will be no work.
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE April 14 2018 16: 01
        0
        you give the Ost plan so that the interests of our workers do not suffer, work is always done while there are workers
  36. tap
    tap April 13 2018 15: 06
    +3
    After the ban on titanium and RD, what arguments will remain? "... you have no methods against Kostya Saprykin!" ©
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 14 2018 15: 03
      0
      for example - move away from the coast and borders of Syria for the launch range
      another ban on export to the ISS, export of brains, and everywhere else. the cowboys will again feed the cows, and the gentlemen will go to the hippodrome and drink tea, and storage - coffee.
  37. rocket757
    rocket757 April 13 2018 15: 27
    +2
    We reason, we reason, and what should be done then?
    After all, we consider it necessary to carry out industrialization again, in full cycle !!!
    And what "effective managers" will do this ??? Those who work only for very large "golden parachutes" ... do not work, they are serving their term to their advantage!
    How can one not recall Comrade Stalin, Beria, Likhachev, Ordzhinekidze and many others .... without any "parachutes" the country was raised! From the ashes can be said.
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  39. Engineer
    Engineer April 13 2018 15: 56
    +3
    Goodbye Cosmos?

    I don’t understand who this title is for? Well, Russia will stop supplying the RD-180 and so what? Last year there were only 6 launches of Atlases. And Mask this year has already launched nines 3. The Americans have no dependence on RD-108. Anyway, the right to the engine then belongs to them. We need this so that they buy, so that production does not stop and people do not remain without work.
    1. Alexander Mokhov
      Alexander Mokhov April 13 2018 18: 41
      0
      What to feed the enemy? Engine production is a high-tech production. And the freed up capacities should be directed to another production that the country needs, including the creation of the latest weapons. And we will not help everyone with work and the enemy!
      1. Evgeny Goncharov
        Evgeny Goncharov April 13 2018 19: 53
        0
        Will you personally issue a salary with rocket engines?
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE April 14 2018 15: 04
          0
          Is there any money?
  40. mihai_md2003
    mihai_md2003 April 13 2018 16: 05
    +1
    This is not a sanctioning measure; it is a shot in the foot. It is necessary to sell, but yes, to raise the price.
  41. 16112014nk
    16112014nk April 13 2018 16: 08
    0
    Quote: 210ox
    .Where the engines go

    Why do we need engines? Rogozin from trampolines will launch rockets to Mars.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 13 2018 16: 49
      +1
      It seems to me that the time will come and apart from our military and civil satellites, beyond the moon, we will not launch anything at all.
  42. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio April 13 2018 17: 06
    +1
    I have long offered to stop selling Boeing metal in my face just laughed all
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE April 14 2018 15: 06
      0
      and most of the comments here are still what?
  43. Wolka
    Wolka April 13 2018 18: 27
    +1
    it had to be done yesterday
  44. Alex968m
    Alex968m April 13 2018 18: 34
    +3
    They shot themselves in the leg. So they are replacing our engines. We must be glad that our high-tech products are bought, not oil and gas!
    It would be better if sanctions were introduced against Boeing and banned from buying their Boeing! You need to fly on domestic aircraft.
    1. Anti-Corr.
      Anti-Corr. April 13 2018 18: 37
      0
      Quote: Alex968m
      It would be better if sanctions were introduced against Boeing and banned from buying their Boeing!

      Well, they introduced Duc, canceled duties on the purchase of Boeing and watermelons.
      Quote: Alex968m
      You need to fly on domestic aircraft.

      that's for sure!
  45. Alexander Mokhov
    Alexander Mokhov April 13 2018 18: 35
    0
    Yes, we will not do anything! Our greed will destroy us! Not yet decided, except for cigarettes and whiskey. A shot at the sparrows from the S-400 MANPADS! Even verbal terms are nasty "maybe" and so on. It’s against reading and listening !!!
  46. aleks.29ru
    aleks.29ru April 13 2018 19: 14
    +1
    They will bomb us, and we will send titanium and have a snack with bigmaks in breaks. Like grain trains on June 22nd.
    1. Snakebyte
      Snakebyte April 14 2018 20: 32
      0
      Quote: aleks.29ru
      They will bomb us, and we will send titanium and have a snack with bigmaks in breaks. Like grain trains on June 22nd.

      Somehow, the people forgot (or maybe didn’t know) that the lion's share of the payment for the high-tech equipment supplied by the Germans was not “grain trains” but ... a loan granted by the Germans with the beginning of payments in 1942.
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE April 14 2018 20: 51
        0
        then echelons that drove?
  47. u1977020556
    u1977020556 April 13 2018 20: 39
    0
    There will be no sense as long as there is cooperation as such at all ... with these oligophrenics.
    It's like fighting with one hand and stroking each other below the waist with the other.
    An erotic film of some kind, Polish, with a blue plot.
    Therefore, there is no real war - bickering and nothing more. And there will be no changes while we sell titanium to them and they give us tv series with tampaks and sneakers for this.
    It’s interesting, did Stalin sell anything to Hitler in 1941? ... and in 1945?
    Long-range aviation regularly flew to Berlin since 1941, but they did not carry humanitarian aid there. and they threw bombs on their heads. If Zarin and Zaman had been in an effective technological phase, no one would have thought for a long time about which scarecrow bombs to cling to: TNT or sarin.
    And here we are thinking whether it is worth stopping changing strategic raw materials to bullshit or should everything be weighed? Nonsense. Is it interesting that the USSR used to sell US titanium?
    As we relate to ourselves, so do the rest of us. Strong need titanium, they become stronger from it, and weak - Santa Barbara, they whine from it more and longer.
    It’s disgusting how ... to learn about such cooperation.
  48. exo
    exo April 13 2018 20: 57
    +2
    It would be better if we thought that if in return the West forces them to return their planes from leasing, what will we fly in the next 10 years?
    At such a pace of production. Not to mention the "novelty" of the IL-96 and IL-114. Return to the 90s. More precisely, in the late 80s.
    And the Superjet is very dependent on sanctions. MS-21, a dark horse.
    If you look at the number of IL-476 aircrafts released after the "digitization of documentation", it becomes creepy. Six cars in 6 years. About the same time, the Americans assembled 100 P-8 Poseidon. Aircraft, many times more complicated.
    It seems that the government does not really understand what it is doing. Especially if it still touches drugs.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 13 2018 22: 40
      0
      Quote: exo
      It would be better if we thought that if in return the West forces them to return their planes from leasing, what will we fly in the next 10 years?

      What do you mean forced to return ?!
      leasing money did not pay or what ?!
      and if you just return everything, then firstly through the court, and secondly, the money paid before returning back is not all good
      1. exo
        exo April 14 2018 22: 25
        0
        I will explain: even now, upon receipt of individual units, it is specified: will a plane with this unit fly to the Crimea?
        But, this is so-the details. And now, the United States imposes sanctions on the supply of dual-use parts. Such is the hydraulic pump mounted on the CFM-56 engine (just in case, this is not my speculation, but a 100% fact). This engine stands on the entire A-319 / family 320 and B-737. The lessor is ready to continue to provide you with aircraft, but subject to the installation of g / pumps from approved suppliers (this is the official term). And you, take them nowhere. A force majeure in which the lessor is not to blame. with spare parts that do not have FORM 1 EASA (or their equivalent), it is impossible. Not a single repair organization or even more so: the manufacturer, after the sanctions, will not sell them. And you return the planes that would otherwise stand on the ground. And cause losses.
        For the "patriots", I’ll clarify: the aircraft of domestic lessors, of Russian production, are leased, under similar conditions. Such a plane, making the “weather” in the Russian Federation, is one: Superjet. On which is a set of Western parts that are easy to bring under sanctions.
  49. APASUS
    APASUS April 13 2018 21: 35
    0
    Russia may stop supplying RD-180 to the USA

    Or maybe not stop it?
    How I got this style of reporting, just One Grandma Said!
  50. Normal ok
    Normal ok April 14 2018 01: 42
    0
    ... if such a law will be adopted

    Russia may ...

    If yes if only.