The last yacht of the emperor (part 1)

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This material is in some sense anniversary. According to the account at VO, it is the 800th, that is, the next “round number". As always, for the "holiday" I want to write about something unusual, leaving aside Tanks - the next publishing house again demands a book about them, supposedly, “there are never too many tanks”, rifles, knights (according to them the book in a gift version is already ready and handed over to the publishing house!), All the same samurai (Samurai-2 is on the line, continuation of the first book), and the Bronze Age. Thought it was necessary to write ... about the ships. Not mine, in general, this is a topic, but I love ships. Back in five years, he loved to consider pictures in Rafael Sabatini’s novel “Captain Blood Odyssey”, which had very spectacular images of galleons, then was read by Lawrence Olivier’s book “The Viking Campaign,” and other marine literature, including historical series MK and TM. He made models: the same galleons and Viking ships, and those and others from plasticine, including sails. It’s a pity, I didn’t know how to take pictures - the models were impressive, and so that the masts and yards did not bend, straws were inserted into them. He made floating models of battleships from plasticine and shot them in duels with fellow cannons. He even wrote about these models in his books “From Everything That Is at Hand” and “When the Lessons Are Done”, but ... especially somehow he didn’t deal with ships anymore. But they are still interesting to me, that's just time to delve into this topic, alas, no.

The last yacht of the emperor (part 1)

Imperial yacht "Standart"



But here I can say lucky. One of my students was an external correspondence from St. Petersburg, who brought me a book of memoirs by Captain Sablin about his service on the imperial yacht "Standart". It was assumed that he would write my thesis "PR of the imperial yacht" Standart ". The topic was, of course, very interesting and, as a result, it even pulled out a candidate's dissertation for the degree of candidate of historical sciences, but “something didn’t grow together”. Nevertheless, the materials contained in it seemed to me interesting and worthy of taking up this topic and giving it material on VO, which responded to secret interests in the marine theme and a clear interest in the sea, in which we all love to swim!


Yacht "Standart" in Toulon.

So, what was she like - the last yacht of the emperor Nicholas II?

However, here it must be said that - firstly, the fashion to have a yacht to royal ladies went from Holland, to Russia, like many other things, it was brought by Peter the Great, that yachts were first sailing, and then steam ones, in the family of Russian kings XIX there were quite a few, not the only one, but it was the “Standard” that turned out to be the last Russian ship of this type, and at the same time the most beautiful, causing the legitimate envy of Kaiser Wilhelm, and even of the British royal family!


Imperial yacht "Standart". In Sevastopol, 1914 year.

Well, this masterpiece of shipbuilding was built (which was recognized by all specialists!) Was not in Russia, but in Denmark, where the yacht was laid in Copenhagen in the year 1893 for Emperor Alexander III. She intended to sail the Black Sea, but the emperor did not have time to use her, and she went to his son. Its hull was made of shipbuilding steel, and the displacement was almost 6000 tons, that is, like a small cruiser. That is, “Standart” turned out to be the largest such yacht in the world, not counting commercial steamers converted to yachts. The yacht possessed excellent seaworthiness and could sail even in the ocean. The presence of powerful steam engines allowed "Standart" to develop a high speed and easily overcome significant distances. He often went round Europe in his voyages and always successfully moved from the Baltic to the Black Sea and back. Well, since it was the emperor's yacht, then everything else was a real “floating palace with offices, offices, headquarters and a lot of court servants,” he recalled what he saw on the yacht Shtandart, officer N.V. . Sablin, who served on it for years.


Schematic sections of the yacht "Standart".

And it is not surprising that the yacht became the favorite ship of Emperor Nicholas II, well, and its name had a deep meaning. The standard is the flag of the head of state, which is hung over the place where he is located. In Europe, this custom originated in the Middle Ages. Standards were notable for their pomp, which once again emphasized the significance of its crowned owner. Well, at the end of the 19th century - the beginning of the 20th century, the Russian standard rising above the yacht of Emperor Nicholas II looked like this: a panel of golden silk depicting a black double-headed eagle against the background of marine geographical maps. As soon as the emperor stepped onto the deck of the yacht, this standard immediately hoisted over her.


The characteristic clipper stem of the yacht and the bow figure.

Shtandart had three inclined masts, which imparted its silhouette to swiftness, as well as two inclined pipes, a displacement of 5480 tons, a length of 112,8 m, a width of 15,4 m, a draft of 6,6 m and a design speed of up to 22 nodes, provided by 24 coal boilers and two rowing screw. The crew of the yacht consisted of 373 people. The sharp stem of the "Standard", borrowed from the clipper, was decorated with a gilded nasal figure flying over the waves of a two-headed eagle.


Engine room.

The name of the yacht was given again with the one existing in Russian navy traditions, that is, even under Peter the Great, one of the frigates of the Russian fleet was so called. It was launched on March 21, 1895, and put into operation in 1896. And then it was like this: on August 29, 1893, Alexander III, together with Empress Maria Fedorovna and Tsarevich Nikolai Alexandrovich, arrived in Copenhagen on the yacht "Polar Star". Here the ceremony of transferring the yacht to its owner took place. But on October 20 (November 1), 1894, Alexander the Third died, and the completed yacht passed to his son.


Dining room on the main deck.

Already 8 of September 1896 of the "Standard", without completing the end of the entire test run cycle, took on board Nicholas II and Empress Alexandra Feodorovna, and accompanied by the yacht "Polar Star" went to England. Then came an official visit to France, and this is how the twenty-year honorary service of this yacht began.


Gallery on the lower deck.

And she had to swim a lot. So, already in the summer of 1897, they visited Kronstadt on a new imperial yacht: the King of Siam, the German emperor and Felix Faure, the president of the French Republic. By the way, Wilhelm II visited the yacht twice: in July 1902 of the year during the maneuvers of the training artillery detachment of the Baltic Fleet in the Baltic and then in June 1912 of the year when he arrived in Revel at the foundation of the new port of Peter the Great on his yacht Hohenzollern. In August of the same 1912, Nicholas II hosted French Prime Minister Raymond Poincaré at the Standart and conducted diplomatic negotiations with him. In addition, Nicholas the Second, almost every year, aboard the "Standart" either made long or short voyages with his whole family, enjoying the sea air and the nature of the Baltic skerries.


Cabin-company.

Since there is not much left of that time, it makes sense to consider the decoration and finishing of this yacht in more detail, since this largely speaks of the tastes of its owners, which are of course interesting to us.


Buffet crew on the lower deck.

So, the entire interior decoration of the ship was designed in strict English taste. There was no gilding, unnecessary jewelry or stucco on the yacht. But everybody noted the good taste shown at the same time, so that the premises of the yacht looked much richer than any ostentatious and deliberate luxury and brilliance. ” In 1905, the yacht "Standart" was assigned to the Marine Guards crew. The crew for the service was chosen carefully. The selected members of the team before the start of their service must be presented to the imperial couple.


Wardrobe room for staff.

It is interesting that much less valuable types of wood were used for the decoration of the emperor’s apartments, than on the old yacht Polaris. The rooms of the sovereign were decorated with cherry wood and walnuts, the rooms of the widowed empress, as well as the rooms of the grand dukes and princesses - ordinary birch, the dining room - with ash, the corridors - with oak and maple wood “under the bird's eye”, as well as white beech. In the imperial dwellings, wall claddings were used with embossed leather or covered with cretones. The premises of the crew got off with oak and pine, which were painted in white paint. A large cabin was located on the aft deck on the upper deck, which was a tradition for Russian imperial yachts. It had a large dining room for official receptions, as well as a study and reception room of the emperor. In the bow section on the upper deck, directly in front of the first pipe, there was a navigational wheelhouse, two wheelhouses for the commanding personnel, and above them also a navigating bridge with a spacious wheelhouse.


Iconostasis on the gallery.

The imperial apartments were located on the main deck, directly above the engine room. Among the cabins that belonged to the emperor, the empress and the widow empress included a living room, bedroom and bathroom. Here on the deck was the dining room, salon, separate cabins for the grand dukes and princesses, as well as officers of the yacht and officer cabin. Cabins of children of the imperial family, servants' rooms, crew quarters and shower cabins were located on the lower deck. It also housed a radio room, rooms for dynamos, ship workshops and some of the storerooms.

In the bow of the yacht, below this deck, there was a cargo hold and a crooch chamber, and at the stern - refrigerators-refrigerators for storage of perishable goods. It should be noted that for the lower ranks of the team and service personnel (355 people), the living conditions were much better than on all previous imperial yachts.

To be continued ...
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  1. +6
    April 17 2018 05: 42
    Oh! Oh! Crying! Just crying! At the sight of such a yacht. Someone from the archbishop of the lords was similar.
    1. +6
      April 17 2018 06: 07
      Quote: Reptiloid
      Oh! Oh! Crying! Just crying!

      Abramovich is just sobbing with annoyance, now you can’t buy it. hi
      1. +12
        April 17 2018 06: 16
        Quote: Evdokim
        Abramovich is just sobbing with annoyance, now you can’t buy it. hi
        He doesn’t have enough taste for that ($$$$ £$$$$ €€€€ ¥¥¥¥¥)
        1. +12
          April 17 2018 06: 23
          So, the entire interior decoration of the ship’s interiors was designed in strict English style. There was no gilding, unnecessary jewelry or stucco on the yacht. But everyone noted the good taste shown at the same time, so the yacht's premises looked much richer than any ostentatious and deliberate luxury and brilliance

          Quote: Reptiloid
          He doesn't have enough taste for that.

          As Abramovich does not need taste, they need everything to shine and sparkle like a cat's eggs. hi laughing
      2. +12
        April 17 2018 09: 15
        Yes, here, by the way, saying ... well, our rich today have no mind. If I had his money, I would restore the “Standart” as a symbol of Russian statehood and ... would present it to the Russian government for negotiations and participation in official events. For the whole world to see, we are such a country that we can afford it. And upon arrival at different ports, I would take excursions to it and water the tourists with vodka and feed buckwheat porridge and caviar. That would be OL so OL. But ... there is money, no mind. It happens often!
        1. +7
          April 17 2018 12: 04
          Quote: kalibr
          And upon arrival at different ports, I would take excursions to it and water the tourists with vodka and feed buckwheat porridge and caviar.

          And if in the wardroom the effigy of Nikolai is put together with the drunk Kostik Nilov, with the locksmiths in his hands, then it will be even more fun.
          1. +4
            April 17 2018 12: 29
            Stuffed only Lenin left. Nicholas II can, perhaps, plant a wax sculpture.
          2. +1
            April 17 2018 13: 25
            Of course! And how did it not occur to me? Aging, apparently ...
        2. +5
          April 17 2018 23: 49
          I once read about yachts donated by Abramovich to our GDP. One on the Black Sea, another on the Baltic. From the state budget for the maintenance of each of them annually leaves for 7 million "eternally green." As a taxpayer, I think that it is somehow fat for our poor state. Let our highly beloved kayak swim better.
        3. +2
          April 18 2018 00: 58
          Quote: kalibr
          Yes, here, by the way, saying ... well, our rich today have no mind. If I had his money, I would restore the “Standart” as a symbol of Russian statehood and ... would present it to the Russian government for negotiations and participation in official events. For the whole world to see, we are such a country that we can afford it. And upon arrival at different ports, I would take excursions to it and water the tourists with vodka and feed buckwheat porridge and caviar. That would be OL so OL. But ... there is money, no mind. It happens often!

          No. Not in the horse's food.
          Since 1996, during the Olympic Games, Russia organized the so-called "Russian House". Where at various banquets and receptions, foreign officials and functionaries were given vodka and fed caviar.
          And it helped us a lot in the "doping scandal"?
          Although I must admit - Sochi 2014, we got it.
    2. +7
      April 17 2018 06: 24
      Quote: Reptiloid
      Oh! Oh! Crying! Just crying! At the sight of such a yacht.

      Yes, I want to cry: they did not save such BEAUTY, destroyed new barbarians.
      1. +12
        April 17 2018 06: 43
        Barbarians are those who forced to work for themselves loved by 16 hours of all --- women, children, and even corporal punishment. Here is real barbarism.
        I feel sorry for the Soviet legacy destroyed in the 90s.
        1. +5
          April 17 2018 06: 54
          Quote: Reptiloid
          Barbarians are those who forced to work for themselves loved by 16 hours of all --- women, children, and even corporal punishment. Here is real barbarism.

          We write about the same barbarians Yes : under the CPSU (second serfdom of the 30s), which you described, the peasantry lived much worse than under the PKP
          1. +9
            April 17 2018 07: 32
            The doctor, especially for you, has cited data on pre-revolutionary life. Do not reprint it to me. Tolstoy --- Famine, read.
            1. +5
              April 17 2018 09: 10
              Dmitry, there are candidate and doctoral dissertations defended on this topic. Containing links to documents from many archives. It is ridiculous that some kind of doctor might bring something that would not be in them. This is the most reliable source of information.
              1. +6
                April 17 2018 13: 06
                Quote: kalibr
                Dmitry, there are candidate and doctoral dissertations defended on this topic. Containing links to documents from many archives. It is ridiculous that some kind of doctor might bring something that would not be in them. This is the most reliable source of information.

                And how do I know what kind of authors are these ??? Maybe the bakers, maybe the Vlasovites ... And you told us how to juggle the facts. I’d better give the testimony of a contemporary of the Pre-Revolutionary, and everyone knows.
                /// Every year the Russian army becomes more and more ill and physically capable ....... Of the three guys it’s hard to choose one that is quite suitable for service ....... Poor nutrition in the village, wandering life on earnings. ...... these are the causes of physical exhaustion ...... About 40 percent. new recruits ate meat for the first time upon admission to military service ..... ///
                Menshikov M.O. Youth and the Army.
                Menshikov M.O. From letters to neighbors.
                1. +3
                  April 17 2018 13: 28
                  Archival documents used in dissertations are checked by opponents. There is also the so-called “black opponent” ... that is, no one will miss the frankly biased work. Will not risk his reputation. It will cost too much, Dmitry. And there will be complaints, so the Council at the university may even be closed. You, Dmitry, are far from this, but I know how this happens and even participated myself ... in some "affairs".
              2. +3
                April 17 2018 20: 34
                Quote: kalibr
                Dmitry, there are candidate and doctoral dissertations defended on this topic. Containing links to documents from many archives. It is ridiculous that some kind of doctor might bring something that would not be in them. This is the most reliable source of information.
                Or you can laugh even more. They want to expose one dissertation, then another .... And with some they are somehow quite cruel .... The doctor, as I know, referred to the testimonies of his contemporaries from sources.
                1. +3
                  April 17 2018 21: 33
                  Ignorant people tend to laugh at everything that they do not know or do not understand. And "they want to expose" and exposed - these are two different things. In England they say this: This is another pair of shoes!
                  Unfortunately, here in this matter only three people understand me. And you can’t even explain it to the rest. It’s like if the dentist will explain the device of the tooth to you in Latin ...
                  1. +4
                    April 18 2018 07: 10
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Ignorant people tend to laugh at everything that they do not know or do not understand. .........
                    Unfortunately, here in this matter only three people understand me. And you can’t even explain it to the rest. ..
                    Yes, sadness, writing articles for only three.
                    How many times have I noticed ridicule over the destruction of the USSR. Now everything is clear. Thank you.
              3. +3
                April 17 2018 21: 46
                There are master's and doctoral dissertations defended on this topic. Containing links to documents from many archives.

                Vyacheslav Olegovich, thanks for the next interesting article.
                But at the same time I would like to clarify, in response to political comments, that in itself a candidate or doctoral cannot be a measure of truth. Each scientist can have his own point of view, and it will not necessarily coincide with the point of view of another. Although they will be doctors of science. Moreover, the more the scientist has regalia, the more he has a special point of view. Therefore, at least two scientific schools compete with each other, and even more. And since not only scientists have a history, many have their own views, the same facts can be interpreted differently.
            2. +5
              April 17 2018 11: 23
              Quote: Reptiloid
              The doctor brought you specifically data about pre-revolutionary life. Do not reprint it to me. .

              DATA did not cite. Chatter-led. .
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Tolstoy --- Famine, read.

              There is NO WORDS about cannibalism, millions of starvation deaths and millions of exiled peasants who were under the CPSU. Do you catch the difference?
              1. +6
                April 17 2018 11: 40
                Quote: Olgovich
                . .
                Quote: Reptiloid
                Tolstoy --- Famine, read.

                There is NO WORDS about cannibalism, ..... e?
                Olgovich, in my opinion you are listening to modern tin. Here it is just about torture, cannibalism and canned food from corpses.
                1. +3
                  April 17 2018 11: 54
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Olgovich, in my opinion you are listening to modern tin. Here it is just about torture, cannibalism and canned food from corpses.

                  Not very modern, but in the 30s. With all of you listed horrors:
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  torture, cannibalism and canned food from corpses.
                  - reading letters to Sholokhov to Stalin and reports from the OGPU from the GARF.
                  1. +2
                    April 17 2018 15: 38
                    He will not! Out of fear of losing "innocence."
                    1. +2
                      April 17 2018 20: 22
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      - reading letters to Sholokhov to Stalin and reports from the OGPU from the GARF.

                      In no case will I, Olgovich. I had a case ---- for a long time Vyacheslav repeatedly advised the newspaper to read, hinted at something that I would be surprised .... Well, then I read the newspaper on the net. No wonder, everything is clear after so many years. Stalin turned to the heads of the West, the USA, in fact. Conclusion ---- either Vyacheslav didn’t read himself, or he didn’t understand, or he misled me .... Why ?????? In short, everything was just like Stalin said .. So ---- here is no time for these your advice. You and Vyacheslav have penal time.
                      1. +4
                        April 17 2018 21: 29
                        Yes, Dmitry, this trouble is the lack of professional humanitarian education and free time. When he was in graduate school in Kuibyshev, he wrote a dissertation in one year instead of three. But my supervisor told me: take your time! you will never again have the opportunity to just sit and think ... Read documents in the archive ... Well, I did not rush! I worked in the archive of failed inventions and you most likely read my articles about them, and this is included in books on tanks. And there are many such examples. Now about misleading you. I don’t see the point! I have already written to you and others (and more than once) that I consider it below my dignity to deceive those who ... well, in a word, people like you. It is also that to beat a child. So if you read something from what I recommended and it somehow "went wrong", then ... it's not my fault, and there are no "evil intentions" either! Blame it on yourself only! But this is just for 80% of people absolutely impossible!
                      2. +2
                        April 18 2018 06: 11
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        - reading letters to Sholokhov to Stalin and reports from the OGPU from the GARF.
                        In no case will I, Olgovich.

                        FEARFULLY?
                        You bet!
                        Your whole gracious world will collapse ....
                      3. +2
                        April 18 2018 07: 21
                        And again, you distort, or do not understand, Vyacheslav, although you may have forgotten. The conversation was about Stalin's address. I understand that this appeal was to the heads of state who subsequently became allies of the USSR. And why should I be surprised? Yes, and others? Because you repeatedly advised this newspaper to everyone. And as I read it, you still don’t remember about it?
        2. +2
          April 17 2018 11: 50
          Yes, it was hard in the Gulag ... Yes, and on collective farms a little easier ...
      2. +11
        April 17 2018 07: 59
        Quote: Olgovich
        such BEAUTY did not save

        In the 35 year, when Marty fought from the "Standard", almost the entire interior was destroyed, the great honor of massive oak and mahogany doors could be seen in the base sailor club in Leningrad, located on Sq. Labor in the former Kryukov barracks, 2 pianos from company cabins and from the imperial cabin survived until the 1961 year, and when the Oka was disposed of, the old piano got the first piano, and the imperial unidentified admiral from the political department of Len.VMB.
        hi
        1. +14
          April 17 2018 08: 49
          Greetings, colleague! drinks hi
          For me, this ship was found to be beautifully used during the formation of the USSR. Since massive oak doors were completely and truly fire hazardous on a warship, they, like the entire "peace-loving" interior, were removed. But in the end it turned out to be a beautiful and dangerous special-purpose ship - a mine layer with powerful weapons for a ship of this class (4 * 130mm + 7 * 76mm to 390min)

          So the former catwalker of fair-faced asses on the Akiyan seas became a good addition to the Navy amid the construction of new ships.
          Interestingly what how Shpakovsky will arrange this fact unfortunate for grand interiors lol
          1. +9
            April 17 2018 09: 49
            hi Welcome my Belarusian friend !!
            Quote: Rurikovich
            became a good addition to the Navy

            what Well, yes, they cut off the yacht so that even the Britons did not recognize in Marty, Standart!
            In Jane’s English reference book for 1938, it says, “This is a completely new ship that has nothing to do with a pleasure tsar’s yacht ... which is evident even from the contours and appearance of the ship”
            Quote: Rurikovich
            how Shpakovsky will arrange this fact unfortunate for grand interiors

            what It would be a good museum!
            1. +8
              April 17 2018 09: 56
              Quote: Serg65
              It would be a good museum!

              What is truly a pity is that the Turks refused to return the Goeben to the Germans in the 69th, which they wanted to make a museum sad With Europe, he would now be popular as a prominent representative of the WWI, moreover, the only major ....
          2. +6
            April 17 2018 11: 31
            Quote: Rurikovich
            For me, it was found great use This ship during the formation of the USSR. Since massive oak doors were completely and truly fire hazardous on a warship, they, like the entire "peace-loving" interior, were removed.
            The familiar logic, yes:
            - the monument to the Heroes of Plevna found excellent use in the form of a public toilet,
            - from the stone slab, built from the temples of Suzdal of the 13-19th centuries, the PERFECT humpbacks
            - From tapestries - PERFECT footcloths,
            - from marble slabs of Heroes OV 1812 g - beautiful paths from marble chips, etc.
            1. +4
              April 17 2018 13: 53
              Quote: Olgovich
              Familiar logic

              Do not distort. And do not interfere in one pile of flies and cutlets. negative
              Quote: Olgovich
              - the monument to the Heroes of Plevna found excellent use in the form of a public toilet,
              - from a stone slab built from the temples of Suzdal of the 13-19th centuries, BEAUTIFUL humpbacks were obtained,
              - From tapestries - PERFECT footcloths,
              - from marble slabs of Heroes OV 1812 g - beautiful paths from marble chips, etc.

              I don’t appreciate it myself, but it’s a good idea to rebuild the ship for other needs. Yes
              1. 0
                April 18 2018 06: 14
                Quote: Rurikovich
                I don’t appreciate it myself, but it’s a good idea to rebuild the ship for other needs.

                So from the monument to arrange a toilet, also somewhat useful thing (there were not enough toilets)
                Quote: Rurikovich
                Do not distort. And do not interfere in one pile of flies and cutlets.

                belay It's all burgers. From one ship.
                1. +1
                  April 18 2018 06: 27
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Like in the monument, a toilet is also useful.

                  The topic was about the restructuring of the ship. You managed to balance this fact with those indicated in yesterday's comment 11.31. Well, if you find it true - your business request
                  hi
                  1. +1
                    April 18 2018 08: 48
                    Quote: Rurikovich
                    The topic was about the restructuring of the ship. You managed to balance this fact with those indicated in yesterday's comment 11.31. Well, if you find it true - your business

                    Held destruction of the unique ship restructuring it into an ordinary ordinary minzag. In the same way, the most unique temples turned into ordinary workshops (the tomb of 4 admirals) or the monument turned into a toilet. You can chop nuts with a golden snuffbox.
                    This, in my opinion, is wild.
                    I think sohi
                    1. 0
                      April 21 2018 23: 07
                      What "savagery", then they broke the whole empire to the root, there is not only the "Standard". everything there is dust, not to list ... And a little later, the new owners themselves, that “who was nothing, that became everything”, they rolled into such serfdom that they would remember Nikolai 1-palkin with a tear of tenderness. According to individual Standards, there is nothing to grieve when everything is broken and set aside for the construction of a workers 'and peasants' state and the world, only the construction of a new one has degenerated completely in the opposite direction, into even more enslavement - who and what hidden forces carried out such degeneration is the main topic that they don’t touch, but it would be necessary ... So the theme appears: "Stalin, as a dictator, led into the dark by the British imperial forces." As a leitmotif, the British, regardless of rhetoric, actually did everything so that Stalin, as a paranoid dictator, remained in power and plagued Russia with his leadership methods and repressions, undermining the deep vital forces of Russians and Russia, thereby destroying Russia as a rival .. I can present convincing facts on this thesis, if you wish, you will find yourself enough, you just need to be careful, such as collectivization, industrialization and militarization, what costs were created. Complete militarization at the expense of everything in the state and military conflicts - as an integral part of Stalin's politics, etc. ... The theme of influence on foreign states through the government of the rulers themselves is an eternal theme from the creation of states, especially relevant for many periods of the existence of Russia, perhaps no exception today's ...
      3. +7
        April 17 2018 10: 51
        Quote: Olgovich
        Yes, I want to cry: they did not save such BEAUTY, destroyed new barbarians.

        Heh heh heh ... it seems to me that if they had kept the "Standard" in its original form, then the fans of RCMP would immediately have rolled out a new claim: "Instead of building a warship for the fleet, the Reds only cared about the comfort of their commanders, to accommodate which the royal yacht with all interiors was restored".
        By the way, I wonder how many KR or MM could get a RIF in exchange for a pair of imperial yachts - the Standard and the Polar Star? wink
        1. +5
          April 17 2018 11: 37
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Heh heh heh ... it seems to me that if they had kept the Standart in its original form, then the RCMP fans would immediately have rolled out a new claim: "instead of building a warship for the fleet, the Reds only cared about the comfort of their commanders, for the deployment of which the royal yacht with all the interiors was restored. "

          To avoid such a terrible accusation, the Bolsheviks wisely destroyed the yacht in advance. Yes
          Quote: Alexey RA
          By the way, I wonder how many KR or MM could get a RIF in exchange for a pair of imperial yachts - the Standard and the Polar Star?

          And how many pots (axes, plows, etc.) could be riveted instead, mmmm.
          And how many footcloths could be cut from a canvas that Ivanov “thoughtlessly spent” on “The Appearance of Christ to the People”! wink
    3. +6
      April 17 2018 08: 54
      Quote: Reptiloid
      Oh! Oh! Crying! Just crying! At the sight of such a yacht. Someone from the archbishop of the lords was similar.

      In 1932, activities were completed, according to the instructions of the Italian government, which began in 1927, as a result of which two vessels were presented from the bottom of Lake Nemi. Larger sizes --- 73 meters long, 64 ---- wide. Another --- slightly less .On one of the lead pipes was the inscription: The property of Kai Caesar Avguegus Germanicus, who reigned until the age of 41. This is the full name of Caligula. For historians, it is not known under what circumstances the ships sank. It is believed that during the civil war under Nero.
      The Italian government built a huge museum where all these finds were until the Germans burned it all in 1944 during the retreat.
  2. +7
    April 17 2018 06: 56
    for the lower ranks of the team and maintenance personnel (355 people), the living conditions were much better than on all previous imperial yachts.

    Yes, natural progress has been made
    People started to care better and better.
  3. +8
    April 17 2018 07: 29
    Quote: Reptiloid
    for 16 hours of all --- women, children, and even corporal punishment.

    So many have never worked. For one free day there were 3,5 labor. It got to the point that in 1909 a group of members of the State Council of the Russian Empire prepared a note on reducing the number of holidays, which also contained the history of the struggle to reduce the number of holidays and weekends: "The question of reducing the number of holidays, the idea of ​​which has now arisen among The members of the State Council, who signed the present note, repeatedly attracted the attention of the state authorities and served as a subject of discussion for both government agencies and various societies, committees and congresses. As far back as 1867, the Holy Synod discussed the issue of "not whether the present number of holidays should be reduced and what reductions could be made for this part. "At the same time, the Holy Synod recognized it desirable to limit the number of those special celebrations, except for temple ones, which" are exorbitantly performed in villages and villages due to various reasons "" .
    1. +6
      April 17 2018 07: 35
      Probably, at this time, or earlier, Tolstoy HUNGER wrote. That's because people! Starve and celebrate! Until the evening!
      1. +6
        April 17 2018 09: 06
        That is, all of the above was not? And what does hunger have to do with the holidays? There was a crop failure - there was a famine. And crop failures were frequent.
        1. +5
          April 17 2018 11: 45
          Quote: kalibr
          That is, all of the above was not? And what does hunger have to do with the holidays? There was a crop failure - there was a famine. And crop failures were frequent.

          Well, yes, yes. At the same time, a constant reminder ---- RI fed all of Europe! So think ---- hunger, crop failures, and Europe is fed. What’s the point
          There were no communists at all yet, and the crops were taken. Who is ?????
          1. +3
            April 17 2018 12: 31
            Crops were not taken. When there was Tsar Hunger Europe was not fed - stopping the export of grain.
            And King Hunger is just babble, according to a hunger strike in the beginning. 20s and early 30s, with their millionth victims
          2. +4
            April 17 2018 12: 47
            Nobody took the crop from the peasants. You cannot rob something that is not. Market - there is a market. When it was fed. When it was not - no! And then no one said that the Russian Empire was a paradise from the well-being of the Tsar and the people, and church sermons. It was a misplaced state, which is already there ... And it collapsed, unable to withstand external and internal tests. So? So! He was succeeded by the USSR. But, apparently, it was also improperly arranged, because it also fell apart, unable to withstand external and internal tests.
    2. avt
      +6
      April 17 2018 07: 48
      Quote: kalibr
      So many have never worked.

      Well, I won’t say about 16, but 10-12 was just the norm.
      Quote: Reptiloid
      Probably, at this time, or earlier, Tolstoy HUNGER wrote.

      As none of the bakers had guessed to say that it was Alexei Tolstoy, well, the red graph "wrote for the" famine "and collectivization wassat Naturally, the demands at the dawn of the formation of the Communists in the strikes of the 8-hour working day are fictitious. bully
      Quote: kalibr
      a group of members of the State Council of the Russian Empire prepared a note on reducing the number of holidays, which also contained the history of the struggle to reduce the number of holidays and weekends:

      Somehow he himself took care of so ... years ago by comparison, well, according to paper sources, there was no internet then. It turned out interestingly - there were no holidays under the tsar; the day off is Sunday. ,, Red days "-religious holidays (,, Mayday" by the way went under the guise of Easter festivities) and the namesake days. So with the introduction of the weekend on Saturday, approximately the same number of days off. Naturally, in the absence of the law of an 8-hour working day, overtime and ,, night ", not to mention harmful production (there was no such thing under the tsar, well, Az a sinner did not find a written source) at the time of the kings. Who knows, but if the tsarist clique was smart enough to listen carefully to Colonel Zubatov and develop his Moscow experience throughout the Empire, then the most powerful factor would be knocked out from under the RSDLP - the struggle for the economic rights of workers and there would remain only bare Marxism, which would be a mountain to propagandize the masses a-azdo is harder.
      1. +4
        April 17 2018 08: 36
        hi Greetings to the White Shark!
        Quote: avt
        a powerful factor would be knocked out from under the RSDLP

        laughing Well, in Russia, the USSR and the Russian Federation with the information war and anticipatory actions there has always been a seam!
        1. avt
          +4
          April 17 2018 13: 19
          Quote: Serg65
          Well, in Russia, the USSR and the Russian Federation with the information war and anticipatory actions there has always been a seam!

          hi request Incredibly, but really a fact. Too .... let's say with a stiff approach to morality. In the West, morality wasn’t afraid to get dirty - they immediately threw it away and took a new one.
          1. +1
            April 17 2018 15: 35
            It’s just that there is morality under the law, and here ... "according to concepts." And in no way will we unlearn.
            1. avt
              +2
              April 17 2018 16: 17
              Quote: kalibr
              it’s still there that’s moralizing the law,

              bully Thank . Neighing about
              Quote: kalibr
              according to law
              I immediately remembered one weighty German who was engaged in rarity cars. He squeezed out an old sports car, something like a Bugatti. So he, according to the law "sued ..... the outcome of the court was understood when he saw a caricature in the law office - the client was a cow, who was milked by a pair of lawyers and a judge.
              1. +2
                April 17 2018 21: 17
                I had similar cases in Russia and England ... Somehow I will sign for everyone to laugh ...
    3. +4
      April 18 2018 17: 16
      Quote: kalibr
      For one free day there were 3,5 labor.

      Vyacheslav, eight days ago you convinced that "in 1902 there were 258 non-working days per year, of which 123"that is, there were 0,4 workers per free day.
  4. +5
    April 17 2018 08: 56
    Beautiful, though probably too prim-old-fashioned - it is noticeable that they did it to the tastes of the late father, Nikolai Alexandrovich. I think for a person with a dragon tattoo on his arm this is not quite what I would like
    1. +4
      April 17 2018 09: 51
      Quote: Lizzzard
      I think for a person with a dragon tattoo on his arm this is not quite what I would like

      belay Can you read the minds of the deceased ???
  5. +5
    April 17 2018 09: 04
    Quote: avt
    Who knows, but if the tsarist clique were smart enough to listen carefully to Colonel Zubatov and develop his Moscow experience throughout the Empire, then a powerful factor would be knocked out from under the RSDLP - the struggle for the economic rights of workers and only bare Marxism would remain, which propaganda to the masses would be more difficult.

    All right. But the workers were indeed worse than the peasants. They had to work harder.
    1. +1
      April 17 2018 12: 15
      Quote: kalibr
      All right. But the workers were indeed worse than the peasants. They had to work harder


      Well that's nothing. They might not work, even during the war, staging strikes. Then, after February, Westernist liberals began to introduce them an 8-hour working day, but the Bolsheviks freed them from work altogether by introducing a 0-hour working day at enterprises (though not paid). Here is from the history of the Obukhov plant: “The revolutionary events of 1917 turned the prevailing foundations and order. In February 1918, the plant manager was dismissed, the management was entrusted to the Commission on the Management of NEO, whose chairman was A.A. Antonov ... December 22, 1917. The Obukhov factory stopped, and all the workers were counted on January 28, 1918, and there were 12 thousand of them. A similar situation developed at other industrial enterprises of Petrograd ... Many left their families in villages where it was easier to feed themselves. About 200 Obukhiv families together with the workers of the Semyannikovsky plant, they founded in Altai one of the first agricultural communes, “The First Russian Society of Communal Diggers,” which later turned into large state farms “Pervorossiysky” and “Obukhovsky”.
      As a result, the number of workers was equal to the pre-revolutionary only to Tue. floor. 20s. And already the peasants, driven into collective farms and dispossessed, envied the workers.
      True, so as not to be very jealous, in 1940 they returned the 6-day working week, and introduced a criminal offense for being late, and during WWII the working day began to reach 11 hours. Let me remind you that under the tsar-priest, the workers during the war did not just go to jail for being late, but staged strikes.
    2. avt
      +5
      April 17 2018 13: 23
      Quote: kalibr
      But the workers were indeed worse than the peasants. They had to work harder.

      Yes. Moreover, until almost the end of the 50s and the beginning of the 60s of the last century it was almost hard labor with a minimum of mechanization of production. So TE 10-12 hours can not be compared with the processing of an 8-hour working day in the USSR. Yes! I forgot to note that child labor was generally not regulated by anything.
  6. +6
    April 17 2018 09: 07
    Quote: Rurikovich
    It’s interesting how Shpakovsky will arrange this fact unfortunate for grand interiors

    No way! Why repeat what you have already written?
  7. BAI
    +2
    April 17 2018 11: 29
    Even when discussing a ship (albeit not a simple one), instead of discussing seaworthiness, characteristics, technical features, and service history, they managed to fall into a discussion of political issues.
    1. +1
      April 17 2018 11: 51
      And Vyacheslav Olegovich took this into account ----- he needs clicks, so this will be a very long article, and then they will also discuss the owner of the yacht ......
      1. +2
        April 17 2018 12: 58
        No, dear Dmitry, you were mistaken. There will be just one more material and that's it! And the clicks ... they need Dmitry not so much to me as to you. Because this is the investment attractiveness of the site. And this is his opportunity to exist, regularly updated, and you should read his materials and comment on them for free. Already there are sites where they pay for it, by the way! So everything is mutual. You to us, we to you!
        1. +1
          April 17 2018 20: 26
          How many times was the importance of clicks to you yourself, Vyacheslav. Has something changed?
          1. +2
            April 17 2018 21: 09
            Dmitry! Have you forgotten how to read or think? Above your comment, EVERYTHING IS WRITTEN in detail and explained. I repeat - EVERYTHING IS IMPORTANT TO THE SITE, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ME AND MYSELF. It is natural that the situation is similar with its visitors. Or do you need to explain the words investment attractiveness? Are they not in your dictionary? Something somehow somehow hardly reaches you ... Or am I explaining so inaudibly? It seems that everyone else ... at VO understand me without further explanation. Students too. And only you have to "chew" ...
            1. +1
              April 18 2018 07: 37
              Quote: kalibr
              And only you have to "chew" ...
              What for? I didn’t think about it until you repeatedly emphasized in different articles .....
    2. BAI
      +7
      April 17 2018 11: 59
      I rummaged a bit in history and found that the statement
      the yacht was laid in Copenhagen in 1893 for emperor Alexander III.

      not true or at least needs confirmation:
      To replenish the Voluntary Fleet in 1892, the Russian government ordered the Danish shipbuilding company Burmeister or Vine a new cruiser. In October 1893 when his the case was already on the slipwaystaying in Denmark Alexander III unexpectedly decided to remake it in an imperial yacht.

      That is, the cruiser was originally planned, then they began to remodel into a yacht.
      Wherein:
      In connection with the processing of the project, construction was interrupted for almost six months. The work was carried out under the supervision of a ship engineer N.V. Dolgorukov and a mechanical engineer N.A. Pastukhov.

      1. +6
        April 17 2018 12: 05
        Quote: BAI
        cruiser was originally planned

        In the event of a war, they planned to arm “Standart” and make it an auxiliary cruiser, but fate turned out differently, in the 14 year the yacht became a messenger ship and sailed from Helsingfors to Kronstadt.
        1. BAI
          +1
          April 17 2018 13: 04
          planned to equip in case of war

          The yacht was armed initially (before the war):
          The armament of the yacht consisted of:

          Of 8 single-barrel 47-mm guns of Hotchkiss with a barrel length of 43,5 caliber, which were located in the bow of the upper deck from both sides. The rate of installation was 15 rounds / min, air cooling, single unitary ammunition. Manual barrel loading. The calculation of the gun included 4 people. The initial velocity of the projectile reached 701 m / s, and the range of fire on a sea or coastal target at an elevation angle of + 10,5 ° was up to 4,7 km.

          By the way, about cruiser yachts (the Standard is not the only one of this kind) there is also here:
          https://topwar.ru/123490-imperskaya-gostayna-1.ht
          ml
        2. +3
          April 17 2018 21: 33
          Quote: Serg65
          "Standart" and planned in case of war to arm and make an auxiliary cruiser,

          In fact, the same “Marty” could be used as an auxiliary cruiser. Skostishko is so-so, but the convoys are quite capable of escorting, and in what thread the North could also protect the crafts soldier
          Quote: Serg65
          but fate turned out differently, in the 14th year the yacht became a messenger ship and went from Helsingfors to Kronstadt.

          Fortunately, in the conditions of the Gulf of Finland, closed by the TsMAP, there was an overabundance of native cruisers, therefore they were embarrassed to arm the royal splendor. The situation was not critical ....
          The USSR corrected the mistake of history and remade the yacht according to wartime plans laughing
          In general, the topic of auxiliary cruisers is quite interesting. what
          At one time I was in the Far East and visited the "Red Pennant", which was considered almost the Far Eastern "Aurora". So there really is a 600-ton yacht, armed with 4 * 76mm bullets. I imagine that they would have shoved onto the almost 6000th “Standard” if it had been there wassat
          1. +3
            April 18 2018 06: 51
            Quote: Rurikovich
            Marty could be used as an auxiliary cruiser

            I even agree with you, Andrey! If Marty had not been kept on the Baltic Fleet, but transferred to the Northern Fleet before the war, he would have been more useful.
            Quote: Rurikovich
            The USSR corrected the mistake of history and remade the yacht according to wartime plans

            laughing Oh, Andrei ..... in 17, the “red admiral" Pasha Dybenko laid his eyes on Standart, making it his headquarters. And the alteration of the “18 of March” to the Marty Ministry of Defense was a strictly necessary measure, caused by a shortage of ship personnel. Almost simultaneously with Marty, the cargo and passenger refrigerator Felix Dzerzhinsky, who became the Urals ministry reserve, was rebuilt into the minzag.
            Here is Felix still in girlhood

            And here is the warlord Ural
            1. 0
              April 18 2018 07: 02
              Quote: Serg65
              in the 17th “red admiral” Pasha Dybenko laid eyes on Standart, making it his headquarters

              Sergei hi , floating headquarters (hotel, brothel) not yet a warship feel
              what did he become after
              Quote: Serg65
              alteration of "March 18" in the Marty Ministry of Defense is a strictly necessary measure caused by a shortage of ship personnel.

              In principle, against the background of the construction of cruisers pr.26,26bis, "sevens", submarines, compensation for the lack of crew is unintelligible to me. But the appearance of a minzag converted from a suitable vessel is a good thing Yes Note, the RIF also did not hesitate to remake junk into useful vessels ("Narova"). Than to develop a project from scratch, you can do half measures (already saving in time and hull) smile hi
      2. +2
        April 17 2018 12: 52
        I can not say anything about this. You noticed that at the beginning of the material there is a specific reference to the memoirs of captain Sablin. Of course, like any memoirs, they can be inaccurate. But in this case, they are used as historical evidence. Therefore, any clarifications are only welcome!
    3. +3
      April 17 2018 13: 11
      And this, dear, from ... lack (or lack!) Of a common culture, inability and unwillingness to listen to others. And I would say ... "the partiality of the poor." At one time in Ancient Egypt, a certain Ahtoy, in preaching to his son the Network, seems to have said: "The lord of things is impartial because he has it!" And we have just started having “things” and opportunities, and not everyone has it. That’s bias, and the desire to get into politics, to feel your importance. I really like the comments (or rather liked them!) In English magazines. It was usually like this: "I read the material with great interest today ... I note a good syllable and an interesting manner of presentation. I regret to note that the author apparently forgot ... nevertheless this does not beg ... etc . (Yes, and at the end the person seems to be who he is and where from!) We immediately "face": the author does not know, the author is not competent ... True, there now the level of culture has also declined. Everyone came in ... Sheffield the bus doesn’t breathe from the smell of curry, in Cardiff - every second ... “of these.” And in London there are whole areas of immigrants. Such a good Ana was, uh ...
  8. +3
    April 17 2018 12: 31
    Quote: Lizzzard
    Beautiful, though probably too prim-old-fashioned - it is noticeable that they did it to the tastes of the late father, Nikolai Alexandrovich.

    -------------------------------------
    No, by the way the interior design is thought out pretty well and does not look old-fashioned even now. Such a beautiful vintage, probably even those who wish can well reproduce it at home. The kings generally liked advanced things and were engaged in new-fangled activities-cycling and photography, for example. Take a look at the photos and see how advanced the bicycle models are with the royal family. These bicycles, in my opinion, are still unchanged. Also with the photo, perfectly made pictures. So the kings had a peculiar taste. The yacht is the apotheosis of philistine luxury and desires.
    1. +1
      April 17 2018 14: 07
      Quote: Altona
      The yacht is the apotheosis of philistine luxury and desires.

      "Polar Star" was trimmed much more luxurious
      The interior of the "Standard" The Emperor ordered to perform much stricter and even forbade any gilding anywhere and anything ..
  9. +3
    April 17 2018 12: 54
    Quote: Altona
    The yacht is the apotheosis of philistine luxury and desires.

    Perhaps! You have noticed it well. A kind of "middle class from the bottom" ascended to the top ...
  10. +2
    April 17 2018 14: 41
    Quote: Olgovich
    The North Star was trimmed much more luxuriously.

    ----------------------------------
    I’m talking about philistine luxury, not aristocratic luxury. Massive furniture, quilted chairs and semi-chairs, tapestry and leather. Furniture at the same time is quite simple in design, not elaborate with heavy carvings as in royal palaces, with a minimum of decor. The walls are lined with wood facade panels, also quite modest, but organically looking in the interior. Chandeliers with glass beads are also rustic. Imitation of the style of "expensive, rich."
    1. +2
      April 17 2018 14: 58
      This, just, is not "expensive-rich", but the usual Victorian style for those times, in a rather modest performance. Another thing is that now the interior is in the Victorian style, it is "expensive, rich"
  11. +1
    April 17 2018 15: 21
    Quote: Gopnik
    This, just, is not "expensive-rich", but the usual Victorian style for those times, in a rather modest performance. Another thing is that now the interior is in the Victorian style, it is "expensive, rich"

    ----------------------
    From the point of view of a king or a tradesman?
  12. +5
    April 17 2018 16: 14
    "So, what was she - the last yacht of the Emperor Nicholas II?"
    The last was not the “Standard”, the last was the “Alexandria”. Standart was a favorite.
    Therefore, briefly about the last imperial yacht.
    The three-masted wheeled two-pipe yacht Alexandria was the last of sixteen steam imperial yachts built since 1851 for the Baltic and Black Sea fleets.
    The official laying already on the Alexandria slipway took place on August 16, 1903 in the presence of not only Nicholas II, but also the Empresses Alexandra Fedorovna and Maria Fedorovna, the Greek Queen Olga Konstantinovna, Admiral General Grand Duke Alexei Alexandrovich, the entire command of the Naval Ministry and the leadership Baltic factory.
    Since it was assumed that the second “Alexandria”, replacing the first, should go to Peterhof, stand there at a shallow pier and swim in the shallow waters of Finnish skerries, they decided to build it wheeled with a draft of no more than b feet (1,83 m); a screw vessel similar in size and displacement would have significantly greater draft. The length of Alexandria was 61 m, width - 7,9 m, displacement - 501 tons. Its steam engine has a capacity of 1107 hp. provided a speed of 14,5 knots.

    It was at Alexandria that Nicholas II twice received Raymond Poincare, for the first time as prime minister in June 1912, and for the second time as president of France in July 1914.
    During the war years, Nicholas II only sailed twice on the "Alexandria". On July 7, 1915, he went to Kronstadt on it to inspect the cruisers Oleg and Bogatyr, which were out of repair, and on July 15 to visit the battleship Tsesarevich.
    Since May 1918, the yacht was in the reserve of the Baltic Fleet mine division, and since April 1921 it was at the disposal of the chief of defense of Lake Ladoga. In 1922 it was put for long-term storage at the port of Kronstadt, and in 1927 it was disassembled.

    FROM THE HISTORY OF THE IMPERIAL YACHTS OF THE RUSSIAN Navy
    A.L. LARIONOV
    1. +3
      April 17 2018 21: 55
      Quote: Curious
      Since May 1918, the yacht was in the reserve of the Baltic Fleet mine division, and since April 1921 it was at the disposal of the chief of defense of Lake Ladoga. In 1922 it was put for long-term storage at the port of Kronstadt, and in 1927 it was disassembled.

      Well, if she was in the thick of revolutionary events and the Civil War somewhere on the Volga, then they would certainly be armed with a couple of three inches with a pair of “maxims,” they would declare klodloki and send to defend the conquests of October or fight the red plague (depending on naturally, from the owner at a given time). And so in the Baltic, in the presence of a mass of ships with screw propellers, due to its practical uselessness from a military point of view, this wheeled princely pepelats peacefully rested in a Bose crying
  13. +1
    April 17 2018 17: 20
    Dear author! If there is such an opportunity, please describe with the reigning persons in general someone consulted how many squares of the room to make, what shape, in what place of the ship, what and how to place, and so on ...
    1. +1
      April 17 2018 21: 05
      Sablin doesn’t have this in his memoirs ... Actually, I can request the archive of the Navy, BUT ... it will take time and money, since photocopies of materials ... cost sinful money. But you interested me. I will try to inquire and find out what is possible. But you have to be patient ...
      1. +2
        April 17 2018 22: 51
        There is little about this in the memoirs of a mechanical engineer A.I. Frantskevich, containing very interesting details of the construction of the yacht. These memories were prepared for publication by his granddaughter N.A. Frantskevich.
        There is such a moment. “The end of the acceptance tests of the yacht coincided with the stay of Nicholas II in Denmark. On the eve of their conduct, on September 3, 1896, the emperor visited the“ Standard ”and, having examined the yacht in detail, praised her. He especially liked the interior decoration of the cabins and salons project of the Danish artist Ludovig Monberg, whom he awarded with a silver watch.
        In his diary, Nicholas II noted that the new “Standard” has a lot of furniture and silver from the Derzhava yachts, as well as from the “Livadia” and the first “Standard”.
        Judging by it, Nicholas II did not take part in the process and saw everything for the first time during the first visit.
        According to Alexander III, the question is more complicated.
        Indeed, initially the yacht was built for half a year as a cruiser of the Voluntary Fleet.
        Alexander III personally nailed the first rivet in the keel. When the construction, however, was so advanced that the support frames were installed, the Emperor decided that the ship should be built as a yacht. All construction work was immediately stopped, and the ship had to be completely redesigned.
        On November 27, 1893, an additional contract was concluded between the Burmeister and Vine and the Imperial Russian Navy. The additional contract was extremely detailed down to steel grades. It is unlikely that Alexander III, having decided to rebuild the cruiser into a yacht, left her design, including the interior, unattended. But the sizes of the latrine, obviously, were determined by experts nevertheless.
        1. 0
          April 18 2018 16: 39
          I think, yes. It is possible that a certain designer / designer brought some projects over and over again, and the king looked through them and made comments ...
      2. 0
        April 18 2018 16: 36
        Thanks, I will definitely wait
  14. +1
    April 17 2018 21: 26
    A ship to match the title of owner.
  15. +2
    April 17 2018 21: 47
    kalibr,
    I worked in the archive of failed inventions and you most likely read my articles about them, and this is included in books on tanks.

    yes, as it were, some other authors on the site link your books too. You really did a good job then, Vyacheslav Olegovich! And they wrote a lot about a little-known technique. hi On Bronesayte Chobitka (you must understand that this site is one of the most deserved) a number of your articles are inserted - about the Bob Sample tank, for example. And Ryabov, when he reprinted it for VO, clearly referred to you. Yes
    1. +3
      April 17 2018 22: 25
      The same can be said about a number of other materials. Some have experience of 10 or more. And some and 17-18 ... And not out of date. And the book of David Fletcher "The Great Tank Scandal" or Stephen Pledges - "Tanks of the Land of the Soviets." It was the "Bible" of all Soviet BTT lovers. When I received it from him, then ... "ran across the ceiling" with joy. And then August 91, GKChP, and he calls me from the United States - "I saw tanks on the streets of Moscow, they have some new reactive armor on them, and I'm preparing a book - I need a photo. I called the embassy, ​​but they are afraid to shoot tanks ... "Well, let me call a friend and ask him to go shoot ... And when the Tankmaster was leaving in Moscow and the Chechen war was going on ... One iconic shot there under shots destroyed tanks in Grozny? These photos became the highlight of one of the rooms. Especially one, with the tank tower on the roof of the five-story building and its bottom, driven into the ground by an explosion of an ammunition shell. Then we wrote a lot about her bad device and that ... brought "Armata" closer!
      1. +4
        April 17 2018 23: 00
        I saw these articles. You wrote about that war. And yes, I agree, critical thoughts bring a new solution closer. hi
        In the journal "Technology and Armaments" you often went as one of the main authors of articles, along with Svirin, Kolomiyets, Shirokorad, Baryatinsky. And they wrote about little-known samples. Subject-s, signature, I recognize! wink
        You made your contribution to the popularization of the armored idea and interest in it among the masses, Vyacheslav Olegovich! I sincerely bow to you! hi
        1. +2
          April 18 2018 11: 23
          Thanks! Yes, there was a good clip! Bakursky, Shmelev, Svirin, Kolomiets, Baryatinsky - "first tier" (access to the archives!). I - the "second" - skillful popularization. Bottom line - many young people chose the profession of a tanker, became BTT engineers, which is good for Russia.
          1. +2
            April 18 2018 12: 27
            Bottom line - many young people chose the profession of a tanker, became BTT engineers, which is good for Russia.

            or just learned a lot about BTT. Or began to be interested in her. hi I venture to suggest that most of the people before the advent of a large amount of information in the 90s did not know about the characteristics and variety of armored vehicles. what
  16. +1
    April 18 2018 11: 19
    Quote: Reptiloid
    And as I read, you don’t remember about her?

    Why do I need to remember everything? It is your prerogative to remember everything. Mine is writing to make money!
  17. +2
    April 18 2018 22: 48
    Quote: Curious
    But the size of the latrine, obviously, was determined nevertheless by experts.

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  18. 0
    5 August 2018 04: 29
    6000 tons of small cruiser? at the beginning of the 20th century. 6000 tons is a rank 1 cruiser. so the Aurora had eight six inches. trade breaker. However))))