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It's time to go out of the WTO. Communist Party for the third time introduces a bill to the Duma

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A group of deputies from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation submitted to the State Duma a draft law on Russia's withdrawal from the World Trade Organization (WTO).


The WTO rules have caused enormous damage to Russia, since 2012 has been a steady decline in economic growth, which has reached negative values ​​by 2015-16 years
- quotes an explanatory note to the Interfax bill.

It's time to go out of the WTO. Communist Party for the third time introduces a bill to the Duma


The authors of the law note that there are no obvious benefits from Russia's presence in the WTO.

The introduction of economic sanctions against Russia, says that the WTO does not protect the country from the tyranny of the international oligarchy and political insinuations. Thus, the UN Special Rapporteur on Human Rights, Idris Jezayri, dealing with the negative impact of unilateral coercive measures, called the sum of losses of the Russian economy from sanctions in 52-55 billion dollars.
- the document says.

Also, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation believes that the WTO is being used as an instrument of pressure on Moscow and suing the international court for collecting a fine from Russia in the amount of 1,39 billion euros per year for the imposed pork embargo.

Such a penalty annuls all preferences received from the WTO by Russia, both used and not used. In this case, the exit from the WTO is necessary and inevitable.
- underlined in the explanatory note.

This is the third attempt of the Communists to vote through the bill. The consequences of Russia's withdrawal from the WTO, according to the authors of the initiative, will not adversely affect the country's economic development.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS April 11 2018 20: 00
    +14
    Then the third day they are talking about going to the other world, and they are talking about their own, female ... we would have to survive this crisis, and then think about the WTO, UN, OSCE and even Wad with the IOC ...
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT April 11 2018 20: 06
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      Then the third day they are talking about going to the other world, and they are talking about their own, female ... we would have to survive this crisis, and then think about the WTO, UN, OSCE and even Wad with the IOC ...

      http://svpressa.ru/politic/article/197641/#mc-con
      tainer
      After that, you can no longer think. hi
      1. Lumumba
        Lumumba April 11 2018 20: 14
        +5
        What about what, and lousy about the bath.
        1. Logall
          Logall April 11 2018 20: 51
          +17
          Quote: NEXUS
          we would have to survive this crisis, and then think about the WTO, UN, OSCE, and even Wad with the IOC ...

          As one movie hero used to say: “do life or do death”
          We need to work both on what is happening and on what will happen! And also what can happen. Otherwise, you can be far behind ...
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 April 11 2018 21: 53
            +47
            Just getting out of the WTO and overcoming the crisis are interrelated actions.
            What should the WTO do? Set general rules. This gives both responsibilities and rights.
            But we comply with obligations, but there are no rights. Well, what for us feed NATO at their own expense ?? !!
            So to raise the question with an edge - either with us according to the general rules, or we do not consider ourselves obligated to abide by the WTO rules (in particular, to spread rot our industry for the sake of import). As in the OSCE - we didn’t seem to leave, leaving a chance for the return of cooperation, but now we are not paying contributions
            1. Logall
              Logall April 11 2018 22: 04
              +8
              Quote: Shurik70
              OSCE - we didn’t seem to leave, leaving a chance for the return of cooperation, but now we are not paying contributions

              We pay, namesake, we pay, but not in full ... But why?
            2. your1970
              your1970 April 12 2018 08: 16
              +3
              you can get out ..
              But believe the former customs officer - we will lose much more. The situation is as follows - at the moment (except for the USA - which have been peddling) no one can set any prohibitive duties / restrictions on our goods ALL goods on 1-5-10 are possible, but on all - it is impossible. Having left the WTO, we lose this advantage. In connection with the current rallying of our "partners" - they are ready to "poke their eyes out - if only the mother-in-law had a curve in-law !!", and even the barriers to our import will be a great success - we are competitors of their industry.
              And they have a lot of options ... During the USSR there were two ways for our forest - Novorossiysk and Severny. So Novorossiysk was bought abroad 30% cheaper than the North - it’s worse .... And the USSR had to develop 2 (TWO!) GOST on the forest and try to prove this - that the forest is good in both directions.
              Or the famous "tractor razors" in Japan is an absolute reality: at that time there were really so high duties on raw materials - that it turned out to be more profitable for them to import our heavy tractors (in the manufacture of which high-quality steels and alloys were used) and make razors from them ..
              In general, customs wars are constantly boiling in the world - fast and long, sometimes even with the participation of armies (the famous "Herring Wars"). Even a harbinger of a war with Poland was a customs war over the right to administer customs payments in the city of Danzig and the right to get there (Danzig / Polish Corridor)

              The WTO is called upon to stabilize at least a little bit all these absolutely divergent interests of all countries of the world and somehow cultivate this process. The situation is very complicated, and having left the WTO, we will not render much assistance to our industry.
            3. Geosun
              Geosun April 12 2018 09: 43
              +1
              Many people who talk about the WTO do not even know what it is.
              And the WTO is a set of rules, the same for the whole world. Trade wars were fought constantly, each country wanted to support its producer and spread rot. And so the countries gathered and decided to create uniform rules. This is a unified system of accounting, a unified system of taxation, a unified system of tariffs, duties and fees, remuneration.
              They are to protect consumers.
              There is nothing wrong with these rules - they are the same for all countries.
              And they interfere with manufacturers who do not want to reflect profits according to the rules, do not want to pay white salaries, do not want to create the necessary working conditions, do not want to reduce tariffs and duties.
              Pay attention from the WTO howling oligarchs and officials. Which lose the courts due to improperly organized work.
              Once again, the WTO is a set of rules common to all, nothing more.
              1. Bakht
                Bakht April 12 2018 10: 07
                +2
                Not quite right. And just the oligarchs seek the WTO. And manufacturers and ordinary people cry from these rules. You carefully read these very "general rules." They have a lot of interesting and prohibitive. For example, you cannot subsidize agriculture. Restrictive barriers must not be introduced. You can’t impose sanctions. Everyone should have equal access to resources and goods. Perfectly. But what about the violation of WTO rules by Europe and the United States?
                Joining the WTO throws any country back. In the 19th century. Not even in the 20th. Those who violate WTO rules have a chance to survive. As here, they pointed out to me - the same China.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 April 12 2018 11: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Bakht
                  Joining the WTO throws any country back. In the 19th century. Not even in the 20th. Those who violate WTO rules have a chance to survive. As here, they pointed out to me - the same China.
                  -China dropped ?? he WHY SOMETHING not going to get out of there ...
                  1. Bakht
                    Bakht April 12 2018 11: 35
                    +2
                    China violated WTO rules. You must always consider the time when the event occurs. What does China export and what imports?
                2. Geosun
                  Geosun April 12 2018 11: 28
                  +1
                  Again, what you wrote is conclusions from the rules, not the rules themselves. It’s not that agriculture cannot be dated, but there is a permitted level of subsidy. Moreover, agriculture is not only the cultivation of, for example, cows, but also the order of maintenance and care, the procedure for feeding, milking, slaughtering, transportation and storage. and each of this element can be dated in a certain way, under certain conditions.
                  These are only general points, there are a lot of them. And there are specialists who can calculate all this and choose the most optimal strategy for us.
                  here and howl from not literacy. At us, everyone considers himself a specialist, even without reading the instructions for use.
                  And you are right about the oligarchs, they will win in any case, and cry them to get more state support and preferences, since the WTO does not allow them to freely drive products abroad.
                  1. Bakht
                    Bakht April 12 2018 11: 43
                    +1
                    general provisions are disadvantageous to manufacturers. It’s a long argument and better than economists I won’t write. If you understand so well, you should know the book of E. Reinert. Everything is quite convincingly stated there.
                    "Consistently criticizing Ricardo’s theory, Reinert notes that free trade is only profitable if there is a comparable level of development for trading countries, and if there is a big difference in development, free trade enriches a developed country, driving the poor deeper into poverty."
                    The book is called "Why did the rich countries become rich and the poor remain poor"
                    All developed countries in the past have practiced protectionist policies. This is the basis of the country's development. And only having reached a high level of industrialization, they began to preach "free trade". The US is now again introducing protectionism and they wanted to spit on the WTO. They need to overcome the consequences of deindustrialization.
                    In general, for Russia, as well as for Azerbaijan, joining the WTO is death.
                    1. Geosun
                      Geosun April 12 2018 12: 28
                      0
                      Everything that you wrote about the economy correctly, only this has nothing to do with the WTO. I will try to explain on the fingers:
                      Russia produces a nut with a metric thread. Nobody in the world, except Russia itself, needs such a nut, because all over the world the thread is inch. So say the WTO standards. What is better to switch to inch threads or exit the WTO?
                      This is all exaggerated, it’s just that easier to understand the essence of the WTO and our claims to it.
                      1. Bakht
                        Bakht April 12 2018 12: 44
                        +1
                        I have no complaints about the WTO. regarding the nut. You will have to switch to a nut with an inch thread. Because it will be more profitable for you to buy a tractor from China cheaper. And, accordingly, spare parts for it.
                        Many times I asked the question "which car is better: Lada or Mercedes? Almost no one could understand the meaning of the question. In order not to pull the cat by the tail, I’ll say right away. Lada is much better than Merc. And why, it’s not motorists who should argue, but economists.
                        Therefore, I was struck by the illiteracy of Prime Minister Medvedev. Which broadcast with aplomb that it was necessary to buy Boeing and Airbuses. Because Russian planes are worse. Eh, there is no Stalin on him. It would have been a long time already at the logging site with an ax.
                        Everything is completely simple. And do not dig deep: If you like the commodity economy, then everything is in order. You go the right way
                        --------
                        The German economist Friedrich Liszt wrote in 1841 that for several hundred years the economic policy of England was guided by a simple rule: import raw materials and export manufactured goods.
                        300 years ago, the English economist John Carey (1649–1720) advocated free trade, but at the same time was so outraged that merchants sent unwashed wool abroad, which he suggested punish the exporter with death.
                      2. Bakht
                        Bakht April 12 2018 13: 02
                        +1
                        In the early 1700s, an iron rule appeared in the economic practice of bilateral trade, which quickly spread to Europe. If a country exports commodities and imports industrial goods, then it conducts unprofitable trade; if a country imports commodities and exports industrial goods, it is profitable. Interestingly, if a country exported manufactured goods in exchange for other manufactured goods, trade was considered beneficial to both parties. As UNCTAD once put it, symmetric trade is beneficial to both parties, and asymmetric trade is disadvantageous to poor countries.
                        That is why the main proponents of industrialization and tariff protection, such as Friedrich Liszt, were the main proponents of free trade and globalization, but only after all countries were sufficiently industrialized. Back in the 1840s, Friedrich Liszt developed a recipe for “proper globalization”: free trade should be introduced after all countries of the world are industrialized; only then will it be beneficial to all countries without exception.

                        Applied to our realities. Deripaska built an aluminum empire designed for export. In those factories that the USSR built to produce its aircraft. Then 90% of the aluminum remained in the country. and Only surplus in the form of 10% went for export. Now the picture is diametrically opposite. And so the US strike was so tangible. Yes, the Tu-154 was worse than a Boeing. But the country was the winner. So Deripaska deserves to be shot. Like Medvedev, by the way.
                        In 1558, the Minister of Finance of Spain, Luis Ortiz, described the current situation in a memorandum to King Philip II: “Of the raw materials of Spain and the West Indies, in particular, silk, iron and cochinillas (red paint), which they buy for just one florin, foreigners produce finished goods, which are then sold back to Spain, at a price of ten to a hundred florins. Thus, from the rest of Europe, Spain is subject to even greater humiliation than the humiliation to which we ourselves subject the Indians. In exchange for gold and silver, the Spaniards offer Indians trinkets of greater or lesser value; but by buying their own commodities from foreigners at a sky-high price, the Spaniards become the laughing stock of all of Europe».
                        The main idea of ​​the Ortiz memorandum - a finished product can cost ten or even a hundred times more expensive than the raw materials necessary for its production - has sounded for centuries in European economic literature. Between raw materials and finished products is a multiplier - a production process that requires knowledge, mechanization, technology, the division of labor, increasing returns and at the same time creates them. But the main thing that is created in the course of the production process is jobs for the unemployed, of which there are always a great many in poor countries..
          2. Thrall
            Thrall April 11 2018 23: 39
            +5
            Are these the same communists under whom all republics from the USSR left?
            1. Logall
              Logall April 11 2018 23: 59
              +8
              Who cares who offers sound thought? The main thing is that she (thought) is sound!
              Even a madman sometimes has hours of enlightenment. Maybe minutes or seconds, but still ...
            2. APIS
              APIS April 12 2018 06: 00
              +5
              Trawl
              Others
              Those are now called ep, presidency and prime minister
              1. Foxsvl
                Foxsvl April 12 2018 08: 11
                +2
                Chew the eggs and say it clearly.
            3. Skif83
              Skif83 April 12 2018 07: 42
              0
              The same ones! But not those who defended the country in the Second World War, different people and characters ... Just those who in the Second World War would have asked for this: "
              UN Special Rapporteur ... Idris Jazyri, ..., called the amount of losses of the Russian economy from sanctions at 52-55 billion dollars
              from current to full ...
              Someone, this WTO STRESSEDly pushing through !?
              What could ento be such?
              What kind of enemy and where dug in?
        2. Ragoz
          Ragoz April 12 2018 02: 06
          +2
          He thinks about his lice in the bath only in EP
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    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 April 11 2018 20: 06
      +8
      NEXUS (Andrei) hi
      Then the third day they are talking about going to the other world, and they are talking about their own, female ... we would have to survive this crisis, and then think about the WTO, UN, OSCE and even Wad with the IOC ...
      If there shouldn’t be such a crisis. It was necessary to come up with such a crisis !!! bully
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 11 2018 20: 18
        +13
        Quote: Observer2014
        If there shouldn’t be such a crisis. It was necessary to come up with such a crisis !!!

        Your words make sense ... as I said below, the world has now changed and, I am sure, the Kremlin will no longer play a stupid partnership with the West. hi
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 April 11 2018 20: 28
          +9
          NEXUS (Andrei)
          I am sure that the Kremlin will not play a stupid partnership with the West anymore.
          Andrey.And I'm not sure .. In the near future you need to stir up a terrible, terrible crisis. Creepy and creepy. So that the faint of heart fall into comotosis. And then miraculously get out of this "death"! Everyone (Andrei is not at your expense) I put a song. For discharge. Super charged international situation.
        2. kapitan92
          kapitan92 April 11 2018 20: 52
          +10
          Quote: NEXUS
          I am sure that the Kremlin will not play a stupid partnership with the West anymore.

          hi Where does such confidence come from and what is it based on?
          Russia joined the WTO from 1993 to 2011.
          Goals and objectives : When Russia joined the WTO in 2012, it did so as part of its economic development strategy. Russia pursued the following goals in its accession to the WTO: Gaining more access to foreign markets for domestic products through the use of the most favored nation treatment declared by this organization. Creating a favorable investment climate by bringing national legislation in line with international standards. Improving the competitiveness of domestic goods. Expanding opportunities for Russian entrepreneurs and investors abroad. Getting the opportunity to influence the formation of international legislation in the field of trade, taking into account their own national interests. Improving the country's image in the eyes of the world community.
          Actually, the goals and objectives were pursued sound!
          Now the WTO includes 164 members, including the European Union, as a separate subject of trade relations. hi
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 11 2018 21: 35
            +12
            Quote: kapitan92
            Quote: NEXUS
            I am sure that the Kremlin will not play a stupid partnership with the West anymore.
            Where does such confidence come from and what is it based on?

            On a simple analysis of what is happening in dynamics, starting with the 2008 year. Gaining strength, both military and industrial, all these ten years of the Russian Federation backed up on many issues, losing first to the small and then to the larger (Ukraine) West.
            4 years ago, I said here that the time will come when we will begin to return what we have so mediocre to the West, both territories, markets and political platforms. True, then I clarified that this would be either a lot of blood, or a very sharp confrontation between the West and us.
            Entering the WTO was of course a sound design ... but, one point was not taken into account, the hegemon does not tolerate competition, much less equal to himself. While our country was falling apart, and after being restored, the United States bought up Western countries, their politicians, imposing their pseudo-values, morality, perverted culture. And by the end now, ALL trading floors in the West are the patrimony of our sworn enemies of the USA and Britain. Question-and where did we go about it? Playing cards with katala, and observing the rules of fair play? Don't you think this is stupid?
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 April 11 2018 22: 06
              +14
              Andrei, I like your optimism, but we did not give in to the outskirts - we pumped it, to put it mildly. Thanks to mediocre foreign policy towards the CIS countries. It is still absent even in relation to such countries as Kazakhstan and the Republic of Belarus.
              Now everyone is looking with lust at the Guarantor, he will go to a complete change of government and the economic course of development of the country, or change the "color of the curtain."
              The wait was not long!
              Quote: NEXUS
              Question-and where did we go about it?

              We slipped into the WTO. 164 countries also stuck there, but for some reason China does not raise the issue of withdrawal, or maybe it’s not a bobbin, huh?
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS April 11 2018 22: 14
                +4
                Quote: kapitan92
                Andrey, I like your optimism,

                Vyacheslav, this is not optimism, but more realism.
                Quote: kapitan92
                but we didn’t yield to the outskirts - we rode it,

                Well, you can call it whatever you like ... I also said that with such a policy with respect to the CIS countries, which should be a priori territories of our interests, we can grow into Moldavia ...
                Quote: kapitan92
                We slipped into the WTO. 164 countries also stuck there, but for some reason China does not raise the issue of withdrawal, or maybe it’s not a bobbin, huh?

                This site is now very inconvenient for us (to put it mildly). I’m sure that you need to create your own trading floors ... after all, did the SCO, BRICS and so on create? We must play by our own rules, then we will look at the exhaust and less on the dollar.
                1. kapitan92
                  kapitan92 April 11 2018 22: 29
                  +8
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  we can also grow to Moldavia ...

                  But haven’t you already squealed !? laughing
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  I’m sure that you need to create your own trading floors ... after all, did the SCO, BRICS and so on create?

                  So who is against it! But the composition of these organizations is not impressive. They themselves are happy with investments and new technologies.
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  We must play by our own rules, then we will look at the exhaust and less on the dollar.

                  And who will establish these rules in the Russian Federation? Those whose children, real estate and accounts are in the West?
              2. Ehanatone
                Ehanatone April 11 2018 22: 30
                +1
                For some reason, these 164 countries did not announce ultimatums, and did not impose sanctions
              3. zoolu350
                zoolu350 April 12 2018 09: 04
                0
                Of course, China, being the main industrial producer of the planet of preference with the WTO, is cutting. The Russian Federation, being only a raw materials appendage, pays for these preferences of the PRC.
            2. captain
              captain April 11 2018 22: 11
              +1
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: kapitan92
              Quote: NEXUS
              I am sure that the Kremlin will not play a stupid partnership with the West anymore.
              Where does such confidence come from and what is it based on?

              On a simple analysis of what is happening in dynamics, starting with the 2008 year. Gaining strength, both military and industrial, all these ten years of the Russian Federation backed up on many issues, losing first to the small and then to the larger (Ukraine) West.
              4 years ago, I said here that the time will come when we will begin to return what we have so mediocre to the West, both territories, markets and political platforms. True, then I clarified that this would be either a lot of blood, or a very sharp confrontation between the West and us.
              Entering the WTO was of course a sound design ... but, one point was not taken into account, the hegemon does not tolerate competition, much less equal to himself. While our country was falling apart, and after being restored, the United States bought up Western countries, their politicians, imposing their pseudo-values, morality, perverted culture. And by the end now, ALL trading floors in the West are the patrimony of our sworn enemies of the USA and Britain. Question-and where did we go about it? Playing cards with katala, and observing the rules of fair play? Don't you think this is stupid?

              Who gave everything to the West? Who are we? "We" are commies of Russophobia, under the leadership of Gorbachev. Uuu tribe of traitors of Russia.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS April 11 2018 22: 19
                +6
                Quote: captain
                Who gave everything to the West? Who are we? "We" are commies of Russophobia, under the leadership of Gorbachev. Uuu tribe of traitors of Russia.

                Did Gorbachev give Yugoslavia too? Or did he leaked the first Chechen one to Basayev? Let's remember from the fresh ... Libya, Syria, Iraq, Georgia, Baltic States, Ukraine
                ina ... as you say, komunyaki in those countries just defended their interests and these lands were the lands of our geopolitical interests. And where is Libya or Syria now, from which even the foundation has not remained? M
                1. user1212
                  user1212 April 12 2018 02: 23
                  +5
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Let's remember from the fresh ...

                  Let's. What relation did the former adviser to the Yukos board, Moscow, Alexei Kondaurov, have to the Communist Party, who climbed into the State Duma on the lists of the Communist Party? What relations generally connect the Communist Party and Khodorkovsky? Why did the MBH-media publics drown for the “communist" Grudinin in the last elections?


                  There is a Communist Party, but there are only Communists left in it.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 11 2018 22: 03
            +13
            Quote: kapitan92
            goals and objectives pursued sound!

            Nonsense. We do not have the same climate to fulfill the requirements of the WTO to equalize world energy prices. Bologna education system introduced - is it better?
            Quote: kapitan92
            Improving the image of the country in the eyes of the world community.

            Can they dance the mistress to them?
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 April 11 2018 22: 15
              +7
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Nonsense. We do not have the same climate to fulfill the requirements of the WTO to equalize world energy prices. Bologna education system introduced - is it better?

              Firstly, when the country joined the WTO, about 50 extra were signed. agreements in the field of energy and agricultural. Our prices are much lower than world prices. But how does the WTO and the education system intersect ???
              About the climate: Canada, Iceland, etc. also not the tropics.
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Can they dance the mistress to them?

              I think it’s not worth it, but the positive image of the country is contracts, technology and investment in the economy. hi
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 April 11 2018 22: 35
                +7
                Quote: kapitan92
                Our prices are much lower than world prices.

                They are gradually aligned.
                Quote: kapitan92
                But how does the WTO and the education system intersect ???

                The Bologna education system is one of the conditions for joining the WTO.
                Quote: kapitan92
                these are contracts, technologies and investments in the economy.

                It’s a good job to sit on the pope and wait until investments are made in us. hi In general, my opinion is that the organizers of a sharashka will never allow subsequent entrants to their level.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack April 11 2018 22: 38
                  +5
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  my opinion is that the organizers of a sharashka will never allow subsequent entrants to their level

                  Vladimir hi
                  To their own - yes, they will try to prevent it.
                  But in the same China, for example (and he played by the same rules), it even worked out, let’s say, lift slightly wink
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 April 11 2018 22: 52
                    +8
                    Yeah, with China, they sat in a puddle, and I think that conclusions have been drawn. hi
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    lift slightly

                    Wow lightly. sad The Japanese tried to kick back about five years ago, because of the islands, so vividly shut up when their plants in China stopped in connection with the "strikes." It got to the point that Japanese cars were cast with cobblestones in China. laughing As for energy, I don’t know how it is now, but more recently for industry they were higher in the Russian Federation than in the USA. (this is me for the Captain).
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack April 11 2018 22: 58
                      +3
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      I think that conclusions have been made

                      It’s not about the “conclusions”. It is just that China has given exactly what capital is looking for - let us say so - comfortable conditions for its existence and development. And this capital (into a fool ... into a bastard) took a foolishness, and built factories there with factories ... and localized production ...
                      And now she doesn’t know how to get out of this laughing
                      Give him such conditions again - it will fit again, without options ...
                      Voooot yes
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 April 11 2018 22: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Give him such conditions again - it will fit again, without options

                        We do not have such conditions. yes
                      2. zoolu350
                        zoolu350 April 12 2018 09: 07
                        0
                        And why does this capital not unfold in the paradise conditions created by the oligarchy of the Russian Federation dear to your heart?
                    2. kapitan92
                      kapitan92 April 11 2018 23: 16
                      +5
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      As for energy, I don’t know how it is now, but more recently for industry they were higher in the Russian Federation than in the USA. (this is me for the Captain).

                      When you compare, then "draw" numbers or links, otherwise it is not clear above or below.
                      At home, the average price in the states is 0,13 cents, at the current rate of 8 rubles / 1 kW. hi
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 April 11 2018 23: 52
                        +1
                        Not the first freshness, but for some reason I have not found it in recent years (although I have been looking for a long time).
                2. kapitan92
                  kapitan92 April 11 2018 22: 58
                  +7
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  They are gradually aligned.

                  Come on! In Germany, 1 kW -36, 55 US cents = 22 rubles.
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  The Bologna education system is one of the conditions for joining the WTO.

                  Not certainly in that way. Russia joined the Bologna process in the fall of 2003, and joined the WTO in 2012. It’s incorrect to name the condition, rather a check mark for entry.
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  It’s a good job to sit on the pope and wait for investments to be made in us.

                  But for this and climbed into this organization. hi
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 April 11 2018 23: 02
                    +2
                    Quote: kapitan92
                    in the USA = 22 ruble.

                    And for industry?
                    Quote: kapitan92
                    Russia joined the Bologna process in the fall of 2003, and entered the WTO on 2012.

                    So Russia climbed there for more than one year.
                    Quote: kapitan92
                    But for this and climbed into this organization.

                    Ugh! laughing
                    1. kapitan92
                      kapitan92 April 11 2018 23: 22
                      +6
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      And for industry?


                      I did not google the latest data. Football, Juva Real Madrid makes 3-0. !!! hi
          3. Bakht
            Bakht April 11 2018 23: 21
            +9
            This is all a beautiful wrapper. Fantik. Reality is very different from what was declared.
            Briefly, the main task of the WTO is the free access of resources, labor and capital. But economics claims that free access is beneficial with equal development. In all other cases, resources are pumped from poor to rich countries.
            Does the example of Argentina, Ukraine, the USSR, Poland, the Baltic states mean anything?
            How did the UK or the US become successful? Restriction of free trade. Why is Trump introducing barrage duties now? To "make America great again." American metallurgy developed at 100% customs duty. Now Trump introduces only 25%.
            Another myth of our “partners” is that a weak currency helps export goods. I never heard something that the UK, the USA, or the Russian Empire developed with a weak national currency. The heyday of the UK is a strong pound. The only world currency. The heyday of the United States is a strong dollar. The heyday of the USSR is a strong ruble (gold dime).
            Leaving the WTO is the only way to become independent. Everything else is the path to slavery. While economic, then political.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 12 2018 05: 23
              +1
              Quote: Bakht
              Does the example of Argentina, Ukraine, the USSR, Poland, the Baltic states mean anything?

              Quote: Bakht
              Leaving the WTO is the only way to become independent. Everything else is the path to slavery. While economic, then political

              China ... no? wink
              1. Bakht
                Bakht April 12 2018 09: 16
                +1
                China also fits into this picture. Or does anyone doubt that China violated WTO rules? Chinese counterfeit is not remembered? Or today China is ready to cooperate in the field of intellectual property
                By the way, licensing violates WTO rules. Certificates and software licenses completely violate WTO rules. No one in the world has free access to software. Licenses are the same fees.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 April 12 2018 10: 17
                  0
                  Quote: Bakht
                  Certificates and software licenses completely violate WTO rules. No one in the world has free access to software. Licenses are the same fees.
                  - They NOT move across the customs borders of states - therefore, they are not subject to customs duties and therefore in no way do not violate WTO rules.
                  A Chinese counterfeit? With it, China + fights the customs of other countries when importing - and quite successfully !!
                  And on fairly serious trading floors you can’t buy Abibasa / Kucci / Gobana ..
                  1. Bakht
                    Bakht April 12 2018 10: 39
                    +1
                    How is it not moving? Do you download disks with an office on the Internet for free? Licensed? Therefore, China was able to break free, because it violated the principles of the WTO.
                    And here is a fresh example of free trade for you
                    https://topwar.ru/139691-severnyy-morskoy-put-dol
                    zhen-stat-mezhdunarodnym-koridorom-uvereny-v-ssha
                    .html
                    Those countries that joined the WTO suffered tremendous losses. Industry is destroyed first, then salaries fall and the ground is ready for the overthrow of the government.
                    Well, at least you can look around? Why does the US impose customs sanctions on goods from other countries?
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 April 12 2018 11: 24
                      0
                      Quote: Bakht
                      How is it not moving? Do you download disks with an office on the Internet for free? Licensed? Therefore, China was able to break free, because it violated the principles of the WTO.
                      -that if you are not in the subject-disks with an office across the border move like disks, and are taxed with duties / taxes just like disks themselves PROGRAMS Customs does not impose duties. The intellectual on the registry looks natural, and you pay the owner for it - not the customs ..
                      China NOT violates WTO rules
        3. martin-159
          martin-159 April 12 2018 06: 27
          0
          Your words, but to God’s ears.
        4. icant007
          icant007 April 12 2018 07: 49
          0
          Even as it will be. Another power will come and these games will begin. Alas, Russia is not protected from this.
      2. Scoun
        Scoun April 11 2018 22: 04
        +3
        Quote: Observer2014
        NEXUS (Andrei) hi
        Then the third day they are talking about going to the other world, and they are talking about their own, female ... we would have to survive this crisis, and then think about the WTO, UN, OSCE and even Wad with the IOC ...
        If there shouldn’t be such a crisis. It was necessary to come up with such a crisis !!! bully

        What are we talking about.
        Imha.
        An unnecessary strong Europe will suffer most of all.
        Moreover, there are no resources, but brains are now fleeing to China.
    3. NN52
      NN52 April 11 2018 20: 11
      +8
      NEXUS

      Normal people, this situation, which you call a crisis, and about entering the third world on the third day, read you and laugh ...
      Normal people and not experienced such a crisis ... But alarmists have always been, are and will be ///
      Stew already purchased ???
      Normal people, not alarmists like you, continue to work, rather than fool about the end of the world ...
      1. Svarog
        Svarog April 11 2018 20: 16
        +7
        Quote: NN52
        NEXUS

        Normal people, this situation, which you call a crisis, and about entering the third world on the third day, read you and laugh ...
        Normal people and not experienced such a crisis ... But alarmists have always been, are and will be ///
        Stew already purchased ???
        Normal people, not alarmists like you, continue to work, rather than fool about the end of the world ...

        Are you about the government? After all, we only have normal people there laughing
        1. NN52
          NN52 April 11 2018 20: 55
          +4
          Svarog

          Do you personally consider yourself a normal person?
          Or can’t you even make a stew for yourself?
          You have to work on yourself ...
          1. Svarog
            Svarog April 11 2018 21: 10
            +7
            Quote: NN52
            Svarog

            Do you personally consider yourself a normal person?
            Or can’t you even make a stew for yourself?
            You have to work on yourself ...

            It's about who you think is a normal person. In your 80% of the country people are not normal, or if a person cannot earn money, is he not normal too? You are either young or near the authorities somewhere ..
            1. NN52
              NN52 April 11 2018 21: 20
              +2
              Svarog

              You distort my words ... Why?
              80% in the country can not earn ??? What country do you live in ???
              In our city, the factories do not have enough people, workers of specialties ... And you sit and gund ...
              I am a military pensioner, and I also work .. and far from the authorities ...
              1. Svarog
                Svarog April 11 2018 21: 28
                +8
                Quote: NN52
                Svarog

                You distort my words ... Why?
                80% in the country can not earn ??? What country do you live in ???
                In our city, the factories do not have enough people, workers of specialties ... And you sit and gund ...
                I am a military pensioner, and I also work .. and far from the authorities ...

                Not enough, this is because pathetic pennies are paid .. and in general, where you are missing it. I live in Naberezhnye Chelny, yes, no one is in a hurry to go to the plant for 10-15 tons, is this an indicator that people don’t want to work or earn money? Do you distinguish between these two concepts? And I would be grateful if you tell me in which city and in which particular enterprise there are not enough specialists ..
                1. NN52
                  NN52 April 11 2018 21: 47
                  +2
                  Nizhny Novgorod
                  Mashzavod (I hope you know what it is), c People’s gas is dragged there ...
                  And this is just one example, but only because my mother-in-law works there, and therefore I know, and that’s for sure.
                  And such salaries as you voiced at 10-15 thousand ... Our wipers receive guest workers ...
                  Do not like the power, go to the Swamp ... Or go to work ...
                  And I’m not talking about the Falcon ...
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog April 11 2018 22: 01
                    +4
                    Quote: NN52
                    Nizhny Novgorod
                    Mashzavod (I hope you know what it is), c People’s gas is dragged there ...
                    And this is just one example, but only because my mother-in-law works there, and therefore I know, and that’s for sure.
                    And such salaries as you voiced at 10-15 thousand ... Our wipers receive guest workers ...
                    Do not like the power, go to the Swamp ... Or go to work ...
                    And I’m not talking about the Falcon ...

                    Well, about Nizhny Novgorod, I know enough, but the salary there is 25-35t. from specialists ... What do you think is a normal RFP?))) In general, you start to surprise me)) In general, N. Novgorod, a terrible city, made the central road only two years ago, the center is like after the bombing .. in general, it’s strange to you like it ..
                    1. NN52
                      NN52 April 11 2018 22: 09
                      +5
                      Svarog
                      You start to surprise me ... They look very much like a troll ..
                      If you know Nizhny, you should know that specialists in the ZP range from 50 to 85 ...
                      For ordinary hard workers, beginners, yes 25-35 ...
                      Roads like everywhere else in Russia ...
                      And this is MY HOMELAND.
                      1. Svarog
                        Svarog April 11 2018 22: 21
                        +5
                        Quote: NN52
                        Svarog
                        You start to surprise me ... They look very much like a troll ..
                        If you know Nizhny, you should know that specialists in the ZP range from 50 to 85 ...
                        For ordinary hard workers, beginners, yes 25-35 ...
                        Roads like everywhere else in Russia ...
                        And this is MY HOMELAND.

                        https://nn.rabota.ru/company/nizhegorodskijj-mash
                        inostroitelnyjj-zavod / Here you can familiarize yourself with the staff of specialists at the machine-building plant .. You do not even have information about your homeland .. Roads are not like everywhere else .. You have worse roads than everywhere .. And instead, it’s like that change, you actively support this disgrace .. What is only the barracks that are everywhere with you ..
                      2. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack April 11 2018 22: 31
                        +6
                        Quote: NN52
                        Svarog
                        You start to surprise me ... They look very much like a troll ..

                        Do not be surprised. This is it. Troll yes
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 April 11 2018 22: 10
                +8
                Quote: NN52
                In our city, the factories do not have enough people, workers of specialties ..

                And in our city there are not enough factories.
            2. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 11 2018 22: 07
              +5
              Quote: Svarog
              In your 80% of the country people are not normal ...

              Stop. First.
              80% where did you get? From the ceiling, or where else?
              About "20% of the poor" was already heard. But 80% ... is that all the rest, from babies to deep old men?
              Svarog, Svarog ... request
              1. Tersky
                Tersky April 11 2018 22: 34
                +4
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                80% where did you get? From the ceiling, or where else?

                Novel, hi ! Suggest, or guess yourself? wink
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack April 11 2018 22: 40
                  +4
                  Victor, hi
                  Shhh ... scare all the fish belay
                  Svarog (exactly this one) is one of my favorite, ahem, toys. And willingly pecks ... if you do not scare much right away laughing
                  1. NN52
                    NN52 April 11 2018 23: 04
                    0
                    Novel

                    Well, you are a joker ... laughing
                    I also love fishing ...
                    And the bait has already done a lot for this nickname ... only as if a real bummer 51 didn’t intervene ,,, Sergei would be merciless ...
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack April 12 2018 04: 53
                      +2
                      Quote: NN52
                      I also love fishing ...
                      And the bait has already done a lot for this nick.

                      I noticed ... bait, in the sense of yes
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 April 11 2018 23: 12
                +2
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                80% where did you get? From the ceiling, or where else?

                I know, but I won’t tell. belay
      2. private person
        private person April 11 2018 21: 25
        +2
        This is not a panic, but a sensible look at how the media present it to us. The situation is not straightforward.
    4. Tersky
      Tersky April 11 2018 20: 12
      +6
      Quote: NEXUS
      Then the third day they are talking about going to the other world, and they are talking about their own, female ... n

      When else to talk ... It is clear to them that the monkey with a grenade is not a monkey's problem, but all visitors to the zoo. fool
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 11 2018 20: 17
        +3
        Quote: Tersky
        When else to talk ... It is clear to them that the monkey with a grenade is not a monkey's problem, but all visitors to the zoo.

        Whatever it was, but the world three days ago (or rather a month ago, when our General Staff announced that there would be an answer) has changed dramatically.
        The good news is that now the Kremlin will no longer play a partnership with the West.
        Well, talk? Of course you can.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky April 11 2018 20: 57
          +7
          Quote: NEXUS
          The good news is that now the Kremlin will no longer play a partnership with the West
          I hope yes . And then recently I began to suspect that Kiev Klitschko had a competitor in the person of Peskov, especially after his phrase in the light of recent events -
          "This is a new story, of course, it is quite egregious from the point of view of legality and violation, so to speak, of the norms of everything and everything, therefore a thorough analysis is necessary here"
          . wassat
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 11 2018 21: 20
            +1
            Quote: Tersky
            therefore, careful analysis is needed here

            Analysis is of course important ... especially in boxes and jars. wassat
    5. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 11 2018 20: 16
      +14
      Quote: NEXUS
      Then the third day they say about going to the other world,

      I beg you, they’ll talk, they’ll stop. But with the WTO, it’s high time to decide something
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 11 2018 20: 22
        +3
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        But with the WTO, it’s high time to decide something

        Only from the WTO? Yes, I beg you. All these organizations that I have listed above are all the "field of the West", where by definition we will always lose.
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        I beg you, they’ll talk, they’ll stop

        I'm not afraid for myself ... my son is growing ... now I'm worried about him.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky April 11 2018 20: 26
          +6
          Quote: NEXUS
          I'm not afraid for myself ... my son is growing ... now I'm worried about him.

          Andrei, you are far from alone in your fear.
          1. captain
            captain April 11 2018 21: 07
            +2
            Quote: Tersky
            Quote: NEXUS
            I'm not afraid for myself ... my son is growing ... now I'm worried about him.

            Andrei, you are far from alone in your fear.

            How bad things are with us. It's time to hang yourself. Citizens, I can help with the rope for free.
            1. Tersky
              Tersky April 11 2018 21: 14
              +6
              Quote: captain
              . How bad things are with us.

              You ? And what do we have to do with it? We seem to be not all openwork but not so gloomy fellow
              Quote: captain
              It's time to hang yourself.

              There is a desire? Well, this is a voluntary matter.
              Quote: captain
              Citizens, I can help with the rope for free.

              Thank you, yes There is one very important nuance - if you decide that it is time, then it will obviously come in handy.
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                1. Tersky
                  Tersky April 11 2018 22: 06
                  +7
                  Quote: captain
                  Bro

                  This is to whom the appeal? Do not specify?
                  Quote: captain
                  Why do you pour dirt on our country and people?
                  More specifically - where, when and in what.
                  Quote: captain
                  Well, go to England, everything will be fine there.
                  Do you have a problem with England? Not? Why then send to it all who do not share your views. Here trolling, provoking opponents, hanging labels, of course they won’t send to England, but definitely to the eternal “bathhouse”.
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                1. Tersky
                  Tersky April 11 2018 22: 22
                  +4
                  Quote: captain
                  Well you're cute stingy running

                  I do not complain about leisure, my powers are enough.
        2. Anti-Corr.
          Anti-Corr. April 11 2018 20: 34
          +7
          Quote: NEXUS
          I'm not afraid for myself ... my son is growing ... now I'm worried about him.

          I have two more minors, and we can’t even imagine how they will live, but most likely the negative will intensify in the country, since no positive conditions can be seen even through a microscope. Not for yourself, you need to think for them, but the children of this Putin, along with Syria ..........
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 11 2018 20: 36
            +6
            Quote: Anti-Corr.
            Not for yourself, you need to think for them, but the children of this Putin, along with Syria .......

            The decisions of high politicians ultimately take the lives of our children, not the lives of their children.
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            1. Anti-Corr.
              Anti-Corr. April 11 2018 21: 14
              +6
              Quote: captain
              I recommend sending your children to England, they will be saved there.

              and I would recommend ..... take your recommendations back through ..., formulate yourself ... it’s clear that with verreks you are a big dreamer ..., yeah
              1. captain
                captain April 11 2018 22: 16
                0
                In addition to the negative on my country, from people like you here they don’t write anything. You think that the more mud tubs the better? Well, if grandmas pay you for that, then yes. And if not, then I don’t understand.
        3. captain
          captain April 11 2018 20: 55
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          But with the WTO, it’s high time to decide something

          Only from the WTO? Yes, I beg you. All these organizations that I have listed above are all the "field of the West", where by definition we will always lose.
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          I beg you, they’ll talk, they’ll stop

          I'm not afraid for myself ... my son is growing ... now I'm worried about him.

          I am for your suggestion; we will leave all international organizations. Let them all understand how they feel bad without us. Maybe they will immediately become impoverished, without us naturally.
          The Communists don't give a damn about everything; the main thing is to stay in the Duma. The main thing is to show yourself dear ones. I wrote to Zyuganov; all your vacation pay not in the Canaries, but to the orderlies in our Belgorod region. give back, and the next vacation pay in another area. The people for the commies will be a mountain. But they didn’t go for it, because they are Leninists.
          What do they want? Well, they weren’t the tsar, but our dermocrats overthrew, but the Communists felled the army the most. They helped Kerensky and his brothers Nicholas to overthrow. The white and fluffy Lenin, whom our wretched tsar did not deprive his daddy of his pension, made it possible to graduate from the university, grandfather Lenin's mummy bought an estate near Kazan - only 100 hectares, retired by Pope Lenin. The king is a scoundrel, he could be a guardian for the peasants and more to retire. And as Volodechka did with his relatives, he shot everyone. Even the children. Here the king reckoned with a sneak, it was necessary for the wall of all the brothers and sisters of Lenin and everything would have been Leninist, fair. To see our tsar was a stupid man and Volodya Lenin then deprived him of his life. And he shot all his relatives, there was a king. Enemies, especially those who shot at his father, had to be shot, as did Lenin and his accomplices. They did not spare children.
        4. Ehanatone
          Ehanatone April 11 2018 22: 48
          -1
          The point here is to decide - nevertheless, the Duma is not very good (although the latter is now also unclear where and what) ...
          Although the CRC, too - the third time!
          It’s clear that its current composition, without an appropriate team, is understandable from where, for no reason!
          Only through a referendum - if of course there is still such an opportunity, but in order not to run several times to vote, then immediately changes to the Design - is it clear that the current Construction is quite happy with the current government! ...
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky April 11 2018 21: 31
        +2
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Quote: NEXUS
        Then the third day they say about going to the other world,

        I beg you, they’ll talk, they’ll stop. But with the WTO, it’s high time to decide something

        The WTO is the brainchild of Medvedev, and therefore, while he is at the premieres and leads United Russia, this law cannot be dragged through the Duma because the majority of the Duma is with Edra. In vain the Communist Party of the Russian Federation has now raised this topic - empty. Although the thought is sound.
        1. Karabin
          Karabin April 11 2018 22: 17
          +3
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          WTO is the brainchild of Medvedev,

          Then Putin is his child. Or do you not know whose signature is under the decision to join?
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          and heads United Russia,

          And Vladimir Volodimirovich is the founding father of Edra. And whom does Edro obey? Greatest Politics or just Dimon?
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          this law cannot be dragged through the Duma

          Through the Duma, Putin will defend any law, if he wants to. I don’t think I’d like to cancel what I got into at 12.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 11 2018 22: 23
            +1
            Quote: Karabin
            I don’t think I want to cancel what I got into at 12

            And here you are, apparently, a smart and widely erudite person.
            Can you tell the public what kind of mechanism is supposed to exit the WTO? And will there be all kinds of fines, lawsuits and other things that would have the expected benefit from such an exit (expected - because, apart from the words, there’s no stupid figure) will cover 100-200 years in the future like this?
            Well, sir? wink
            1. Karabin
              Karabin April 11 2018 22: 47
              +3
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              And will there be all kinds of fines, lawsuits and other,

              Will. Mandatory. And when they got into it, they knew about it. The entrance of the ruble is one hundred. And one hell climbed. Which one? Who itches it like that?
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 11 2018 22: 52
                +2
                Quote: Karabin
                There will be. Obligatory ... Entrance ruble - exit hundred

                Stop ... from now on - more in detail, please ...
                What are you offering? To go out? Ali do not go out?
                Or are you just (according to your custom) troll ... flood, ugh ... make noise come out?
                Any military questions, ahem ... okay - and I can ask ... But can you suggest a thread?
                Eh?
                1. Karabin
                  Karabin April 11 2018 23: 27
                  +6
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Can you suggest a thread?

                  When the issue of joining-not joining was discussed at the VO in 12, I was categorically against this trap. Six years later, you are expecting offers from me. The choice is not great. Either bite off your leg and free yourself. Or to sit, hope for a chance and gradually, but inevitably die. I am for freedom. I beg your pardon for comparing our economy with a rat.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Or are you just (according to your custom)

                  Well, it's you in vain. I have a rule to leave a comment under the article. I rarely leave him. And only then to find fault with someone laughing But you sir, according to my observation, rarely comment on articles, but strive to identify trolls.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack April 12 2018 05: 20
                    0
                    Quote: Karabin
                    I'm for freedom

                    You see ... I don’t have enough knowledge of the subject so that I can discuss the pros and cons of the Russian Federation’s membership in the WTO convincingly (and not “on emotions”, as it is generally accepted here).
                    Therefore - I’ll come in a little from the other side:
                    - we have already joined the WTO
                    - there are no trouble-free ways to exit the WTO
                    - to offer (without any economic analysis and justification) right now to leave the place is populism and irresponsible trembling "in one bottle."
                    This is, if you like, my comment
                    Quote: Karabin
                    under the article

                    in fact, there is nothing more to discuss there.
                    By the way, precisely because most of the articles here (and by the way, not only here) are written exactly at this level ("water is wet, grass is green. It's good to study, children, it's very good"), I usually "news" do not comment.

                    Quote: Karabin
                    you sir, according to my observation, rarely comment on articles, but strive to identify trolls

                    I repeat - in "articles", as a rule, there is nothing to "comment" on.
                    As for the trolls - well, yes, there is such a thing ... so they wander around in droves here, but they are so ... it’s a sin not to kick wink
          2. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky April 11 2018 22: 44
            +2
            Quote: Karabin
            Then Putin is his child. Or do you not know whose signature is under the decision to join?
            You see, Yurik, how would you not want this, but we entered the WTO under President Medvedev and his active participation, moreover, six months before his resignation. Do you remember who got involved in “persuading” Georgia that it would not impede Russia's entry into the WTO? Obama himself was "persuading"! Obama !!! - Georgia !!! - the dark-skinned man persuaded the same !!!!! Such a performance was played in order to have time to draw the Russian Federation into the WTO for one reason only - after DAM left, it would become impossible, or it has dragged on to this day and was provided with new conditions.
            1. Karabin
              Karabin April 11 2018 23: 08
              +5
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              You see, Yurik, how would you not like this, but we entered the WTO under President Medvedev

              You see, Dimka, how would you not want to make your worthless namesake a significant politician, but you entered the WTO in 2012 under Putin III.
              July 21 2012, 18: 31
              Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the federal law On Ratification of the Protocol on the Accession of the Russian Federation to the Marrakesh Agreement Establishing the World Trade Organization of April 15, 1994, the Kremlin’s press service said on Saturday.
              adopted by the State Duma July 10 2012 years and approved by the Federation Council July 18 2012 year.
              Comrade Putin III personally and ardently persuaded the Duma members to ratify the protocol of accession. Not all persuaded. Communist Party, LDPR, SR (with the exception of two) voted against. Putin’s edro supported. So what is your passage that
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              after DAM left, it would have become impossible

              just ridiculous.
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky April 12 2018 10: 01
                +1
                Quote: Karabin
                You see, Dimka, how would you not want to make your worthless namesake a significant politician, but you entered the WTO in 2012 under Putin III.

                Yura, you interpret events as it suits you. .... BUT ...... A document approving Russia's accession to the WTO was adopted at the WTO Ministerial Conference 16.12.2011g. After that, it only remained to ratify the agreement, however, difficulties arose here because the Communist Party and the SR initiated an appeal to the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation to verify the legality of the Protocol. The Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation did not reveal any unlawfulness, and the State Duma ratified the Protocol by a majority of votes (by the Unified Composition), after which it was approved by the Federation Council and only after that the GDP was signed. So the preparations and hasty “settlement” of the problems with the stubborn Georgia and Urkaina with “Obama’s mediation”, which in essence could simply dismiss all of Georgia and Durkaina, but for the sake of joke he represented the mediator, fell short of Medvedev's time before he left. So DAM and OBAM managed to plant a pig.
    6. 210ox
      210ox April 11 2018 20: 22
      +2
      Oh, Andrey hi I hope the mind will prevail .. Well, but the Communists, where are they without the WTO and the dollar peg. Although, in fact, we need to get away from this.
      Quote: NEXUS
      Then the third day they are talking about going to the other world, and they are talking about their own, female ... we would have to survive this crisis, and then think about the WTO, UN, OSCE and even Wad with the IOC ...
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 11 2018 20: 25
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        Oh, Andrey

        Dmitriy hi
        Quote: 210ox
        Although in fact, this must be avoided.

        It was necessary for a long time to leave Western and pro-Western organizations, and not to climb there, like baboons in the mating season. In these fields we will always lose ... a simple example with Vada and the IOC.
    7. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich April 11 2018 20: 27
      +8
      Quote: NEXUS
      Then the third day they are talking about going to the other world, and they are talking about their own, female ... we would have to survive this crisis, and then think about the WTO, UN, OSCE and even Wad with the IOC ...

      Only the media speak of entering the next world. I can reassure no third world war will be. But the WTO didn’t even have to enter, they stupidly assumed a lot of obligations and did not receive anything.
      1. captain
        captain April 11 2018 21: 12
        +2
        Valera, I put you a plus, but how could you not support the true Leninists? Are you sold out to Putin? What a horror for our Leninists. You betrayed them.
    8. Borik
      Borik April 11 2018 20: 36
      +2
      NEXUS (Andrey) Today, 20: 00 New
      Then the third day they are talking about coming to the next world, and they are talking about their own, female ... we would have to survive this crisis, and then think about the WTO, UN, OSCE and even Wada with the IOC ..


      .It does not interfere. It’s possible about the end of the world (although I think that NEXUS will quite calmly live to old age. So there can be no war relaxing. I talked with Trump so he assured him that this is so, for the sake of formality, he raised the barge to show everyone what it is not we helped to become his president) But the WTO, we don’t need it.
    9. u1977020556
      u1977020556 April 11 2018 23: 14
      0
      Exit to the next world shines precisely because we misuse our natural resources and improperly plan and build our economy. So the question is relevant and as important as the Sarmat missile or the conflict in Syria now.
    10. iouris
      iouris April 11 2018 23: 38
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      .we would survive this crisis

      The crisis in my head. Stop the planet, I want to get off.
    11. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 12 2018 02: 39
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      Then the third day they are talking about going to the other world, and they are talking about their own, female ... we would have to survive this crisis, and then think about the WTO, UN, OSCE and even Wad with the IOC ...

      about how ... so it is Andrei and it develops (crisis and sanctions) from "dependencies" ... here the grandfather of SJ, is right, this dirty business must be abandoned.
    12. viktor.
      viktor. April 12 2018 02: 50
      0
      We will survive in sofas. yes laughing
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 April 11 2018 20: 01
    +10
    The WTO is still bullshit. For Russia. Someone in the know will understand. Although our rulers, as always, in their repertoire. "Pink glasses"
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT April 11 2018 20: 06
      +2
      Quote: Observer2014
      The WTO is still bullshit. For Russia. Someone in the know will understand. Although our rulers, as always, in their repertoire. "Pink glasses"

      parallel world...
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 April 11 2018 20: 10
        +1
        GELEZNII_KAPUT
        parallel world...
        Yeah. How are you doing?
    2. assa67
      assa67 April 11 2018 20: 22
      +10
      Sergey, welcome hi .. well, really, we need the WTO as a dog’s fifth leg ... Russia was driven into this bondage by our liberal "great" economists of the Gaidar cohort with tales of billions of preferences ... well, where are these preferences?
      1. Anti-Corr.
        Anti-Corr. April 11 2018 20: 25
        +7
        Quote: assa67
        . well, really, we need the WTO as a dog’s fifth leg ... Russia has been driven into this bondage by our liberal "great" economists

        Putin drove us to the WTO or is your memory short?
        1. assa67
          assa67 April 11 2018 20: 31
          +4
          Putin is not an economist, let me say .. and the economic bloc in the government was controlled, and is still managed by "comrades" of a liberal sense ... I hope that in light of recent events, the GDP will draw conclusions and take appropriate action ... hi
          1. Anti-Corr.
            Anti-Corr. April 11 2018 20: 40
            +9
            Quote: assa67
            Putin is not an economist, let me say

            You and I can “allow” anything, only it was Putin who shaped the current government and foreign policy, which many admired so much. What is the result? again, the promises promised 12 years ago? Cereal growth? A technological breakthrough? But the obvious success is the export of capital or 20 of Chinese woodworking combines that mow the taiga to zero !!! in rent for teas at 16 rubles !!!! per hectare.
            1. assa67
              assa67 April 11 2018 20: 50
              +4
              Quote: Anti-Corr.
              it was Putin who shaped the current government and foreign policy, which many admired so much

              I admire politics now .. and the government is gradually changing .... Do you remove the training manual, the elections were held .... did you personally see the harvesters and the mowed taiga? and you looked at the documents? .... or did you listen to the "echo of Moscow"?
            2. captain
              captain April 11 2018 21: 18
              +3
              Quote: Anti-Corr.
              Quote: assa67
              Putin is not an economist, let me say

              You and I can “allow” anything, only it was Putin who shaped the current government and foreign policy, which many admired so much. What is the result? again, the promises promised 12 years ago? Cereal growth? A technological breakthrough? But the obvious success is the export of capital or 20 of Chinese woodworking combines that mow the taiga to zero !!! in rent for teas at 16 rubles !!!! per hectare.

              All is correct; Putin is a scoundrel, here are the Leninists who are real guardians of the people. For example ; promised in 1980g communism and we lived with it. True, not all, only those who are now scolding Putin. while others did not belong to the elite and communism was not noticed. The children of Stalin, Khrushchev, Andropov, Gorbachev - all live in the West accursed by the Bolsheviks. Apparently a revolution is being prepared, or fools are bred in Russia. With the help of those who talk about how to live on this site.
          2. APIS
            APIS April 12 2018 07: 09
            +1
            Google the topic of the GDP thesis and understand that the economic bloc voiced the thoughts of Himself
        2. Observer2014
          Observer2014 April 11 2018 20: 35
          +1
          Anti-corr. (Alex
          ) Putin drove us to the WTO or is your memory short?
          Yes. And what of this.? They gave them a chance that everything according to the law will be. I'm talking about the WTO relations. And relations have developed so that it’s easier to lay down the world. "Why such a world where Russia does not suffer?" repeat
        3. NEXUS
          NEXUS April 11 2018 20: 39
          +1
          Quote: Anti-Corr.
          Putin drove us to the WTO or is your memory short?

          Well, I think it’s not worth blaming a person for wanting the best, living in peace and harmony with the West. At the same time, not in defense of him, but ... we are all people and are prone to make mistakes in our decisions and GDP is no exception.
          1. captain
            captain April 11 2018 21: 20
            +1
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: Anti-Corr.
            Putin drove us to the WTO or is your memory short?

            Well, I think it’s not worth blaming a person for wanting the best, living in peace and harmony with the West. At the same time, not in defense of him, but ... we are all people and are prone to make mistakes in our decisions and GDP is no exception.

            Are you serious? I put a plus, although I think that you have prepared something disastrous about Putin and Russia.
          2. Anti-Corr.
            Anti-Corr. April 11 2018 23: 37
            +1
            Quote: NEXUS
            Well, I think it’s not worth blaming a person for wanting the best, living in peace and harmony with the West. At the same time, not in defense of him, but ... we are all people and are prone to make mistakes in our decisions and GDP is no exception.

            That is, to make mistakes throughout the country and for 18 years ?! fool Do you need this ?! But our children really curse him, if we ..... at least give them a chance to survive with the country, but certainly without "etogo ...."!
        4. vovanpain
          vovanpain April 11 2018 21: 28
          +3
          Quote: Anti-Corr.
          Putin drove us to the WTO or your memory is short

          David Markovich hi I beg you, well, it’s not since 1993 that Putin drove him into the WTO, with the drunk of all Russia and the talker Chernomyrdin, a vicious history began, under Putin in 2012 it ended only hi
          Quote: Anti-Corr.
          only it was Putin who formed the current government

          David Markovich hi let's respect the Russian language, Name Patronymic Last name is always capitalized. Regards, Colleague hi
        5. Terenin
          Terenin April 11 2018 21: 28
          +7
          Putin drove us to the WTO or is your memory short?
          Of course, the people (55 million 13 thousand 955 people) who chose Putin have a short memory. Anti-Corr and Gozman L., with whose words he says, have a long memory.
          PS Gozman is an eternal adviser to Gaidar and then Chubais. The personification of the liberal scum that seized power in our country in the 90s. These bastards already "ruled" the country!
          1. Russia
            Russia April 11 2018 21: 39
            +4
            Gene, welcome buddy hi They always have a bad and shabby list of guilty parties in their pocket. The worse, the better for them, they’ll amaze on this.
            1. Terenin
              Terenin April 11 2018 21: 52
              +7
              Quote: Rusland
              Always they have everything bad and the jammed list of perpetrators in your pocket.

              Hello Vitaly hi Yes, God bless him, with a list of the guilty. But this same Gozman openly asks the West to give weapons to Ukraine to fight Russia and start a war against us! What is it like? But no one sees a threat to the safety of their children?
          2. Karabin
            Karabin April 11 2018 22: 21
            +2
            Quote: Terenin
            Of course, the people (55 million 13 thousand 955 people) who chose Putin

            Yeltsin’s indicators were not weak either.
            1. Terenin
              Terenin April 12 2018 07: 45
              +5
              Quote: Karabin
              Yeltsin’s indicators were not weak either.

              That's it! We then sincerely and wholeheartedly believed Yeltsin’s friendship with the Anglo-Saxons, and the United States in the first place. And with their "friendly" pat on our shoulder, they began to produce pots and pans at defense plants. And they practically began to fulfill their plan to fragment Russia. This is if I understood your short remark correctly.
    3. NN52
      NN52 April 11 2018 20: 51
      +2
      Observer2014

      I am not for the WTO, I have a drum for this organization.
      The fact that the Communist Party has introduced a bill does not mean anything.
      And explain to me, pzhl, if we leave the WTO, we will live fabulously and richly ???
      Or the Communist Party thinks so scare amers on their sanctions ???
    4. Civilian
      Civilian April 11 2018 21: 54
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      The WTO is still bullshit. For Russia. Someone in the know will understand. Although our rulers, as always, in their repertoire. "Pink glasses"

      The most common misconception on this resource.
      "Pink glasses" laughing laughing
    5. your1970
      your1970 April 12 2018 10: 37
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      The WTO is still bullshit. For Russia. Someone in the know will understand. Although our rulers, as always, in their repertoire. "Pink glasses"
      "Have you read the WTO rules? Do you work as a customs officer? Do you have import / export statistics? Do you know about the GATT and Customs Tariffs (at least something)? About the FEA and what does it eat?" Who is in the know - they understand: what is the Russian Federation Did not let there purposefully, so much more profitable for the Western world ...
  3. Z_G_R
    Z_G_R April 11 2018 20: 04
    +7
    the most important internal crisis .. We will overcome it and external crises will subside.
  4. taiga2018
    taiga2018 April 11 2018 20: 05
    +3
    it’s high time, and then they entered into all sorts of ridiculous, useless organizations, such as reaching out for “civilized” ones, but in fact this is only necessary for all our members to hang out beautifully at meetings of these organizations ...
  5. Brigadier
    Brigadier April 11 2018 20: 07
    +11
    While we have such through and through pro-Western personalitieslike Medvedev, Nabiullina, Kudrin, Chubais and other "democrats", we are not in danger of getting out of the WTO ...
    And Russia will have to continue to pull this absolutely unnecessary WTO strap, which they threw on it ...
    And our 5th top column will try to keep it as long as possible ...
    And what about Putin? But nothing Putin! Looks ... thinks ... for some reason endures this whole company, instead of dispersing part, planting part ...
    Alas... Putin is not Stalin! That says it all... request
    1. AlexanderVP
      AlexanderVP April 11 2018 20: 10
      +12
      Quote: Brigadier
      While we have such through and through pro-Western personalitieslike Medvedev, Nabiullina, Kudrin, Chubais and other "democrats", we are not in danger of getting out of the WTO ...

      Putin forgot. He appointed them all.
      1. taiga2018
        taiga2018 April 11 2018 20: 14
        +6
        Quote: AlexanderVP
        Putin forgot. He appointed them all.

        in fact, he is the only real liberal in Russia, all those whom we usually call this a bad word have nothing to do with liberalism ...
    2. Karabin
      Karabin April 11 2018 22: 29
      +7
      Quote: Brigadier
      Looks ... thinks ... endures for some reason this whole company,

      Are you sure you are suffering? And for me, these are his friends and like-minded people.
    3. your1970
      your1970 April 12 2018 11: 35
      0
      and something in the USSR, even under Khrushchev, began to make attempts to participate in the GATT? All 70s tried to enter - at least as an observer? and so until 1989, when they submitted a coordinated application for observer status ...
  6. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian April 11 2018 20: 14
    +3
    EdRo will not vote for the exit))
    1. Karabin
      Karabin April 11 2018 22: 31
      +4
      Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
      EdRo will not vote

      Edro will vote for anything. Even for self-dissolution. A command would be given.
  7. Slovak
    Slovak April 11 2018 20: 15
    +1
    There is a liberoid government led by Medvedev. With one ear he hears Putin, the other with the United States, sort of bowing to Russia, but exposing the backside to the west. Russia in the WTO is beneficial to Europe and the USA, therefore Medvedev portrays deafness
    1. AlexanderVP
      AlexanderVP April 11 2018 20: 18
      +5
      Well, let Putin remove this government along with Medvedev. This is his constitutional right.
      Yes it wasn’t there. His does not give up.
      1. Slovak
        Slovak April 11 2018 20: 22
        +3
        Quote: AlexanderVP
        Well, let Putin remove this government along with Medvedev. This is his constitutional right.
        Yes it wasn’t there. His does not give up.

        Not this way. There are 2 warring groups: Putin (security forces) and Medvedev (financial and economic). And to curl their neck without losing funds, the central bank, etc. is more difficult than you might think. Although, I think, people would support some difficulties in order to rid the pro-Western financial elite
        1. AlexanderVP
          AlexanderVP April 11 2018 21: 18
          +3
          What else is the loss of funds, what else is the loss of the Central Bank? This is all state property, it is simply impossible to lose them in any way.
          All this is just a fairy tale about Putin's titanic struggle with the internal enemies of the motherland. IMHO, everything is much more banal and prosaic.
      2. NN52
        NN52 April 11 2018 21: 58
        0
        AlexanderVP

        Will clean in May. be very surprised .. Remember your words later ...
  8. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio April 11 2018 20: 15
    +2
    but interesting mattresses in the next world will the archangels meet or horned with a pitchfork?
    1. mol1949
      mol1949 April 11 2018 21: 09
      +1
      Horned, but not with a pitchfork, but with vodka, after all wassat
  9. Vladimir 5
    Vladimir 5 April 11 2018 20: 19
    -1
    You have to fight for your rights. A lawsuit against us for pork 1,39 billion dollars, we must sue all the sanctions for 52 billion dollars. Everywhere they hit a sucker, so the Russian Foreign Ministry looks like a sucker ...
  10. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 11 2018 20: 29
    +2
    It is difficult to imagine the reasons why Russia needs the WTO. This organization does not protect the interests of Russian exporters. The Communists chose the right background for their PR. It is clear that only the Government has real power, and it can simply ignore the initiatives of the parliamentary factions.
    How much longer does Russia need to continue to “fall” so that “investors” escaped from it along with “servants”? ... Then the power may change ...
    1. mol1949
      mol1949 April 11 2018 21: 07
      +1
      May end in a trade war and isolation ...
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 April 11 2018 21: 52
        +2
        Quote: mol1949
        May end in a trade war and isolation ...

        Why should they be afraid? ... The trade war has been going on for several years. And from the Iron Curtain there was more benefit than harm.
  11. loginovich
    loginovich April 11 2018 21: 07
    +3
    In the beginning it is necessary to eliminate those who joined the WTO from the government. I’d better hang for a fair decision.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain April 11 2018 21: 33
      +2
      Quote: loginovich
      In the beginning it is necessary to eliminate those who joined the WTO from the government. I’d better hang for a fair decision.

      So what's the matter, you have a beekeeper Yushchenko and Yulia seem to be still alive, with them you seem to have joined the WTO, correct if I'm wrong hi
    2. Karabin
      Karabin April 11 2018 22: 24
      +2
      Quote: loginovich
      .I am for a fair decision is better to hang.

      Do you propose hanging the new president before or after the inauguration? wink
  12. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha April 11 2018 21: 38
    +1
    It was not necessary to enter there at all.
  13. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov April 11 2018 21: 43
    0
    This is what I understand! This is the “true” opposition! laughing Instead of curtailing rotten liberal capitalism, the Communist Party demands an exit from the WTO. Lord Some clowns.
  14. dogens
    dogens April 11 2018 21: 46
    +2
    . WTO rules have done tremendous harm to Russia, starting in 2012 there has been a steady decline in economic growth, which by 2015-16 reached negative values
    - quotes an explanatory note to the Interfax bill.
    some kind of strange explanatory note. They didn’t even reduce the numbers for three times. According to the explanatory note, everything should be written out, what, to what extent and how it caused damage, what will happen from the moment the bill is passed, how it will recover, what we will receive, etc.
    I do not see from the article:
    1). How are sanctions and WTO related?
    2). What will happen from the moment of exit from the WTO.
    Communists are promoting a high-profile topic. We have new elections in the yard chtoli?
    1. your1970
      your1970 April 12 2018 11: 39
      0
      Shout, "We are for the people !! Down with the bloodsucker !!" always useful for the type of opposition party
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  16. Rostislav
    Rostislav April 11 2018 21: 50
    0
    and I’m sure that the Kremlin will no longer play a stupid partnership with the West.

    Your words to God in the ears ...
  17. bone1
    bone1 April 11 2018 22: 01
    +3
    I watched the epic of joining the WTO for 10 years, were torn there like a lousy in a bath-and at least one argument I heard, why? (except that "everything is there, and we need") fellow
    1. your1970
      your1970 April 12 2018 11: 40
      0
      Quote: Bone1
      I watched the epic of joining the WTO for 10 years, were torn there like a lousy in a bath-and at least one argument I heard, why? (except that "everything is there, and we need") fellow
      -you followed incorrectly-the first approaches to the entry (at least an observer !!!) in the GATT began even under Khrushchev, the United States gave its consent in 1989 ....
  18. NN52
    NN52 April 11 2018 22: 41
    +1
    Svarog,
    You don’t understand the machine factory, from the word at all ... Diamond Antey ...
    I understood your passage about my Motherland, and did not expect anything else from you ... I often go to Kazan and see a lot ... At whose expense you built it, but we still have barracks ...
    Well, if you are not even taken to work at the KAMAZ plant ... For 10-15 thousand ... I don’t even know what to advise you ...

    And let's finish the topic .... I understood where you are from and what you are >> Everything.
  19. shuravi
    shuravi April 11 2018 22: 52
    +6
    All rotmisty can come from guano, but words cannot be erased from a song. There are good examples.

    Here is Aeroflot under the Communists:



    And now, thanks to the WTO:

    1. Borik
      Borik April 11 2018 23: 09
      +2
      I don’t understand something?
      Here under the Communists
      Here at the WTO.
      And what's the catch?
      A photo of the plane flies. Well, then what?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 12 2018 00: 47
        +2
        Quote: Borik
        And what's the catch?
        A photo of the plane flies.

        The joke is what kind of plane it is.
  20. NN52
    NN52 April 11 2018 22: 56
    0
    Golovan Jack,

    Novel.
    Yes, as I already understood, later about this troll, from Chelny ...
  21. NordUral
    NordUral April 11 2018 23: 03
    +2
    What a benefit! Damage and new enslavement. And you need to go now, since the arrogant Saxons themselves gave rise to their sanctions.
  22. Graz
    Graz April 11 2018 23: 47
    +1
    time to leave the WTO, bilateral treaties are the best options
    1. your1970
      your1970 April 12 2018 11: 42
      0
      Quote: Graz
      time to leave the WTO, bilateral treaties are the best options
      -that is, you do not know what to enter the WTO, you must conclude BILATERAL agreements with all participating countries ????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  23. shuravi
    shuravi April 11 2018 23: 50
    +2
    Quote: Borik
    I don’t understand something?
    Here under the Communists
    Here at the WTO.
    And what's the catch?
    A photo of the plane flies. Well, then what?



    Do you see any difference between the planes?
    1. Borik
      Borik April 12 2018 11: 33
      +1
      I have only one photo so there is nothing to compare.
  24. Beltasir matyagu
    Beltasir matyagu April 12 2018 01: 33
    0
    If Russia leaves various organizations, no one will listen to her voice at all
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  28. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint April 12 2018 02: 58
    0
    they sometimes just kill. Of course you need to go out. but through the courts. according to the rules. but I want to chop everything. will this circus be paid from your budget?
  29. Wolka
    Wolka April 12 2018 05: 00
    +1
    war is war, and nobody canceled current affairs, it is surprising that there is a complete lack of unanimity of the people elected in the struggle for domestic markets
  30. sleeve
    sleeve April 12 2018 05: 36
    0
    Does horseradish file bills? Engage in public discussion. Clarify the position on the numbers. Everything in them (numbers) should be simple: "people, we will neutralize all WTO preferences with our taxes." And then forward, on the basis of a public petition with a million or more signatures.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 12 2018 05: 58
      +1
      Quote: sleeve
      In them (numbers) everything should be simple

      There is no “in numbers" "simple." Excuse me request
      1. sleeve
        sleeve April 12 2018 06: 06
        0
        Sometimes, excuse me. And "does not happen" among those who position themselves smarter than all. Not professors invented mathematics, but mathematics invented professors. And if someone thinks that a simple person will not understand and understand. So this “someone” does not know how to explain, or is trying to make money on it.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 12 2018 06: 17
          +1
          Quote: sleeve
          Not professors came up with mathematics, but mathematics came up with professors

          GYYY good laughing good
          Exactly.
          And brakes came up with cowards yes
          Quote: sleeve
          And "does not happen" for those who position themselves smarter than all

          I didn’t run into you. Until.
          The Ministry of Health warned (s).
          Quote: sleeve
          It happens, sorry

          Nah ... in real life, everything is very complicated. Some things can be simplified when it comes to qualitative analysis. “Entries-exits” to the WTO is not the case, and the decision here must be carefully substantiated. Using very special knowledge and, accordingly, terms. Plebs is obviously incomprehensible.
          Quote: sleeve
          And if someone thinks that a simple person will not understand and understand. So this "someone" does not know how to explain

          A cook cannot rule the state.
          I will tell you more - the trolley bus driver cannot control the plane. That is, of course, he can ... try. But the result is personally obvious to me request
          Quote: sleeve
          can't explain, or tries to make money on it

          La la la ...
          You, probably, are well able to explain, since you throw so widely presented.
          Explain to me, for God's sake, what is a ... non-commutative ring, for example.
          Simple, understandable and, if possible, without the use of special terminology.
          Waiting for wink
          1. sleeve
            sleeve April 12 2018 06: 58
            0
            I apologize if it smelled of hitting. I am discussing on the run. Nope I can not explain about commutative rings. I teach children, who then must learn about rings, secondary systems, valence formations, social layers, mechanical similarity, and well ... for example, fluctuations. And then I myself am at the very bottom of the pyramid of knowledge. Absolutely not important foundation for the roof.
          2. sleeve
            sleeve April 12 2018 07: 06
            0
            Well, of course I agree that you need to weigh and calculate. He sculpted his post out of dislike for the current Communists (although I myself have an understanding of socialist ideas). Therefore, the main idea is to appeal to the people with understandable meanings in their statements. In my heart, I agree with you about "difficult, simple", but something tells you that the "slogans" do not own the method of "guitar" as they century old ancestors. So the result, alas, will be corresponding.
            It is necessary to wind with the WTO, but how and where? So far, a duplicate system capable of normally preserving the potential of at least our economy is not visible. Here, as it were, in short. And then suddenly you, my dear, the thought arises that the post personally concerns you. Especially since you work in the Ministry of Health as I understand it. With a pack of cigarettes, I'm already scared. Well, actually something like that ...
  31. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 12 2018 06: 55
    +1
    In principle, this is logical. The WTO lobbied for the Russian "iron" "kings" sitting on the export of metals. Now, due to comprehensive sanctions against these "kings" (and not only), the whole point of being in the WTO has been lost. Now the WTO is even harmful because it allows you to “pump up rights” for example to the same Western carriers and transit countries.
    1. your1970
      your1970 April 12 2018 11: 47
      0
      it’s not even interesting to discuss - there is no knowledge among the interlocutors about what the WTO is in general, why it is, why we started to climb there since the time of Khrushchev ....
  32. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur April 12 2018 09: 42
    0
    As they began to impose sanctions, it was necessary to leave.
  33. Urantian
    Urantian April 12 2018 10: 58
    +1
    First you need to “get out” all the liberals from the Russian government ...
  34. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya April 12 2018 12: 18
    0
    And it was not necessary to enter into this stinking heap of G, called the WTO ... and now you’ll get the hell out of there.
  35. shuravi
    shuravi April 12 2018 13: 01
    +1
    Quote: Borik
    I have only one photo so there is nothing to compare.



    And so?

    1. Borik
      Borik April 12 2018 14: 51
      +1
      And what do you dislike about our aircraft.
    2. Civilian
      Civilian April 12 2018 21: 09
      0
      The share of imported components in MS-21 is about 40, if equip it being developed UEC with PD-14 engine (with the American Pratt & Whitney, the percentage of domestic units will be less).
      “If, it will be, the flight will pass, it will become the best, get ahead .., will have the opportunity,”. This, Vladimir, is all of the articles about this beautiful liner, which should take place ...
      What if not "IF"?
      Or that "better" "IF" all of a sudden. One dollar can be bought for 200-300, approximately rubles. Purely hypothetically?
      And the one in the top photo seems to have already been operated. And how many people worked to fly it (we begin the counting with a forester who grew a Christmas tree, from which a pencil was made, with which draftsman Petya drew a bolt, which ..... continue on yourself? wink )
      recourse
  36. shuravi
    shuravi April 12 2018 19: 44
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    Quote: Borik
    And what do you dislike about our aircraft.


    Why did you get such nonsense?
    1. Borik
      Borik April 12 2018 21: 49
      +1
      I’m not thinking at all.
      1- Are you for the western aviation industry? And all their planes are the top of perfection and reliability.
      2-Are you for the domestic aviation industry? But Soviet aircraft .... ???????
      Although now we already have the Russian aircraft industry.
  37. shuravi
    shuravi April 12 2018 22: 01
    +1
    Quote: Borik
    I’m not thinking at all.
    1- Are you for the western aviation industry? And all their planes are the top of perfection and reliability.
    2-Are you for the domestic aviation industry? But Soviet aircraft .... ???????
    Although now we already have the Russian aircraft industry.


    You are now thinking the wrong way. I just showed what happened under the Communists, and what happened during the shit with their WTO.
    1. Civilian
      Civilian April 14 2018 00: 35
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      Quote: shuravi
      You are now thinking the wrong way. I just showed what happened under the Communists, and what happened during the shit with their WTO.

      Fuck you, Christmas trees. smile
      Vladimir, you spoke so "floridly" at the beginning. recourse , I honestly also misunderstood you, sorry. hi smile
  38. shuravi
    shuravi April 14 2018 13: 06
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    Quote: Civilian
    Quote: shuravi
    You are now thinking the wrong way. I just showed what happened under the Communists, and what happened during the shit with their WTO.

    Fuck you, Christmas trees. smile
    Vladimir, you spoke so "floridly" at the beginning. recourse , I honestly also misunderstood you, sorry. hi smile


    Accepted. Then another explanation:

    Aeroflot of the USSR: USSR flag on a Soviet-made aircraft with Soviet registration.

    Aeroflot of the Russian Federation: the flag of the Russian Federation on an American-made aircraft with British registration (Bermuda, this is the possession of Britain).

    So when they, the British, last inspected Aeroflot’s plane, they were in their own right.