Is Stalin a wise leader or an inhuman tyrant? Data from the Levada Center

The Levada Center publishes the results of a survey of public opinion about the attitude of Russians towards the personality of Joseph Stalin. Analysis Studies show that the level of negative perception of Stalin in Russia over the past few years has decreased significantly.

The first question asked to respondents:

To what extent do you agree or disagree with the following judgment: “Stalin is a wise leader who led the USSR to power and prosperity?”

57% of respondents answered that they completely agree or generally agree with this judgment. 18% noted their disagreement. The rest did not give a clear answer.

Second question:

To what extent do you agree or disagree with the following judgment: “Whatever mistakes and faults are attributed to Stalin, the most important thing is that under his leadership our people won the Great Patriotic War”?

This was supported by the thesis 64% of respondents. 14% of respondents did not agree with him.

Third question:

To what extent do you agree or disagree with the following proposition: “Stalin is a cruel, inhuman tyrant guilty of exterminating millions of innocent people”?

44% expressed agreement or partial agreement, 26% disagree with the thesis.

Fourth question:

To what extent do you agree or disagree with the following proposition: “our people can never do without a leader of a type like Stalin, who will come and put things in order”?

Here, 33% of the respondents agreed, 37% did not agree, and about 30% abstained from a clear answer.

By the way, 1% of respondents said they did not know who Stalin was.

Noteworthy is the comparison with data from a similar survey in Ukraine (February 2018). There, they know nothing about Stalin: 2% of respondents, 14% refer to the “leader of nations” with admiration, respect or sympathy. With fear, hatred or hostility - significantly more: 42%.

They declared an indifferent attitude to Stalin 31% of Russians surveyed and about the same (30%) citizens of Ukraine.

Comments

[Grandfather]

it depends. but the Empire he created is a fact

[Logall]

By the way, 1% of respondents said they did not know who Stalin was.

Need to be reminded! Especially in the Caucasus !!!

[Alexander Ra]

In China, they remember: 5 Chinese people squeezed their sides and broke their nose to an American diplomat who did not politely mention Stalin.

[yehat]

and when did this happen?

[Major Yurik]

Quote: yehat

and when did this happen?

Hope!

[Alexander Ra]

"An American cultural attache in the PRC Robert Ford gave a speech at a contemporary art exhibition in Shanghai. During his speech, the diplomat inadvertently criticized ex-USSR head Joseph Stalin. The attache publicly stated his joy that Chinese art has receded from tradition bloody Stalinism and moved to a modern form.

The saying of the American diplomat did not like the Chinese. After his careless words, five people publicly attacked the politician, threw him to the floor and severely beat him. Only the police who arrived at the scene of the incident could stop the angry Chinese. According to the information portal, Robert Ford had a broken nose, and multiple hematomas from kicking were recorded all over his body. As a result of the injuries, the American attache will spend several weeks in the hospital ....
Source: https://politexpert.net/99873-za-stalina-otvetil-
amerikanskomu-attashe-fordu-publichno-slomali-nos
-v-kitae? utm_source = politobzor.net

[yehat]

probably this is what you should do when they try to pour shit on you

[Lelek]

Quote: yehat

probably this is what you should do when they try to pour shit on you

This is exactly what Stalin did when the fascist Hitler, the fascist Mussolini, the fascist Oswald Mosley and the Russophobe Churchill, the enemy Truman, the fascist Franco and other petty creatures on the other side of the board.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Alexander Ra

After his careless words, five people publicly attacked the politician, threw him to the floor and severely beat him.

Respect and respect for the adequate Chinese.

[Hire]

I wonder why Stalin still does not give them peace. Constantly returning and returning to it. This already looks like some kind of specific liberal disease.

[Nick]

Quote: Hire

I wonder why Stalin still does not give them peace. Constantly returning and returning to it. This already looks like some kind of specific liberal disease.

Yeah. Political diarrhea ...

[captain]

Quote: Hire

I wonder why Stalin still does not give them peace. Constantly returning and returning to it. This already looks like some kind of specific liberal disease.

You dig into the biographies of those liberals who blame Stalin the most. The bulk are the descendants of the great Leninists, executed and or convicted. Especially among those who came with Lenin and Trotsky. As a rule, Russophobes, who believe that before 1917 Russia was a country of barbarians and keep .. mord, according to the classics of Marxism-Leninism. They hate everything that is connected with Russia before 1917. Believing that without Marx, Engels and Lenin, Russia was never inhabited by people - all were savages or slaves. They write ohinea that they created nuclear weapons and industry, but at the same time they cannot explain the successes of the USA, Japan, India, Germany and other countries where the communist government was not close. Fiercely hated by Russians, read their comments. Pouring combustible tears over Sverdlov, Trotsky, Uritsky and other comrade-in-arms of Lenin. They shout with a cry about the unfortunate Russian people, whom they humiliate in the former Union republics, but forget to say; who created them, how they created them, why they created them, and at the expense of what people. Lenin is praised for having closed historical and philosophical faculties at universities and has banned the teaching of Russian history in schools (Stalin revived). They are proud of the destruction of Orthodoxy and the Cossacks. With enthusiasm, praising the first Lenin Constitution, in which the voice of the shopkeeper in the city was equal to the five votes of peasants (in Russia there were over 90% of the population peasants). In 1936, Stalin corrected these Marxist guys, equalized everyone. They are proud of their red flag, showing everyone how they despise Russia, the Russians and other peoples living in Russia. They write that the flag of the Russian Federation was borrowed in Holland and at the same time they do not bother to look at the flag of Holland, France, Serbia, Croatia ... They don’t know where the red flag came from and what it meant before 1905. In short, the bulk of them, judging by the flag, statements about the Russian people and their history until 1917, the French, Germans, Poles, Latvians, Jews ... but not Russian. People like Kudrin, Chubais, Gaidar ....

[vladfill]

Well, where is his slogan from “GROWTH”? Fair evaluation of dummy text
from under the liberalist.

[Hire]

Quote: captain

You dig into the biographies of those liberals who blame Stalin the most.

You suggested an interesting idea ... It turns out that ideologically our society is not divided into (relatively speaking) “imperials” and “communists” (or, as they like to call each other - “bulkhrusts” and “red-bellied”), but “monarchists” "," Leninists "," Stalinists "and unprincipled" liberals ". Moreover, the most tenacious of them are the "liberals". Well, just like cockroaches! They still managed to wedge between the monarchy and the Soviets.

[captain]

Quote: Hire

Quote: captain

You dig into the biographies of those liberals who blame Stalin the most.

You suggested an interesting idea ... It turns out that ideologically our society is not divided into (relatively speaking) “imperials” and “communists” (or, as they like to call each other - “bulkhrusts” and “red-bellied”), but “monarchists” "," Leninists "," Stalinists "and unprincipled" liberals ". Moreover, the most tenacious of them are the "liberals". Well, just like cockroaches! They still managed to wedge between the monarchy and the Soviets.

On the example of the biography of Gaidar; Pope Rear Admiral Political Worker, grandfather of the great Soviet writer, Yegorushka himself editor of the journal "Communist" (nomenclature of the Central Committee of the CPSU). And his kids ask where and how.

[Conserp]

Well, yes, Yegor Gaidar is exactly the same Vlasovite traitor as you are.

[captain]

Quote: Conserp

Well, yes, Yegor Gaidar is exactly the same Vlasovite traitor as you are.

And Gorbachev, and Yakovlev, And Shevarnadze? .....
Excuse me, your Leninist codl; Chubais (dad is the head of the Department of Marxism-Leninism at the Lviv Political School) and other real Leninists, not to me, but to you relatives; starting with Brigadier Commissar Zhilenkov (member of the Military Council of the 32 Army) and ending with General Secretary Gorbachev and his accomplices, excuse the villains, like you.

[Conserp]

Quote: captain

And Gorbachev, and Yakovlev, And Shevarnadze? .....

Obviously, also your friends and colleagues in the Vlasov workshop.

[yehat]

Vlasov has nothing to do with the processes that gave rise to these figures. You can’t dress everyone who went down the normal path in one piece of clothing, as now all of Ukraine has become addicted to be recorded as fascists.

[Conserp]

Quote: yehat

Vlasov has nothing to do with the processes that gave rise to these figures.

In fact, the character is the full equivalent. Keywords -
opportunism and money-grubbing.

Well, this "captain" is really closer to Bandera and Krasnodar than to Vlasov. Ideological Russophobe.

Quote: yehat

as now all Ukraine is accustomed to write in the Nazis.

Yes? It’s strange. I have never heard this from anyone other than the Bandera great propagandists themselves.

[Lavrenti Pavlovich]

Quote: captain

Quote: Hire

Quote: captain

You dig into the biographies of those liberals who blame Stalin the most.

You suggested an interesting idea ... It turns out that ideologically our society is not divided into (relatively speaking) “imperials” and “communists” (or, as they like to call each other - “bulkhrusts” and “red-bellied”), but “monarchists” "," Leninists "," Stalinists "and unprincipled" liberals ". Moreover, the most tenacious of them are the "liberals". Well, just like cockroaches! They still managed to wedge between the monarchy and the Soviets.

On the example of the biography of Gaidar; Pope Rear Admiral Political Worker, grandfather of the great Soviet writer, Yegorushka himself editor of the journal "Communist" (nomenclature of the Central Committee of the CPSU). And his kids ask where and how.

Grandfather would have strangled his geek granddaughter with his own hands.

[captain]

Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich

Quote: captain

Quote: Hire

Quote: captain

You dig into the biographies of those liberals who blame Stalin the most.

You suggested an interesting idea ... It turns out that ideologically our society is not divided into (relatively speaking) “imperials” and “communists” (or, as they like to call each other - “bulkhrusts” and “red-bellied”), but “monarchists” "," Leninists "," Stalinists "and unprincipled" liberals ". Moreover, the most tenacious of them are the "liberals". Well, just like cockroaches! They still managed to wedge between the monarchy and the Soviets.

On the example of the biography of Gaidar; Pope Rear Admiral Political Worker, grandfather of the great Soviet writer, Yegorushka himself editor of the journal "Communist" (nomenclature of the Central Committee of the CPSU). And his kids ask where and how.

Grandfather would have strangled his geek granddaughter with his own hands.

Did he tell you personally, or did you come up with? Gaidar’s dad was rear-admiral political worker, but he didn’t tell this to his son. You are nonsense, associates of Marx and Russophobia.

[yehat]

everything is not going smoothly with grandfather. Read the story of this writer.

[ver_]

..Arkady Gaidar - literary * drove * Golikov ..

[Dart2027]

Quote: Hire

our society is not divided into (relatively speaking) "imperials" and "communists" (or, as they like to call each other - "bulkhrusts" and "red-bellied"), but into "monarchists", "Leninists", "Stalinists" and unprincipled "liberals"

The division is somewhat more complicated and depends on many factors and evaluation criteria. For example, the same Stalin can safely be attributed to emperors.

[Conserp]

According to the principles of the principle, Stalin really was the emperor since 1941, concentrating in one hand different positions and powers.

By 1945, he became emperor in the literal sense: a victorious commander.

But by no means in the monarchical sense.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Conserp

But by no means in the monarchical sense.

In the UK, they did not give a damn about all sorts of beautiful theories, and in fact established a monarchy in the literal sense. What is curious - the US bombed Yugoslavia and Iraq did not dare to attack Eun, even during its de facto sovereignty in the world. Maybe it would be better for Stalin to appoint his son as a successor, he was not without flaws, but he knew how to work.

[Conserp]

If you look objectively, "from the point of view of an alien," North Korea in all its quirks is no different from the rest of Southeast Asia. Wherever you spit - from Japan to Thailand - everywhere a military dictatorship or monarchy with all the signs of a religious cult and veneration. Or the same thing, but playing the "cult" cargo cult, as in South Korea.
Deeply patriarchal societies with a specific oriental culture are everywhere there.

The fact that the son should take the place of the father is self-evident there for everyone. Although, in fact, Eun’s power is symbolic, until his personal authority develops, what he is actively engaged in.

The US has already tried to bomb Vietnam and Korea itself. A third of the population was killed there (which is why Koreans have such an internal core of patience and intransigence). But they raided themselves in such a way that since then they have attacked only the weakest and most defenseless type of Iraq.

Pseudomonarchy or not - nothing to do with it.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Conserp

Pseudomonarchy or not - nothing to do with it.

Why, the monarchy is either there or not.

[Conserp]

It remains only to say such a thing about baldness or obesity.

The monarchy is a complex phenomenon that has a ton of forms and gradations. This is not a one bit state.

[yehat]

this contradicted all the personnel work that Stalin had spent so much work with over the past 15-20 years.

[Dart2027]

Quote: yehat

it was contrary to all personnel work

That's just the result of the work was sad.

[starogil]

Well, rummaged and what .....? And here are the Leninists:

The first Soviet government:

At the moment, the Council of People's Commissars is composed of the following persons:

Chairman of the Council - Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin); - Russian (approx.ed.)
People's Commissar for Internal Affairs - A. I. Rykov; - Russian
Agriculture - V.P. Milyutin; - Russian
Labor - A. G. Shlyapnikov; - Russian
For military and naval affairs - a committee composed of: V. A. Ovseenko (Antonov), N. V.
Krylenko and P.E. Dybenko; - Russian - Russian - Russian
For trade and industry - V.P. Nogin; - Russian
Public Education - A.V. Lunacharsky; - Russian
Finance - I.I. Skvortsov (Stepanov); - Russian
For foreign affairs - L. D. Bronstein (Trotsky); - jew
Justice - G.I. Oppokov (Lomov); - Russian
For food affairs - I. A. Teodorovich; - Pole
Mail and telegraphs - N.P. Avilov (Glebov); - Russian
Chairman for Nationalities - I.V. Dzhugashvili (Stalin). - georgian
The post of People’s Commissar for Rail Affairs temporarily remains unsubstituted. ”

Decree of the II All-Russian Congress of Soviets on the formation of the Workers 'and Peasants' Government.

[starogil]

Well, the foal, though .....

".... Pouring combustible tears over Sverdlov, Trotsky, Uritsky and other associates of Lenin ....."

Not tired of the tales of the "sinister, mysterious" Sverdlov? Stupid for 25 years, the Russian people perceive all periods of Soviet history through the prism of the current regime, which is really mysterious, it is not clear who is responsible for what, who makes decisions under the carpet, but it’s interesting. So the period 1917-1921. was the first and only period in history when the leadership lost its mystery, all executive and part of legislative decisions were taken by the Council of People's Commissars, where Lenin was just the chairman with the right of one vote, the presentation of the agenda and the signature on decrees and decrees. In the Army, all orders were issued by the PBC, or personally by Trotsky as Commander-in-Chief. There were no more authorities, including the party one. All, sometimes extreme, statements and resolutions of Lenin were of the nature of personal opinion and were not subject to execution. Sverdlov was not a member of the Council of People's Commissars, had no power at all, only influence in the party, he couldn’t issue any directives that were binding, he could speak out. All decrees and decrees of the Council of People's Commissars, as well as orders for the Army, have long been published and are not secrets; everything else is speculation designed for fools.

[Conserp]

Quote: starogil

All decrees and decrees of the Council of People's Commissars, as well as orders for the Army have long been published and are not secrets

In this case, "documents" of the type "To shoot everyone in Krasnodar!" in 1918 (when there was no “Krasnodar” on the map yet) they were published in print runs a thousand times larger and did not come out of the TV.

[vladfill]

..... they worked, however, Volkogonov - Kulm.

[Conserp]

Yeah, especially about the mass executions in non-existent cities.

[captain]

"In 1994 in the former archive of the Politburo, a letter was found of Heinrich Yagoda to Stalin on 27 on July 1935 in which Yagoda reported that Sverdlov’s personal safe had been discovered in the Kremlin’s commandant’s warehouse, which had not been opened for all 16 years since his death. There were gold coins of the tsar’s coinage for an astronomical amount (108 525 rubles), over seven hundred gold items with precious stones, many passport blanks and filled passports addressed to Sverdlov himself and to nobody known, bonds of the tsarist time, etc. " A true Leninist, a true communist.

[Conserp]

With trump cards I went!
That is, with a well-known and absolutely ridiculous fake.

[Orionvit]

Quote: captain

The bulk are the descendants of the great Leninists, executed and or convicted

Everything is according to Klimov, you won’t dig.

[rocket757]

All of our Soviet past does not give them peace and they are right! Nothing, ours still come back and there will be a holiday on our Zarechnaya street!

[captain]

Quote: rocket757

All of our Soviet past does not give them peace and they are right! Nothing, ours still come back and there will be a holiday on our Zarechnaya street!

Your first time in 1905 came, but could not set fire to the revolution. Helped the Japanese win the war. Then they came to 1917, and as a result of their reign, we lost over 4 million square meters. km territory (although the part was returned, Crimea, but it is very difficult for us to give it). 25 million Russians were thrown into the territory donated by Leninists to nationalists of all stripes. And if you recall the nineties and how the Russians were driven out of these union republics, then you begin to understand that with your arrival the Russians will be shot or hanged completely.

[Conserp]

Not tired of the Nazi slop from his head pour out?

Or do you have many more there in your head?

“Yours” were just the Russians.

The anti-Soviet is always Russophobe. Russophobe, shedding tears of crocodiles about the "Russian" - the worst of all.

[captain]

Quote: Conserp

Not tired of the Nazi slop from his head pour out?

Or do you have many more there in your head?

“Yours” were just the Russians.

The anti-Soviet is always Russophobe. Russophobe, shedding tears of crocodiles about the "Russian" - the worst of all.

In fact, the Soviets came up with the Socialist Revolutionaries. So you are for the Socialist Revolutionaries? Thank God, sorted out. That is, do you consider the suppression of the Kronstadt rebellion, the Tambov uprising, the Chepan war a crime?

[Alexander Ra]

In Stalin's time, the country in overstrain ensured the well-being of the next several generations. We are the third dozen years - the greatest mota on the planet. What extra effort will a recovery require for the prospect? How to "persuade" lovers of Turkey, Egypt, hangouts, beer, etc.?

[Slovak]

Quote: Logall

By the way, 1% of respondents said they did not know who Stalin was.

Need to be reminded! Especially in the Caucasus !!!

Can Levada Center be spread out already? According to Stalin, as enemies of the country. Together with Soros and other assistants.

[naidas]

Quote: Slovak

And can the Levada Center already be spread out

It is better to do it in the American way in the same years — to a labor camp (to work for soldering), or to a concentration camp on a national basis, well, you can send Charlie Chaplin (for anti-American activities) out of the country.

[Glory1974]

he created an empire

Not created, revived.

[Dead duck]

Quote: glory1974

Not created, revived.

practically created

[Varyag_0711]

glory1974 (glory) Today, 17:17 ↑ New
Not created, revived.

Do not lie, there was nothing to revive. Stalin created an empire that had not existed before him. Not a single king, even under Catherine the Great, created anything comparable to the USSR!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Varyag_0711

Do not lie, there was nothing to revive

Alexei, do not spray with sewage. Before the revolution, Russia was a great empire. And as always, one against all. Many breakthrough inventions were made by Russian scientists. Nikolashka all messed up. Like Gorbachev, by the way.

Quote: Varyag_0711

even under Catherine the Great, nothing comparable to the USSR was created!

Do you want to compare the cast-iron "unicorn" with the "Msta-S"?

[alex-cn]

by and large - it is possible. the unicorn fired a special grenade one and a half times farther than the "Central European" cannon

[just exp]

Well, yes, but Putin created an empire which even under Stalin did not exist.
if you think what happened, then show the Stalin missile defense or not a tube processor.
and yes, when Catherine didn’t create a single auto enterprise, not a single aircraft was built, not even a submarine was built at her place.

[Glory1974]

Not a single king, even under Catherine the Great, created anything comparable to the USSR!

Well, why? Under Catherine, she couldn’t shoot a gun in Europe without the approval of Russia. And the Crimea left us as a result of the struggle with the Ottoman Empire. Why belittle the achievements of ancestors?

[Dart2027]

Quote: glory1974

Under Catherine, she couldn’t shoot a gun in Europe without the approval of Russia

Can you provide a source of information?

[Glory1974]

Can you provide a source of information?

For example, notes by Segyur: “so that only the East bothered everyone. Catherine’s court became the center of European politics, all the people of the state looked to him. "

[Dart2027]

Quote: glory1974

Catherine’s yard became the focus of European politics, eyes were turned to him

It just does not follow from this that she dictated the will to all of Europe. She could become a load that dragged the scales, and these are somewhat different things.

[Glory1974]

It just does not follow from this that she dictated the will to all of Europe.

You can say so about the United States. And it’s possible in a slightly different way: the whole of Europe is vassals of the United States. Perhaps the question is what the focus is on.
In reality, both under Catherine 2 and under Stalin, the West reckoned with the empire.

[Dart2027]

Quote: glory1974

In reality, both under Catherine 2 and under Stalin, the West reckoned with the empire.

Of course it was considered. But to argue that under Catherine nor could she shoot a gun in Europe without Russian approval This is already too much.

[Glory1974]

not a single gun in Europe could fire without the approval of Russia, this is already too much.

Not. Not too much. Historians say so. Memoirs of a foreign ambassador:

In her reign, Russia became a European power. Petersburg took a prominent place between the capitals of the educated world, and the royal throne rose to the throne of the most powerful and significant. Such was the glorious nun, with whom I was in the capacity of ambassador.

1791, Chancellor A. A. Bezborodko, on behalf of Catherine 2, made a list of the achievements of her reign. And such was composed and looked very solid. The list included:

1. Provinces were established according to a new model: 29
2. Cities Built: 144
3. Conventions and treatises concluded: 30
4. Victories won: 78
5. Remarkable decrees issued: 88
6. Decrees to facilitate the people: 123
Total 492 cases.

Add to this that lands from Poland and Turkey with a population of up to 7 million were recaptured from Poland and Turkey; and the total population of the empire increased from 19 million people (1762 g.) to 36 million (1796 g.); army with 162 thousand people increased to 312 thousand; fleet with 21 battleships and 6 frigates reinforced to 67 battleships and 40 frigates; the amount of government revenue from 16 million rubles rose to 69 million rubles; the number of factories increased from 500 to 2 thousand; increased import - export of external Baltic trade from 9 million to 44 million rubles; increased import - export of foreign Black Sea (created by Catherine) trade from 390 thousand to 1 900 thousand rubles.

Having come to power, Catherine II managed to maintain neutrality in the Seven Years War, stop preparations for the war with Denmark, and weaken and eradicate Prussian influence at her court.

The territories of the Black Sea region, the North Caucasus and Crimea were under Turkish rule. In 1768, under a far-fetched pretext (referring to the fact that one of the units of the Russian army entered the Ottoman Empire in pursuit of the Poles participating in the rebellion of the Bara Confederation), the Turkish Sultan announced the beginning of the Russo-Turkish War, which lasted 6 years.
However, Russia won the war, and the territory of the Crimean Khanate formally became independent, but in fact fell into dependence on Russia. In addition, under the terms of the peace treaty, the northern coast of the Black Sea went to Russia. The border with the Ottoman Empire was moved to the Dniester. In addition, as a result of skillful manipulations of the empress, who managed to place the pro-Russian ruler on the throne of the Crimean Khanate, the Crimean Khanate also became part of Russia.
Prussia and Austria, realizing that Russian influence in Poland had significantly increased, suggested that the Russian Empire carry out the partition of the Commonwealth. The first section took place in 1772, as a result, Russia received part of the Latvian lands and the eastern part of Belarus. The next section occurred after the appeal of the citizens of the Commonwealth to Russia who opposed the adoption of the 1791 Constitution. As a result of the division approved at the Grodno Seim in 1793, Russia received Right-Bank Ukraine and Central Belarus, including Minsk. And finally, after the uprising of T. Kosciuszko, the last, third section took place in 1795, as a result of which the Commonwealth ceased to exist, and Russia expanded its territory through the annexation of Western Belarus, Courland, Lithuania and Volhynia.
Kartli-Kakheti Tsar Irakli II appealed to Russia to protect his state from the attacks of the Persians and Turks, and the Empress agreed, sending a small detachment to Georgia. After that, in 1783, the Russian Empire and the kingdom of Kartli-Kakheti signed an agreement ("St. George's Treaty"), according to which the kingdom became a protectorate of Russia in exchange for military protection.
In October 1782, Russia signed a cooperation agreement with Denmark. During the Austro-Prussian War (1778 - 1779 gg.), Catherine II acted as an intermediary between the parties, in fact, dictating her terms of reconciliation, and thereby restoring equilibrium in Europe.

[free]

Quote: Varyag_0711

glory1974 (glory) Today, 17:17 ↑ New
Not created, revived.

Do not lie, there was nothing to revive. Stalin created an empire that had not existed before him. Not a single king, even under Catherine the Great, created anything comparable to the USSR!

And Baba Yaga (Rotmistr) against!

[vovanpain]

Well, yes, taking the country with a plow, he left behind the great Power the Victorious with a nuclear umbrella, and from his things only boots and a tunic.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: vovanpain

Well, yes, taking the country with a plow,

Not with plow, but destroyed by a civil war. No need to belittle the achievements of Russia and the Russian people before the revolution.

Quote: vovanpain

left behind

And here you can’t argue, there was a great man. Sorry for the successor did not leave.

[vovanpain]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Not with plow, but destroyed by a civil war. No need to belittle the achievements of Russia and the Russian people before the revolution.

And no one belittles and the civil war did its job and the first world war.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: vovanpain

And no one belittles

What about plow seemed to me?

[vovanpain]

Quote: Ingvar 72

What about plow seemed to me?

But what if in 192 some year already plowed on tractors By the way, after 1945 they plowed the same plow on horses for several more years. But there is everything for the front, everything for the Victory. Wow what a pedant you are however.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: vovanpain

But what if in 192 some year already plowed on tractors

So in industrial England more and more on horseback!

Quote: vovanpain

Wow what a pedant you are however.

This is yes! (Do not confuse the letters! )

[vovanpain]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Wow! (Do not confuse the letters!

Well Igor what are you administration with moderation instantly correct

Quote: Ingvar 72

He had more tubes, and much more

By the way, I don’t remember who I read it from, but Stalin rarely smoked a pipe, more on posters and films, and in life he preferred to smoke cigarettes Herzegovina Flor.

[Nick]

Quote: Ingvar 72

a great man was. Sorry for the successor did not leave.

This is his only and main fault.

[Conserp]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Not with plow, but destroyed by a civil war.

Destroyed by tsarism, three lost wars, robbed of foreign capital, ruined by liberals and then civil war and external aggression. And with plow too.

Quote: Ingvar 72

No need to belittle the achievements of Russia and the Russian people before the revolution.

These achievements are about nothing, like an elephant shot and a dead poultice. In the matter of interstate competition, you need to run as fast as you can just to stay in place.

By the time of our revolution, the Russian Empire lagged behind the advanced countries by more than 100 years: they had revolutions that happened in the 17-18 centuries.

The last chances for the normal development of the country were profaned by a purulent tsarist regime and its parasitic "elite" back in the 1820s.
By the 1850s, the empire was already rotten through and through, and this became a clear fact.
In the 1860s, civil war became inevitable.
In the 1900s, she was already in full swing.

You need to know and understand the story before the revolution.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Conserp

Destroyed by tsarism

With the same fucking Nikolashka people got more than they do now. Good to blame everything on tsarism.

Quote: Conserp

By the time of our revolution, the Russian Empire was behind the advanced countries by more than 100 years:

Rave. The lag was, but not great, and from two or three countries. Popov, Sikorsky, the same Semashko was not the 17th great doctor.

Quote: Conserp

You need to know and understand the story before the revolution.

Yes need. But history needs to be learned from more than one source.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Conserp

You can simply keep silent about the millions of peasants dying of hunger.

My ancestors were peasants, grandfather in Belarus, grandmother from Ukraine. I do not need to drive for the "hungry" peasants. They worked a lot, but did not starve. Families of village drunks, who after the revolution suddenly became proletarians, were starving.

Quote: Conserp

instead of statistics

You’ll find statistics on Google’s Google search, now it’s not a problem.

[Conserp]

Quote: Ingvar 72

You’ll find statistics on Google’s Google search

What about more than 80% of the population who have not received any salary in principle?

What to do with tsarist and lordly taxes and requisitions, which are also ignored by the bakers?

What to do with redemption payments, which according to tsarist forecasts could at best be paid already under Brezhnev?

What about the tsarist statistics on land and horse equities of peasants, according to which half of the population was on the verge of survival?

What about the tsarist statistics on the incidence of various regions of the country with hunger for decades - and the starvation of millions of Russian people with a simultaneous increase in grain exports?

What to do with tsarist statistics on the availability of medical care? The number of doctors and paramedics per 100 thousand and the average distance to the doctor? Elementary literacy, accessibility even to primary education?

Why weren't the Bolsheviks, but the Tsar’s commander in chief, personally saying that “40% of new recruits first tried meat in the army”?

Why did the tsarist counterintelligence chief also write about systematic mass famine and impending collapse?

What about tsarist statistics on thousands of punitive operations to forcefully suppress the speeches of hungry peasants?

All this is also in Google!

How much can you lie?

Quote: Ingvar 72

My ancestors were peasants ...

"I myself am a Crimean, daughter of an officer!" (C)

Quote: Ingvar 72

Families of village drunks, who after the revolution suddenly became proletarians, were starving.

Nazi liberal classics.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Conserp

"I myself am a Crimean, daughter of an officer!" (c)

Then what should I talk about with you?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Conserp

Ruined by tsarism, three lost wars

What are these?

Quote: Conserp

By the time of our revolution, the Russian Empire lagged behind the advanced countries by more than 100 years: they had revolutions that happened in the 17-18 centuries.

That is, the level of the state depends on the number of revolutions?

Quote: Conserp

The last chances for the normal development of the country were profaned by a purulent tsarist regime and its parasitic "elite" back in the 1820s.

And why then?

[Conserp]

Quote: Dart2027

What are these?

Crimean, Russian-Japanese, First World War.

Quote: Dart2027

That is, the level of the state depends on the number of revolutions?

On a large scale, that’s it.

Revolutions distinguish such:
1. Neolithic (agricultural)
2. Slaveholding
3. Feudal
4. Bourgeois (capitalist)
5. Socialist

When the "partners" had already developed capitalism, Russia was stuck in terry feudalism.

Well, at least not in primitiveness, like half of Africa.

Quote: Dart2027

And why then?

After 1812, Russia bent over Europe - but everything was profaned. Instead of becoming the world hegemon (or at least the second after Britain), its own economy was ruined, ideology went into a deadlock and regressed.
The Decembrists wanted to correct this trend and didn’t. Their loss meant (within the framework of the ruling elite) the loss of progressive forces and the gain of purely parasitic and degenerate forces.

By the 1850s, the pro-framing of imperial greatness led to the infamous Crimean War - where European powers bent Russia.

In 1905, the empire was even more shamefully bent by "some second-rate power".

And the peasants all this time millions died of hunger and unsanitary conditions, while the "holy" king shot cats and ravens. (And at the same time the same peasants, but did not write about them in diaries).

[Dart2027]

Quote: Conserp

Crimean, Russian-Japanese, First World War.

Quote: Conserp

By the 1850s, the pro-framing of imperial greatness led to the infamous Crimean War - where European powers bent Russia.

All the strongest countries of Europe, plus Turkey, which had at their disposal not the best but fully combat-ready troops, and as a result were able to capture several cities on the outskirts, united against RI. And at the peace talks, RI sent almost all of their Wishlist, except for a temporary abandonment of the fleet, which in fact was not. You don’t know about the initial plans of the allies voiced by the English minister?

Quote: Conserp

In 1905, the empire was even more shamefully bent by "some second-rate power".

Behind which stood England and the USA, in fact creating from it a modern state precisely for the war with RI. It’s just that Japan, who had exhausted all resources, was saved from defeat by revolutionaries financed from unknown sources, which forced the government to switch to an internal clutter.
Well, Germany lost in WWI if you are not in the know.

Quote: Conserp

When the "partners" had already developed capitalism, Russia was stuck in terry feudalism.

And the English lords are not feudalism?

Quote: Conserp

The Decembrists wanted to correct this trend and didn’t. Their loss meant (within the framework of the ruling elite) the loss of progressive forces and the gain of purely parasitic and degenerate forces.

Are you talking about those Decembrists who wanted to abolish the army and divide the country into national republics in the spirit of the USSR? Thank God that these "saviors" were stopped.

Quote: Conserp

And at the same time the same peasants, but did not write about them in diaries

Will there be a source of information?

[Conserp]

As I understand it, you don’t want to understand anything stupidly. And even basic analysis skills are not.

Why think something about cause-effect relationships when you can give ready-made stamps reduced to single-bitness as an answer?

Quote: Dart2027

All the strongest European countries united against RI

But what made them "strongest", didn’t try to think?

Well, it happened. Well? They did not have a numerical superiority - just the opposite.
And there was no technical superiority.

Just more developed industrial countries with strategically modern armies went against an agrarian country with an army of the 18th century.

And they won by logistics, transferring and supplying expeditionary forces thousands of km from the bases by orders of magnitude better than Russia could supply its army on its own territory.

Quote: Dart2027

Well, Germany lost in WWI if you are not in the know.

Did Russia win? "Halva, halva!"

Quote: Dart2027

the revolutionaries saved Japan from exhaustion

And the defeat of Germany in the WWI was arranged by the Jews!

Hybrid madhouse and kindergarten.

Quote: Dart2027

And the English lords are not feudalism?

You probably think that in the USA there was a slave system?

Quote: Dart2027

Are you talking about those Decembrists who wanted to abolish the army and divide the country into national republics in the spirit of the USSR?

First of all, this is nonsense.
Secondly, even this your nonsense is better than what was done in real life.

Quote: Dart2027

Will there be a source of information?

Try to read at least a school textbook. At least about where Lenin got such a pseudonym for seed.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Conserp

But what made them "strongest", didn’t try to think?

Well, express your thoughts, demonstrate erudition

Quote: Conserp

They did not have a numerical superiority - just the opposite.
And there was no technical superiority.

That is, the combined armies of England, France, Turkey and Italy who fought in the Crimea, plus do not forget about the armies of Germany and Austria-Hungary threatening the central regions of the Republic of Ingushetia. were fewer than Russian troops? Where did you get this from? In Crimea alone there were 600000 British and French who simply overwhelmed the defenders of Sevastopol.

Quote: Conserp

And they won by logistics, transferring and supplying expeditionary forces thousands of km from the bases by orders of magnitude better than Russia could supply its army on its own territory.

You do not know, but supplying by sea has always been an order of magnitude easier than by land. I already wrote about the numerical superiority.

Quote: Conserp

Did Russia win? "Halva, halva!"

She did not lose to Germany, but to revolutionaries of all stripes who ruined the army.

Quote: Conserp

And the defeat of Germany in the WWI was arranged by the Jews!

That is, essentially nothing to say? If you read Krivosheev, the Japanese lost 86000 killed against 43000 from RI, and there is also a book by Japanese professor Okamoto Shumpei, "Japanese oligarchy in the Russo-Japanese War," with examples of what the Japanese general thought about the continuation of the war.

Quote: Conserp

You probably think that in the USA there was a slave system?

In the era described, both the USA and England and France and Germany were slave states. It was simply called the beautiful word of the colony.

Quote: Conserp

First of all, this is nonsense.

Nikita Muravyov saw Russia as a federal state and, like the North American United States, it was divided into federal units, which he called powers.
Read more on the page: http://www.rosimperija.info/post/574

Quote: Conserp

Try to read at least a school textbook. At least about where Lenin got such a pseudonym for seed.

That is to say nothing?

Quote: Conserp

As I understand it, you don’t want to understand anything stupidly. And even basic analysis skills are not.

When there is nothing to say, they usually begin to be rude. Why think something about cause-effect relationships when you can give ready-made stamps reduced to single-bitness as an answer? Hybrid madhouse and kindergarten.

[Conserp]

Quote: Dart2027

She did not lose to Germany, but to revolutionaries of all stripes who ruined the army.

Oh well. But Germany itself was destroyed, of course, by the Jews.

It is useless to speak with such a level of judgment.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Conserp

Oh well. But Germany itself was destroyed, of course, by the Jews.

Never interested in this issue.
I understand that there are no objections about RI?

[Fox]

Quote: Ingvar 72

and destroyed by the civil war

then it’s not civilian but Patriotic ... how many neighbors were glad to shove their troops? 15, not?

[Logall]

Quote: vovanpain

of his things only boots and a tunic.

Brother, you forgot Kisset and the phone! Moreover, both that and another only in one copy ...

[vovanpain]

Quote: Logall

Quote: vovanpain

of his things only boots and a tunic.

Brother, you forgot Kisset and the phone! Moreover, both that and another only in one copy ...

And yes, Sanya still found five rubles in his trouser pocket and that’s all.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Logall

Moreover, both that and another only in one copy.

He had more pipes, and much more.

[yehat]

rather restored.

[Nick]

Quote: Dead Day

it depends. but the Empire he created is a fact

I’ll clarify. Restored.

[Secretparadox]

I do not want to upset you, but the Empire was created by Peter 1 in 1721, and Stalin and Lenin fought for its destruction.

[MrK]

Quote: Dead Day

but the Empire he created is a fact

I agree. But not only. Never before Stalin, nor after Stalin, not a single leader of Russia did not think about how to make the life of the common people better. And he achieved this.

[Secretparadox]

Certainly it was not Stalin who was thinking of making a better life for the people. Only Brezhnev, but certainly not Stalin, would approach this definition with a huge stretch of Soviet leaders.

[Ravik]

Definitely do not answer.

[dimy44]

The paranoid is that many ruined talented people, without whom the Red Army suffered huge losses. But the country was raised in the end, at the expense of the gulag, truth. But otherwise, wherever we are right now ... Everything is debatable.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: dimy44

due to the gulag the truth

Have you read Solzhenitsin?

[yehat]

I’m sure about the Gulag, you have heard nothing but Solzhenitsyn’s lies.
about the destruction of talented people is interesting! Trotsky was certainly a talent, as was Bela Kun.
True, they ruined thousands of people, but these little things are the main talent!
you would have studied facts, not fiction - maybe there would have been no debate.

[zyzx]

Quote: yehat

True, they ruined thousands of people.

Millions, billions.

[yehat]

Bela Kun in Ukraine personally participated in the executions of hundreds of people, even more signed execution documents. There was another fiery activist, Rosalia Zemlyachkova ...
it was they who became pioneers in the cause of red terror.
I will not speak about Trotsky, but I will say that Bela Kun cannot keep up with him.

[zyzx]

Revolution ser.

[Sewer krainiy]

90s ... the peak of anti-Sovietism. At a bus stop, a very elderly man broadcasts about the bloody Stalin, people are listening carefully. Suddenly, the same old man asks: "Have you been sitting? I spent 20 years under Stalin, but I can’t say anything bad about him." And silence ... the speaker shut up and not a word more. Here is a case I witnessed. And I remember the death of Stalin ... a column of crying people with red flags coming out of the village, black and red bandages on their hands ... Then I didn’t know that it had grown, I understood ...

[MrK]

Quote: Sewer Krainiy

And I remember the death of Stalin ... a column of crying people with red flags coming out of the village, black and red bandages on their hands ..

I think if people could imagine who would replace Stalin in 40-50 years, the country would be drowned in tears ...

[NEOZ]

Quote: dimy44

Paranoid, many ruined people, without whom the army suffered huge losses. But the country lifted in the end.

give examples from the story where the bloodthirsty paranoid and du * ak (only du * ak can ruin a lot) as a result, after the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia and the civil war, it conducts industrialization, wins the most difficult world war, makes an atomic bomb and provides such an impetus in development that its results are consumed still....

[zyzx]

Quote: dimy44

many ruined talented people

Is it Tukhlochevsky? Who said the power of the tank in speed? and thanks to which we would meet the 41st with cursive BT, and the KV and T-34 were cut off at the stage of the drawings?

[yehat]

Well, don’t really need to spread rot on Tukhachevsky. Not in everything he was right, but his interest in high-speed tanks was a feat in studying endurance of transmission and tanks became able to do long marches. He oversaw the work on self-propelled guns.

[zyzx]

Well, he also prepared such a little conspiracy .... and yes.
Yeah marches, so marching that almost all the tanks lost.

[Conserp]

Tukhachevsky was completely incompetent and terribly ambitious. And it seems to be mentally unhealthy.

Under his strict guidance, the army lost 5 thousand guns - for comparison, there were only 6 (six) guns in the rifle regiment.

And then the Germans had to stop bottles with gasoline near Moscow.

What can I say - a genius.

[DREDD]

ruined talented people

And how many future collaborators he ruined before the war. Wow, there’s no forgiveness for him!

[Nick]

Quote: dimy44

The paranoid is that many ruined talented people, without whom the Red Army suffered huge losses. But the country was raised in the end, at the expense of the gulag, truth. But otherwise, wherever we are right now ... Everything is debatable.

Do not repeat liberal nonsense. Stalin, of course, was a tough leader, but not cruel. In 2013, documents of that period were declassified. Examine the question. Read the works of the historian-archivist, Doctor of Sciences Yu.N. Zhukov. If you don’t like to read, at least look at the dock. the film "Stalin with us", created on the basis of documents declassified in 2013. He was on YouTube

[In h]

The question of the number of repressed officers
The most frequently cited figure in 40 is thousands of people, DA Volkogonov launched it, and Volkogonov clarified that the number of the repressed included not only those who were shot and imprisoned, but also simply dismissed without consequences.
After him, the “flight of fancy” had already begun - the number of people repressed by L. A. Kirchner is increasing to 44 thousands, and he says that it was half of the officer corps. The ideologist of the Central Committee of the CPSU, the “foreman of perestroika” A. N. Yakovlev, speaks of 70 thousands, moreover, he claims that they killed everyone. Rapoport and Geller increase the number to 100 thousand, V. Koval argues that Stalin destroyed almost the entire officer corps of the USSR.
What really happened? According to archival documents, from 1934 to 1939, 56785 people were laid off from the ranks of the Red Army. In the years 1937-1938, 35020 people were laid off, of which 19,1% (6692 people) - a natural decrease (deceased, laid off due to illness, disability, drunkenness, etc.), 27,2% (9506) of those arrested, 41,9, 14684% (11,8) were dismissed for political reasons, 4138% (1938) were foreigners (Germans, Finns, Estonians, Poles, Lithuanians, etc.) who were dismissed under the 6650 directive. 1937 people were later restored, were able to prove that they were dismissed unreasonably. In 1938-9579. 1938 commanders were arrested, of whom 1939 were reinstated in 1457-19106; 9247 people were dismissed for political reasons, XNUMX people were restored.
The exact number of the repressed (and not all were shot) in 1937-1939 - 8122 people and 9859 people dismissed from the army. In 1937, according to Voroshilov, there were 206 thousand command personnel in the army. By June 15, 1941, the number of commanding, commanding officers of the army (without political personnel, the Air Force, Navy, NKVD) was 439143, or 85,2% of the state. In the prewar years, the proportion of officers who received an academic education increased. In 1941, their percentage was the highest for the entire pre-war period - 7,1%, before mass repression in 1936, it was 6,6%.

[Lavrenti Pavlovich]

Quote: dimy44

The paranoid is that many ruined talented people, without whom the Red Army suffered huge losses. But the country was raised in the end, at the expense of the gulag, truth. But otherwise, wherever we are right now ... Everything is debatable.

No need to carry liberal nonsense, it was not Stalin who planted and shot him, but the court. During the reign of Stalin, about 800 thousand were spread out, only the end of the civil war had to be taken into account - the irreconcilable hands of which were shot in blood, embezzlers, pests were shot. World War II - what had to be done with the traitors (Bandera, Vlasov ...) forgave many and returned after serving time. In the Red Army they also shot, such freaks as Tukhachevsky - a shifter and mediocrity, but for some reason no one thinks how many different people were released after the proceedings, how many were spies. If now, and I believe that it is high time, return the death penalty for corruption, theft of state funds, treason, for wrecking, then half a million in a couple of years will have to be shot. Under Stalin, there was a RESPONSIBILITY of any leader for the work done, now rockets are falling, money is being stolen during the construction of the same cosmodrome - and that was detained and conditionally punished or given a ridiculous term. Under Stalin, prices fell — liberal grabbers will never forgive this, or how to explain the growing housing and communal services from year to year.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich

and the time of Stalin's rule was spread about 800 thousand

Less. 642980.

[MrK]

Quote: Dart2027

Less. Xnumx

Colleague. Subsequently, this figure was increased due to 282 926 executed under Art. 59 (especially dangerous banditry) and Art. 193 (military espionage). Entered here blood-washed Basmachi, Bandera, Baltic “forest brothers” and other especially dangerous, bloody bandits, spies and saboteurs. There is more human blood on them than water in the Volga. And they are also considered "innocent victims of Stalinist repression."

[StarCraft]

Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich

Quote: dimy44

The paranoid is that many ruined talented people, without whom the Red Army suffered huge losses. But the country was raised in the end, at the expense of the gulag, truth. But otherwise, wherever we are right now ... Everything is debatable.

No need to carry liberal nonsense, it was not Stalin who planted and shot him, but the court. During the reign of Stalin, about 800 thousand were spread out, only the end of the civil war had to be taken into account - the irreconcilable hands of which were shot in blood, embezzlers, pests were shot. World War II - what had to be done with the traitors (Bandera, Vlasov ...) forgave many and returned after serving time. In the Red Army they also shot, such freaks as Tukhachevsky - a shifter and mediocrity, but for some reason no one thinks how many different people were released after the proceedings, how many were spies. If now, and I believe that it is high time, return the death penalty for corruption, theft of state funds, treason, for wrecking, then half a million in a couple of years will have to be shot. Under Stalin, there was a RESPONSIBILITY of any leader for the work done, now rockets are falling, money is being stolen during the construction of the same cosmodrome - and that was detained and conditionally punished or given a ridiculous term. Under Stalin, prices fell — liberal grabbers will never forgive this, or how to explain the growing housing and communal services from year to year.

Oh yes, yes)) what the hell is the court? in a totalitarian USSR? ahah) for what they fought .. They wanted to leave the absolute monarchy, but in fact they came to it, a little modified. Stalin could both make a decision on the execution and on the pardon of anyone in the country. And no one could say a word to him, but you are a court, a court ..

[Dart2027]

Quote: dimy44

many ruined talented people, without whom the red army suffered huge losses

A couple of years ago I examined this issue in a discussion of an article on Tukhachevsky. In total, several thousand people were convicted, that is, stories about the defeat of the command of the army are greatly exaggerated. It’s just that in 1941 the Germans fought better - sadly, but a fact.

[naidas]

Well then, Roosevelt and the paranoid rotted people in concentration camps, and raised the United States at the expense of labor camps.

[RUSS]

Quote: dimy44

But the country was raised in the end, at the expense of the gulag, truth.

And with the help of the peasants.

[Looking Petrovich]

Quote: Dead Day

it depends. but the Empire he created is a fact

These polls are completely worthless. The people are like ...
In 1989, the Levada Center questioned the same people about the man of the year. Results:
1. Gorbachev, 35,3%
2. Sugars, 10,7%
3. Yeltsin, 5.5%
The same people in 30 years will say the opposite.

[RUSS]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

The same people in 30 years will say the opposite.

Absolutely, now Stalin is in fashion, in the mainstream, 10 years will pass and the polls will show a different result.

[Million]

And what did Putin create?

[Doliva63]

The myth of stability Few?

[Anti-Corr.]

Quote: Doliva63

The myth of stability is not enough?

As the discussion shows, for many of the glands

[just exp]

Well, if stability is a myth, then I wish you to return to the 90s.
Well, what, these times are no different from ours (in your opinion)

[Doliva63]

Find the difference: robbed then robbed now. Methods have changed, but not the point. I know one leader of the organized crime groups of the 90s, when they hunted by robberies, robberies and racketeering, were not afraid to shy away from the building of the regional government on occasion. Now they have stability, yes. Everything that was obtained through blood and crime was invested in structures that actively support the EP, ONF and President Putin. Leave your nonsense for internal use. Do not choke (this is out of politeness).

[just exp]

he created your future, as well as the future of your children, who, if not for him, would have lived in different independent republics, like the Ural Republic, the republic of independent Altai, the rich states of the Yamalonen shamanistic state (SH), or Khanty-Mansiyskland.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Million

Putin?

stopped the collapse of the state
eliminated brother
returned oil production to state ownership (the Yukos affair)
started and finished the 2nd Chechen company
strengthened the vertical of power
dismissed 7 bankers from power
after some time, economic growth began
education reform (USE, etc.) - admission to the university based on scores
army reform
police reform
tax inspection reform (electronic reports)
reform in the customs authorities (the fight against black schemes / gray introduction of electronic declaration)
fertility stimulation (uterine capital, etc.)
medical reform (emphasis on prevention, emphasis on risk groups and diagnostics, etc.)
fight against alcoholism / smoking. promotion of healthy lifestyles
Lately Russia looks like a huge construction site
return of Crimea
ps
what came to mind .... if you dig, you can still find a bunch
not all of the above is good, some projects, in my opinion, are unsuccessful.

[zoolu350]

A comprador state, where the oligarchy of the Russian Federation woolly (robs) the subject electorate (people)

[Lavrenti Pavlovich]

Quote: zoolu350

A comprador state, where the oligarchy of the Russian Federation woolly (robs) the subject electorate (people)

And you, specifically robbed a lot?

[zoolu350]

Enough to tear apart tanks by tens of thousands of individuals of the Russian oligarchy. My motherland-the USSR was stolen from me.

[Dart2027]

Quote: zoolu350

My motherland-the USSR was stolen from me.

All claims to the Central Committee of the CPSU. The current oligarchs were then nobody and no way to call.

[zoolu350]

The current oligarchy of the Russian Federation is one of the main beneficiaries of this process. So to smear your owners will not work.

[Dart2027]

Quote: zoolu350

The current oligarchy of the Russian Federation is one of the main beneficiaries of this process.

And nobody argues with this. That's just they did not destroy the USSR.

[zoolu350]

Continuing in the same vein? Oh well. Tagged and EBN are just the tip of the ugly iceberg that ruined the USSR. The main driving force was precisely the future individuals of the Russian oligarchy.

[Dart2027]

Quote: zoolu350

The main driving force was precisely the future individuals of the Russian oligarchy.

In the USSR there was a powerful system of special services with the highest qualifications, and a state apparatus that only those who headed the state could destroy.

[MrK]

Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich

My motherland-the USSR was stolen from me.

I agree.
I hate a tri-color hybrid over a holey fence
With a fake anthem, with a scepter in his left hand.
Here the young do not care, the loophole is trodden by a thief
Wastewater flows from cottages along a dirty river.

Only shit comes up here, and the kindest feelings are drowning.
Here, good is only a synonym for involvement in an oil pipe.
Good deed honored by a business thief constipation,
The worker here is doomed for a penny to die in labor.

Here I have not been an heir for a long time, while a settler
As if with a concussion on Stalingrad delirium.
Ruins, signs everywhere, what did the German write with us?
Who, then, defeated us, aphids, in the forty-fifth year?

Foreign speech: flash mobs and parties everywhere.
I’m not distinguishing a girl from a guy in a step
WHERE IS MY MOTHERLAND? MOTHERLAND, BITCHES, GIVE ON!
I’m not in it, I’m lighting a candle for you!

Such poems are written about the current life of the poetess Marina Shamsutdinova

[Doliva63]

Lavreniy Palych, you are not in interrogation; here you can also be a “you”
And robbed "by a lot", yeah. And you too. You definitely didn’t notice a loss of intelligence

[wicked pinnochio]

we have half of the youth after 90 years do not know when the Great Patriotic War began 41-45 years confused with another domestic

[scrap123]

To be precise at 39

[Million]

At 39 World War II began

[wicked pinnochio]

the Great Patriotic War began on July 41 at 22 or 3 in the morning

[just exp]

so at 3 or 4 o'clock Kiev was bombed, they informed us (announced) that the war had begun?

[yehat]

the great patriotic began in the 41st, ww2 began in China in the 36th it seems
Germany began the war in the 39th. In Spain, the war began in the 36th, where both Germany and the USSR participated. Italy started the war in Ethiopia in the 36th.
Are you sure you are accurate?
And finally, about the light of peace and democracy
1901 - the introduction of troops in Colombia.
1902 - the invasion of Panama.
1904 - the entry of troops into Korea, Morocco and the Dominican Republic.
1905 - American troops intervene in the revolution in Honduras.
1905 - the entry of troops into Mexico
1905 - the entry of troops into Korea.
1906 - invasion of the Philippines.
1906 - 1909 - US troops enter Cuba during the election.
1907 - US forces implement the protectorate of "dollar diplomacy" in Nicaragua.
1907 - US troops intervene in revolution in Dominican Republic
1907 - American troops participate in the war of Honduras with Nicaragua.
1908 - US troops enter Panama during elections.
1910 - The United States sent armed forces to Nicaragua and organized an anti-government conspiracy.
A junta of pro-American generals was formed in 1910.
1911 - Americans land in Honduras.
1911 - Suppression of the anti-American uprising in the Philippines.
1911 - the introduction of troops in China.
1912 - US troops enter Havana (Cuba).
1912 - US troops enter Panama during elections.
1912 - the invasion of American troops in Honduras.
1912-1933 - occupation of Nicaragua. In 1914, a treaty was signed in Washington under which the United States was granted the right to build an interoceanic canal in Nicaragua.
1914 - US troops enter the Dominican Republic, the battle with the rebels for Santa Domingo.
1914-1918 is a series of invasions of Mexico.
1914-1934 - Haiti. After numerous uprisings, America introduces its troops, the occupation continues for 19 years.
1916-1924 - The 8-year occupation of the Dominican Republic.
1917-1933 - the military occupation of Cuba, an economic protectorate.
1917-1918 - participation in the 1-th World.
1918-1922 - intervention in Russia. In total, 14 states participated in it. Active support was provided for the territories separated from Russia - Kolchakia and the Far Eastern Republic.
1918-1920 - Panama. After the election, troops are introduced to suppress the riots.
1919 - COSTA RICA. ... The landing of US troops to "protect American interests."
1919 - American troops are fighting on the side of Italy against the Serbs in Dolmatia.
1919 - US troops enter Honduras during the election.
1920 - Guatemala. 2 weekly intervention.
1921 - American support for militants fighting to overthrow Guatemalan president Carlos Herrera for the benefit of the United Fruit Company.
1922 - intervention in Turkey.
1922-1927 - American troops in China during the popular uprising.
1924-1925 - Honduras. Troops invade the country during the election.
1925 - Panama. US troops disperse the general strike.
1926 - Nicaragua. Invasion.
1927-1934 - American troops stationed throughout China.
1932 - invasion of Salvador from the sea. There was a rebellion there at that time.
1937 - Nicaragua. With the help of American troops, the dictator of Somos comes to power, having replaced the legitimate government of H. Sakasa.
1939 - the introduction of troops in China.

[wicked pinnochio]

Well, about the year and day, I was not mistaken

[astepanov]

Quote: Angry Pinnochio

we have half of the youth after 90 years do not know when the Great Patriotic War began 41-45 years confused with another domestic

After ninety years, this is no longer youth. This, I would say, is already youth. By the way, how can you make five mistakes in a phrase of 15 words?

[wicked pinnochio]

I had a trio in Russian, I do not deny this, and after 90 I had in mind that the so-called millennium generation were born in 2000

[just exp]

this is because they are not millennium, they are linoleum.
well, in the sense of iq, both there (generation) and there (flooring) are identical.

[wicked pinnochio]

Do you want to say the generation of iPhones and smartphones?

[just exp]

rather applications to an iPhone or smartphone.
I remember the first smarts, there the owner was still smarter than the phone, although he was smart. But now, my intuition tells me that in 99% the phone will be smarter than the owner.

[sharp-lad]

I checked my smart right after the purchase! It turned out to be dumber than me! He did not understand what I wanted from him and I had to read the instructions.
There is no dumb youth (almost none), there are not accustomed to using brains.

[astepanov]

Gregory, please excuse me. Pretty rude happened. Face to face, I would not have allowed myself such a thing. I apologize again, do not hold evil.

[NEOZ]

Quote: astepanov

make five mistakes?

victim of adjustment!

[Gordarik]

Quote: wicked pinnochio

we have half of the youth after 90 years do not know when the Great Patriotic War began 41-45 years confused with another domestic

And here is an example for you:

Quote: scrap123

To be precise at 39

[wicked pinnochio]

Yes, I see, of course, I managed to catch another Soviet education.

[scrap123]

Stalin is needed at least to cleanse Russia of the dirt that thrives on all TV channels and clogs the head of youth with all kinds of dirt.

[astepanov]

Quote: scrap123

Stalin is needed at least to cleanse Russia of the dirt that thrives on all TV channels and clogs the head of youth with all kinds of dirt.

Yes, and leave only “News from the Fields”, “TASS News”, “Shooting Lists” and “Pioneer Dawn”. And the heads of youth will become clean, clean.

[scrap123]

At the present time, why not, if only one homo ..sya ... they show the silence and then we scratch the back of the head when the nation begins to respect each other with respect

[just exp]

Yes, even them, for example, I have not watched the current TV for 10 years, and I advise you.
and so, under that propaganda system, people willingly went to the workers.
and now you’ll get the hell out of managers to work with, even if they pay 3 times more (a lot of situations where workers receive more than 50 thousand jobs in the provinces. But you’ll find horseradish workers, and how do you suggest managers who have 25 thousand rubles pay for similar jobs , so they send it to hell, it’s better to have 25 manager than 50-60, but to plow hands)

[Doliva63]

Capitalist Stalin will not clean anything anywhere.

[alstr]

Well, not for nothing that in Greek myths one of the exploits of Hercules is the cleansing of the Augean stables.

[yehat]

curious. dirt clogs with mud ...
it turns out some kind of mitosis, and in the end, the original dirt is exhausted.

[viktor.]

1% do not know Stalin My grandmother told me after the war she worked and studied when it was reported that Stalin died, the whole class was crying, and they were crying, I remember not only because they were afraid not to cry, but how they lost their father.

[sharp-lad]

My paternal grandfather has been with Stalin for his homeland all his life.

[astepanov]

If you ask whether respondents believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth, 30% will say yes, 20% will say that they are on the drum, and the rest will require a “call to a friend”. But the Earth, regardless of the results of the survey, will move as before. I always wondered: why do all these gangs of loafers exist: political scientists, centers of public opinion and other riffraff? And who feeds them? Really from our taxes? I'm against.

[Dead duck]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

The same people in 30 years will say the opposite.

the people are the ones who usually shout "WE ARE PEOPLE!" and "ON PEOPLE"?

[gurzuf]

The more I look at the current reality, the more I respect Stalin.

[mavrus]

Quote: Alexander Ra

In China, they remember: 5 Chinese people squeezed their sides and broke their nose to an American diplomat who did not politely mention Stalin.

By the way, in Israel, after the death of Stalin, national mourning was declared.

[just exp]

so he actually created Israel.
why don’t they cry for the founder?

[yehat]

so Stalin is actually the father of the state of Israel
he sold it in the negotiations, he provided some support at first.
He provided a certain influx of volunteers.

[Dead duck]

Levada Center publishes opinion poll results

Yeah, but if they asked - "Who killed the son of Ivan the Terrible" (did Ivan the Terrible kill his son)
percent of 80-90 would respond positively, pointing to Grozny (his guilt).
Example, if for a long time and purposefully to say something (even if this is nonsense), then sooner or later they will believe in it

[just exp]

a lie repeated a thousand times becomes true.

[viktor.]

Quote: mavrus

By the way, in Israel, after the death of Stalin, national mourning was declared.

That people of Israel has remained in history.

[izya top]

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[loginovich]

[quote] A comparison with the data of a similar survey in Ukraine (from February 2018) is noteworthy. They do not know anything about Stalin 2% of respondents, 14% belong to the "leader of the peoples" with admiration, respect or sympathy. With fear, hatred or hostility - significantly more: 42%.
Indifferent to 31% of Russians surveyed by Stalin and about the same number (30%) of Ukrainian citizens [
The result of the action of the zombie box.

[yehat]

I was indifferent to Stalin in the 80s - a consequence of Khrushchev’s propaganda.
He began to feel much more positive when he studied the history of the 20th century for many years, not from entertaining books like the Icebreaker from Rezun or Pikul’s books, but from historical sources and eyewitness memoirs.

[savage]

To what extent do you agree or disagree with the following proposition: “our people can never do without a leader of a type like Stalin, who will come and put things in order”?


Here 33% of the respondents agreed, 37% did not agree, and 31% refrained from a clear answer.
This is what comes out 101% of respondents? how to believe them after that.

[sharp-lad]

This is Levada Center! And not Rosstat.

[assa67]

Dzhugashvili, the personality is ambiguous ... like all the rulers who left a mark in history .. then we should recall the expression: "the king is made by his retinue" ...

Quote: vovanpain

having taken the country with a plow, he left behind him the great Power of the Victor with a nuclear umbrella, and of his things only boots and a tunic.

but this is a fact ... and the Gulag fact ... we have what we have ... we learn history, we draw conclusions .......
for this we do not recognize rapists, sadists and murderers of thousands and thousands of people as national heroes, and do not elevate neo-fascism to the rank of a national idea, like some former "brothers"

[MrK]

Quote: assa67

but this is a fact ... and the Gulag fact ..

Dear, today there is the FSIN. So what, dissolve it or what?
They do not need anyone and are harmful to everyone UNBASED REPRESSIONS on falsified investigative cases. But the key word here is "unfounded." Without any repression, not a single state could survive yet, and the authorities' attempts to live in white gloves were punishable by a story with monstrous cruelty and seas of blood.
And if you want to know the truth about the Gulag, and not the ravings of the "genius of the first spit," then read the new documentary book, "The Gulag without Retouching." The author is Stanislav KUZMIN, Doctor of Law.

[assa67]

first I read Solzhenitsyn’s “The Gulag Archipelago”, concluded that there was no Gulag at all .. thieves sat, part of the political, mainly “Bely” and informers, such as the author of this very gulag .... then Kuzmina read it ... more intelligibly and written reasonably ...

Quote: mrark

Dear, today there is the FSIN. So what, dissolve it or what?

I’ll answer ... I, dear, supporter of tough measures .. including for the return of the death penalty, at least about the attitude of terrorists, pedophiles and bribe takers ...

[mavrus]

Quote: viktor.

1% do not know Stalin My grandmother told me after the war she worked and studied when it was reported that Stalin died, the whole class was crying, and they were crying, I remember not only because they were afraid not to cry, but how they lost their father.

I read somewhere ... When Yakov Dzhugashvili quarreled with his father, went to Leningrad, and got a job as an electrician at the substation, they did not even realize that he was the son of the Father of Peoples ... And after that, when Yakov returned to Moscow , security officers came to the personnel department to pick up his documents, then the personnel officers were very surprised ... To the security officers’ question: “How didn’t they know, because he indicated in the questionnaire who his father is?” To which they were answered: "And in our place, all former street children in the column father write Stalin, and some still manage to write the party in the column mother."

[Doliva63]

Is Stalin a wise leader? Yes, he is the rarest genius in history, who twice raised the country after the military pogroms to the highest level! And it took him 10-15 years. Almost from scratch! And the huge authority of the country around the world. 2 Soviet ships in the Libyan port with one look could stop the war. And what have the current “leaders" done for 35 years of peacetime?

[MrK]

Quote: Doliva63

And what have the current "leaders" done for 35 years of peace?

Besides theft - nothing.

[Altona]

Quote: Hire

I wonder why Stalin still does not give them peace. Constantly returning and returning to it. This already looks like some kind of specific liberal disease.

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Historically, Stalin was a titanic figure, he created the world's first socialist industrial state with a nuclear and missile industry, won the hardest war with a united Europe, was the creator of the world socialist system, actively contributed to the collapse of the world colonial system. Under his leadership, the Soviet people became the victorious people. None of the modern politicians can even come close to him. Therefore, the value of this personality is enormous and it will not give rest for another 50 years. And since no one can do anything like this, they try to spit on his affairs. I myself treated him as a historical character, but today I see. that it is more modern than ever. I even ruined the blotheny in the elections by writing his name and regalia- Joseph Stalin, Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR, General Secretary of the CPSU (B.), Supreme Commander-in-Chief, Generalissimmus.

[cedar]

"Data from the Levada Center ..."
L-Ts is on the list of “Foreign Agents”.
Those. works on impudent Saxons ...

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: cedar

"Data from the Levada Center ..."
L-Ts is on the list of “Foreign Agents”.
Those. works on impudent Saxons ...

Right, distractь people from current hopelessness:
"Citizens themselves must ensure that at the end of their work receive a decent pension," - said Siluanov.
https://tsargrad.tv/news/siluanov-zabottes-o-svoe
j-pensii-sami_124437
Finance Minister Anton Siluanov announced that Russian citizens themselves should take care of their own pension, and not rely on the state in this matter. The statement was made during the minister’s speech at the April conference at the Higher School of Economics.
That would be a poll on the topic of retirement!

[yehat]

I do not mind taking care of my pension, but subject to zero inflation, low interest on the loan (and without activity, how can I do anything at all?) and a completely different level of guarantees in court, in the labor code and level of salaries. And of course, not when a couple of years remained until retirement. And if the state my whole life took a third of the salary for retirement and then says there will be no pension - this is some scam.

[Lyutoyar R.]

Quote: dimy44

The paranoid is that many ruined talented people, without whom the Red Army suffered huge losses. But the country was raised in the end, at the expense of the gulag, truth. But otherwise, wherever we are right now ... Everything is debatable.

Who is talented, Tukhachevsky and Yakir with Primakov? Purge from the traitors then did the right thing, especially since there was a conspiracy. If there hadn’t been that purge, there would have been no Victory.

[Conserp]

Incidentally, I read the works of "genius" Tukhachevsky.

The intensity of idiocy is exactly the same as in teenage blokshes.

[MrK]

Quote: Lyutoyar R.

If there hadn’t been that purge, there would have been no Victory.

I agree. In the West, memoirs of the former Soviet intelligence officer Alexander Orlov (Leiba Feldbin), who fled from our country at the end of the 30s, having seized a huge amount of government dollars, were published at one time. Orlov, who knew well the “inner kitchen” of his native NKVD, directly wrote that a coup was being prepared in the Soviet Union. Among the conspirators, he said, were both representatives of the NKVD leadership and the Red Army represented by Marshal Mikhail Tukhachevsky and the commander of the Kiev military district, Jonah Yakir.

[Grim Reaper]

The Great Patriotic War was won not by Stalin, but by the entire Soviet people.
Undoubtedly, he is a great personality, they will scold and praise for many years to come.
No, I would not want Russia to have a second Stalin in peacetime. But if war is probably the only candidate.

[Doliva63]

But in peacetime, what is there to be done / built, or what? An example of Putin’s “stability”
The main merit of Stalin was the rise of the economy in peacetime, without which in World War II they would not have won and would not have become a world power after it. Victim of the exam, go.

[Grim Reaper]

Quote: Doliva63

But in peacetime, what is there to be done / built, or what? An example of Putin’s “stability”
The main merit of Stalin was the rise of the economy in peacetime, without which in World War II they would not have won and would not have become a world power after it. Victim of the exam, go.

It is necessary. But the price for it was huge.
Are you personally ready to work hard like in the 30s-40s-50s?
The trouble is that they want Stalin for anyone, but not for themselves.
PS An insult to the interlocutor caused by nothing does not paint you.

[Doliva63]

You said nothing about the price. About one and a half million "victims of repression" - and the country is flourishing. Or - about 10 million victims of collapse, and the country is in full ... well, you understand where. Banal illiteracy betrays you.

[Grim Reaper]

Quote: Doliva63

You said nothing about the price. About one and a half million "victims of repression" - and the country is flourishing. Or - about 10 million victims of collapse, and the country is in full ... well, you understand where. Banal illiteracy betrays you.

It’s worth a call, and the other party has no arguments left. Immediately comes into force "banal" illiteracy.
If you are interested, I’m 51 and I have never blamed the USSR. And my personal opinion is based on the memories of my parents. Which happened to slurp a lot. And by the way, they also did not blame the USSR and Stalin.

[naidas]

Quote: Ecilop

Are you personally ready to work hard like in the 30s-40s-50s?

And that we have few people working in two jobs, on shift or in other parts of the world away from home and family?
While the average salary of 30 pieces of silver will be willing to plow will be full.

[Grim Reaper]

Quote: naidas

Quote: Ecilop

Are you personally ready to work hard like in the 30s-40s-50s?

And that we have few people working in two jobs, on shift or in other parts of the world away from home and family?
While the average salary of 30 pieces of silver will be willing to plow will be full.

Do not confuse work for wear now, it is a long ruble. For someone, to support a large family, for someone, the opportunity to buy an apartment, a car, etc.
In any case, this is a conscious choice. But then there was no choice, just work, to stupid, and as a reward - the opportunity to live another day.
Yes, it was necessary, but perhaps with milder methods, it was possible to achieve what was done "from under the stick" Or maybe not. It’s impossible for me to judge. I just write what I think. But who cares?

[yehat]

But what was Stalin bad in peacetime?
The USSR has had abnormal rates of economic growth for many years.

[Grim Reaper]

Quote: yehat

But what was Stalin bad in peacetime?
The USSR has had abnormal rates of economic growth for many years.

I think that similar growth rates could be achieved without draconian measures. Although .... the time was like that.
Ps. I immediately warn that I do not believe in millions of innocent victims. But there were. And a lot.
On the mother’s side, the family was dispossessed and sent from the village (I don’t remember the name now, but if you get caught I’ll look) near Petropavlovsk in Sverdlovsk. They just took and broke the lives of 14 people. At the same time there were ordinary peasants who only had the imprudence to work well.
On the part of the father - There were no repressions. Kuban. Art. Pleasing.
On the part of the wife, the family was dispossessed without relocation. Ilyinsky Sverdlovsk region
I think many on the site can tell similar stories.
Yes, the forest is cut, chips fly. But there are too many chips. Too much.

[NordUral]

And you never thought that it was not only guilty of this, or rather not so much Stalin? I’ve been born in the Northern Urals, where my parents weren’t at all out of love for the northern beauties of the Urals (although it is very beautiful there, the memory has preserved childhood impressions).
And about chips - so the years after the 91st caused damage to far more peoples of the perished Union.
But such a pace could not be achieved otherwise. And here everything is not as simple as any Svanidze draws for us. The main role in the rapid rise of the country was played by an unprecedented rise in the construction of a new, just system. Like victory in the Great War.

[sharp-lad]

Yes, the forest is cut, chips fly. But there are too many chips. Too much.
Stalin didn’t “cut the forest,” there were many scum and envious, as well as ideological idiots .... however, as in our time.

[yehat]

after the official end of the civil war, another civil war broke out in the country - many drowned their neighbors to raise themselves. This has nothing to do with Stalin - this is the sediment of troubled times left in the souls of people, and the habits of the civil war are extreme cruelty to the smallest detail. Many scolded the NKVD, but remember that the thieves created at that time - they killed easily, in dozens.
And, by the way, this process also affected Stalin himself - Bukharin, Trotsky, etc. could bury him himself. I have repeatedly thought whether it was possible to somehow escape all this and find nothing better than the government was trying to do.

[NordUral]

This is what torments, prevents the current liberals from sleeping. They don’t even dream about it. They have achieved such a pace and are succeeding only in the cause of the collapse of the country. Even Hitler in hell envies this scum.

[sharp-lad]

No, I would not want Russia to have a second Stalin in peacetime.
Would a person who combines the best qualities of Stalin and Pinochet satisfy you? If instead of Gorbachev the restructuring of the Union were undertaken by a team led by this person, the whole world would envy our achievements.
Let me ask you: What kind of Stalin do you dislike? Before the military or after the military?

[Altona]

Quote: Comrade Kim

"Citizens must take care of themselves so that upon completion of work they receive a decent pension," Siluanov said.

--------------------------------
That's right, there is nothing to strain the budget here, but we will help businessmen suffering from sanctions.

[Doliva63]

Mother, 90 years old, has a compression fracture of 2 vertebrae. To get an appointment with a specialist, she must go to an appointment with a therapist, defend a queue, get a referral to a neurologist, defend a queue, get a referral to a webrologist, defend a queue ... is it okay that a person’s spine is broken? I goof from this state!

[NordUral]

Tired of repeating already - we are dominated by organized crime groups, which have to pretend to be the state. Yes, even patriots, so that we protect their unjustly acquired. The whole Duma, and indeed all the power are members of this organized criminal group, dressing up as patriots.

[NordUral]

If these citizens are rams, then let them bleed plaintively when they are sheared or fresh. Everyone needs to go to the polls, organize themselves, then there will not be such results that we get over and over again.

[SCHMEL]

By the way, 1% of respondents said they did not know who Stalin was.

[konstantin68]

Quote: vovanpain

Well, yes, taking the country with a plow, he left behind the great Power the Victorious with a nuclear umbrella, and from his things only boots and a tunic.

... and with the right to "veto" in the UN Security Council. Also, I tell you, not weak! Until now, the "partners" does not give rest!

[konstantin68]

Quote: sauvage

This is what comes out 101% of respondents? how to believe them after that.

Well, yes, respondents + author.

[Dormidont]

Steeper than the blevishes of the center are only Poles with a referendum on the reasons for the crash of Kachinsky

[In h]

He also had mistakes .. he left alive the Bandera and kilkozhora who fought on the side of the Germans .. not everyone, but some left and most importantly remained families and broods. Now we are reaping the fruits of his kindness. And he made a great country, no doubt about it. As for the tyrant, too, is not everything that the truth has been rubbing to us .. not all are far away. By the way, the United States killed the innocent and kept in prisons much more. And their democracy looks a lot like ... what it used to be .. in Europe .. the truth was called differently ..

[friend of animals]

Stalin is an apparatchik who destroyed all rivals on the path to sole power. People in his environment were chosen on the basis of personal devotion, and not professional qualities. With him, the country made a leap in development, but the price was paid high. The main thing is that with this method of government, after the death of the authority, leader, father of the nation, the built system gives a crack, because even less competent rulers come to power.
He was never an ideologist and was guided exclusively by personal motives, first of all, to maintain and strengthen his power.

In general, these ornate questions are pretty obviously hinted at. Only all these kings and leaders somehow badly for the population ended in our history. But this time everything will work out for sure?

[9PA]

Hurray, Stalinosrach

[yehat]

Now, if you are so smart that you do not go on the line?
one of the most stupid myths about Stalin is the magnitude of his sole power.
You are not slogans, but look at the facts that he could and could not. And what could his neighbors.

[friend of animals]

Are you envious of the mind, or is it a shame for Stalin? Where are the slogans, his path to power, his environment? Or maybe Khrushchev in power is not a consequence of the ill-conceived staffing policy of Stalin?
Not he could, but people were able to withstand such living conditions, pressure from above and such a pace, though not all. You still say that Stalin won the WWII, an unmistakable option.

[yehat]

Khrushchev in power is the result of a double coup and not without the help of Zhukov.
Personnel policy was precisely the strongest part of Stalin’s administration and what he called the "party." Unfortunately, after the arrival of Khrushchev, most of Stalin’s personnel policy mechanisms were canceled.
I did not understand about envy and war, what was said? But I’ll ask another question: what specific power did Stalin get?
He had almost no property, property - at least, life was simpler than thousands of USSR citizens. He really had administrative power, but he used it to develop the country, and not his whims. For which he was loved.
I repeat - read eyewitnesses, what kind of power Stalin had in reality and what responsibilities.

[NordUral]

He got a fate worthy of a few in the sublunary world - to plow without unbending his back for the benefit of the people. Be the leader of a great country, not a slave to the galleys.

[friend of animals]

I wonder what can be strong in choosing only on the basis of personal devotion? Khrushchev was in power primarily due to the fact that before that he had come a long way along the career ladder, which favored people like him.

Where do the stories about Stalin's ascetic come from, who did everything for the people. Probably from the propaganda of those times. Because there are no other sources for describing the life of Stalin. What does power mean in reality, what limited it? Maybe there were political rivals or popular protests? Or did he wisely limit himself?

His main whim is to stay in power, to defend himself against an external enemy and an internal one. In accordance with these goals, the country developed. Defense and state security.

[NordUral]

The war was won by Stalin and the People. Neither a people without Stalin, nor Stalin would not have survived without such a people!
Unfortunately, we may very soon have a chance to find out who we are and what our power in the Kremlin is. And God forbid (even though I am an atheist) that they even deserve to be an iota of successors to Stalin, no matter how they deny him.

[NordUral]

friend animals. You confused the giant Stalin with the pygmies Gorbachev, Yeltsin, etc.

[friend of animals]

How can they be confused. And where were the connoisseurs of the Stalin case, when these characters fought for power. The paradox is that by the time perestroika began, the CPSU had perhaps the largest number of members in its entire history. Where were these millions?

[MrK]

Quote: friend of beasts

Stalin ... destroyed all rivals on the path to sole power.

It would be better if you wrote about animals, a friend of animals.

[friend of animals]

And you'd better not write at all.

[kefan]

Granddad! You are so needed right now!

[tihonmarine]

If it weren’t for JV Stalin, we would now be slaves to the 3 Reich.

[NordUral]

Most of us would not have been at all.

[bk316]

Is Stalin a wise leader or an inhuman tyrant?

Why OR?
There are times when only an inhuman tyrant can exercise wise leadership.
The Monomakh hat is heavy, but like the cross, someone must bear it ...
Therefore, I will always be grateful to Stalin.

[Conserp]

But he was neither inhuman nor a tyrant.

On the contrary - Stalin was too kind and humane.

Banderaites, Vlasovites, forest brothers, Belodelders, Khlebobuchnikov, Trotskyites and other evil spirits did not destroy without exception, as it should, but forgave.

[bk316]

But he was neither inhuman nor a tyrant.

And it is unknown that it’s difficult to understand in a person’s head, but not seeing him live is impossible.
Stalin sometimes acted too cruelly sometimes too humane. But history showed the main thing - he acted CORRECTLY.

[andrej-shironov]

But where can I get it, then modern Stalin. when only liberals and compradors are in power, not excluding Putin?

[NordUral]

We are looking badly, or rather, badly calling the new Stalin! These choices showed it again.

[andrej-shironov]

Eugene, you will excuse me, but when the Putin system is not aimed at finding new and clever personalities, but at preserving the old personalities in a compartment with its compradors, I don’t see any reason to go to this fake called elections. And I think not alone in this.

[tagil]

An American culture attache in China, Robert Ford, gave a speech at a contemporary art exhibition in Shanghai. During his speech, the diplomat inadvertently criticized the ex-head of the USSR Joseph Stalin. The attache publicly declared his joy that Chinese art had departed from the traditions of bloody Stalinism and moved to a modern form.
The saying of the American diplomat did not like the Chinese. After his careless words, five people publicly attacked the politician, threw him to the floor and severely beat him. Only the police who arrived at the scene of the incident could stop the angry Chinese. According to the information portal, Robert Ford had a broken nose, and multiple hematomas from kicking were recorded all over his body. As a result of the injuries, the American attache will spend several weeks in the hospital.

It is noteworthy that the attackers did not suffer serious punishment. For their misconduct, the Chinese will receive only a fine for hooliganism. The Chinese Foreign Ministry acted no less symbolically - sent an apology letter to the official US embassy in the PRC and recommended that "no more criticize Stalin." This incident and the reaction of the foreign ministry once again shows what political power Beijing has gained in recent years. Today, China is already making recommendations to the United States of America, beating their ambassadors and not fearing a response.

[NordUral]

The wise people are these Chinese.

[16112014nk]

Stalin built the USSR on TITANIUM legs, not clay ones, as the liberals thought and think. Until now, Russia on them (the Titans) is worth it! It also supplies America with titanium.

[Doctor13]

Quote: kefan

Granddad! You are so needed right now!

I agree ... To make the Euro and Amero Pedicas tremble.

[naidas]

1. To what extent do you agree or disagree with the following proposition: “Stalin is the wise leader who led the USSR to power and prosperity?”
-I completely agree.
2. To what extent do you agree or disagree with the following proposition: “Whatever mistakes and vices are attributed to Stalin, the most important thing is that under his leadership our people won the Second World War”?
-I completely agree.
3. To what extent do you agree or disagree with the following proposition: "Stalin is a cruel, inhuman tyrant, guilty of the destruction of millions of innocent people"?
-Need to compare:
for example, the democratic states, how many died in labor camps? (for such a question in the USA they planted them before the 60s), how many died in concentration camps, how many from war crimes?
It has not yet been considered difficult to answer. My opinion is as much as Terrible more tyrant than the kings of France and England in his time.
4. To what extent do you agree or disagree with the following proposition: “our people will never be able to do without a leader such as Stalin who will come and put things in order”?
No country can exist for a long time where rulers are preoccupied with stuffing pockets. The Stalin team set tasks and carried them out, who stuffed the pockets of the team being expelled.

[bone1]

Not only in Hohland there are "thinkers out and we have one

[The Sparkle]

I remember how respectfully both of my grandfathers spoke of Stalin. And do not care about the opinions of "human rights defenders" from the "civilized community."

[bone1]

And they, by chance, were not camp guards?

[Conserp]

A sad troll.

- Little Johnny, why are you a Stalinist? !!
- My mother is a Stalinist, my dad is a Stalinist, so I am also a Stalinist.
- Little Johnny, and if your mother were a prostitute, your dad was a drug addict, who would you be then ?!
“Then I would be a liberal.”

[bone1]

And the fact that a wise ruler could be an inhuman tyrant did not occur to them?

[NordUral]

And in what is he inhuman to the common people, Constantine? But it turned out to be too soft towards the enemies, which was proved all the years after his death.

[NordUral]

We would still have a couple of leaders such as Stalin, so that they, replacing each other, lead the country on the right path, from which no one would turn our country and us. No matter how hard we try to repeat the mistakes of the 80s. And no matter how mad the West is!

[bone1]

Would you - who are you? - the sect of the Antichrist or the club of maniacs?

[Fitter65]

"Stalin - a cruel, inhuman tyrant, guilty of exterminating millions of innocent people?"

And how many millions were destroyed during the reign of I.V. Stalin? Well, since there were some who were perturbed, though not millions, who did not think for what? For example, the traitor Vlasov and his friends are also innocent victims? What are they in a cohort?

[ser6119]

Well, he personally destroyed millions of people, and he also ate babies for dinner. Then you can’t eat enough at night!
I.V. Stalin was a great man!

[Amateur]

Grandfather I.A. Krylov wrote about the attitude of "crap" to Stalin a long time ago: "Ah, pug! It’s strong to know, since it barks at an elephant."

[Seraphimamur]

The greatness of Stalin does not allow you to sleep and eat today's political pygmies and crooks. What if his follower comes? The fur animal living behind the Arctic Circle will come to them and invite them to visit.

[ver_]

Quote: Conserp

Quote: Ingvar 72

Under the same fucking Nikolashka, people received more than they do now.

You can probably even list these people?

Poor liar.

...I know that my grandfather worked as a hammerman at a *iron* depot, received 5 rubles in gold a year, had a large family and no one died of hunger..

[bk316]

no one died of hunger...

And 2 of my grandfather’s brothers died as children from starvation, that is, formally they died from diseases, but in reality from a weakening of the body due to constant malnutrition and lack of vitamins. (They were peasants in the Voronezh province)
And my great-grandfather also had 2 (TWO) pairs of shoes, one suit, they lived 9 people at 35 meters and were constantly hungry.

[ver_]

...my great-grandfather was exiled under the tsar to Transbaikalia .. 5 years of the stage .. Taiga, there were enough animals in the forests, rivers and lakes, a lot of fish, little gold in the rivers ... they didn’t die of hunger..

[1536]

Are you tired of reading this “sociological” nonsense yet? Well, directly: “Stalin is with us, Stalin is like us, Stalin is better than us!” The idea is being introduced that Stalin killed the entire “thinking human society” in the country, hence the results of today’s “polls”. As a result, it turns out that the people are not their lot at all, like that donkey who only needs to be controlled with carrots and sticks, then he goes somewhere, but otherwise he doesn’t.
Well, how can we admit to all these... “sociologists” that our people, in the most difficult moments of their existence, put forward such people who lead them to Victory. There’s only one bad thing: this victory is always “paid for” with millions of lives. But both the danger and the opposition in this case are appropriate. This is Hitler “with all of Europe”, and Trump with all the “golden billion”. But they did not and will not be able to win.

[RUSS]

I read the comments and came to the conclusion that there are more and more evil Russians in Russia.