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Five Heroes of Machine Guns

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The value of the machine gun in battle is difficult to overestimate. The machine gun made it possible to quickly develop powerful, accurate and focused fire, had a moral effect on the enemy and inflicted heavy losses. The machine gun was used both to prepare the attack and to cover the retreating, it was an important resource in defensive battles. The machine-gunners are the elite of the infantry of the Russian army of the First World War. And in support of the last thesis, we would like to recall the exploits of 5 machine gunners - very revealing and visual.



Machine gun firing point.


Machine gun in a field battle. Drawings of the witness.

The 82 Infantry Regiment of Dagestan was one of the best in the Russian imperial army, entering the 21 Infantry Division of the renowned 3 Caucasian Army Corps. Only in the incomplete first year and a half of the war (as of December 1915), the 82 th regiment captured 38 officers and 3856 lower ranks (in fact, their composition), as well as enemy 36 guns and 10. About what the soldiers served in the regiment, allows us to conclude the story of the exploits of the ordinary machine-gun team named Komisar Aganesov [RGVIA. F. 16180. Op. 1. D. 63. L. 333.].

A private machine-gun crew, K. Aganesov, was the gunner of the machine gun that operated on the left flank of the 1 regiment company during the heavy fighting of 25 - 26 in April of 1915 near der. Petrusha Will.

During the first day of the battle, almost half of the company, as well as almost all machine-gunners, were out of action. Under the powerful fire of heavy German batteries, perfectly adjusted (due to the fact that Russian trenches were on the crest of a hill and were perfectly visible to the enemy), K. Aganesov cleaned and put his machine gun in order, and with the onset of darkness, as the document notes, “beat off the fierce attacks of furious, drunken German guardsmen. "

At 10, in the morning, an order was received to withdraw - the 1 company and machine gun of K. Aganesov remained in the rear guard. It was the turn of the rearguard to retreat and the brave machine gunner remained to cover the 1 company. K. Aganesov hit a machine gun on the dense chains of the advancing Germans with a machine gun. The water in the cooler was boiling, but this did not stop the machine gunner. He managed to shoot all the tapes, knocked out a machine gun - and was raised on bayonets by the Germans who ran up.



11 July 1915 was distinguished by an officer - a “machine gunner”, commander of the 3 battalion of the 11 Turkestan rifle regiment, lieutenant colonel A. A. Gorn [RGVIA. F. 16180. Op. 1. D. 63. L. 51 Rev.]. The wonderful rifleman (graduate of the Officers' Infantry School) Alexander Alexandrovich Gorn, during the attack of the German infantry, put forward one of the machine guns, sat down behind the last one and personally fired from it - repelling the enemy’s attack on the village. Severinki on the river. Narev. The accurate fire of the lieutenant colonel silenced several German machine guns. After the attack was repulsed, the lieutenant colonel moved to the right flank of the 12 company - planning to organize an attack of the battalion. At that moment, a German soldier, who had previously been hiding in the rye, approached him and told the lieutenant colonel in Russian that he wanted to surrender. When the officer approached him, the “defector” fell to the ground and fired a rocket launcher into the air. At this signal, a German machine gun opened fire and the officer was killed by a bullet that hit the heart. With the help of perfidy, the Germans not only decapitated the opposing battalion of Turkestans, but also eliminated the talented machine-gunner, Lieutenant Colonel A. A. Gorn, who became the Knight of the Order of St. George 4 degree posthumously.



On the Caucasian front in the 28 battle of May 1915 of the year for the height of 8333, the fighters of the machine gun command of the 16 of the Turkestan rifle regiment distinguished themselves [RGVIA. F. 16180. Op. 1. D. 63. L. 60.]. The commander of the machine-gun platoon junior non-commissioned officer Vasily Goncharov advanced his unit at the minimum (300 steps) distance to the enemy. Then the machine guns opened dagger fire on the advancing Turks. And a chain of Turkish infantry numbers in the company was destroyed.

But the platoon of V. Goncharov, who was in an open position, was caught in the crossfire of the enemy's 2 batteries.

Despite the enemy’s fire and losses, the machine gunners did not stop the fire.

The calculation of one of the machine guns was killed, and the platoon commander rushed to the silent machine gun - single-handedly firing at the counterattacking Turkish infantry.

The heroic non-commissioned officer was shot in the stomach with a bullet. Despite the injury, he agreed only to the dressing - refusing to leave the battlefield.

V. Goncharov, having collected his last strength, for another half an hour ran the fire of the platoon — until he lost consciousness. The commander of the machine-gun platoon near his machine gun.



Hero-machine gunner was also Hrisanf Grigorievich Bondar, naval Komandor - platoon commander of the machine gun team of the Dagestan equestrian regiment of the Caucasian native equestrian division [Heroes and trophies of the Great People's War. Issue 2. Pg., 1916.].

Distinguished in the Carpathians. 26. 12. 1914, under der. Mountain Berezhok machine-gun platoon, holding back the enemy cavalry, supported his infantry and cavalry. For success in battle, causing great losses to the enemy, Kh. G. Bondar is awarded the St. George Cross of the 4 degree.



12. 01. 1915, the machine-gun crew of the Dagestan regiment was supposed to detain the enemy, acting on the road between the village of Boberk and Sedov. The team under the command of the full Georges cavalier Ensign Yankovsky acted tactically competently - H. G. Bondar's machine gun, constantly changing positions, kept the enemy from the front, while the 2 machine gun shot the enemy from the flank. And a handful of fighters hold an important road in their hands all day long. The whole division was awarded. H. G. Bondar received the St. George Cross of the 3 degree, becoming a non-commissioned officer.

He distinguished himself in the battle 27. 03. 1915 - on the Dniester, at the Zaleschikov. While in reserve, the team of H. G. Bondar supported the 148 Infantry Caspian Regiment, which suffered in a recent battle and was left without its machine guns. The machine-gunners occupied half-destroyed trenches and repulsed several enemy attacks. H. G. Bondar was awarded the St. George Cross 2 degree.

29. 05. 1915 also during the battle on the Dniester at der. Zhizhava machine gunners V. G. Bondar shot Austrians, crossing the river. Moreover, the machine-gunners, who were under strong artillery fire, acted initiatively and withdrew according to the order and without loss. And their commander receives the St. George Cross of the 1 degree (becoming the owner of a full St. George bow). 04. 08. 1915 G. VG Bondar became an artillery conductor.





Heavy fight at der. Kulik 20. 07. 1915 stood the life guards Finnish regiment [Moller A. Fight 4 battalion of the regiment under the village. Kulik // Finnish. 1932. No. 16. 1933. No. 17]. The Finnish battalions occupied the defense of the village and the forest, having a Moscow regiment on the flank of the Life Guards.

The 2, 3, and 4 battalions were in position, and the 1, in the regiment reserve. The right flank of the 2 Battalion, which suffered great losses from the Germans' artillery fire, was forced to withdraw - as a result, the dominant height was lost, which was the key of the regimental position and located at the junction of the Finns and Pavlovians. The 1 th battalion counterattack was successful - the battalion knocked out the enemy from a height and held it all up. The position on the right flank of the regiment remained in the hands of the Finns.

The enemy’s artillery fire destroyed the trenches of the 3 Battalion - and the latter was forced to leave what was left of them. The battalion was attacked by superior enemy forces, suffered heavy losses, and retreated to another forest edge - on which it was fixed.

The 4 Battalion was also attacked, but thanks to the decisive and tactically competent actions of the commander, he counterattacked with his reserve companies. He not only regained his position on his sector, but also captured part of the trenches of the 3 battalion.

The commander of the 4 th battalion, Captain A. F. Moller, recalled when he heard by telephone from the battery commander that the shells were so small that the fire would be opened only at the right moment and only at close targets. Special attention was paid to the best possible concealment of the gaps and trenches. The enemy began an intensive sighting - the queues of German shells lit the houses of the village, closest to the battalion observation point and the positions of the 16 company. The thatched huts burst into flames like torches — the neighboring buildings caught fire from them. Very soon the sea of ​​fire was raging. German artillery fired intense fire on the village. Kulik, as well as "nails" with shells of heavy calibers on the alleged positions of the battalion reserve - and whole trees flew above the forest. Hurricane fire turned into a drumbeat.

Another eyewitness wrote: “... hours with 10, the enemy began shelling our positions on the whole front with light and heavy artillery. Gradually increasing, the cannonade soon turned into a continuous roar, in which it was difficult to distinguish individual shots. From my vantage point it was evident how heavy German suitcases heaved huge fountains of earth and felled trees in the forest. Communication with the advanced battalions was constantly interrupted, until it was possible to restore it by the heroic efforts of the young telephonists. Reports of losses and heavy destruction began to arrive from the battalions; a large number of wounded arrived at the dressing station. ”

After artillery preparation, which caused sensitive losses to the guardsmen, the German infantry offensive began on 14 hours: “... helmets appeared on the hill in front of the battalion's trenches, first rare, and then thicker and thicker. Machine guns chirped and scored a characteristic sound of bullet rain. He was answered with a harsh sound of machine guns of the 13 company and rocked gunfire. ”

The key factor that made it possible to repel the onslaught of the enemy, who had already wedged the Finns, was the fire of Russian machine guns. And at this time the senior non-commissioned officer of the Soldiers accomplished the feat.

A. F. Moller recalled how he ran along the trench, ordering him to pull out a machine gun. The soldiers of the 13 Company were already firing on the thick chains of the Germans who were marching and running on the flank of the forest to the trenches of the 15 Company. The machine-gunners of the 13 Company headed by the ensign Wielkopolska dragged the machine gun to the traverse of the trench - after a moment, he shot through the right-flank trench of the 13 company through the trenches of the 15 company. The second machine gun did not work - he was overwhelmed. But under fire along the trench, the Germans, who had occupied the 15-th company trenches, ran back in groups - and the 2-th 13-machine gun opened fire on them, albeit with interruptions. The counterattack of the Russian infantrymen was effective: “Jumping out of the smoke strip, I saw the advanced 16 chains already rushing along ... the slope to the forest, and the Germans, jumping, firing and moving between the trees, ran into the forest ... the enemy began to flicker between the trees and running back along the edge of the forest, threw the weight backwards. People of 16, who are standing, who are lying down, who are from a knee, stopping on the side of a ravine, were firing at them, over their heads ... Finally, waving my left hand and going to the edge of the forest, I managed to stop shooting and order everyone to pull themselves up to the forest and dig in ... I went around digging in and thanked for the dashing attack. There were still no casualties, and on the whole slope, here and there, the dead and wounded lay. But the edge of the forest was almost all overwhelmed with corpses and seriously wounded Germans - Prussian Guardsmen! ”.

The Russian guardsmen of the 2 division showed special heroism in this battle. A. F. Moller ordered the only surviving machine gun to be pulled out of the trench, opening fire on the Germans, who bypassed the flank of the battalion.

Alone, the senior non-commissioned officer of the 13 Company of Soldiers pulled a machine gun, firing a devastating fire at the approaching enemy - the Germans, unable to withstand machine-gun fire, lay down. Through 2 - 3 minutes into the stomach the hero was hit by a glass of shrapnel - but being on the ground, covered with blood, with loose guts, Soldiers continued to shoot a machine gun. A. F. Moller recalled: there was a gaping wound on the body of the hero, and the shreds of clothing were mixed with blood and with a piece of a protruding large fragment of a projectile. When the senior noncommissioned officer unbuttoned the gate, he made some semi-convulsive gestures with his right hand, apparently wanting to cross himself. The captain tried to hear the last words of the dying man. The soldiers reached for the block with the St. George Cross (he had a 2 cross and several St. George medals) and began to take it off. The people around him helped, and the non-commissioned officer, trying to smile and overcoming pain, handed the awards to the commander and, straining, clearly said: “Give it to the parents. Tell me - I die honestly. " Surrounding cried - and the battalion commander, and the brave old warrant officer Wielkopolska. A. F. Moller, having crossed his fighter, kissed him on the forehead, leaving the dead in the hands of a friend - senior noncommissioned officer Andrei Salodovnikov.







Aganesov, Horn, Goncharov, Bondar, Soldiers.

Only dry lines of documents or memories of witnesses testify to their exploits. But let these feats become a monument to Russian machine gunners who heroically fell on the battlefield during the First World War - in the fight against the war machine of the German bloc.
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  1. heavy division
    heavy division April 14 2018 06: 14
    +16
    on such feats and it is worth carrying out patriotic education of youth
    takes for the soul
    glory to the heroes!
    1. Serge72
      Serge72 April 14 2018 08: 49
      +23
      on such feats and it is worth carrying out patriotic education of youth
      takes for the soul
      glory to the heroes!

      I support !!
      By the way, the machine-gun crew of sailors in the Wild Division is cool.
      We knew how to organize before)
      1. soldier
        soldier April 14 2018 09: 07
        +19
        on such feats and it is worth carrying out patriotic education of youth

        So exactly
        At all levels of education
      2. Walking
        Walking April 14 2018 14: 59
        0
        The machine-gun team in the Wild Division was sort of from penal sailors.
        1. soldier
          soldier April 14 2018 15: 50
          +17
          Partly penal, partly from volunteers.
          Penalties not only got better, but also became St. George cavaliers.
    2. SCHWERIN
      SCHWERIN April 16 2018 16: 36
      +1
      They have been silent about these Heroes since 1917 !!!
  2. XII Legion
    XII Legion April 14 2018 08: 23
    +20
    Maxim’s Russian machine gun had a high rate of fire (about 600 rounds per minute) and penetration ability (his bullet cripples two people standing in the back of his head at a distance of 3200 steps, and at a distance of 4500 steps, he mortally wounds and punches a one-inch board).
    Machine gunners - the elite of the Russian infantry, no doubt. Particular attention was paid to the tactics of machine-gun units - from open and closed positions, in areas and to defeat, at night, from various distances, with maneuvering. Of great importance was the massaging of machine gun fire. Before the war, machine-gunners' competitions were held, and excellent machine-gunners (gunners, eye-men) were awarded and encouraged in every way.
    If the artillery fire of the enemy did not incapacitate at least one machine gunner, the enemy would face problems.
    One of the Russian officers recalled the battle in the summer of 1915: “the artillery of the enemy literally bombarded a section of my company with their shells. There was no way to distinguish the sound of individual salvos, it was a continuous hum: everything merged into an incredible crack and noise .... What I saw ... does not lend itself to any description. Our trenches did not exist, people were mixed with the ground. In some places, the trenches were completely compared to the surface of the earth. In many places, it was necessary to jump to the surface to run across the covered ground .... Fortunately for my company, the machine guns were still in operation, there were two of them on the site of my company. ... From the trenches there were reports of the burial of shooters and machine guns underground ... the Germans entered the position, but did not take it ... - in my area they occupied the collapsed trenches of the first line and remained in front of the second, restrained by valor ... the few remaining officers ... old personnel machine gunners and non-commissioned officers. "
    Thank you!
    1. moskowit
      moskowit April 14 2018 10: 51
      +3
      I sincerely recommend a very interesting book by Semyon Fedoseyev about machine guns ....
      1. soldier
        soldier April 14 2018 10: 57
        +18
        Good book.
        I also recommend to everyone interested the following materials and work
        1. soldier
          soldier April 14 2018 11: 00
          +18
          such here as well

          1. soldier
            soldier April 14 2018 11: 01
            +18
            This

            and a couple of articles
            https://vpk-news.ru/articles/33473
            https://vpk-news.ru/articles/33326
  3. shuravi
    shuravi April 14 2018 08: 30
    +3
    Quote: heavy division
    on such feats and it is worth carrying out patriotic education of youth
    takes for the soul
    glory to the heroes!



    Do not educate, but fool.
    1. soldier
      soldier April 14 2018 08: 56
      +18
      Do not educate, but fool.

      So on the exploits and heroes of later wars, too, fooled?
      Or are you out of dislike for the pre-revolutionary history of Russia?
  4. BRONEVIK
    BRONEVIK April 14 2018 08: 38
    +20
    Yes, fact is a stubborn thing. In a single system, fighters of all nationalities (Aganesov, Cooper, Soldiers).
    Thanks for the interesting reasoned article.
    I want to join the words of the author
    let these feats become a monument to Russian machine gunners who heroically fell on the battlefield during the First World War - in the fight against the war machine of the German bloc.

    Absolutely right good
  5. shuravi
    shuravi April 14 2018 09: 34
    +13
    Quote: soldier
    Do not educate, but fool.

    So on the exploits and heroes of later wars, too, fooled?
    Or are you out of dislike for the pre-revolutionary history of Russia?


    For any heroism it is important which enemy is ahead of you and which rear is behind.
    During the Great Patriotic War, behind each soldier was a Motherland, which was the last one for the front, for victory.
    What now? Why do you want to sacrifice your life to a boy drafted from the provinces?
    For Abramovich’s yachts, Deripaska’s factories, or Mary Baghdasaryan’s pokatushki?
    No, you go in the ass with a similar "patriotic education."
    Here already: either a cross or underpants.
    If you want patriotism with heroism, then see capitalism and return to socialism.
    If the nit of such a desire, then a contract army with a strictly defined rate for everything: service, wounds, injuries, death.
    There is no other way. For all this patriotic education in modern conditions, is nothing more than an attempt to na ** t simpletons.
    Speculation on the death of Major Filipov is an example of this.
    1. soldier
      soldier April 14 2018 09: 45
      +17
      For any heroism it is important which enemy is ahead of you and which rear is behind.
      During the Great Patriotic War, behind each soldier was a Motherland, which was the last one for the front, for victory.
      What now? Why do you want to sacrifice your life to a boy drafted from the provinces?
      For Abramovich’s yachts, Deripaska’s factories, or Mary Baghdasaryan’s pokatushki?
      No, you go in the ass with a similar "patriotic education."
      Here already: either a cross or underpants.
      If you want patriotism with heroism, then see capitalism and return to socialism.
      If the nit of such a desire, then a contract army with a strictly defined rate for everything: service, wounds, injuries, death.
      There is no other way. For all this patriotic education in modern conditions, is nothing more than an attempt to na ** t simpletons.
      Speculation on the death of Major Filipov is an example of this.

      What I’m talking about
      You are a fan of double standards. If under the right flag - then a feat, but under the wrong - no. The feat does not depend on the socio-economic formation.
      By the way, if large masses of people are participating in the war, the war is already popular. For that matter, then in the Second World War there were Khivi, deserters, crowds of prisoners and a mass of traitors. But this does not detract from exploits.
      For Abramovich’s yachts, Deripaska’s factories, or Mary Baghdasaryan’s pokatushki?

      This is why it is incomprehensible finally.
      you go in the ass with a similar "patriotic education."

      And you there, or even further away
    2. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST April 14 2018 12: 40
      +1
      you go in the ass

      then what for capitalism

      na ** t simpletons

      Sometimes the content can be concluded only by looking at the form.
  6. shuravi
    shuravi April 14 2018 09: 59
    +8
    Quote: soldier

    What I’m talking about
    You are a fan of double standards. If under the right flag - then a feat, but under the wrong - no.


    Here it is not necessary to lie and turn over. It was in the name of what heroism to show. But here you quickly hid your tongue in the ass.

    The feat does not depend on the socio-economic formation.


    Wow, what a pathos. I suppose you have all the breasts in the orders. Once such knowledge. bully
    1. soldier
      soldier April 14 2018 10: 06
      +20
      This is not pathos.
      And the facts. Why flood off topic, huh?
  7. shuravi
    shuravi April 14 2018 10: 01
    +7
    Quote: soldier

    This is why it is incomprehensible finally.


    What a slow-witted you are. Yes to the realities of today's life.


    And you there, or even further away


    First, learn to wipe your nose from snot before giving advice to adults.
    1. soldier
      soldier April 14 2018 10: 06
      +16
      What a slow-witted you are. Yes to the realities of today's life.

      About the realities of today's life, write comments not in the History section - but in the news or something else.
      Why not write this to your helmet article? Or did the Anglo-Saxons not show heroism?))
      First, learn to wipe your nose from snot before giving advice to adults.

      It is generally without comment, I look too adult. So much so that you are pondering the question of how to wipe the snot properly))
  8. shuravi
    shuravi April 14 2018 10: 13
    +6
    Quote: soldier
    This is not pathos.
    And the facts.


    That is, you do not show your breasts in orders / crosses? So to speak, by personal example.

    Why flood off topic, huh?


    And your calls for "patriotic education" is not a flood?
    1. soldier
      soldier April 14 2018 10: 31
      +18
      that is, you do not show your chest in orders / crosses? So to speak, by personal example.

      You will reveal a lot, gentlemen. Shpak-cue, especially when disguised as the nicknames of different people from different countries. There’s nothing to talk about. You think that it is not visible?
      your calls for "patriotic education" is not a flood?

      I support that the material is useful for the patriotic education of youth. Because it is indicative and based on facts.
  9. shuravi
    shuravi April 14 2018 10: 19
    +5
    Quote: soldier

    About the realities of today's life, write comments not in the History section - but in the news or something else.


    And it’s I myself who will figure out what and where.

    Why don't write this to my article about the helmet? Or did the Anglo-Saxons not show heroism?))


    Did your roof go? What hangover is she mine?


    It is generally without comment, I look too adult.


    So.

    So much so that you are pondering the question of how to wipe the snot properly))


    What to do if they fly from you in all directions.
    1. soldier
      soldier April 14 2018 10: 28
      +16
      So understand.
      Wrong, it's you snot flying in all directions. I'm not around. Would - wiped)
  10. shuravi
    shuravi April 14 2018 10: 53
    +5
    Quote: soldier

    You will reveal a lot, gentlemen. Shpak-cue, especially when disguised as the nicknames of different people from different countries. There’s nothing to talk about. You think that it is not visible?


    Are you a brake? Or do not know how to use the Internet? In my profile, quite sufficient data is indicated.
    Well, I'll be lenient. Here you go again.
    http://artofwar.ru/l/lisowoj_w_i/
    You can ask questions there, I will answer. hi



    I support that the material is useful for the patriotic education of youth. Because it is indicative and based on facts.


    Well, let’s bring up on this example the already mentioned Mara and the like, you have the flag in your hands.
    1. soldier
      soldier April 14 2018 10: 59
      +18
      Yes, I read it already
      As I saw a lot of foreigners living on the site and writing in Russian
      You are a lover of the word “liars,” so it means nothing
    2. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx April 14 2018 13: 32
      +4
      Quote: shuravi
      You will reveal a lot, gentlemen. Shpak-cue, especially when disguised as the nicknames of different people from different countries. There’s nothing to talk about. You think that it is not visible?
      Are you a brake?

      He's a jerk and a troll. The slander wrote about me that I and Serg 65 are one and the same.
      Quote: soldier
      But is Serg65 and rkkasa 81 not the same thing? More precisely the same?
      Or do you want to convince me that a bunch of people correspond on this site and they have nothing more to do? Yes, even from different countries, and in Russian?
      What on other sites where this comrade is not there - no one is texting (although it is possible), and here is such a hectic life?
      Funny and ridiculous. Only do not hold the fool. You know who you are, and I know who you are too. And there’s nobody else here - netuti ...
      1. soldier
        soldier April 14 2018 13: 46
        +15
        He's a jerk and a troll.

        Himself such
        And the rest is also true
  11. shuravi
    shuravi April 14 2018 10: 54
    +5
    Quote: soldier
    So understand.
    Wrong, it's you snot flying in all directions. I'm not around. Would - wiped)


    Do not make excuses, late.
    1. soldier
      soldier April 14 2018 10: 58
      +16
      I do not make excuses - I say that I am not nearby.
      And that testifies to this)
  12. shuravi
    shuravi April 14 2018 11: 27
    +4
    Quote: soldier
    Yes, I read it already
    As I saw a lot of foreigners living on the site and writing in Russian
    You are a lover of the word “liars,” so it means nothing


    So, baby, about the fact that I'm a certain Shpak-cue blown away?
    However, for your brother it is typical, unsubstantiated nonsense.
    Continue to wind the snot further into the fist. hi
    1. soldier
      soldier April 14 2018 11: 41
      +16
      How blown away?
      This is certain. No one except the authors to write in the comments - there is nothing more to do.
      And who else but the author, whose unsurpassed number of articles, both under his own name and pseudonyms (for example, Samsonov) produce a bunch of nicknames? Each nickname, as I understand it, has its own legend - from a retired Russian warrior to an Israeli hero.
      They remembered about Filippov. But is it not in the headings on this site that they write what good-looking power we have and the ingenious strategist Putin? What did the strategy lead to? So return them to socialism, I do not mind))
      And snot, which are not indifferent, reel. I do not interfere. hi
  13. shuravi
    shuravi April 14 2018 11: 57
    +2
    Quote: soldier
    How blown away?
    This is certain. No one except the authors to write in the comments - there is nothing more to do.
    And who else but the author, whose unsurpassed number of articles, both under his own name and pseudonyms (for example, Samsonov) produce a bunch of nicknames? Each nickname, as I understand it, has its own legend - from a retired Russian warrior to an Israeli hero.
    They remembered about Filippov. But is it not in the headings on this site that they write what good-looking power we have and the ingenious strategist Putin? What did the strategy lead to? So return them to socialism, I do not mind))
    And snot, which are not indifferent, reel. I do not interfere. hi


    That is, you have no evidence, one nonsense.
    Well, the answer is here:
    http://artofwar.ru/comment/l/lisowoj_w_i/about

    hi
    1. soldier
      soldier April 14 2018 12: 09
      +17
      My evidence will remain with me
      Thanks for the link hi
      Once again, this does not mean anything. Anyone can say that he is me or you. And nobody cares
  14. shuravi
    shuravi April 14 2018 12: 44
    +7
    Quote: soldier
    My evidence will remain with me
    Thanks for the link hi
    Once again, this does not mean anything. Anyone can say that he is me or you. And nobody cares



    And you know, it’s easy for me to take one of my photos and do this:

    Well, you, if you decide to scream that I stole it on the network, you will have to present it in full format.
    In my photo album, I uploaded it only once before and deliberately clipped it. hi
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 14 2018 12: 50
      +5
      Quote: shuravi
      it’s easy for me to take one of my photos and do so

      Strictly speaking, apart from your words, nothing proves that this is exactly your photo.
    2. K.A.S.
      K.A.S. April 14 2018 17: 30
      +3
      Shuravi, in general, an article about the exploit of soldiers and the skill of machine gunners! dumping here your opinion (very subjective /) it seems to me wrong I do not need to turn an interesting article into a political showdown!
      I will answer nonetheless
      Shuravi you are a Vlasovite? Are you looking for a reason not to defend your homeland? You can always find a reason not to fight. our society is not perfect! For example, when was the war in Afghanistan for what they fought? for Brezhnev’s daughter. or for the happiness of the guilds. maybe for the participants in a troublesome affair?
  15. shuravi
    shuravi April 14 2018 13: 19
    +5
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: shuravi
    it’s easy for me to take one of my photos and do so

    Strictly speaking, apart from your words, nothing proves that this is exactly your photo.


    The flag is in your hands. Provide this full size photo and that's it. bully
    Moreover, my photo archive of the period of Afghanistan is unique in its own way to steal it.
    http://photo.qip.ru/users/mi-24v/115492984/?page=
    1

    So your lawyer services for soldiers are notorious. hi
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 14 2018 13: 56
      +4
      Quote: shuravi
      your lawyer services for soldiers

      My "services" are expensive. Here I am ... for entertainment and relaxation.
      So - by.
      Quote: shuravi
      Provide this full size photo and that's it

      What for?
      The fact that he is nowhere else does not prove in any way that this is exactly your photo.
      This is the same alphabet request
  16. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote April 14 2018 13: 43
    +19
    What are you Shuravi damn former warrior
    when the article annoying you tells how people fought for their homeland ??
    it doesn’t matter when they fought, under Alexander Nevsky or Nicholas II
    Or was there a monopoly to fight for the Motherland only (with all the deepest respect) only among veterans of the Great Patriotic War? Did the rest go out for a walk?
    Never a veteran of any war, an Afghan including would not write such things. mummers he, this shuravi. the one whose data was taken is a helicopter pilot. And the one who writes the comments is not him, and you won’t check it. Dead number.
    Well, on business.
    The article is interesting, the photos are selected super
    Fine good
    1. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx April 14 2018 16: 16
      +2
      Quote: Some kind of Compote
      What are you Shuravi damn former warrior
      when the article annoying you tells how people fought for their homeland ??

      In fact, the argument they did not go for the article itself, but for Uryaklov’s kamenty.
      Quote: Some kind of Compote
      it doesn’t matter when they fought, under Alexander Nevsky or Nicholas II

      All the same, it was not about Alexander Nevsky, but the WWII and the Great Patriotic War. And as history teaches, what people are fighting for is important. Highly.
  17. shuravi
    shuravi April 14 2018 14: 19
    +3
    Quote: Golovan Jack

    What for?
    The fact that he is nowhere else does not prove in any way that this is exactly your photo.
    This is the same alphabet request


    The main thing is that I have it. And published on my behalf. What is the evidence.
    And if you forgot, your client ate to prove that I am a certain Shpak-cueYes, that's blown away. hi
  18. shuravi
    shuravi April 14 2018 14: 31
    +5
    Quote: Some Compote
    What are you Shuravi damn former warrior



    Yes there is.

    when the article annoying you tells how people fought for their homeland ??
    it doesn’t matter when they fought, under Alexander Nevsky or Nicholas II
    Or was there a monopoly to fight for the Motherland only (with all the deepest respect) only among veterans of the Great Patriotic War? Did the rest go out for a walk?


    To get started, read what I said, and then make a noise.
    Here I do not like such pronouncements in our time:
    on such feats and it is worth carrying out patriotic education of youth

    Therefore I say:
    For any heroism it is important which enemy is ahead of you and which rear is behind.
    During the Great Patriotic War, behind each soldier was a Motherland, which was the last one for the front, for victory.
    What now? Why do you want to sacrifice your life to a boy drafted from the provinces?
    For Abramovich’s yachts, Deripaska’s factories, or Mary Baghdasaryan’s pokatushki?
    No, you go in the ass with a similar "patriotic education."
    Here already: either a cross or underpants.
    If you want patriotism with heroism, then see capitalism and return to socialism.
    If the nit of such a desire, then a contract army with a strictly defined rate for everything: service, wounds, injuries, death.
    There is no other way. For all this patriotic education in modern conditions, is nothing more than an attempt to na ** t simpletons.
    Speculation on the death of Major Filipov is an example of this.

    I have the right to do so. And what it does not coincide with the opinion of the patriots is their problem.


    Never a veteran of any war, an Afghan including would not write such things. mummers he, this shuravi. the one whose data was taken is a helicopter pilot. And the one who writes the comments is not him, and you won’t check it. Dead number.


    Are you the mind, honor and advice of Afghanistan and Chechnya combined? Although where, by such anonymous trolls in those parts, they did not stink. To talk about patriotic education, you are always ready. But to fight, no. it let all sorts of shuravi go.
    That's it, baby.
    1. Some kind of compote
      Some kind of compote April 17 2018 17: 54
      +15
      Conquered, raided
      are you in any way the mind, honor and advice of Afghanistan and Chechnya combined? Although where, by such anonymous trolls in those parts, they did not stink. To talk about patriotic education, you are always ready. But to fight, no. it let all sorts of shuravi go.

      but go. about. Comrade forgotten how to take offense soldier
  19. Curious
    Curious April 14 2018 14: 50
    +9
    Somehow, commentators quickly became personal and the essence of the discussion was hidden behind each other's insults.
    Shuravi outlined the theme of the feat and the theme of the Motherland, in the name of which this feat is being accomplished. And what is seditious? Yes, the soldier’s feat is sacred. Although under the Grand Duke, even under the king, emperor, general secretary, president, the heroism of a soldier will remain heroism and the name of the one who stands at the helm is not able to minimize it. This is not discussed.
    But the question of who the soldier is protecting, in the name of what he accomplishes feats - this question is quite debatable. And here Shuravi quite legitimately asks questions about the fact that some are rushing on a machine gun with their breasts, and the second at that moment are rushing on money bags with their breasts.
    And I recommend treating Mr. Soldier with nerves, and then hallucinations. - a bad symptom.
    1. soldier
      soldier April 14 2018 15: 47
      +18
      Nobody rushes to any bags
      And if the war is being waged by the whole state, then the soldier is fighting for his homeland, which is waging this war. Since the summer of 1915, a Russian soldier fought for the expulsion of foreigners from the land of the Republic of Ingushetia.
      As for nerves, advice may be good, but because You are not a doctor - I will not follow him. And thank God I do not suffer hallucinations. I just understood something, installed it - more precisely.
      1. rkkasa xnumx
        rkkasa xnumx April 14 2018 16: 32
        +2
        Quote: soldier
        And if the war is being waged by the whole state, then the soldier is fighting for his homeland, which is waging this war.

        And in WWI in RI all fought? Well, or one way or another, have suffered hardships from the war? Or, nevertheless, someone fought, but someone lived happily ever after and did not blow a mustache?
        Yes, and Homeland, this is such a thing ... here is at least a definition from Wiki:
        Homeland - in a generalized sense: a country, within its borders, guaranteed by treaties at the interstate level of relations between nations, containing an area of ​​everyday life society, akin to the individual, to the fate of which he feels his spiritual involvement.
        Well, what kind of kinship and spiritual involvement was there between the peasant, and we are bourgeois. Between the worker and the Cossack. Between Russian and Kazakh, Jew and Tatar, etc.
        In general, in terms of kinship-ownership, there was not a homeland there, common for all, but a patchwork quilt.
        Quote: soldier
        Since the summer of 1915, a Russian soldier fought for the expulsion of foreigners from the land of the Republic of Ingushetia

        Cool. Ok, then for what did the Russian soldier fight from August 14th until the summer of 15th?
        1. soldier
          soldier April 14 2018 16: 49
          +17
          And in WWI in RI all fought? Well, or one way or another, have suffered hardships from the war? Or, nevertheless, someone fought, but someone lived happily ever after and did not blow a mustache?

          And in the Second World War everyone fought? Also, as if someone was hiding from the front, someone lived happily and did not blow a mustache. It was like that in both wars. And in both wars there were volunteers and heroes, cowards and traitors.
          Only one war was brought to an end, and during the second war, power was changed - and six months before the victory, our country was withdrawn from the cohort of winners. That is the main difference. And we started another war together with the allies, and at the beginning of another we were alone.
          what kind of kinship and spiritual involvement was there between the peasant and the bourgeois. Between the worker and the Cossack. Between Russian and Kazakh, Jew and Tatar, etc.

          Their land was common, homeland.
          By the way, what kind of involvement in Soviet times was between a partocrat and a hard worker? Yes the same.
          then for what did the Russian soldier fight from August 14th until the summer of 15th?

          This summer of the year 15 war was added for its territory. And the main goals and objectives were initially clear: 1) the fight against German hegemony in Europe and in the world (for this it was necessary to help the allies - for the defeat of France led to 41 years for Russia; to deal with the German bloc could only be a part of the coalition, otherwise were isolated with the ensuing consequences); 2) the fight against German aggression (it was Germany who declared war on Russia, and "drang nah osten" - the onslaught on the East - appeared already at the beginning of the 20th century - see Notovich F. I. The aggressive policy of German imperialism in the East in 1914–1918. - M.:, 1947.); 3) assistance from a union Serbia.
          A million times already talked about this.
          I'm not going to have empty talk with one person who has a hundred nicknames. Won Curios already makes comments about nerves. So dismiss the senseless verbal diarrhea. Better - with yourself, just change the nickname. hi
          1. rkkasa xnumx
            rkkasa xnumx April 14 2018 17: 27
            +1
            Quote: soldier
            And in the Second World War everyone fought? Also, as if someone was hiding from the front, someone lived happily and did not blow a mustache. It was like that in both wars.

            Quote: soldier
            By the way, what kind of involvement in Soviet times was between a partocrat and a hard worker?

            During WWII, one way or another, almost everyone suffered deprivation. Someone was at the front, someone in the factories plowed without rest. And even the most senior leaders of the children lost. In WWI, this was not close. Some died, while others filled moshna. There were a lot of those who stayed abroad. And there was almost no difference between the partocrat and the hard worker, especially in comparison with the difference between the bourgeois and the hard worker from the time of RI.
            Quote: soldier
            Their land was common, Motherland

            Reread the definition of the word Homeland. And try to think, comprehend it.
            Quote: soldier
            I'm not going to have empty talk with one person who has a hundred nicknames.

            Ostap carried ... now I have a hundred nicknames laughing
            Quote: soldier
            dismiss meaningless verbal diarrhea

            We will no longer see your delirium ?! Hallelujah! good good good
            1. soldier
              soldier April 14 2018 18: 10
              +17
              There is nothing to comprehend in relation to the Motherland. Spiritual involvement within the territory has been since the formation of the Russian ethnos. Well, there were always nuances. Then we can say that now there is no involvement - for what kind of involvement could be, I quote your passage
              peasant, and bourgeois. Between the worker and the Cossack. Between Russian and Kazakh, Jew and Tatar
              . They are all there now. And there is a single territory, spiritual and informational field, within the framework of which all of the listed subjects have ownership.
              During WWII, one way or another, almost everyone suffered deprivation. Someone was at the front, someone in the factories plowed without rest. And even the most senior leaders of the children lost. In WWI, this was not close.

              So all in WWII suffered deprivation? Say too ...
              And in WWI, did high-ranking parents of children not lose? Even the princes of imperial blood at the front died - Oleg Konstantinovich for example.
              Someone was, someone plowed. Everyone was, everyone plowed. All this is subjective and somehow childish. I don’t understand why to contrast the wars that occurred in different eras.
              We will no longer see your delirium

              you tired me, rave in solitude.
              1. BRONEVIK
                BRONEVIK April 14 2018 18: 15
                +18
                and so the Soldier continues to live in the minds of such rkass old dogmas and the remains of the Civil War. All split, all divided and opposed.
                As trouble happened 100 years ago, it continues.
                turned the German war into a civil war.
                Do not stay 8 months before the victory - get a civil war for 100 years.
                1. rkkasa xnumx
                  rkkasa xnumx April 14 2018 18: 56
                  +2
                  Quote: BRONEVIK
                  As trouble happened 100 years ago, it continues

                  Quote: BRONEVIK
                  Everyone splits, everything shares and contrasts

                  The trouble happened thirty years ago when the bourgeois seized power again. And a hundred years ago, a revolution took place, thanks to which, a backward agrarian country, turned into one of the world leaders.
                  But all these bourgeois liberals, and monarchists, divide and split just the same.
                  1. BRONEVIK
                    BRONEVIK April 14 2018 19: 26
                    +18
                    The civil war and related phenomena that cost the lives of millions of people are not worth any gigs.
                    Here are the losses in the Civil War (can be compared with the WWII) - they are a sentence to those who called for turning the external war into a Civil War.
                    A total of 2,5 million were killed and died of wounds.
                    Including: the Red Army - 950 thousand, the White and national armies - 650 thousand, partisan detachments - 900 thousand
                    2 million died as a result of terror, including 1 million 200 thousand from the Red Terror, 300 thousand from the White Terror and 500 thousand from the Partisan Terror
                    6 million died of hunger and epidemics.
                    Thus, a total of 10 million 500 thousand died.
                    Emigrated - 2 million
                    your bourgeois liberals, but monarchists.

                    Is it mine? No, you know who - 1) the current Communists, who serve modern power and are headed by millionaires; 2) ideological writers on this site who are like communists, but for some reason praise Putininoids. Every bunch of the current authorities. Such barking people are praised.
                    And one more thing: from your subordinate commentary, I realized that the Motherland is only where socialism is.
                    Still, what kind of involvement between
                    peasant and bourgeois.
                    That is, you refuse the feeling of the Motherland to all, for example, citizens of bourgeois states. And why, for example, the Belgians fought in WWI, led by the hero king Albert? What about the French?
                    So what if the Germans trampled their land, because there is no common homeland
                    bourgeois and peasants
                    .
                    These are stupid insinuations, Wikipedia interpretations in a Wise-handed way and reflections at the kindergarten level. And in general there’s nothing to talk about.
              2. rkkasa xnumx
                rkkasa xnumx April 14 2018 18: 45
                +1
                Quote: soldier
                Then we can say that now there is no involvement - for what kind of involvement could be, I quote your passage
                peasant, and bourgeois. Between the worker and the Cossack. Between Russian and Kazakh, Jew and Tatar

                Exactly !
                I'm glad that at least it came to you at last. Now, as in the days of the Republic of Ingushetia, people were divided according to the standard of living, by faith. And the result will be the same. No matter how foolishly puffed up, telling us about unity and patriotism, any serious test will lead to the same thing that it led 100 years ago.
                Quote: soldier
                So all in WWII suffered deprivation?

                With the rarest exception, that's all.
                1. ALEA IACTA EST
                  ALEA IACTA EST April 14 2018 19: 37
                  0
                  And how has all the states existing on planet No. 3 still not collapsed?
                  1. rkkasa xnumx
                    rkkasa xnumx April 14 2018 20: 04
                    0
                    Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
                    And how has all the states existing on planet No. 3 still not collapsed?

                    In the sense of ?
                    1. ALEA IACTA EST
                      ALEA IACTA EST April 14 2018 20: 20
                      0
                      If inequality exists everywhere, the power of the bourgeoisie, division by classes / estates / nationalities, why doesn’t anyone happen what happened
                      100 years ago.

                      ?
                      1. rkkasa xnumx
                        rkkasa xnumx April 14 2018 20: 34
                        0
                        Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
                        If inequality exists everywhere, the power of the bourgeoisie, division by classes / estates / nationalities, why doesn’t anyone happen what happened

                        In and of themselves, these conditions do not guarantee a revolution. Need a detonator in the form of a heavy war for example. Again, we must look at the degree of inequality, at how heavy the life of the lower classes is, how much they are ready to go against the existing orders, etc.
                        In general, as Vladimir Ilyich taught, “The lower classes do not want, the upper circles cannot.”
                        And what does it mean - "nothing happens to anyone" ? So far, at the moment it is not happening, but it was happening earlier, and will still happen in the future.
          2. Curious
            Curious April 14 2018 18: 38
            +3
            Soldier, you are directly obsessive with these nicknames. Based on your criteria, then you, Teterin and the ever-memorable Olgovich - are the same person, but under different nicknames. All three at the mention of "time under the king" lose their logic and common sense and with tenacity worthy of one biblical character, defend their position.
            As for our dispute, as Gilyarovsky wrote:
            There is terrible spring in the trenches,
            The vulgar rear rejoices here ...
            The frosty night is not terrible here -
            My conscience hardened, my mind froze!
            Look Ruga V., Kokorev A. Everyday life of Moscow. Essays on urban life during the First World War. There is the chapter "Heroes of the rear".
            1. soldier
              soldier April 14 2018 18: 53
              +17
              No obsession, verified)
              As for the type of dispute.
              I answer you Curius, not a superior comrade who still interprets as he wants.
              I wrote that spiritual involvement in the territory has been since the formation of the Russian ethnic group. She was in the WWI, in the Second World War, there is now.
              Ruga V., Kokorev A. Everyday life in Moscow. Essays on urban life during the First World War.

              I know, read it. Just do not have to absolutize and oppose anything. And in the Second World War there was a black market, underground millionaires and a shadow economy. And people lived differently - and in the regions, and depending on social affiliation. And read and listened to the stories of contemporaries. So it was all - in both wars.
              They are somewhat similar. The first was not brought to mind, it took a continuation war
              hi
              1. Curious
                Curious April 14 2018 19: 14
                +3
                But you did not answer, Olgovich you, or not you?
                1. soldier
                  soldier April 14 2018 19: 29
                  +17
                  And had to answer that?
                  You will laugh, but Olgovich - you hi
                  1. Curious
                    Curious April 14 2018 19: 35
                    +3
                    Another would be offended, but given your condition, I will not.
                    1. soldier
                      soldier April 14 2018 19: 37
                      +17
                      For God's sake
                  2. Mikado
                    Mikado April 15 2018 00: 49
                    +2
                    You will laugh, but Olgovich - you

                    all enemies and nonsense, Olgovich - me! and Skomorokhov I too! And Samsonov, to the heap! And Mr. Edward Hyde - me too! drinks (men, really, Shpakovsky has nothing to do with drinks )
              2. rkkasa xnumx
                rkkasa xnumx April 14 2018 20: 09
                +2
                Quote: soldier
                And in the Second World War there was a black market, underground millionaires and a shadow economy.

                Underground! millionaires. And there were few of them, and they lived much more modestly than the rich people of the time of RI, and present.
                Threat And yet, yes, Mr. Teterin-Olgovich, I also Curious.
            2. ALEA IACTA EST
              ALEA IACTA EST April 14 2018 19: 26
              +1
              Then I am Samsonov! fellow
              1. Mikado
                Mikado April 15 2018 00: 51
                +3
                Then I am Samsonov! fellow

                damn, I'm late .. crying just above the branch called himself him drinks but .. I remember you! wink Now, if there are questions about the Hyperborean Slavs - I will climb with requests! fellow
    2. 97110
      97110 April 17 2018 14: 13
      +2
      Quote: Curious
      This issue is quite debatable.

      What kind of discussion is there? In 1917, the heroic Russian imperial army scored ... for war and went home, sharing the property of class enemies. Before this, having satiated with German soldiers. Does it really take 4 years to fire heavy artillery with a proletarian who has been planted in a trench so that he understands who his enemy is? Our people have experience on what to do with the exploiters, who saw the benefit in the heroic death of millions of compatriots in a war with the same frivolous "enemies." "Russians" dumped from London after a missile attack? With Miami? From Paris? Why on earth? They are the same from our homeland! And Shuravi is right in raising this question, a hundred times right! And all sorts of "soldiers" should not forget about 1917.
      1. soldier
        soldier April 17 2018 17: 58
        +15
        In 1917, the heroic Russian imperial army

        since February 1917 there was no longer a “heroic Russian imperial army”.
        was the army of the Russian Republic, led by the Provisional Government - which did everything to corrupt and destroy it. What a war there is. But then rock the boat, on the old yeast ....
  20. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST April 14 2018 21: 39
    +1
    rkkasa 81,
    Neither Britain, which was in the conditions of November-41, nor Germany, which Hitler drove into an even more sad situation, did not rush into the Second War; Americans did not go lynching the president after Black Tuesday; even the French, knowledgeable in revolutions and political hooliganism, fought in the Great War no worse than their ancestors under Marengo, without thinking of surrender. One detonator can become unusable, but mass misfires are a sign of an unfit design.
    1. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx April 19 2018 06: 55
      0
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Neither Britain, which was in the conditions of November-41, nor Germany, which Hitler drove into an even more sad situation, did not rush into the Second War; Americans did not go lynching the president after Black Tuesday; even the French, knowledgeable in revolutions and political hooliganism, fought in the Great War no worse than their ancestors under Marengo, without thinking of surrender.

      So what ? Well, they didn’t. They didn’t. So there was no revolutionary situation. I already explained:
      Again, we must look at the degree of inequality, at how hard the life of the lower classes, how much they are ready to go against the existing order, etc.

      By the way, what is this - "November 41 Terms "?
  21. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 00: 21
    +4
    Quote: soldier
    And had to answer that?
    You will laugh, but Olgovich - you hi


    Yah? And how do you prove that Olgovich and the empty empty-ass sack Fedor Ivanovich are not the same thing?
    1. soldier
      soldier April 15 2018 00: 36
      +16
      hollow empty bully Fedor Ivanovich

      What are you calling something?
  22. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 00: 50
    +3
    Quote: soldier
    hollow empty bully Fedor Ivanovich

    What are you calling something?


    What do you want? You yourself slander others, while when you poke your nose into the facts, you immediately have your tongue in the ass.
    But when doubts about your identity, you immediately pout your lips with resentment.
    1. soldier
      soldier April 15 2018 07: 54
      +16
      What other facts? Have not seen. Wonders work with the current photoshop. It's true.
      I can also take a photo of my grandfather - the hero of WWI. The main thing is that no one had a photo as you say. Create a page on the internet (now even write articles in pedia) and write on the photo:
      It's me, and shuravi is a bully.

      so the poke above is just you, and the explanations are baby talk.
      but I’m talking about something else - you’ll be called back, that is, you’re behaving inappropriately. I can do that too, but I won’t.
      To become like ...
      Well, I'm talking about something else -
  23. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 10: 09
    +2
    Quote: soldier
    What other facts? Have not seen. Wonders work with the current photoshop. It's true.
    I can also take a photo of my grandfather - the hero of WWI. The main thing is that no one had a photo as you say. Create a page on the internet (now even write articles in pedia) and write on the photo:
    It's me, and shuravi is a bully.



    For God's sake. Photo of your grandfather, this is a photo of your grandfather. The presence or absence of these does not in any way cancel the fact that my photos are original.
    You either do stupid trolling, or you really don’t have enough mind to understand that there are not so many amateur photos in color for the period of Afghanistan. The film processing process is too complicated for those conditions.
    And shooting helicopter pilots in color, and even directly in flight, can be counted on the fingers.
    So here, there is no way to steal.



    so they poked above you


    What are you saying? Are you talking about your unproven troubles in trying to ascribe to me other people's identities? laughing

    and explanations are those baby talk.


    Yes of course. I quoted the printed number of the almanac above, where on the cover page is a photo made by me, in which there are my articles.
    In addition, he gave a link to his own section of the site, where there are no left personalities.
    But this is not so.
    Yes, how fat you are a troll however. laughing


    but I’m talking about something else - you’ll be called back, that is, you’re behaving inappropriately. I can do that too, but I won’t.
    To become like ...


    I do not call names, but call a spade a spade. Namely, you are a liar. who lies unprovenly.
    1. soldier
      soldier April 15 2018 11: 22
      +15
      Your verbosity already says a lot hi
      1. Bouncer
        Bouncer April 15 2018 11: 29
        +15
        verbosity says a lot

        Naturally, because the nightingale is flooded with the one who needs to make excuses.
        a real veteran will not talk so much, he’ll just send him to hell.
        throw the soldier this useless conversation. Previously, those who misappropriated a foreign uniform were put on trial, and now uncle Murzik frolic under a different guise - joking with holy things, without honor, without conscience ...
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 15 2018 11: 38
          +1
          Quote: Bouncer
          and now uncle murzik frolic under a different guise

          You get bogged down. Murzik is completely different. But is it difficult to go to Lisov's profile and read it?
          1. soldier
            soldier April 15 2018 12: 04
            +15
            What makes you think that Lisova is the person who constantly spins here under the nickname Shuravi?
            You won’t check it.
            And the behavior is not veteran. Melchit, with
      2. shuravi
        shuravi April 15 2018 12: 03
        +3
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Bouncer
        and now uncle murzik frolic under a different guise

        You get bogged down. Murzik is completely different. But is it difficult to go to Lisov's profile and read it?


        You just don’t understand. All these bouncers, soldiers nothing more than a person suffering from ChSV. Although personalities in the entire sense of the word they can not be called.
        They are extremely fond of portraying on the site experts who are such gurus, often referring to veterans. But it is worth what a real veteran to show up and say a word across, as they immediately have a tantrum.
        And the veteran is not the same. and the facts are not the same.
        Well, they are experts. It is only known to them how a “veteran” should behave.
        Therefore, these attacks on the "weak".
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 15 2018 12: 13
          +2
          Quote: shuravi
          You just don’t understand. All of these bouncers, soldiers, are nothing but sufferers.

          Well I do not know. I’m just scratching my tongue here. laughing
  24. Cananecat
    Cananecat April 15 2018 10: 30
    0
    I will dilute your debate with an extract from the award sheet of my grandfather. This is his first award, "For Courage" medal.
    Do you know about yours and remember?
  25. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 11: 09
    +2
    Quote: Canecat

    Do you know about yours and remember?


    You know, but somehow I didn’t look into my prizes. repeat
  26. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 12: 07
    +1
    Quote: Bouncer
    verbosity says a lot

    Naturally, because the nightingale is flooded with the one who needs to make excuses.
    a real veteran will not talk so much, he’ll just send him to hell.
    throw the soldier this useless conversation. Previously, those who misappropriated a foreign uniform were put on trial, and now uncle Murzik frolic under a different guise - joking with holy things, without honor, without conscience ...


    Hey boy. And you come here, express yourself:
    http://artofwar.ru/l/lisowoj_w_i/
    Or, as always, put in panties?
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer April 15 2018 12: 10
      +15
      Where are you sending me everything.
      Just on the page of that person. I know who he is.
      And then - you are he. So this is not necessary. It’s painful to mince, that's what I’m talking about.
      Somehow not solid.
      Ciao, be a hero.
  27. shuravi
    shuravi April 15 2018 14: 06
    0
    Quote: Bouncer
    Where are you sending me everything.
    Just on the page of that person. I know who he is.
    And then - you are he. So this is not necessary. It’s painful to mince, that's what I’m talking about.
    Somehow not solid.
    Ciao, be a hero.


    Go baby, take a rest.
  28. odometer
    odometer April 16 2018 14: 44
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    Pockets for gazyryr are originally used, similar photos of PVM times already came across.
  29. Grandfather Barsik
    Grandfather Barsik April 17 2018 19: 38
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    People can perform feats as heroes of this wonderful article for their Motherland - Great Russia.

    where the division of people (feats) by party, class or nationality went - write lost
    I came across ento twice - in 17 and 91 years, I hope there will not be a third time