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Memorial hatred. Let's dip together!

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We talk a lot and discuss Ukraine with our readers. We weigh the number of normal people quantitatively and qualitatively left there and think about the origins of idiocy that suddenly hit a certain part of the population.

Suddenly?

Sorry, of course not.

Today we will take you on a tour. In a very original museum, created by famous people. Thanks to the burnt nerves, colleagues around Okrugora can show and discuss.



The same museum simply had to be in Moscow, if Russia had not sharply sober from Westernism and liberalism. The museum, which will be discussed, is small and was born not in the offices of power, but in the midst of a liberal rights advocacy community.

Museum of the Soviet occupation of Ukraine.

The most interesting thing here is the creators. All of us are painfully well-known society, whose roots are not in the West, or even in Ukraine.

Well, we are sure that everyone already understood that we are talking about the Memorial Society.

Kiev Memorial Society acted on the same tracing as the Moscow one. Search for documents about the Bolshevik terror. Publication of lists of "illegally repressed." Search for mass graves. In this case, the facts were often thought out, and the number of those killed was deliberately overstated.

The museum was born when a traveling exhibition was organized in Memorial entitled “Not Forgetful: The Chronicle of the Communist Inquisition”. And this circus successfully rode through the cities and rallies.

And since 30 November 2001, the exhibition is located in the premises of the Kiev city organization of the Ukrainian society "Memorial" to them. Vasil Stus.

From that, the first exhibition in the museum stands are preserved. Today they are ready to go "outside". And the exhibits are mainly various documents, newspapers, flyers, photos.

Memorial hatred. Let's dip together!




The museum has become an exhibition thanks to President Viktor Yushchenko. It was on his personal initiative that the Kiev city organization "Memorial" conference renamed the exhibition "The Museum of Soviet Occupation" 26 in May 2007.

Modern ideologists of the Square call this museum a symbol of modern Ukraine. All Soviet история regarded as a time of aggression and terror. And the idea of ​​creating a museum, the Ukrainian "Memorial" borrowed from the Baltic, Georgian and Czech counterparts. They also have museums of the Soviet occupation.

Today, the museum exposition is actively used to raise hatred for Russia and Russians. Open lessons for schoolchildren, excursions, lectures are held in the halls of the museum. Russia in general and the Russian army in particular are considered only as criminals and occupiers.

Materials in the main exhibition of the museum are served by periods:

Bolshevik coup and the beginning of terror (1917-20).
The USSR was born out of hunger and violence (1921-23).
The price of industrialization and forced collectivization (1924-31).
Ukrainian Holocaust (1932-33).
The collapse of Ukrainization and the “big terror” (1934-38).
Collusion of two dictatorships and its consequences (1939-41).
The last decade of the Stalinist dictatorship (1942-52).
Third Hunger Strike (1946-47).
"Frosty Thaw" (1953-65).
Bloodless Totalitarianism (1966-85).
"Collapse" (1986-91).

In addition, the museum has an assembly hall in which you can watch a fairly large (for 80 pieces) collection of full-length and short-length videos.


And, of course, you can purchase didactic materials from Memorial. Here they are, waiting for their readers.

What to say about the exposure? And everything is natural.


Symbolic red barbed wire. A red thread goes through everything.


Not bad painted portraits of heroes. In their opinion.




Schemes showing, of course, all the camps where the Ukrainians were sitting.


There is a book there, “They defended their homeland,” we even doubted, whether inside. We made sure, thanks to modern means of communication - for now. About the soldiers of the Red Army, who fought against fascism. Probably by mistake got the book. But the "Chronicles of Zrad" - this is about modern Ukraine.


Very curious exhibit. As a society, "Memorial" deacon (thanks) to the head of the SBU Nalyvaychenko.

Next we have exhibit stands. From the beginning of the occupation of Ukraine and, characteristically, from the beginning of its independence. That is, as soon as Ukraine drew, it was immediately occupied. Funny.






Here the most interesting is the "map of the UNR (the Ukrainian People's Republic), recognized by the Central Powers in Brest in February 1918 of the year." With the mildest hint at half of Belgorod, Voronezh regions and Krasnodar Territory.









Of course, a fair amount of exhibits are evidence.








There is no doubt that the skulls are shot by invaders. But with sternum obviously overkill. Sorry, but a headshot is a headshot. And after him stabbing the chest with a bayonet ... Oh, yes, of course, what to take from the bloody barbarians ...


The collusion of Stalin and Hitler and its consequences ... This refers to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, of course. With arguments in the best traditions ...

The most interesting thing about the occupation of Nazi Germany is not a word. Although it would be worth it, after all, almost three years. However - silence. From 1941 to 1944, the Soviet occupation of Ukraine continued for a year ...




For moans about replacing the true faith in God with a damned communist belief, absolutely nothing is heard about the restored churches, schools, factories ... After all, not all the temples were repaired themselves?


Handsomely? Under the barbed red wire quietly so attracted the Crimea ...




But in these years, the Chief Occupant, a native of the Yekaterinoslav / Dnepropetrovsk province, Brezhnev, spread rot to Ukraine ... He built enterprises of the space and military industry, which today, understandably, in defiance of the invaders, spoiled almost everything.

Actually, then everything is as memorial. For the same canvas, the same quack with resin.


Ah, the wire is all! Now everything is fine, the occupation is over! Glory to Ukraine!!!


Glory to the director. Modestly and in thoughts about Ukraine.

I would like to finish the story about this unusual museum with the phrase of Viktor Stepanovich Chernomyrdin.

“Opening up a“ museum ”is an insult to Russian and Ukrainian peoples.” "In terms such as occupation, it is a shame to discuss this question. Why did you spit in the soul of the people?"

Well, for what, suppose, we now know. But how much this wedge is driven in tightly is a question. But the fact that this memorial of lies and fraud, we visit, is registered in all the guidebooks and reference books, says that for a long time.
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 April 6 2018 05: 38
    +4
    The current youth of Ukraine is absorbing hatred of Russia more and more and it turns out that the split between the once fraternal people for a long time.
    1. Shurale
      Shurale April 6 2018 11: 02
      +4
      Notice, before the Crimea and Donbass they didn’t even dream about this ... How did it happen? Was Crimea and Donbass the trigger? No, of course, just Ukrainians are morons, aren't they?
      1. jjj
        jjj April 6 2018 12: 55
        +3
        And you know what all this reminds. Polish representation of Katyn
    2. Maksus
      Maksus April 6 2018 19: 18
      +1
      Unfortunately, we must admit that there was terror in the USSR. People died - darkness. But at the same time, it is necessary to stop dividing people into good and bad, and just admit it was. That's all. How long has it been time to stop deciding whose French bun crunched more deliciously. Vlasovtsev - cross out, reconcile with the rest. Stop dividing the dead Russians into black and white.
      1. Prosha
        Prosha April 6 2018 21: 15
        +6
        You wrote so terribly so terribly about terror that I wonder from what time he was, and what do you mean by terror? And how much is darkness and where can I get data about it?
        1. mgero
          mgero April 6 2018 23: 15
          0
          Erunda vse. A voter Viktor Stepanovich tochno skazal poshli bi vse ukropi v .uj
        2. Maksus
          Maksus April 7 2018 10: 07
          +1
          Darkness is thousands, as if originally it were. Terror was from 1918 to the very 50's. Did not know?
          1. Prosha
            Prosha April 7 2018 11: 37
            +2
            I heard about the 20s, this is understandable, but about the rest, enlighten where to read - I was interested in what kind of terror and what is meant.
            1. Maksus
              Maksus April 7 2018 21: 05
              0
              That is, you don’t know anything about the 37-38 years? And about the post-war "landing"? The case of doctors and the fight against cosmopolitans? The first aliyah to Israel? Did not hear?
              1. Prosha
                Prosha April 8 2018 23: 12
                +1
                And where is the terror there, you have “slightly” mixed up the concepts. Sorry, not in the order of dispute, but to clarify, how old are you, if not secret?
              2. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 April 10 2018 10: 57
                0
                And where does the first aliyah to Israel? There was no mass departure of Soviet Jews to Israel under Stalin. Mass departure began in a later period.
                1. Prosha
                  Prosha April 10 2018 21: 45
                  +1
                  in fact, the Internet says that the first aliyah occurred between 1882 and 1903. And then the question immediately, what comrade to talk about? Stalin and the Bolsheviks do with it? So much for the terror ....
        3. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 April 10 2018 11: 00
          0
          Look at the materials of the 20 and 22 congresses of the CPSU. Proceedings of the Central Committee of the CPSU. Neither Malenkov, nor Molotov, nor Kaganovich denied the fact of mass repressions, which were largely illegal.
          1. Prosha
            Prosha April 11 2018 18: 20
            +1
            The question is how many masses, right there modern "historians" write darkness - they’re a thousand names !!, and when you start to count not so much, the children were not so “innocent” at all.
    3. Sheridan
      Sheridan April 9 2018 16: 15
      0
      Ideology does not need toilet workers. That’s why shit is called that.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 6 2018 06: 18
    +4
    The authors have collected sufficient visual material to understand the full depth of the influence of ukronatsists on people's minds. Everything is on a "scientific basis" - look, read, preferably do not think, and continue to hate Russia fiercely.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 6 2018 11: 57
      +9
      Quote: aszzz888
      Everything is on a "scientific basis" - look, read, preferably do not think, and continue to hate Russia fiercely.

      The fact of the matter is that using real facts and documents there is a substitution of concepts. But not the Russians and Russia are to blame for the same famine of 1933, but the actions of the authorities, who did not look at nationality at all!
      On the same so-called "Ukraine" famine hit in many ways precisely Novorossi. That is, most of the dead in the whole country from starvation are Russian people.
      Not the Ukrainians, namely the Russians and Russia (and Belarus) ruthlessly plundered in favor of all the “brothers” —the lands, resources, people, rights. ALL republics have been sucking donors for many decades!
      Visual picture:
      Ukraine and others lived much better than Russians. It is a fact.
      1. K.A.S.
        K.A.S. April 6 2018 14: 57
        +5
        among the authors, communism, the USSR, and Russians and Russia are interchangeable. Why? it turns out: if the communist Petrenko was killed, under the command of the communist Shnobelman and on the orders of the communist Dzhugashvili, then the Ukrainians are to blame for Russians and Russia!
        In response, Russia also needs to organize a museum of genocide by the Communists of the Russian people! and remember all the foreigners who mocked our people! What are we waiting for? I don’t understand?
        1. Serge Gorely
          Serge Gorely April 6 2018 15: 07
          +3
          Quote: K.A.S.
          among the authors, communism, the USSR, and Russians and Russia are interchangeable. Why? it turns out: if the communist Petrenko was killed, under the command of the communist Shnobelman and on the orders of the communist Dzhugashvili, then the Ukrainians are to blame for Russians and Russia!
          In response, Russia also needs to organize a museum of genocide by the Communists of the Russian people! and remember all the foreigners who mocked our people! What are we waiting for? I don’t understand?

          So you are a nationalist? And which nations are foreigners in Russia? Can I list it?
          1. K.A.S.
            K.A.S. April 6 2018 15: 49
            +2
            do not compose what I did not say !!! I can not be nationalists, for education! And what's wrong with being a nationalist? nationalist for the happiness of his people. sacrifices the interests of others. and the Communists have the interests of their people in the sacrifice for the happiness of others! our common homeland would not have appeared on the map if it had not been for the Communists !!!
            Quote: Serge Gorely
            Quote: K.A.S.
            among the authors, communism, the USSR, and Russians and Russia are interchangeable. Why? it turns out: if the communist Petrenko was killed, under the command of the communist Shnobelman and on the orders of the communist Dzhugashvili, then the Ukrainians are to blame for Russians and Russia!
            In response, Russia also needs to organize a museum of genocide by the Communists of the Russian people! and remember all the foreigners who mocked our people! What are we waiting for? I don’t understand?

            So you are a nationalist? And which nations are foreigners in Russia? Can I list it?

            agree that the nation has territory? in Russia with the Dagestanis. at the Yakuts. Jews and Tatars, others have their own republics! do you agree with these? then tell me how is a russian person. What is a Russian person called a nation that does not have its own republic in the state where this nation lives and is state-forming?
            1. Serge Gorely
              Serge Gorely April 6 2018 15: 53
              +4
              Watch the movie "Shirley-Myrli." Then you can read serious literature. Any government that relies on nationalism crashes. An example of Ukraine is the freshest.
              1. K.A.S.
                K.A.S. April 6 2018 16: 01
                +4
                Yes, I'm shocked by your conclusions, now I'm not even angry with you! here you read a lot of books looked shirley myrli could not answer: agree that the nation has territory? in Russia with the Dagestanis. at the Yakuts. Jews and Tatars, others have their own republics! do you agree with these? then tell me how is a russian person. What is a Russian person called a nation that does not have its own republic in the state where this nation lives and is state-forming?
                simplify the question, where is your homeland son? Dagestanis have a network, others have it, but where is yours? and why isn’t she?
                1. Serge Gorely
                  Serge Gorely April 6 2018 16: 16
                  +3
                  Are we on you? I don’t need to simplify. Shirley - Myrli is very difficult for you .. In general, the atlas for grade 4. The device of the Russian Federation. There is also the Constitution ... No, it's too early for you. Then we say goodbye to you. I hope forever.
              2. Conrad
                Conrad April 6 2018 21: 50
                +3
                Quote: Serge Gorely
                Any government that relies on nationalism crashes.

                But what about Poland? Lives and lives!
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 April 10 2018 11: 52
              0
              The entire territory of the Russian Federation is the territory of its people, primarily Russian, in view of its undoubted numerical predominance. In a narrow sense, Russian territories are territories of territories, regions, cities of federal significance of Moscow, St. Petersburg and Sevastopol, although this is not declared anywhere. But this is obvious. Plus, a de facto number of republics and autonomous regions with a clear predominance of Russians in the composition of the population and in the leadership: Karelia, Khakassia, Mordovia, Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, etc. Mordovia, Karelia, Khakassia are the common land of Russians and Mordovians, Karelians, Khakasses, etc. etc.
      2. rkkasa xnumx
        rkkasa xnumx April 6 2018 14: 59
        +3
        Quote: Olgovich
        it was the Russians and Russia (and Belarus) that ruthlessly plundered in favor of all the “brothers” —the lands, resources, people, rights. ALL republics have been sucking donors for many decades!

        Quote: Olgovich
        Visual picture

        Only foolishly narrow-minded, they can conclude from this picture that the Russians were robbed to please others.
        In fact, everything is simple - do you need to develop the potential of the Union republics, develop oil, gas, coal, metals, etc., and develop the agricultural potential? Necessary. And that means serious financial and human injections are needed. Therefore, one resident of the Union republics accounted for more circles-rubles. And these circles, they went not only to the indigenous inhabitants of the republics, but also visitors, especially Russians.
        And the Russians were in no hurry to run away from that “bad” life. And they fled already when the anti-Soviet came to power in Moscow, when they began to break up the Soviet Union, and on the outskirts separatism with nationalism raised its head.
        Quote: Olgovich
        Ukraine and others lived much better than Russians. It is a fact.

        This is a lie.
        1. K.A.S.
          K.A.S. April 6 2018 15: 31
          +5
          it's true!!! lived better. about the Baltic states sure 120 %%%%%% !!!!! In the RSFSR, poverty. dullness, scarcity (except for capitals) and envy of those Russians who do not live in Russia!
          About potential in general is a masterpiece !!! Learn how Americans, British are developing their potential, after this development these inhabitants live even better. and in the USSR, Russians explored explored deposits of oil-gas-coal-metals, etc., but they lived worse than republics! the fact of my innocence can be the current situation, when, without injections from Russia, the “breadwinners” quickly became impoverished, and Russia, on the contrary! and went for the ruble because they wanted to earn. Now they are going to earn money in the Russian Federation!
          How were you in no hurry to run away — and runaways from the country and defectors?
          Separatism and nationalism on the outskirts and within the consequence of the "wise" policy of the CPSU to create ethnic republics! In general, I think that the Communists laid such a bomb with this division that the collapse of Russia is a matter of time (God forbid that I should be wrong!)
          1. rkkasa xnumx
            rkkasa xnumx April 6 2018 16: 12
            +2
            Quote: K.A.S.
            lived better. about the Baltic states sure 120 %%%%%% !!!!!

            Lived about the same. Sure 200 %%%%%% !!!!!!
            Quote: K.A.S.
            learn how Americans, Britons harness the potential

            And what about the Americans and the British?
            Quote: K.A.S.
            lived worse than the republics! the fact of my innocence can be the current situation, when without injections from Russia ... now they are going to earn money in the Russian Federation!

            Before the Bolsheviks, Russians lived worse than the outskirts. The fact of the fact that I was right could be the situation when the nationalities did not go to Russia, but Russians from Russia to the SA, for example, moved.
            Then, thanks to the Soviet regime, the standard of living of the Russians grew very much, and still remains the highest of the former Soviet republics.
            Quote: K.A.S.
            I generally think that the Communists laid such a bomb with this division that the collapse of Russia is a matter of time

            Another bonba from the Bolsheviks ...
            1. _Sergei_
              _Sergei_ April 7 2018 05: 37
              +3
              rkkasa 81 We went to Kazakhstan for food from the Altai Territory. After salary every month. And not just for groceries, but also for clothes. We had empty shelves, and their stores were bursting with goods, and they bought children's literature from them - we didn’t.
              1. rkkasa xnumx
                rkkasa xnumx April 7 2018 08: 06
                0
                Quote: _Sergey_
                We went to Kazakhstan for food from Altai Krai

                And right now they’re driving. And not only from the Altai Territory.
                1. _Sergei_
                  _Sergei_ April 7 2018 12: 01
                  +3
                  Now we have our products in a blockage. And more than half of it is Altai.
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich April 7 2018 05: 15
          +2
          Quote: rkkasa 81
          Only narrow minded, can from this picture conclude that the Russians were robbed to please others.

          Ek you own .... lol
          Quote: rkkasa 81
          Actually simple - Do you need to develop the potential of the Union republics, develop oil, gas, coal, metals, etc., and develop agricultural potential? Necessary.

          Other simplicity is worse than theft .... fool А in Russia -DID not have to master
          Quote: rkkasa 81
          deposits of oil-gas-coal-metals, etc., develop agricultural potential
          ?! belayRUSSIA-ITS money, people, resources, were not needed? belay WHY because Russian score?! RSFSR ALWAYS been a donor
          Quote: rkkasa 81
          And these circles, they went to not only the indigenous inhabitants of the republics, but also visitors, primarily Russian.
          belay fool lol
          Quote: rkkasa 81
          something in a hurry Russian escape from that - a "bad" life.

          Where to run? Back to the impoverished hopeless Russian village?
          Remember the disaster of the elderly in Russia in the 90s? Imagine WHAT happened to the same RUSSIAN old people, but in the NATIONAL republics - “sister brothers”! This is a terrible tragedy that has not yet been described! To which they were doomed.
          Quote: rkkasa 81
          and on the outskirts, separatism with nationalism raised its head.

          Which you brought up: under YOU, the ancient Ukrainian people appeared, YOU came up with a history that never existed, literature, literary language, and “state”. ALL creative intelligentsia brought up by YOU (all party members, as a rule) of the “republics” turned out to be fiercely Nazi.
          Quote: rkkasa 81
          Quote: Olgovich
          Ukraine and others lived much better than Russians. It is a fact.
          This is a lie.

          Well, why do you like-such ignoramuses?
          Or are you like that, because you are ignorant? Probably.....
          1. rkkasa xnumx
            rkkasa xnumx April 7 2018 08: 04
            0
            Quote: Olgovich
            And in RUSSIA -NOT it was necessary to master

            Mr. fool Tell us, where was it in Russia, for example, was oil? Or good conditions for growing cotton?
            Quote: Olgovich
            Where to run? Back to the impoverished hopeless Russian village. Remember the disaster of the elderly in Russia in the 90s? Imagine WHAT happened to the same RUSSIAN old people, but in the NATIONAL republics - “sister brothers”! This is a terrible tragedy that has not yet been described! To which they were doomed.

            You don’t wag your tail. The Nazis say that they allegedly offended the Russians, but at the same time the Russians were in no hurry to run away from the Union republics, which means that these circles and rubble got them.
            Quote: Olgovich
            when YOU appeared the ancient Ukrainian people

            Firstly, you are lying about the Ukrainian people. And secondly - Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Azerbaijanis - also come up with? And who is interesting?
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich April 7 2018 14: 39
              +2
              Quote: rkkasa 81
              Mr., tell us, where was it in Russia, for example, was oil?

              Is it really a school or an educational program? Open the textbook for the 3rd grade. yes
              Quote: rkkasa 81
              You don’t wag your tail. The Nazis say that they allegedly offended the Russians, but at the same time the Russians were in no hurry to flee the Union republics, which means that these circles are rubble them and got it.

              Not "them," but "them." But how many Russians are compared to the indigenous ones? Once again: WHERE was the Russian run-back to the impoverished Russian village from which they barely escaped? In poor (compared with Ukraine, Moldova) Russia? fool
              Quote: rkkasa 81
              about the first - you're lying about the Ukrainian people.

              What the lie? You study - WHEN will you start? WHEN Ukrainian institutions appeared "history", Ukrainian "literature", literary Ukrainian language, and? Is it hard to read a story?
              When YOU invented all this!
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 April 10 2018 11: 57
              0
              I will not say about the Kazakhs and Azerbaijanis, but the Uzbeks in Soviet times were partly a constructed ethnic group. For the convenience of the Sarts, a number of small ethnic groups and tribal groups were included in the composition of the Uzbeks (the people that really existed before the revolution). However, they quickly integrated and began to feel like representatives of the Uzbek people.
      3. KLV
        KLV April 9 2018 08: 15
        0
        Colleague, determine the concepts of "donor" and "recipient", please, and do not confuse others!
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich April 9 2018 12: 29
          0
          Quote: KLV
          Colleague, determine the concepts of "donor" and "recipient", please, and do not confuse others!
          How can you decide on them? Just know the definitions of these concepts.
          In the sentence he deleted part of the phrase and it turned out, really, is absurd. request However, the majority, as I can judge, understood the meaning perfectly and - "did not get confused" .....
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 6 2018 06: 46
    +9
    about the occupation of Nazi Germany - not a word
    When the Russian (Soviet) "occupation" is at the forefront, in which the regime today brings up children and adolescents, then the German, in their opinion, simply did not exist. The same is true for the Baltic states, Poland, and even Georgia, which also appears to have undergone "Soviet occupation." Russophobic stench from these republics is no longer flowing, but rushing with the strongest pressure.
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic April 6 2018 07: 06
    +7
    Roman, bring the ships to the power centers and Putin’s statements about the dictator Stalin! Either tell the whole truth that any power blames its predecessors in all troubles, or do not raise this topic at all!
    1. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx April 6 2018 09: 13
      +9
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Roman, bring the ships to the power centers and Putin’s statements about the dictator Stalin!

      I support. We ourselves are far from all right, and this is worth remembering. The blackening of the Soviet period in our country blooms and smells, and they tell us everything about Ukraine.
  5. igordok
    igordok April 6 2018 07: 08
    +4
    Not the whole picture of the occupation. And where, recently announced, are 300 years of occupation.
  6. Basil50
    Basil50 April 6 2018 07: 08
    +10
    Well, in modern RUSSIA, for journalists of all stripes, it has become mandatory to kick and spit in Bolshevikov, in Vladimir Ilyich Lenin and, of course, in Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, otherwise no one will publish them and they will not be invited to hang out on TV.
    1. Igor V
      Igor V April 6 2018 10: 17
      +4
      It's the same on the radio. Sometimes it seems that a certain attitude towards the Soviet Union and its leaders and citizens is the main thing when hiring for work on the radio.
    2. K.A.S.
      K.A.S. April 6 2018 15: 13
      +2
      Correct you, not to spit, but to tell the truth !!! which many people do not know, and fans of your idols and you are embarrassed to tell this truth!
      Well, for example, tell the truth thanks to whom and on what basis in the present Ukraine and other republics did Russian lands and people enter? tell why your idols created a country from which people fled (not the most stupid and not the most lazy)? tell why your idols shouted about a bad west, but at the same time constantly begged for money and technology from this west. food and stuff! For which Grokhovsky (the hero of a recent article) and hundreds of other silent inventors, peasants, were killed. workers, priests, nobles (by the way, the new government did not arrange the genocide of the communists together with their families, although it would have been necessary. but given that the new government has many former communists this is understandable) ??? You can ask so many questions that you can not answer !!!
      my opinion is not only the opinion of an individual person, it is the opinion of a people who see from sleep and soberly evaluate the era of communism !!! and if you pass a law that will oblige the Communists to compensate for the exposition of the people, then you will be left alone (and even that is unlikely, since you will rush to count the profits due)
      1. kan123
        kan123 April 6 2018 16: 31
        +5
        Enough to write about the "great Russia that we lost" - RI was a backward, land of bastardism - all that you write "minds" are "nobles" - they were lordly tasks - they can’t even be read - the language is such a spoiled master, slave owner. Not a single mind was harmed - they were just striving abroad, as the “New Nobles” are today - and after losing the game, all who wanted to do it were dumped in their Paris, someone couldn’t return, because they had done things, and commanders were in the leadership Red Army, civilian bloodlines - this is the most terrible kind of war, even worse than nat wars. Those who wanted and could stay - remained - the engineers, the intelligentsia, almost all the officers who did not benefit from the white cause, fought for the Red Army. On the contrary, obviously, there was a dropout, all rot, all these lordly squabbles. In the twenties these "minds" remained - Ilf and Petrov described - Ipollit Matveyich Vorobyaninin - they painted him from real "former" "leaders of the nobility." And when types like the pornographer Bunin went to eat three-throat to Paris, they wrote that they would not “let the Bolsheviks come out“ good ”in this story” - the blackening began - almost everything was turned upside down - they wrote the opposite. Rot went out - traitors, - no - the best minds of the fatherland left, etc. This is how propaganda works, at all times - everyone writes on the contrary, as the United States today. Bandits take over the country - no, they are fighting for democracy, and so on.
      2. Prosha
        Prosha April 6 2018 21: 46
        +2
        You can ask so many questions that you can not answer !!!

        And you did not try to just read the story, and clarify with smart people (historians, economists) some aspects that are difficult to perceive. And half of your reasoning and questions will go away as unnecessary. All your questions were asked not by you, but by you, because you have huge flaws in studying the history of your country, and you sincerely thought that it was true and why no one spoke about it? And they took all the lies and husks that bloomed violently in the Kiev Museum, into their arsenal and are now trying to preach wise thoughts on this site. True, she is always alone, only they interpret it each in her own way! And tell me what idols this fled from the country? Probably those who steered space, launched new power plants and rolling mills, conducted scientific research, and built the defense of Russia? The era of communism was neither good nor bad, it was! As well as other epoch-making events, they need not be evaluated with the experience of a first-grader. Your insight is taking into account modern realities and you absolutely cannot imagine yourself in the place of those people whose actions you are trying to judge. You have a different upbringing, your education is different, you even have a pencil !!! And you are trying to judge the historical truth) and not just judge, but to generalize and give out your fantasies for the opinion of the people !!!
        adopt a law that will oblige the Communists to compensate for the expropriated from people, then you will be left alone
        that’s the nature of your right-wing activity — selfish interest, so that they return to you everything that you supposedly took away, and you are sure that there is something to give away?
      3. Conrad
        Conrad April 6 2018 22: 14
        +2
        Quote: K.A.S.
        Well, for example, tell the truth thanks to whom and on what basis in the present Ukraine and other republics did Russian lands and people enter?

        Actually, the present Ukraine was not created at all by the Bolsheviks. This idea is German and has been implemented for a long time, at least before the creation of the RSDLP!
        Quote: K.A.S.
        Your idols created a country from which people fled (not the most stupid and not the most lazy)?

        From all countries, let anyone run. This is generally not an indicator of either a system, a country, or even a period!
        Quote: K.A.S.
        Your idols shouted about a bad west, but at the same time constantly begged for money and technology from this west. food and stuff!

        Do not LA indicate the period please! (Is it Lenin or Stalin beg for money? Or maybe Khrushchev?)
        Quote: K.A.S.
        For which Grokhovsky (the hero of a recent article) and hundreds of other silent inventors, peasants, were killed. workers, priests, nobles

        But how do I know, I have not read criminal cases. And they were made for everyone! And in each case, you need to look and understand. It may be a secret for you, but today go to jail and talk with the prisoners, so there is not one guilty either! All either negotiated or coincidence!
        Quote: K.A.S.
        You can ask so many questions that you can not answer!

        Please ask! And look and find!
        Quote: K.A.S.
        these are the opinions of the people who are seeing

        About this and the article, how is this opinion of the people formed !!!
  7. parusnik
    parusnik April 6 2018 09: 28
    +10
    We have no better ... Yeltsin Center, private museums to Vlasov, Krasnov ..
    1. Semen1972
      Semen1972 April 6 2018 10: 26
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      We have no better ... Yeltsin Center

      And what is there, "take away the victory of our grandfathers"?
    2. BAI
      BAI April 6 2018 10: 27
      +2
      Yeltsin Center,

      I wanted to say the same thing.
  8. novel66
    novel66 April 6 2018 10: 12
    +2
    stab with a bayonet into the sternum? Red Army soldiers were not trained in bayonet fighting? mess!
  9. Imobile
    Imobile April 6 2018 10: 24
    +7
    Ukrainians have benefited the most from the Occupation. Sufferers in the USSR lived 10 times better than the Occupant. The Holodomor was not only in Ukraine, but also in Russia. It’s just that there was a forest in Russia, my mother told me how they birch branches ground and ate. There was no forest in Ukraine, so hunger was stronger. They create a myth for Ukrainians that they alone were starving. And about cannibalism, a mother’s acquaintance told me not so long ago that when they worked together on a collective farm, in those hungry years, she wanted to eat my mother, that she was drawn to it ... It all depends on the people and what they ate children in that terrible hungry time
    1. Opera
      Opera April 6 2018 11: 32
      +5
      Quote: Imobile
      Ukrainians have benefited the most from the Occupation. Sufferers in the USSR lived 10 times better than the Occupant. The Holodomor was not only in Ukraine, but also in Russia.

      Exactly! And everything else up to animal Russophobia is a completely logical process of creating pseudo-nation and pseudo-state! And how do you like differently ?! Spit in your real story is a completely natural choice of the pseudonation of the illusory living in history! You just have to honestly look at history and understand that this process did not begin with the collapse of the USSR! Then all this took on its real shape! But all this was implanted during the long Soviet years, beginning with forced Ukrainization, planting some sort of different from supposedly Ukrainian culture and just the peculiarity of the “Ukrainian people”. which many natural Petrovs and Ivanovs became overnight!
      The Museum is the smallest! Yes, and the center in Yekaterinburg, too ... But no worse than propaganda about the Russian Empire, as a prison of nations! And the Lenin fall in Ukraine is a matter of the same order with the total renaming and destruction of the old world in the Bolshevik years! Everything returns to normal and is rewarded on business! And everything naturally follows from the previous one! The Russian people, of which both Ukrainians and Belarusians are a part, must know their truly great history as it is! Without propaganda husk! At least in order not to step on the same rake. After all, those who themselves destroyed the monuments, renamed streets, cities, peoples and entire countries and denigrated the entire previous history would have to understand that someday their idols would be destroyed too!
    2. kan123
      kan123 April 6 2018 16: 12
      +9
      In Ukraine, there was famine in each region in different ways, in the Kiev region. they dragged the whole crop to "their own needs" - how much is a kg of bread and a liter of moonshine (?) - they had frozen winter crops, they even had nothing to sow on spring crops - they all pulled them apart - they didn’t do anything. The statistical bureau made forecasts for the crop, the grain was - heaps, and when they began to hand over the plan - they exported everything clean, because they pulled the grain. And what they were afraid of - they always free then the center will send. A reserve for crop failures is the law, after another tsarist famine, which once every ten years as scheduled, is a very bad fortune, and one or two less. at 20 there was a famine - in the 30th there was a famine, and in the 40th it wasn’t - because the evil Stalin planted cartoplay all these Khochels, since they are so stupid. This is a greedy tsar, planted with grain, which was the currency, and Stalin thought all about people, about these unfortunate Ukrainians tortured by the occupation of Russia. When the crop failure hit, about which even a hedgehog knew already in the middle of summer, no one even scratched it, and when the crop hit in all areas - including Asia and the north, throughout the European part, this stupidity and greed and love for a freebie turned around millions of victims. On the Volga region, the same tramp was happening - the peasantry was everywhere limited, but the Ukrainians managed to set records of inadequacy, even on the average level of the peasantry in general.
  10. Semen1972
    Semen1972 April 6 2018 10: 24
    +6
    The author once again showed. that the USSR was doomed, since only Russia is a fair and spiritual re-republic, all the rest are corrupt, godless and fallen sticks. Russia was cleansed of them and became great. The author is well done, he clearly showed everything !!! Putin's Russia has proven that this is the best place on Earth !!!!
  11. BAI
    BAI April 6 2018 10: 32
    +8
    Actually a strange position of the authors.
    So, anti-Sovietism and anti-communism in Ukraine are bad. And on the site (VO), where they are moderators and administrators - okay?
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 April 6 2018 12: 04
      +2
      Chernomyrdin was the ambassador to Ukraine. When anti-Russian propaganda was already in full swing. and he pretended. that nothing happens. "The Ukrainian people are fraternal people. Therefore, how much gas is needed. We will give as much!" . therefore, we sat on the neck. We need to know the history. I was simply amazed. when I typed in Yandex “search for the repressed” by his last name. In the column “reason for arrest” many had the straightforward phrase - “because the Cossack” So, we all had Cossacks and nonresidents in the Don before the revolution! And now in every city and village there are certainly Sverdlov streets. Uritsky and other "fiery revolutionaries." but in fact --- the executioners of the Russian people.
      1. BAI
        BAI April 6 2018 14: 52
        0
        And I don’t even need to google anything. I have directly repressed in my family - my mother-in-law at the age of 10 got into exile. Officially has perks like innocently repressed. Neither what next?
    2. Semen1972
      Semen1972 April 6 2018 12: 24
      0
      Quote: BAI
      So, anti-Sovietism and anti-communism in Ukraine are bad. And on the site (VO), where they are moderators and administrators - okay?

      And here it’s good or bad, it can’t be measured at all. The question is a lie or not. I do not like the scoop and do not want to live in that scoop, but this does not mean that our grandfathers should be considered occupiers.
  12. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 April 6 2018 12: 56
    0
    looked at the pictures, if I were Ukrainian, then after viewing them I would become a hero of Ukraine. The haste takes.
    1. Prosha
      Prosha April 6 2018 21: 56
      +2
      You are right, I also noticed that if I didn’t know the topic of the conversation, I would very quickly believe in everything that was presented at the exhibition, the years were clearly chosen, it was painted with facts and photographs, probably audio materials ... In general, diligent guys came up very talented, however, diligent guys in the NTS and OUN, and with the surge of new blood after the 90s, and with the advent of new technologies, the work reached a new qualitative level. What is not pleasing, a lot of even quite smart people, refusing to turn on their heads, believe in such "novelties of history."
  13. AleBors
    AleBors April 6 2018 13: 16
    +1
    It's time to open a museum of idiocy and debilitation. Fortunately, exhibits are still walking in the streets. It is necessary to dry, and someone to alcohol. Direct competition of the St. Petersburg Kunstkamera will ...
  14. Curious
    Curious April 6 2018 14: 34
    +1
    As Monk Brant wrote five hundred years ago:
    "To whom the bitch hit the pupil,
    Let him get the knot out earlier
    And then he tells a friend:
    "Sorrel, they say, in your eye."
    1. Antares
      Antares April 7 2018 11: 34
      0
      Quote: Curious
      As Monk Brant wrote five hundred years ago:

      I have the idea that this is such an all-Russian HPP. Like, let's pay attention to Ukraine, because it is possible and welcomed and popular, but under this gorilka we’ll just remember about our “log”
      Directly impossible, it will be slander, propaganda of the sworn West, rocking of the boat / galley and five hundred columns.
  15. kan123
    kan123 April 6 2018 15: 52
    +4
    Trillions were actually transferred to Ukraine, in factories, institutes - they built everything from scratch, and since this is the richest republic, it has always managed to be subsidized, like the other 13 except Belarus, it turns out that one RFSR worked for the Ukrainians, so that they, darling, well eaten fat. Real Ukrainians have never worked - everyone carried out the eastern regions, and the western ones plundered it. They came from Moscow to Kiev, there, Moscow was like a village - how much money was invested, how much these "stupid quilted jackets" were humped into this occupied, unhappy Ukrainian SSR. Remove the Russian Federation, Russia, and Ukraine will have only huts, as in the works of Gogol, with village dullness, cruelty, alcoholism, unsanitary conditions and sexually transmitted diseases. Where do they strive. The history of Ukraine is a story of stupidity — a hundred years ago it was the same — they threw professors out of the departments, and planted an “uncle” with crests, and Turkish pants that they could not read, they stank of onions, and vodka, and they constantly farted, from your fat - as these "leaders" are today. Russia invested the labor of its people in factories, and they cut it all down and sold it to Turkey, for scrap, the army, navy, aviation — they all sold, they bought luxury means, and it’s useless to buy brains — they won’t take root.
    The leaders of the USSR, a hundred years ago, like today, did not want to “occupy” anything there - Ukraine was already then a well-known "power" - they divided the eastern, central regions, with a more sane population, made two "Ukraine" - the second with the capital in Kharkov. Whoever needed them, this bunch of senility - had to go in there, because there began "democracy" - "in every region according to the gang," secondly Poland, trained by the British, would take everything there. An interesting occupation - in which there was only harm for Russia, and the disconnection from this "colony", the rebels, was a great success, which by the way few noticed.
    1. Curious
      Curious April 6 2018 16: 58
      0
      I wonder how old you are?
  16. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA April 6 2018 17: 06
    +5
    The collusion of Stalin and Hitler and its consequences ... This refers to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, of course.

    Ai-ai-ai ... and how not ashamed for a democratic Ukraine to use the lands illegally seized from the light of the Western world in Eastern Europe. Well, Ukrainians, along with the condemnation of the "cannibalistic regime" did not return Kresy wschodnie previous owner? wink
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 8 2018 16: 34
      0
      "Our needs to be returned, but we cannot be taken from us" is the logic of dill.
  17. tv70
    tv70 April 6 2018 18: 04
    +1
    I'm sitting, reading, fucking fucking! If we fed, built enterprises, helped as much as we could, with the republics, the socialist camp and various Asian countries, then maybe they, not we, are the invaders! It seems like they are masturbating, they forced themselves to plow. recourse
  18. dimann271
    dimann271 April 6 2018 19: 58
    0
    Who are you? I. Where do you get these?
  19. Nikolay Kuznetsov
    Nikolay Kuznetsov April 6 2018 20: 27
    +1
    Give me any event, fact, historical era and I will present you ALL with three or four assessment options. With such emotions, with such pathos I will write that everyone will be believed by those who want to believe in this particular version ... !!! We all live in captivity of our templates and schemes. It’s easier for us, but it doesn’t mean more objective .. And only a few try to look honestly in the eyes of Truth and our conscience ... Do not judge Ukrainians, they can be understood. Another question can be forgiven ?
    1. Prosha
      Prosha April 6 2018 22: 01
      +1
      Betrayal has never been forgiven by anyone, you can put up with it, you can’t forgive! At Gogol N.V. it’s better written about it - the great man and writer, a visionary!
      1. Nikolay Kuznetsov
        Nikolay Kuznetsov April 7 2018 08: 43
        0
        Yes! Of course they betrayed .., but where were ours? Did not see what is happening in Ukraine, did not see what generation is growing ??? Yes, we saw and understood, but only our Avos has not been canceled .. We do not know how to act in advance .. Tough and convincing. We are shy, We think we are loved and love a common story .. And? The collapse of all illusions !!!
        1. Prosha
          Prosha April 7 2018 11: 45
          +1
          Forgive me, when your neighbor’s child begins to behave differently than you think. You will not go to educate his parents: they will figure it out themselves, this is their own business, etc. I don’t think that the special services looked through, most likely both saw and tried to react somehow, who will tell us now.
          1. Nikolay Kuznetsov
            Nikolay Kuznetsov April 7 2018 14: 35
            0
            Okay, what now. Everything is clear with them and let it be as it will ....
  20. Aviator_
    Aviator_ April 6 2018 21: 21
    +1
    Raw article. "A lot of beech." To convey the idea of ​​"suffering" Svidomo need much less text. The impression is that payment is on copyright sheets.
  21. ibirus
    ibirus April 6 2018 21: 31
    +1
    I don’t care what will be in Ukraine, what they will do next. The main thing is that our leadership suddenly does not decide to start helping these mankurts rebuild their country at our expense under the slogans of a brotherly and united people. Enough of this heresy.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 8 2018 16: 32
      0
      Thrown from the large bell tower of Pedro, there will be a cunning and cunning dill, which will repent, shed a tear, and again we will begin to help the virtual country of Ukraine for the umpteenth time in the last 600 years.
  22. akudr48
    akudr48 April 6 2018 22: 54
    +2
    Memorial hatred. Let's dip together!

    Again, the ignoble ex-brothers were ahead of us!

    Although it cannot be said that they are absolutely ahead of us, we also have achievements.

    For example, how do authors view plywood fences on Red Square covering the Mausoleum on May 9, the Mausoleum at the foot of which the banners of defeated Germany were thrown?
    That this event would not happen, because Stalin and the Marshals of Victory stood on the rostrum of the mausoleum?

    Is this considered a memorial hatred of the USSR or not, do you think?
  23. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy April 7 2018 00: 05
    +3
    But the fact that this, so to speak, memorial of lies and fraud, we visit, is registered in all guidebooks and directories, suggests that for a long time.

    Chu ... surprised!)))
    Putin and the Yeltsin Center.

    Putin and the Wailing Wall.

    Putin and the draped Lenin Mausoleum, as a place where the banners of the troops of defeated Nazi Germany were thrown.

    And yet, as they say in Odessa: "What do you have that we don’t have (in Russia)? lol
  24. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala April 8 2018 09: 37
    +1
    Occupation, yeah. Just tell me, how much has the population of Ukraine decreased over 25 years of independence and how many large enterprises or research institutes have been built?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 8 2018 16: 22
      0
      Well, it’s the fault "damned Muscovites, but not Natsik.
  25. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 8 2018 16: 21
    +1
    It turns out that all the "Ukrainians" were only Natsiks and Bandera, but by no means Bolsheviks. But here is Kozhedub, Chernyakhovsky, Lyudmila Pavlichenko who they will be according to the modern "Svidomo" ideology.
  26. Altona
    Altona April 9 2018 08: 07
    0
    Quote: Maksus
    Unfortunately, we must admit that there was terror in the USSR. People died - darkness.

    -------------------------------------------------
    Terror was in tsarist Russia, terror was in the Civil War. For some reason, not a word about the terror of the interventionists. That terror, which was under the Soviet regime, he was justified. Basically, he went through all sorts of businessmen, robbers and criminals. Unfortunately, the time was like that.
  27. Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis April 9 2018 08: 24
    0
    Quote: Shurale
    Was Crimea and Donbass the trigger? No, of course, just Ukrainians are morons, aren't they?

    From the very beginning of the existence of the “Ukrainian State,” hatred of everything Russian, Russian was brought up, cultivated on an independent nenka. Crimea and Donbass were counterbalances did not allow to enter the nationalist hysteria Svidomo elite! With the collapse of Ukraine, Svidomo’s hands are untied. What is not clear here? But the "stupid people" Ukrainians or not Svidomo power of Ukraine does not care. However, as is the opinion of the inhabitants of Ukraine. They grabbed the richest lands, with a wonderful climate, factories, ports, a peaceful population, and a lot of other property. Now the main task is not to release all this from sticky, trembling, greedy smelly hands.
  28. KLV
    KLV April 9 2018 08: 26
    0
    "The most interesting thing about the occupation of Nazi Germany is not a word. Although it would be worth it, because for three years it’s almost all the same."
    Authors, do you want to say about the occupation of Germany by Ukraine? Be careful with your articles! WRITE: "... about the occupation of Nazi Germany ...". Fix it!
  29. intuzazist
    intuzazist April 9 2018 15: 38
    0
    Quote: Prosha
    how old are you if not a secret?

    And in response to silence .... The kid merged! In the current school do not pass, what is characterized by terror ...................
    1. Prosha
      Prosha April 9 2018 22: 07
      0
      I often notice that those who talk about the darkness of the executed and repressed, when you start pulling them out for specifics, begin to "get confused in the evidence." I don’t whitewash that time, and people were no better than now, but we still don’t understand them, they had their own ideas about that life. And they can’t be judged in any way, the IMHO history does not teach anyone who is trying to judge, it only warns how a similar act may end in the future.
  30. kan123
    kan123 April 10 2018 18: 30
    0
    Ukraine is a country of the 90s, trash. In the same place, as you arrive in the 90s - everything is the same. What difference does it make which museum they opened. Museum pancake. They are no longer interested in museums. Europeans, Americans, think that they just need to be disposed of, more less culturally. When they began to burn cops in squares, cut them in the streets and each other - this was the plan of the West, in Ukraine. It’s just - they’ll take it down, there’s only people to do — they will probably send everyone to the war with the Russian Federation. Such a "country" has no right to life, what other museums do they have?