American F / A-18 Super Hornet "learned" to do without pilots

The US Navy has tested a new system of remote control of the aircraft. The system was named ATARI (aircraft terminal approach remote inceptor), reports "Warspot" with reference to the portal flightglobal.com

Remote control fighter system ATARI

The system was first tested in the 2016 year, and during past tests, operators successfully flew F / A-18 Super Hornet fighter jets in the air and learned to put them on the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier. The tests were considered successful.

With the help of the ATARI system, the personnel on board the aircraft carrier was able to successfully control the flight of the fighter at a distance of 5 miles (9 km), and also landed the aircraft on the deck of the ship without any problems.

According to the military command, the creation of unmanned versions of the F / A-18 Super Hornet is not planned. ATARI can be deployed on aircraft carriers and military airfields as a backup piloting system.

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[svp67]

and in past trials, operators successfully controlled F / A-18 Super Hornet fighters in the air and learned to land them on the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier. The tests were considered successful.

And it makes no difference what brand the radio-controlled aircraft will be ... the main thing is that the equipment would be available.

[Tatyana]

An interesting and useful technical innovation in the US Armed Forces.
It wouldn’t hurt us to have that either, if we don’t have one yet.

[svp67]

Quote: Tatiana

It wouldn’t hurt us to have that either, if we don’t have one yet.

Well, as there was information that the Su-57, if necessary, can itself return to its airfield

[Observer2014]

svp67 (Sergei)

Well, as there was information that the Su-57, if necessary, can itself return to its airfield

Forgot to add about the Ka 50 (albeit a helicopter) I'm not talking about the "Buran"

[Vita vko]

Quote: Tatiana

It wouldn’t bother us to have this, if we don’t have one yet.

What's the point? The Americans are sorely lacking pilots, or rather, people who have health and brains in the kit. In our country, if something happened to the pilot as a result of injury or loss of consciousness from overload, then the aircraft itself must complete the flight mission or return to the airfield. Such autopilots have long existed, the first of them were installed on the MiG-31, and now even helicopters have them.

[NN52]

Vita vko
But in more detail, what kind of autopilot is this on the Mig 31 (probably a self-propelled gun 155MP?) Magical?
Does the plane itself without a pilot (wounded or unconscious) carry out a flight mission (piloting and combat launches probably too?)?
Miracles on bends ....
And why only on Friday was the release in Krasnodar of young lieutenants of pilots in the amount of 349 people ....

[Vita vko]

Quote: NN52

probably self-propelled guns 155MP?) magical?

for a person far from technology - certainly. The restriction remains only on the "start" button. And even that, these are not technical limitations, but moral and legal ones. Of course, you can preload routes in the 155MP self-propelled guns, but it will not provide guidance. For this, there is an automated control system "Rubezh-M", which allows you to fully automate the process of aircraft reaching the target.

[ZVO]

Quote: Vita VKO

Quote: Tatiana

It wouldn’t bother us to have this, if we don’t have one yet.

What's the point? The Americans are sorely lacking pilots, or rather, people who have health and brains in the kit. In our country, if something happened to the pilot as a result of injury or loss of consciousness from overload, then the aircraft itself must complete the flight mission or return to the airfield. Such autopilots have long existed, the first of them were installed on the MiG-31, and now even helicopters have them.

This is where you get the source of inspiration from?
You look at the pilots of their Navy ... how many take-offs and landings they have on aircraft carriers ...
With what age can you get into the pilots of an aircraft carrier with them ...
And with what age fly with us?

Look at how many real combat pilots they have in reserve - it's tens of thousands under the age of 45 ....

And the fact that they go to civil aviation, and we, too, are sorry to go there ... For the salary in civil aviation is more than not bad ...

[Vita vko]

Quote: ZVO

This is where you get the source of inspiration from?
You look at the pilots of their Navy ... how many take-offs and landings they have on aircraft carriers

There are many sources:
For example, US Air Force Minister Heather Wilson: "The US Air Force lacks nearly 2 pilots, reports Air Force Magazine."
https://vz.ru/news/2017/11/10/894670.html
or
https://warspot.ru/6817-amerikanskim-vvs-ne-hvata
et-lyotchikov

[ZVO]

Quote: Vita VKO

Quote: ZVO

This is where you get the source of inspiration from?
You look at the pilots of their Navy ... how many take-offs and landings they have on aircraft carriers

There are many sources:
For example, US Air Force Minister Heather Wilson: "The US Air Force lacks nearly 2 pilots, reports Air Force Magazine."

Have you read it inside?
They have a shortage of 1900 people for the current staffing of 20 pilots, i.e. 000 in their ranks.
And this is only in the air force.

And they still have the national guard, aviation of the Navy, ILC, etc.

And the lack is because. that they began to form several crews (and not even 2 shift crews) per machine.

Do you understand what is the point?

Our, Russian shortage of 1300 pilots

How many pilots do we have? from 3000 to 5000.


Do you understand the gap between them and ours?
they have a shortage of 10%, and we have 30-50%?
They have almost 30 thousand available, and we have 2500-3000 ...

So "before you throw a stone, look at the log ..."

[Vita vko]

Quote: ZVO

They have almost 30 thousand available, and we have 2500-3000 ...
So "before you throw a stone, look at the log ..."

Personally did not count, but quote

According to General David Goldfein, the head of the US Air Force personnel service, the situation could become critical. According to the state, the number of pilots of American fighter aircraft should be about 3500 people, while by the end of this year the personnel deficit could reach 700 people, and next year increase to 1000 pilots.

What tens of thousands are we talking about? Here is a very qualified comparison
https://topwar.ru/54112-sravnenie-aviacii-rf-i-ss
ha.html

The US Air Force outperforms the Russian Air Force in total terms by approximately 4 times. And 2 times in the number of combat aircraft in operation;

Therefore, panic is not appropriate, you just need to "understand the logs." Moreover, the quantity does not always speak of quality. And secondly, before the plane took off, you need permission to ask air defense. And if we compare the number of air defense systems and radar, then the quantity is clearly not in favor of the United States.

[ZVO]

Quote: Vita VKO

And if we compare the number of air defense systems and radar, then the quantity is clearly not in favor of the United States.

Well, how many aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces will reach the border of the continental United States?
Well, please, when you write your agitation - think with your head ...

Quote: Vita VKO

What tens of thousands are we talking about?

Your article says that the US Air Force is short of 1900 pilots.
Having glanced at the primary sources and other sources, we read that of the prescribed 20 thousand pilots, they have 18 thousand pilots. And this is only the US Air Force. And I repeat, there is still aviation of the fleet and the ILC ...
You did not know about this?

Quote: Vita VKO

Personally did not count, but quote

You not only did not count. you don’t read normal literature and don’t try to read anything different from agitation ... "
"Shoigu declared a shortage of military pilots" - https://topwar.ru/109811-shoygu-zayavil-o-deficit
e-military-letchikov.html

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Tatyana
It wouldn’t hurt us to have that either, if we don’t have one yet.
Baby, first learn how to control mail drones, otherwise you’ll break all the walls.

[Tatyana]

Quote: omit

Tatyana
It wouldn’t hurt us to have that either, if we don’t have one yet.
Baby, first learn how to control mail drones, otherwise you’ll crack all the walls.

Oleg! And brag, by the way, at least ugly!
We will deal with ourselves in Russia. We understand how we are behind Israel and what we need to do.

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Tatyana We will deal with ourselves in Russia
They couldn’t figure it out without us

[ZVO]

Quote: Tatiana

We will deal with ourselves in Russia. We understand how we are behind Israel and what we need to do.

For some reason it seems to me. that no one in Russia understands this. Nobody wants to understand the causes and effects.
And even more so to do something ...
I do not like the truth - let's throw the truth-teller into hats and accuse of liberalism ...
We will deliberately offend, deliberately humiliate, insult, slander (do not care) the truth-maker - he will leave ... And we just need it - that would leave (most importantly, the result)
... And the problem will also "go away" ...
After all, as they say: "no man - no problem" ...
and everyone is well ... Everyone is screaming and throwing bonnets ...
Idyll..

[vovanpain]

Quote: omit

Baby, first learn how to control mail drones, otherwise you’ll break all the walls

The boy will be rude to a woman in Israel, and even there they will correct the grain, here you can only break the walls with your head.

[ZVO]

Quote: vovanpain

Quote: omit

Baby, first learn how to control mail drones, otherwise you’ll break all the walls

The boy will be rude to a woman in Israel, and even there they will correct the grain, here you can only break the walls with your head.

Hey, this little boy wrote everything correctly ... They couldn’t even cope with the mail drone ... and local sofa goofs teach others how to live ... Yes, from a position of strength and superiority ... And there is something behind what can you cover now?

[NN52]

ZVO

And this, just now I saw what you wrote ...
The word, HEAR, these people do not speak from a great mind, but from its lack ...
You yourself, not a softer sofa, with a pillow behind your back?
In vain with you in the polemic below the article entered, it was not worth it ...
It’s better to move to the promised land, you’ll patronize this little boy ...

[ZVO]

Quote: NN52

З
It’s better to move to the promised land, you’ll patronize this little boy ...

Are you sick with Nazism?
Is it filled with racial hatred?
Do you think Jews are second-class people?
Why are you breathing unevenly towards Jews, maybe a nationalist?
You write, write ...
Come on. be honest..

[vovanpain]

Quote: ZVO

Hey, this little boy wrote it right

Another boor huh? Well, look for drones in my comment at least a word.

Quote: ZVO

and local couch goofahs teach others how to live

Well, there are no words, just

[bazzbazz]

And manage something like that)
The symbolic name of the ATARI system

[Wunderkink]

The Soviet space shuttle "Buran" generally landed automatically, back in 1988. It turns out back then, at the dawn of unmanned flights, there was already "artificial intelligence". So everything is "new-well-forgotten old." At present, I think, to introduce such a system is a matter of money and the desire of the customer. Everything rests on the ordinary "toad smothers."

[donavi49]

It’s one thing to sit down on a given platform equipped with defendants, according to a predetermined path and incoming landing parameters.

Now virtually any liner on KGS enters in a fully automatic mode. In principle, he can land on full autopilot, but civil aviation is very conservative.

Another on a mobile swinging platform at sea, when +/- 10 meters of error and gurgle / broads.

[Tatyana]

Quote: donavi49

It’s one thing to sit down on a given platform equipped with defendants, according to a predetermined path and incoming landing parameters.

Now virtually any liner on KGS enters in a fully automatic mode. In principle, he can land on full autopilot, but civil aviation is very conservative.
Another on a mobile swinging platform at sea, when +/- 10 meters of error and gurgle / broads.

Quote: Wunderkind

At present, I think, to introduce such a system is a matter of money and the desire of the customer. Everything rests on the ordinary "toad smothers."

I remember, it seems last year, in the Russian Aerospace Forces, one deck aircraft when landing in manual control was already lost in this way. If not two planes.

[Des10]

Quote: donavi49

It’s one thing to sit down on a given platform equipped with defendants, according to a predetermined path and incoming landing parameters.

Buran departed from the “predetermined trajectory” and independently decided to bypass the thunderstorm front and then return to the prescribed parameters for landing.

[ZVO]

Quote: Des10

Buran departed from the “predetermined trajectory” and independently decided to bypass the thunderstorm front and then return to the prescribed parameters for landing.

Yes to the bastards ... write right away: I turned to Moscow to flap our wings on our General Secretary on Red Square ...
And then about the thunderstorm and about the turnout to Baikonur

[Alex-a832]

If it comes to automatic deck take-off / landing mode, then this topic is correct. As for the use of remote control for combat use, then the appearance of the director of the corresponding interference for such "drones" is a matter of short time. Overnight and at the most unexpected moment, you can be left without aviation in the sense of combat use. There is no full-fledged AI for these purposes. They didn’t come up with anything more reliable in battle than a well-trained pilot behind RUS.

[NN52]

Alex-a832
I absolutely agree with you about the pilot for RUS.
And this system, it seems to me, is only for ideal landing conditions ...
And if there is an emergency situation on the glide path (failure, bird in the engine, etc. ...), then how will this automatic landing system behave?

[ZVO]

Quote: NN52

And if there is an emergency situation on the glide path (failure, bird in the engine, etc. ...), then how will this automatic landing system behave?

It will be much easier for her ...
She will use the prescribed algorithms, and not play chamomile, like a pilot in an emergency situation ...
Pull / Pull, Pull / Pull, etc.

[NN52]

ZVO

Already AI tested on algorithms ??
There are currently no capital algorithms for approach, especially to an aircraft carrier.

[ZVO]

Quote: NN52

ZVO

Already AI tested on algorithms ??
There are currently no capital algorithms for approach, especially to an aircraft carrier.

Come on...
Those. Do you think that the X-47B did everything manually?
Believe me - this is not so ...
And even our real experts - do not question this fact as landing “in the programmed automatic mode”.

Systems FLOLS, IFLOLS, LRLS, Bedford Array - can not be prescribed by algorithms?
Believe me, you are apparently a little behind the realities of life ...

And yes. no AI is needed for landing.

[NN52]

ZVO

It is "manually", as you put it ...
Why is X 47 V now decommissioned and not conducting further tests ?? Can you answer?
And why did the further tests go on the basis of F 18, WITH PILOT, in almost derector mode ?? / (if you know of course what it is ..)
You are behind the realities of life, dear ZVO ...
And our REALLY real experts, say the opposite ... but in your infantry, apparently differently ...

[ZVO]

Quote: NN52

ZVO

It is "manually", as you put it ...
Why is X 47 V now decommissioned and not conducting further tests ?? Can you answer?
And why did the further tests go on the basis of F 18, WITH PILOT, in almost derector mode ?? / (if you know of course what it is ..)
You are behind the realities of life, dear ZVO ...
And our REALLY real experts, say the opposite ... but in your infantry, apparently differently ...

Are you talking about landing systems whose abbreviations I outlined have ever read? Have you heard?

Read Sholkov and Drushlyakov ...

Well, about the algorithms for example welding robots in the auto industry read ...

Maybe then you stop making mistakes in the word Director ... And remember or recognize the automatic mode ...

And yes, you apparently do not understand the abbreviations at all - if you think that the experimental samples, namely they are indicated by the X code, can be, in your opinion, written off ...
They are not written off, they continue to be experimental. Now the tanker plane is starting to be worked out.
And there was X-45 ...
And many hundreds X were

[NN52]

ZVO

You surprise me, honestly ...
Do you even understand what you wrote? You understand, in principle, what OPTICAL landing equipment (which you listed in the fashion abbreviation for you) is like our Moon system, if you can of course say so ... But for you, I don’t think it will say anything, you write for the optical system algorithms ///
What do you WRITE ???? Wake up, maybe you will not dream of welding robots ...
And about the mistake in the word, well, a very powerful argument from you, apparently there is nothing more to say on the case ..
Both X 47 V have already been transferred to museums (read the press of them ...). Unmanned tanker is tested, I agree ..

And I am sorry for you if you do not understand the difference between the director and automatic modes ... study the hardware, and preferably not in Popular Mechanics ..

In what mode do the Americans and ours currently land on the aircraft carrier? And what do you mean by this mode ???
Can you clearly and correctly say? What would not look like a complete infantry?

[KVU-NSVD]

According to the military command, the creation of unmanned versions of the F / A-18 Super Hornet is not planned

It might not be planned at the superhair, but landing heavy drones on an aircraft carrier involves the creation of full-fledged combat models in the near future.

[NEXUS]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

but landing heavy drones on an aircraft carrier involves the creation of full-fledged combat models in the near future.

Well, how would ...

And as if ..

[KVU-NSVD]

I meant that no one would convert F-18s into drones, and in the foreseeable future, the core of combat aviation will be unmanned strike systems, which are in no way inferior to manned ones. Everything goes to that ..

[MIG00001]

accurate it’s easier to shoot down enemy satellites to destroy the entire squadron

[ZVO]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

I meant that no one would convert F-18s into drones, and in the foreseeable future, the core of combat aviation will be unmanned strike systems, which are in no way inferior to manned ones. Everything goes to that ..

They will.
Required
In 10-15 years, when they have relatively exhausted their resources and when the swarm control systems are "licked", they will become the F-35 support system.

The same mini-squadron of environment (support), controlled by a computer with the F-35.

[Corsair0304]

As a backup control system, for example, when a pilot is wounded and cannot independently land an aircraft on an aircraft carrier, this is quite a good thing for himself ..

[Mih1974]

And what is the bad thing about a car landing? For a long time, in fact, there is a person - a miserable and buggy servo Aiming or, rather, launching an aircraft into the optimal landing glide path is not carried out by plane, but by the deck through the color mechanism. Well, so long ago it was time to replace the person in this crucial, but rather mathematical part of the flight.
Ideally, and I think this will end - when you exit that landing path, the Samoth control will “change” the landing systems, having received the optimal data from the plane about the presence of cargo, fuel residues and adding to the weather data available on the avik, the System will almost instantly calculate the optimal path - "passes" to her second program which already "knows how to fly" - voila, perfect fit.

[Altona]

Quote: Tatiana

An interesting and useful technical innovation in the US Armed Forces.
It wouldn’t hurt us to have that either, if we don’t have one yet.

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We had a whole Buran spacecraft, which flew in automatic mode, sat on the airfield with an error of only 1 meter. In this case, a computer with a memory of only 256 Kilobytes was used.

[MIG00001]

And the cool thing is that GPS and Glonas were not there then

[ZVO]

Quote: MIG00001

And the cool thing is that GPS and Glonas were not there then

But no one canceled in those years, driven radio beacons ...
As well as all sorts of timing, timing, RSBN, etc.

[MIG00001]

The class remains to learn to take control and all of our aircraft !!!)))

[Altona]

Quote: Mih1974

Ideally, and I think this will end - when you exit that landing path, the Samoth control will “change” the landing systems, having received the optimal data from the plane about the presence of cargo, fuel residues and adding to the weather data available on the avik, the System will almost instantly calculate the optimal path - "passes" to her second program which already "knows how to fly" - voila, perfect fit.

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Will the landing glide path itself be done? And what? The pilot will not even control the process?

[ZVO]

Quote: Altona

Quote: Mih1974

Ideally, and I think this will end - when you exit that landing path, the Samoth control will “change” the landing systems, having received the optimal data from the plane about the presence of cargo, fuel residues and adding to the weather data available on the avik, the System will almost instantly calculate the optimal path - "passes" to her second program which already "knows how to fly" - voila, perfect fit.

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Will the landing glide path itself be done? And what? The pilot will not even control the process?

And what is this?

[Boris Tomarov_2]

Soon the whole American army will transfer from tanks and planes to sofas and chairs, and will play war games.