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In the Bundeswehr recognized the incompliance of Tornado aircraft with NATO requirements

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Airplanes of the German Air Force Tornado, due to their technical characteristics, are not capable of performing NATO combat missions, reports RIA News message journal Der Spiegel.




According to the publication, citing the report of the German Defense Ministry, "all 93 combat vehicles need large-scale modernization, which will require multimillion-dollar expenses." In the current state, they "cannot participate in any NATO operation."

The defense department drew attention to a number of shortcomings of the Tornado. Thus, fighter-bombers "are not protected from listening, they do not have an encrypted data transmission system, which is mandatory when performing missions of the alliance." Aircraft also do not have a radar identification "friend or foe". Tornado electronics is very outdated.

In this state, "the performance of combat missions becomes risky," the Defense Ministry noted. They stressed that due to outdated aircraft, "Germany can no longer fulfill its obligations to NATO."

According to the source of the magazine in the Bundeswehr, “to eliminate the flaws of Tornado will not work until the 2019 year,” it remains unclear whether “the necessary modernization is feasible from a technical point of view.”

The publication recalls that Tornado developed in 1970-s and began to enter service with the beginning of 80-x. Today, fighters are taking part in the mission of the Western coalition to combat the terrorist group IG (banned in the Russian Federation).

Earlier, the Minister of Defense of Germany Ursula von der Lyayen said that the Air Forces of the country plan to use the Tornado up to 2035 year.
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  1. izya top
    izya top April 1 2018 17: 44
    +23
    Yes, yes, only corresponds to fu-35 yes so, hans, cook pennies request
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 1 2018 17: 48
      +3
      A broom with a stupa will definitely fit ...
      Quote: iza top
      Yes, yes, only corresponds to fu-35 yes so, hans, cook pennies request
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 April 1 2018 18: 15
        +8
        To transfer the cipher, an encryption chip is enough. Currently, there are no computers capable of cracking the code of the longest keys (and there will not be many more decades, and when they appear, they will simply increase the key length on microcircuits). The cost of such a chip is $ 100, even if the manufacturer sells with a 10-fold load, it turned out $ 1000 per plane. A hundred planes ... And millions want to modernize.
        Weak drank.
        1. For example
          For example April 1 2018 18: 25
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          A broom with a stupa will definitely fit ...

          Dmitry, these ghouls should not be given the transport of our Baba Yaga. The Germans, for their deeds, must walk on foot and pray for those killed by them.
          They are bastards, they do not want to use planes for protection. WHO is threatening them? There are none.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 1 2018 19: 38
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        A broom with a stupa will definitely fit ...

        No ... they need a Nimbus 2000!
        1. Tusv
          Tusv April 1 2018 23: 25
          +2
          Heels are twisted, the rake is not screwed on the handle. How to steer?
          I finally do not understand how Gary Poter flew on it?
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 1 2018 23: 28
            +2
            Quote: Tusv
            I finally do not understand how Gary Poter flew on it?

            Or like this...

            To screw down the Dagger yet, in general there will be no price. wassat
            1. Tusv
              Tusv April 1 2018 23: 33
              +2
              Not. I will not bring down such a dog. You tell her Tsip Tsip and truncated. American president visiting us
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS April 1 2018 23: 35
                +2
                Quote: Tusv
                Not. I will not bring down such a dog. You tell her Tsip Tsip and truncated. American president visiting us

                Well ... there may be such gifts on the suspension ... the benefit of the "pylons" is raking ... so that "tsip-tsipa" is hardly possible here ... wassat
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv April 1 2018 23: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Well ... there may be such gifts on the suspension ... the benefit of the "pylons" is raking

                  These are their gender issues. What did not explode is ours hi
                2. Tusv
                  Tusv April 1 2018 23: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Well ... there may be such gifts on the suspension ... the benefit of the "pylons" is raking ... so that "tsip-tsipa" is hardly possible here

                  You doubt that we are not presumptuous?
                  Americans think of us better. Two hundred axes per division
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS April 1 2018 23: 54
                    +1
                    Quote: Tusv
                    Americans think of us better. Two hundred axes per division

                    I really hope for Carapace-M ... well, I will bite everything together with my teeth according to Vityaz ...
                    1. Tusv
                      Tusv April 2 2018 00: 03
                      +2
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      I really hope for Carapace-M ... well, I will bite everything together with my teeth according to Vityaz ...

                      The shell is not replaceable. In the S-400 Division there should be two of them.
                      Knight? Then replace the Korean element base. B \ It seems to have turned out
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS April 2 2018 00: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: Tusv
                        The shell is not replaceable. In the S-400 Division there should be two of them.

                        Given the density of mattress plans for the division, it is better to have three Shells ..
                        Quote: Tusv
                        Knight? Then replace the Korean element base. B \ It seems to have turned out

                        Your words, yes to God’s ears ... hi
                      2. Tusv
                        Tusv April 2 2018 00: 17
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Given the density of mattress plans for the division, it is better to have three Shells.

                        And Pussy-willow at the military camp, along with the DShK. Dream - This is 400 axes per division :)
    2. Dam
      Dam April 1 2018 23: 33
      0
      Yes sir. Burrow your money, burrow in the ground where ....
  2. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General April 1 2018 17: 44
    +6
    Cut to metal Tornado. Then eurofighter, so that the Americans can buy the kosher Fe-35 with the smell of freedom and democracy.
    1. Borik
      Borik April 1 2018 18: 21
      +4
      And why is it surprising. The plane is 40 years old. And Germany wants to have something newer. and on the other hand, so that the plane wasn’t for such big money as the F-35. And they ruined their aircraft industry for the sake of mattresses. It remains one to do the appropriate tuning on Tornado to look new for another ten years. And once the German aircraft industry was on the leading roles
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets April 1 2018 17: 45
    +7
    "Germany can no longer fulfill its obligations to NATO."

    The Germans, as it were, hinted that they did not really want to fight. smile
  4. svp67
    svp67 April 1 2018 17: 46
    +3
    “All 93 combat vehicles need large-scale modernization, which will require multimillion-dollar expenses”
    Well, who would doubt it ... money, money, give a lot of money.
    Aircraft also do not have a radar identification system "friend or foe".
    Do they have wooden stools instead of catapult seats?
  5. Tusv
    Tusv April 1 2018 17: 54
    +6
    I have a hobby. Sculpt out of paper on which our division cried and on whom it will cry. And let him from the balcony of 5-4 -3 floors. Tornado number one, SR-71 second, all the other suckers, including the super duper lizard. Wallow right away. The penguin has not yet been glued together. Share the patterns. Pliz
  6. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii April 1 2018 17: 58
    +8
    Let them shove them into Latin America, there is an undemanding public, that is, moneyless, the Croats had to squeeze in, but here the guys from the forum fussed smile
    1. novel66
      novel66 April 1 2018 18: 07
      +3
      Vitaliy, great! hi what the hell difference! 83 cars will not make the weather. during V.O., V. grind thousands of planes ..... let them not whine ..
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii April 1 2018 18: 42
        +7
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Vitaliy, great! hi what the hell difference! 83 cars will not make the weather. during V.O., V. grind thousands of planes ..... let them not whine ..

        Hello Roman hi Europe is still a chicken coop, here Germany is running around with this problem, like a chicken with eggs, although for some people this problem is not worth chicken eggs. smile
    2. izya top
      izya top April 1 2018 18: 24
      +2
      Quote: ul_vitalii
      Let them shove it to Latin America, there is an undemanding public

      e, e, a yak zhejevropa: belay
      1. novel66
        novel66 April 1 2018 20: 26
        +3
        Pan Ataman does not have enough gold reserves!
  7. mvg
    mvg April 1 2018 18: 07
    0
    Well, what, airplanes over 30 years old. These are not strategists. They fought back in 1991. And there were tangible losses. Correctly says that give the dough.
  8. Terenin
    Terenin April 1 2018 18: 15
    +4
    In the Bundeswehr recognized the incompliance of Tornado aircraft with NATO requirements Well, then call the tornado's low classification (maximum wind speed) plane a “short action tornado.” laughing It’s all the same, in hostilities, it’s not long to fly. crying
  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD April 1 2018 18: 19
    +8
    So, fighter-bombers "are not protected from listening, they do not have an encrypted data transmission system, which is mandatory when performing alliance missions." Aircraft also do not have a radar identification system "friend or foe".
    Is there anything other than a simple radio station? Cool ...
    "Germany can no longer fulfill its obligations to NATO."
    “Tornado’s shortcomings will not work until 2019,” while it remains unclear whether the necessary modernization is feasible from a technical point of view.
    It is possible to upgrade, but the campaign is stoked for the adoption of a new aircraft and for some reason it seems that even it’s clear to me which one .. winked
  10. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor April 1 2018 18: 36
    +2
    Yes, buy your FU in silence all the same, anyway the colony should take everything from the owners, its not allowed.
  11. Mimohod
    Mimohod April 1 2018 18: 47
    +1
    In their current state, they "cannot participate in any NATO operation."
    to kill the remnants of the German military aircraft industry and foist the notorious f-35, the Anglo-Saxons are quite cunning and successively crush the Teutons in the European business arena ...
    1. jjj
      jjj April 1 2018 19: 32
      +1
      But when the "Airbus" will not correspond ...
    2. NF68
      NF68 April 1 2018 20: 12
      +2
      Quote: Mimohod
      In their current state, they "cannot participate in any NATO operation."
      to kill the remnants of the German military aircraft industry and foist the notorious f-35, the Anglo-Saxons are quite cunning and successively crush the Teutons in the European business arena ...


      Instead of the F-35, the Germans can purchase another batch of Eurofighters from the next-generation Captor-E (CAESAR) next-generation radar.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 1 2018 21: 23
        0
        They can. But Typhoon will soon begin to become obsolete. He will, of course, be able to fight in the structure of NATO,
        but in the second echelon - after Ф-22 and Ф-35.
        1. NF68
          NF68 April 2 2018 15: 25
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          They can. But Typhoon will soon begin to become obsolete. He will, of course, be able to fight in the structure of NATO,
          but in the second echelon - after Ф-22 and Ф-35.


          So no one forbids the development and production of more advanced modifications of the Typhoon. Germany and France have long been talking about the need for joint development of a new fighter. Since last year, this development has begun.
      2. NN52
        NN52 April 1 2018 23: 38
        +4
        NF68

        They can’t ...
        Eurofighter cannot carry nuclear amer bombs, and by NATO standards, without this, nowhere ..
        Integration and certification under the Amer bomb for Eurofighter will take many years ...
        They will not get out of the party F 35, already ...
        That’s the whole problem with the Tornado ...
        1. NF68
          NF68 April 2 2018 15: 27
          0
          Quote: NN52
          NF68

          They can’t ...
          Eurofighter cannot carry nuclear amer bombs, and by NATO standards, without this, nowhere ..
          Integration and certification under the Amer bomb for Eurofighter will take many years ...
          They will not get out of the party F 35, already ...
          That’s the whole problem with the Tornado ...


          The French have aircraft capable of carrying nuclear weapons. Not one EU country will be able to compete on equal terms with the United States anyway. Therefore, it is not necessary to carry out all this on the same scale as in the United States.
  12. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 April 1 2018 18: 48
    +3
    The diagnosis is clear - it all comes down to forcing the purchase of F35 - no options. The United States decided to cram Yarop with "penguins" for its own purposes and at the expense of its allies. Under the theme of "skripal" in general, everything will go smoothly.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell April 1 2018 18: 57
      +7
      Pure pressure - cook headstock. Some countries are generally without combat aircraft, and nothing lol
  13. Altona
    Altona April 1 2018 18: 58
    +2
    Quote: Borik
    And why is it surprising. The plane is 40 years old.

    --------------------------------
    And another 17 years they want to exploit this tin. She just falls apart from fatigue.
  14. Altona
    Altona April 1 2018 19: 01
    +1
    Quote: KVU-NSVD
    but the campaign is stoked for the adoption of a new aircraft and for some reason it seems that even it’s clear to me which one ..

    ------------------------------
    Maybe ... Maybe ... It’s better to buy a Eurofighter Typhoon fighter, and attack bombers write off nafig ... Well, that’s it, thoughts out loud ... what
  15. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo April 1 2018 19: 50
    0
    The tornado is very reminiscent of the Yak-141 and Su-24 - so this is definitely the last century!
  16. cedar
    cedar April 1 2018 19: 57
    +3
    To begin with, the former gynecologist, Minister of Defense of Germany Ursula von der Leyen, let him conduct a thorough examination of military, aviation equipment and flight personnel. Technology has long been ... morally obsolete.
    It was created with the expectation of normal men, and now they have homosexuals in the army and in aviation. Let them attract the luminaries of German gynecology, maybe then everything will cost by installing gynecological chairs in the cockpit. Let them sit on a bump and get high in flight. Cheap and angry ...
    To what extent the impudent German, military spirit was lowered and this omitted country is called "prosperous" Germany ...
    We see at the root of Western freedom and democracy, and the price that nations pay for them.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 1 2018 21: 29
      +1
      "German, military spirit lowered" ////

      Do you seem to miss the blitzkriegs? Another 25 million in mass graves? Do not be famously as they say. stop
  17. san4es
    san4es April 1 2018 20: 06
    +1
    Tornado developed in the 1970s and began to enter service since the early 80s

  18. NF68
    NF68 April 1 2018 20: 07
    +1
    Something very long reached them. Or what happened under their noses is not seen in modern Bundeswehr as they look far into the future. That and look at the IMF or ground forces will find something similar.
  19. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 April 1 2018 20: 22
    +2
    Maybe the plane is morally obsolete, but in fact, not everything is as bad as some analysts from among the same as I present couch. The plane needs a deep modernization, in my opinion. After all, we fully admit the idea of ​​modernization mig31, completely swallow the modernization of su27 into su35, etc. We are quite satisfied with calling new models everything that is essentially subjected to restyling ... We are satisfied with calling different cars (models) the VAZ2105 and VAZ2107, VAZ2109 and VAZ2114, etc. We are quite satisfied with the domestic grandfather of the attack aircraft from the rook series. And the fact that the Germans say that it is necessary to write off the old only says that they are ready to announce one of two tenders, the first option is for deep modernization and the second for the supply of a new aircraft in the Luftwaffe. The second, of course, is preferable, but planes are not born out of nothing, and development from scratch today is not a lift for Germany, but for example, the European Union will be able, especially in light of the progress towards the creation of its own armed forces. So, in my opinion, not everything is as simple and unambiguous as they try to say.
    1. NF68
      NF68 April 2 2018 15: 29
      0
      Quote: Alex2048
      Maybe the plane is morally obsolete, but in fact, not everything is as bad as some analysts from among the same as I present couch. The plane needs a deep modernization, in my opinion.


      So specialists in Germany also think so. But it is not clear why the whole thing with the “Tornado” was brought to such a level and did not start modernization in a timely manner. I read in the German media about the problems of the Bundeswehr Air Force several years ago.
  20. Lesorub
    Lesorub April 1 2018 21: 06
    +4
    According to the source of the magazine in the Bundeswehr, “to eliminate the flaws of Tornado will not work until the 2019 year,” it remains unclear whether “the necessary modernization is feasible from a technical point of view.”

    A good combat vehicle with great modernization potential, it is clear that the current leadership is not eager to invest in these aircraft, the question is who is lobbying for the purchase of new Yankee aircraft (with its F 35 or local Germans with Eurofighter GmbH with Typhoon)
  21. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 2 2018 00: 04
    0
    No, well, the Papuans are quite enough to drive.
    But if again the "onslaught to the East", then here
    any aircraft are useless in principle.
    But nothing, the United States will throw them F-35, not expensive ...)))
  22. shinobi
    shinobi April 2 2018 04: 58
    0
    Tornado, but what’s in the photo? This is a claim to the article’s illustration. The Germans simply otmazyvayut from the upcoming NATO adventures. In Iraq and Libya, the outdated Tornado did not bother anyone.
  23. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 April 2 2018 08: 58
    0
    Aircraft also do not have a radar identification system "friend or foe".

    By definition, a combat aircraft manufactured in the 1970s and 80s cannot fail to have a friend-or-foe identification system. Something is nonsense. The authors do not think about what they compose or offer for publication.
  24. cedar
    cedar April 2 2018 09: 24
    +2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "German, military spirit lowered" ////

    Do you seem to miss the blitzkriegs? Another 25 million in mass graves? Do not be famously as they say. stop


    You seem to have forgotten who nurtured with their finances this famously. Obviously, you are not aware that in Ukraine the financial power is completely in the hands of the Jews and fascism flourished with its double color.
    What for it is necessary?
    Obviously, the task of reducing the world's population from 7 billion to 1 billion is not a fairy tale.
    Globalists are preparing a mass grave for 6 billion, including for those who have not learned the harsh lessons of history and do not see the forests behind the trees ...
    See the root, dear ...
    1. Crane operator Nahamkinson
      Crane operator Nahamkinson April 2 2018 09: 34
      +2
      "25 million in mass graves"
      If the Soviet army, treated in the occupied territory of Germany, with the civilian population just like the Wehrmacht ....
      That is interesting, how many people would the FRG count now?
      Yes, and not a Jew, to talk about the Germans.
      Something Tashkent "army"
      pulled.
  25. Sergey985
    Sergey985 April 2 2018 18: 27
    0
    Pure water sabotage. Once in NATO we do not take into account, then the costs of joint exercises, patrols, etc. do not have to be borne. The Germans let Trump down!