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Food Safety Ministry of Agriculture is ready to introduce quotas for the import of palm oil

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The Russian Ministry of Agriculture intends to take an important step in terms of food security and health preservation. This is a decision to introduce quotas for the supply of palm oil in Russia. This decision is made due to the fact that in recent years, the volume of deliveries of this product has reached almost 1 million tons per year.


So, in 2016-2017, palm oil was imported to Russia 3,5 times more than fresh milk and cream, and almost 8 times more than butter.

About how palm oil is harmful to human health, scientists are actively disputing. However, the question is connected not only with questions about health, but also with unfair competition. More and more manufacturers do not shun to give products made on the basis of palm oil for dairy products of animal origin only. This factor is ensured by the relative cheapness of palm oil. In 2017, the cost of imported raw materials averaged 40 rubles per kilogram.

Food Safety Ministry of Agriculture is ready to introduce quotas for the import of palm oil


More than 83% of all volumes of palm oil in Russia are Indonesian. About 9% - Malaysian.

Deputy Minister of Agriculture of the Russian Federation Yevgeny Nepoklonov recently said that measures are being taken to introduce quotas for the import of palm oil to the entire territory of the Eurasian Economic Union. According to him, the discussion is going on with colleagues from other EAEU countries so that the following does not work out: Russia will introduce quotas, and other countries will increase the import of palm oil at times, and then it will go to the Russian market duty-free.

Yevgeny Nepoklonov noted that there is no question of a total ban on the importation of palm oil. We are talking about market regulation for the rational use of this raw material in the food industry.

The Ministry of Agriculture notes that such a measure will help support the domestic producer, who creates a truly high-quality product.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 31 March 2018 08: 26
    +15
    I love chocolate ... I live in Samara and of course it is a factory in Russia ... I recently saw a video on how a bar of chocolate was burned at a factory in Russia and it ... BURNING ... That's what the addition of palm oil leads to ...
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 31 March 2018 08: 40
      +24
      Quote: Vard
      Recently I saw a movie as a bar of chocolate was set on fire at the Russian factory and it ... burns.

      hi I myself make chips from my potato at home. They are BURNING. wink
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 31 March 2018 08: 47
        +1
        Quote: Chertt
        I myself make chips from my potato at home. They are BURNING.

        And you try to make them without adding oil! yes
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 31 March 2018 08: 56
          +7
          Absolutely without oil will not work. But I definitely do not have a palm. We are talking about protecting the Russian producer and consumer, this is a very important state. function and everyone is welcome. Why not surround it with dubious pseudo scientific argument, as is done in the West
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 31 March 2018 08: 59
            +11
            Quote: Chertt
            Absolutely without oil will not work. But I definitely do not have a palm.

            But our vegetable oil burns no worse than palm oil.
            1. Chertt
              Chertt 31 March 2018 09: 02
              +14
              Well fir trees, talk about that !!. Burning is not an indicator of harmfulness, as claimed Vard.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 31 March 2018 09: 08
                +13
                Ministry of Agriculture is ready to introduce quotas for the import of palm oil

                It was time to do it!
                The highest quality food products for the population were made in the USSR!
                And now palm oil is present not only in the so-called. “Butter”, but also in cottage cheese. Inspection checks show that very often animal fat does not even smell there.
                1. For example
                  For example 31 March 2018 10: 34
                  +7
                  Quote: Vard
                  and she ... burns ...

                  It was necessary to study at school, and then there would be no surprise that the products burn.
                  It's about eating natural products, not overseas crap.
                  Need a complete ban on the import of shit.
                  1. Shurik70
                    Shurik70 April 1 2018 10: 02
                    +1
                    How amazingly distort the facts. "Palm oil is brought into Russia 3,5 times more than milk," and people are horrified that they eat more oil than milk. But in fact, no more butter than milk. and milk imports declinedthat less oil has become. Dairy products are normally developed, but palm trees do not grow for some reason
                    wink
                    But actually, specifically about palm oil on the Internet, many tales go, how harmful it is. I did not see a medical report from an authoritative office (such as the site of the Ministry of Health). I don’t know whether to believe. Weaned the Internet to believe.
                2. dima9990
                  dima9990 31 March 2018 16: 24
                  +3
                  If the inspection checks ended in many millions of fines, then quotas would not be needed.
              2. Flooding
                Flooding 31 March 2018 10: 19
                +3
                Quote: Chertt
                Well fir trees, talk about that !!. Burning is not an indicator of harmfulness, as claimed Vard.

                Of course not.
                The point is that chocolate should not have cocoa butter substitutes.
            2. 210ox
              210ox 31 March 2018 09: 32
              +3
              Only spectral analysis is different .. wassat hi
              Quote: SRC P-15
              Quote: Chertt
              Absolutely without oil will not work. But I definitely do not have a palm.

              But our vegetable oil burns no worse than palm oil.
              1. Chertt
                Chertt 31 March 2018 10: 14
                +4
                Quote: 210ox
                Only spectral analysis is different.

                hi My spectrometer is broken, the plasma swapping junk. So I have not considered laughing
          2. antivirus
            antivirus 31 March 2018 10: 06
            +3
            the number of oil palm trees sharply up with supplies to Indonesia and hl to Malaysia through the Rosvor line. the usual barter for drying and other little things.
        2. Scoun
          Scoun 31 March 2018 11: 46
          +2
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          And you try to make them without adding oil!

          A GLUTAMATE? !!!
          When?!!!
          1. Chertt
            Chertt 31 March 2018 12: 01
            0
            I agree with your every word. Immediately visible graduate hi
      2. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 31 March 2018 08: 52
        +21
        I will reveal a terrible secret ... ANY organic matter burns. Since it consists of carbon, hydrogen and some other atoms. Have you tried to set fire to the meat?
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII 31 March 2018 09: 09
          +4
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          I will reveal a terrible secret ... Any organic burns. Since it consists of carbon, hydrogen and some other atoms. Have you tried to set fire to the meat?
          good Wow, the mountain is off your shoulders, and how to begin to educate what is bad, what’s good, you can’t eat anything at all ....... But Sugar burns like plastic, smokes, is it plastic already ..... yes laughing
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    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 31 March 2018 08: 42
      +18
      Quote: Vard
      Recently I saw a video of how a bar of chocolate was set on fire at a Russian factory and it ... burns ..

      Have you tried to set fire yourself? Is it burning too? wink
      Quote: Vard
      That's what leads adding palm oil ...

      ... to the brain. Right The ability to critically perceive and comprehend the information received drops sharply.
      Scary Palm Oil always (in the foreseeable, um, past) used in the food industry. Including in the confectionery.
      But boiling over - to be, the theme is "delicious" good
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 31 March 2018 08: 44
        +2
        Food Safety Ministry of Agriculture is ready to introduce quotas for the import of palm oil

        It's time to do it! And then we will soon begin to jump on the palm trees (trees) from this oil. yes
      2. AST576
        AST576 31 March 2018 08: 47
        +7
        Is this when it was used in the Soviet public catering, remind Jack? Although they could have been delivered by ship steamers from the "brotherly socialist" states?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 31 March 2018 08: 54
          +15
          On, eat, do not slap yourself:


          That margarine then goes to baking (and not only) - do you think yourself, or also - tell me?
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            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 31 March 2018 09: 05
              +13
              Quote: AST576
              Do you know how to read, or just puff?

              I do a lot that I can ... not ham, and you won’t make, um, trouble.
              Quote: AST576
              At our dairy, both did not recognize this, and do not recognize

              How do you know that there are bodysuits in the vat? And what about the powder that they pour in the vat, is mixed in?
              GOST I brought you higher there, read, since I have not forgotten how yet.
              Cheerful, damn it, Milkman fool
              1. AST576
                AST576 31 March 2018 09: 18
                +5
                You so fool twist, maybe something will be added (although hardly). We have a small city, and since I spend my time on you, I know whether we are bodied there in a vat or not.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 31 March 2018 09: 20
                  +9
                  Quote: AST576
                  AST576

                  All. You - forest, field, and peat bog.
                  Milkman. Cheerful. From a small town. Knows everything...
                  Chur me, chur stop
                  1. AST576
                    AST576 31 March 2018 09: 22
                    +5
                    The same story, chur me, chur. laughing But in any case, sooner or later you will throw out your “deep” knowledge, you are all-knowing ... wink
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 31 March 2018 09: 25
                      +6
                      Quote: AST576
                      all knowing you are ours

                      The sun, you originally wanted about
                      Quote: AST576
                      when it was used in soviet catering

                      "It" is palm oil, let me remind you.
                      The link to GOST is above, the question, it seems, is closed ... and you are all breaking into open gates.
                      Well, and who are you after that? wink
                      1. AST576
                        AST576 31 March 2018 09: 32
                        +7
                        A thinking and attentively reading VO site participant, not just some. Initially, it was about Samara chocolate (I’m looking and you have trouble with memory). and remained so. Well, for stability! drinks
                2. fortnight
                  fortnight 31 March 2018 09: 23
                  +3
                  rather weak argumentation, maybe you are a Cossack mishandled?
              2. Yura Yakovlev
                Yura Yakovlev April 1 2018 10: 21
                0
                "How do you know that there are bodysuits in the vat? And what about the powder that they pour into the vat, is mixed?"
                Checking is very simple. It is necessary to try to make cottage cheese from milk. If instead of cottage cheese you get something similar to snot, then no GOSTs will convince you of the “correct” composition.
        2. SHURUM -BURUM
          SHURUM -BURUM 31 March 2018 09: 33
          +5
          Is this when it was used in the Soviet public catering, remind Jack? Although they could have been delivered by ship steamers from the "brotherly socialist" states?
          And now it’s easy, for example, here is our favorite MO.
          Russia will exchange fighters for palm oil
          https://www.finanz.ru/novosti/aktsii/rossiya-obme
          nyaet-istrebiteli-na-palmovoe-maslo-1002237842
          so that nobody, especially there .... our health is not interested.
          And they will introduce quotas - we will give the planes for nothing, so ..., nothing
      3. 210ox
        210ox 31 March 2018 09: 37
        +2
        It was correctly used, but not in such quantities .. I was on a business trip at a creamery in Krasnoye, Smolensk Region ten years ago .. I was surprised by the incredible amount of green barrels in the factory. I joked with the local energy saying that you have radioactive waste here they’re doing it ... He didn’t understand and was offended .. It’s not waste but palm oil ... We make light butter from it ..
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: Vard
        Recently I saw a video of how a bar of chocolate was set on fire at a Russian factory and it ... burns ..

        Have you tried to set fire yourself? Is it burning too? wink
        Quote: Vard
        That's what leads adding palm oil ...

        ... to the brain. Right The ability to critically perceive and comprehend the information received drops sharply.
        Scary Palm Oil always (in the foreseeable, um, past) used in the food industry. Including in the confectionery.
        But boiling over - to be, the theme is "delicious" good
      4. Flooding
        Flooding 31 March 2018 10: 27
        +5
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        But boiling over - to be, it’s too painful the topic is “tasty”

        Of course, the main problem is cheating the buyer.
        If the manufacturer honestly indicates the composition of the product, then questions for him can only be with regulatory authorities to comply with the standards.
        As a buyer, I can only be outraged by the discrepancy between the actual and declared composition of the product.

        And yet, yes, the Soviet Union imported palm oil. But Soviet cheeses and butter did not contain it.
    3. Zubr
      Zubr 31 March 2018 11: 15
      +3
      And natural milk burns. when water boils, the remaining organics burn with a smoky flame.
      At the heart of any organic matter, and in our body, is carbon and hydrogen. Everything in this world of organic compounds is based on the compounds of Carbon (C) and Hydrogen (H) in various variations with a hydroxide group. (OH). All these elements are not just combustible, but in many cases explosive. Learn organic chemistry, only study well and do not need profanity.
    4. Ascetic
      Ascetic 31 March 2018 12: 15
      +9
      Palm oil exists in two types of food and technical, the first is much more expensive, respectively, it is more profitable for businessmen under the guise of food to boil technical
      In Russia, the concept of technical and edible oils is clearly delineated at the legislative level. If the oil does not meet the requirements for food raw materials, then it cannot be used for food production, and a conscientious producer will not violate such an important standard.
      Here again, the question to the regulatory authorities regarding the corruption component.
      1. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 31 March 2018 12: 30
        +1
        Quote: Ascetic
        Palm oil exists in two types of food and technical, the first is much more expensive, respectively, it is more profitable for businessmen under the guise of food to boil technical
        In Russia, the concept of technical and edible oils is clearly delineated at the legislative level. If the oil does not meet the requirements for food raw materials, then it cannot be used for food production, and a conscientious producer will not violate such an important standard.
        Here again, the question to the regulatory authorities regarding the corruption component.


        this is where the essence of the question lies - do we trust the manufacturer ?? After all, they will not control everyone, and the regulatory authorities from our own people who want to eat ... the punishment is not so terrible as to outweigh "living well is better" (c)
    5. free
      free 31 March 2018 14: 12
      +1
      Quote: Vard
      I love chocolate ... I live in Samara and of course it is a factory in Russia ... I recently saw a video on how a bar of chocolate was burned at a factory in Russia and it ... BURNING ... That's what the addition of palm oil leads to ...

      Who owns the factory in Russia? Take a look at leisure.
    6. Oleg Kozlov
      Oleg Kozlov 31 March 2018 18: 04
      +3
      Factory "Russia" is no longer Russia. They sold the factory back in 1995. Now this is Nestle. And Nestle technology for the third world. What do you want? Savages can eat palm oil. It’s there, in Lord Switzerland, they bite off real chocolate. And it will do for us. If anything, we’ll start heating the stoves with this “chocolate”, if it’s on ...
    7. Alf
      Alf 31 March 2018 19: 38
      +1
      Quote: Vard
      I live in Samara and naturally this is a factory in Russia ... I recently saw a video like a bar of chocolate being set on fire in a factory in Russia and it ... burns ...

      Why are you surprised? In the Russian factory, the Russian name is only a name, for a long time it belongs to Nestle with the corresponding consequences.
    8. Hiller
      Hiller 31 March 2018 20: 32
      +1
      Yes, I also saw this clip - horror .. lived earlier without this dung ...
    9. Mih1974
      Mih1974 April 1 2018 12: 56
      0
      Or maybe you need to tighten the nuts from the side of trade? am It used to be OBHS - a purchase is made in a store (market), a check is made of whether milk, chocolate, etc. - "from a cow" or "from a palm tree" - a complete withdrawal of a batch !!, a complete ban (temporary sales of products of such a company), a huge fine!! good Moreover, the fine should not only be large, but guaranteed proportionally, for example, the entire cost of the company's products sold per year + 150% good . That would be very painful, well, the market is fine. Now the tax holds the whole trade for Faberge and breaking a "murderous" fine is now no problem. am This means that trade will not require a "lower price", but just look for a quality product good
      And then after all, now they (traders) do not risk anything by selling not just Bad, but frank Shit negative
      You think it was different in the West, figuras, it’s just in the West that they come up with all sorts of “substitutes” for food, but THERE are just “beaten” by trade and no one risks selling shit - for they are stunned with blows to the wallet.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 31 March 2018 08: 27
    +6
    We are talking about the decision to introduce quotas for the supply of palm oil in Russia.

    To prohibit its delivery at all, and use ONLY as a technical one. angry
    1. alekc75
      alekc75 31 March 2018 08: 32
      +1
      with two hands, only technical !!!! and control where it went!
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 31 March 2018 08: 33
      +4
      Quote: aszzz888
      To prohibit its delivery at all, and use ONLY as a technical

      If Russian manufacturers can replace it, without significantly raising the price of the final product, then of course it is necessary to protect our manufacturer. (Just don’t need to drag in fiction about the health effects of palm oil. It’s just not tasty, but not harmful wink )
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 31 March 2018 08: 36
        +3
        Quote: Chertt
        It’s just not tasty, but not harmful.

        It is simply less valuable.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 31 March 2018 13: 18
          +3
          Quote: Chertt
          It’s just not tasty, but not harmful.


          So the spindle is not harmful. Would you voluntarily change sunflower oil to spindle oil? Me not! Here's how to make a palm tree:
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 31 March 2018 13: 23
            +4
            Quote: Stas157
            So the spindle is not harmful. Would you voluntarily change sunflower oil to spindle oil? Me not!

            Roughly exaggerate. It’s about how, for example, if you put chicken in the sausage instead of veal, this does not mean that you will die in terrible agony, it’s just less valuable meat.
            Quote: Stas157
            Here's how to make a palm tree:

            But the cowshed and the cows’s ass is in shit, so what ??
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 31 March 2018 19: 52
              +2
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Roughly exaggerate. It’s about how, for example, if you put chicken in the sausage instead of veal, this does not mean that you will die in terrible agony, it’s just less valuable meat.

              You compared palm on utility with chicken ?? So this is not a true analogy for you! If you really like the bird theme, then the quality of the palm tree is equivalent to crow meat, but not like a benign chicken.
              Honestly, if you had a choice, would you take products from normal, traditional products that you produce in Russia or from a cheaper palm tree for yourself and for your children?
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 31 March 2018 20: 10
                +4
                Quote: Stas157
                You compared palm on utility with chicken ?? So this is not a true analogy for you! If you really like the bird theme, then the quality of the palm tree is equivalent to crow meat, but not like a benign chicken.

                We are talking about the fact that palm oil is not a universal evil and has a right to exist in the food industry. The whole question is that the buyer, under the guise of animal (in particular milk) fats, should not be planted with vegetable fats, or honestly reported about it.
      2. AST576
        AST576 31 March 2018 08: 37
        +2
        Damn in my repertoire, I don’t know, but I will say. Varda read, it will not be difficult for you if.
      3. Cutter
        Cutter 31 March 2018 10: 30
        +6
        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: aszzz888
        To prohibit its delivery at all, and use ONLY as a technical

        If Russian manufacturers can replace it, without significantly raising the price of the final product, then of course it is necessary to protect our manufacturer. (Just don’t need to drag in fiction about the health effects of palm oil. It’s just not tasty, but not harmful wink )

        I will not argue about harmlessness, I will only give one example. About 5-6 years ago, he came to work with his friend, he has a private production of chocolate and confectionery products. In the course of the conversation, we went to his warehouse, and there at night a box with the label "Palm Oil" fell, melted and spread. He studied this mass and label for a long time, when I returned, I asked: "What is the problem?" The comrade replied: "You see, the temperature in the warehouse is 25 degrees (the temperature is +32 in the street), and the melting temperature of palm oil is +41! I don’t understand why it melted?" To my question about the fact that a person has a human temperature of +36.6, and the oil melts from +41 and what remains in the guts, he replied: "Before buying something, read the composition!" After that, he paid attention to the ice cream dropped by the children, and saw: the ice cream is melting, there is no chocolate. I remembered children's feelings when eating Soviet ice cream, then my mouth melted both ice cream and chocolate. And now chocolate does not melt in the heat on hot asphalt and in direct sunlight! Yes, probably this oil is not harmful ... belay
        1. zhekazs
          zhekazs 31 March 2018 13: 00
          +2
          Quote: Cutter
          ..... melting point of palm oil from +41! ... a person’s temperature is +36.6, and the oil melts from +41 and what remains in the intestines ...

          It is split in the stomach into components absorbed by the body. It is not necessary to abuse, and in moderate amounts there will be no harm, as with everything else.
        2. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 31 March 2018 13: 53
          +3
          Quote: Cutter
          And now chocolate does not melt in the heat on hot asphalt and in direct sunlight! Yes, probably this oil is not harmful ...

          Estimate, the chicken also does not melt in the sun, and pasta, turnip, again ... belay How to live??!!! What is there now !!! ??? crying
          1. Cutter
            Cutter 31 March 2018 18: 37
            +5
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Quote: Cutter
            And now chocolate does not melt in the heat on hot asphalt and in direct sunlight! Yes, probably this oil is not harmful ...

            Estimate, the chicken also does not melt in the sun, and pasta, turnip, again ... belay How to live??!!! What is there now !!! ??? crying

            And what does the chicken, pasta and turnip have to do with it? An article about what? About chicken, pasta and turnips? How can palm oil appear in the products you have listed? In turnips ??? request
            What to eat, everyone chooses for himself, personally I’m not lazy with my wife every spring to plow the garden so that I have MY vegetables and preservation, and take meat from my wife’s sister, who lives in the district and keeps cattle. The garden was planted by my father (being already a reserve officer), and my children grew up healthy, now I do it — I want my grandchildren not to eat palm oil (or to a minimum) and a bunch of E-supplements. Something like this... hi
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 31 March 2018 18: 40
              +3
              Quote: Cutter
              And what does the chicken, pasta and turnip have to do with it? An article about what? About chicken, pasta and turnips? How can palm oil appear in the products you have listed? In turnips ???

              You simply conclude that the product is edible by its ability to melt in the sun. request
              Quote: Cutter
              to plow the garden every spring

              So do I. smile
              Quote: Cutter
              In general, everything is simple, you need to lift the back from the sofa, and everyone will be happy!

              I absolutely agree. hi
              1. Cutter
                Cutter 31 March 2018 19: 19
                +4
                Eugene, I am very glad that we think about the same way, and the St. George ribbon on your profile picture tells me a lot about anything!
                Sincerely hi !
        3. Yura Yakovlev
          Yura Yakovlev April 1 2018 10: 38
          0
          ".... a person has a person’s temperature +36.6, and the oil melts from +41"
          Milk is a natural emulsion that the human body consumes out of habit out of control, without any protective reaction. Now imagine that the body has been deceived, and there are components that exceed this temperature. They will accumulate and destroy the body. This will inevitably lead to oncology, the only question is time.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 1 2018 10: 50
            +4
            Quote: Yura Yakovlev
            ... the body has been deceived, and there are components that exceed this temperature. They will accumulate and destroy the body. This will inevitably lead to oncology, the only question is time

            Award. Shnobelevskaya yes
      4. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 31 March 2018 12: 33
        0
        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: aszzz888
        To prohibit its delivery at all, and use ONLY as a technical

        If Russian manufacturers can replace it, without significantly raising the price of the final product, then of course it is necessary to protect our manufacturer. (Just don’t need to drag in fiction about the health effects of palm oil. It’s just not tasty, but not harmful wink )


        not harmful if not technical, but here "vague doubts torment me" (c) in the general decency of the supplier-recipients
    3. Sergey D_2
      Sergey D_2 31 March 2018 08: 40
      +3
      Solidol try.
    4. SHURUM -BURUM
      SHURUM -BURUM 31 March 2018 09: 44
      +3
      By the way, I still remember rapeseed oil, at first it was considered purely technical. And interest in him arose when someone threw the idea of ​​biofuel and tried to refuel Belarus tractors with vegetable oil. Well, after huge areas were developed for it, and the idea of ​​filling tractors with oil quickly ran out of steam, where to put it? And a campaign was launched in the press about the unsurpassed health benefits of canola oil. True, the rare observations of scientists about the harmfulness of this technical oil sounded like the cries of Robinson from a distant island. And now it is produced in huge sizes. To distinguish it in bottles, in my opinion, is possible by its characteristic grayish tint. And I have no confidence that real sunflower oil is not bad. To sell rapeseed somewhere is necessary.
      1. Fox
        Fox 31 March 2018 11: 11
        0
        Quote: SHURUM-BURUM
        And I have no confidence that real sunflower oil is not bad. It’s necessary to sell rapeseed somewhere.

        in general, it comes in bottles-RAPE-sunflower oil. It is more liquid than sunflower oil and it is written in the attached certificates. On labels, they rarely write in small letters.
      2. Sergey D_2
        Sergey D_2 31 March 2018 12: 26
        +1
        The army fried potatoes on a combi-garment. I still remember the taste of this wonderful product.
        1. SHURUM -BURUM
          SHURUM -BURUM 31 March 2018 15: 33
          +1
          But the overall is a mixture of melted pork and beef fats. Beef fat just gave any dish an appetizing taste.
  3. Observer2014
    Observer2014 31 March 2018 08: 27
    +3
    shipments of this product reached almost 1 million tons per year.
    Well, and how then to call our power? They themselves are interesting to eat this muck? bully Probably again the enemies crept "imperceptibly" repeat
  4. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 31 March 2018 08: 28
    +3
    It was high time to do it .. Before, the kids tried to send them to the villages on fresh milk and fed home butter .. Blood and milk as before used to talk about health! But we also have fertile territories and lands in order to grow all natural things .. We poison ourselves by stuffing the pockets of all sorts of scumbags and money-lenders ..
  5. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 31 March 2018 08: 34
    +2
    So far, such a statement is only a hoot! Until we clearly see these same quotas, which can be no less than what is now being purchased. It’s better not to use palm at all in the food industry, at least in fact of unfair competition.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 31 March 2018 08: 47
      +5
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      Palm is better not to use in the food industry

      USSR Ministry of Food Industry disagrees with you wink
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 31 March 2018 08: 57
        +1
        Golovan! fellow Finally! And then all the propagandists here do not work at the weekend, there’s even no one to talk to, fuck you. wink Golovan, tell me, did the USSR food industry add palm oil to milk, dairy products?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 31 March 2018 09: 00
          +6
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          no one to talk to, fuck you

          And why did you get the idea that I will communicate with you at all, oh son of a lawyer?
          Go look for fools in the country of Pinocchio ... but I don’t talk with margarine laughing
          Mom: Delmy, what are you and I going to cook for dinner?
          Daughter: Paaap, mom is talking to margarine again !!!
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 31 March 2018 09: 03
            +4
            wink You're angry Golovan, then you're wrong and you just whistle artistically! But by the way, the chemical physicist does not expect anything else from you. Go better walk your dog, who writes comments for you laughing
            1. teu
              teu 31 March 2018 09: 23
              +3
              Golovan is right, palm oil was used in the USSR, but not in such quantities
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 31 March 2018 09: 27
                +2
                Eugene, I write for the tankers: HOW MUCH PALM OIL USED TO PREPARE DAIRY PRODUCTS AND MILK IN THE USSR ?. Waiting for an answer. He knew about what they used without you.
            2. vovanpain
              vovanpain 31 March 2018 09: 46
              +5
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              so you're wrong and just artistically whistle! But by the way, the chemical physicist does not expect anything else from you. Go better walk your dog, who writes comments for you

              A look up at the comments of Golovan Jack is not fate wink yes yes on this thread, even with a picture, and you immediately
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              just whistling artistically!

              Yes, and Roman’s dog then.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 31 March 2018 09: 57
                0
                HOW MUCH PALM OIL USED FOR PREPARING DAIRY PRODUCTS AND MILK IN THE USSR?
                Waldemar, answer weakly. wink
    2. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 31 March 2018 09: 44
      +3
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      Palm is better not to use in the food industry

      Quote: andrej-shironov
      HOW MUCH PALM OIL USED FOR PREPARING DAIRY PRODUCTS AND MILK IN THE USSR?

      So the problem here is not in palm oil (which is not more harmful than sunflower oil, but in the production of the same margarine, it is even preferable to sunflower), but in our homegrown villains who use this product to falsify other, more expensive products. Accordingly, you need to fight not with palm oil, but with villains faking with its help, for example, dairy products.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 31 March 2018 09: 57
        0
        laughing In the liberal-capitalist paradigm, which is now actively exploited by the Russian government, it will not be possible to fight these villains. As I understand it, neither Golovan, nor Eugene and the other people here with the Chekist’s avatar will answer me the question: HOW MUCH PALM OIL IS USED FOR PREPARING DAIRY PRODUCTS AND MILK IN THE USSR?
        As I understand it, these comrades specially blabber the topic because they are artistically whistling. wink
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 31 March 2018 10: 17
          +7
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          In the liberal-capitalist paradigm that the Russian government is actively exploiting now, it will not work to fight these villains

          I have been waiting for this for a long time laughing good Well, no slogan good
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          so I understand that neither Golovan, nor Eugene and the other people here with a Chekist avatar will answer me the question:

          The deputy politician is number 2 (number 1 is Vitaliy Mikhan, the place is reserved, hehe not to use), but you know GOOGLE, you can Yandex, you can have many more search engines, I can tell you how to use it. laughing Well, if you know so enlighten (slogans about the power not to offer) laughing
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 31 March 2018 10: 20
            0
            wink Waldemar HOW MUCH PALM OIL USED FOR PREPARATION OF DAIRY PRODUCTS AND MILK IN THE USSR?
            Are you not able to simply answer a simple formulated question?
            1. vovanpain
              vovanpain 31 March 2018 10: 36
              +3
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              wink Waldemar HOW MUCH PALM OIL USED FOR PREPARATION OF DAIRY PRODUCTS AND MILK IN THE USSR?
              Are you not able to simply answer a simple formulated question?

              Andryukha everyone is talking
              You are not able to simply answer a simple formulated question
              And you just throw out propaganda and agitation and tell
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              HOW MUCH PALM OIL USED FOR PREPARING DAIRY PRODUCTS AND MILK IN THE USSR?

              So I was born in the USSR, studied in the USSR, served in the USSR, but I don’t know
              HOW MUCH PALM OIL USED FOR PREPARING DAIRY PRODUCTS AND MILK IN THE USSR?

              Only without agitation please. wink
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 31 March 2018 16: 44
                +1
                smile Waldemar, purely for you: HAVE NOT MUCH USED. It is being used in this segment only now by our liberal entrepreneurs. To poison that people no difference what. wink
            2. zhekazs
              zhekazs 31 March 2018 13: 24
              +3
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              HOW MUCH PALM OIL HAVE BEEN USED FOR PREPARING DAIRY PRODUCTS AND MILK IN THE USSR?

              Well, if you think logically, it turns out that they did not use or at least in rare cases, there are GOSTs, so there was a practice of application in the food industry. BUT: for the production of products using palm oil, an additional technological chain was needed with the appropriate equipment, because it was not just shovels that threw pieces of palm oil into vats with milk, cheese, cottage cheese, it needs to be processed and prepared for use somehow. That is, everything rests on technological equipment. And why did you need to "steam" with additional equipment, if the country already had enough natural milk, butter, etc., imported equipment, in some cases, was imported into the USSR through third countries. Further, in the USSR there were no palm plantations for the industrial production of oil, well, they do not grow here, that is, you had to buy abroad for currency, which was extremely insufficient in those days. Which communist would agree to spend precious currency "to eat"? On machine tools, equipment, machines - yes. And they got their own food, on their own territory, and successfully.
              This is a purely logical conclusion, without
              Quote: vovanpain
              you know GOOGLE, you can Yandex, you can have many more search engines, I can tell you how to use it.

              Therefore, I do not pretend to be the ultimate truth.
              And yet, I remember that large-scale deliveries of palm oil began to occur around the mid-80s, that is, the GOST screen from 85 presented by one of the commentators only indirectly indicates the use of this product in the earlier USSR.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 31 March 2018 16: 46
                +1
                smile Eugene, we conclude that during the Soviet era, palm oil was not used in the production of dairy products. Indeed, they began to buy in bulk from the mid-80s, there was nothing to eat thanks to the rotten elites of the times of the USSR.
  6. Egorovich
    Egorovich 31 March 2018 08: 36
    +2
    And why not ban the use of palm oil in the food industry of the Russian Federation at all !? stop Good products have long disappeared from the shelves. They will not be banned for sure, because manufacturers have a huge amount of fat. So this is an outright lie and a whistle.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 31 March 2018 08: 45
      +4
      Quote: Egorovich
      And why not ban the use of palm oil in the food industry of the Russian Federation at all !? stop Good products have long disappeared from the shelves. They will not be banned for sure, because manufacturers have a huge amount of fat. So this is another profanity and whistle.

      Ah Alexander .. Now Russia is ruled by profit, at all costs ..!
      Before, there were GOSTs, any product was licking fingers .. (already swallowed saliva ..)))
      The endless fields of wheat sown were first-class, to the horizon ...
      A herd of cattle, etc. thousandths were and everyone on the pasture .. ALL natural! Now they will drive to the stall and prick them with all kinds of garbage for quick weight gain (all fields of abandoned farms are destroyed) .. We copy everything from the west. It's a shame and we feel sorry for our children, because we poison them to the delight of some .. Come on Russia, you fed the whole world with natural products!
      1. uralex
        uralex 31 March 2018 09: 20
        +3
        Yes, cynical, greedy entrepreneurs, we have a dime a dozen: we are ready to "poison" our state, our children for short-term profit! Because of such tragedies as they happen, such as in Kemerovo ... What are they counting on? Cut the dough and fell off in search of a better life abroad? But now the times are not the same ... Our Western "partners" will mock them with pleasure ...
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 31 March 2018 09: 28
        +3
        Quote: MIKHAN
        The endless fields of wheat sown were first-class, to the horizon ...

        Well, and dry cargo ships many thousands of tons of wheat caravans from Canada and Argentina pearl! And where did we get so much wheat what ?
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Wake up Russia, you fed the whole world with natural products!

        Eco enough, when was that? When king peas!
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 31 March 2018 10: 33
          0
          Well, and dry cargo ships many thousands of tons of wheat caravans from Canada and Argentina pearl! And where did we get so much wheat

          I was waiting for it to be presented .. It was a matter of very muddy! At that time, the USSR fed many people for what they are “building” Socialism..And they didn’t expect to see the Gosplan, it’s a rotten grain, to be honest ..
          Eco enough, when was that? When king peas!

          Yes, the fact of the matter is that not quite a long time ago (just 25 years) .. Previously, production and agriculture worked in several shifts .. For some reason there was a shortage (it was, they didn’t die of hunger, of course, but))
          Now everything is destroyed, and the shops are full of goods, but I don’t feel like eating them already and dressing like that .. Paradox! And many thoughts suggest to whom it is beneficial and why ALL this ..
          These are the things in the tank troops ..
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 31 March 2018 12: 08
            +1
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Previously, production and agriculture worked in several shifts .. That's why there was a shortage

            what Indeed, why Vitaly?
            Quote: MIKHAN
            . It was the case and very muddy!

            Why is it muddy? The fact that this business was funded by Rockefeller through the Moscow branch of Chase Bank, and KAMAZ did it. For the implementation of this food project in Poland, seven oil tankers were built, etc. I524 / 527 type "Marshal Budyonny".
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Yes, the fact of the matter is that not quite long ago (only 25 years)

            laughing We, comrades who were beginning communists, helped with money and weapons, we supplied food and chicken feed only to Cuba!
            1. Vitaly Anisimov
              Vitaly Anisimov 31 March 2018 12: 42
              0
              That's why for some reason I can’t answer phrases. lately .. well oh well you can shoot like that
              Well, I like it .. he ex
              Why is it muddy? The fact that this business was funded by Rockefeller through the Moscow branch of Chase Bank, and KAMAZ did it. For the implementation of this food project in Poland, seven oil tankers were built, etc. I524 / 527 type "Marshal Budyonny".

              Well, you’re probably right, only then did these “Holocaust sufferers” ALL beat off with huge profits in the 90s
              I can smell it now. something like this is happening, Russia cannot just rise up, we will have to pay for it with blood ..! They know that you won’t put us on our knees and they have come up with another plan. ..I hope this plan will be destroyed by the Russians to hell ..!
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 31 March 2018 12: 59
                +2
                Quote: MIKHAN
                only then did these “Holocaust sufferers” ALL beat off with huge profits in 90’s

                laughing They are not altruists, that's for sure!
                Quote: MIKHAN
                I can smell it now. something like this happens

                Of course it happens, the liberals and the communists are working on the same cheat sheet, for thanks or what?
                Quote: MIKHAN
                I hope that this plan will be destroyed by the Russians to hell ..!

                And I'm in the same hopes!
    2. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff 31 March 2018 08: 53
      +1
      I read about pre-revolutionary fakes somehow. So, despite the threats of reprisal, in Moscow there was absolutely no natural butter (except for ghee, there was only margarine, which was produced in incredible quantities by the French in almost every village near Moscow since 1812. Since this "butter" was five times cheaper than natural , then what kind of merchant will go bankrupt in Vologda? Another thing now is there is nowhere to put sunflower and saffron milk, like sugar (by the summer I will buy a moonshine distiller, and I will refill flasks in the barn)
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 31 March 2018 09: 31
        +3
        Quote: pafegosoff
        what kind of merchant will go broke in Vologda?

        wassat Pimpets! And the fact that in the 13 year the profit from the export of Vologda oil exceeded the profit from the export of gold, did not you read?
        1. pafegosoff
          pafegosoff 31 March 2018 11: 39
          +1
          I’m specifically talking about Moscow and about 95% of Moscow’s buyers at A # 3 and # 2. We in Siberia had nowhere to put it. Therefore, fairs (in translation - "annual trade) were held in Nicola - in December. When it was possible to collect a thousand tons of oil, fat, muksun, sturgeon, nelma, and push the British for cars and tobacco, the Chinese for tea, the Uzbeks for dried fruits , to Ostyaks and Voguls - for furs ... And everyone drove away with goods on the best roads of Russia - snow and ice. The same Mendeleev bought 10 tea zibiks from the Chinese at home, and also native Siberian oil (better than Vologda). the axles of the carts were lubricated. From Vologda - Moscow - nearby - it was possible to chop ice in summer, pour salt and bring it to the suburbs and sell it to regular customers - not to poor people.
      2. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 31 March 2018 09: 50
        +1
        Buy, you will not regret it. I bought it three years ago, repulsed money a long time ago and now I don’t take this nasty vodka. So only occasionally if you have to visit. laughing
        1. pafegosoff
          pafegosoff 31 March 2018 11: 41
          +1
          Thanks for the support! I have an uncle and his sons (very poor people have long been consuming their ...
    3. Hammerlock
      Hammerlock 31 March 2018 09: 45
      0
      And why not ban the use of palm oil in the food industry of the Russian Federation at all !? Good products have long disappeared from the shelves. They will not be banned for sure, because manufacturers have a huge amount of fat. So this is an outright lie and a whistle.

      Yes, if only because not everyone is ready to pay 80-90 rubles per pack of butter or 1000-1200 per kilogram of cheese. Pour milk into the country, cream then whistle
  7. mvg
    mvg 31 March 2018 08: 41
    +3
    This thing Indonesia is going to pay with Russia for 12 SUShes, after which its value soared, 4-5 times. Someone has warmed up well.
  8. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 31 March 2018 08: 42
    +6
    In itself, palm oil is harmless if normal cleaning, and not a "technical option". I hope the planned measures will limit the use of the second option in food production. Although .. knowing our reality, I suppose that the opposite will happen .. The main source is the South-East. Asia and methods of production of coconut oil there to put it mildly .. "archaic" .. You will see and do not want to. And no one wants to invest in modernization, it’s cheaper to sell a burdu, suitable for good only for lubricating carts .. And consumers turn a blind eye to the true quality of the product, because it has no alternative in price and technological effectiveness. And therefore, it often happens that for all the pieces of paper, palm oil is of the highest quality, but they begin to do an independent analysis and they find complete unsuitability by standards .. By the way, this is a disaster, although to a lesser extent it is also present in the "developed west"
  9. mari.inet
    mari.inet 31 March 2018 08: 42
    +2
    What is palm oil in general? What palm trees do they get it from? Or from what fruits of palm trees? And where are there so many palm trees in Indonesia to supply a million tons of "palm oil" per year only to Russia? Apparently, they also deliver to other countries? There is obviously some kind of scam, and under the guise of vegetable "palm oil" we are being driven some kind of chemistry. Yes, and under the guise of refined "sunflower" oil, they also drive something clearly chemical.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 31 March 2018 08: 47
      +4
      Quote: mari.inet
      What is palm oil in general? What palm trees do they get it from? Or from what fruits of palm trees?

      "Palm oil is a vegetable oil obtained from the meaty part of the fruits of the oil palm (Elaeis guineensis). The oil from the seeds of this palm is called palm kernel oil. One of the oldest human foods, known even in Ancient Egypt."
      Quote: mari.inet
      And where are there so many palm trees in Indonesia to supply a million tons of "palm oil" per year only to Russia? Apparently, they also deliver to other countries?

      "World production of palm oil in 2005 was about 47 million tons. The largest producers are Malaysia (17 million tons), Indonesia (20 million tons)." yes
      1. Romulus
        Romulus 31 March 2018 09: 07
        +2
        Quote: Vladimirets
        The largest producers are Malaysia (17 million tons), Indonesia (20 million tons). "Yes

        Now you’ll list the largest consumers and the topic will close .. not for all the same, Golovan Jack will be taken aback.
        We ate palm oil in the USSR, we eat now and for now. analogues in industrial production are not invented ..
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 31 March 2018 09: 12
          +5
          Quote: Romulus
          Now list the largest consumers and the topic closes ..

          The TOP-10 of the largest palm oil importing countries in 2013 includes India (8 389,7 thousand tons), China (5 979,6 thousand tons), the Netherlands (2 925,6 thousand tons - a significant part of the imported volume this country sends for export), Pakistan (2 thousand tons), Germany (248,6 thousand tons), Italy (1 thousand tons), the USA (467,4 thousand tons) , Spain (1 thousand tons), Bangladesh (392,2 thousand tons) and Russia (1 thousand tons).
          1. Romulus
            Romulus 31 March 2018 09: 31
            +3
            Quote: Vladimirets

            1
            Vladimir (Eugene) Today, 09: 12 ↑
            Quote: Romulus
            Now list the largest consumers and the topic closes ..

            In TOP 10

            good Thank you, it remains to add - we will leave the simplest analysis to readers .. and not less than simple advice
            a) if you want to eat ecologically - become millionaires (marbled beef, black caviar, red .. all without GMOs)
            b) Live in West Africa for the worst in the Amazon (beetles, larvae, animals from the jungle .. etc. etc. again, all without GMOs)
            c) Our way - all from the cottage .. also without GMOs))
            Question - where does GMO come from? An article about palm oil) ...
            The answer is to suck a problem out of a finger, like two fingers on asphalt. lol
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 31 March 2018 09: 36
              +2
              Quote: Romulus
              Question - where does GMO come from? An article about palm oil) ...
              The answer is to suck a problem out of a finger, like two fingers on asphalt.

              yes
            2. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 31 March 2018 09: 47
              +6
              Quote: Romulus
              The answer is to suck a problem out of a finger, like two fingers on asphalt

              Fingers feel sorry. "Sucking" the problem is much easier. A plus fellow
              Quote: Romulus
              if you want to eat ecologically - become millionaires ...

              ... or stop eating surrogates already.
              The same stew, cooked at home in a saucepan (preferably a pressure cooker), is cheaper and tastier than any tricked sausage, for example. And it’s definitely more useful yes
              But still there is a people who do not believe this ... well, what can I say? Hello from Lavrov request
              1. Romulus
                Romulus 31 March 2018 09: 58
                +1
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                But still the people are

                Who have the genre in social networks - Who is more expensive for someone (with) ... hi lol
                And I repeat the advice from Jack - stop eating surrogates! And there will be happiness to you).
                1. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 31 March 2018 10: 16
                  +2
                  Yegor, I’ll give an answer from myself: stop writing nonsense with Golovan and you will be happy. wink
                  1. Romulus
                    Romulus 31 March 2018 10: 33
                    +1
                    Quote: andrej-shironov
                    you will be happy. wink

                    Happiness is not .. this is utopia crying (paraphrase)
                    Is everything so bad? Is it me that Roman and I are apart, aren’t able to save nonsense?
                    Do you believe in a collective mind?)
                    1. andrej-shironov
                      andrej-shironov 31 March 2018 16: 42
                      +1
                      wink In your case, I believe in collective hallucinations.
                  2. Romulus
                    Romulus 31 March 2018 11: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: andrej-shironov

                    1
                    andrej-shironov Today, 10:16 ↑
                    Egor, I will give an answer

                    Not .... Andrey yes, drinks my your pipe shook .. abyss yes .. had to go back to the comment again laughing
  10. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 31 March 2018 08: 43
    0
    It is high time! Before the revolution, it was forbidden to import!
  11. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 31 March 2018 08: 46
    +2
    Cheeses are generally beyond good and evil. Yesterday they baked it in the oven, so the cheese didn’t even melt, - so it stayed with chips and lay there. What is it made of - is it not clear?
    1. Sergey D_2
      Sergey D_2 31 March 2018 09: 01
      +1
      Polyfoam, a little nitrocellulose ...
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 31 March 2018 09: 49
      +6
      Quote: Lena Petrova
      What is it made of - is it not clear?

      Drywall wassat
    3. Romulus
      Romulus 31 March 2018 13: 07
      0
      (Tired cat)




      Cheeses - generally beyond good and evil
      the cheese hasn't even melted,
      Eh.xx authors - let’s say let’s say - there is no more cheese). Figs to you creatives ..
  12. Sergey D_2
    Sergey D_2 31 March 2018 09: 00
    0
    The government is deeply indulging in the fact that the people are eating there. Although there are stones. The hungry people don’t bay, and okay.
    1. Romulus
      Romulus 31 March 2018 10: 07
      +1
      Quote: Sergey D_2
      Government deeply insist that the people there are eating

      It is true.
      Quote: Sergey D_2
      . Do not hungry, and okay.

      Wow! (well fed)
  13. Hey
    Hey 31 March 2018 09: 07
    0
    Palm oil is mainly used to compensate for the lack of whole milk. And here a question arises for the Ministry of Agriculture, and it, in my opinion, is more significant. How will we increase the production of natural milk? A simple increase in milk will close the palm oil problem by itself. But the Ministry of Agriculture stubbornly does not want to deal with this problem, it is easier for him to buy a palm tree than to develop dairy production. The second question is that products with palm oil are cheaper than with natural milk, which means that under the current conditions, people's discontent for low salaries and pensions is partially removed.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 31 March 2018 09: 15
      +1
      Quote: MUD
      The second question is that products with palm oil are cheaper than with natural milk, which means that under the current conditions, people's discontent for low salaries and pensions is partially removed.

      This is the main question, vegetable oils have always been used instead of animals just for the purpose of reducing the cost of production.
      1. Hey
        Hey 31 March 2018 09: 28
        0
        used instead of animals just to reduce the cost of production.

        The question arises of the quality of dairy products.
        To what extent can one be replaced by another.
        So a global problem arises.
        Low purchasing power of our population due to low salaries and pensions.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 31 March 2018 09: 34
          +3
          Quote: MUD
          Low purchasing power of our population due to low salaries and pensions.

          Well, people love cheap products not only in our country.
          "Ferrero has launched an advertising campaign to protect its reputation from carcinogenicity of certain components of Nutella chocolate-nut paste. The manufacturer insists that palm oil rather than sunflower or rapeseed oil creates a firm, viscous consistency." Replacing this ingredient will be a step back and will turn Nutella in a kind of original, "said Vincenzo Tapella, Nutella's Sales Manager for Italy, to Reuters."
          "Europeans widely use palm oil in the food industry, for example, in the manufacture of confectionery products: sweets, wafer fillings, baking, as well as in the dairy industry - for the production of milk fat substitute, cheeses, milk, cottage cheese, spreads. Thanks to its exceptional oxidation resistance, palm olein is the main oil for frying foods such as instant noodles, french fries, potato chips, donuts and fried meat snacks. "
          1. Hey
            Hey 31 March 2018 09: 40
            0
            Well, people love cheap products not only in our country.

            Our people prefer natural products, another thing is that they cannot buy them due to the lack of sufficient funds. And buys deshov from despair.
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 31 March 2018 10: 01
      +6
      Quote: MUD
      A simple increase in milk will close the palm oil problem by itself.

      Are you a dairy specialist?
      Well then, how should a specialist know that, under the Union, a liter of milk at MTF was 2 rubles, and in retail 50 kopecks a liter bottle! Probably you yourself will calculate the amount of subsidy as a specialist? Industrial production of milk, as well as beef, is beneficial only in the southern regions of Russia, in the northern (and this is 80% of the country) it is unprofitable! In the 70-80 of the last century, beef meat was purchased for industrial processing in Argentina, to ensure the safety of wheat and meat supplies from Argentina and fishing in the South Atlantic, a cannon fire station was deployed in Kanakri (Guinea) with the permanent presence of Soviet warships!
      Quote: MUD
      The Ministry of Agriculture stubbornly does not want to deal with this problem

      And here the Ministry of Agriculture, when the main consumer of palm oil is a producer? Reducing the cost of the product, the dream of any manufacturer! Therefore, therefore, manufacturers are actively lobbying for their interests, including through the Communist Party!
  14. Million
    Million 31 March 2018 09: 25
    +1
    What, have we learned how to make our own palm oil? Or will they drive them out of oil, protecting the domestic producer?
  15. HMR333
    HMR333 31 March 2018 09: 29
    +2
    in general you need to ban it in food! before without it, there was enough natural and right now it’s better to smell more expensive and less but natures and benefits than GMOs and then be treated if you can!
    1. Million
      Million 31 March 2018 09: 31
      +2
      then the shelves will be empty
  16. Simon
    Simon 31 March 2018 09: 37
    +1
    It is high time! Finally, they did the right thing. good
  17. APASUS
    APASUS 31 March 2018 09: 39
    +4
    I would still force GOST to return to the food industry. We switched to TU so that diversity would appear, and the quality of food would drop to a floor rag. It’s just that even now there is something to compare, the quality of Belarusian goods has also fallen, but it’s an order of magnitude better than ours.
    We lived without palm oil and now we will live.
    1. SAF
      SAF 31 March 2018 11: 26
      +1
      So they introduced the same classification several years ago:
      Butter and spread
      Kefir and kefir product
      Sour cream and sour cream
      Kvass and kvass drink, etc.

      Punishment for falsification is probably not scary
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 31 March 2018 21: 16
        0
        Quote: SAF
        So they introduced the same classification several years ago:
        Butter and spread
        Kefir and kefir product
        Sour cream and sour cream
        Kvass and kvass drink, etc.
        Punishment for falsification is probably not scary

        Your idea is correct, but you did not understand the essence of the issue. There is nothing to pay for this graduation, it can be said a purely voluntary graduation.
        I just repeat: In Finland, Norway, the store is completely canceled for selling counterfeit goods! Not a single store will take for sale a product where there will be a hat, everyone will sit down!
  18. flicker
    flicker 31 March 2018 10: 04
    +2
    Harmful or useful, this is one side of the issue, but there is another - why manufacturers hide the presence of palm oil in the product. Moreover, the impression is that you can hardly find normal butter (such as it was in the Union).
    1. naidas
      naidas 31 March 2018 15: 57
      0
      who can read, milk fat substitute is written on the package.
      1. flicker
        flicker 31 March 2018 19: 11
        +1
        Quote: naidas
        who can read, milk fat substitute is written on the package.

        And if not written, then milk fat ... hmm. But for some reason I don’t find the difference in taste between margarine and butter request
  19. Herculesic
    Herculesic 31 March 2018 10: 26
    0
    Well, just like pioneers, honestly, they’re always ready! And why, about 15 years ago, our legislation did not close our market for this blue oil? Or now, in our country, in large numbers, we will begin to plant palm trees all over the country, perhaps where they will take root? So they will make oil purely from "home" palm trees? ??
  20. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 31 March 2018 10: 29
    +3
    In the "3,5 ..... 8 times" ..... think about it, actually, in these numbers. This is a catastrophe. So much for the "import substitution" along with the "food safety" ..... sad
  21. Sergey D_2
    Sergey D_2 31 March 2018 10: 35
    +1
    How much does an Indonesian cow give milk?
    - you won’t milk in a year, your hand will get tired!
    1. Romulus
      Romulus 31 March 2018 11: 03
      +2
      Quote: Sergey D_2
      How much does an Indonesian cow give milk?

      Belorusskaya, tochnik no less ..)
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  23. himRa
    himRa 31 March 2018 11: 05
    +2
    By the way, many do not know how the energy value of products is determined ...
    And this is done like this:
    100 grams of substance are taken and burned in a pure oxygen environment and the heat released is measured !!!!
    Attention question!
    How valuable is such knowledge? wassat
  24. Kovaleva
    Kovaleva 31 March 2018 11: 26
    +2
    Greasy theme winked I’ll try to explain a little about the “terrible palm devil” in simple words. Damn is not so scary, but not harmless. Palm oil is a champion among vegetable and animal fats in the amount of palmitic acid in its composition. Moreover, it is structurally molecularly different from that which is present in the composition of breast milk and is broken down by pancreatic enzymes. The melting point (which can be easily checked empirically in the presence of a living human body and palm oil) is significantly higher than digestible. At the same time, it also has the property of binding calcium in the stomach and removing it without assimilation. Another nuance is that only palm oil with a high degree of purification is suitable for adding to food products.
    The task is good on import quotas, but they will resist.
  25. DPN
    DPN 31 March 2018 12: 17
    0
    The population in Russia is half that of the USSR and the oil was Vologda, the cows were in almost every yard now they can probably be found only in the zoo, where can the oil come from?
  26. Bypassed
    Bypassed 31 March 2018 12: 26
    +1
    Russia decided to introduce a ban on the supply of raw milk from Belarus. The list of products prohibited for import includes pasteurized, sterilized and ultra-pasteurized milk and cream in bulk; powdered, concentrated, canned and condensed milk and cream; concentrated whey milk powders, dry; whey and milk protein concentrate.
    The EEC made a sharp criticism of Moscow’s decision, saying that the Rosselkhoznadzor had no reason to impose restrictions on the import of products from the whole country.
    In response, the Rosselkhoznadzor accused Belarus of supplying sanctioned products and counterfeit products, including the “cheese product”.
    Russian media have repeatedly written that closing the supply of milk powder from Belarus is really beneficial for the Russian drying industry, which has accumulated large stocks. In favor of this version, and the fact that Russia has imposed restrictions only on Belarusian raw materials, claims and restrictions are still point-specific to the finished products made from it.
    On March 1, President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko instructed to deal with the problematic issues of Belarusian milk supplies to Russia. “But I want to say that such things will not go unanswered. We just will not tolerate it. ”, Alexander Lukashenko noted.
    Another milk war - with such allies and enemies it is not necessary.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 31 March 2018 12: 33
      +5
      Quote: PASSED BY
      Another milk war - no such allies and enemies

      Um ... well, about the quality of allies, you certainly know better ...
      And what, in fact, do you offer?
      If this:
      Quote: PASSED BY
      closing milk powder supplies from Belarus really beneficial to the Russian drying industry, which has accumulated large stocks

      and supplies
      Quote: PASSED BY
      ... sanctions products and counterfeit products - including the “cheese product” ...

      really takes place?
      To feed Belarusian "dryers" at the expense of Russian? It would be with any joy?
      And the fact that the Belarusian cheese passed sharply in quality - I’ll tell you myself, “stepped on” this time, um, good a couple of times. "For the same money", which is characteristic yes
      Well, so is your solution to the problems?
      1. Bypassed
        Bypassed 31 March 2018 13: 32
        +1
        Russia does not produce enough milk, said Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich. The deficit is 25%. General Director of Petrova Five Consulting Marina Petrova:
        Today, Russia buys exclusively basic products: milk powder (dependence on imports is 50%, of which almost 100% is supplies from the Republic of Belarus), whey powder (dependence on imports is 50%, is also a key supplier to Belarus). Dependence on the supply of imported cheese and butter is about 30%, the share of foreign deliveries of whole milk products does not exceed 10%. And here we can say that the main problem in Russia is dependence on simple products!
        We will be able to refuse or reduce the volume of products purchased in Belarus when we can compete with them in terms of cost, stability of quality and supply volumes. But until the problem of the adequacy of raw milk is resolved, it is too early to talk about this.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 31 March 2018 13: 38
          +5
          Quote: PASSED BY
          Petrova Five Consulting ...

          ... marketing, branding and distribution for FMCG products ...

          Are there any other questions?
          Quote: PASSED BY
          said Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich

          What side is Dvorkovich to milk?
          Both of your arguments are from the "written on the fence" category, sorry request
          You can continue, "attempt two" yes
      2. Bypassed
        Bypassed 31 March 2018 13: 34
        +2
        Alexander Lukashenko instructed to search for new markets in the face of problems with the supply of products to Russia. He said this on March 30 during a working trip to the Dzerzhinsky district of the Minsk region, the press service of the President of Belarus reports.

        “Regarding exports, look for other markets. If Russia does not understand and does not want to understand us, well, then we will meet with the president after the inauguration, we will discuss in detail and thoroughly all issues. It is necessary to be determined. If they decided to tilt us constantly for some reason, then we will seek our happiness elsewhere. ”, The head of state said.
  27. T.Henks
    T.Henks 31 March 2018 13: 44
    +3
    Factory Russia made chocolate about three years ago. After that, putty went, in the mouth it stuck to the palate, scraped off torment. Palm oil steers. But you won’t get through the managers, they have different values.
  28. free
    free 31 March 2018 14: 14
    +1
    Measures are only being taken (that is, nothing has been done yet), let alone talking!
  29. mik0588
    mik0588 31 March 2018 14: 17
    +1
    The initiative will not creep in, the electorate will not approve the disappearance of 3000 varieties of cheese and milk .........
  30. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 31 March 2018 14: 20
    +1
    Soon the war for water will begin ..! And we in Russia are not used to saving water .. hehe
    Pure water from Russia, this is a new brand in the world!
  31. Slovak
    Slovak 31 March 2018 14: 44
    +1
    Lobbyists will not give. Palm oil costs a penny, and the price of the finished product is slightly different from the price of high-quality. Someone agree to lose in excess of income?
  32. ivagulin
    ivagulin 31 March 2018 15: 29
    +1
    I will tell you a big secret, we have a wealth of all products, but you can make an oversupply of quality products. we have monopolized the production of meat, milk, eggs, etc. by large producers especially close to the emperor’s anus. revive cooperation in the countryside, the country will be inundated with tasty and high-quality products, but the tops do not need this. under the pretext of an African, they killed small and medium-sized producers of pork, dankvert from the Rosselkhoznadzor steers milk and beef, and a modern broiler is always dumb for hormonal status
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 31 March 2018 17: 19
      +2
      I agree. The small private farmer has nowhere to hand over their products centrally, along with the coming "chureks" who buy it for nothing. In the USSR, there was "Consumer Cooperation" where it was possible to hand over products to private owners at good purchase prices, now this is not there and in the least, everything has been left to the "invisible hand of the market" .... ...
  33. naidas
    naidas 31 March 2018 15: 52
    0
    to support a domestic producer who creates a truly high-quality product is interesting, but who in Russia creates a high-quality product?
  34. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 31 March 2018 15: 53
    +2
    Food Safety Ministry of Agriculture is ready to introduce quotas for the import of palm oil

    It is not necessary to introduce quotas, but a ban on its use as a food product. Only for the lubrication of wheels in the cart.
  35. Mentat
    Mentat 31 March 2018 17: 16
    +1
    Who is screaming about the "terrible poison of palm oil" illiterate. Palm oils are actually two kinds: 1) obtained from the pulp of the fruit, it goes to cheap margarine; 2) from seeds, vegetable oil of the highest quality category.
    Therefore, the question is not about palm oil in general, but about which one is used and, most importantly, about the compliance of the contents with the declared composition.

    PS In the picture above the orange color - it's cheap, freezes like mastic. From seeds, transparent, flowing.
    1. Dart
      Dart 31 March 2018 18: 10
      0
      yes figs with him, what it is ... should not be him in Russia.
  36. Oleg Kozlov
    Oleg Kozlov 31 March 2018 17: 56
    +2
    Yeah ... Our ministers and even deputies say a lot of good things by mouth. But for some reason, things do not go beyond this body ...
  37. Dart
    Dart 31 March 2018 18: 10
    0
    More than 83% of all volumes of palm oil in Russia are Indonesian. About 9% - Malaysian.
    Then the government kisses them in the gums ..
    It’s necessary to ban this crap, so who will do it ...
  38. fa2998
    fa2998 31 March 2018 18: 52
    +2
    Quote: evp
    Golovan is right, palm oil was used in the USSR, but not in such quantities

    In the USSR, there were dairy farms throughout the country, and milk production per person / year was large. Now all import substitution did not result in the construction of cowsheds, but in the import of palm oil and food chemicals. I’m afraid to introduce quotas, we’ll remain without available products. cheese already costs 400 rubles. And so infrequently allow. hi
  39. Hiller
    Hiller 31 March 2018 20: 34
    +2
    here I bought cookies .. - I almost did not bend from two things from heartburn ...
  40. Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener 31 March 2018 21: 16
    +1
    It is high time. It would also be nice to limit its use in the food industry. The oil itself can be harmless, like the same monosodium glutamate, but the problem is that with the help of it they produce products of dubious consumer qualities, and often "fake" ones. And it would also be nice to know the raw materials for palm oil are grown as a food crop or a technical one?
  41. Guillon
    Guillon 31 March 2018 22: 09
    +1
    To be honest, that is, it was just scary because there was simply no healthy food left, the damned capitalists simply poisoned us, and the authorities put a bolt on it! It cannot go on like this! angry
  42. zan_parti
    zan_parti April 1 2018 07: 50
    +1
    Introducing quotas is not enough. The buyer must know exactly which pack of oil is made from palm oil and which of natural cream. And the one that is made of "palm trees" should cost several times less. And the same should be done with respect to any other products from palm, soy, etc.

    In this case, there will be no need to prohibit anything at all - the producers themselves will stop purchasing what no one is buying.
    1. Ua3qhp
      Ua3qhp April 1 2018 21: 17
      +1
      And what punishment will the manufacturer and seller have for the mismatch between the label and the actual composition?
      Fine 1 thousand rubles?
      Or if it is considered as fraud with the corresponding article, both for the manufacturer and the seller?