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Igor Vostrikov: The door to the cinema hall of the "Winter Cherry" shopping center was closed after the fire started

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Kemerovo’s Igor Vostrikov, who actually killed his entire family (wife, sister, and three children) during a fire in the Winter Cherry shopping center, recorded a video about video footage shot by an internal surveillance camera in a shopping center. According to Igor Vostrikov, he was given the opportunity to look at the camera recordings, and these records indicate that the doors to the cinema hall, where his family members were, were locked after the fire began.


Igor Vostrikov:
I am recording this video for all those who are not indifferent, those who mourn in these moments with us. (...) There are questions about how to extinguish the fire, how quickly rescuers got there.


Igor Vostrikov: The door to the cinema hall of the "Winter Cherry" shopping center was closed after the fire started


Igor Vostrikov:
We were provided with recordings from the cameras of the passage itself into the halls of the cinema, from which it can be seen that the doors were not locked. People all ran out.

Only ours remained, because there was a cartoon, there were children there. While they reached the exit, there was thick smoke in the corridor, absolutely impenetrable, and some man decided to lock the door, lay cracks and wait for the rescuers. Rescuers, as you know, have not arrived. He, by the way, got out in the end, and he was rescued.


We will remind that earlier it was reported that the doors of the cinemas were allegedly closed by a female ticket collector who was afraid of entering the free-ride halls.
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  1. bankirchik34
    bankirchik34 29 March 2018 13: 40
    +7
    it would be better if he stayed there then, this man
    1. Anti-Corr.
      Anti-Corr. 29 March 2018 13: 48
      +21
      So much conflicting information has already arrived over these days that it is very difficult to draw conclusions; evidence is needed, namely, by eyewitnesses.
    2. Andrey K
      Andrey K 29 March 2018 13: 58
      +40
      I would not even promote any information.
      The deepest condolences to Igor.
      Lord, do not bring anyone in his place.
      You can understand him, he has a soul in shreds.
      But why do we need to circulate speculation, speculation, rumors.
      There are people, professionals. Restore everything in a second, everything will be clear.
      The state has no intention of hiding something about this tragedy.
      We must be patient and wait.
      1. jjj
        jjj 29 March 2018 14: 08
        +8
        No information from unofficial sources should be taken for granted
      2. ct Petrov
        ct Petrov 29 March 2018 14: 10
        +13
        it’s not an enemy, it’s kind of smart, like a doctor.

        And because of the stupidity of the city could go to smash. If a clash of the crowd with riot police would begin, there would be tin.

        In general, in this age of information technology, it is necessary to monitor the language, information and the situation.

        This is especially true for our forum wrestlers who pick up any ringing and carry it to the masses. I didn’t want to bleat then, but the country washed my face in blood.

        In general, I was once again surprised how several millions of people can be warmed up on social networks

        A whole special operation, and this doctor (and not only the doctor and not only this one) turned out to be its executor. (even without suspecting it, the filigree work and the level of those who turned it) and the speed of reaction also surprised.

        In the general Maidan can be organized. No matter what special services stand in the way, and no matter what moves they calculate.

        Balamute people can and one Svidomo by phone. In general, this is bad and the state is very vulnerable. So also inside are those who manage to fight Putin, to the joy of the Anglo-Saxons.

        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 29 March 2018 14: 34
          +19
          Quote: ct Petrov
          In general, I was once again surprised how several millions of people can be warmed up on social networks

          And this is also a failure of the state, and our own failure. We allowed our compatriots to make completely thoughtless uneducated vegetables. Through the exam, through TVs with constant pressure from cheap films about conspiracies, and battles of psychics. The average person is accustomed by the daily flow of information to the fact that falsifications by the authorities are possible and even inevitable. Not accustomed to analyze, think with your own head. The knowledge on basic things, on physics and mathematics, on logic is etched.
          Adult men with higher education (!), My friends, repost some hysterical fakes from bots. Totally thoughtless. You ask questions - they cannot answer. For example - why should the authorities lie that 300 and 60 are not dead? What's the point of this. 60 of the dead is all, already a complete failure, tragedy and horror. In terms of outcome and consequences, there is no longer any difference between 300 or 60 dead. For what is the power to hide it? Who to excuse, the director of the shopping center who has nothing to do with power? Or small bipod from the Ministry of Emergencies, which took bribes? And if it opens, then what will be the effect? Well, you do not like Putin, this is normal, but do you think he is so simpleton? A man who has been in power for 18 years, so that he is so framed? No answer. One mooing and rolling eyes about "we know something"
          And this is not the first time. The Tu-154 crashed in Sochi - everyone is still mooing like that too. They hide where it’s true that an experienced pilot could not make a mistake ... Nobody wants to read physics with aerodynamics, yeah. It's boring, you can fall asleep. It's easier to yell that "we know" ...
          1. ct Petrov
            ct Petrov 29 March 2018 14: 57
            +11
            And this is also a failure of the state, and our own failure.


            The state is all of us in total.

            We allowed our compatriots to make completely thoughtless uneducated vegetables. Through the exam


            the doctor was still studying according to the old system. The exam is not in the business. This is psychology.

            through TVs with constant pressure from cheap films about conspiracies, and battles of psychics


            all banter Fedorov deputy. He talked about technology in the media. I have a neighbor downstairs - the director of the VID television company. I asked her somehow - but the truth is that’s all - and retold Fedorov’s words about the ratings tied to New York and so on. - in general, her answer is yes.

            The average person is accustomed by the daily flow of information to the fact that falsifications by the authorities are possible and even inevitable.


            again, it is not our power that forms this flow of information. She only reacts. For censorship is forbidden.

            mature men with higher education (!), my friends, repost some hysterical fakes from bots. Totally thoughtless. You ask questions - they cannot answer. For example - why should the authorities lie that the dead are not 300 but 60?


            He also argued and cited as an example that 4 hundred people are 4 companies. These are 12 platoons. This is almost a whole military unit of medium size. How can one conceal something in an average city? In general, yes.

            One mooing and rolling eyes about "we know something"


            Well, actually, like a doctor with a video

            And this is not the first time. The Tu-154 crashed in Sochi - everyone is still mooing like that too. They hide where it’s true that an experienced pilot could not make a mistake ... Nobody wants to read physics with aerodynamics, yeah. It's boring, you can fall asleep. It's easier to yell that "we know" ...


            the saddest thing is that it will continue to be so. Because the information field is created and heated. These are technologies and they are effective.
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 29 March 2018 15: 08
              0
              Quote: ct Petrov
              again, it is not our power that forms this flow of information. She only reacts. For censorship is forbidden.

              Selected.
          2. Victor N
            Victor N 29 March 2018 15: 57
            +1
            An intelligent person should understand that it was not the state that gave birth to him and raised him, but that he was personally to blame for his own stupidity!
            Flex_59 - write yourself.
          3. SOF
            SOF 29 March 2018 16: 11
            +3
            Quote: Alex_59
            repost some hysterical fakes from bots

            ... whatever you may say, and the Chinese in this sense are successful innovators. And in these technologies they definitely have something to learn. You go to the shopping center, and to you, according to the scan of your face, your name write on the monitor. And the computer did not recognize you - consider the primary goal for the first patrol. A little crap what kind of information begins - right away .... once - and the switch turns to the off position .... And let, then, some nits from urkaina try to do something ....
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      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 29 March 2018 18: 15
        +6
        Quote: Andrey K
        There are people, professionals. Restore everything in a second, everything will be clear.
        The state has no intention of hiding something about this tragedy

        Andrey, you’re kind of a grown man, and you believe in fairy tales. At first, official representatives claimed that there were only 64 dead, now 79 are recognized. The difference is 15 people. And in hospitals there were only 14. Already arithmetic does not match.
        And I will tell you as a former employee - remove the pink glasses. In Tolyatti, we now have the head of the city’s internal affairs department, Kheirula Akhmetkhanov. In the 90s and 2000s, he worked as the head of the investigation at the Avtozavodsky District Department of Internal Affairs. and part-time protected all Azerbaijani entrepreneurs in Togliatti (according to rumors of course wink ). Do you seriously believe that a person suddenly became honest? belay
        P.S. Only the media scandal rehabilitated the “drunk” boy, and not the expert’s professional assessment. Do you understand what I mean? hi
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 29 March 2018 18: 41
          +11
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          ... they claimed that there were only 64 dead, now 79 are recognized. The difference is 15 people. And in hospitals there were only 14. Already arithmetic does not match ...
          ... And I will tell you as a former employee - take off your pink glasses ...
          ... Now in Tolyatti, the head of the city’s internal affairs department is Akhmetkhanov Kheyrula ...
          ... protected all Azerbaijani entrepreneurs in Togliatti ...

          Igor, you seem to be not a child either.
          Arithmetic before the end of investigative actions, as a rule, is started with the goal of either provocation or pressure on the investigation.
          I don’t believe in fairy tales. About the "drunk" boy and without noise in the media, the expert was dragged by the ears. Calmly, methodically and without angry cries. No need to ascribe everything to throats.
          About pink glasses - Igor, do not bury yourself.
          As for Kheyrulla Mirzoevich, how can I tell you ...
          I him personally I know, since 1997. In your city, participated in the operation "Cyclone", at the very beginning. 1,5 months from AvtoVAZ not climbed. As a result, all your homegrown husks were identified on the bunks. Since those times, I know Akhmetkhanov. Do not duplicate your rumors and gossip. Not pretty. And if it is unproven, it is fraught.
          Well, nafig.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 29 March 2018 19: 16
            +3
            Quote: Andrey K
            Arithmetic before the end of investigative actions, as a rule, is started with the goal of either provocation or pressure on the investigation.

            Well, here I probably agree, but the muddy water allows us to obscure the facts. Fact.
            Quote: Andrey K
            About the "drunk" boy and without noise in the media, the expert was dragged by the ears. Calmly, methodically and without angry cries.

            No, the expert was brought to light only thanks to the scandal.
            Quote: Andrey K
            As for Kheyrulla Mirzoevich, how can I tell you ...
            I personally know him since 1997.

            I know him from the words of his subordinates.
            Quote: Andrey K
            1,5 months from AvtoVAZ not climbed. Eventually, the entire Your homegrown shelupon, on the bunk identified.

            Oh oh Samara police did not burn after your raid? Partisan remnants? The French, for all their shortcomings, stopped theft at once.
            Quote: Andrey K
            Do not duplicate your rumors and gossip. Not pretty. And if it is unproven, it is fraught.

            Well, not fraught, I carefully mention. wink And rumors are based, among other things, on the stories of the lieutenant colonel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. hi
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 29 March 2018 19: 31
              +8
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              ... I know him from the words of his subordinates ...
              ... oh? Samara police did not burn after your raid? Partisan remnants? The French, for all their shortcomings, stopped theft at once ...
              ... Well, not fraught, I carefully mention. wink And rumors are based, among other things, on the stories of the lieutenant colonel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. hi...

              In a fire on Kuibyshev 42, among the 57 dead, there were several of my friends, they rest in peace ...
              All the bandits profiting at AvtoVAZ were cleared by 2001. The French are there - no sideways.
              Igor, if you yourself have not seen, convey the words of third parties is not correct.
              This is the end hi
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 29 March 2018 19: 50
                0
                Quote: Andrey K
                In a fire on Kuibyshev 42, among the 57 dead, there were several of my friends, they rest in peace

                In fluff.
                Quote: Andrey K
                All the bandits profiting at AvtoVAZ were cleared by 2001. The French are there - no sideways

                Not all. Not everyone.
                Quote: Andrey K
                transmit the words of third parties is not correct.

                Friends in sports. I don’t think that they lie, after training in a bathhouse there is no sense in lying soberly. hi
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 29 March 2018 20: 04
                  +7
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  ... I don’t think that they lie, after training in a bathhouse there is no sense in lying soberly. hi...

                  There’s no point in lying at all.
                  The same can be said of the fire in Kemerovo.
                  Instantly, someone will succumb to provocation. But when the truth is revealed, then the gorlopans can have a very pale appearance.
                  Good luck to you hi
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 29 March 2018 20: 17
                    +2
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    There’s no point in lying at all.

                    It makes sense. Just looking for what.
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    But when the truth is revealed, then the gorlopans can have a very pale appearance.

                    The authorities do not care about the pale appearance, Dimon still has not heard anything intelligible to the film of Oval. Like the Seagull. It is not for nothing that Akhmetkhanov cited an example.
                    1. Andrey K
                      Andrey K 29 March 2018 20: 26
                      +6
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      ... The authorities do not care for a pale appearance, Dimon still has not heard anything intelligible to the film of Oval. Like the Seagull. It was not for nothing that Akhmetkhanov cited an example ...

                      Igor, politics is not mine.
                    2. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 29 March 2018 22: 07
                      +2
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      .

                      The authorities do not care about the pale appearance, Dimon still has not heard anything intelligible to the film of Oval. Like the Seagull. It is not for nothing that Akhmetkhanov cited an example.

                      Sorry to interfere. If you are interested, then look at YouTube - Nikolai Starikov about the film Navalny.
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        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 29 March 2018 18: 53
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          and believe in fairy tales. Initially, officials claimed that only 64 were killed, now 79 is recognized. The difference in 15 people. And in hospitals there were only 14. Already arithmetic does not match.

          Igor, well enough is already getting in line with such "show clowns" from the film industry ...

          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 29 March 2018 19: 18
            +1
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Igor, well enough is already getting in a row with such "show clowns" from the film industry

            Ilyich - come on facts by numbers, huh? I’m wrong - poke me in the face with numbers, I agree. hi
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 29 March 2018 19: 22
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Ilyich - come on facts by numbers, huh?

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Initially, officials claimed that only 64 were killed, now 79 is recognized.

              Igor .... fool Do you distinguish the difference between the words "dead" and "injured"?
              Or will we again “hype” about the 300-500 victims of the “bloody gebni”?
        3. Andrey K
          Andrey K 29 March 2018 19: 11
          +8
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          ... Kheirula Akhmetkhanov. In the 90s and 2000s, he worked as the head of the investigation at the Avtozavodsky District Department of Internal Affairs. and part-time protected all Azerbaijani entrepreneurs in Togliatti (according to rumors of course wink ). Do you seriously believe that a person suddenly became honest? belay

          According to rumors, as a lieutenant, in the early 90s I “protected” Inkombank (a branch in the city) laughing
          The result of this rumor is sewn into my personal file. According to the statement of billionaire Zakharchenko, you probably remember this (he was eventually killed in Marseilles), according to my soul, the GUSB Ministry of Internal Affairs ordered a check. It should be so.
          Everything was trite - I did not allow Zakhar (Zakharchenko) to raider the premises in the city center. This fraudster sold the premises to Inkombank, retroactively drawing up a lease for it, to his subsidiary for 49 years. How to remove a policeman - either bang or pour mud.
          That's the whole price of your rumors.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 29 March 2018 19: 31
            +2
            Quote: Andrey K
            How to remove a policeman - either bang or pour mud.

            And there are no corrupt cops? wink You do not consider the BUY option? wink
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 29 March 2018 19: 45
              +8
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              ... But there are no corrupt cops? wink You do not consider the BUY option? wink...

              I’m not considering it at all; there weren’t such among my colleagues.
              There is no cop profession - there is a policeman, or rather was.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 29 March 2018 19: 53
                +2
                Quote: Andrey K
                I’m not considering it at all; there weren’t such among my colleagues.
                There is no cop profession - there is a policeman, or rather was.

                As I already answered you, the OMON is not a corruption structure. request But OBNON and OBEP ..... And he engaged in OBAZ VAZ.
              2. Tiksi-3
                Tiksi-3 29 March 2018 22: 18
                +3
                Quote: Andrey K
                I’m not considering it at all; there weren’t such among my colleagues.

                laughing laughing lol the same can be said about all the oligarchs .... there were no thieves - all honest businessmen .....
        4. trifle
          trifle 29 March 2018 19: 26
          +4
          At first, official representatives claimed that there were only 64 dead, now 79 are recognized. The difference is 15 people. And in hospitals there were only 14. Already Arithmetic
          I apologize for criticizing you, but the above you said about 79 victims, has nothing to do with official information. I have a place to tell you that you are inattentively reading or listening to the news, it says that the total number of injured 79 people, 12 people. in the hospital, 67 people. outpatient treatment, among them 25 children. Killed 64 people. among them 41 children.
          1. Anti-Corr.
            Anti-Corr. 29 March 2018 19: 35
            +3
            Quote: trifle
            it says that the total number of injured 79 people, 12 people. in the hospital, 67 people. outpatient treatment, among them 25 children. Killed 64 people. among them 41 children.

            And it was not said there that fragments of bodies were sent to morgues and Moscow for genetic examination, these are those who burned to the ground and one more moment, you know the number of people who were in that very tightly closed room and what the rescuers told when they got from under the burnt armchairs the bodies of the dead. And about non-disclosure they are also silent. I do not escalate, I hate it when they lie.
            We must know all the dead in order to honor their memory and from now on NEVER such tragedies happened!
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 29 March 2018 20: 35
              +3
              Quote: Anti-Corr.
              I do not escalate, I hate it when they lie

              I absolutely agree. hi
        5. SOF
          SOF 29 March 2018 20: 17
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          ... you are like a grown man .....
          ..... and did not learn to read?
          ... sad ....
          ... read again ... and try to understand the meaning of the term "affected" ....
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 29 March 2018 20: 27
            +1
            Quote: SOF
            but didn’t learn to read?

            No, we are diabolical! The province is so her mother.
            Quote: SOF
            read it again ... and try to understand the meaning of the term "affected" ...

            Only 27 were identified. Missing does not count? Unaccounted for:
            1. Victoria Zikunova, 11 years old
            2. Maria Agarkova, 10 years old
            3. Anna Bakhaeva, born 2010
            4. Veronika Trusova, 8 years old
            5. Vasilisa Trusova, 4 years old
            6. Maya Erokhina, 11 years old
            7. Valeria Lillevyale, 5 years old
            8. Artemy Ivanchik, born 2008
            9. Vadim Chmykanov, 10 years old
            10. Ratibor Mukhin, 5 years old
            11. Tatyana Kurchevskaya, 11 years old
            12. Anastasia Smirnova, 11 years old
            13. Veronika Ponushkova, 11 years old
            14. Alexander Kogan, 10-11 years old

            15. Daria Saraeva, grade 6

            16. Vyacheslav Nikulin, 10 years old
            17. Victoria Pochankina, 11 years old
            18. Artem Vostrikov, 5 years old
            19. Roman Vostrikov, 2 years
            20. Anna Vostrikova, 7 years old
            21. Mikhail Galakin, born 2008
            22. Artem Baranov, 12 years old
            23. Arina Baranova, 8 years old
            24. Konstantin Agarkov, 8 years old
            25. Evgenia Melnikova
            26. Nina Sukhozad, b. 1949
            27. Vilena Chernikova, 11 years old
            28. Sergey Chernikov, 28 years old
            29. Anton Mukhin, 28 years old
            30. Tatyana Kurchevich, 4 years old
            31. Nadezhda Agarkova, 57 years old
            32. Marina Baranova, 60 years old
            33. Igor Teslenko, 51 years old
            34. Arina Teslenko, 8 years old
            35. Polina Moroz, 1982
            36. Maria Moroz, 19 years old
            37. Ksenia Ananyeva, 11 years old
            38. Alina, 16 years old
            39. Maxim Stukalov, 17 years old
            40. Svetlana Kovalevskaya, 9 years old
            41. Egor Kovalevsky, 5 years old
            42. Julia Alimova, 6 years old
            43. Gregory Kogan, 42 years old
            44. Tatyana Dersaliya
            45. Irina Bakhaeva, born 1974
            46. ​​Vyacheslav Bakhaev, b. 1974
            47. Natalya Sybko
            48. Elizabeth Sybko
            49. Arina Kislenko, 9 years old
            50. Igor Kislenko, 40 years old
            51. Alena Sabadash, born 1995
            52. Dmitry Galakin, born 1975
            53. Oksana Evseeva
            54. Anfisa Klein, 30 years old
            Infa from the Komsomol truth.
            1. SOF
              SOF 29 March 2018 20: 53
              +1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Infa from the Komsomol truth

              .... terrible arithmetic ..
              Here is a link to the Kemerovo city portal - there is other information
              http://m.kemerovo.ru/glavnoe/
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 29 March 2018 21: 11
                +1
                Quote: SOF
                terrible arithmetic ..

                Can not argue. Do not wish the enemy. recourse
                And believe me - all manipulators that hide, inflate the numbers of the dead, need to be punished. hi
                1. SOF
                  SOF 29 March 2018 21: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  need to be punished

                  ... necessary... hi
            2. Anti-Corr.
              Anti-Corr. 29 March 2018 21: 03
              +1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Infa from the Komsomol truth.

              Igor! go nuts ... we all don’t want to add lists ... but it will probably ... go to the "shinok"., Adryuha (yuryich), cried for three days ..., we are sentimental fathers with many children ... .., let the cynics ruin, and I
              I can’t take it anymore ...
      4. nikolaev
        nikolaev 29 March 2018 18: 53
        +3
        Condolences! And may the Lord give you strength to survive this grief!
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    4. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 29 March 2018 14: 29
      +3
      did not try to include a head? this is an obvious decision in such a situation to protect yourself from smoke. he could not see people. . here because of such statements here I will always be for the fact that the Old would be kept secret until the result.
      1. kit88
        kit88 29 March 2018 16: 00
        0
        Yes of course. Why stir up the water before the end of the investigation. According to the main article - the man is this unintended killer. And according to your post - it seems like he, on the contrary, saved someone’s life. And in general it is not clear whether he closed the door with a key? What for? You just can’t shut it. In short, the investigation will figure out to whom the medals are awarded, and to whom it has been sawed.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 29 March 2018 18: 20
          0
          Quote: kit88
          In short, the investigation will figure out to whom the medals are awarded, and to whom it has been sawed.

          And as always they will reward the uninvolved, and punish the innocent.
          1. kit88
            kit88 29 March 2018 19: 39
            +1
            Well, that's fine.
            “The main thing in the course of the investigation is not to get yourself
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 29 March 2018 22: 18
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: kit88
            In short, the investigation will figure out to whom the medals are awarded, and to whom it has been sawed.

            And as always they will reward the uninvolved, and punish the innocent.

            Ingvar, you need to see V. Solovyov’s speech in the Sov. Fed. Useful There he also talked about the judicial system.
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 29 March 2018 13: 40
    +6
    Our Russian zvezdvaystvo us and goes-not sideways, death! A person who does not have the right to close something is not going about his business, and now these victims are on his conscience, if he has it! We still learn a lot of things that shock us as a result of the investigation, it’s too early to draw conclusions, but you need to change something right today! Once again, I am degenerating my condolences to the families of those who died and who died in this nightmare! !!
    1. jetfors_84
      jetfors_84 29 March 2018 13: 49
      +9
      And in case of fire, you will understand where your affairs are and where not yours?
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 29 March 2018 14: 15
        +3
        There are brains for this - if there are people in the room, get them out of there to start! This is an axiom! And he did exactly the opposite, and became an involuntary killer! !!!!!!!!!!!!
        1. 210ox
          210ox 29 March 2018 14: 58
          +2
          Let’s not put a lot of exclamation marks. What and how the investigation will understand. I am very sorry for this person and I understand his grief ..
          Quote: Herkulesich
          There are brains for this - if there are people in the room, get them out of there to start! This is an axiom! And he did exactly the opposite, and became an involuntary killer! !!!!!!!!!!!!
    2. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 29 March 2018 14: 34
      +20
      I will advise you on an experiment. Go indoors and light a smoke grenade. and then try to do everything according to the rules. I was in the nightclub which is located on the third floor of the building, and on the first floor I threw the usual black color on a flue. standard military. all clouded in seconds. well, there were few people in the hall. we also stupidly locked the door. do not go down from the word at all. screams screaming. it then only learned that this was a checker. judge people’s hare for actions until they are smart people.
    3. tomket
      tomket 29 March 2018 18: 31
      +1
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Our Russian zvezdvaystvo us and goes-not sideways, death! A person who does not have the right to close something is not going about his business, and now these victims are on his conscience, if he has it! We still learn a lot of things that shock us as a result of the investigation, it’s too early to draw conclusions, but you need to change something right today! Once again, I am degenerating my condolences to the families of those who died and who died in this nightmare! !!

      First there was a teacher who closed the class, then the cashier, then some sort of peasant. Tomorrow, probably the liquid reptiloids will be closed?
  3. bazzbazz
    bazzbazz 29 March 2018 13: 40
    +3
    The nightmare continues, it is no longer clear where the truth is and where the lie is! Do we find out the truth in general .... patience and strength to all relatives of the victims!
    1. Ushly_bashkort
      Ushly_bashkort 29 March 2018 13: 48
      +6
      it’s no longer clear where the truth is and where the lie is

      That is why such information should not be disclosed before the end of the investigation. Now a bunch will come out again opinion leaders deer, which will begin to tear off the covers and tell the Truth ©.
      1. Black water
        Black water 29 March 2018 14: 30
        0
        true, for this they take non-disclosure subscriptions so that there are no leaks during the investigation.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 March 2018 17: 13
      0
      True, there are already 67 people dead - due to the owner’s developer, the gouging of the guard and the disregard of the supervisory authorities.
  4. Graz
    Graz 29 March 2018 13: 41
    0
    if this is true then it is more like a terrorist attack with a suicide bomber
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 29 March 2018 14: 11
      +4
      Quote: Graz
      if this is true then it is more like a terrorist attack with a suicide bomber

      What a "suicide bomber" if he himself locked the door was still alive
      1. Anti-Corr.
        Anti-Corr. 29 March 2018 14: 14
        +2
        Quote: Volodin
        What a "suicide bomber" if he himself locked the door was still alive

        If this is truly true, it would be better if he died.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 29 March 2018 14: 49
          +11
          Quote: Anti-Corr.
          If this is truly true, it would be better if he died.

          And if rescuers would make their way to them, then he would be a hero who correctly assessed the situation ... For in the pitch smoke to lead a crowd of young children, and even when adults are running around in a panic, it is also unknown what the result was. By the way, visitors to the fitness club, its employees sent to the roof, where then the firemen took them off the stairs, and did not drive down the burning building
          1. Anti-Corr.
            Anti-Corr. 29 March 2018 15: 18
            +5
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            And if rescuers would make their way to them, then he would be a hero who correctly assessed the situation ... For in the pitch smoke to lead a crowd of young children, and even when adults are running around in a panic, it is also not known what the result was

            Many videos show that smoke was blowing from the 3rd floor and a lot of time passed from the moment of fire to the arrival of firefighters, and the first calculations arrived without any means of fighting fire. I personally have big questions for the rescuers. Their task is to save. And it turns out, we went from Kursk to Kemerovo, only then the military personnel died, and now the kids .... I’d better not watch these videos ....
    2. Kondratko
      Kondratko 29 March 2018 14: 37
      +9
      What are the suicide bombers, a person did what was necessary to do in that setting. According to the article: - if leaving the cinema hall a person saw a strong smoke in the corridor and realized that without a high risk to life one couldn’t get through it, then, logically, the most correct decision was to close the door of the still smokeless room from the inside and even block it cracks, to prevent the penetration of combustion products into the inside, and then rely on God and wait for the salvors. (
      I grieve ...
      1. lazy
        lazy 29 March 2018 15: 05
        +2
        as far as I understand, this is the same person that his wife told about. really seeing that everything was closed in smoke, he phoned his wife and she asked the firemen to go there, but they did not go (we must wait for the rescuers), without waiting for the risk to go on their own, passed out on the stairs and breathed out, the rescuers found him. he lost two children.
        1. Kondratko
          Kondratko 29 March 2018 15: 50
          0
          without waiting, he ventured to go on his own, passed out on the stairs and breathed out, the rescuers found him there. he lost two children

          Children could not stand what an adult had; in an extreme situation, it is difficult to choose the only right solution. Carbon monoxide is very insidious, he himself died, you won’t even have time to figure it out, but you will wake up already in the oxygen pressure chamber in a day or you won’t wake up at all. After not very severe poisoning, I have problems with the brain, but not cretic - at the same time, I practically forgot all my childhood and what happened to me before this incident, there were big problems with remembering. My acquaintance also died away, because of a faulty exhaust in the bathroom by the gas column, only a couple of breaths of CO2 were enough to lose consciousness and fall unconscious in a room practically deprived of oxygen, they found him after a few minutes, pulled him out, and as a result he did survived, but could not walk for 8 months, then studied again, lost weight from 120 to 50 kg., and children need even less.
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 29 March 2018 16: 12
          +3
          Quote: lazy
          as far as I understand, this is the same person that his wife told about. really seeing that everything was closed in smoke, he phoned his wife and she asked the firemen to go there, but they did not go (we must wait for the rescuers), without waiting for the risk to go on their own, passed out on the stairs and breathed out, the rescuers found him. he lost two children.
          Your truth, in the end I went for help and myself accidentally survived - absolutely did not deserve reproaches! These are questions to the rescuers, why, knowing about people in the cinema, they did not render timely assistance
          1. Anti-Corr.
            Anti-Corr. 29 March 2018 16: 28
            +2
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            on the stairs, breathing out passed out, there rescuers found him. he lost two children.

            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Your truth, in the end I went for help and myself accidentally survived - absolutely did not deserve reproaches!

            Not a single father in his right mind will ever leave his children in a danger zone for their lives. And in general there are a lot of oddities, he called his wife and 112 did not call .... Again, judging by the video, from the moment of the fire to the death of people it took about The first hour, although it is better to wait for the investigation, otherwise I also get excited, not knowing all the circumstances.
    3. sogdy
      sogdy 29 March 2018 15: 17
      +2
      Quote: Graz
      if true then this is more like

      Can you now say which category was assigned to the fire _initially_?
      And there were plans for premises and evacuation? Do firefighters / rescuers?
      I believe that initially there was a low category - the same as "small business", and not a community center with a massive presence. And the firefighters had no plans.
  5. MIG00001
    MIG00001 29 March 2018 13: 42
    0
    It was necessary to blow up the wall and lower the people down the stairs
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 29 March 2018 14: 15
      +3
      Quote: MIG00001
      It was necessary to blow up the wall and lower the people down the stairs

      There are no words. Even commenting on such stupidity is not hunting. But still. What, to whom and when to blow up? And there in the course of all the external walls bearing.
    2. sogdy
      sogdy 29 March 2018 15: 18
      +2
      A wall by the stove? Yes, there would be a crematorium immediately.
  6. cedar
    cedar 29 March 2018 13: 45
    +14
    Another anonymous throw. Ostensibly Vostrikov said ...
    People are shocked, and Vostrikov even more so. Specialists in the information-psychological war and terror have always enjoyed a shock state ...
    One hundred investigators are working to understand the truth and bring everything and everyone to clean water, and at this time an irresponsible throw-in appears on VO.
    Admins, look at the root and steer accordingly ...
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 29 March 2018 14: 06
      +8
      Quote: cedar
      Another anonymous throw. Ostensibly Vostrikov said ...

      Brad does not need to write. Everything that is written here said precisely Igor Vostrikov. His record was published by him on the social network. VK. The same entry is on RIA Novosti:
      https://ria.ru/society/20180329/1517514227.html?r
      eferrer_block = index_main_1
      1. Anti-Corr.
        Anti-Corr. 29 March 2018 14: 20
        0
        Quote: Volodin
        His record was published by him on VKontakte social network.

        Here is his video!
    2. AleksPol
      AleksPol 29 March 2018 14: 07
      0
      I agree with you in everything. In the next branch they write that the check, the latter was carried out in 2012, and the rest only on paper. And the complex opened in 2013. And after all, they write with conviction that they are right.
  7. fedor13
    fedor13 29 March 2018 13: 49
    +3
    Condolences. Schools need to restore the lessons of life safety. And now it is possible everywhere video of real situations. And the actions of the Ministry of Emergencies will be evaluated by the relevant authority.
    1. Ushly_bashkort
      Ushly_bashkort 29 March 2018 14: 49
      +1
      It is necessary for everyone to return the measures for civil defense and emergency situations, not only the children panic and do not know what to do in emergency situations.
  8. Azazelo
    Azazelo 29 March 2018 14: 05
    +1
    Here it is a new, deprived of everything, uncontrollable face of the revolution. No offense to all the victims (there’s nothing you can do to help the peasant. There’s not a word to do to at least somehow relieve the rage and pain in this person’s soul), but the dude will use all kinds of rubbish to promote what they need and people to riot and rallies raise. And from this it becomes even worse. But understanding comes about what non-humans we are dealing with.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 29 March 2018 15: 22
      0
      Quote: Azazelo
      Here it is a new, deprived of everything, uncontrollable face of the revolution.

      The most interesting thing is whether this face is virtual?
  9. MIG00001
    MIG00001 29 March 2018 14: 06
    +2
    damn yes who prevented them from cutting or using dynamite to make a door on the fourth floor they also borrowed that there are children in the cinema they also called
    1. ct Petrov
      ct Petrov 29 March 2018 14: 33
      +6
      with us, on the other hand, each Mchsnik and ordinary citizen has a dynamite checker in his pocket.
      1. Kondratko
        Kondratko 29 March 2018 14: 56
        +2
        Don’t react, this demolitionist is already scribbling the second post (possibly from an adjacent trench) about undermining the walls, only they have enough dynamite to undermine the walls in any sector of the city and reason to write this ... Or he just needs to sober up.
        hi
  10. Alex 2016
    Alex 2016 29 March 2018 14: 45
    0
    So it was him and many other righteous people that the machine prevented the passage of special vehicles. And who and when called the rescue service or fire department? The answer. Yes figs there, we will shoot the video better! How many tragedies are happening and no one is calling right away! Everyone just shoots the videos. Such people climb everywhere, show them, PR. And who really did something right and right, at best, thank them. It is necessary to tell about heroes and PEOPLE, but not about different things. Condolences to the victims.
  11. Fox
    Fox 29 March 2018 14: 51
    +2
    Knowing how the system for communicating information works, I don’t believe the officials. There are not a lot of precedents. Including during the service.
    1. ct Petrov
      ct Petrov 29 March 2018 15: 00
      +1
      Ukrainians didn’t believe, but believed that Moscow brought riot police to suppress the Maidan.
      In general, many of us are processed and our minds are strenuously turned away from the state by headlines in the media, stuffing fakes and an unprecedented stream of lies. And this is a fact.

      Yes, even cranking the operation on a kind of "official state channel" is quite realistic because each of us wants to live better than he lives now.

      And even if you don’t watch TV, you’ll read the headline on the Internet, and if you’re disconnected from the Internet, you will certainly stumble upon Echo of Moscow and more. The work is carried out systematically.
  12. bogart047
    bogart047 29 March 2018 15: 19
    0
    I do not trust the words of a man who left his wife and children in a fire.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 29 March 2018 20: 21
      +1
      Quote: bogart047
      I do not trust the words of a man who left his wife and children in a fire.

      He was not there at all.
  13. sogdy
    sogdy 29 March 2018 15: 20
    0
    Quote: Volodin
    the record was published by him on VKontakte social network. The same entry is on RIA Novosti:

    So what? Is there an electronic signature there? DNA? Does he personally lie there?
  14. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 29 March 2018 18: 12
    +1
    The tragedy is terrible and I’m sure that conclusions will be drawn ... But this hysteria and earning points and money on this tragedy bothers me the most ..! Just some sort of pack of rabid dogs trained rushed on this their ratings to raise and poison the Russian and Russia .. That's right Stalin made stripping. these mad dogs can only be soothed.! soldier negative
  15. yehat
    yehat 30 March 2018 09: 53
    0
    people are not taught to fight fire. I had to put out fires several times - one was the height of a 5-story building. And I saw a lot of idiots. I had a friend fireman, I trained, took exams for a young fireman, regularly visited the fire department, but I also made mistakes when putting out.
    in a panic and in a hurry, wrong decisions are often made, even dictated by the right motives due to fear, haste, inexperience and lack of information.
    therefore, do not rush to lower all the dogs to the one who closed the door. the extreme is very easy to find.
    not knowledge does not exonerate, but exempt from the charge of immorality,
    even if there was such a man and closed the door.
    Therefore, if you are discussing, do not rush to extremes.
  16. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 30 March 2018 17: 05
    0
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    At first, official representatives claimed that there were only 64 dead, now 79 are recognized. The difference is 15 people. And in hospitals there were only 14. Already arithmetic does not match.

    Actually, I heard in the central news on the first day about 14 dead. Even I doubted when I saw a huge building in a fire.
    The question is, why lied?
  17. Alexsever
    Alexsever 31 March 2018 22: 10
    +1
    Quote: Alex Justice
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    At first, official representatives claimed that there were only 64 dead, now 79 are recognized. The difference is 15 people. And in hospitals there were only 14. Already arithmetic does not match.

    Actually, I heard in the central news on the first day about 14 dead. Even I doubted when I saw a huge building in a fire.
    The question is, why lied?

    You do not understand or provocateur. It was said about 14 known dead at that time.