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We are waiting for the repetition of the Kemerovo tragedy?

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We will continue to speak on the most unpleasant topic for us. To which, however, it is necessary to speak. Today it affected the residents of Kemerovo, tomorrow it will affect anyone. The country is big.

In the first lines, I immediately want to say about the first impressions of the actions of those who were supposed to ACT.

Omit staff mall and calculations MES. About them a separate conversation should be, especially about the Ministry of Emergency Situations. Talk about a possible terrorist attack will be, but somewhat lower.

Part one. About work

Let's start with the highest. With the president.

We are waiting for the repetition of the Kemerovo tragedy?


“The first feeling when you hear the figures about the number of the dead, about the children, I don’t want to cry. I want to roar. But you will listen to what is being said here, already other feelings arise. ” (V. Putin at the planning meeting in the administration of the Kemerovo region.)



The fact that Putin flew to Kemerovo is weighty. Gives hope for relative order and justice. Although not all statements come to everyone's taste. Some irritation is felt.

“What is going on here? This is not fighting, not a sudden release of methane at the mine. People came to rest, children. We talk about demographics and lose so many people - because of what? Because of criminal negligence, because of carelessness. "

We will agree.



After reviewing a bunch of Siberian sites with different assessments of the situation, we understand the president. Apparently, the decision was made "on the run", there were some other things to do. But - I had to fly.

And here we have a misunderstanding. But without Putin - no way? Not at all?

Many readers expressed that, they say, the captain on the ship, and stuff like that. Disagree categorically. The captain should command / direct the crew. If the captain starts working both for the navigator, and for the foreman, and for the helmsman - that is still the crew at the exit. No.

It turns out that the crew in the Kuzbass just no. Alas, not our conclusion.

For some reason, Governor Tuleyev, who was supposed to be “on the tip of the attack,” sits smoothly and calmly. Power saves?

They were very respectful of Tuleyev, and - somehow respect for that ... evaporated.

Not only did the inaction take place, but also began to lie!

The governor Tuleyev did not arrive at the place of the fire. His administration claimed that such a decision was made at the request of Emergency Situations Minister Vladimir Puchkov, so as not to interfere with the rescue operation.

Although it seems, in the presence of Kuzbass-Bashi, fire brigade calculations would act more boldly and more quickly.

But problems with the movement of the governor - for the locals is not a secret. Now we are in the know.

Governor Tuleyev did not come out to the people who gathered in the square. Moreover, he also slandered those gathered in the eyes of Putin.

Tuleyev said that at the rally there were no relatives of the victims, and he was held by the "opposition" of 200 people: "Today, there are two hundred people there. They are not relatives of the victims at all, they are permanent buzothers. This is blasphemy, when there is grief, and you try to solve your problems."

Sorry, but this is extremely strange behavior. What then did his two deputies do there for six hours? Two hundred oppositionists - this is it?



More will be ... More.

And one of the main “buzoterov”, Igor Vostrikov, who has three (TROE !!!) children (2, 5, 7 years) in the mall and his wife and sister. Did he solve his problems?



I would not like to be clever about Kemerovo, who chose Mr. Tuleyev in the regular elections in 2015, with an astronomical figure of 96,69%, but it seems to us that it is time for Aman Gumirovich to rest in 73, but after the most complicated spinal surgery in Germany.

You can not dominate - free the way young.

However, we emphasize once again that this is a matter exclusively for the residents of Kuzbass.

But the old Soviet principle "from the post at the cemetery" must be forgotten. It is non-functional. You can not work - come on, bye, so that the president will not rush around the country with an ambulance. This is not his business as it were. It is on the outside of the head above the roof.

By the way, this was the first to rush to the place of the tragedy, so it is ... That's right, Prime Minister! The head of our government!

I really want to ask: why was Mr. Medvedev so busy that he himself could not?

I do not even want to guess. In any case, it looked not at all normal: Putin was unable to secure (once again) a workable prime minister, because he himself was moving. Okay, we are not discussing the choice of Vladimir Vladimirovich. Until.

Enough for yourself and for that guy - no question.

But some sediment remains from the analysis of the actions of the governor, the prime minister and the president. Rusty.

And on how local questions were mocked by Putin. And how he openly marveled at the frank stupidity of his seemingly subordinates.

Putin: “Mayor where? Why wasn't the mayor called to the meeting? ”

- Bour-mur mur ... me ... bebe ...

Mayor Ilya Seredyuk was at that moment (for 6 hours) with people at the rally. He answered questions and tried in every way to talk to people. He organized a delegation trip to the morgue and even a group of deputies to talk to Putin.

Good or bad, but the mayor was where he was. It is difficult to say where it was worse, in the office with Putin or on the square with a crowd of several thousand, but that's how Seredyuk worked that day.

For the rest, we repeat - well, not very Kemerovo impressions from everyone. Just because we perfectly imagine such a situation in our cities.


Urgent installation of a fire escape for Putin's arrival at the Promenade-3 shopping and entertainment complex. Just in case, he suddenly sees ...


In general, what we imagine is a mess.

Part two. Terrorist

What is happening today in some seemingly Russian media will lead anyone into a rage. How to name these organisms is not clear. The analogies are solely obscene.

Children died! Lot. Even one is a lot. And in Kemerovo - a lot. Children who did not even begin to live properly. And a lot of bastards, in particular from the "Rain", are trying to kill this death, many deaths, in the color of shit.

I wonder why the "national wealth", as they position themselves in the well-known advertising, "Gazprom" continues to finance these subhuman? What is the profit that a herd of unintelligible organisms speculates on human pain?

Read comments to articles about the tragedy in Kemerovo. Oh, how we love to hide our own ass when it smells fried. Those who expressed condolences to the Kemerovo people, thank you. It hurts them now. Unbearably painful. It hurts with such pain that even the enemy would not wish.

But it’s worth talking to those who are disguised as “searching for the truth”, writing nonsense, and maybe deliberately throwing in hostile ideas.

It is clear that many sofa and other "experts" today rushed to scribbling their versions of the tragedy. The tragedy differs from comedy in that there is some clouding of consciousness in the tragedy. In order not to go crazy, the brain is looking for explanations. Looking for the guilty.

No wonder they started with political correctness. Tell me, is it possible to talk politically correctly with those who are actively promoting the theme of the terrorist act in Winter Cherry? Do you think these people want to know the truth?

Nonsense. These are cowards who can benefit from blaming the death of children on the mythical terrorists. One terrorist perfectly “covers” many scum, who, who by foolishness, and who even for small bribes, did not care about their official duties. Spat on the safety of people.

Arguments supporters of the theory of terrorist attack are killed. In the cinema halls, the doors to the session were closed ... Disrespectful, did you go to the movies for a long time? Ever seen the open doors of the cinema during a session? They are always closed.

Another question is that duty must stand near the door. This is another question.

Or another 100% evidence. Even after extinguishing the fire, several new fires appeared. Imagine, for some reason, plastic burns not only from above, but also inside, near the walls. Plates something bilateral. And the water evaporates! It burns itself plastic "from the inside out" and suddenly inflames. Strange yes?

The remaining arguments are about the same order. Arguments that any Emergencies Ministry lieutenant can easily explain.

Do you want saboteurs show? Surnames can not be called, but this is a matter of 5 minutes. Just look at the lists of employees working on this shift.

The saboteurs are those of the animators who shamefully fled from the hall of trampolines and other halls where the children remained. Ran away, leaving the children to die! Is your skin more expensive? Children are strangers ...

No, these are the saboteurs who must be tried by the people's court. In the square to judge. To look into the eyes of people. Mothers, fathers, grandmothers, grandfathers, classmates, teachers, relatives were watched.

But there was one girl who remained a man in this situation. One! She took the children out of the burning room. Saved children's lives! Risks her, and saved others, not even known to her. But kids! Honor and glory to her. And the eternal memory of Tatiana Darsalia, who brought out her daughter and rushed after the others. And which doctors could not save. Poisoning gases.

Human thanks to the people. Coaches and security guards of the gym and pool, who did not run away, but waited for the people and led them through the side exit.

Thanks to the 17-year-old cadet of the Emergency Ministry cadet corps Dima Polukhin. The boy himself escaped and brought three children from the burning shopping and entertainment center.

And you about saboteurs and terrorists ...

The saboteurs are those who closed the doors of cinema halls and shamefully fled when an open fire appeared.

Listen to the story of Igor Vostrikov, whose three children, his wife and sister, died in the fire. “My wife called me and said that they were locked in a cinema. She asked for help” ...

What feels like a man who has lost everything he treasured in this life because of bastards who did not want to just turn the key in the cinema door? Bastards, who now, perhaps, listen to the lamentations of relatives and friends about the tragic fate of children in the mall. But they must live on ... Living with this burden until their own animal death. For it is difficult to equate such with people.

The saboteurs, those who, instead of grabbing a sledgehammer and fleeing to beat out the doors of the exits and rooms, jumped out into the street and saw the death of people. Perhaps they even cried. And the children were fried alive! Living children turned into charred heads.

Do not be clever and look for the guilty where the perpetrators are known. known specific performers "terrorist attacks". Some of which we showed you.

But the "leaders" need to find. Those who created the conditions under which "little people" became "terrorists."

This is a good signal to everyone. From Putin to the entrepreneur. Putin has a signal that he has only 6 years to understand: the people on the ground are not his people. They are for themselves and for their shirt. But they are afraid of him. Until. And much.

But you have to do something. If for the next election the team remains the same, there will hardly be so much support. Advances need to work out, Mr. President.

And we all have a signal. For those who stretch envelopes. Fire Inspector, Sanitary Inspection Officer and so on.

Yes, they are no longer able to live otherwise. Without handouts in envelopes. Officials, inspectors and others.

The fact is that with us the punishment of God and other nonsense is complicated. Envelopes with money stretched and will stretch alone, and completely different people received plastic envelopes with corpses.

But this is life. And we must still live in a human way. Without regard to Putin. He, at least, did not push anyone towards the envelopes. This is the people themselves on the ground honored.

And because the tragedy of Kemerovo, as before Kazan and Perm, hangs over any city in Russia. From Kaliningrad to Petropavlovsk-on-Kamchatka.

And saboteurs have nothing to do with it. And Putin, too. We ourselves kill our tomorrow in the name of today's ghostly preferences.





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  1. Victor jnnjdfy
    Victor jnnjdfy 28 March 2018 05: 45
    +4
    Impunity breeds indifference and irresponsibility. But there shouldn’t be according to the "good" army rule: "How to find out who got punished." Alas, we are poorly able to create the framework for our behavior for ourselves. We need to be put in this framework. And there, perhaps, we ourselves will begin to behave differently.
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 28 March 2018 06: 24
      +8
      Yes, this is not impunity, but lack of initiative generates indifference and irresponsibility. I had to work in a technical position both in the city administration and in public health, and so, the saying “initiative is punishable” has always acted and continues to function since Soviet times, and only because of this all these outrages are not resolved from year to year. All officials and hard workers, including sitting, are waiting for something, seeing the whole mess, no one moves to improve, fix, bring them to the right state until they are told, do it. Everything is done only after the famous rooster does not bite where it should be - this is our trouble.
      1. Victor jnnjdfy
        Victor jnnjdfy 28 March 2018 06: 42
        +15
        There are job descriptions and job descriptions. There are fire safety rules. Perform your direct duties. Just. Without any initiative.
        1. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 28 March 2018 06: 59
          +5
          Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
          Perform your direct duties


          If you did this to me, then I always did it and got a hat for it even from the relevant ministry. Therefore, there are no awards or other papers commendable and others there, and finalized until retirement. I have always been told the same thing, which is what I most need. Therefore, I am writing here that he was and is indifferent and could not stand the outrages and irresponsibility.
          1. Victor jnnjdfy
            Victor jnnjdfy 28 March 2018 07: 08
            +9
            I am not for you personally. I do not know you personally. I’m saying that this should become a general rule, then there will be less tragedies. Why not one .... opened the doors of the cinema halls? Why were they locked up? Is Putin also to blame? But Putin took responsibility for the country. And Putin is responsible for what is happening in the country. We are the same citizens of the country as Putin. And each of us must also bear our share of responsibility for the Country.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 28 March 2018 07: 34
              +2
              Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
              Why were they locked up?

              That's interesting to me. I must say right away, I went to the cinema last time in 90. I don’t understand this tyranny.
              1. nadezhiva
                nadezhiva 28 March 2018 09: 28
                +14
                I will simply say: for more than 10 years I have been driving children to the cinema regularly. 1-2 times a month. The situation is shocking for me. Never!!!!! the door never closed during the session. These are kids. With a full room, for the entire duration of the session (60-90 minutes), 5 to 10 children are brought out. She herself deduced more than once, sometimes sometimes now. 0.5 liter Pepsi during viewing work flawlessly.
                I was literally bothered by the following: who was just not detained there. But who closed the doors to the cinema and did not open? What a lousy political correctness? Security guard? Yes, it seems nothing like that. The guard, who was detained, sat at the control panel, seeing smoke, rushed to the 4th floor.
                WHO closed the door? AND WHY they did not open it with the start of a fire?
                If the "door closing" rule was in effect in that gadyushnik, then who should have opened them?
              2. Rey_ka
                Rey_ka 28 March 2018 14: 08
                +1
                according to the norms from the hall in which more than 50 people should be two independent exits
                1. Alf
                  Alf 28 March 2018 23: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: Rey_ka
                  according to the norms from the hall in which more than 50 people should be two independent exits

                  What are the norms? What are you speaking about ?
                  Near my home shopping center Aurora. 6 floors. 4 floors of small traders, on the 5th floor (not on the first floor! The bulk of the people there) is a large entertainment center-cinema, a children's playground + ice rink.
                  Down there are two elevators, which in the event of a fire are silly to count on, and 2 (TWO) stairs. One in the center, 3 people wide, and one in the right side of the building, TWO people wide, and it is always open, but I never saw anyone walking on it, it’s so in the corner. God forbid, the fire and Kemerovo will happen again.
                  1. region58
                    region58 29 March 2018 01: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: Alf
                    Down there are two elevators, which in case of fire it’s silly to count

                    Elevators must have a "fire hazard" mode, which provides for the forced movement of the elevator car in case of fire to the main landing floor, opening and holding doors in the open position. The mode is activated by a signal from the building's automatic fire alarm systems. Therefore, in case of fire, they will not work.
                    There is also a mode of "transportation of fire units", but this is a separate issue ...
                  2. nadezhiva
                    nadezhiva 29 March 2018 08: 12
                    0
                    Quote: Alf
                    Near my home shopping center Aurora. 6 floors. 4 floors of small traders, on the 5th floor (not on the first floor! The bulk of the people there) is a large entertainment center-cinema, a children's playground + ice rink.

                    Get to your shopping center and ask to show the escape routes. If the shopping center is new, then most likely be surprised. Typically, the doors of the emergency exits are located on the wall opposite the entrance. Take an interest. Apparently, you will learn a lot. You need to learn from the mistakes of others and not wait for your own.
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 29 March 2018 20: 37
                      0
                      Quote: nadezhiva
                      Get to your shopping center and ask to show the escape routes. If the shopping center is new, then most likely be surprised. Typically, the doors of the emergency exits are located on the wall opposite the entrance. Take an interest. Apparently, you will learn a lot. You need to learn from the mistakes of others and not wait for your own.

                      Why are you doing this? I already know these outputs, I say that no one uses them, they just don’t know about them.
                  3. Koshak
                    Koshak 29 March 2018 17: 21
                    +1
                    Today I walk past the Mir shopping center - Ufa, October Avenue, the building of the former sewing company of the same name - banners on all walls: "We invite you to a new movie bar at the 4th level!" Entrance doors from the Prospectus - turntables ...

                    "God forbid, the fire and Kemerovo will happen again."

                    Kemerovo .... CHILDREN! crying and the animals in the contact zoo are also victims of human greed ... negative
            2. nadezhiva
              nadezhiva 28 March 2018 09: 55
              +12
              Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
              Why not one .... opened the doors of the cinema halls? Why were they locked up?
              They say opened. But for some reason, not all. The cinema hall in which the cartoons were going was closed. Where were the smallest and most defenseless.
              The author writes that this is not a planned action. Yah????
              We look: 1) The moment is perfect! External pressure on the country, plus which will begin (unambiguously) spontaneous rallies and actions.
              2) In an ordinary poor, provincial shopping center, where even maintenance personnel are not enough, the alarm goes off mysteriously over and over again. Not once, not two, not even five. It bothers everyone. And someone mysterious turns it off. Who! HZ.
              3) Someone is very secret (they don’t even say who) in this shopping center walks and closes the doors of cinema halls for the duration of the sessions. Those. in theory, does this same person discover? Not that full name ..., even the position in 3 days was not announced.
              This "X" during a fire opens (pardoned) 2 cinema out of 3. And the third, where the cartoons go and the kids sit, mysteriously “forgets”.
              4) What do we have at the output? Right! Protests and rallies, which are shown not only in Russia. Really right? They are shown around the world. See: how in Russia they demand the overthrow of power. Even local.
              And all this does not draw on the planned share? The most disgusting thing that even pulls. With all due respect to the author.
              And about Tuleyev, to be honest, at that age and the governor .... Why? No place in the SF?
              1. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 28 March 2018 10: 25
                +2
                Interesting actually. But according to the law, the mall is required to have an organization serving the PS. Which can not tolerate "mysterious" outages. There is nothing mysterious in such outages! If all technical reasons are excluded (and this is easy for three or four alarms), then the study of video materials begins (there is no shopping center without video surveillance, just such a shopping center will go bankrupt).
                This happened to us - some people like sabotage for the sake of sabotage itself. Sirens scream, people run, buzz ... You can always find. So you need to study the issue of the service organization, and seriously. I assure you any "poor" (that’s unlikely!) The mall is able to afford the normal service of the substation, its price tag is not sky-high.
              2. TuM0305
                TuM0305 28 March 2018 14: 32
                +6
                You didn’t move there by chance? Did the CIA put foam and foam in the walls? Did the USA make burning plastic coatings? Did Britain ruin it and then not fix the fire alarm? Something about Putin in the Kremlin and at the dacha does not burn anything, and not a single thing from the government! Nursing homes are burning, residential houses are collapsing, but that's nothing! America is all to blame! Bulgakov also wrote, devastation in the minds, and as long as we have people bending the law under themselves, this will not end!
                1. nadezhiva
                  nadezhiva 28 March 2018 15: 10
                  +2
                  I AM???? Went mind ???? If they had tried to close me in the cinema room with children over the last 10 years .... I would have hollowed this door so that I could hear it on the 1st floor of the shopping center. I would find a shield and hatchet. Only now I have never been shut down. And here they CLOSED the kids! And no one, not one reptile, having opened other cinema halls (and it was leaked in the media that they had been opened) "did not remember" another cinema in which the cartoon was walking and the children were sitting! And it’s not a secret to anyone that the reaction to the mass death of children will be the most severe and unpredictable.
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 28 March 2018 23: 13
                    +1
                    Quote: nadezhiva
                    And it’s not a secret to anyone that the reaction to the mass death of children will be the most severe and unpredictable.

                    They will punish the security guard sitting "on the button".
                    1. nadezhiva
                      nadezhiva 29 March 2018 08: 13
                      0
                      What does the punishment have to do with it? I'm talking about the reaction among the people.
                  2. plebs
                    plebs 29 March 2018 02: 10
                    +2
                    And no one, not one reptile, having opened other cinema halls (and it was leaked in the media that they had been opened) "did not remember" another cinema in which the cartoon was walking and the children were sitting!
                    Most of the spectators sat in the largest hall-№1 (there was a film Pacific Rim 2). It was there, at the entrance to the hall, was the only employee who behaved competently. Sofia Sigachkova, a 16-year-old daughter of a movie theater employee, the trainee responsible for cinema room No. 1 with a friend, was sitting at the entrance with a friend and was one of the first to hear the screams of people running from the side of the game room. She went out into the corridor and saw a wall of fire at its opposite end. People fled from there with all their might, and flames and smoke spread very quickly. Plastic burned.
                    Sophia, unlike many security guards and other employees who were the first to leave the floor, acted as expected. She went to the cinema and announced the alarm. No one turned on the light and the film did not stop, but people began to go out. After a few seconds, the girl went out into the corridor and he was already obscured by smoke. The smoke was so dense that it was difficult to see something, but nevertheless, almost all the spectators were taken out of the large hall. Sophia could no longer make her way to the doors of other halls; other controllers were responsible for them. From the hall number 3 people were already independently selected, it was dark and impossible to breathe. Read about this girl
                    https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/4080038.htm
                    l
                    so about the "reptiles" is not necessary.
                    1. nadezhiva
                      nadezhiva 29 March 2018 08: 00
                      +2
                      Hold me seven. I have long read everything. Judging by the publications in the media, every ticketer already opened there in the cinema. And yes, also a girl. Only now, the number of allegedly "openers" (2 ticketers + a girl) is already equal to the number of cinema halls (3). But only 2 were discovered !!!!!! cinema hall. Does nothing bother you? And the kids were "forgotten" to open. Not? Not this way?
                      No need to keep everyone for idiots. There are more questions to the investigation than answers. And to these ticketers - including. It was them in the first place that had to be closed in order to find out: at whose direction they close the cinema halls during the session. And put them NECESSARY, definitely!
                  3. E_V_N
                    E_V_N 29 March 2018 16: 03
                    0
                    Quote: nadezhiva
                    I AM???? Went mind ???? If they had, they tried to close me in the cinema at least 10 times in the last XNUMX years ...

                    Hope, but it struck me that many parents and teachers left the children in the hall and went for a walk in the shopping center, "the cartoon is not interesting for children." How so to leave some children in the hall ??? I understand the grief of the parents of the lost children, but how THEY could go for a walk leaving the small children alone, it does not fit in my head.
                2. Lev Bronsch
                  Lev Bronsch 28 March 2018 21: 57
                  +2
                  Burning plastic and foam is ours, take it easy. But the closed doors to the cinema and their OPENING during a fire is already a clear crime to which a normal person is very unlikely to go, then motivation beyond the limits is needed. As well as burning trampolines with children jumping on them. So could you? me not. And someone could ... And cut down the alarm and close the door and quickly and quickly escape after the deed. So you with your pathos to headquarters, to the bulk. Oh, a miracle, and the bastard’s headquarters is just in the building adjacent to the shopping center. So maybe there to look for those who closes the doors, sets fire to trampolines ??? AND? Maybe you can find there? am
              3. Lev Bronsch
                Lev Bronsch 28 March 2018 21: 31
                +2
                I will add that there is evidence, and in court, the head of the organization serving the engineering systems to turn off the fire alarm 15 minutes before the tragedy. Identity is probably an accident ?? Alas, the diversion is 100%, but apparently recognize the circuit in the wiring. By the way, the testimony of the director of the complex is on TV, where she speaks directly about popping and instantaneous flame in a trampoline, and according to the people who worked there. But she is not an actress, it is clear that she is not lying and is not trying to invent and thus justify herself. Moreover, her guilt is still obvious ...
            3. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 28 March 2018 10: 18
              +3
              Why not one .... opened the doors of the cinema halls? Why were they locked up?
              Because no one was supposed to open them. On these doors were supposed to be electromagnetic locks, which themselves open in case of fire. On a signal from the alarm. Or when the power goes out - they just go into the open position. It should be done by law. Installing such locks is somewhat more expensive than good ordinary ones, but ...
              1. nadezhiva
                nadezhiva 28 March 2018 18: 32
                +1
                Ugh! What does the alarm ???? And if the session ended normally? WHO was supposed to open? Or were they supposed to sit in a closed room for a week?
                1. svd-xnumx
                  svd-xnumx 28 March 2018 19: 58
                  0
                  Ugh! What does the alarm ???? And if the session ended normally? WHO was supposed to open? Or were they supposed to sit in a closed room for a week?
                  Visitors to this shopping center said that after the start of the movie show, a woman checking tickets closed the cinema hall and went to drink tea. Under our market realities, this woman is also difficult to blame, maybe she stayed there on a “watch” all day without lunch or breaks.
                  I haven’t been to the cinema for more than 20 years, but since then, since the beginning of the cinema show, the ticketer had been on duty near the door: I started latecomers, checked again the tickets at the “need” ones. The second door was closed, of course, but I think if she had the keys with her then they could open it within 2-3 minutes.
                  1. Lev Bronsch
                    Lev Bronsch 28 March 2018 21: 37
                    +1
                    That’s why they didn’t go to the cinema for 20 years, why do you argue ... But I go regularly in different cities and regions of the country and nowhere! I haven’t seen closed doors to the cinema, I haven’t seen any “women” anywhere — girls or boys are young everywhere. And they don’t go anywhere far, tea, coffee, cola and other things are always nearby in the movie bar !!
                    So still they will call that geek who closed the doors to the cinema with children and then DIDN’T OPEN !!! Or is it incognito, or cannot the trackers leave in the cold 5-6 people for three days ?? Yes, with the threat that they will do the right thing with them in the right hut !! Or do you think that for the murder, I affirm the murder, 40 children will be given you an honorable place in the cell? They will determine, but it would be better for you to hang yourself ...
                  2. nadezhiva
                    nadezhiva 29 March 2018 08: 07
                    +1
                    Quote: svd-xnumx
                    a woman checking tickets closed a cinema hall and went to drink tea. market realities, this woman is also difficult to blamemaybe she was there on a “watch” all day hanging around without lunch or breaks.
                    I haven’t gone to the cinema for more than 20 years, but earlier we had a ticket operator on duty near the door from the beginning of the show: I started latecomers, checked again the tickets at the “need” ones. The second door was certainly closed, but I think if she had the keys with her, then they could open it within 2 -3 minutes.
                    Do you have a brain? Can you imagine that the anesthetist giving the patient anesthesia will leave "drinking tea" ??? This is a job! And nobody cares about anybody’s wishlist. If you want to leave, look for a substitute who will carry out your duties for you. The ticket must be closed. Not even under house arrest. There are a lot of questions to them!
              2. Lev Bronsch
                Lev Bronsch 28 March 2018 22: 05
                +5
                Sorry for this. But I regularly cinema halls, and I visit different regions in different regions, and I have never seen closed doors ANYWHERE. I don’t know what kind of locks there, but the doors are open everywhere - a fact. Just if the movie doesn’t like, I’m leaving without waiting for the end of the session, and everywhere, just everywhere the doors are open. And in Kemerovo, here's a miracle, "accidentally" with the children closed. But I don’t believe in miracles, but I completely believe in criminal acts. And I also believe in hatred of us and our children from the side of “non-brothers”. How are they broadcasting "Colorado larvae" ???
                Just think, how did this telephone geek in Ukraine know about the beginning of such a strong fire, about the alleged number of victims, the telephone numbers of the Ministry of Emergencies, the local morgues? Yes, it needs to be planned for 2-3 days - calls, text, credibility. And in three minutes he “realized” everything. And I think that I knew in advance, prepared and worked in coordination with the arsonists. Actually the only way to explain the story with the crest of "prank"
            4. Semen1972
              Semen1972 28 March 2018 17: 04
              +2
              Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
              And Putin is responsible for what is happening in the country.

              How does he answer, will resign ??
            5. E_V_N
              E_V_N 29 March 2018 15: 50
              +2
              Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
              Why not one .... opened the doors of the cinema halls? Why were they locked up?

              In the USSR, too, the doors were locked at the sessions, but the cinema halls were built according to the standard architecture 2 entrance doors from the lobby of the cinema, were locked outside, and 4-6 doors on the side walls were locked with a LATCH or HOOK from the inside of the hall and went directly onto the street. Therefore, people could leave the room on their own even during the session.
              Now the entrance and exit is through the same doors in the lobby of the cinema, and the hooks are not feng shui. And the fact that such a design is fire hazard "modern specially trained" does not even occur.
              You go to any cinema and see with your own eyes what will happen in case of fire and how you will get out of the hall and from the cinema.
              Recently I went to the cinema with my family, the building is old, but it was remade so that 90% of the audience would burn in it in case of an emergency.
        2. Mih1974
          Mih1974 28 March 2018 14: 28
          +9
          They’ll dismiss such a “principled” to hell, at my last job (design institute), they hired (as I was on staff) such a dismissed “fireman”. At first, he didn’t really react to him, he was very meticulous, corrosive, he wanted to introduce him in different ways. And then, after talking, I realized - a principled and correct person. For which he was fired from fire supervision.
          No, they didn’t give him a full guide, but at least (which I remember very much) in each office where more than 5 people worked, they put a red vertical wooden column into which they put a fire extinguisher good . Somehow I examined him on the back of my head - unlike all other offices, he was clearly in good condition, charged, Attorney good and NOT expired good good .
          And yes - at that time we really cleared the passages to the emergency exits and left only the outer door closed (the men will take out one thing then).
          So a system has been created in the Country - which throws out such principled and, most importantly, Honest people. negative am
    2. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 28 March 2018 07: 39
      +12
      Xs, in my opinion, while only employees will be punished, the situation will not be fundamentally corrected. An employee, starting with the director, and ending with the guards and cleaners, in the vast majority of cases, will do what is beneficial to the owner, the owner. Otherwise, he will simply fly out of work. And we will be honest, for the owner, ensuring security is not in the first place. Profit comes first.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 28 March 2018 07: 48
        +16
        You all seem to have written correctly, but you started from the wrong end, IMHO.
        And where are the "controllers," mom, the "organs"? Worked for your pocket? Well, let them sit down now, for a long time and with the appropriate publicity. It will be disgraceful to others.
        The wolf ("owner") cannot be weaned from eating meat (making a profit). But to limit appetite and put on a leash with a planer - it’s quite possible for yourself. And need yes
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 28 March 2018 07: 53
          +20
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          And where are the "controllers," mom, the "organs"? Worked for your pocket?

          Since January 1 of 2007, the state fire supervision authorities have been deprived of the authority to supervise fire safety in the design, construction, reconstruction and commissioning of all capital construction facilities, without exception. Meanwhile, the owner and tenant are not interested in investing in the safety of their facilities. And then they “went too far” with the 294-federal law. If from the very beginning the legislator aimed to facilitate the activities of the most vulnerable layers of entrepreneurship - small and medium-sized enterprises, nowadays, the “monsters” of business are actually protected, these are large trading, wholesale markets and enterprises. Moreover, further liberalization of the legislation takes place. The so-called independent fire risk assessment is actively being introduced into the field of fire safety. Many proven shopping malls have independent risk assessment findings. The specified document does not allow the state fire control authorities to carry out scheduled and unscheduled inspections during 3 years. In the shopping center "Winter Cherry" MORE THAN TWO YEARS planned inspections were not carried out to monitor the elimination of previously identified violations, since in July 2015 the State Duma adopted, approved by the Federation Council and signed by the President of the Russian Federation federal law No.246-ФЗ, which provides, with a view to optimizing, reducing costs and increasing efficiency, the introduction of risk oriented approach in the implementation of state control (supervision) and municipal control, and according to which a three-year BAN to conduct scheduled inspections in relation to small businesses. Meanwhile, it is obvious that the desire to reduce the number of inspections of small and medium-sized businesses cannot be the same for all types of control and supervision. When inspecting the bodies of state fire supervision, there should not be any temporary or other restrictions, as this leads to tragedies, as in Kemerovo. Watch the video in the article, on it Minister Puchkov is trying for 2 minutes to explain to the guarantor the situation with the liberalization of legislation, but mistakenly says “tax holidays” instead of “supervisory holidays”.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 28 March 2018 10: 14
            +5
            Understood thanks.
          2. mar4047083
            mar4047083 28 March 2018 13: 18
            +8
            The only sane comment. At first, the law was passed upon the president’s filing, and then he asks why it was implemented. This moment also struck me.
          3. Koshak
            Koshak 29 March 2018 17: 29
            0
            Is a four-story building now a "small" business? A lot, probably, I had to pay for such a classification, saving on security.
        2. rkkasa xnumx
          rkkasa xnumx 28 March 2018 08: 22
          0
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          And where are the "controllers," mom, the "organs"?

          What kind of mom? Wake up, go.
        3. AA17
          AA17 28 March 2018 11: 13
          +6
          Dear, Golovan Jack (Roman). Unfortunately, the regulatory authorities will not be able to control EVERYTHING. As long as there is a concept of profit, all costs that affect profit are always minimized, even if it concerns the safety of people. Alas, this is capitalism. His ideology: You die today, I die tomorrow. Man to man is a wolf.
          On this occasion, M.L. Khazin said well: “... The tragedy in Kemerovo again raised a fundamentally important question. Namely, to what extent the concept of liberal privatization is compatible with the normal existence of society. The point is that the essence of liberal privatization is that the official who turned out to be the controller of some asset (it can be state property or some kind of managerial potential, or just the right to sign, without which something is invalid) not only has the right, but must profit from it ... "
          P.S. Thomas Joseph Dunning: “... Capital avoids noise and abuse and is distinguished by a fearful nature.” This is true, but it is not all true. Capital is afraid of lack of profit or too little profit, as nature is afraid of emptiness. But if there is enough profit, capital becomes bold.Ensure 10 percent, and capital agrees to any use, at 20 percent it becomes lively, at 50 percent it is positively ready to break its head, at 100 percent it violates all human laws, at 300 percent there is no such crime, which he would not have risked, at least under pain of the gallows ... "
          1. Mih1974
            Mih1974 28 March 2018 14: 41
            +2
            You write nonsense, just liberalism of the West in the person of the Insurance system and huge claims of the victims and led to the fact that there is no longer possible. inspector of the state, and the insurance inspector will ask you ALL the points from the last decimal point and only then issue a recommendation for insurance !! Because here there are two Greed, one owner, the second Insurance and how much to decide the insurance - this is to the benefit of ordinary people. good
            There is no need to call a businessman to conscience or scare him with a camera - you just have to beat him in the most “sore spot” in Karman !! good
            1. AA17
              AA17 28 March 2018 18: 04
              +1
              Dear, Mih1974 (Mikhail). You say: "... two Greed, one owner, the second Insurance ... collide." But you will not be happy if your relatives die, even if they give you big insurance for them (let it be - a lot of money). What good are ordinary people for us? MONEY DOES NOT REPLACE LOSS.
          2. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 28 March 2018 18: 11
            +6
            Quote: AA17
            As long as there is a concept of profit, all costs that affect profit are always minimized, even if it concerns the safety of people. Alas, this is capitalism.

            Tell this, for example, to the people of Israel. There capitalism and evil Arabs in addition.
            Entertainment centers are also there. yes
            Quote: AA17
            On this occasion, M.L. Khazin said well ...

            ... enough.
            That is why I do not like full-time critics of the authorities - they have everything according to the proverb about the "lousy and the bath."
            For any, I note, occasion.
            Quote: AA17
            P.S. Thomas Joseph Dunning ...

            ... enough.
            Already pulled up with a phrase about 300%, that a useful thread would say better, perhaps ...
        4. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 28 March 2018 17: 56
          +2
          Novel,
          hi
          What’s called, I’m taking off my hat, in tribute, as practically the only one who dared to answer this “Herbarium - 2”, and the others who tore the vest on his chest in the election race, proving here with foam at the mouth that Putin should leave, and strawberry the billionaire is ready to replace him ....
          The same personalities now mock the memory of the deceased, especially children, when on the day of national mourning, the same slogans and chants were repeated word-for-word that sounded on the Maidan in October-November of 2013.
          Good luck to you!
          drinks
      2. Mih1974
        Mih1974 28 March 2018 14: 34
        +4
        Good news about radio Russia said "let's introduce pensions at the expense of the owner of the relatives of the victims, and for a long time. And if for this it will be necessary to ruin and strip the owner of the thread - so be it !!". Here I support, the true owner of the shopping center lives in Aavstralia, and here he is given a chic life - they violate the laws that are paid for by the lives of children negative . He and other businesses turn out to be full - well, according to the court, he could bring such a lawsuit against him that he would have no money left for his underpants! Select and sell ALL !! And the money in the account at the Treasury with monthly payments to relatives. No, this will not bring the children back, it will force other owners (I don’t write the owner because the Owners take care so that they don’t burn anything), to come up to meeting the safety requirements of people so that - then they don’t have to sell the "kidneys".
        Here they give us an example of the West - they say everything is fine with them there. with safety, wide stairs and instructions prohibit "drying cats in the microwave." Do you think this is TAM about love in people? FUCK THERE am This is all they got only after a lot of millions of claims from victims !! That is, only BABL (fear of his loss) can be forced to "not save" on the safety of people.
      3. Semen1972
        Semen1972 28 March 2018 17: 08
        +1
        And we will be honest, for the owner, ensuring security is not in the first place. Profit comes first.

        Nonsense is complete, the owner risks freedom with non-compliance with security, this is in addition to the fact that the business suffers huge losses. Do you think airlines benefit when planes fall than they are in the air? No, safety and profit are closely related.
      4. Lev Bronsch
        Lev Bronsch 28 March 2018 21: 44
        0
        But what, the guard who did not give the alarm signal and the first to escape was the innocent lamb ?? And that (that) geek who closed the doors to the cinema with children, and then did NOT OPEN worthy lives ??? Ahhh, somewhere I heard it - there was time, it was all Hitler giving orders, but we just followed ... And I think that to find these nonhumans - security guards, cinema hall employees and other people running fast from the fire, and even SHOOT THEM publicly . I’m sure that their colleagues will start observing the instructions so well and meticulously that we will simply forget about fires in public places for 50 years !!!
  2. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 28 March 2018 06: 19
    +15
    Dear authors. Yes, there were really injured people at the rally, they were used by the guys from the “Busoter” category. Everything was clearly planned for human misfortune. Most are young people, who are they? And yet. We have grief in the city, and experts, bloggers of all stripes, different actors, not knowing the realities, write everything and give out, well, “not quite true.” The initiative group after checking verified the data from official sources. And in the group there was also a person who lost his children in this tragedy. The habit of people "but give us quicker culprits and all the data in real time" is not correct. The truth does not like speed. Another fire center is not eliminated, and people demand data on the victims accurate ... They are told that the search and rescue did not end yet, but they do not care. Understanding the relatives, I don’t understand the rotozees of all levels. The work on the site is also considerable. The resources and resources are enormous. And the leadership of the city and region provide real assistance to the victims, I emphasize the real. The eternal memory of the dead. Today is the first funeral in our city.
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 28 March 2018 10: 08
      0
      astronom1973n (Sergey) Today, 06:19 New
      "Everything was clearly planned on human misfortune."
      I do not like all this. Too many coincidences and presidential elections. Who won with such a loud result.
      ... And the "violinist on the roof" .. sorry in London ..
      And the next din (empty as always in terms of productivity. But terrifying) of all non-Russian media in Russia ..
      And bloggers just surpassed themselves in version ...
      We look at one of them ...
      https://catmotya.blogspot.com/
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 28 March 2018 14: 47
        +3
        Nonsense. Everyone forgot why we react so much !!! fool We have that for a long time people did not die en masse? This year it was already the same, only here - the Children were burned alive !!! This is what makes this tragedy so significant for 98% of Russia's population. Therefore, I believe that this was not a planned sabotage, because it is hardly possible to guess so that the children would be locked up in the cinema and that they would not be saved.
        But here is what started - it is already directed and "picked up on time." Forgive the FSB and counterintelligence should work to the full !! am Even if these "actors", bloggers or anyone who has lost fear there, rammed funnels at night at night, but they will begin to exterminate them physically. For albeit in small steps, but clearly decided in 6 years to completely discredit Putin as the "idea" of the revival of Russia.
  3. Moore
    Moore 28 March 2018 06: 45
    +8
    I rarely agree with the authors, but now I will subscribe to almost every word.
    I will add only.
    They were very respectful of Tuleyev, and - somehow respect for that ... evaporated.

    Man is outdated in every sense of the word. Yes, condolences to him about the death of a relative. But honor must be known. That's just the President’s phrase when answering a question of activists like "Is it time to ask Tuleyev?" “Tuleyev is not the mayor.” What, again, the principle of "do not give up"? And they are their own, Comrade Commander-in-Chief ??
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 28 March 2018 07: 11
      +8
      Quote: Moore
      And they are their own, Comrade Commander-in-Chief ??

      this question can be attributed to so many people from his team. That's just there is no answer to this question.
      The annual solution of economic and social issues in the forums says that the state machine works with difficulty. Therefore, the people expect only from Putin to solve their life problems
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 28 March 2018 10: 02
        +9
        Tickets, security guards, general maintenance personnel - are they also a state machine?
        That is, all those who are nearby are the same as us. Who should have simply fulfilled their duties, without heroism.
        But of course we will scream that Putin and his team are to blame.
        Our traditional egregious gouging in half with discussions about the fate of the country.
        Everyone knows how to lead correctly, the government must all - and it does not work to fulfill their own elementary responsibilities.
        How much the officials are guilty of a separate issue, the investigation understands. But the door locked with a key by a simple conditional aunt Masha - this is definitely fault, and even what.
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 28 March 2018 07: 26
      +14
      Quote: Moore
      Tuleyev - not the mayor

      What is wrong with this phrase? The mayor is the very "captain" of the city who is really "responsible for everything."
      There was just one clown here recently, which Putin was trying to appoint as such, and got as a result of the wort.
      So here, once again - the mayor is responsible for a specific city (and a specific mess in this city). Point.
      Huber, President - they have different areas of responsibility, and the level of detail is different.
      It’s not their business to catch every fire inspector "by the pocket".
      Disprove yes
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 28 March 2018 07: 39
        +7
        I’m not Moore, and I’m not going to refute it, but I want to note that the mayor at that time reassured “200 Busoters.”
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 28 March 2018 07: 44
          +10
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Fuck me and not moore

          I am in the know, welcome hi
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          the mayor at that time reassured "200 Busoters."

          That is, he was in his place at that moment.
          And about the task of "ensuring the security" of everything and everything - I can say a lot ... just it's not worth it.
          When I see a package forgotten in an electric train (it’s not clear why) or a bag (even more incomprehensible) and people who walk around quietly / sit around, I remember how, for example, the same applies in Israel ... heaven and earth request
          It is necessary to fight for 50+ years, constantly go under threat in order to establish normal security.
          Although, given the local sloppiness the mentality - perhaps a hundred years - is not enough.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 28 March 2018 07: 50
            +2
            Hello. The fact of the matter is that the mayor was in place, and Putin was rubbing about two hundred people, and the rest was "beee, meee ..". Well at least besieged the one who ran into the teacher. You would think she would have kicked the door.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 28 March 2018 08: 00
            +2
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            given the local slovenliness of mentality - perhaps a hundred years - is not enough.

            My neighbor kindled on me, beneath me. He called fire extinguishers while they arrived, pulled out a neighbor, put out the sofa, came home, and began to smoke in the window. So they yelled at me, and even shouted that I went down the fire escape. belay
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 28 March 2018 08: 10
        +4
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        There was just one clown here recently, which Putin was trying to appoint as such, and got as a result of the wort.

        What are you talking about, Kisa? Are you able to give someone a tinsel? winkThe complex of power has long been described by G. Klimov.
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Huber, President - they have different areas of responsibility, and the level of detail is different.
        It’s not their business to catch every fire inspector "by the pocket".

        Their business is to organize the right vertical of power. Do you think Tuleyev is not aware of the system for transferring envelopes with a “darling” upward? Or do you seriously think. that he is not aware of the kickbacks for obtaining various permissions? And if he is in the know, then resigned to the fact that part of these kickbacks does not reach him? Do not be naive Kitty.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 28 March 2018 09: 52
          +8
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          ... pussycat ...

          Osiaif you decided to shut me up, then you have chosen a tree that is clearly not according to your beak (s) wink
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Do you think Tuleyev is not in the know ...? Or do you seriously think. what...?

          I do not think so.
          I think that every specific, ahem, functionary should know that his wrong actions (and inaction - too) can lead to very specific troubles for him personally. And all.
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Are you able to give someone a tinsel?

          You know ... quite. My dog ​​and I are subtly similar laughing
          However - where did you get it, what exactly did you get from me? There isn’t such a thing ... getting old, the teeth have become dull ... Osia yes
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 28 March 2018 10: 06
            +4
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            then the tree was clearly chosen not according to your beak (s)

            Kisa, do you associate yourself with a tree? belay Progress is evident! good
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            I think that every specific, ahem, functionary should know
            Finally, Kitty, our thoughts coincided - this is how the entire power vertical should be built.
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            My dog ​​and I are subtly similar

            You sometimes scare me .... bully
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 28 March 2018 11: 02
              +6
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Kisa, do you associate yourself with a tree?

              Yes, if you do not mind the simultaneous association of you with a woodpecker wink
              Everything for you, practically ... Osia laughing
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              our thoughts coincided - this is how the whole power vertical should be built

              Duc is the alphabet ... if you have all the "thoughts" at the same level, then you are definitely that ... well, see above, in short.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 28 March 2018 11: 16
                +1
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Yes, if you do not mind the simultaneous association of you with a woodpecker

                Though you call a pot, just do not plant in the stove. laughing Although, if you look at it, your associative series concerns only you and your imagination. Are these side effects of love with hamsters in childhood?
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                I loved hamsters as a child
                wassat I myself do not refer to ornithology, nor to the plant world. Nomosapiens I am Kisa, that is, man.
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Duc is the alphabet ... if you have all the "thoughts" at the same level, then you are definitely that ... well, see above, in short.

                So if you think logically, then you are the same -
                see above.
                Thoughts then coincided! wink
          2. APIS
            APIS 28 March 2018 10: 56
            +7
            Quote: Golovan Jack

            I think that every specific, ahem, functionary should know that his wrong actions (and inaction - too) can lead to very specific troubles for him personally. And all.

            And doesn’t you remember one particular red-haired functionary who signed the acceptance certificate of the unfinished Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station?
            And who was appointed to blame in the end?
            Irrepressible lysiputting leads to blindness and amnesia.
        2. Mestny
          Mestny 28 March 2018 10: 19
          +1
          What does a security guard who turned off a fire alarm have to do with "envelopes with a dolly"?
          1. your1970
            your1970 28 March 2018 11: 29
            +2
            here the main thing is to shout, “Everyone’s bought !!!”, you don’t have to delve into it, that besides the owner’s general condition of the teaching staff, there’s also the fault of specific small persons: security guards, animators, etc.
      3. Moore
        Moore 28 March 2018 09: 10
        +3
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        What is wrong with this phrase?

        Everything is so in the phrase. Your Cap Evidence. "She drowned" (C)
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        So here, once again - the mayor is responsible for a specific city (and a specific mess in this city). Point.

        Do you think in Novokuznetsk, for example, is everything OK in this regard? Ah, the mayor is there too. And the mayors are already over the mayor Putin, bypassing the governor, right?
        By your logic, then the mayor is not to blame, but the unknown bureaucrat is unknown to anyone, his subordinate, responsible for what the HZ is for.
        Yes, and what is the area of ​​responsibility of the governor, if not for the order in ALL BY YOUR SUBJECT OF THE FEDERATION?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 28 March 2018 09: 57
          +6
          Quote: Moore
          And the mayors are already over the head of Putin, bypassing guber, right?

          Yah? I did not know, I did not know ... IMHO chasing ...
          Quote: Moore
          By your logic, then the mayor is not to blame

          Not this way.
          Quote: Moore
          and what is the area of ​​responsibility of the governor

          Wider than the measure. Narrower than that of the President.
          Moreover, each "narrower" area of ​​responsibility is more ... deeper and more specific (in terms of duties, responsibilities etc) than the "wider" one.
          Do not make me teach you the alphabet here, please ...
          1. Moore
            Moore 28 March 2018 12: 24
            +2
            1. Argumentation in your words did not see. "Oh well" does not count.
            2. I do not think that you have succeeded in teaching me anything, for see item 1.
            Regarding the responsibility of officials. It doesn’t happen that if an emergency was in a platoon, they would not have been bombed by the company, battalion commander and regiment commander. And do not give a damn about the narrowness or breadth of their responsibility and the rich inner world. Telling me that this is not an army is not necessary. The vertical is identical.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 28 March 2018 13: 57
              +6
              Quote: Moore
              1 ... 2 ...

              I have no task of teaching you the alphabet.
              Quote: Moore
              Regarding the responsibility of officials. Telling me that this is not an army is not necessary. The vertical is identical.

              No.
              Quote: Moore
              ... don't give a damn about the narrowness or breadth of their responsibility ...

              It’s possible for the division commander. But Moscow will not pull anyone because of the "platoon incident" - stopudovo.
              That is, there are borders of responsibility in the army, right?
              So your
              Quote: Moore
              What, again, the principle of "do not give up"? And they are their own, Comrade Commander-in-Chief ??

              IMHO too much. All hi
              1. Moore
                Moore 28 March 2018 15: 16
                +1
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                I have no task of teaching you the alphabet.

                I have no task to teach you that there is nothing to teach me, but I have to.
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                It’s possible for the division commander. But Moscow will not pull anyone because of the "platoon incident" - stopudovo.

                I definitely need to tell you that the regiment relates to the division commander, like a governor with the president? Or recall how the MO responds to fatal incidents in platoons?
                Yes, that's all. Boring.
      4. realist
        realist 28 March 2018 09: 18
        +9
        fire inspectors are not subordinate to the mayor, they are in the Ministry of Emergencies, only the janitors are subordinate to the mayor - is there a lot of garbage in the streets in Kemerovo? the police, the prosecutor’s office, the investigative committee, this is also not to the mayor, past .......
        even management companies are not subordinate to the mayor - they are all private, limited liability companies.
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    1. seos
      seos 28 March 2018 08: 15
      +6
      But they would choose strawberries .....
      1. Moore
        Moore 28 March 2018 09: 25
        +8
        Quote: seos
        But they would choose strawberries .....

        But if Ksyusha or Ololesha ...
        Here is the beautiful from her:
        Most safety rules, fire instructions, sanitary and epidemiological surveillance requirements should be simplified to the point of cancellation, and the responsibility of entrepreneurs and manufacturers should lie in the field of administrative or criminal liability, and in the field of civil liability
      2. Shurale
        Shurale 28 March 2018 09: 52
        +6
        I don’t know how the strawberry election would end. But I know how Putin’s rule will end.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 28 March 2018 11: 08
          +7
          Quote: Shurale
          But I know how Putin’s rule will end.

          So you definitely won’t be killed.
          And do not sell the elephant either request
    2. Ural resident
      Ural resident 28 March 2018 11: 22
      +3
      Probably it was necessary for Grudinin, or for whom? - while I understand all the disasters in our country stopped immediately and forever, from the word at all.
  6. meGrail
    meGrail 28 March 2018 07: 54
    +2
    The author started for health, and ended up on a percentage of bribes to the Ministry of Emergency Situations, other builders checking the rollback, obviously trying to make ONLY the switchmen to blame.
    Have you ever been, dear, ever in a state of wild stress, which people get into during emergency situations? I'm not trying to bleach people who could, but did not save people, but you, dear, you know that after 2, but only two sighs of such smoke, a person simply faints? People simply controlled the animal instinct to survive! Moreover, it is an honor to those who in such a situation could save their neighbor!
    The People’s Court needs to judge all those who checked for money, who gave them that money, those who knew, but turned a blind eye to it!
    Every bureaucrat in court!
    1. domokl
      domokl 28 March 2018 08: 57
      +8
      And why didn’t the animal instinct work for those mentioned in the article? Why did humanity win? And in the peasant who pushed a child out of Kamaz a couple of years ago, the animal did not take over human? Or in those soldiers that caused a fire on themselves in Syria?
      Maybe everything is easier? People need to know the order of actions in this situation. People, elementary, should have flashlights ...
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 28 March 2018 10: 35
        +2
        Even the firemen did not go to the fourth floor. Here are such flashlights ...
        1. goblin xnumx
          goblin xnumx 28 March 2018 20: 42
          +1
          remember the corpses in Kazan and in Moscow with the collapse of the roof apparently ...
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 28 March 2018 20: 54
            +1
            There is a video in MK TV, where they are explained with the relatives of the victims. All their arguments - a strong smoke, acted according to the instructions. Saved as they could.
    2. realist
      realist 28 March 2018 09: 13
      +2
      What is the kickback to the builders? what are you laughing at? builders pay bribes where suddenly a question is not otherwise solved. but problems encountered during operation are usually not related to the actions of builders, take a word to the builder from 1989, and to the chairman of the housing cooperative from 2003 to 2009
    3. AUL
      AUL 28 March 2018 09: 46
      0
      The People’s Court needs to judge all those who checked for money, who gave them that money, those who knew, but turned a blind eye to it!
      Until there is a REAL responsibility of officials (and not switchmen) for their actions (inaction), the situation will not change! In this case, Putin absolutely rightly said that you won’t get any permission without money, but any money! So the struggle must be started from this, punish cruelly for corruption and bribes!
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 28 March 2018 11: 19
        +6
        Quote: AUL
        So the struggle must be started from this, punish cruelly for corruption and bribes!

        Vasilyeva’s example showed no struggle. The plantings of governors, etc., disseminated on a box, by people, are not perceived as a systemic fight against corruption. Moreover, almost all trials in this regard end in nothing.
  7. seos
    seos 28 March 2018 08: 14
    +2
    Liberalism kills people .... for a place to live by law, businessmen demand more liberal rights ... and kill people ... the same situation as with Hawthorn ...
    More liberalism = more deaths ...
    The author did not name the main culprit - the owner of the building, on whose behalf the fire inspector was given bribes and negotiations were held ... who ordered the fire-hazardous finish ...
  8. Click
    Click 28 March 2018 08: 16
    +3
    I wrote yesterday about the resignation of the government! Where is the false leader, is he an iPhone? Puchkov why Putin rubbed such dregs? I uploaded a photo where, under the guise of a victim, they put an employee of the National Guard and brought the GDP to him! Isn't this Putin’s fraud team? I do not blame the president, but we must already work on cleaning the cabinet !!! The people are waiting for action !!!
  9. Skarpzd
    Skarpzd 28 March 2018 08: 19
    +3
    Quote: Moore
    I rarely agree with the authors, but now I will subscribe to almost every word.
    I will add only.
    They were very respectful of Tuleyev, and - somehow respect for that ... evaporated.

    Man is outdated in every sense of the word. Yes, condolences to him about the death of a relative. But honor must be known. That's just the President’s phrase when answering a question of activists like "Is it time to ask Tuleyev?" “Tuleyev is not the mayor.”

    never a supporter of either Tuleyev or Putin. but technically Tuleyev is really not a mayor.
    1. realist
      realist 28 March 2018 09: 09
      +2
      and what to ask from the mayor? everything was fine at the time of the building’s acceptance, and the fire exits were open on paper and the alarm worked, and during operation the state supervision (included in the Ministry of Emergency Situations) monitors this, well, maybe the prosecutor’s office and Rostekhnadzor but again not the owner and not the mayor ......
  10. oracul
    oracul 28 March 2018 08: 37
    +3
    In my opinion, the problems of what is happening are as follows: a) the state has almost completely abandoned its role as a regulator in the economy, referring to its market nature: this is complete nonsense and does not understand the essence of market relations and the place of the state in them; b) people enthusiastically declaring that they are liberals, simply do not understand what they are talking about; liberalism is attractive only to individuals, since a certain personal freedom is taken as the basis, but at the same time it is hushed up from what it is - this freedom. It turns out that everything is quite simple - entrepreneurs need freedom from the "dictatorship of the state", although in reality it is an attempt to remove the control function in management, without which this management is a zerk; Liberal officials in power need freedom from responsibility for their actions - irresponsibility and corruption. Today, the governance system in the country at all levels is crowded with people who profess liberalism, but do not understand its essence, that the liberal management style objectively leads to bankruptcy. And, most importantly, the liberals did not even understand that it was they who were in power under Yeltsin, and some are still they. largely destroyed the country's economy, propagated irresponsibility and corruption, fraud and theft on a large scale. And it is they who fiercely resist the restoration of order in the country.
  11. realist
    realist 28 March 2018 09: 05
    +3
    In all the shopping and entertainment centers of the country the same thing happens, the question of when and where the thunder will strike about the mistakes of the builders I would not. there is a project developed according to state standards and passed state examination - even if there are errors in it, the builders are not to blame. at the time of construction, they could mess up, for example, what the aluminum composite is called on the outside of the building, it is in fact all combustible and can not be used in such buildings, but there are manufacturers who receive a certificate of conformity for the fact that there is a non-combustible automatic transmission - guess how they do it? and this can already be sculpted ....
    finishing materials - a separate song, I know only one non-combustible finishing material, this is cement plaster with chalk coloring, everything else flowed in one way or another or burns or emits such a bouquet when heated that you die ..... did you see such a finish in shopping centers? me neither . heaters almost all burn (except for expanded clay concrete and foam concrete) but there are documents a hundred they are not combustible - stone wool! much needs to be changed in the regulatory documentation, the approach to the organization of evacuation routes, and in the materials used. builders themselves in practice do not replace materials, use what is written in the project, and sometimes they write something like that — you want to cry. and the main problems begin during operation, then the warning system does not work, then the smoke detectors do not see smoke, then the sprinkler fire extinguishing system does not work (which means that there is no water in it), then the fire exits from the building are either locked or blocked and cannot be passed.
    I don’t rule out the builders at all (steel structures should be protected, plastered or painted with special compounds - I’m not sure what it was), but this is possible only in collusion with the customer and the Ministry of Emergency Situations, so they shouldn’t be put into operation ... my understanding in such buildings, the frame and floors should be made of reinforced concrete. unlike steel, it is much better, holds the heat longer and does not lose its bearing capacity. Honestly, even with proper processing, it is better than metal that resists fire ...
    the situation is nasty, you need to understand this, but fixable, it’s just that all activities will cost money. we need to decide what we want and make the necessary decisions. Of course, I don’t see everything on TV, it’s more visible on the spot, but this is my opinion based on the available information.
    the key point is officials! make a decision on the standards used in the design, certification of materials, acceptance of finished buildings into operation, supervision of proper operation - all this rests with honest, not corrupt officials !!!!!!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 28 March 2018 11: 51
      0
      Quote: realist
      I know only one non-combustible finishing material, this is chalk coated cement plaster

      What about gypsum plaster? belay
      P.S. For the rest, I agree.
      1. realist
        realist 28 March 2018 17: 01
        +1
        the gypsum itself does not burn, but on the outside it has paper, and it is native and burns, and the gypsum dry crumbles, it was visible in the videos from the Kemerovo-empty wall frames that were previously sheathed with gypsum plaster.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 28 March 2018 17: 52
          +1
          Quote: realist
          the gypsum itself does not burn, but on the outside it has paper

          Sash - I'm talking about plaster (Rotband, Volma, etc.), and not about drywall. By the way, it is very often used now in construction. hi
          1. realist
            realist 28 March 2018 18: 16
            +2
            the plaster (dry mixes) doesn’t seem to burn, but of course I will check and report on occasion. GCR is a very popular material, greatly reduces the complexity of finishing and increases the speed of work.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 28 March 2018 20: 18
              +1
              Quote: realist
              but of course on occasion I’ll check and report

              Do not strain - I know for sure.
              Quote: realist
              GCR is a very popular material, greatly reduces the complexity of finishing and increases the speed of work.

              This is yes, that is, that is. But fire safety drops to zero. request The funniest thing. that with plasterboard partitions they manage to put fireproof doors, supposedly in order to comply with TB.
              1. realist
                realist 29 March 2018 12: 58
                +1
                I saw such a fortel in the year 16, the doors hold 40 minutes of flame on one side, and around the GCR ....
    2. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 28 March 2018 21: 51
      0
      install a sprinkler in stores- where it’s full of electrics — you’d better just turn on the phone’s charging immediately if you turn on the phone — there will be less damage to people ... but you obviously didn’t hear about increasing the fire resistance of gypsum plasterboard constructions in 2–3 layers, because your gypsum plasterboard gasoline ... because it is not cement ...
      1. realist
        realist 29 March 2018 13: 05
        +1
        the fire extinguishing system was designed and installed, it was shown on TV. the question is why they put it there, but it's not for me! apparently you can’t trade electronics there, or you need to turn off the electricity before turning on the system. increasing the fire resistance of metal structures is possible in various ways, including GKL (just the plaster is more reliable in my opinion), but what I saw on the frames from the burnt-out mall-glk or plaster there was not, which led to the loss of the bearing capacity of the metal elements of the building.
        Did I answer all questions or miss something? want to prick - I ask, I'm thick-skinned and cynical!
  12. srha
    srha 28 March 2018 09: 10
    +3
    That's right. But the main thing is not. Where are the people? Why is he "baptized only after thunder"?
    I will try to explain.
    The authorities themselves do not want to work for "society." Only constant popular pressure makes her work in the interests of society, and not her own. And one election is clearly not enough for such pressure.
    Now for the details.
    The security system from Soviet times (well, where you can get away from it) turned out to be much cut off in the interests of profit. But in every eatery, especially in centers, there should be brightly visible evacuation plans, and not advertising clogging everything. And the people themselves should bother the administration and the authorities with such questions - the matter of your safety is first of all your business (you are in your markets, where do your children go to check this out ?!).
    And you can’t replace prevention with punishments, and the punishment system doesn’t work normally Do not believe me? Check, for example, find out what is wrong with the lame horse.
    But you still have to periodically carry out full practical exercises on evacuation - did you participate in at least one (not at work), just to understand what you need to do in such a situation? And to make them not only necessary but also attractive - elementary (yes, combine with discounts and advertise).
    1. your1970
      your1970 28 March 2018 11: 45
      +2
      Quote: srha
      do you believe? Check, for example, find out what is wrong with the lame horse.

      And? What is wrong with the culprits?
      as far as I understand, they are sitting (for whom the terms have not ended and who did not fall under the amnesty)
      "Eight people have been prosecuted: cafe co-founder Anatoly Zak, executive director Svetlana Efremova, art director Oleg Fetkulov - charged with a crime under part 3 of article 238 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Pyrotechnic show organizers Igor and Sergey Derbenev - according to article 218 of the Criminal Code Former Russian Federation Perm Fire Prevention Inspector Vladimir Mukhutdinov under Article 285 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, State Fire Supervision Inspectors in the Perm Region Dmitry Roslyakov and Natalya Prokopyeva under Part 3 of Article 293 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Accused Konstantin Mrykhin is put on the international wanted list.
      At the end of April 2013, the court pronounced the verdict guilty:
      Club owner Anatoly Zack received 9 years 10 months in a general regime colony.
      Club Executive Director Svetlana Efremova - four years in a general regime colony.
      Art Director of Lame Horse Oleg Fetkulov - six years in a general regime colony.
      Sergey and Igor Derbenevs, father and son, employees of Pyrotsvet Pyrotechnic LLC, are five and four years and 10 months of a general regime colony, respectively.
      Inspector Dmitry Roslyakov sentenced to five years in prison in a penal colony for negligence, an employee of the same department Natalya Prokopyeva received four years in a penal colony (they are forbidden to hold government posts for three years).
      The former head of the State Fire Supervision of the Perm Territory Vladimir Mukhutdinov court released from prison by imposing a fine.
      Igor Derbenev was released from punishment on the basis of the decision of the State Duma "On declaring amnesty in connection with the 70th anniversary of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945" at the end of July 2015, and Sergey Derbenev - in September of that year. "
  13. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 28 March 2018 09: 10
    +2
    Of course it will happen again. "Lame horse" how much was enough? Now a year maximum firefighters will not take bribes, and then it will continue ... It will cease, it will be forgotten ... There will again be some kind of "Winter Horse" ...
    1. AUL
      AUL 28 March 2018 10: 17
      +3
      Do you think they won’t? wassat On the contrary, they will now find fault with all the nuances that without a bribe it will not be possible to obtain permission from them, but the size of the bribe will increase by a factor (like, at risk), and you will have to persuade to take it ... As with traffic cops.
      1. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 28 March 2018 12: 45
        +1
        Now they will be afraid and demand the fulfillment of the airbag. There is nothing critical and impossible. It's just too lazy for the owners to maintain a normal state, for this a specialist is needed!
  14. Blue fox
    Blue fox 28 March 2018 09: 14
    +5
    Unfortunately, the repetition of such tragedies will surely be and it is just around the corner. This is due to the lack of a strict regulator in the face of the law, reasonable technical standards and regulatory organizations with serious powers. I’ll give a simple example that each of us sees every evening and morning in his yard or in the nearest town - narrow driveways between houses (and in residential buildings we now only have a bald line, from shops to saunas), which are difficult a garbage truck may squeeze through, but it is unlikely that a fire truck will be able to, and yet the same ladder still needs outriggers to push it somewhere. And the reason is not negligence, examination and construction supervision, as well as those who sign acts on the acceptance of houses with such passages, act exclusively in the legal field dictated by the established standards, but the regulations do not provide for a yard clogged with residents' cars, and it is randomly clogged. There is only one way out, to change the norms, to install barriers that prevent improper parking and provide for the evacuation of the car and a substantial fine, as in many countries, for example, a car parked at a fire hydrant is evacuated.
    If we talk about reducing oppression against entrepreneurs, it would be better to give them tax relief for several years, but at the same time tightly control that institutions with a large stay of people are equipped with a decent and reliable fire alarm, fire extinguishing and smoke removal system, and the staff is trained.
    But you must not forget about yourself, do not park at the evacuation and emergency exits, do not block the entrance to the courtyard with your car so that others need to go around it in 15 receptions, do not park on the sidewalks above the fire hydrants, do not arrange in your house in niches with valves of the smoke exhaust system of home junk storages, but in the end do not smoke in any nook of a business center, factory, office, etc. what triggers the fire alarm so that the guards who do not give a damn about all the instructions do not turn off the fire alarm, get tired of running around and find out the reason.
    1. your1970
      your1970 28 March 2018 11: 54
      0
      Quote: Blue Fox
      and provide for the evacuation of the car and a substantial fine, as in many countries, for example, a car parked at a fire hydrant is evacuated.
      - how much time, for example, will be evacuated 20 cars from the Moscow yard? and how many 100 from the yard of the "Ship" (gut 15 driveway of Soviet times) of ours?
      1. Blue fox
        Blue fox 28 March 2018 22: 05
        0
        Why 20 cars? If the penalty for such a parking is over 30-50 tyr., Imbeciles will be not 20, but 2.
        1. your1970
          your1970 29 March 2018 08: 43
          0
          Quote: Blue Fox
          Why 20 cars? If the penalty for such a parking is over 30-50 tyr., Imbeciles will be not 20, but 2.
          - right now I have a writ of execution for 5 thousand, only it is impossible to recover them - unemployed, 3 children, disabled wife
          You at least set a "100500" fine ....
          1. Blue fox
            Blue fox 29 March 2018 09: 44
            +1
            I doubt wildly that your landcruiser is standing by the fire hydrant in these situations.
            And I'm not going to install anything, calm down.
            1. your1970
              your1970 29 March 2018 11: 51
              0
              Quote: Blue Fox
              I doubt wildly that your landcruiser is standing by the fire hydrant in these situations.
              And I'm not going to install anything, calm down.
              - you didn’t catch it: we fined a natural person, passed the order to the bailiffs, and the person is not able to recover anything from him ...
              1. Blue fox
                Blue fox 29 March 2018 13: 08
                0
                https://www.tourister.ru/world/america/united-sta
                tes / region / california / tips / 3686
                In the part of the articles where fines are overdue.
    2. realist
      realist 28 March 2018 17: 09
      +1
      Soviet regulations did not stipulate that people would buy 2 cars per family, and the width of the driveways and the parking area are calculated according to the norm of “70 cars per 1000 inhabitants”, but you might want to change this too (say Luzhkov required 2 parking spaces for an apartment in business class houses in Moscow and the Sobyanin in Tyumen introduced the same norm - in Tyumen on the street near the house cars are parked only by city guests, the rest are in underground parking lots)
      1. your1970
        your1970 28 March 2018 17: 46
        0
        you can want anything — for example, I want a lamborghini — but there is one thing: I have poor roads and there is no sense in it ..
        and in the examples you cited ...
        1. realist
          realist 29 March 2018 13: 08
          0
          deviation from the requirements, in this case the tightening of standards, in my opinion is quite reasonable. 12 kilowatts of electricity should come to my apartment, it seems to me that this is not enough - but the energy supply company does not sign the contract anymore, I want to buy, but they do not give me! why?
  15. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 28 March 2018 09: 31
    +7
    In some ways, the authors are right, in some ways not. There was a tragedy. A terrible tragedy. And probably there is a certain sense to take a break before clarifying all the circumstances that led to the tragedy, and not to impose our own point of view as the only correct one. Does Tuleyev look and act differently than the authors would like?
    They were very respectful of Tuleyev, and - somehow respect for that ... evaporated.
    So, Tuleyev also killed an 11-year-old relative in this fire, and he, just as humanly, can survive the death of a loved one. It is not necessary to divide the dead children into the children of citizens and children related to Tuleyev.
    Why do the authors unequivocally reject the option of a terrorist attack? In the neighboring Krasnoyarsk Territory, the Krasnoyarsk Jamaat was literally liquidated yesterday. And if during the investigation it still turns out that it was a terrorist attack, then what? The authors simply turn the page, and move on to write their own "truth". Maybe you don’t have to run ahead of the engine and wait for the official results of the investigation? I believe that it is not correct to play on the emotions of people immediately after the tragedy, because it is during this period that people are most prone to disruption, which can be used by certain forces with unseemly goals. Think about what Kemerovo wrote, which, unlike the authors, is located at the place of the tragedy.
    Quote: astronom1973n
    Dear authors.Yes, there were really injured people at the rally, guys from the “buzoter” category took advantage of them. Everything was clearly planned for human misfortune. Most are young people, who are they? And more.We have grief in our city, and experts, bloggers of all stripes, different actors, not knowing the realities, write everything and give out, well, "not quite the truth.“The initiative group after checking verified the official sources. And the group included a person who lost his children in this tragedy. People’s habit of“ give us faster culprits and all the data in real time ”is not correct. The truth does not like speed. the fire site has not been eliminated, and the people demand accurate information about the victims ... They are told that the search and rescue services have not ended yet, but they don’t care. Understanding relatives, I don’t understand rotozeys of all levels.A lot of work is being done on the spot. Enormous forces and means have been attracted. And the leadership of the city and the region are providing real assistance to the victims, I emphasize the real one.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 28 March 2018 11: 27
      +7
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      Does Tuleyev look and act differently than the authors would like?

      in fact, humanly, Tuleyev had to go out to people and ask for forgiveness, like Admiral Popov.
      But Tuleyev asked for forgiveness from Putin, that’s whom he serves and reports. And the people for him b-d-dlo, the "Busoters." He can no longer walk to the conflagration on foot, how can it be without a retinue! This is such a vertical! I do not think other governors are an exception.
      Therefore, people hate their governors, the Duma, etc., and see protection only with Putin, although this vertical is the brainchild of Putin.
      Therefore, without any doubt, everything will happen again. Why did our people become infected with indifference? Maybe because the power itself, but the people themselves?
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 28 March 2018 20: 28
        +2
        Quote: Silvestr
        actually, humanly, Tuleyev had to go out to people and ask for forgiveness

        I repeat - Tuleyev also killed an 11-year-old relative in this fire. You yourself (God forbid) buried your children or the children of your relatives? Not? He is also on the side of people who have lost loved ones. So what is your moral right to condemn a person (then the governor) in such a situation? In addition, during this period, some mentally retarded representatives of urkaina dispersed a panic in Kemerovo, throwing false information about hundreds of dead. Surely this information was reported to Tuleyev and, by virtue of his authority, he was obliged to find out the true state of affairs before the president arrived. Do not judge, but you will not be judged.
        Quote: Silvestr
        Therefore, without any doubt, everything will happen again. Why did our people become infected with indifference? Maybe because the power itself, but the people themselves?

        No one is safe from the fire. This happens all over the world regardless of power and political structure, but the notorious human factor, negligence and irresponsibility are always and always present.
        France: 1970 - fire, 146 people died. Great Britain 1973 - 51 people, USA 1976 - 165 people, USA Chicago 2003 - 21 people, USA Rod Alent 2003 - 100 people, USA Orlando 2016 - 51 people, Japan Osaka-1972-118 people, Spain Madrid -1983-82 people, China Fuxin 1994 -234 people, China Luoyang 2000 -309 people, Argentina 2004 -194 people, Brazil Santa Maria 2013 -242 people. Romania Bucharest 2015 - 60 people. Russia Perm 2009 - 115 people.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 28 March 2018 23: 05
          +4
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          He is also on the side of people who have lost loved ones.

          this mayor and vice governor were among the people.
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          So what moral right do you have to judge

          morality can be dictated by one who observes morality. For example, Admiral Popov, Vice Governor Tsilitin.
          But Tuleyev insulted the relatives of the victims, it was not for him to talk about morality.
          Before you become a defense, look at what is available. I saw enough yesterday
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 28 March 2018 23: 27
            +1
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            He is also on the side of people who have lost loved ones.
            this mayor and vice governor were among the people.
            Logic is a disaster. A flag of sympathies was chosen, or are you really living in a foreign land? How is everything started there, if people start talking in patterns, stop thinking and cannot catch the semantic difference between “on the side of people who have lost loved ones” and “were among people”? request
  16. BAI
    BAI 28 March 2018 10: 05
    +5
    The authors did not note the third side of the issue - the technical one. There were already similar tragedies - the shopping center in Kazan burned down, 17 people died, and the same "Lame Horse". The buildings do not have natural light, and emergency lighting either does not or does not work. Watch the video of events - immediately after the fire, the lights went out and the premises were in absolute darkness. Who will be saved here? Moreover, conclusions were drawn abroad - our office building was built according to your design — not only are there corridors through with windows at the ends - there is always natural light, but the cabinet doors are made of frosted heat-resistant glass (firefighters say they keep it for 15 minutes) is also optional lighting in any situation. And all shopping centers are combustible boxes without windows. Plus, the fire trucks and ambulances that are always loaded with vehicles will not drive up to the building. The use of cheap, but fire hazardous insulation. And after all, this all complies with some standards, someone approves the project documentation and gives permission for the construction.
    1. realist
      realist 28 March 2018 17: 12
      +1
      that's it ! everything built meets the standards! and built according to the drawings - right! but it happens smoothly only on paper, in fact, many norms do not correspond to the time, it is necessary to change!
  17. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 28 March 2018 10: 16
    +5
    The fact that Putin flew to Kemerovo is weighty. Gives hope for relative order and justice. Although not all statements come to everyone's taste. Some irritation is felt.
    With all due respect to the authors, the article is simply an unsuccessful attempt to get the “main” out of under the blow! And the problem here is precisely that Putin himself flew to Kemerovo! The president for 18 years of government has not created a system that would not require personal participation !!! And she can’t do it in 6 years !!! But because the very vector of Russia's development does not imply the creation of such and similar systems. This vector is called: American-style liberal capitalism. This is the main complaint against Putin, and by no means chips with the captains of the ships.
    And yes, disasters will continue. Alas! But for many here it should be taken as an axiom and not to complain, they themselves voted for Putin.
    1. your1970
      your1970 28 March 2018 11: 58
      +3
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      The liberal capitalism of the American type.
      - i.e. Was everything in the USSR a bunch? "Russia" didn’t burn? "Nakhimov" didn’t drown? Was there no Chernobyl? and so on?
      That was not all of this under socialism, right?
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 28 March 2018 16: 42
        +4
        There is no such mess as it is now! And the responsibility was quite tough.
        1. your1970
          your1970 28 March 2018 17: 43
          +1
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          There is no such mess as it is now! And the responsibility was quite tough.

          yeah ...
          20 1982 October, the
          At the end of the match between Spartak Moscow and the Dutch Haarlem in the 1/16 UEFA Cup final at the Lenin Central Stadium, the worst tragedy in the history of Soviet sports erupted, but the players who were on the field did not even suspect it. Ours learned only the next day from the coach, the Dutch - like most, after 7 years, which plunged them into shock. 66 Spartak fans, most teenagers and youths from 14 to 19 years.
          17 February 1982 year
          The worst accident in the history of the Moscow metro occurred at Aviamotornaya in the evening rush hour, when people began to return from work. 8 people were killed in a crush, 30 were injured, and some were disabled.
          1934
          In 1934, the Soviet Railways happened 61 142 accidents and wrecks in which 6832 steam locomotives and 65 304 wagons were broken or damaged. The main causes of train accidents and crashes in 1934 were train breaks and self-disconnects (21 crashes and accidents), closed semaphores (265), derailment of trains (3847), taking a train on a busy track (3225) and train collisions (2313 crashes and accidents).
          1972
          July 26 - crash at the station Lamenskaya (Tyumen region) due to the reception of a passenger train on the track occupied by the freight train. The clash killed 58 people and injured 16.
          and so on, on, on, on .....
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 29 March 2018 08: 42
            +1
            Now compare the time periods through which tragedies like the Winter Cherry during the USSR occurred and the time periods of the tragedies that are happening now.
            By the way, you can link to the first tragedy with Spartak fans, to me for general self-development.
            1. your1970
              your1970 29 March 2018 11: 58
              0
              1) I have already cited statistics, if it’s interesting to score, disasters in the USSR (by type of railway / air / ships / fires / ...) will be shocked
              for 1981, for example, 310 people died in air crashes in 14 crashes and it’s still possible I haven’t seen everything
              2) I heard about her back in the USSR, by the way, they did not punish anyone and did not put him
              http://www.spartakworld.ru/fans-spartak/10223-tra
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              Z.Y. if we didn’t know, this does not mean that this was not ...
              Now every iron is screaming about any emergency ..
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 29 March 2018 16: 19
                0
                Why are you my friend w .. pu with your finger that even out! Compare the USSR and Russia. Neither in terms of population nor territory! Feel free to divide by at least 3.
      2. realist
        realist 28 March 2018 17: 17
        +2
        emergencies cannot be prevented, but sometimes you can play it safe and sometimes there is no chance. it is necessary to use the available chances of salvation correctly - fire exits should not be locked, and there should be water in the fire extinguishing system, the booster pumps should work, even if in manual mode!
    2. realist
      realist 29 March 2018 13: 10
      +1
      a control system cannot be created when not smart people sit on key posts, but their own, here they’re mowing their own ..... and the main one is going to razrulit .....
  18. Opera
    Opera 28 March 2018 10: 18
    +4
    Quote: Tatar 174
    If you did this to me, then I always did it and got a hat for it even from the relevant ministry. Therefore, there are no awards or other papers commendable and others there, and finalized until retirement. I have always been told the same thing, which is what I most need. Therefore, I am writing here that he was and is indifferent and could not stand the outrages and irresponsibility.

    I fully support you! We need to look more at ourselves. On their actions in general and the performance of their official duties in particular. It just so happened that we quickly find switchmen! There is no one to blame for such terrible tragedies! This is a collective "creativity"! Someone reacted negligently, they told someone - you need what most, do not care at all, scared someone - you'll fly out of work you will be clever, someone will not think about safety at all, someone will get scared, someone will close their eyes, someone will I saw everything but decided not to conflict with the authorities, someone took the money ... But we are all with you! There were others, those who saved their children not sparingly, those who saved themselves but returned to save others and died ... And this is us too! Awful grief! Even writing is hard. I just want to say that, by and large, regardless of external factors, every person in the morning opens his eyes, he lives this day and makes certain decisions ... The community of these seemingly small decisions of many people sometimes leads to such results!
    And here's what else I would like to tell you about, speaking of security guards, closed emergency exits, etc. We have many federal laws in which the right things would seem to be written ... But sometimes, one Federal Law comes into clear conflict with another Federal Law. There is such a document on fire safety which should be provided in case of emergency all the conditions for the speedy evacuation of people! Those. everything that opens must be opened and it is desirable that everything that prevents people from leaving one or another object must be open and eliminated! Right? Of course it is! But there is another Federal Law governing anti-terrorism security ... Have you thought? So, speaking figuratively, in this case everything is closed and controlled, which can be closed! Visitors should pass through frame metal detectors and turnstiles and this is far from all ... Please recall other tragedies caused by the terrorist attack, what kind of carelessness was discussed then? So, what I want to say is that security must be COMPLEX! The persons responsible for this security and implementing it on the ground should be independent of the leadership of the institution in which the security is carried out. And even greater responsibility is always great authority. Safety is like a dog in the owner’s yard! A good host will provide her with normal conditions and will feed her well. Perhaps the dog will not come in handy throughout life - and thank God! And perhaps one day the life of the whole family will be saved!
  19. akunin
    akunin 28 March 2018 10: 25
    +3
    unfortunately, people died, but the conclusions will not be made (after the "lame horse" they still can’t finish it) until the next time. Today a message flashed on the TV: "conduct checks in shopping and entertainment centers." (I do not remember the text, but with an emphasis on "entertainment"), but just shopping centers where there are "children's" rooms? and where they are not. running and transfusion from empty to empty, will report to the guarantor ... and until next time.
  20. Mestny
    Mestny 28 March 2018 10: 26
    +2
    Quote: Shurale
    By voting for Putin, the people themselves voted to continue the tragedies of the similar Kemerovo. Is it really not clear that the problem of the Kemerovo tragedy is systemic? The main (but not the only) representative of this system is Putin. Will you vote for him again?

    Voted by the people for the worthy development of the country. Are such tragedies possible only with us, and Putin is to blame for them exclusively? Well, nonsense.
    Yours can’t calm down in any way, I understand that it’s such a good opportunity for you to speak out against the authorities.
    Doesn’t it bother you? Conscience does not press?
    Although what conscience is there. One auditorium closes with a key, and children die there. Another fire alarm turns off. That is, committing all the laws, and legal and human crime ..
    But all of them, I am sure, without exception blame all power.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 28 March 2018 11: 30
      +1
      Quote: Mestny
      Are such tragedies possible only with us?

      but in Belarus I didn’t find information about this. And our "box" does not show the "evil grin of capitalism" with such outcomes.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 28 March 2018 11: 50
        +1
        Let's objectively. Fire in London that year. 71 people least. Also ... insulated the building ...
  21. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 28 March 2018 10: 27
    +5
    Arguments supporters of the theory of terrorist attack are killed. In the cinema halls, the doors to the session were closed ... Disrespectful, did you go to the movies for a long time? Ever seen the open doors of the cinema during a session? They are always closed.
    Lies - in a normal movie theater, just do not close! Outside biler is simple. If the viewer in the toilet, for example, pretends - where should he go, put in the corner, or at the curtain? They only cover the doors, and not lock them with a key! And they leave the hall, but they themselves are standing outside so as not to let the free riders. It’s just not a terrorist attack, but a sloppiness of the cinema hall employees, and there’s nothing to carry nonsense about closed doors
  22. Ascetic
    Ascetic 28 March 2018 10: 30
    +5
    As for the attack,
    Currently, the investigation has four versions of the tragedy that occurred in the “Winter Cherry” shopping center: faulty wiring, arson, terrorist act, negligence. As we see, the version of the attack is not unacceptable at the moment and is not excluded by the consequence from the list of causes of the tragedy.
    Closed doors in the cinema is NONSENS. This is either criminal negligence or malicious intent.
    In the event of a fire, in the RIO shopping center the doors to the cinema were opened as in the aquarium, which made it possible to avoid casualties with the exact same mess and negligence of all officials. This happened six months ago, and the conclusions, as we see, were not made either at the level of the Moscow authorities or federal. And how many such fires were there in the Moscow region with mass deaths?
    Ghibli migrant workers, and those who profit from their work and safety are still in chocolate.
    Why is it impossible to exclude the version of intentional arson? Everything is very simple, terrorists are always looking for the most vulnerable places and points where, with the smallest forces and means, to strike with the greatest damaging effect. Moreover, the methods of terrorist attacks are constantly changing. We are now in a state of war and any disorder and negligence must be evaluated according to the laws of wartime. enough to liberalize, it’s time to evaluate the actions of all directly or indirectly not as criminal negligence, which led to the death of people, like sabotage, sabotage or the creation of prerequisites for a terrorist attack, as it was in the era of the unforgettable Joseph Vissarionych, and those to the switchmen will receive the minimum time, the hosts sit for border and everything will return to square one?
    1. gsev
      gsev April 1 2018 00: 40
      0
      Is there a 100% reliable fire safety system in Russia? All systems have a button to turn it off when a failure occurs. She stands for a reason. Friends after the fire checked the status of the alarm in their institution. It turned out that some of the channels were disabled. When trying to turn on, a false alarm appeared instantly. Maybe American sabotage is to force change security systems throughout Russia and increase the budget of enterprises for fire safety. This could hit the economy more than the war in Syria and the Donbass. After that, some enterprises will close, and some will not appear. And the cost of this diversion is a stimulated blogger. Under Stalin, both Tupolev and Korolev and Petlyakov and Vavilov and all Kremlin doctors visited the punished pests.
  23. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 28 March 2018 10: 44
    +3
    For fire safety emergency exits should be open. According to the plans of the antiterror are closed. We compromised. The doors were closed, the key is at the guard. And if the guard failed, or he simply escaped. Who will open these doors in case of fire or just any evacuation? At the door with electronic locks, the business does not spend money and far from everyone has backup power sources.
    A firefighter checks often, it means "nightmares" the business, does not check people die.
    1. akunin
      akunin 28 March 2018 11: 24
      +4
      /// For fire safety, emergency exits must be open. According to the plans of the antiterror are closed. ///
      They faced the same problem - they put electromagnetic locks, from the inside - with a button, from the outside - with a key.
      1. Koshak
        Koshak 29 March 2018 17: 44
        0
        Quote: akunin
        /// For fire safety, emergency exits must be open. According to the plans of the antiterror are closed. ///
        They faced the same problem - they put electromagnetic locks, from the inside - with a button, from the outside - with a key.


        Well, yes, like intercoms in the hallways!
  24. 1536
    1536 28 March 2018 11: 25
    +1
    There is a law in the army: if an emergency happened, then there are those responsible for it, that the emergency happened. And the guilty are responsible in the face of the law. In civil society, if the opposite is true. If an emergency happens - no one is to blame. And when they say that everyone is to blame, it turns out that no one is to blame. They find, of course, the “switchman”, begin to feel sorry for him, sigh, so that “we will never know the truth.” Even firefighters put out the stew, and already from all, literally from all sites, "opinions", suggestions, etc. fell. the words of all and sundry. And who was really not lazy, they started shouting “where is the mourning?”, And even a petition on the American site began to send out “I demand national mourning” (the mind is incomprehensible (!)). One "democrat of the first wave" even agreed to send the President himself to extinguish the fire. (It is not clear why he did not go?). TV and Internet broadcasts live separately. There is nothing in common between them. But in life everything is different. In life, the tragedy with which people were left face to face, with one reliable on the President, his word, his order, on state money. Just like the holy scripture of the apostle Paul: "Earlier and Judea they ask for signs, and the Ellinis seek wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, Judea is the temptation of Judea, and Ellin is madness."
    And every time a tragedy happens, we are faced with the same "decision", as in the template already. And every time the same people brazenly lie in our eyes, hiding behind the crowd, behind the catchy signs of some "parties", behind a pretty appearance. And then everything is forgotten until a new tragedy. Therefore, the question arises: "What about the government?" "And what is business?" Our two pillars, on which we are betting, are Russia moving forward. In this situation, you need to change them too, change right on the march, so that they find a way how there are no such tragedies, it cannot be ruled out, it is hardly possible to at least minimize it so that at least people feel protected not by one person, but by a whole system, state , by law.
    Previously, those who prevented going forward were called renegades, i.e. people who have lost contact with their social environment. And today we have these renegades not only have the right to vote, but they also order music, excuse me, and also with the money of others made on other tragedies.
  25. Opera
    Opera 28 March 2018 11: 40
    +2
    Quote: Mestny
    Doesn’t it bother you? Conscience does not press?
    Although what conscience is there. One auditorium closes with a key, and children die there. Another fire alarm turns off. That is, committing all the laws, and legal and human crime ..
    But all of them, I am sure, without exception blame all power.

    Well, you think about it - to fit into such a terrible tragedy like "not right" voting in the elections !!!!!!! What is the conscience of these individuals ?! What place is it with them ?! After all, they are not encrypted already! Nietzsche’s words are appropriate here - if you look into the abyss for a long time, then the abyss also looks at you! Reading some comments you start to think that this is exactly the voice from the abyss!
  26. Normal ok
    Normal ok 28 March 2018 11: 44
    +2
    It is interesting that due to the tragedy that occurred in Kemerovo, in Odessa (and throughout Ukraine) the checks of the mall began in large numbers. Moreover, many malls themselves have publicly begun reporting on fire safety measures. From some of their statements, an indirect conclusion can be drawn that before they did not particularly pay attention to this.
  27. Sedoy
    Sedoy 28 March 2018 11: 54
    +2
    all the same and all the same ...

    "Those who today are complaining about the situation in the burnt shopping center in Kemerovo (not built, not exploited, not evacuated) do not understand one simple thing: everything was done absolutely right there!
    In full accordance with the concept of liberal privatization. Indeed, within its framework, everyone is responsible for his own security (liberalism!), And government officials must make a profit from their powers. "

  28. your1970
    your1970 28 March 2018 12: 02
    0
    Quote: Oper
    The persons responsible for this security and implementing it on the ground should be independent of the leadership of the institution in which the security is carried out. And even greater responsibility is always great authority. Safety is like a dog in the owner’s yard! A good host will provide her with normal conditions and will feed her well. Perhaps the dog will not come in handy throughout life - and thank God! And perhaps one day the life of the whole family will be saved!

    in the days of the USSR there were several attempts on the body of Lenin - with all the over-protection of the object.
    And the safety-net removed from submission will simply block access - to the store, to the organization, state institution ... everywhere in one word ..
    Not real? Yes, easily ...
    1. Opera
      Opera 28 March 2018 13: 37
      0
      Honestly, I did not understand the essence of what you wrote?
  29. nikvic46
    nikvic46 28 March 2018 12: 09
    +1
    Another bitterness about another state of emergency in Russia. I bow to those people who, at the risk of their lives, threw themselves into the fire,
    saving children. Of course, who is supposed to deal with the culprits of this terrible tragedy. Thinking about terror, I still mentally return to the number of victims. There is an expression "worse than the enemy." I want the theme of firefighters. Not only are the techniques for
    There isn’t enough salvation. In the photo I see the installation of a fire escape. But in our factory we made cranes with a telescopic boom. Departure is 75 m, load capacity is 25 tons. When the boom is retracted, this crane turns into a regular car. If you lighten this crane and attach a safe cradle at the top. But didn’t fools remove fire pumps in the cities. How many people were injured when firefighters in search of a water column. In Samara, when the ATC was burning,
    hoses pulled through two quarters 58 employees died, the land rest in peace. Try a fire pump in the USA, you’ll go to court.
  30. Overko
    Overko 28 March 2018 12: 12
    +3
    And the window dress from Putin shows the true attitude towards people
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 28 March 2018 12: 36
      +1
      so a medal can get
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 28 March 2018 13: 10
      +5
      So ukrotroll appeared with a fake, which had long been exposed .. Bestiality in one word
      The young man in the photo above is really Alexander Kalachev, a resident of Kemerov born in 1996. He has accounts in VK and instagram. On March 26, he published a post that has now become viral and has collected almost four thousand likes.
      Kalachev hails from the city of Prokopyevsk, Kemerovo region, where his father and brother live. He studies at the Kuzbass State Technical University; he has not yet served in the army. The instagram has several photos of 2016 and 2017, in which he escorts classmates to the army and meets those who have served.


      Previously, Alexander worked as a waiter or bartender in the cafe "Winter Cherry". He has photographs in uniform and with the Winter Cherry badge taken in August 2017.
  31. bubalik
    bubalik 28 March 2018 12: 21
    +1
    The saboteurs are those of the animators who shamefully fled from the trampoline hall and other halls where the children remained.
    ,, what about all one by one?

    Eugene works as a photographer in a company that conducts children's quests. Their site was located in a shopping center, it is closest to the cinema halls. When the fire started, Zhenya was one of the first to notice this. And rushed to where the smoke came from. An amazing combination of circumstances - among the creative props he had a gas mask: Zhenya put it on himself before rushing into the smokescreen. And what served as a “toy” played a saving role. The second coincidence - since Zhenya himself constantly carried out quests, he elementarily knew how to collect children, how to organize and quickly bring them out. Shouting for everyone to go to him, he quickly gathered the children together and led him out of the burning hall, and then down to the saving exits ,,,


    https://www.krsk.kp.ru/daily/26810/3847067/
  32. Lev Bronsch
    Lev Bronsch 28 March 2018 12: 42
    +3
    Authors, wake up !!! It is impossible to draw conclusions on the basis of facts tailored to your wishes! In Teresa May turn (((.
    1. For a month I was at 3 films in the mall and in separate cinemas. Left one (uninteresting) - the doors are open, went to the toilet in other cases - EVERYWHERE THE DOORS ARE IN THE CINEMA OPEN during the session. This is in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Len.oblast ... The question is - where did the dear authors see CLOSED doors, moreover, in several halls at once !!! I wonder if you would be left indoors and set on fire, so that you would say if you were saved ??
    2. Regarding the fire. Of course, I’m not from the Ministry of Emergencies, but - no one disputes the presence of a fire in the trampoline center on the playground. The question is - what kind of wiring there could catch fire if there are only primitive bulbs out of all the electrics? There are no electric motors, any loaded mechanisms, etc. .. There is plastic, mesh, FOAM FOAM !! And many children + 2-3 animators. An ideal place for arson. Ask how? And you give an 11-12 year old kid a flammable object in his hands and tell him to “scare” the girls and friends with a beautiful bright flash, of course, “completely safe”, “you only need to squeeze harder and throw on trampolines” ... Yes, the boys are in line for such a temptation to stand up. Well, what are you, you are an adult, perhaps from the "bulk headquarters", which is located in the next building. HOW do you like this version, eh, authors ?? AU? And pay attention to the speed of flame propagation. I saw smoldering and burning wiring, everything is slowly happening, you have time to call the firefighters and take the measures yourself. This is in an old wooden house !!
    3. I personally encountered closed fire / evac exits. BUT! If one is closed, then the opposite or nearby is EXACTLY OPEN. This is generally a personal experience throughout the country. It is clear that rarely someone from the guards plays suicides, and the bosses there are always overkill. An extremely unlikely event is the closure of all evac exits ..
    The result - the closure of exits from the cinema halls A precisely deliberate sabotage action, ignition in a trampoline is the result of external influence and the closure of all exits is exactly the same sabotage. Well and on trifles - an empty autonomous fire extinguishing system, forced shutdown of a fire alarm, a security guard who escaped immediately from a post and did NOT give a signal anxiety. What is asked then escaped if there is "no fire" ?? am
    The conclusion is a sabotage that has been preparing for several weeks, with a thorough study of general sloppiness in a particular shopping center and with a point-wise intensification of the consequences of a sudden strong fire. The choice of materials for arson - the foam is toxic when burning, closing the doors of cinema halls, closing fire exits, explicitly turning off the fire alarm and preventing the panic button and fire alarm from working.
    If this is not sabotage, then what is sabotage ??? That's about how you need to consider the facts, and not write nonsense on behalf of the authors about "closing the doors of cinema halls throughout the country" - aftirs, have you ever been to the cinema ???
    1. BAI
      BAI 28 March 2018 13: 11
      +1
      Personally faced with closed fire / evac exits. BUT! If one is closed, then the opposite or nearby is EXACTLY OPEN.

      Journalists in Moscow have already checked up to 4 shopping centers.
      Doors in 3 of 4 are closed either tight

      Or a lock, the key (card) from which is located somewhere at the guard or administrator, who, in turn, is also somewhere somewhere, but not near the door.
  33. turbris
    turbris 28 March 2018 12: 57
    +1
    And what about our heroic Ministry of Emergencies? Why could not save people? Something among them there are no victims of the fire fighting and rescue of people, more like the administration, workers and security of the shopping center taking care of themselves? Of course, it is necessary to change the legislation, it is time to end with this irresponsibility, especially with regard to the owners - they must be fully responsible for everything that happens to their property. The owner lives in Russia - these are just taxes, settled abroad - taxes should be completely different. The Ministry of Emergencies should participate in the design, construction and operation of facilities associated with crowds of people. EMERCOM employees should be individually assigned to such facilities and be fully responsible for the fire safety condition, they should be empowered to stop operating such facilities until the identified deficiencies are eliminated, but these employees should also be monitored to identify the corruption component. And of course, the most important thing is that we ourselves must wake up and correctly prioritize our activities, we can’t joke with things like safety.
    1. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 28 March 2018 22: 09
      0
      and you crave news with the corpses of firefighters hike:) well done- and your desire to hang on firefighters a staff member — finally otpad- delirium — and I don’t even want to offend the female horse by comparison with you — such a fireman comes in - he sees a violation at an object like syndik- you- close on everything to the exit :) - will it work for a long time? or at least the whole gets to the house?
      1. turbris
        turbris 30 March 2018 20: 00
        0
        I know only one thing - the only trained people in this situation were firefighters - they are professionals, they were timely informed and arrived on time. Then why could not save people? Why are there so many victims? This means that the forces were not correctly distributed, priority tasks were determined and the situation was incorrectly assessed - illiterate leadership, this is the only conclusion that suggests itself from this situation in Kemerovo. It seems to me or am I wrong?
  34. ibirus
    ibirus 28 March 2018 14: 00
    0
    As long as a person has the opportunity to circumvent the law, he will use it, despite the possible consequences.
  35. lukewarm
    lukewarm 28 March 2018 14: 03
    +2
    Again, condolences to those who have lost loved ones in this hell. Bright memory.
    Fair article, although I would not dismiss the version of the attack. Although the authors do not accept this matter. Everything is "very on time" somehow (forgive me for the inappropriate word): the country is on the verge of war, pressure from the outside with an unprecedented expulsion of diplomats, Mundial Mlyn is about to begin, the elections have passed. Again, the "damned" (the West and our Liberty) won. The smoke has not yet dissipated and the coals have not cooled down, as a rally is going up and posters in the spirit of “all-out” have been prepared, and little people-beacons in the crowd are arranged (see video). Bloggers fell off him. So it could very well be. Another thing is that with the normal work of everything and everyone, this would not have acquired such a tragic scale.
    But from this place more about local characters. The authors chose the line “Tuleyev - it's time to exit” and set the tone for the discussion in the comments. Meanwhile, untouchable business tycoons remain behind the scenes. Who is the boss? How he built it all on the site of the confectionery "without windows without doors is full of people’s room." So no - in the article there are entirely bureaucrats, gouging of a watchman and old Tuleyev. But the mayor "on the spot", the huckster-owner, that sheared the coupons - also in passing. I hope the investigation will take a closer look at it, there will be other sins, there is no business of this level without a skeleton in the closet. And enough ridiculous terms for bigwigs and cunning plans are enough. And then the Ukrainian vaccine from Maidan I see ceases to act on many. So do not provoke, gentlemen with money, and civil servants fed by them! Life shows that the patient dies from such a “treatment”
  36. ruivit1988
    ruivit1988 28 March 2018 15: 58
    +2
    About ten minutes ago he was cursing with his sister about the fact that three hundred people allegedly died. It bothered me that she was convincing me that they were lying on the telly, they were lying in the interventionists. But the guy on the video "blogger" from her point of view is not a blogger, here he is and people like him from classmates are the most honest people! Moreover, she immediately pissed that someone saw something as kamaz brought corpses, even the bags were missing. Emotions screams, you don’t understand what people witnesses say !!! And I immediately had a terrible thought, because there are millions of people who prefer to believe nonsense incomprehensible, rather than at least just calm down and wait for the outcome of the investigation. Only then talk about how many died, how much they dug this truth or not. It was as if the people of Suma had gone, replaced their brains with incomprehensible characters and reposts in wattsap.
  37. Kosmotoga
    Kosmotoga 28 March 2018 19: 54
    0
    sometimes people are afraid to choose another governor because in the regions often nothing is known about the other candidates, there are no debates or programs at all, there’s nothing but rare advertising on the squares and that’s all. Here, they choose to be afraid, as if it weren’t worse.
  38. SEER
    SEER 28 March 2018 22: 08
    +3
    Comments have not read, I say right away.
    From my experience. Moscow. One of the largest districts of Moscow.
    A large shopping center is being built. All systems are delivered, tested and working.
    The emissary from the "firefighters" declares 1 million, not rubles, for approval. Two weeks of unsuccessful negotiations.
    The owner takes an unprecedented step - openly declares that the one who "agrees" will receive from 50 to 100 k. $.
    Two days later, everything is agreed ....

    One more example. a shopping center is also being built. Work is ongoing around the clock. When almost everything is ready, some officials say that "there is no permit documentation," "everything was built illegally" ...
    These officials are quickly announced very quickly - who will believe that you have not noticed such a massive construction?
    All approvals, retroactively, of course, were made ....
    But! It is in these cases with security and fire extinguishing systems that everything is very good. well - customers / builders sane people turned out to be.
    These are the pies with kittens ...
  39. Jerk
    Jerk 29 March 2018 01: 50
    0
    There is such an enemy - called human stupidity. He studied at RUDN University himself and saw the bars on the windows of the first floor of the hostel. And in 2003, a fire broke out in one of them - and there were dozens of corpses because of these bars. And it’s not necessary to blame those who “extend the envelope to the inspector”, who did it ?! Dormitory Commander? Do not heal!
    And the question is these fire inspectors. who went to the dorms and saw these bars - which of them is sitting now? Who?!
  40. Vasiliy Uza
    Vasiliy Uza 29 March 2018 04: 51
    +1
    it’s not clear what the authors of the article wanted to express ... did the president come? it should be noted that he is trying to see everything with his own eyes, is that bad ?, there were a lot of people at the rally, but then, at first, about a hundred of them gathered spontaneously, and under the slogans “where is the power !!” “why do nothing!”, and we grieve over people took advantage ... did you analyze how this rally was formed? what stuffs were on the network? ... I am inclined to think that the article is provocative ... the authors ... be prudent if you want to help an objective investigation, lay out the facts and those involved in this tragedy, from security guards to owners ... then you will find the answers to your questions, and according to the results of the investigation we will judge ... Condolences to the relatives of the victims ...
  41. stylet
    stylet 30 March 2018 05: 40
    0
    I often go to the cinema and to the theater and concert hall. Never locked. Yes, the doors are closed so that the light does not penetrate, but not on the key !!! Children may want to use the toilet - what should they knock on the door? What kind of orders do you close the door and sit next to the key. It does not occur to your child to leave one in the cinema or in the playground - they will take by the hand and lead away, then look for them, fistulas. Who will protect your child except you? Alien aunt? Right now! God saves man, who save himself. The first rule of a rational egoist is to take care of yourself, do not shift the care of yourself to others!
  42. maai
    maai 30 March 2018 14: 52
    +1
    I did not want to get into this topic, but what really burned out.
    And therefore the tragedy of Kemerov, as before Kazan and Perm, in ..
    Have you forgotten about Volokolamsk? Or there are not many die, but only shorten life.!
    The TV is silent on this topic, and people are tormented. Nah ... we don’t need modern garbage processing plants .. we, in the sense of you, don’t stink !?
    And you didn’t have such a thing that there’s nothing to breathe, all the nerves to hell and everything hurts, but nowhere to run? I understand that, and you !?
    And saboteurs have nothing to do with it.
    Yeah! Just criminal greed, saving and neglecting human lives, yes !? After all, the worst punishment is a change of job, why be afraid?
    From negligence to sabotage - a tiny little step.
    What about the President !? He directly says - "we are on the way to decriminalize economic crimes !!!" Give a link to the video !? On: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7L7cuK3O3Q&f
    eature = youtu.be & t = 300
    At the root of all crimes lies the economic component, profit. But this is - bullshit !? Yes!?
    This is a good signal to everyone. From Putin to an entrepreneur.
    Such signals are annually and not the first year. Something not to see conclusions this year either. Especially in the midst of a "Scumbag business." Breaking the law - should be many times more expensive than not observing it! Notification system not working? We close the entire shopping complex to eliminate deficiencies and the point. Immediately there are funds for repairs. If inspectors abuse powers, then it is not necessary to reduce the number of inspections, but to fight against the vile elements in their ranks of which there are few.
    Putin has a signal that he has only 6 years to understand:
    He had 15 years - understand! Every year the country burns and is flooded ... has not yet made any conclusions !? Not doper? Why? Can’t organize subordinates? Why? Do not care? Why?
    the people on the ground are not his people.
    And from what does this conclusion follow? From what he says one thing, and they do another? This is called populism! And from this completely different conclusions follow.
    They are for themselves and for their shirt. But they are afraid of him. Until. And strong.
    The first is true - for yourself. The second is nonsense, because when they are afraid, then the orders are completed on time. Or they just do it, and most importantly - they work proactively and independently, and not according to the instructions for every little thing. This is not observed. Maybe the President will come to my yard and see how guest workers work and clean the snow? A touching sight, an indicative industriousness and expenditure of budget funds for this shit. Sobyanin, "the coming labor will save Russia." I want to clean the snow myself. I and three other people from neighboring houses. The rest is up to the bulb.

    No, you don’t have to "build anyone" come to us yourself. President and decide all the petty, but far-reaching shit yourself. Yeah! You can’t build a working system, well, at least come yourself.

    In the USSR, patrols walked the streets, and now in some century a patrol will take place on the street once or twice, the only conclusion is that someone was killed again.
    So they play catch-up. First, emergency, and then general checks on damping. And so we live in a moronic sinusoid.
    Are you very afraid? Yes ... except for the hype and the need to crawl to the new place under the guise of.
    And the children roasted alive! Living children turned into charred firebrands.
    Well you and! Divorced writers of publicists. Just to say that people have died a terrible death is not enough? It is necessary to imitate an artistic gift !? For a red word !? ...
    And saboteurs have nothing to do with it.
    How much do you know? They won’t tell you and don’t understand? If in itself this is possible, but it is possible, then with direct intent and even more so and in much larger sizes! Everything has already "rotted" and does not collapse completely by pure chance.
    And Putin too.
    The head is responsible for everything. It is she who appoints the government, governors and more. Everything else is populism and disability.
    Or maybe it's all a screen. For the oligarchs and liberal authorities, there are many fools of them. Not going to the polls and not seeing beyond their nose. I wonder what kind of party voted for example Volokolamsk in last year’s election? AND?

    At the Irtysh Ministry of Emergencies (or whoever is) the ice exploded. As they say "only 600 kg of TNT"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZAKYUEGWhE
    No beeps or safety precautions. Nothing! Who should have built these fools along the chain, eh?
    It’s good that the glass didn’t stick in anyone’s neck, but it could stick in and it’s necessary to plant for it, and not wait when it sticks.
    We ourselves are killing ours tomorrow in the name of today's ghostly preferences.
    Not We, but You! Well, or they!
  43. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur April 1 2018 03: 52
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    Will there be such tragedies? I will be sure. And not because of bad power or good, but because there is such a thing as mentality. Russian "maybe" and do not care. You can’t get away from this. Plus, the realities of a market economy are greed. Lenin wrote that the capitalist will commit any crime if he is promised a profit of 300%. All this is observed in the tragedy in Kemerovo. In addition, the situation is aggravated by the very good Russian legislation. Let's see if anyone is to blame and what will happen to him. Most likely, if they find they will get off with public censure or a short term and then conditionally.
  44. Height
    Height April 2 2018 21: 34
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    Do not remind about the physical laws of a person who was doused with boiling water. You yourself know where he will send you.
    They say time heals. But, there is also an opinion that time does not heal, but simply the problem goes to the subconscious level, and there is no pain!
    In some ways, Sigmud Freud was right ...