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We are with you, Kemerovo!

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Today is a national day of mourning in Russia. And on such a day it is difficult to stand aside, it is difficult to restrain emotions about the grief that literally fell upon compatriots in Kemerovo. The main questions are the same that tormented more than one generation: Who is to blame? and what to do?

To begin with, on the talk shows in which the same speakers on the topic of poisoned Skripale “revolve” every day, the same thought is sucked on all sides: how is it that the British authorities groundlessly accused Russia of poisoning? diplomats, without bothering to wait at least the preliminary stages of the investigation.

Experts in the studio, shouting over each other, declare that we need “an immediate response to the London lawlessness”, offering all sorts of options, including a kind of “joking” on the air of TVC “There is a country - there is a problem, no country - there is no problem”. Not only experts, but also ordinary citizens, are indignant, also demanding to “deal” with London. It seems that everything is explicable, but ...

Indeed, at the same time, many of those who are demanding “apologies” from Britain declare that they must immediately and strictly respond to Kemerovo’s tragedy: from “dismiss everyone” to “put them on a stake.” It is noteworthy that the investigation into a nightmarish incident with dozens of carried away human lives has just begun, and there is not only preliminary investigation data, but also the most important facts that would allow at least some intermediate conclusions. There are only scraps of evidence that often have nothing to do with reality.

And this does not prevent one hotheads from generating overt fakes, others blindly believing in them, and the third, on the basis of this black lie, also built on human sorrow, to demand "immediate executions." Clearly, the emotions of people are overwhelmed, but it is also clear that there are forces for which any tragedy in Russia is an extra reason for neoliberal fuss, for savoring each episode with some sort of medical shade with inner “inspiration”.

Here are some of the most surprising in their filth fake publications, which in a certain sense excited a considerable percentage of users.
First - prank from the Ukrainian Yevgeny Volnov, who, posing as an EMERCOM employee, called the morgues in Kemerovo and announced “more than 300 dead”. Morgue workers were perplexed, horrified, but they had to take their word for it - after all, the CAM from the Emergencies Ministry was calling. Who is he and where, in such a situation, of course, no one has figured out. From here, I went for a walk and a fake that the dead were not 60, not 70 and not 100, but “more than three hundred”.

The second - “the officer’s daughter”, who, as we know, is not so simple, “saw” with her own eyes, as the Zimnyaya Chery shopping and entertainment center emergency services officers “store hundreds of corpses without taking them out of the building, as Tuleyev ordered everyone shut up. This “officer's daughter” decided that “more than three hundred” is no longer impressive, and therefore issued “more than 450”. In this video shows photos from the Odessa House of Trade Unions. Of the hundreds of comments to this dirty fake, only a few users took a sober look at the situation, inquiring, and then the “daughter of the officer” used video footage that had nothing to do with Kemerovo? The videos are “links” to the husband of a friend’s sister, father-in-law of the best school friend, who all, as one, report “a shortage of bags for corpses, unwilling bodies, hundreds of fresh graves at the cemetery”.

People, come to your senses already! You are PEOPLE, and if the special mantra that the dead are “ten times more than the number of voiced figures,” delivers some special pleasure, is it not a mental disorder? That is, if the death toll near 70, then this "little"? Is it necessary to heighten the resonance to be surrounded by other values ​​taken from the ceiling? Or if 70, then for “this is Putin's fault!” Is somehow not enough, and if “more than 300”, will it work? So what? ..

Here, truly, God is a judge of these people ...

Now, in fact, to the tragedy itself. Something beyond that happened - dozens of people died, including children. They died in peacetime, at the weekend. The grief of relatives is immense. The death of children is terrible in itself.

We are with you, Kemerovo!


But it’s also terrible that this is far from an isolated case in recent years. "Lame horse", a fire in a psycho-neurological boarding school in the village of Alfyorovka, Voronezh region, other nightmarish incidents with a large number of deaths in smoke and fire.

The cause of the onset of a fire is a ignited wiring from a short circuit, a non-extinguished cigarette butt, a random spark during technical or repair work (the investigation will figure it out) —in fact, by and large, it does not change. And this essence is that responsibility in our country, and this is hardly a secret for someone, is close to zero: from the janitor to the representative of the federal government. According to the pieces of paper, we always have everything in common: the janitor swept so many square meters of territory at the rate of man-metro-rubles; the head held so many meetings, of which visiting so many and so many. All the signatures in the papers are, the papers themselves are beautifully hemmed, put up in folders - check how much you will get. The task of some is to engage in fraud before the inspection bodies, the task of the inspection bodies is to “rub the glasses” on those who stand above them. And the task of the superiors is to become complacent in that what is written in the papers is what it really is. For go into details - who wants to, you can go to yourself ...

So it turns out that the fire alarm in the shopping center did not work for the reason that it should not have worked, because it was “reflashed” repeatedly, so that “it did not give out false signals”. It is also quieter, but it is just because the fire brigade is trying to drive around the city ...
The ticket theater clerk could, according to the RF IC, lock the door so that adolescents without the ticket could not enter the session. After all, it depends on the number of free riders how much the owner of the cinema will deduct for the month.

The parking was forced so that people literally had to carry out the cars blocking the entrance for ambulance and fire brigades.

The doors of the emergency exits were blocked so that “no one was hurt.”

Inspection of fire supervision in the shopping center "previously worked," but "did not reveal serious violations. And the truth is, and what kind of violations can there be, if the building of the end of 60's construction, which looks modern thanks to tons of plastic, was originally a factory, which clever people went bankrupt and purchased for commercial projects (an anthill) with huge super profits. Labyrinths of corridors in which, as eyewitnesses say, it is easy to get lost even in a normal situation, not to mention an emergency one.

Inspection at the end of last year, of course, reported to the officials about the inspection, saying that, even if there are violations, they, of course, are not critical - fire extinguishers are in place, fire hydrants too. But why there was no water in them, as well as specialists in the mall who could apply them at least for a while, now hardly anyone will answer.
The real owner himself is increasingly overseas. Well, not in the cold Kemerovo live for him, in fact. Money can be withdrawn across the border - without difficulty. Taxes in Russia? - Well, except with a minimum salary, because the business is “strangled with checks”.

The mayor resigned, the governor resigned, all resigned ...

Only one question: is it different in other regions? Where to find those who have everything great not only on paper but also in practice? Yes, we have to confess, total irresponsibility in almost all directions. Pour asphalt into a puddle - and ... and so it will come down, then all the same money from the budget will be given - we will repair the “dry” road, but for now it is necessary to report to the end of the month. The bosses have a report - great! .. And the fact that the next day on the “repaired road” someone left the suspension doesn’t care.

Instead of three bags of cement, the technology is possible and two - one more, one less - nothing to worry ...

Build a stadium (cosmodrome, hospital, kindergarten) in time? It's possible. But only there, how to say it, you need more 10 billions, so that you probably have time.

To come to work “after yesterday’s” and take a nap in the corner - but what ... well, everyone will understand - the person went over a bit, is there any reason for a negative? ..

Go to the meeting room and discuss all the bills because the people elected you? It seems yes, but “we are not iron” - and if we are “in the regions” - let others discuss for us what kind of fire safety measures to take there, in which segment to toughen the punishment.

To defend national interests everywhere? As if yes, but international law says that it is necessary “to be suppressed”, that we will answer the day after tomorrow, we are above it, what if they take and lift their sanctions ...

That's the problem. It is systemic. It cannot be solved by the appointment of a switchman, by landing from the series (to put it mildly) “on the back”. It can not be solved by specific dismissal. This is something that requires constant, systematic work, without breaks, weekends and holidays. Without self-withdrawal and artificially lowering the responsibility of each in his workplace.

PS After the tragedy in Kuzbass, unscheduled fire safety inspections began throughout the country. And this is another, sorry tradition. A little bit of that is a boiling up of controllers of all stripes, in order to demonstrate - they say, now we take everything under control for sure.

Prescriptions, fines, courts, dismissals. But it takes a year or two or three, and the trouble repeats. Unfortunately, the great ... And again there will be orders, dismissals, courts and, possibly, real terms. But will “Winter Cherry” be the last of its kind to be the embodiment of irresponsibility? - an open question.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 28 March 2018 05: 43
    +28
    Lord, may you rest them all in peace! ...
    Condolences to all those affected by this grief. And it really touched the hearts of millions of people in Russia.
    The death in the subway, the victims of numerous air crashes, burned and suffocated in nursing homes and entertainment facilities, drowned with "Bulgaria" ... and most of the slackness and money from someone else's blood. Well, aren’t we really going to find the strength and determination to really fight this?
    AND FORGive US CHILDREN for not being able to save you and let you grow ... if it is possible to forgive.
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 28 March 2018 05: 55
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      Well, aren’t we really going to find the strength and determination to really fight this?

      The question is rhetorical ... Unfortunately, (
      All affected in the Kemerovo-vitality. The departed forever rest (((
      1. vlad66
        vlad66 28 March 2018 08: 17
        +18
        It’s hard, the heart is torn to pieces, children, our future, who have just begun to learn the joy of life and this thread has broken, forgive us. Hard. Mourn
        if the constant mantra that the dead are “ten times more than the voiced figure” gives some special pleasure, is this a mental disorder?

        This is a conscious dance on the blood of nonhumans, which the worse, the better for them and enough to babysit.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 28 March 2018 09: 01
          +2
          Quote: vlad66
          It's hard, my heart is torn to pieces, children, our future

          Inexpressible, terrible grief ....

          The kingdom of heaven to the lost children of Kemerovo, these angels ......

          We condole, mourn together with the people of Russia .....

          Today we’ll go to church, put candles for repose ....
        2. Mestny
          Mestny 28 March 2018 09: 16
          0
          This is a conscious dance on the blood of nonhumans, which the worse, the better for them and enough to babysit.

          These scum are not easy the same - they are from the same team with arsonists.
          1. Vend
            Vend 28 March 2018 11: 46
            0
            There is no worse grief than parents burying their children.
        3. Imobile
          Imobile 28 March 2018 16: 41
          +5
          Let's analyze the picture and try to understand who Vasilisa Gratynskaya is? She began with the words that they would name the guilty. It’s clear that the switchmen will be appointed, she offers us to agree with this, not to demand to find the true culprits who do not know how to control, who have been stealing and in power for decades or even since the times of the USSR. And everyone who demands their resignation will immediately turn, according to Vasilisa, into scum. Further the statement that scum are the same arsonists. That is, here we are led to the fact that the arsonists are the most complete scum, not the city administration, which stuffed pockets in this shopping center, not the control bodies, which also stuffed pockets, but the boy who doesn’t understand anything, which can happen, or maybe short short circuit. The most interesting thing is that the authorities are invited to do this, that is, they are obtained at work. Not by creating conditions so that such events do not happen again, but by searching for who will encroach on this power. And first of all, these are relatives of the victims. Here you can kill two birds with one stone and save power and not pay money. Therefore, think for yourself who Vasilisa Grratynskaya is and whether it is worth disseminating such statements
          1. Vato dobro
            Vato dobro 28 March 2018 19: 29
            +2
            Let's see who Imobile is.

            He began by accurately describing the future, like a fortuneteller: "switchmen will be appointed." Although no one yet knows what will happen.
            He further suggests that we agree that there are no people who seek to wreak havoc and turn this tragic event into mass riots. Although there is direct evidence for this. Mr. Imobile simply ignored it.
            With the fact that we must be merciless to bribe takers and corrupt officials, I think everyone agrees. I suppose that agree and Vasilisa Gratynskaya. I don’t know this for sure, but the fortuneteller knows, and therefore declares.
            I agree with the thesis that you cannot call all arsonists scum. After all, there are occasional fires. Blaming a person, for example, is not worth the fire from a cigarette butt.
            About the city administration, deputies and others in her post not a word. Mr. Imobile invented everything on his own. Although before that I should have taken a good look at the object of my hatred about her attitude towards the subject he was studying. But since he did not, he again justified his title as a fortuneteller.
            In total, I made only one constructive remark from his post - about arsonists.
            1. E_V_N
              E_V_N 29 March 2018 14: 10
              +3
              Quote: Vato Dobro
              I agree with the thesis that you cannot call all arsonists scum. After all, there are occasional fires. Blaming a person, for example, is not worth the fire from a cigarette butt.

              And I do not agree with you. What does it mean you can’t blame a person for a cigarette butt? Examples, yes in bulk.
              Thousands of hectares of forest burn out from cigarette butts thrown into the woods per year, of billions of rubles, of course, real arson for the subsequent purchase of wood at a "bargain" price is also masked by the "cigarette butcher", but that's another story. In front of the entrance to the forest there is a poster “abandoned cigarette butt cause of fire”, but is it a decree Я I want to smoke, but I don’t give a damn about the rest.
              From a cigarette butt thrown from the balcony, the balcony caught fire a floor below, 2 apartments burned out, I know four such cases. There are many more in the country. Again Я I want to zhemkurit and have the right to my balcony.
              Disregard for others, sticking out one’s Я and their "Wishlist" is the cause of fires.
              But according to the "winter cherry" victim, "cash flow optimization, fire alarms and fire extinguishing, these are" unprofitable expenses "for the business and they will be minimized for now, the operation permit will not directly depend on the performance of these systems, but simply a fine or order.
              1. Vato dobro
                Vato dobro 29 March 2018 18: 41
                0
                Well, let's delve into the topic of random fires from cigarette butts.

                We won’t talk about forests. There is another case. Even legally. Conservation zones and all that. Here we are talking about the shopping center. In reality it happens that a person throws a cigarette butt into an urn, and there some papers light up, there is a wall of combustible materials nearby, and that’s all. Who's guilty? A man who threw a cigarette butt into an urn? Hardly. Next, how do you classify arson involving children? We played with matches, and set fire to something. Who's guilty? Children or also their parents? Or maybe even those under the supervision of whom they were left? So that everyone who arranges for occasional arson attacks under one comb of rowing is not allowed. It is necessary to understand what specifically caused the arson, and really punish the facts of violations during the audit. That is why I called Mr. Imobile's argument in this part constructive. Vasilisa Gratynskaya used an extremely unsuccessful turn: "These scum are the same arsonists," which can be interpreted not in her favor.
                1. E_V_N
                  E_V_N 30 March 2018 09: 37
                  0
                  Quote: Vato Dobro
                  In reality it happens that a person throws a cigarette butt into an urn, and there some papers light up, there is a wall of combustible materials nearby, and that’s all. Who's guilty? A man who threw a cigarette butt into an urn? Hardly.

                  The cause of the fire is not a cigarette butt per se, but an UNFUSED cigarette butt, that’s the difference. If you carefully watch old Soviet films where there are no "prohibitions" on smoking scenes, then notice that a positive hero usually puts out a cigarette by spitting in his hand and putting it out in his hand or puts it out with his foot, the negative hero throws it unheated ... like a trifle, but from such trifles life is taking shape. My father-in-law lived in a private house in a suburb of a big city, kept cattle, prepared hay, he never threw a cigarette butt without putting out and not making sure at 1000% that it was extinct. The fire survived when the hay harvested for the winter burned in an instant, and learned a lesson for the rest of my life. And those who throw not extinguished cigarette butts from the balcony or on the side of the road simply know that they personally do not cause material damage, and even with education a gap.
                  Regarding children and matches, earlier on the boxes the picture was “matches for children is not a toy”. Yes, and parents knew what the games with fire lead to, now they live in stone houses and believe that the fire will not affect them. In the event of a fire due to the fault of children, this is of course 99% of the fault of the parents, although how old they are.
                  You look at what is happening in transport, children and young people are sitting with their phones on, and mothers and grandmothers and grandparents are standing next to them, and then you are surprised why the children became igotists towards them, they put their souls into them. When did you yourself last see how the elderly gave way to a place in transport? You can blame the USSR for a lot, but the youth did not sit in transport if the elderly one stood.
                  Regarding Imobile, he said that a fire from a cigarette butcher does not seem to be considered, I categorically disagree with this, a fire, except for a lightning strike, is always a human factor, and that it is arson or disorder often leads to the same consequences.
                  And the statements of Vasilisa Gratynskaya are simply very emotional.
                  1. Imobile
                    Imobile 30 March 2018 10: 02
                    0
                    Regarding Imobile, he said that a fire from a cigarette butcher does not seem to be considered, I categorically disagree with this, a fire, except for a lightning strike, is always a human factor, and that it is arson or disorder often leads to the same consequences.
                    I didn’t say that. You are all confused. I talked about the level of responsibility. Let's separate 2 things fire and consequences. Ignition can occur for many reasons: careless handling of fire, short circuit, terrorist attack, etc. (this has its own gradation and the second consequence: no one died, several died, dozens died ... these things are not connected. For the first, switchmen are responsible, for the second who stuffed pockets. And the photo of Granovsky’s post is a masterfully thrown in so that we are distracted from the bottom line. I categorically disagree about loosening. If the power were not rotten, then it would not stagger. If you go to a rotten tree, it’s enough to hook it and it will fall apart, but it’s strong if you don’t twist. Maybe you need to remove the rotten tree and plant a new one until it nails someone else?
              2. Vato dobro
                Vato dobro 29 March 2018 19: 02
                0
                Yes, I’ll add about the briefly touched upon by you topics of the selfish attitude of some people to each other. In fact, here it is necessary to take wider. We are currently living under capitalism. The financial situation is at the forefront. In television, the Internet and other media there is a trend towards the promotion of individualism. This is when you act in isolation from what surrounds you. Moreover, you are a competitor for them. After all, the measure of success is personal qualities. No matter what, the main thing is that they help you make money. Alas, we or our parents themselves voted for this under the EBN, if not all, then most certainly. In other words, they wanted capitalism with the absence of any ideology, and a sense of responsibility through associations based on the ideas of collectivism - get it, sign it. And, the most interesting thing is that again it is impossible to return to the past. A generation has already grown up that loves freedom in all its manifestations. In particular, throwing cigarette butts wherever they want. What to do with this is not clear.
                1. E_V_N
                  E_V_N 30 March 2018 09: 45
                  0
                  Quote: Vato Dobro
                  After all, the measure of success is personal qualities. No matter what, the main thing is that they help you make money. Alas, we or our parents themselves voted for this under the EBN, if not all, then most certainly.

                  It’s good when the measure is positive qualities, intelligence, knowledge, honesty, entrepreneurial spirit. Unfortunately, completely opposite qualities have become a source of enrichment for the vast majority of nouveau riche.
                  And about the EBN, there was a banal shock from the collapse of the country, Gorbachev self-relieved and didn’t even attempt to save the USSR, as the people could prevent the collapse, someone asked him. Yes, and EBN lied to everyone, we will keep the union on the basis of the CIS, but we will stop "feeding" half the world and feed the people. Alternatives to EBN, at that time, were not visible even on the horizon.
        4. antivirus
          antivirus 30 March 2018 12: 43
          0
          after 5 years, the "winter horse" will burn up and after 5 years (10 years from today) - "crooked cherry"

          IT IS NECESSARY TO HOST ALL EMERCOM-EMERGENCIES TO THE OFFICES A GROUP PHOTO OF SCHOOLCHILDREN FROM POS TERESHENSKY
      2. siberalt
        siberalt 28 March 2018 11: 54
        +5
        As a system, do not patch, but there will be no sense. It must be changed, starting with the Constitution, in which it is fixed by the letter of the Law. Every lawyer knows this, even if he is president. What is the foundation, such is the house. winked
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 28 March 2018 14: 00
          +7
          Tragedy - when he died, ONE child!
          Which - gave birth, and you grew from the cradle ...
          To which - you explained the concepts of good and evil ...
          And - rejoiced, not thinking - that life is so evil!

          After all, perishing, Little but MAN ...
          He will take with him - his first snow ...
          Which will not turn into a snowy hill ...
          And under which - he fails - to fall in love ...

          He can’t - he’ll give you water ...
          And grandchildren - rejoice in the sweetness!
          And if he dies - already two ...
          Do not turn statistics into statistics - our grief.

          What remains is to rejoice in revenge?
          To those who are without conscience and honor ...
          Built this - cinema?
          Firefighter to judge - what took a bribe?

          Yeah! Life - not to return ...
          But - let him be afraid, THAT - who has stopped that path ...
          What about the first snow, with the first love ....
          He who did not give water - to get drunk, before death Enough!

          I am a Warrior, crying, the third day ...
          I pray - so that this shell ...
          Which - Interrupted lives with Lishk ...
          I didn’t know not a coffin - not tires!

          Like rabid dogs to be shot
          So that the dull - they knew ...
          What if You trade death ...
          Then she will come to You, BELIEVE here!

          I grieve. Like a man, father and citizen! Do not judge strictly, sketched - what you thought and how you could. Regards A.A. hi
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 30 March 2018 12: 44
            +1
            + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
            THANK YOU
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 28 March 2018 14: 01
          0
          I will give blood and meat .. but I would kill these "entrepreneurs" ...
    2. Dashout
      Dashout 28 March 2018 16: 16
      +3
      41 angel !!! It's terrible when children die ...
      Condolences ....
  2. Dezinto
    Dezinto 28 March 2018 05: 46
    +7
    I have no words, I burned out these days ......
    And do not say a word .... sickening is all ... sickening ... and anger and sadness ... some kind of nightmare ...
    forever joking I lost this property ...
    kids ... there were tiny kids! ... this is transdean comrades ...!

    1. 210ox
      210ox 28 March 2018 06: 51
      +7
      Forgive us children! For the nonsense, thirst for profit, cowardice .. I wish such a thing with these TV shows, and the shows themselves would disappear from the screens forever ..
      Quote: DEZINTO
      I have no words, I burned out these days ......
      And do not say a word .... sickening is all ... sickening ... and anger and sadness ... some kind of nightmare ...
      forever joking I lost this property ...
      kids ... there were tiny kids! ... this is transdean comrades ...!

    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 28 March 2018 14: 02
      +5
      the same garbage ... emptiness in the soul of Kolya, Dima ... crying grandchildren imagining ... trouble. tears again run ... damn ...
  3. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 28 March 2018 06: 16
    +4
    Forgive me for not saving you.
  4. bistrov.
    bistrov. 28 March 2018 07: 13
    +4
    You need to educate people from the cradle, instilling certain rules. Even at the age of 13-14 it’s hard to re-educate what to say about an absolutely adult, as they say, an inveterate individual. He will break even under pain of death. Stalin planted, shot, but still stole, were late, did marriage, betrayed for money, etc.

    Let's start with a simple one - do many of us do morning exercises? None. But this is directly related to each person. What, in general, can we talk about?

    The Spartans did the right thing when they took the children out of the family and brought them up as needed for the state. And to the person himself, then, it will become easier to live. He will not give up, where not necessary, a cigarette butt and will not go to piss into the porch. And smoking is unlikely to be ...
    1. Fox
      Fox 28 March 2018 07: 56
      +3
      Quote: bistrov.
      It is necessary to bring up people from diapers

      the state is bringing up ... my parents come to me, take it to study, it’s growing up with a bill ... schoolchildren in grade 5 can’t push themselves off the floor even once. We live in the village, it’s FORBIDDEN to go out of the forest.
      1. bistrov.
        bistrov. 28 March 2018 10: 09
        +4
        Quote: Fox
        schoolchildren in the 5th grade cannot push themselves off the floor

        Under the USSR, physical education was persistently introduced in schools, and indeed in educational institutions in general (and, very carefully, I do not remember the case that someone was injured, much less died, as it is today), and among us, boys, the physical cult reigned strength. In the summer, we spent all our free time in the river, although I had to work hard both in the garden and in caring for cattle, I personally, along with my mother, went to work at the collective farm from 10 years old, where every woman had a so-called "soldering", worked on a par with her, from 8 am to 8 pm, swam almost like fish in winter skiing. He did his lessons - on skis and to the dark. You’re home all wet from the snow, the science of rolling from the hills was hard, but my cheeks glowed with frost and fresh air. It was good to sit next to a hot stove with a book in hand. Accustomed to reading is also very clever, from first grade. Everything was stacked correctly, from regular physical exercises from childhood, although there were no "Schwarzeneggers" among us. The muscles of all were elastic.
        Then, of course, with adolescence, many began to smoke and drink, but this problem even during the Soviet Union could not be solved, as they did not try. The influence of parents who were drinkers without exception (male gender) affected.

        After 70 years, there was a general decline in both moral and physical development, today these criteria comprehended their lower values, which affects mental and mental development (there are many violations, but simply schizophrenics, in our years, such phenomena were an exception), this imposes their imprint on people's behavior (they cannot find a way out of the simplest situation, in case of fire, for example), but the state does not analyze and does not respond in time to the creation of critically dangerous foci and phenomena (the creation of such "entertainment" centers), they must be banned, definitely.

        Well, a lot of other things, I could write a lot about it, but for too long, and few will understand ..
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    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 28 March 2018 14: 07
      0
      bistrov. Today, 07:13
      You need to educate people from the cradle, instilling certain rules.
      [quote] [/ quote] ................. now this is not appropriate ... but, for "Educate" you need the State.
      1. bistrov.
        bistrov. 29 March 2018 08: 58
        0
        [quote = andrey yurevich] [b] bistrov. Today, 07:13
        [quote = andrey yurievich] now it is not appropriate. [/ quote]
        And what is appropriate? Sprinkle ash on your head?
  5. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 28 March 2018 07: 56
    +6
    The kingdom of heaven to the dead, deep condolences to the family and friends.
  6. sv-georgij
    sv-georgij 28 March 2018 08: 12
    +4
    This is not the first time. Old people burned in nursing homes, disabled people burned, the Lame Horse burned, but there are no conclusions. It seems to me that each such case should be considered as a terrorist attack, regardless of whether it was done intentionally or by carelessness. Moreover, all officials indirectly or directly involved in any way for this during the period of the investigation to be removed from office so that they could not have any influence on the investigation. In these cases, the stiffness will not be excessive.
  7. Observer2014
    Observer2014 28 March 2018 08: 25
    +4
    No words. And emotions are not the best companion to speak on such days. There are moments that unite a nation into a nation. A country into a country. Good bad moments. But they are. Kemerovo and I are with you
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 28 March 2018 17: 51
      +2
      yes ... it is ... I can’t .. I’m crying ... I understand everything. but the children were burned ... it is beyond my strength ... three times in an hour I called my own to make sure that everything was in order ... Of course, even in the region, I’m scared .... I don’t imagine how people will live with this ...
  8. d ^ Amir
    d ^ Amir 28 March 2018 08: 27
    +3
    the eternal memory of the dead !!!!!
  9. Imobile
    Imobile 28 March 2018 10: 23
    +7
    I watched Tuleyev apologize to Putin. This is the height of cynicism. In fact, he said, it’s not a pity for the children, but the distance that it didn’t happen in the neighboring area. He apologized for not being able to hide and that he had exposed thieves and crooks to the blow of eternal power. It is very unpleasant that the authorities are trying to hold on by all means. Is it really tolerable?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 28 March 2018 17: 56
      0
      Quote: Imobile
      Is it really tolerable?

      yes. not the option to stir up the water ... the height of cynicism when the children died ... not now ...
      1. E_V_N
        E_V_N 29 March 2018 14: 18
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        yes. not the option to stir up the water ... the height of cynicism when the children died ... not now.

        Of course, children, and all the dead, feel sorry for the tears.
        But if we just cry, do not think about the causes of the tragedy, about how to prevent this from happening in the future, we will mourn over and over again and again.
  10. Tsoy
    Tsoy 28 March 2018 10: 30
    +2


    The land they rest in peace ...
  11. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 28 March 2018 10: 39
    +5
    The ticket theater clerk could, according to the RF IC, lock the door so that adolescents without the ticket could not enter the session. After all, it depends on the number of free riders how much the owner of the cinema will deduct for the month.
    What nonsense, and if someone feels bad in the hall, he will die until the session is over ?! In no normal movie theater do spectators lock up; it’s generally horrifying that the IC carries such a thing. This can be done in a livestock enclosure, or have we already begun to consider people for livestock ?! For locked doors must be judged in all severity
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 28 March 2018 18: 05
      +4
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      what nonsense, and if someone becomes ill in the hall, he will die until the session is over?
      always went out of the room directly onto the street (didn’t like the movie, or the mood changed ...) why did people begin to conserve it so ...? real-traps.
      1. Town Hall
        Town Hall 28 March 2018 18: 12
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        always went out of the room directly onto the street (didn’t like the movie, or the mood changed ...) why did people begin to conserve it so ...? real-traps.




        Read the FSB instructions on this subject after Nord Ost
        1. E_V_N
          E_V_N 29 March 2018 14: 22
          +1
          Quote: Town Hall
          Read the FSB instructions on this subject after Nord Ost

          In the USSR, the KGB worked no worse than the FSB. the doors in the cinemas went outside, but during the sessions they were locked with a latch from the inside, and not with a key, and people could independently open the latch and go outside.
      2. Cheldon
        Cheldon 28 March 2018 19: 43
        +1
        Most cinemas were separate buildings, with 2 entrances and two exits to the street. You correctly noticed it
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        always went out of the room directly onto the street,
  12. mvbmvbmvb
    mvbmvbmvb 28 March 2018 10: 42
    +3
    A flash mob will not calm people down and prevent such tragedies in the future, only ADEQUATE (capital punishment) punishment of owners and "controlling" officials, starting from the measure and ...
    1. raw174
      raw174 28 March 2018 10: 57
      +8
      Quote: mvbmvbmvb
      Flash mob will not calm people and prevent such tragedies in the future

      Right! I won’t go to the rally (we’ll have one today), these are events with a touch of dancing on the bones ... Black PR.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 28 March 2018 18: 07
        +1
        Quote: raw174
        Quote: mvbmvbmvb
        Flash mob will not calm people and prevent such tragedies in the future

        Right! I won’t go to the rally (we’ll have one today), these are events with a touch of dancing on the bones ... Black PR.

        Husband ....
      2. Town Hall
        Town Hall 28 March 2018 18: 14
        +2
        Quote: raw174
        Right! I won’t go to the rally (we’ll have one today), these are events with a touch of dancing on the bones ... Black PR.




        And can you find out what is dancing on the bones and black PR to go to a rally in memory of such a tragedy?
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 28 March 2018 19: 20
          0
          Quote: Town Hall
          Quote: raw174
          Right! I won’t go to the rally (we’ll have one today), these are events with a touch of dancing on the bones ... Black PR.




          And can you find out what is dancing on the bones and black PR to go to a rally in memory of such a tragedy?

          can .. come.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 28 March 2018 22: 34
          +2
          Quote: Town Hall
          And can you find out what is dancing on the bones and black PR to go to a rally in memory of such a tragedy?

          The organizers of the rally ALWAYS pursue their selfish goals.
        3. E_V_N
          E_V_N 29 March 2018 14: 32
          0
          Quote: Town Hall
          And can you find out what is dancing on the bones and black PR to go to a rally in memory of such a tragedy?

          A rally is not a format in order to honor memory, to come to a memorial is a cry of the soul, but to hold a rally is a PR.
          And the words that at the time of such a tragedy is not the time to look for the guilty, let's figure it out later, this is "dancing on the bones", an attempt to evade responsibility.
    2. Pacifist
      Pacifist 28 March 2018 11: 11
      +4
      In China, this is done regularly. Did it help? No. But there are accurate historical observations that the fight against such things should be waged from a kindergarten. Education, training, control. Three rules that minimize such cases. If people are brought up as narcissistic nihilist consumers, you can shoot at least half the country, nothing will change. It is impossible to impose a person’s responsibility to himself and others not from a stick, but from comprehending the consequences and at the behest of conscience. If it is, it can be corrected with instructions and everything, if it is not, there will not be enough cartridges.
      1. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 28 March 2018 12: 55
        +1
        I totally agree.
        The point is in the absence of conscience or, in another way, good faith. FAILURE at home, and what's worse, at the level of authorities and leaders is the main enemy of the country. If this is not eradicated, there will be no future.
        We need a tough state program to eradicate dishonesty from people's minds. If the president’s message refers to a “breakthrough”, then it is necessary primarily in this area. And this is a systemic task, which should include upbringing from young nails, and tough actions of the authorities. But for this, local authorities themselves must be imbued with this task once and for all, and not after another emergency.
        In this sense, the absence of voluntary resignations among the responsible "leaders" is indicative.
      2. raw174
        raw174 28 March 2018 13: 46
        +1
        Quote: Pacifist
        In China, this is done regularly. Did it help?

        I share your views, but I propose not to clutter this topic with politics, it’s not about that ...
      3. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 28 March 2018 13: 58
        +1
        Quote: Pacifist
        If people are brought up as narcissistic nihilists-consumers, you can shoot at least half the country, nothing will change

        so it is, the policy of the current government is precisely the education of such "nihilist consumers". Fursenko formulated it in due time
        "The drawback of the Soviet education system was an attempt to form a Human Creator, and now our task is to grow a qualified consumer." Source: program No. 244 of September 10.09.2011, XNUMX, Academician V.P. Filimonov.
        And those who are for the Soviet system, as the past elections showed, only 12%
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      5. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 28 March 2018 19: 21
        +1
        Pacifist (Victor) Today, 11:11 ↑
        In China, this is done regularly. Did it help? No. question in numbers winked tried to compare?
  13. SevaNikolaev
    SevaNikolaev 28 March 2018 10: 50
    +1
    Forgive us, relatives ..... we did not save
  14. raw174
    raw174 28 March 2018 10: 56
    +3
    Another reason not to believe in Gods, for me personally ...
    I took the child to such gaming rooms, indescribable delight and joy ... tears in the eyes of the child when you take him out of the gaming sector ... a sea of ​​emotions. Where was the god, when the children burned alive, when the shining crumbs left a small heap of ash mixed with dirt? Where were the guardian angels and others whom they believe in and to whom they pray? The answer is obvious ... This is a tragedy, people are guilty of it.
    1. SOF
      SOF 28 March 2018 12: 12
      +1
      Quote: raw174
      Another reason not to believe in God is for me personally ..

      ... this is your right, but I, on the contrary, hope that he is, and I believe that all those who died, their bright and eternal memory ............... and forty-one little man .......... went to a better world ..................................
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    3. Cheldon
      Cheldon 28 March 2018 19: 53
      0
      Quote: raw174
      Where was god when the children burned alive

      Where there is no good, there is evil. Where there is no light, it is dark. For God, all living things, we will move from this world to another. I have many sins. Hope to get into a better world.
  15. mvbmvbmvb
    mvbmvbmvb 28 March 2018 11: 19
    +2
    Quote: Pacifist
    In China, this is done regularly. Did it help? No. But there are accurate historical observations that the fight against such things should be waged from a kindergarten. Education, training, control. Three rules that minimize such cases. If people are brought up as narcissistic nihilist consumers, you can shoot at least half the country, nothing will change. It is impossible to impose a person’s responsibility to himself and others not from a stick, but from comprehending the consequences and at the behest of conscience. If it is, it can be corrected with instructions and everything, if it is not, there will not be enough cartridges.


    Look at China - a GREAT country in every sense, including because of the harsh punishment of crooks and corrupt officials now, not like the Russian Federation, where major thefts are unpunished.
  16. Prometey
    Prometey 28 March 2018 12: 47
    +2
    Until now, before my eyes, an interview with the director of the school from which the children died in the cinema - a young guy can not restrain tears. I want to sob myself.
  17. aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 March 2018 13: 15
    +3
    Yes, you and I Kemerovo. Pray for the dead. Strength and patience to the relatives and friends of the deceased.
  18. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 28 March 2018 13: 45
    +5
    Something went beyond that - dozens of people died, including children. They died in peacetime, on a day off. The grief of relatives is immeasurable. The death of children is terrible in itself.

    Strategy: “We're not letting go of our own” has brought its next frightening results.
    Could irresponsibility embroiled in corporate impunity, the ideology of total money-grubbing and assignment to warm places, be based on the principle “from one's own”, and not according to the criteria of professional suitability and experience in the “profession”, could give birth to another result?
    Horror, just horror. I feel sorry for the children. The cry of the father of the lost family crashed: "Just return the children to me!"
    I can’t even imagine how to make up for the loss of all these people. Compensation in a million? Is this the price of human life in the commodity-market relations of the current ideology of total irresponsibility?
    Condolences to all the relatives of the dead ....
  19. valek97
    valek97 28 March 2018 14: 45
    +6
    It may seem cynical, but for me, children and adults are equal. I don’t understand why magazines are so direct on this. How many such stories were, and how many will be. Lame horse, Motor ships and the like. Now it’s heard, but it’s not so long ago. And people don’t remember, 5, 10,15 years ago they said that they would improve, etc. Only no one understands that this is a SYSTEM, it is so built and working. Why we do not have strict punitive sanctions against entrepreneurs, for violating TB, why they should be warned (before checking), everything is ticked, and therefore people die. Why they do not pay attention to 30-50 thousand people dying annually on the roads, in other areas. It doesn’t reach people that the SYSTEM is already built-in and it is working, and they won’t change it, well, how old is it, almost 30 years old, the country is one, the officials are different and this is a separate caste. Why orders are not executed ....
    1. ruivit1988
      ruivit1988 28 March 2018 15: 44
      +2
      Journalists, bloggers are now feasting on someone else’s grief. That’s why from any talking skillet they raise this topic. Maybe someone really sympathizes, but most likely they will procrastinate this topic exactly as much as it brings them profit. That's the worst thing, because in such images they confuse people. Moreover, they all push to distrust the official authorities, as if they are trying to oust the official authorities from the information space.
    2. Cheldon
      Cheldon 28 March 2018 20: 05
      0
      Quote: valek97
      Why do not pay attention to 30-50 thousand people dying annually on the roads, in other areas

      And what needs to be added in the rules of the road, safety rules, so that people do not die. Your suggestions!
      Quote: valek97
      Why orders are not executed ....

      This is a question for all of us, why we do not perform an elementary street at a pedestrian crossing, do not smoke, etc. etc.
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 28 March 2018 21: 24
        0
        Quote: Cheldon
        And what needs to be added in the rules of the road, safety rules, so that people do not die. Your suggestions!

        Remove the entire riffraff from the driving schools, introduce rigorous professional certification of personnel with an annual license renewal based on the results of certification of the enterprise.
        Enter a MANDATORY subject of study, namely "Driving Ethics" or "Driving Ethics" or "Vehicle Driving Culture", call this subject as you want. Without it, a complete bacchanalia is now taking place on the roads.
        Himself was a witness as the next "macaque with a grenade" moving in the far left lane KNITTING THE SPOKES throwing the steering wheel !!! Victims are not from the court? What does this “creature” have in mind and who gave it the rights? Do these crazy people have medical help and who checks them?
        1. valek97
          valek97 29 March 2018 08: 30
          +2
          Regarding honey inquiries, here's what I can say. Nobody cares. I am 21 years old. Handed over analyzes on the rights and ran for inquiries. They set a framework for the experts that you even cannot clearly examine. The therapist did not even become interested in whether I have any diseases or not (and then, as it turned out, heart disease, hypertension). The only one who immediately twisted is an ophthalmologist. and then only reading, no eye examination, nothing.
      2. valek97
        valek97 29 March 2018 09: 52
        +2
        I personally see the problem not in traffic rules, but in its implementation, in the enforcement of laws or the lack thereof. Once drunk, the conclusion is noticed. Breathalyzer locks, something else ... A lot of all kinds of technologies and necessary.
      3. E_V_N
        E_V_N 29 March 2018 14: 50
        +2
        Quote: Cheldon
        And what needs to be added in the rules of the road, safety rules, so that people do not die. Your suggestions!

        No need to add anything. It is necessary that they really teach in driving schools, and not read lectures for a tick, so that they really take the driving, and not just start, stop. Whatever the rights it was IMPOSSIBLE to buy. What would the traffic police really punished for violation, and not "tribute" collected in the often specially "equipped" place.
        Quote: Cheldon
        This is a question for all of us, why we do not perform an elementary street at a pedestrian crossing, do not smoke, etc. etc.

        The orders are not executed because the actual deadlines are not set and are not asked for the failure to meet these deadlines, but rather “listen” to “objective reasons”. Because even the “loss of confidence of the President” does not mean the end of an official’s career, it’s just a transfer to a new position, often more profitable. Because the "loss of confidence" in law enforcement does not mean further work at the machine or with a broom, but simply a transition to no less warm positions.
  20. Vard
    Vard 28 March 2018 15: 17
    0
    Very hard .. the children died ... In almost all countries, leaving children unattended is a criminal offense ... except for Russia ... with that?
  21. Radikal
    Radikal 28 March 2018 15: 42
    +1
    Today is a national day of mourning in Russia. And on such a day it is difficult to stand aside, it is difficult to restrain emotions about the grief that literally fell upon compatriots in Kemerovo. The main questions are the same that tormented more than one generation: Who is to blame? and what to do?
    The culprits are already identified. Normally. "Switchmen". And this will continue. Long. People will burn, fall in elevators. There will be tears again, and the grief of loved ones, flash mobs organized by anyone known! And they will put guards, elevator maintenance technicians .... Accept condolences dear residents of Kemerovo! And I'm sorry that in August 1991 we were not able to stop the impending catastrophe, and lawlessness .... soldier
    1. Yak28
      Yak28 28 March 2018 18: 00
      +3
      The system is to blame for everything, not a specific character, 20 years ago
      110-130 elevators were serviced by 4-5 electricians and 6-8 female elevators, and today there are 2 mechanics, and it’s good to have sections of more than a hundred elevators for the snout. Nobody will naturally keep elevators in perfect condition even when working for wear. The same in any industry.
  22. Siberian1965
    Siberian1965 28 March 2018 16: 36
    0
    As a knife struck the heart. And to those creatures that on the boys and girls who died I can not find the word. This is NOT PEOPLE and it is necessary to deal with them as with nonhumans. It will be rewarded to them all. I am sure. I want to howl from grief.
  23. geniy
    geniy 28 March 2018 16: 46
    +5
    People! Answer at least someone!
    After all, the only reason for the death of people in this “Winter Cherry” was still an ordinary fire, and all other circumstances - in the form of closed doors, littered passages - only aggravated the situation. But if the fire had been extinguished immediately, then in general no one would have died. But to extinguish a fire, it is not necessary to wait for the arrival of fire engines. After all, every building must have fire extinguishing means.
    Write someone here: were there even banal fire extinguishers in this shopping center? And why absolutely no one tried to put out the fire? Well, let the children were mostly there, but there must be adults too! Has it really occurred to no one to start at least one fire extinguisher and throw it into the center of a small flame?
    But besides fire extinguishers there should have been a stationary fire-fighting system. why nobody tried to turn it on manually? And why aren't all the employees of this shopping center and generally all employees of any organizations trained to turn on fire-fighting systems?
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 28 March 2018 18: 36
      0
      Yeah. Lightning struck and the house burned down. It is a pity that there was no lightning rod! winked
    2. E_V_N
      E_V_N 29 March 2018 15: 18
      +1
      Quote: geniy
      People! Answer at least someone!
      After all, the only reason for the death of people in this “Winter Cherry” was still an ordinary fire, and all other circumstances - in the form of closed doors, littered passages - only aggravated the situation. But if the fire had been extinguished immediately, then in general no one would have died. But to extinguish a fire, it is not necessary to wait for the arrival of fire engines. After all, every building must have fire extinguishing means.
      Write someone here: were there even banal fire extinguishers in this shopping center? And why absolutely no one tried to put out the fire? Well, let the children were mostly there, but there must be adults too! Has it really occurred to no one to start at least one fire extinguisher and throw it into the center of a small flame?
      But besides fire extinguishers there should have been a stationary fire-fighting system. why nobody tried to turn it on manually? And why aren't all the employees of this shopping center and generally all employees of any organizations trained to turn on fire-fighting systems?
      Reply Quote Complaint

      I’m not a Winter Cherry employee and not even from Kemerovo, it’s just a standard disease, so I’ll try to answer.
      There were fire extinguishers, but they were near the hydrants and were hidden "so that the children would not indulge." you can’t just find them.
      Adults rushed to save their children; they were not up to putting out the fire, as well as the staff of the center. Tickets are "retired grandmothers", animators "students at a side job", security guards "neighboring countries".
      It was already announced, the fire extinguishing system did not work. The reason is commonplace, gaskets in fire hydrants begin to leak very quickly and turn it off so that puddles do not form on the floors, and the gorantes themselves often simply steal the workers themselves "to the cottages". Roughly speaking, there was no water in the taps. Most likely there was no fire smoke even on the project.
      And who do you think will train workers? In the days of the USSR, every organization always had a “voluntary fire brigade”, albeit often formally in the late USSR, but where are the hydrants, fire extinguishers and how to use it all, at least theoretically, people knew. The calculation assigned responsibilities to whom to roll out the sleeves, to whom to open the water, to whom to extinguish with a fire extinguisher. Since in an extreme situation, you need to act on the machine, and not rush about the floors. Now there is none of this, the “technical director”, who is also responsible for fire safety, is often not competent in this matter, the service contract is concluded with organizations where random people work for low wages. According to the fire alarm, there is the “cheapest” office in which the guys work without special education, their task is to mount something similar to an alarm to get money and “forget” the fruits of their “hack”. However, in the "expensive" offices the same thing, except that better equipment will be offered.
      Conclusion, if random people are responsible for something, without a specialized education, wait for trouble or hope for chance.
  24. BAI
    BAI 28 March 2018 16: 47
    +3
    On the Internet there is a transcript of the meeting of Kemerovo parents with rescuers (https://www.lenta.ru/articles/2018/03/28/deti_zv
    onili /) - a very painful impression.
  25. Semen1972
    Semen1972 28 March 2018 17: 02
    0
    It should be like in aviation, when each incident leads to a detailed study of instructions with manufacturers and operators of equipment. There should be uniform standards for materials, life support systems, staff responsibilities. Everything should be clearly standardized .. and not so that everyone does what and how he wants. This responsibility is not the director of the shopping center, but the government of the country and the Ministry of Emergencies.
  26. goblin xnumx
    goblin xnumx 28 March 2018 17: 23
    +2
    “But will Winter Cherry become the last of its kind embodiment of irresponsibility?” - No, it won’t be, it’s a bookmark for a long time, and now it starts working, it starts, it will continue ... not only legislation has been changed for decades, but the consciousness of people - and not for the better ... the whole country is discussing the Kemerovo fire - everyone expresses solidarity - the bosses frown and raise their tone - but sense - at the same time we are going on a call with lighthouses with a siren and a quack - and so? - no one misses (we’ve gotten used to it already) - pedestrians do not take their eyes off the red car (sight) - jump right under the wheels (they have the same “green” -) it’s impossible to drive, the cars are parked (I decided to stop here, but once I decided and did) - this is for a long time, and this is without taking into account the madhouse in MSC itself ...
  27. kush62
    kush62 28 March 2018 17: 54
    0
    And this does not prevent some hotheads from generating frank fakes, others blindly believing in them, and thirdly, on the basis of this black lie, built on human grief, to demand “immediate executions”.

    And on our site this happened.
    Shurale (Shurale) Yesterday, 10:53 ↑
    They say that the real number is about 400.
  28. Old warrior
    Old warrior 28 March 2018 18: 22
    0
    Bright memory. It is a pity that they will not punish those who are to blame, but will find the Extremes.
  29. Fulcrumxnumx
    Fulcrumxnumx 28 March 2018 18: 49
    +1
    Eternal memory to the victims ... and deepest condolences to families who have lost children, relatives and friends in this monstrous tragedy! I really hope that all the evil that at least some part of the body or thoughts involved in this, will receive in full. This also applies to rat bloggers and other network dirt trying to cash in on the terrible tragedy for all Russian people ..
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  31. Sergey824
    Sergey824 28 March 2018 19: 59
    +1
    SORRY !!! Wild situation! And we saw how Puchkov bleated before the President! Vacations ... When they come to check, with bulging pockets, they are so fighting. And then I was drying up in full. And what can I say if one hand extinguishes and eliminates, and the other gives these permissions (MSDS, etc.)! Wildness! Separate these functions, as the investigative committee deduced.
  32. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 28 March 2018 20: 12
    +1
    Why are emergency exits not made disposable, kicking inside? Like, for example, emergency exit in buses. For any "removal" of the door without fire - a fine and restoration due to a bully. But during an emergency, people will be able to get out of confined spaces!
    1. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 28 March 2018 21: 49
      +1
      Quote: zulusuluz
      Why are emergency exits not made disposable, kicking inside?

      All exits in modern cinemas should be equipped if I do not confuse the system with something like "open shock". (Type of one-sided magnetic lock). That is, the door is closed for “stowaways” outside, and it should open from the side of the cinema: if a person became scared, ill with health, wanted to go to the toilet or simply didn’t like the movie.
      Why they couldn’t open it there or intentionally blocked it from the outside - a question for the investigators.
  33. Gado
    Gado 28 March 2018 20: 16
    +2
    My condolences to the Russian people. God rest, the souls of innocently dead children and adults who have prematurely departed! Let this be a lesson for everyone who thinks that for the sake of money, elementary security conditions can be neglected. Condolences again!
  34. mvbmvbmvb
    mvbmvbmvb 28 March 2018 22: 18
    0
    "This is a deliberate dance on the blood of nonhumans, which the worse, the better for them and enough will babysit with them. "

    God grant to everyone according to his merits, and to you, first of all!
  35. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 29 March 2018 03: 14
    0
    Volnov on the rack of the goat of the enemy of Russia!
    1. bogadun
      bogadun 30 March 2018 11: 21
      0
      I really want these photos to be not fake.
      1. bogadun
        bogadun 30 March 2018 11: 23
        0
        I really want these photos to be not fake.
        1. bogadun
          bogadun 30 March 2018 11: 24
          0
          I really want these photos to be not fake.
  36. bistrov.
    bistrov. 29 March 2018 09: 27
    0
    Now it turns out that the fire occurred from arson, in the room where the attraction of the pseudo-pool, filled with soft elements, was mounted. But this is an object of increased danger, firstly, it requires special permission to open it and it must be monitored by a qualified rescuer. Where was this "caretaker", why he did not detect a fire in time, didn’t localize it using manual fire extinguishing means, did not announce fire alarm, etc.


    Some unanswered questions. And everything rests, as I said, on education.
  37. kiprei
    kiprei 30 March 2018 13: 14
    0
    I remembered the Rostov fire last fall, there only one person died, but the scale was enormous (a whole area of ​​the city burned out) and they set fire to it specially - they did not want to give land to the construction mafia for nothing.
    1. Imobile
      Imobile 30 March 2018 16: 57
      0
      There is such a technique. Killing 1 starts the desa (or rather, there is always someone who assumes that there are more victims, they’ll only pick him up), that 4 were killed, then the dust settles, it turns out that 1 doesn’t seem to be against 4. 60 died, 300 are launched, 1000 died, that 10t is launched, 100t died, that million is launched, and then when it turns out that it’s not a million, but only 100 tons, it’s not so bad. The main thing is that the authorities should not be excommunicated from the feeder
  38. Amper
    Amper 30 March 2018 23: 20
    0
    What happens for 25 years in Russia is state genocide! More than one Afghan perishes on roads over the year ....... Air crashes ..... And so on. no accounting.!
    System - MES - Shoigu, who is he now? Is someone talking about emergency situations in Kemerovo? NOT!!!!! Who put the shoigu? How will it end? Switchmen, not a single Ministry of Emergencies will suffer.! And these are the most professional cattle milkers!
  39. Amper
    Amper 30 March 2018 23: 30
    0
    Kursk, Lame horse, Cherry, who is next !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is our PEOPLE! The system does not change! Snot from the screen, I think, as an officer, they will not facilitate anyone! Go to the far trench and shoot yourself like an officer !! !