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Will hunt for "Armata" Ukrainian "Note"?

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Well-known expert in Ukraine Sergey Zgurets declared the need to revive the Soviet project promising tank Object 477A1 "Note", which subsequently will be able to "hunt" for the Russian "Armata". Writes about it Messenger of Mordovia.




Recall, work on the creation of the tank stopped in the 1990-e, when Russia cut off funding.

According to Zgurets, the 152-mm cannon installed on this combat vehicle, which, as we know, was created in Russia, must be replaced with a NATO, caliber 140 mm.

“Only, nobody has been working on such tools abroad for a long time, and the Ukrainian gun Bagira of this caliber has remained experimental. Under the current conditions of the Square, the chances of launching it into a series are zero, ”notes publication author Lev Romanov.

The same chances, in his opinion, and the attempt to revive the project "Note". The preserved design documentation will not help this, “one digitization process will require a lot of time and money, which the state’s budget cannot afford,” the author adds.

Will hunt for "Armata" Ukrainian "Note"?


Perhaps the Ukrainian expert’s proposed passage of the “most secret tank on Kreshatik” could have caused another attack of hurray-patriotism, “however comparing the running model with the real Armata is very rash: T-14 does not come out of the test sites, and its rival "at present, it is rusting in a settling tank near Kharkov, and it is unlikely that it will ever become a real tank," concludes the publication
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  1. svp67
    svp67 27 March 2018 16: 05
    +12
    Will hunt for "Armata" Ukrainian "Note"?
    There are so many Russian components in this “object” that for a long time it will be “Ukrainianized” ...
    1. alex-s
      alex-s 27 March 2018 16: 09
      +10
      for a long time she will be "Ukrainized" ..

      By that time everyone will live on Mars! laughing
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 27 March 2018 16: 13
      +3
      Until the 90s, it was the only state, and then until the Maidan, enterprises continued to cooperate. So it’s hard to separate where whose
    3. avt
      avt 27 March 2018 16: 29
      +13
      Quote: svp67
      There are so many Russian components in this “object” that for a long time it will be “Ukrainianized” ...

      Well, it starts with the fact that the MBT in the first place is a gun that must be installed on a working platform, a protected chassis. But with gun barrels there .. well in Ukraine there was a fur-bearing animal, a scribe, moreover, full, well-fed. So in Sumy they couldn’t establish 125 mm trunks at the pipe-rolling plant, not only 152 mm. And they also need to be fired to the trunk somewhere, not to mention other electronic ammunition. So they’ll finish the reserve stock of category 3 and above and can ,, Malysheva "under a knife for scrap. Moreover, the same documentation and equipment were taken out from there ... Kazakhs bully They decided to put in reserve on the move put in Sempsk seem at a factory. So to me ,, Kasym "-Dauren wrote it off.
      1. volodya
        volodya 27 March 2018 16: 36
        +22
        Let them dream, it’s hard to live without a dream!
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 27 March 2018 16: 59
          +10
          Quote: volodya

          1
          volodya (vladimir) Today, 16:36 ↑ New
          Let them dream, it’s hard to live without a dream!

          For four years, the cartridge plant cannot do this while shouting that they are fighting with Russia and when I hear about the news of the Ukrainian defense industry, besides laughter this news does not cause anything.
      2. Mih1974
        Mih1974 28 March 2018 11: 09
        +1
        Let's frankly, make the assumption that the ancient Sumerians decided to do this: at first they are sexually weary to make the trunk, well, suppose the mericases to them kick the specialists from the Rheinmetal, but again, even the Germans still do not have a working trunk, and what they showed is just a mockup (themselves admitted). Well, suppose they made a barrel (for example, on the basis of howitzer), but then you need to do ammunition, and this is a lot of time for tests and calculations. Well, good - now they have an experimental (serial only after adopting) guns and shells tea is not in the millions now it needs to be fired from it, but this is a new loading mechanism, because it cannot be pushed into the tank from the MST, and so far the Negroes in Ukria did not learn to breed. In parallel - let them try to develop a BIUS, and this is not a couple of shots on the calculator, there’s a lot to shoot, measure, calculate, etc. And now the funny thing is - let ALL of them try to push it into the tank’s hull, let them try to book it all (otherwise it’s easier to shoot directly from the MSTA), and then they will try to do it all - budge !!! fool
        Well, suppose - a MIRACLE happened and the ancient Sumerians were able to accomplish this feat and we moved on to the "simplest" one - let's calculate how much will it all build? !!! belay Rumor has it about - a super duper fancy tank "black panther", xs what a fancy one he is, but what exactly is known for him is a super duper so it's COST negative negative
    4. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 27 March 2018 16: 45
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      There are so many Russian components in this “facility” that it will be “Ukrainized” for a long time.

      Well, sho? The more, the longer the "sawmill" will work ..! tongue
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS 27 March 2018 19: 01
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      There are so many Russian components in this “object” that for a long time it will be “Ukrainianized” ...

      The statement of this ukro-expert is pure populism and idle talk. If the cat has nothing to do ... The military-industrial complex of Ukraine is not able to fulfill the order for strongholds, but here R&D, tests, etc. ... that is, the calculation for svidomit with a saucepan on his head that screams endlessly in each case (including a trip around need for a toilet) -Glory to Ukraine! And yet, as they say, such a contingent shat it and will even seriously discuss it on the Internet.
      1. svp67
        svp67 27 March 2018 19: 13
        +5
        Quote: NEXUS
        The statement of this ukro-expert is pure populism and idle talk.

        I agree that to raise the "trousers" they will roll out the shaman vol. 477A and will shout loudly about the next "permogue"
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 28 March 2018 07: 36
          0
          Quote: svp67
          roll out podshamany ob.477A
          In principle, an 477 object could be more successful than an 195 object. In turn, T-14 "Armata", against T-95, - "Ubludok", this was expressed, at one time, by the developer of the 195 object, Colonel-General Sergey Mayev (from 1996 to 2003, he served as Chief of the Main Armored Directorate Defense Ministry and led the development of the tank T-95). So, bringing the 477 object to mind is unlikely to have to laugh at it.
          In the tank there were two "highlights" - the half-raised 152 mm gun and the control complex. What was laid in a promising tank, for that period, had no analogues on any tank in the world. Much is not implemented to this day. Starting from the sighting system with all kinds of control channels and ending with the on-board computer complex, satellite navigation, AAS, a system of state recognition, a system for controlling the movement and fire of a tank using radio commands. It was also conducted testing of the MSA with a television channel with automatic capture and tracking, and a laser channel on the CO2 for targeting missiles with a semi-active homing head and a radar station for detecting and capturing the target. Experimental samples of the radar, checked on the tank (RLK "Arguzin", All-Russia Research Institute of Signal).
          A promising tank was developed with the involvement of enterprises of the entire former USSR. So the 2А73 gun and its ammunition were developed and manufactured on the territory of the Russian Federation, therefore the implementation of the project within the framework of insufficient funding for the Armed Forces in Ukraine is currently difficult without external sources, although attempts were made to create the 152 mm Kiev Kiev-A gun. A number of realized for ed. 477 and its variants of elements, including the TIUS, were introduced on the Oplot tank.
          Manufactured more than 10 samples. Created backlog for the manufacture of pre-production lot. Tanks are stored on the test base KKBM (UPI). Also, three samples are in the territory of the Russian Federation. It is likely that the demonstration of the Armata tank in the Russian Federation will resume interest in the promising KMDB tank as a developer’s country, as a variant of a joint project with foreign customers.
          1. Engineer
            Engineer 28 March 2018 09: 01
            0
            object developer 195, Colonel General Sergey Maev

            He never was engaged in development or in UKBTM or anywhere else in general.
            Doesn’t it bother you that in your picture the barrel of the T-95 gun is 1,5 thicker than the Boxer gun with the same caliber?
            1. Per se.
              Per se. 28 March 2018 13: 01
              0
              Quote: Engineer
              He never was engaged in development or in UKBTM or anywhere else in general.
              Didn’t he, from 1996 to 2003, hold the position of Chief of the Main Automobile and Armored Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, did not leadership development of the T-95 tank (R & D "Improvement-88")? There is an interview where Vyacheslav Prunov, the editor-in-chief of Rosinformbyuro, managed to talk with the colonel-general (Armat will have to be pulled up to the level of T-95). Here is an excerpt from the interview.
              - It was planned, in 2005, to complete state tests and to launch it (car, T-95) in the series. In the first year they had to make 100 machines, then 300 machines. This is ahead of the development of the world tank building years on 15. Two years ago, at an exhibition in Paris, I saw the layout of the Leopard, in which German designers tried to somehow replicate the T-95 to accommodate the crew, ammunition and the gun and the elements of technical vision. But it was just a layout.
              - And we already had a new generation car in the metal.
              - And we have two samples of T-95 already departed 15 thousand. Km. And the gun has already made 287 shots. The tank was ready. It was necessary to create a third option, conduct a full-scale revision, based on the first and second samples, and on the third option, conduct state tests, make some changes and launch the series. And we would have the best tank in the world.
              - But what happened? Why abandoned the finished T-95 and opened a new work on "Armata"?
              - What happened is difficult to explain. I was at one of the meetings of the military-industrial commission, when the customers spoke, and Nikolay Yershov was the head of the Main Automobile and Armored Directorate, I told them that in order to finish this car, one more tank had to be made, to spend about 500 mln. rubles,
              - Well, this is not fantastic money.
              - Yes, they remained, the money. The creation of T-95 was not allocated a lot, total 2.2 billion rubles. And when I left, we had 700 million left. 400 million to make a third car and 300- for state tests.
              But, I was objected that the machine is structurally too complicated and it will not be mastered and will be very expensive. And I said: “Yes, it is expensive and complicated, but now you will not spend 700 millions of rubles, but much more, simplify the specifications and make the car. Which class will be lower. " So I said: "You will do ... ka (Ubudka)."
              - So, creating “Armata”, did the designers take a step back?
              - Creating T-95, we went to a new class of car. Unfortunately, it is lost. The paradox is that “Armata” will need to be dragged by characteristics to the level of “Improvement-88”. But the enemy is not in place.
              - Do you think “Armat” will be worse than T-95?
              - Well, of course, it will be worse than "Improvement-88". I think so. But the new just does not come. It was necessary to squeeze all the will into a fist and bring the T-95 to mind. In the 2005 year, we could actually begin to release a new tank. It is now -2013 year. Eight years have passed!
              “And yet, why didn't the T-95 be adopted?” Why put an end to the already finished best tank in the world? Why undertook a new, dubious development work? Could it be money? After all, KB lives by development?
              - Forgive me, Lord! It seems to me that there are only personal motives. I wanted Ershov to become an outstanding tanker. I warned him: "You will be kicked out in a year!" And so it happened.

              As for the thickness of the trunk, the 195 and 447 objects are drawings, not drawings. If you, Alexander Vladimirovich, are somehow embarrassed by such an overlay of images, you can search for information on the net, according to the dimensions of these tanks. The layout of the 447 object is different from the layout of the 195 object, the dimensions are smaller.
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 28 March 2018 13: 09
                0
                Here is a diagram of the initial layout of the 447 object, where the crew and ammunition are located differently than on the 195 object. View from above
                1. Per se.
                  Per se. 28 March 2018 13: 14
                  0
                  Then the layout of the object 447А somewhat changed.
                2. Per se.
                  Per se. 28 March 2018 17: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Per se.
                  Here is the initial layout of the 447 object.
                  Sorry, I later noticed my typo - not 447, an 477 object.
            2. yehat
              yehat 28 March 2018 14: 06
              +2
              Well, we don’t know how to work with metal - we have to make walls like on guns of battleships or even from wood with hoops))) here’s a thick trunk.
      2. Antares
        Antares 28 March 2018 00: 11
        0
        Quote: NEXUS
        The military-industrial complex of Ukraine is not able to fulfill the order for strongholds

        Well, the bosses talk about the pace of 6 tanks per month, but in fact, the pace of assembling 3 tanks per month. Obviously, they will soon. Tanks are still in trials ...

        The Oplot-T main battle tank supply contract to Thailand was successfully completed. The last batch of military vehicles successfully passed the tests in the presence of customers and will soon be sent to the country of deployment

        - reports the press service of Ukroboronprom.
        1. yehat
          yehat 28 March 2018 14: 09
          0
          as far as I know, it’s far from being successful in trials. At least in Thailand, twice raised the issue of refusal of supplies precisely because of the performance characteristics of machines.
      3. Omskgasmyas
        Omskgasmyas 28 March 2018 11: 39
        0
        It seems the Sumerians finished the Thai order at the Oploti. 4 years late.
  2. Troll
    Troll 27 March 2018 16: 06
    +1
    in 1990 Russia couldn’t block financing, since in 1990 the Soviet Union still existed and it was he who could cancel or continue financing
    1. alex-s
      alex-s 27 March 2018 16: 12
      +4
      in 1990 Russia could not cut off funding, more in 1990 the Soviet Union still existed

      work on the creation of the tank stopped in 1990-e
    2. askof
      27 March 2018 16: 12
      +3
      Read Ro-Russian, Troll: 1990 (meaning up to 1999)
      1. Troll
        Troll 27 March 2018 16: 24
        0
        1990 -1999 write 90 years and not the 1990s.
        1990s is January-December 1990
        1. Dormidont
          Dormidont 27 March 2018 16: 35
          +8
          Great and powerful bill of Russian language, as long as the snow did not fall on the head
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 27 March 2018 18: 09
            +6
            - Do you want to?
            - Yes, probably not.
        2. bk316
          bk316 27 March 2018 17: 05
          +9
          this is january-december 1990

          Yes no January-December 1990 this is 1990-Й
          The year he is masculine and not average. wassat

          A 1990-е mean ninetyЕ- plural.

          Poor you there in the BND teach the language of a potential enemy.
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        4. kit88
          kit88 27 March 2018 18: 37
          +4
          Quote: Troll
          1990 -1999 write 90 years and not the 1990s.
          1990s is January-December 1990

          Old Soviet joke:
          The American CIA decided to send a spy to the USSR. Three years have been cooked so that he knows the language, customs, etc. In general, that would be no different from ordinary peasants. And so, they put him in a padded jacket and kirzachi and threw the wheat on the field with a parachute. There is a spy across the field and sees how the old crest-Cossack plows. Thinks, say hello and find out what's what:

          - Great, dad! God help you!
          - Great, American spy.
          - Yes, you sho, dad. I’m a lad from a neighboring farm!
          - Yes, what are you% OPU lad, you Well nigga!

          This is how spies and superagents are pierced on elementary things that are known to every child in Russia.
    3. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 27 March 2018 16: 12
      +4
      buy glasses, trollin, and learn to read
    4. svp67
      svp67 27 March 2018 16: 29
      +5
      Quote: Troll
      in 1990 Russia could not cut off funding, more in 1990 the Soviet Union still existed and it was he who could cancel or continue financing

      So she stopped them later in 1993, and before that they worked together on a new tank, trying to create something PERFECT ....
      “Hammer” - “Rebel” - “Boxer” - “Note” ... Stages of development.
      The main armament is a 152 mm smoothbore gun, sort of like the 2A73 Zaraysk.
      In the framework of the RNO Nota, two prototypes of the Object 477A and Object 477A1 tanks were laid. Experienced tank "Object 477A" received the chassis of the type of tank T-80 with track rollers with an external bus. The second version of the tank - “Object 477A1” - had a chassis like the T-64 tank with track rollers with internal shock absorption.


      Object 477A was manufactured in 1993 and was tested, and Object 477A1, issued in December 1993, was partially equipped with equipment due to the freezing of funding by Russia.
      The tank worked out a fire control system with a television channel with a target acquisition and tracking machine and a laser channel using CO2 for guiding missiles with a semi-active homing head and a target detection and capture radar. Also, during the course of work on the tank, an experimental sample of the Arguzin radar complex was developed (developed by the All-Russian Research Institute of Signal). The test results were unsatisfactory: the underlying surface distorted the signal; on the ground, even a moving target was difficult to detect.

      The use of a gun with a longer shot and the new layout of the MZ led to an increase in the length and combat weight of the Object 477A, ​​477A1 tanks (OKP Nota) compared to the Object 477, 477A tanks (Hammer Development). To keep the fighting mass of the tanks on them, the armor protection of the tower, the frontal part and the sides of the hull was changed. In the modular armoring of the hull and turret, lighter titanium alloys were used. On tanks "Object 477A, ​​477A1" (OKR "Nota"), additional protective screens were installed in front of the sides. The combat weight was about 62 tons.
      Work on the development of Nota was carried out by Ukraine and the Russian Federation until the early 2000s.
      For Russia, of course, the Object 477A was more interesting, with a chassis of the T-80 type. And the tower was with people .... capsules, type T-14 was not provided.



      1. Locksmith
        Locksmith 27 March 2018 18: 11
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        And the tower was with people .... capsules, type T-14 was not provided.

        And where did the people fit ??! belay , the tower is very small - the gun is big laughing
        1. svp67
          svp67 27 March 2018 18: 21
          +4
          Quote: Locksmith
          And where did the people fit ??!

          Reclining in the body ...
          1. Locksmith
            Locksmith 28 March 2018 06: 41
            0
            Quote: svp67
            Reclining in the body ...

            That is, if Ipanet ammunition, then they don’t recognize anyone by DNA, after 152 mm ..... belay
            1. Mih1974
              Mih1974 28 March 2018 12: 24
              0
              I won’t want to go where I would definitely like to go as a tankman, although on the other hand, neither the wounded nor the disabled are provided, nor is there a funeral. belay crying As I understand it, they then took from the Nazis a system of "protecting self-propelled guns from enemy capture"? Well, that would be - if Che - only the caterpillars will not remain on the ground, and even then they will be "strongly pressed".
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 27 March 2018 16: 06
    +7
    But what about the "dung" armored car? belay In the series will not go? ?? crying wassat
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 27 March 2018 16: 13
      +5
      the tanks ran out, everything was scrap
  4. Romanenko
    Romanenko 27 March 2018 16: 09
    +6
    Fear Armata!
    Already on a piece of paper they drew a Note, but it looks like this note is "la-la-la" (in English "bla-bla-bla")
    1. romanru4
      romanru4 30 March 2018 14: 00
      0
      An anti-tank tank is a dead end in tank building. Our right did that abandoned this project.
      1. svp67
        svp67 30 March 2018 17: 09
        0
        Quote: romanru4
        An anti-tank tank is a dead end in tank building

        Nevertheless, Western tank builders are only building them, since their Abrams, Leopards do not have a full OFS, but are imprisoned for the fight against other people's tanks.
  5. Monarchist
    Monarchist 27 March 2018 16: 24
    0
    I am not an expert, and therefore I ask for leniency: "The 152 mm gun, which, as you know, was created in Russia, must be replaced by a NATO, 140 mm caliber" what is the advantage of a 140 mm gun over 152 mm? Is it just a little NATO? Is it hard to upgrade shells for an existing gun? Expert opinion is desirable
    1. svp67
      svp67 27 March 2018 16: 41
      +2
      Quote: Monarchist
      What is the advantage of 140mm guns in front of 152mm

      Yes, you yourself know the answer ...
      Quote: Monarchist
      Is it just a little NATO?

      Quote: Monarchist
      Is it hard to upgrade shells for an existing gun?

      It’s not difficult to upgrade, but we have 125 mm and 120 mm in NATO, created in the 70s, 80s ... and have already come close to their capabilities. The transition to a larger caliber is already asking.
      1. romanru4
        romanru4 30 March 2018 14: 07
        0
        Just, following the results of the war in Syria, it doesn’t even ask at all. There is practically no work for such tank calibers. At first they wanted to dispose of all 11 T-000/54, but now they changed their minds and decided that only two. The rest, it turns out, is the job. In 55% of cases of tank work in Syria, a caliber of 99 mm is sufficient.
        1. svp67
          svp67 30 March 2018 17: 12
          0
          Quote: romanru4
          In 99% of cases of tank work in Syria, a caliber of 100 mm is sufficient.

          It’s not very difficult to break their adobe houses, but how to suppress a specially made bunker, in which the walls are a meter thick? Or how to knock out a modern tank, whose frontal armor is almost a "reduced meter of armor protection"
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 27 March 2018 16: 54
      +2
      Quote: Monarchist
      "what is the advantage of 140mm guns over 152 mm

      Yes, one “incentive” is visible here - Ukraine dreams of joining NATO and “Europe”! And 140-mm-NATO standard.
      1. John22
        John22 27 March 2018 21: 38
        +2
        NATO has no 140 mm guns in service, there is a prototype in Germany.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 28 March 2018 03: 37
          +2
          Quote: John22
          NATO has no 140 mm guns in service, there is a prototype in Germany.

          Duc, and the 152-mm tank gun is not in service ... but the "gopher" that is! As far as I know .... experienced 140-mm tank guns were created not only in Germany! But also in the USA, Great Britain, Switzerland ...
          1. yehat
            yehat 28 March 2018 06: 54
            0
            152 mm anti-tank guns were already in service in 60 years in the USA
            then 2 more options were tested, and now they are working on tools
            there is no doubt about the availability of prototypes - they are
            the question is how successful they are, what are the prospects, including the nomenclature of ammunition. After all, the United States has invested heavily in modernizing the shells of current guns.
    3. Dead duck
      Dead duck 27 March 2018 18: 42
      +2
      Quote: Monarchist
      152 mm gun, which, as you know, was created in Russia, it is necessary to replace the NATO, caliber140mm

      There were all kinds of "searches" ... such as conducting experiments and work with replacing 120-125 with another (130-140mm)
      152mm seems to be redundant so far, there they were also engaged in experiments ... but in the end they seemed to come to the conclusion that there was no sense in "fencing the garden." Most likely, at the right time, they will immediately switch to 152mm. what
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 28 March 2018 08: 51
        0
        To "immediately switch to 152 mm", you must also immediately go to the respective towers. It is up to you to judge how “right away” it will turn out.
    4. kpd
      kpd 28 March 2018 18: 27
      +1
      The minimum caliber for an atomic projectile is 150 mm, all that is less cannot be considered a carrier of tactical nuclear weapons.
  6. evil partisan
    evil partisan 27 March 2018 16: 28
    +7
    In my memory, this is already the 2nd sample of ukrobronetekhnika, which should give an answer to "Armata". yes Still wait?
    1. yehat
      yehat 28 March 2018 06: 55
      +3
      I wonder where they are going to look for armature?
      this is the main question.
      1. Serg koma
        Serg koma 28 March 2018 08: 14
        +1
        So Armata in service with the Yakut-Buryat equestrian division of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which is deployed in Ukraine, has been standing since 2014 laughing
        The country w / on anything and anywhere "will find" and declare help!
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 28 March 2018 10: 15
          0
          What Hammers, what Notes, brave Ukrakoyaki can tear Armata with their bare hands!
  7. Dormidont
    Dormidont 27 March 2018 16: 33
    +3
    To be a borderline iskder you just need a certificate of mental retardation
  8. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 27 March 2018 16: 36
    +4
    No more than wet dreams Svidomo. Not a lifting project for ukrov, both in finance and technology. Not a single self-respecting bourgeois arms company or state budget will finance this rotten idea. They laughed and forgot ...
  9. Fitter65
    Fitter65 27 March 2018 16: 40
    +1
    Well-known expert in Ukraine Sergey Zgurets stated the need to reanimate the Soviet project of the promising tank Object 477A1 “Note”

    Well, really, they have not only quiet shingles there, they also have ceilings with concrete slabs, they rush one after another .. "Azovites" are massively in their military !!! Cruel of course, but how differently?
  10. Laughtermaster
    Laughtermaster 27 March 2018 16: 41
    +3
    Rostika to help, karoch. wassat
  11. prior
    prior 27 March 2018 16: 57
    +3
    And what, have ragulis already stopped praying for St. Javelin?
  12. Prisoner
    Prisoner 27 March 2018 17: 04
    +1
    But what about desovetization? And it doesn’t happen that a gudgeon hunts for a pike. Always the opposite is observed.
  13. Yrec
    Yrec 27 March 2018 17: 44
    +3
    The great Ukrainians t-64 in the "stronghold" with difficulty sawing where to them before the construction of a new tank.
  14. Normal ok
    Normal ok 27 March 2018 18: 06
    0
    one process of digitization which will require a lot of time and money, which the budget of this state cannot afford

    Well that's not true. Although there are enough problems without it.
  15. assa67
    assa67 27 March 2018 18: 22
    +3
    nothing about the article .....
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 27 March 2018 18: 54
    +4
    What was the conversation I still do not understand?
    What is the hell 477A1 "Nota", the Ukrainians are unable to supply high-quality armored vehicles and tanks for export, already on the basis of proven technology problems. And here are the whole plans for the future, with such a disaster in the economy and finance.
    1. yehat
      yehat 28 March 2018 06: 49
      0
      you need to cut something, but for this you need a new project that has nothing to compare
      the same as building a wall on the border.
      for this all howl.
  17. dgonni
    dgonni 27 March 2018 19: 23
    0
    Ukraine will not pull a note! Stupid stuffing. Here is a mustache. Although without Ukraine Armata will not take place as a tank, unfortunately. For Armata is a spioneer boxer and then a note put on the T-90 chassis. Those who know will understand that there is no need to know.
  18. Hiller
    Hiller 27 March 2018 21: 11
    +2
    “We were talking about explosions, about fires, we wrote NOTA TASS, then the orderlies rushed in and recorded us." ... "where is the money Zin?" .. Vysotsky said .. well, money needs normal brains and hands .... and time
  19. Antares
    Antares 28 March 2018 00: 04
    0
    “Only, abroad, no one has been working on such tools for a long time

    firstly not so long ago. Secondly, they were canned because there was no reason. In the third, the power of the tank gun lost its significance on the battlefield. USA, WB, Germany Switzerland, Ukraine, etc. ... there was an article about the 140 mm gun VO.
    So far this is all Wishlist. It’s necessary to bring at least Oplot M to mind.
  20. Savignon
    Savignon 28 March 2018 00: 04
    +1
    "Hunting for" Armata "will be someone bully if the hunter is still alive by the time of the hunt and does not become a victim.
    Judging by the documentary film about this tank, the hunt for "Armata" at the moment turns any hunter into a savage armed with a sling with a bow and arrow against a cunning and cruel black jaguar in the jungle. The "Armata" of the hunter will gobble up.
  21. Good mat
    Good mat 28 March 2018 06: 38
    0
    We are all so serious here ... Meanwhile, "it seems to me, gentlemen, that it was a comedy" .... Well, or .... dress rehearsal for the first of April! British "scientists", Ukrainian "experts" - one field of berry, if not mentally, then psychologically, purely neighing.
    1. Wened
      Wened 28 March 2018 09: 36
      0
      And to implement the project to entrust Rostik winked
  22. yehat
    yehat 28 March 2018 06: 46
    +1
    I think the author of the article forgot to mention copyright.
    Ukraine does not have the right to use the project documentation freely, because this project does not belong to Ukraine.
  23. Sergey74
    Sergey74 28 March 2018 09: 38
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    The note is not Ukrainian, it is Soviet (USSR). And the successor to the USSR is the Russian Federation.
  24. vladimirasha
    vladimirasha 28 March 2018 11: 38
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    It’s time to finish with Khokhlyat’s Jews. Tired of getting to the marrow of bones and rotting from there it bears the suffering.
  25. Dead duck
    Dead duck 28 March 2018 12: 40
    +2
    Quote: Black Colonel
    To "immediately switch to 152 mm", you must also immediately switch to the corresponding towers. How much this will work right away is for you to judge.

    This is the sweetest statement, not reflection or opinion ...
    unless of course you are aware of these concepts.
    And the tower is the "tenth" especially since according to the new trend it is "uninhabited" and practically not a tower, but a platform. request
  26. Guru
    Guru 28 March 2018 12: 56
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    The author claims.
    Recall, work on the creation of the tank stopped in the 1990-e, when Russia cut off funding.

    What does OVERLAP mean? Nonsense. Russia has stopped financing the Ukropovskaya defense industry, so do it yourself for your money and work out who your doctor is.
  27. Bumper
    Bumper 28 March 2018 13: 03
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    Quote: dgonni
    For Armata is a spioneer boxer and then a note put on the T-90 chassis.

    On the chassis of the T-90 ??? Seriously?
  28. drilled
    drilled 28 March 2018 13: 07
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    Yeah, schach, the Americans will rush to support the ruin military industry. Forget it! Get ready to take the equipment to scrap and buy NATO weapons for money!
  29. Vitaly Dorofeev_2
    Vitaly Dorofeev_2 28 March 2018 15: 12
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    Kharkov Tank Design Bureau once was one of the best in the world. Do not forget that it was there that the T-34 was created, and the revolutionary T-64 for its time was also developed there. T-72, T80 and even T-90 largely repeat its basic scheme. To develop a new generation tank with an uninhabited tower in Kharkov began in the early 1980s. When creating the machine, they used the potential of enterprises throughout the vast country. But with perestroika, things went awry. On this subject there is a book by the veteran of the Kharkov design bureau Yuri Apukhtin, "The Last Dash of Soviet Tank Builders." I highly recommend reading to anyone interested in this topic. Now Kharkiv people are hardly able to implement such a project ...
  30. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 28 March 2018 17: 54
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    The preserved design documentation will not help either, “one digitization process of which will require a lot of time and money, which the state’s budget cannot afford,” the author adds.

    It reminds the history of the Ukrainian corvette when it first announced plans for a series of a dozen ships, and then it turned out that there was no money in the budget even to pay the designer the completed design work. smile
    1. lance
      lance 28 March 2018 18: 41
      0
      but here is what Ukrainians can sell to 477amers and then the question is ...
  31. sanyasn
    sanyasn 29 March 2018 21: 32
    +1
    But why is there 140mm. Drawings from Tsar Cannon, which is in the Kremlin, let them digitize. What in the minds of these experts, for cockroaches breed? They think that the more the better, the “iron cap”, we then thought that this was humor, but this is a concept.