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Complete failure of "alternative Russia" in Ukraine

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Liberals and, especially, national liberals like to speculate about possible historical alternatives to Russian statehood. In their opinion, everything would have turned out differently if instead of the totalitarian "Horde-Byzantine" Moscow, the Russian lands were united by the "pro-Western and advanced" Novgorod, or the even more "civilized" Grand Duchy of Lithuania.




History, as you know, has no subjunctive moods. Moreover, Novgorod, which was led by merchants, who were preoccupied, above all, with profits, especially did not have imperial ambitions. Namely, the too pro-Western course of the GDL, which led him to a union with Poland, not only prevented him from becoming the unifier of the Russian lands (in the Principality of Lithuania, the majority of the inhabitants spoke Russian and professed Orthodoxy), but also destroyed him, in the end.

Be that as it may, the reasoning of the liberals about "pro-Western" Russia led them to the idea that post-revolutionary Ukraine is nothing but a "European alternative" for our country.

One of the representatives of the Russian opposition Lev Rubinstein, who soon after the triumph of “euromaidan”, breathing the “air of freedom” in Kiev, wrote on his Facebook quite clearly expressed this idea quite clearly:

“I do not exclude in the foreseeable future such a situation when, in the framework of a wide Russian-Ukrainian cultural exchange, artists, scientists, energetic businessmen and other different young and middle-aged people will stretch to Kiev, for whom personal freedom, professional initiative and social -cultural diversity is not just the norm, but a must. Thieving officials, full-time and freelance snitchers, as well as "golden eagles" who with informal enthusiasm, supported by the material factor, will come to Muscovites for their disgraceful defeat will come from Moscow to Moscow in commodity quantities.

There is no doubt that this idea has visited, not only the bright head of Lev Rubinstein. The project “Ukrainian alternative” was seriously and thoroughly studied by our Western opponents. It would not be an exaggeration to say that the fascist insurgency in Ukraine was started, including for the export of the national liberal revolution to our country.

Ukraine was to become not only a testing ground and a laboratory platform for working out methods of promoting “European values” to Russia, but also a training center where they would train future revolutionaries of various specialties, from militants to propagandists and organizers. In addition, it should have become a demonstration model that will show the Russians how great it is to live in a “free country that has chosen the European path.”

However, the project of "alternative Russia" is clearly not working out.

The other day, the Russian actor, the head of the Moscow Satirikon Theater, Konstantin Raikin, got into the database of the Ukrainian site Peacemaker. Recall that Raikin, after he had sharply criticized the Russian leadership for "censorship", became almost a symbol of resistance to the "Kremlin regime."

Now he was among the “enemies of Ukraine”, and was included in the “proscription lists” of the Peacekeeper website, acting in close cooperation with repressive bodies.

Recall that a little earlier there was Ksenia Sobchak, who dreamed of "returning" the Crimea to Ukraine.

And this is a trend. Artists, scientists, energetic businessmen and other different young and middle-aged people, for whom personal freedom, professional initiative and socio-cultural diversity are not just the norm, but the urgent need ”disappear into the“ firing lists ”of Ukrainian radicals and Sbushnikov in batches that are marked by Rubinstein. .
For which after that the opportunity to visit the “beautiful Ukraine”, even with a very large desire, becomes unavailable.

And I must say that it is not only a matter of “parochialism” of the descendants of the ancient Sumerians, for whom everything from Russia is a threat.

The fact is that there simply cannot be any “alternative”, “pro-Western” and “European” Russia - it can only be Russian, and no other.

This, in particular, is indicated by the failure of the attempt to westernize Russia within the framework of the reforms of the 90s.

Counselor Yeltsin philosopher A.I. Rakitov then spoke frankly: “The transformation of the Russian market ... into the market of modern capitalism demanded a new civilization, a new social organization, and consequently, radical changes in the core of our culture.” However, these tasks for the implementation of ethno-cultural genocide (and how else would you call the intention to destroy the cultural core of the people?), Encountered serious problems.

Rakitov lamented then that the problem was that Russia is a civilization: “It would be very simple if the transition to this [western] civilization and this market was carried out in an open field. After all, the transition from an uncivilized society to a civilized one is much easier than a change of civilizations. ”

But neither Rakitov nor those who tried to build an “alternative Russia” in Ukraine understand the main thing: their efforts are “monkey labor”, since it is impossible to “westernize” Russian civilization, due to the fact that this giant cannot be crammed into modern European civilization.

As well as a poor, artificially created from several farm dialects, surzhik is simply not able to supplant the Russian language.
And Ukrainian nationalists are closing on the carriers of Russian culture (even loyal to them). Because they are well aware of the inferiority of their subcultural handicrafts in front of her greatness. And they understand that they can not only be an “example” for Russia, but they cannot compete with it in anything. And simply trying to close on "cultural expansion" themselves, being unable to attack.

Contrary to Rubinstein’s prediction four years ago, seeking to “freedom, professional initiative and socio-cultural diversity”, they are not fleeing to Ukraine, but out of it. First of all - to Russia.
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  1. mavrus
    mavrus 27 March 2018 15: 40
    +6
    Liberal Excretion, Ukraine, was doomed to failure from the very beginning. And not only because of the "excuse", and not even because, supposedly, liberal. The goal pursued by the overseas “excavators” did not initially set a goal of any economic prosperity, not to mention cultural prosperity ... The Baltic countries, the population of which is incomparably smaller, were quite enough for the West for “civilized political” pressure on Russia. Neat, fully fattened on the content of the EU, they were and are, as it were, an advertisement, "how to get along well if you constantly spoil Russia." But we needed "dirty", hungry, freezing ... To constantly create armed problems on our borders. Only the "hungry and dysfunctional", with washed Bandera-Nazi propaganda moegami Ukrainians need the West. So the excretion was half successful. Shoot and kill the inhabitants of Donbass, not Russians, and in the Crimea, the Russian base, not NATO. And the rest is complete success.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 27 March 2018 19: 51
      +7
      This is not an “alternative Russia” .... It’s just a territory seized by nationalists in which the ball is ruled by the same crooks as before and trying to survive by the silent population and compromisers.
      1. dSK
        dSK 27 March 2018 22: 09
        +4
        Quote: 210ox
        Just the territory captured
        neo bully by the Nazis.
    2. Serge Gorely
      Serge Gorely 27 March 2018 21: 25
      +3
      "We, the Gussians, do not deceive our own !!!" - from the movie Brother 2 ...
  2. Imobile
    Imobile 27 March 2018 15: 58
    +2
    was supposed to be a demonstration model that shows Russians how cool it is to live in a “free country that has chosen the European path.”
    Author - what are you talking about? Where is Ukraine, And where are European values? There are no "European values." There are universal values. This is freedom, material well-being, lack of corruption, security. If for that matter we have a mentality closer to Americans than to Europeans, I would even say that we are no different from Americans
    1. Borik
      Borik 27 March 2018 16: 38
      +7
      If for that matter we have a mentality closer to Americans than to Europeans, I would even say that we are no different from Americans

      That's what they are trying to destroy us, because we are their doubles.
      1. already a Muscovite
        already a Muscovite 27 March 2018 19: 33
        +7
        They say that the monkey always tries to break the mirror in which it is displayed ...
      2. Sergey985
        Sergey985 27 March 2018 20: 15
        +3
        You do not confuse the American people with American politicians.
        1. Alf
          Alf 27 March 2018 21: 24
          +3
          Quote: Sergey985
          You do not confuse the American people with American politicians.

          And who selects the American politicians? Is it not AMERICAN people through the electoral system?
          1. tracer
            tracer 28 March 2018 00: 59
            +4
            No, electors who have nothing to do with the people choose him. They still can’t understand how Trump slipped it. I myself personally saw on the day of the election of the US president who was going to vote, and what posters and posters hung in this city. Not on TV.
          2. Siberian1965
            Siberian1965 30 March 2018 15: 11
            0
            The biggest misconception is that the American people choose something there. For more than 200 years he has been hawking the system that was originally created to prevent an unwanted, unsystematic person from coming to power. And Trump is proof of that. Foreign policy and domestic, too, are not made by the president of America.
    2. Alf
      Alf 27 March 2018 21: 26
      +3
      Quote: Imobile
      This is freedom, material well-being, lack of corruption, security.
      Are you talking about Europe? And what kind of country? This is precisely the advantages you have cited in Europe just that is not observed.
    3. Alf
      Alf 27 March 2018 21: 27
      +6
      Quote: Imobile
      we are no different from the Americans

      Holy, holy, holy. Away from such relatives.
      1. dSK
        dSK 27 March 2018 22: 16
        +3
        Christian America, like Europe, has long been ruled "quiet" Zionists are Freemasons.
      2. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 28 March 2018 09: 30
        +1
        In terms of mentality, Americans are very similar to Russians. I lived in the USA and I know that. This is due to the vastness of the country.
        1. Zerber2007
          Zerber2007 28 March 2018 20: 30
          +2
          don't tell my bears
  3. BAI
    BAI 27 March 2018 16: 23
    +1
    Russia is civilization

    But this is an interesting idea. As if on different planets not to be.
    1. Rey_ka
      Rey_ka 28 March 2018 08: 36
      0
      We are all from Hyperborea. and go back there
  4. Dashing
    Dashing 27 March 2018 16: 36
    +9
    Ah, how tired you are with the problems of Ukraine. With my own would sort it out, mine.
    1. Zerber2007
      Zerber2007 28 March 2018 20: 31
      +1
      in part, one follows from the other.
  5. prior
    prior 27 March 2018 16: 41
    +19
    A mutually beneficial exchange can be organized with Kiev: they send separatist specialists to Russia, all kinds of engineers from Yuzhmash, Antonov, MotorSichi there with their families, and we respectively liberal activists, all kinds of Akhedzhakovs, Sobchachek, Makarevichs, Amnueli .... and others valuable staff. They want to go forward in Europe!
    1. Siberian54
      Siberian54 27 March 2018 17: 27
      +7
      fuck you pull them from the trough with a swill .. Gnaw ..
      1. Sars
        Sars 28 March 2018 16: 00
        +1
        Then they must be sent on an ethno-historical campaign from Arkhangelsk to Taimyr for forty years.
    2. 4ybys
      4ybys 27 March 2018 19: 19
      +3
      But is Russia ready to accept specialists and pay them salary rates?
      1. already a Muscovite
        already a Muscovite 27 March 2018 19: 36
        +4
        We have already moved for a long time ... I won’t say for other professions, but there are CNC controllers from aircraft manufacturing from Ukraine at all aircraft plants in the Russian Federation ...
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 27 March 2018 19: 51
        +5
        Quote: 4ybys
        But is Russia ready to accept specialists and pay them salary rates?

        Are you a specialist?
        1. 4ybys
          4ybys 27 March 2018 22: 07
          +3
          And I even dare to think that in my field it’s not bad enough, but it's not about me. Somehow, guys from some Russian recruiting agency came to me and asked me to recommend specialists in a certain field to them. I have recommended. Then the people whom I recommended told me that they offered them such ridiculous conditions, especially emphasizing the fact that we are fighting, and recruiters almost save them from the bullets, blocking them with their breasts, and they must be thankful. That is why the question arises. Are there any special programs to attract specialists or is it just idle talk along with the desire to fish in troubled waters.
          1. tracer
            tracer 28 March 2018 01: 05
            +2
            Yes, yes, a colleague from Ukraine wrote to me, will I help him, through old channels, get an oilman at a rig? Then of course he will move to Russia.
          2. Zerber2007
            Zerber2007 28 March 2018 20: 36
            +1
            But do you want the desire to coincide with reality even a little? I saw ads for the sale of some things, the Ukrainian sells it, and it’s exactly the same Russian. For a Russian, it costs as it should be, as elsewhere, the price for this thing is quite normal, but here Ukrainian vparivaet it at a sky-high price, as if there is gold of the empire.
            1. 4ybys
              4ybys 28 March 2018 22: 01
              0
              And you do not confuse warm with soft. It's one thing when a person asks for a job. And another thing is when you are invited to work with scant wages, trying to take advantage of your plight. But of course it’s easier to throw on the fan that Ukrainians are greedy, because they don’t want to work for thanks.
      3. Alf
        Alf 27 March 2018 21: 28
        +4
        Quote: 4ybys
        But is Russia ready to accept specialists and pay them salary rates?

        Something tells me that in Russia these specialists will get more than in Ukraine.
        1. 4ybys
          4ybys 27 March 2018 22: 09
          +2
          Is not a fact. Answered from above. And still do not forget about the presence / absence of housing and other factors that impede the relocation of specialists.
          1. Alf
            Alf 27 March 2018 23: 09
            +3
            Quote: 4ybys
            Is not a fact. Answered from above. And still do not forget about the presence / absence of housing and other factors that impede the relocation of specialists.

            It seems that specialists from Yuzhmash, when they moved, were immediately hired and given departmental housing.
          2. Rey_ka
            Rey_ka 28 March 2018 08: 39
            0
            Well, it means that you haven’t gotten quite there yet .. bad times there is an opportunity to choose. no one says that we have heavenly conditions. but at least there are all physiognomy of their relatives
            1. 4ybys
              4ybys 28 March 2018 09: 16
              +1
              So the question is not “absolutely bad” or “not really bad”, but whether specialists are needed or not. According to Alf (Vasily), people were given departmental housing, i.e. specialists are needed, and in the case of which I wrote, they simply tried to drive them into serfs.
              1. jktu66
                jktu66 28 March 2018 13: 57
                +3
                There is Internet, write to specialized enterprises, send resumes, discuss working and living conditions, choose. This is what they do in Russia.
                1. 4ybys
                  4ybys 28 March 2018 22: 04
                  0
                  Thanks for the tip, but why did you write it?
  6. Dormidont
    Dormidont 27 March 2018 17: 01
    0
    "Alternative Russia" is called "Khazaria"
  7. Irek
    Irek 27 March 2018 17: 19
    +7
    Oranges will not be born in aspen. ..
  8. Lycan
    Lycan 27 March 2018 17: 27
    0
    ... But at least they tried. Yes, it hurts, but also because it is free!
    Field tests of laboratory speculations on the topic of more productive alternatives I propose to consider “already long ago” conducted. With the result "non-viable". With the postscript "only in the form of a territorial resource in the interests of third countries."
  9. captain
    captain 27 March 2018 17: 33
    0
    So big, and he believes in fairy tales.
  10. Normal ok
    Normal ok 27 March 2018 18: 23
    0
    Contrary to Rubinstein’s prediction four years ago, seeking to “freedom, professional initiative and socio-cultural diversity”, they are not fleeing to Ukraine, but out of it. First of all - to Russia.

    Who is the one who escaped to Russia ?! People go to the West, to the West.
    1. 4ybys
      4ybys 27 March 2018 19: 21
      +4
      There is nothing to do in that West. Already a year since we arrived.
      1. Alf
        Alf 27 March 2018 21: 31
        +1
        Quote: 4ybys
        Already a year since we arrived.

        You were not there. wink
        We had to go to Europe. There
        Quote: Imobile
        freedom, material well-being, lack of corruption, security.
        That's the truth of these very ones, with dark skin, something is a bit much, and the Sharia police are somehow unsweetened.
  11. Sergey985
    Sergey985 27 March 2018 20: 21
    +3
    Doubt gnaws at me. Why do they need blooming Ukraine? To rob, drive into debt, but hang on our neck. And everything else is just fairy tales for the naive.
    1. Rey_ka
      Rey_ka 28 March 2018 08: 41
      0
      Well, somehow it’s not humanly to spoil everything at home, destroy everything and move to another apartment
  12. German Titov
    German Titov 27 March 2018 22: 41
    +3
    For Ksyushad Abida gnaws. Has resolved on "liberals". If I were 20 years younger, I would go to the Far East (there is a class !!! I was there). And so, "paddle" in hand, "unloading" and the memory of the Soviet Army. We are “Donetsk crooks” (tunnels). We don’t have this "Moscow (St. Petersburg and the rest trashy hangover)" for "money, and they are a gift to us for nothing." And sho? Is there really no “nicotine drop”?
  13. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 27 March 2018 22: 52
    +3
    The most important thing in this matter is not to take everyone without exception. More precisely - not to take anyone, but also to pack a pack of "their" forcibly push to Ukraine. Otherwise, what happens - you can crap here, and you can rake honors for previously deserved titles. These are some pigeons obtained, shaving where they live.
  14. Aqela
    Aqela 28 March 2018 00: 27
    +3
    Especially touches the abundance among Jewish banderophiles. wassat Well, yes, there the president is now one of them. The "Taras Bulba" very well describes how difficult it was for the Jews in Little Russia ... Yes, and the OUN destroyed how many of them - the second Khlokost, right ... And now - such a strange love .... request
  15. arsen69
    arsen69 28 March 2018 03: 42
    +2
    The inspirational delirium of Brathello Rubinstein from 2014 is further evidence that one should not really pay attention to the statements of the workers of the “creative workshop”. Certain abilities in the field of art and the certain fame achieved with their help alone do not make anyone more knowledgeable in matters of politics or public relations. If Rubinstein has the ability to adequate self-esteem, then he should be ashamed of his words now, but no - no.
  16. shinobi
    shinobi 28 March 2018 06: 16
    +1
    Yes, there is no conspiracy and superplans here. The economy is complete and thieves. As long as Russia contained the Union republics, they lived on. They planned to keep them in the EU and the Russian Federation. And they kept. So far the security forces didn’t "resign" Ben. everything. The bright future ended at once, and Russia from a harmless backward cow sharply became an advanced evil bear. The West generally behaves very stupid. If they promoted the idea of ​​globalism, then the countries "donors" needed to arrange the most comfortable regime in terms of trade in raw materials and other resources . Like the Yankees with the Saudis, or the Japanese. And everything would have worked out and worked out. Then, for some reason, the Americans began to rush. The reason is incomprehensible.
  17. Jerk
    Jerk 29 March 2018 08: 18
    0
    Nowhere "alternatively gifted" were not useful)))
  18. NordOst16
    NordOst16 29 March 2018 08: 36
    0
    The boyars are fighting, and at the lackeys forelocks are cracking.
    I understand that politics is a very dirty business, but it doesn't make it fun to watch:
    1) in the beginning, how great democracy on the planet democratically destroyed all those who disagree. All who are with us are democrats, a different opinion is not quite democracies, to prescribe high-explosive fragmentation pills and military air treatment by invasion.
    2) the war in the Donbass, which at the same time is called the revolution, while condemning the revolutions in Syria and the suppression of the uprising in Chechnya.

    Interestingly, is there at least one example of a revolution that took place without sponsorship by external forces and did not benefit external opponents of the state?
  19. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 29 March 2018 08: 51
    0
    Russian creative class in Ukraine en masse in the proscription list

    Maybe it’s enough to call a bunch of scum Russian creative class?
  20. flicker
    flicker 29 March 2018 13: 04
    +1
    Hmm, however, Rubinsteins fade.
    Was Sergei Leonidovich Rubinstein (1889-1960) - an outstanding Soviet psychologist and philosopher - discovered fundamentally new and very promising ways in the development of psychological science and philosophy. In the XX century, it was he who became the founder of the most deeply developed philosophical and psychological theory of activity.
    And now, Lev Rubinstein, don’t understand which poet, don’t understand which “conceptualist” ... but, in fact, a propagandist of Bandera and Nazism request
  21. Savl
    Savl April 1 2018 15: 52
    0
    Maybe you should make the West pro-Russian? And their methods?