Military representatives received a bribe for the "fake" BMP?

It is reported about the end of the preliminary investigation of previously initiated criminal cases in the Kurgan region. We are talking about criminal cases initiated against the former executive director of the company "Kurganmashzavod". Alexander Klyuzhev, as well as the head of one of the military missions of the Russian Ministry of Defense Yevgeny Sutormin and his deputy, Lieutenant Colonel Mikhail Shambatuev, are accused of corruption crimes.

Informational portal Nakanure.ru reports that Klyuzhev bribed representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in the amount of 80 thousand rubles for signing documents, according to which the 3949 military mission of the Ministry of Defense allegedly checked and approved the quality manufacturing of the BMP-3 batch as part of the execution of the state contract.

In fact, armored vehicles were assembled at the plant for several more months.

From the material:

Now criminal cases are sent to the Ural district military court in Yekaterinburg for consideration on the merits. At present, the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation in the Kurgan Region is conducting a range of operational investigative activities aimed at identifying additional episodes of unlawful activity at the Kurganmashzavod.

Information is specified.

Comments

[DanSabaka]

80 thousand rubles? .... seriously? .... so FSE cheaper? .....
yes, the people are fading ....

[poquello]

Quote: DanSabaka

80 thousand rubles? .... seriously? .... so FSE cheaper? .....
yes, the people are fading ....

which is doubtful, 80 tyr well, about nothing

[Logall]

No one will get dirty because of such a small amount!
Maybe the accused gave a bribe in order to reduce the alleged amount of the bribe? I believe in this, but not in the amount of 80000 rubles!

[poquello]

Quote: Logall

No one will get dirty because of such a small amount! Maybe the accused gave a bribe in order to reduce the alleged amount of the bribe? I believe in this, but not in the amount of 80000 rubles!

maybe they intercepted some tips, and maybe in the Criminal Code there is no concept of "tips" in the news how a bribe sounds

[Logall]

Quote: poquello

tipped intercepted

Tipping for loyalty and ordinary negligence ... Maybe they took the drunk ... Maybe something else ... Or maybe it was the last tranche, of which there were at least a hundred ...

[For example]

In fact, armored vehicles were assembled at the plant for several more months.

This is interesting. What kind of accounting at the factory? This is how you can collect what is already shipped.
And all this disgraced S organized for 80 thousand. rubles.
Yes, cats can earn more.
See the classics comrades thieves.
Some garbage is written in this note.
I heard a ring, but I don’t know where he is.

[Andrey K]

Quote: Logall

... Nobody will get dirty because of such a small amount! ...

I suspect that this is an "exhaust" to the organized company with a single day of acceptance.
Most likely the plant was delayed for some reason, with the release of a batch of equipment under a state contract. They decided to cover themselves with papers and sign an act with a military representative.
For what, rightly and received.

[Stiletto_711]

Quote: Logall

No one will get dirty because of such a small amount!

And what in fact are they accused of them? The plant did not have time to fulfill the state contract. The military representative waved the documents on the acceptance of the machines, which were completed a couple of months. In fact, nothing is stolen except time. According to this principle, it is necessary to transplant the entire Department of providing the state defense order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, how much time it takes ... t when concluding state contracts

[Lopatov]

Are you sure that there was no pressure on the military representative?

[poquello]

Quote: Spade

Are you sure that there was no pressure on the military representative?

I didn’t hold a candle, what confidence there can be in one thing, one side accepts, one side passes, the terms probably envisage (IMHO unreasonably) they sanctioned high, a formal event on defense and what else does not affect

[vova1973]

of course crushed

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Spade

Are you sure that there was no pressure on the military representative?

how? Chained to a heating radiator in a workshop and beaten with a piece of wire until he signed the paper? VP is an independent structure, and the plant cannot order them anything. Only ask - within reason. The military representative, if he wants, can arrange a "sweet life" for both the plant and the design bureau.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gregory_45

how? Chained to a heating radiator in a workshop and beaten with a piece of wire until he signed the paper?

What for? They just said "we know where you live, where your wife works and what school the children go to ..." And no radiators or chains.
Do you even understand what kind of money we are talking about?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Spade

They just said "we know where you live, where your wife works and what school the children go to ..." And no radiators or chains.

Sorry, you write nonsense. The times of the 90s have passed. At least in this area.

Quote: Spade

Do you even understand what kind of money we are talking about?

the article also says - 80 thousand. I can say that the amount is ridiculous. People get more per month, and quite officially. Why bother? And don’t need about the disruption of the state defense order, about treason, and so on - this is for those who are near-by. There was nothing of the kind. In general, it seems that everything is great far-fetched.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gregory_45

Sorry, you write nonsense. The times of the 90s have passed. At least in this area.

It is intended. 8)))))))))))))))))))
Now there are all honest and silver-free.

Quote: Gregory_45

the article also says - 80 thousand. I can say that the amount is ridiculous.

Could and less, the main thing is to mess up the military representative with a crime. So as not to blather about what is not supposed to.
Although yes, they are all honest and silver-free ...

Quote: Gregory_45

And don’t need about the disruption of the state defense order, about treason, and so on - this is for those who are near-by.

What treason? This is a lot of money. As fines. And the guys in the Netherlands are clearly not the ones who "get into position"

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Spade

It is intended. 8)))))))))))))))))))

It’s good that you laugh) I hope you understand who and what, and this is not a laugh for no reason? The times of threats and mordrbitia are gone, now they are trying to resolve issues in a more civilized way - through money. So both “Samu Verezhu” and “Sereberebrenniki” - all not to the cash register.

Quote: Spade

Could and less, the main thing is to mess up the military representative with a crime. So as not to blather about what is not supposed to.

Do you know all the ins and outs of history? In general, what are your judgments based on? On this article from VO from which practically nothing is clear? Then I bow to your talent, Baba Vanga is just resting. Will you enlighten us?

Quote: Spade

This is a lot of money. As fines

the only bright thought) You can, when you want)

[Stiletto_711]

Quote: Spade

What for? They just said "we know where you live, where your wife works and what school the children go to ..." And no radiators or chains.
Do you even understand what kind of money we are talking about?

Do not smack nonsense It’s unlikely that money was discussed at all, for a couple of three months delays in the implementation of state defense orders could press the director, possibly turn out of office.
Anyway, the sane head of the Military District of the Defense Ministry is well aware that with the onset of a military pension, it would be nice to find a job in the same company where I headed the accredited acceptance, and it is advisable to get a leading highly paid position. Our unforgettable striped “partners” practice this practice all the time, so-called “revolving door effect”

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Gregory_45

Quote: Spade

Are you sure that there was no pressure on the military representative?

how? Chained to a heating radiator in a workshop and beaten with a piece of wire until he signed the paper? VP is an independent structure, and the plant cannot order them anything. Only ask - within reason. The military representative, if he wants, can arrange a "sweet life" for both the plant and the design bureau.

You do not know. What other levers there are. Starting from the apartment. According to the law on VP, it is the plant that is obliged to provide an apartment. As office housing. Telephone, company car, office equipment in the office, additional staffing for auxiliary employees of the military reception. Not members of the VP, but working for this service. The staff of the plant’s engineers, the staff, hundreds of greyhounds, he can turn the brains of any warrior. Prove the unprovable and glue the unreproducible. To disgrace, having caught on inaccuracies, and to fill up complaints about incompetence to the heads of VP. REMOVED. Why the hell to the district
head of the VP to get into a squabble?
And exiled to the troops, to a remote garrison. To know where the edge. I am well acquainted with this matter, for I have worked under these conditions for several years.

[Grigory_45]

Oh, you all seem to know a lot) I gave ten years to this plant (or rather, design bureau), and as a result of my duty I had to communicate with PZ. You are telling some tales directly) In general, the management of the design bureau, plant and PZ are trying to live peacefully with each other, on the principle of "don’t spit in the well" and "you are me - I am for you, service for service." But it also happened that in our showdowns, we had to get into the general’s, and believe me, this is just a “warrior” from the PP that can make any designer’s brain. Just not signing the document or not accepting the car (to find fault. If desired, there is always something to be found). If you consider all military soldiers as near-by, you are greatly mistaken

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Gregory_45

Oh, you all seem to know a lot) I gave ten years to this plant (or rather, design bureau), and as a result of my duty I had to communicate with PZ. You are telling some tales directly) In general, the management of the design bureau, plant and PZ are trying to live peacefully with each other, on the principle of "don’t spit in the well" and "you are me - I am for you, service for service." But it also happened that in our showdowns, we had to get into the general’s, and believe me, this is just a “warrior” from the PP that can make any designer’s brain. Just not signing the document or not accepting the car (to find fault. If desired, there is always something to be found). If you consider all military soldiers as near-by, you are greatly mistaken

Have you tried it? To whom? TO THE DESIGNER? I would look at a major who could compete with me in technical wilds. With me. by the developer. He is competent in matters. agreed in advance with them. And signed. What is beyond the scope, I know an order of magnitude ..... Not because of talent, but because there can be no other way. Otherwise, I have no right to occupy this position. Clearly, the training affected, and NO ONE who worked at the plant, especially after working for some time, was quite .... Atrocious in the container shop. Fracturing and knotting of the boards of boxes. Everything was forgiven him here. To stop the production of a gas analyzer, or a low-voltage ship, the system of the object’s coolant system is ..... without measures that exhaust the shortcomings, resume reception? This is to remain without shoulder straps. And the events, as a rule, turned around financing and updating the machinery. For THIS, he was definitely a corporal and in part, to the Far East he could rattle.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Vkd dvk

I would look at a major who could compete with me in technical wilds.

the point is not that. No one with the developer is able to compete in the design nuances, the main iceberg does not even know the main one - for if he delves into all the nuances, he will lose the big picture. For enlightenment of high rank, there are department heads and leading engineers. The higher the seat, the more politics, less technology. This is the nuance - to speak the same language with a person, because otherwise you can’t explain anything and you won’t achieve a positive result. Not every good designer is also a good politician, and, as you know, they don’t go to someone else’s monastery with their charter.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Gregory_45

Quote: Vkd dvk

I would look at a major who could compete with me in technical wilds.

the point is not that. No one with the developer is able to compete in the design nuances, the main iceberg does not even know the main one - for if he delves into all the nuances, he will lose the big picture. For enlightenment of high rank, there are department heads and leading engineers. The higher the seat, the more politics, less technology. This is the nuance - to speak the same language with a person, because otherwise you can’t explain anything and you won’t achieve a positive result. Not every good designer is also a good politician, and, as you know, they don’t go to someone else’s monastery with their charter.

For many years of work, they taught me that I feed the ideas of the authorities. It depends on ME on the profit of the enterprise. And I’m responsible for everything. If I try to hide behind the orders of the authorities, here’s the paper for you, write a statement for the calculation. They will evaluate me by the way my product is received. And I can’t go to work at all. I can live here, nobody cares.
Therefore, it was better not to mess with me. You can ask the lead designer. It’s impossible to force.

[DanSabaka]

but, I hope, they will give it as a normal bribe, in fact, and not for the amount ..... and it would not be bad here to betray the homeland too ....

[Lopatov]

Quote: DanSabaka

and it would not be bad here to file a betrayal of the homeland ....

Great offer. Only betrayal of the Motherland should be sewn not to this particular military representative, but to the "revivers" of the institute of military representatives. Starting from Shoigu. Well, at the same time to all the author-journalists who on this occasion threw caps into the air.

Capitalism and the institution of military representatives are incompatible by default.

[voyaka uh]

It works great in America. Without any bribes. All absolutely firms are private. And the military from the Pentagon is taking the equipment. The bakshish bribe is, in principle, an eastern phenomenon. Russia took it from the Tatar-Mongol. It penetrated beyond the West, but slightly relative to the east.

[Lopatov]

Quote: voyaka uh

It works great in America.

How can what does not work "perfectly"?

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: voyaka uh

It works great in America. Without any bribes. All absolutely firms are private. And the military from the Pentagon is taking the equipment. The bakshish bribe is, in principle, an eastern phenomenon. Russia took it from the Tatar-Mongol. It penetrated beyond the West, but slightly relative to the east.

Enlightened Europe, and beyond it, the States, shy of such a shameful phenomenon, cultivated it and called it lobbying for interests. Transferring from the domestic floor to the state.

[APASUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

It works great in America. Without any bribes. All absolutely firms are private. And the military from the Pentagon is taking the equipment. The bakshish bribe is, in principle, an eastern phenomenon. Russia took it from the Tatar-Mongol. It penetrated beyond the West, but slightly relative to the east.

I don’t even know how to object to you, so as not to offend.
When you are drawing knights in white cloaks from the Pentagon, you are sorting through, do you know the concept of American lobbyism and how does it specifically differ from a bribe? What scandals periodically arise in the United States, where you can meet with the President of the country for money, but this is called lobbying the meeting.
Do not remember the "Boeing case with toilets on planes"? Where the installation of the toilet in the Boeing for the Air Force in my opinion was three times more expensive than the civilian version of the aircraft and the Pentagon accepted and even paid.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: APASUS

I don’t even know how to object to you, so as not to offend

My friend! How can one suspect the "civilized West" and the citizens of the "promised land" in such a dirty business as a bribe?

Quote: APASUS

Do you know the concept of American lobbyism and how does it specifically differ from a bribe?

Yes, you sho? Everything is politically correct - rename the term a bribe to "support for the manufacturer" and give the status of the law ...
It’s us, the bastards, out of habit, we put it in our pocket .... We eat hedgehogs from hunger, we go to the Internet "by coupons" .... Is it tama - continuous democracy ....
And in everything, mind you, again the Tatars with the Mongols are to blame ....

[APASUS]

Quote: stalkerwalker

My friend! How can one suspect the "civilized West" and the citizens of the "promised land" in such a dirty business as a bribe

What are you, what are you. This is me out of ignorance, because people from the promised land do not breathe air, but pure oxygen! Earth walks without touching that Jesus, and bribes are convicted of the right word

Quote: stalkerwalker

Yes, you sho? Everything is politically correct - rename the term a bribe to "support for the manufacturer" and give the status of the law ...

Yes, here they have no equal!
Come to the tavern and give a partner a drink before signing the contract, and in the tax return this column sounds like entertainment expenses. Everything was purely by law, they did not offer greyhound puppies!

[voyaka uh]

A lobbyist is an official who is officially registered as promoting the interests of a company. And everyone knows that this company pays him. And accordingly, with his words, protecting, promoting the products of this company, the rest are skeptical.
The amount that the company pays him is known. It pays tax to the state.
Nothing to do with a bribe. Lobbying is an official advertisement.

[APASUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

Nothing to do with a bribe. Lobbying is an official advertisement.

Well then, if everything is simple, what are the problems then? What is the essence of emerging problems and scandals.

[Clumsy]

Quote: voyaka uh

The amount that the company pays him is known. It pays tax to the state.

If you pay taxes from a bribe, then it turns into lobbying in short did not share, got into prison, shared, honor and respect hmm, where did I hear that?

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: voyaka uh

A lobbyist is an official who is officially registered as promoting the interests of a company. And everyone knows that this company pays him. And accordingly, with his words, protecting, promoting the products of this company, the rest are skeptical.
The amount that the company pays him is known. It pays tax to the state.
Nothing to do with a bribe. Lobbying is an official advertisement.

I started to cry. Absolutely disinterested people circle dances, holding hands and singing children's songs about name-days and loaves. Just some are at the service of others. And the main task of the state is not to miss taxes and correctly calculate. Budget losses from these harmless dances do not bother anyone. The main thing is that the suit is sitting!
Here or you- ..... or others you think .......

[AID.S]

Quote: voyaka uh

The bakshish bribe is, in principle, an eastern phenomenon. Russia took it from the Tatar-Mongol. It penetrated the West, but slightly relative to the East

In the West - noble corruption. Well, or business: sell Indian glass beads for land, or lentil stew to my brother .....

[Grigory_45]

you don’t just have to talk about America, where, in principle, a bribe is legalized.

[voyaka uh]

See above my post about what lobbying is.

[Grigory_45]

that's about this very thing and had in mind. Lobbying is legal corruption. You can legitimize prostitution, and let the priestesses of love pay tax. Will something change dramatically in the phenomenon itself?

[voyaka uh]

"Lobbying is legalized corruption" ////

Lobbying is advertising for money.
They are always skeptical of lobbyists because they understand
that their arguments are biased.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: voyaka uh

Lobbying is money advertising

Lobbying is forcing the right, “right” decision through the civil servant responsible for making such a decision. In exchange for some benefits (tangible or not). It wasn’t even close with advertising) With corruption it was very close, because the solution needed by the lobbyist (and the structure that hired him) is corny bought. In general, in the modern world, various forms of lobbying flourish, including those that can only be called corrupt and criminal. But of course. in the West, everything is exceptionally white and fluffy, and all people have a halo (just a battery sometimes sit down) and wings (you cannot see from under the clothes, and they are like angels have).

Quote: voyaka uh

They are always skeptical of lobbyists because they understand
that their arguments are biased

no matter how you feel about it, if it really works. The result is important

[voyaka uh]

a “right” decision through a civil servant,
responsible for making such a decision "////

But EVERYONE knows about this. It is known how much, and for what.
And the “right” decision can be easily reversed and protested,
precisely because the official is an official lobbyist.
Unlike a bribe, which is a mystery.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Spade

Quote: DanSabaka

and it would not be bad here to file a betrayal of the homeland ....

Great offer. Only betrayal of the Motherland should be sewn not to this particular military representative, but to the "revivers" of the institute of military representatives. Starting from Shoigu. Well, at the same time to all the author-journalists who on this occasion threw caps into the air.

Capitalism and the institution of military representatives are incompatible by default.

You are stupid for stupidity. Apparently, in the maternity hospital from where they brought you, there were no representatives of the customer. So officially called military representatives.
And you were released incomplete, you forgot to insert your brains.

Where did you find capitalism in a purely state defense industry? Where did you find negative signs in the resumption of military acceptance? Yes, it is everywhere, including those in the United States. She does not look there, but she is.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Vkd dvk

You are stupid for stupidity. Apparently, in the maternity hospital from where they brought you, there were no representatives of the customer. So officially called military representatives.
And you were released incomplete, you forgot to insert your brains.

Arguments - just shine 8)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
With such defenders Shoigu and opponents do not need 8))))))))))))))))))))))

Quote: Vkd dvk

Where did you find capitalism in a purely state defense industry?

Child, learn the materiel ... 8)))))))))))))))))))
Where did you manage to make out "purely state-owned defense industry" in Russia?
Or is the very "Kurganmashzavod" in your alternative reality not a public corporation, but a state unitary enterprise?
All participation of the state in its activities is to earn income through Vnesheconombank. And for some reason, through the Netherlands.

[AID.S]

Quote: Spade

Child, learn the materiel ...

Bravo!!!!! Long time ago such feverish and self-confident did not meet here ....

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Vkd dvk

You are stupid for stupidity. Apparently, in the maternity hospital from where they brought you, there were no representatives of the customer. So officially called military representatives.
And you were released incomplete, you forgot to insert your brains.

Arguments - just shine 8)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
With such defenders Shoigu and opponents do not need 8))))))))))))))))))))))

Quote: Vkd dvk

Where did you find capitalism in a purely state defense industry?

Child, learn the materiel ... 8)))))))))))))))))))
Where did you manage to make out "purely state-owned defense industry" in Russia?
Or is the very "Kurganmashzavod" in your alternative reality not a public corporation, but a state unitary enterprise?
All participation of the state in its activities is to earn income through Vnesheconombank. And for some reason, through the Netherlands.

Name at least ONE enterprise that produces defense industry and is in private hands.
Don't you know that any open joint stock company, closed joint stock company, and any other structure has a government stake, with a decisive vote? And the leaders of these companies are appointed by the President of Russia? Maybe Rogozin, engaged in Rosvooruzhenie, is a private trader? Or is he in the rank of deputy. premiere?

[Don]

How awesome you are however and most importantly smart

Quote: Vkd dvk

And you were released incomplete, you forgot to insert your brains.

And what turns of speech you own - brilliance! They didn’t try to send their compositions to Murzilka’s magazine, they would obviously appreciate
If you just haven’t left yet after Friday’s feast, then lie down, sleep, you don’t need to rush at people like a mad dog

[kirgiz58]

Everything is much simpler than you think. A loud heading and a swollen elephant from a fly. The article was read carefully. In the end, the army received the BMP, just a few months late. I do not condone the military envoys, but most likely the plan was on fire with the breeders, the premiums were covered, so they asked me to sign before, and, accordingly, they also wrote out the award. All the same, the final receivers are the troops. Until they arrive for acceptance, after a report on the readiness of the contract, more than one month passes. During this time, the breeders would have completed the production. But it’s more profitable for prosecutors to inflate a “bribe” rather than “tear off” the breeders' leadership for failure to meet deadlines. It is a pity to the military representatives, they succumbed to the persuasion of the managers about supposedly "think about simple hard workers." In short, it’s not worth a damn.

[helmi8]

Quote: kirgiz58

All the same, the final receivers are the troops.

This is true. The work of the military representative does not consist in the acceptance of each instance of equipment or weapons. He examined one, found flaws - the whole batch is rejected. And the factory directors know this and always try to be very good friends with military representatives. As for the terms of manufacture and delivery, this is a headache for the director, not the military representative ...

[kirgiz58]

Quote: helmi8

As for the terms of manufacture and delivery, this is a headache for the director, not the military representative ...

And what did I write about?

Quote: helmi8

He examined one, found flaws - the whole batch is rejected

Then there will be no ready-made "parties" at all.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: helmi8

Quote: kirgiz58

All the same, the final receivers are the troops.

This is true. The work of the military representative does not consist in the acceptance of each instance of equipment or weapons. He examined one, found flaws - the whole batch is rejected. And the factory directors know this and always try to be very good friends with military representatives. As for the terms of manufacture and delivery, this is a headache for the director, not the military representative ...

Of course not. The selection, number of products, timing and order of presentation for acceptance is agreed upon by the methodology and rules of acceptance itself. These documents are developed, approved jointly, and implemented. Moreover, part of the products (and any manufactured, part or the whole is, in terms of terminology, the product, and so, any part is accepted in accordance, some parts are completely, and at all stages of production, at all operations, some selectively. And after acceptance OTK: Everything is agreed and approved.

[Falcond]

and it would not be bad here to file a betrayal of the homeland ....

and you’re going to sew the same thing in your pursuit ... for in this case, the Motherland is written with a capital letter! Or is your homeland different ????
And Vakh’s logic is lame ... according to your understanding, you can sew a betrayal for any crime!

[DanSabaka]

any, not any, but in the field of public defense, treason can and should be filed to the cause ....

[Falcond]

Quote: DanSabaka

any, not any, but in the field of public defense, treason can and should be filed to the cause ....

Before making populist statements, first take an interest in such legal categories as high treason, corruption and what is the difference between them !!! With people like you, we will soon get to the point that a bolt was stolen at a state-owned enterprise — a traitor to the Motherland!
Before you blurt out something, no one forces you to .., but I will tell you a secret - no one forbids ... so take this opportunity!

[DanSabaka]

Apparently, you are lobbying for the interests of those who steal bolts from state enterprises? Otherwise, how to interpret your words? ....
and I did not call to confuse high treason with corruption .... these are 2 different articles .... but if there is a fact of both acts, then let the court decide where the more serious crime is ....

[Falcond]

And they didn’t come up with something smarter than convict me of something ??? It’s probably hard to be an uneducated person ... you constantly have to figure out how to seem smarter through populism ???
Then for you personally:
"treason includes: switching to the side of the enemy during the war; issuing state secrets and espionage; separate negotiations with the enemy against the will of the government and others"
Do you think that the theft of bolts and a bribe will also fit here ???

[DanSabaka]

and so on .... quote yourself .....
disruption of GOZ, and assistance in hiding ..... this is a little more serious than stealing a bolt .....

[Falcond]

Failure of GOZ is a failure of GOZ !!! Disruption of the sowing campaign is the disruption of the sowing campaign! You devils seem at all ??? Do not distort!

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: DanSabaka

Apparently, you are lobbying for the interests of those who steal bolts from state enterprises? Otherwise, how to interpret your words? ....
and I did not call to confuse high treason with corruption .... these are 2 different articles .... but if there is a fact of both acts, then let the court decide where the more serious crime is ....

What nonsense! One that requires legality is an accomplice? This is paranoia, comrade.

[nesvobodnye]

80 tyr about anything

So the documents were “about nothing”, only in terms of a shift - the plan was on fire or the fines threatened the plant.

[siberalt]

So they have such money in general for a bribe are not considered. And for some it is a pension for a year.

[Ascetic]

Quote: poquello

which is doubtful, 80 tyr well, about nothing

I have such a monthly salary, along with bonuses and business trips, also in the office associated with the military-industrial complex. There was some kind of setup, they worked in the East five years ago, they offered 10 American rubles for signature, the investigation is still ongoing, I was tired of giving evidence.

[Hanokem]

I do not believe . Cut and rollback occurs in America and Ukraine, but not in Russia

[poquello]

Quote: Hanokem

I do not believe . Cut and rollback occurs in America and Ukraine, but not in Russia

tighten the gear before ironing, a very small amount

[Pereira]

The amount is so small that there is a suspicion of fabrication of the case. Really could not show anything. There was only the cost of souvenir products.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Hanokem

I do not believe . Cut and rollback occurs in America and Ukraine, but not in Russia

And in Israel, Tipo, all honestly ..? heh heh ...
Many of our thieves are hiding from you .. And all the schemes you are developing ..!
But seriously shoot them both from the same BMP, in front of a formation of soldiers!

[Falcond]

But seriously shoot them both from the same BMP, in front of a formation of soldiers!

Vitaliy, due to a possible poor-quality assembly (an occasion for a bribe), an infantry fighting vehicle may not shoot ... then there will be even more shame ...
And it’s not humane somehow ... Or have you already shot people of their large caliber before you ??? Then it’s suggested that you personally push the trigger!

[Hanokem]

Kim Jong-grandson was already shooting uncle from a 120-mm mortar. What a smart little boy, the idol of many in VO

[nesvobodnye]

No ... we have a lot of corruption, they are cleaning it, but not fast enough yet. Although there are already excellent results - as before, a doctor, a petty official or traffic cop, a controller in an electric train can no longer get a bribe. But money is still attractive, so when there is an apparent opportunity to profit, they still try to take it. Therefore, we are very jealous of China and organisms work. Well done.
And to you - thank you for worrying about us, from an alien to us Israel.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Hanokem

I do not believe . Sawing and rollback occurs in America and Ukraine,

You did not understand. The surprise was not caused by the rollback itself, but by the amount of 80 thousand rubles. Someone wanted to buy ... an iPhone. Like this. So, they steal everywhere and always - Bibi will not let you lie. If they put him in, vote for Tzipi Livni, a woman who is pleasant in every way.

[Hanokem]

Never in my life. Tzipi Livni is a leftist, ready to give the Arabs everything they want. And the case against Bibi is still very much like a balloon

[kirgiz58]

Quote: Hanokem

I do not believe . Cut and rollback occurs in America and Ukraine, but not in Russia

And where is the cut and rollback? BMP in the troops and at the initial cost.

[Click]

The more the state fights corruption, the more bribes by the amount of the bribe you can understand how they fight it (corruption)

[poquello]

Quote: Click

The more the state fights corruption, the more bribes by the amount of the bribe you can understand how they fight it (corruption)

very thoughtful stupidity

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Click

The more the state fights corruption, the more bribes

Like, for the risk? Well, then, say, trillions should be rolled back in China.

[Click]

And so it is! for pennies of posts they lose and not for three, five years but for life!

[jovanni]

Quote: DanSabaka

80 thousand rubles? .... seriously? .... so FSE cheaper? .....
yes, the people are fading ....

Yes, they won’t get to London ...

[svp67]

Quote: DanSabaka

80 thousand rubles? .... seriously? .... so FSE cheaper? .....
yes, the people are fading ....

I hope that the punishment will be SERIOUS. Yes, in such a way that it became clear to everyone, being the "sovereign's eye" at the reception of weapons, fulfill YOUR DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY in good faith.

[Anti-Corr.]

Quote: svp67

I hope that the punishment will be SERIOUS.

One was punished with a state duty, and his property was even returned to the woman.

[Piramidon]

Quote: DanSabaka

80 thousand rubles? .... seriously?

So it for them for two! On cigarettes or what? Each month receives more.

[PSih2097]

Quote: DanSabaka

80 thousand rubles? .... seriously? .... so FSE cheaper? .....

if there was a bribe, then the amount is an order of magnitude greater, precedents from diamond-antea are recalled ...

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: DanSabaka

80 thousand rubles? .... seriously? .... so FSE cheaper? .....
yes, the people are fading ....

It is not the people in the province that are becoming smaller, and the public in the capitals is very fat. In Moscow, a lieutenant colonel in a similar position for less than 80 thousand dollars and would not talk.

[Artek]

bye, that’s all Zakharchenko was grabbing, so that he couldn’t fit into the house.

“As a result, the deputy head of the“ T ”Directorate of the GUEBiPK was detained,” the Russian Interior Ministry said. - The specified event was carried out as part of a criminal case instituted on the grounds of a crime under Article 285 of the Criminal Code of Russia “Abuse of official authority”.

As you can see, the police pointed to an article that provides for a prison term of up to ten years, but they did not say how much was seized during the searches.

According to some reports, more than eight billion rubles were found at the colonel’s house. In cash! Money counted all night.

We have such orders that billions go there, well, except for the real production sector, there is always no money there. You just need to be closer to the banks, there is money, and in the defense, what money? So a penny, and therefore cheap bribes.

[dog breeder]

Sabotage! Shoot!!!

[san4es]

Quote: dog breeder

Sabotage! Shoot!!!

... from BMP-3

[Cadet]

Why shoot, just for eternal settlement, together with relatives in the Kurgan region in the village of Kosobrodsk, or Yagodnaya and he will give everything himself.

[bald]

The amount is not so important as the signing of fake documents. Then you can vparivat marriage. Share the defendant.

[kirgiz58]

Quote: bald

Then you can vparivat marriage.

Marriage does not vparit. The receivers from the troops will arrive and the breeders will remake them a hundred times until they eliminate the shortcomings. Even those that the receivers themselves "organize."

[bald]

He specifically worked and handed over to military customers. Unfortunately, a specialist can vparit. One of the reasons for picking. Upon delivery - a ride, and in extreme use will pop up.

[kirgiz58]

Quote: bald

Unfortunately, a specialist can steal

If a specialist arrives from the troops, it is unlikely.

[bald]

This is of course true, but we had cases when a complaint (failure, failure) came after half a year of work. In short, they took the "wise men" and well, unfortunately this is not the first and not the last case.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: bald

He specifically worked and handed over to military customers. Unfortunately, a specialist can vparit. One of the reasons for picking. Upon delivery - a ride, and in extreme use will pop up.

Will pop up in simple operation, not even extreme.
When replacing materials (suppliers bought defective metal or plastic, or the wrong brand) at the factory, without input control, no specialist can detect any defects, but in operation a complete ass can occur: at least a failure, at least an accident, at least a catastrophe.

[bald]

That's right, I did not describe all the shortcomings.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

When replacing materials (suppliers bought defective metal or plastic, or the wrong brand)

Do you understand that Any the replacement is agreed with the design bureau, and without his signature no one is entitled to put anything on the car that is not provided for by the design documentation? For this, the hands can be torn off - in the sense that the seats are lost only on the road. If this is a supplier’s marriage, then there is its own mechanism, reclamation, etc., and more simply will not work with this. And the design bureau will not give sanction to put something unchecked - there are also procedures for this, for example, designing TK, making a prototype and drawing up its tests with an act that will give reason to say that replacement is possible. The main disease of our military-industrial complex is a failure to meet the deadlines, for the most part - according to the “purchase”, products of co-contractors and third parties. So it happens, it happens, ready-made cases without engines or any equipment. It is not difficult to weld the body and assemble it - it is enough to bring people in three shifts and on weekends if it burns very much. That's when there is nothing to put - a different conversation, even if you bring the whole crowd out - she still can not do anything.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

No mercy for corrupt pests !!!

[Falcond]

Something cheaper ... actually for one salary caught ...

[Observer2014]

gave a bribe to representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in the amount of 80 thousand rubles for signing documents

I will not read further.

[Falcond]

The news is like in the Soviet "Fetil" ... petty .. but you have to make it shown !! What for? It concerns such a small circle of persons that it’s not even interesting!

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: FalconD

The news is like in the Soviet "Fetil" ... petty .. but you have to make it shown !! What for? It concerns such a small circle of persons that it’s not even interesting!

You are mistaken. This is a completely typical situation for almost all defense industry enterprises. And the insignificance of the amount is compensated by the regularity of its receipt.

[Zomanus]

That kind of annoying information in our difficult times ...

[gukoyan]

And what gave so little ???)))
Would give more, no one knew about this fraud))))
And I really thought that they missed the extra zero ...

[nathanael]

I remember after the war, the Air Marshal and his cousin, the Minister of Aircraft Engineering, were imprisoned for about the same action. They left the prison, but they were later declared victims of Stalinism.

[Strashila]

80 000 ... so he has a monthly salary many times more ... some bullshit, maybe for every day ... for 31, for 32, for 33 and so on. And if the documents were signed ... then why the equipment was not in demand and sent to the troops ... what was stored for several months at the factory according to the documents ... ???

[sib.ataman]

For corruption in the military-industrial complex to punish as a betrayal of the homeland! It is a pity there is no hard labor in the Criminal Code.

[Prisoner]

Today, the honor of some officers has fallen in price. On the field would be such scum disgraceful epaulets.

[Palagecha]

Nothing in the Russian army is changing ... only the number of baptized people is growing ... who are not afraid of God and take bribes ..

[Mengad]

Quote: DanSabaka

80 thousand rubles? .... seriously? .... so FSE cheaper? .....
yes, the people are fading ....

Conscience is sold for 500 rubles ... and you are talking about 80 kk

[Mengad]

Quote: svp67

Quote: DanSabaka

80 thousand rubles? .... seriously? .... so FSE cheaper? .....
yes, the people are fading ....

I hope that the punishment will be SERIOUS. Yes, in such a way that it became clear to everyone, being the "sovereign's eye" at the reception of weapons, fulfill YOUR DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY in good faith.

Yes? Something you do not demand punishment for officials who steal millions or even billions The investigation will show who is right and who is to blame.

[kapitan281271]

What a serious crime, I now have two or three contractors completing contracts that were closed back in October last year, but this is stsuka in general, in our country it’s normal practice, like the end of the year, the end of the quarter, etc., etc. Yes another 100% boss so let's sign the brains do not. This is what someone needed a place or military. the prosecutor shows the work, so for that gender. RUSSIA can be transplanted.

[senima56]

They said: "To equate corruption in the defense industry with treason!"

[Wolka]

even the cheapest bribes in the Kurgan region ...

[afrikanez]

The commission seems to have come to check the water meters, and they immediately have 80 "oblique" ones in their pocket, so that the BMP will be accepted!

[Evil 55]

80 tr for officer's honor and conscience? Have the gentlemen the military commissars made a cheap bargain?

[Sergey-72]

[quoteNo mercy to corrupt pests !!!] [/ quote]
They should send the guys to motorized rifle brigades, let the companies in the fields lay eggs * in the mud to attack. But who will send them?

[Hiller]

somehow muddy ... 80 tyrov ??? yes for three ..... grunt

[serezhasoldatow]

We were introduced, but they didn’t write about it at all.

[Skif83]

Quote: poquello

Quote: DanSabaka

80 thousand rubles? .... seriously? .... so FSE cheaper? .....
yes, the people are fading ....

which is doubtful, 80 tyr well, about nothing

They just cover up some other fraud.
Another thing is surprising, is there really a bribery in the Putin Army? It can't be! Yo
If a stool was patted on the head, then ... there is NO corruption in the army! And GDP is the most re-rated and the most-most ..., all that its officials do is also all the most-most ...
For example, if Dvorkovich announced a tax increase, then he is also the very, very ...
If someone else believes in some kind of justice and honesty of the authorities, let him ask an elementary question: - Why does the government, if it feels itself beloved and supported by the people, raise taxes after the elections?
Well, there is a vital need - announce to the people before the elections, we will raise taxes because the country is in danger ...
Well, they can’t! The question will immediately arise, but the whole country is in danger, or on Russian rubles - not really? Why again, first of all, should the people throw off the danger, and not the oligarchs who breed in Russia, like nowhere else?
And since now in the non-resource-based economy only the defense industry really works for us, where is corruption? Where do the legs of freshly grown mullers grow from?

[Grigory_45]

voyaka uh,

Quote: voyaka uh

Unlike a bribe, which is a mystery

therefore called legalized corruption. But the essence is the same