US spending on operations abroad most of all the defense budget of Russia

The US Congress approved part of the expenditure plan (budget) for the current year. We are still talking about approving the amount of 1,3 trillion dollars (this is not the whole budget-2018). If the congressmen had not voted to approve this part of the budget, the US federal government would have been in an extremely difficult situation in terms of implementing the announced projects.

It is noteworthy that the lion’s share of the amount approved by the US Congress is military spending. Moreover, these expenses, as stated in the United States themselves, are a record for the last time.

Thus, the US Congress allocates billions of dollars to 700 directly for "defense". In addition, $ 10,1 billion is allocated to military construction projects. Almost another 185,5 billion dollars will be used to service the needs of the Department of Veterans Affairs (pensions, social benefits).

It is intended to increase the money allowance of US military personnel by 2,4%, by 21% to increase funding in the field of defense research and development, as well as in military procurement.

During the discussion of the financing of the Pentagon, the head of the committee on the armed forces of the US House of Representatives, Mac Thornberry, said:

We too long asked our troops to do more at lower costs, which was detrimental not only to our army and its equipment, but also to the whole country. President Trump is right in insisting on restoring full-scale funding for military personnel. Our today's step does a lot for this.

It is known that over 65 billions of US dollars are planned to be spent on military operations abroad. For comparison: this is more than the entire defense budget of Russia.

Comments

[newcomer]

The amount is crazy, but not much use.

[Chertt]

As one little-known Russian commander said, “To hit not with the number of money, but with skill”

[newcomer]

which we do.

[Hanokem]

Russia's tragic mistake will be drawn into an arms race with the United States. The economic strength of the two countries is not comparable and the previous attempt to maintain parity with America was worth the collapse of the USSR. The presence of a variety of nuclear weapons in Russia guarantees non-aggression of America on it. If I were a Russian, I would prefer instead of the T-14 and SU-57 to catch up with the West in terms of child mortality, life expectancy, road conditions, welfare, and integrity of the courts and prosecutors

[newcomer]

no one is drawn in, the opposite effect is observed_ the West is trying to catch up with us in quality; The Soviet Union collapsed for completely different reasons; just in medicine, the West has caught up with the Soviet Union’s indicators only now, the Russian Federation will catch up, only the naive can doubt it, only the stupid Russian Federation can deny this 28 years old, given the decline of the 90s and even less; replace the concepts of security with a social room, a favorite dish of the fifth column, do not take their bread. for if there is no Su57 with T14_ then there will be nothing. in our history we already had a kind of wise guy called Khrushchev, I completely killed all the achievements of the scientific research institute, because we have rockets, it came back to us that we had to become a catch-up leader.

[Viktor.12.71]

Quote: newbie

the West is trying to catch up with us in quality;

What? Russia lags behind the West both technologically and financially, how many SU-57s fly and how many F-35s. Feel the difference. We will talk about the Vanguard and other things when they become operational and whether they exist at all.

Quote: newbie

just the same, in medicine, the West caught up with the USSR indicators only now

Medicine in the USSR and in the West had its advantages and disadvantages; high-quality medicine in the USSR was accessible to everyone. And in the West, quality medicine costs a lot of money.

[newcomer]

about the backwardness, well, I’ll not discuss this nonsense. Yes, no, you’re kidding me, I can even admit that quite sincerely_ the whole social group in the West began to rise and align exactly with ours, in order to avoid riots of fermentation in society. Youk and Ikaryok, this is nonsense, as far as I can remember, I did not observe any problems with this. in general, no words.
e, colleague, but you don’t need to play such games with me_ while I wrote the answer to the nonsense, you cleaned up the commentary. No, not an eagle, not a serious one.

[Hanokem]

You quote the lies of Valentin Zorin from the 70s.
Nowadays, he apologized to citizens for his lying reports about America.

[Hanokem]

The Soviet Union overtook the West so much in medicine that when Andropov needed an artificial kidney, they brought her from the hated West

[newcomer]

Regarding your first lie, it’s enough to look at the development of social programs in the West starting from the 70s, in order to understand that they copied our system. your second lie_ means that at that moment, it was in this technologically that the West was ahead of us, no one denies that Meditsyna, as a separate part of the social system, is primarily a science. and because of this, at that moment the West has worshiped us, but! you distort everything for your own excuse, read the amended comment Viktor.12.71 quite revealingly.

[karish]

Quote: newbie

about your first lie_ it’s enough to look at the development of social programs in the west starting from the 70s, to understand, they copied our system

copied
that's a storyteller.

[newcomer]

into people, impenetrable_ that forehead, that forehead. sympathize for a friend. and now listen here, all of your Israel as an average district with us, which is why you are doing these operations in the areas. we do not do this at all in district hospitals, this is done in regional hospitals. and then
that they didn’t bring it, this is a completely different question. but according to the social program, instead of trying to “screw up”, read a little about the evolution of that labor code in the West, you will laugh later, if you can.

[karish]

Quote: newbie

we do not do this at all in district hospitals, this is done in regional hospitals. and then

You somehow contradict yourself
Your reply to the comment

Quote: Hanokem

when you get to a hospital with a heart attack and they don’t open a clogged artery and don’t restore the blood supply to the heart muscle (and this is done in any district hospital in the West within 2 hours of receipt)

Quote: newbie

all of the above is done with us quite ordinary. You obviously suffer from your own propaganda.

so what did you talk about propaganda there?
Israel You better not touch - we really are not an example - we have no districts and the ambulance is in the last resort an hour, and basically half an hour or less.
But you were not given the example of Israel,.

Quote: newbie

but on the social network, instead of saying something like “screw up,” read a little about the evolution of that labor code in the west,

If you copied everything to avoid social troubles (as you say) - then answer me the question why social. the package in the west was much better than in the USSR.
It seems like in order to avoid these shocks it was enough to have the same thing as in the most advanced country in the world where the power of workers, peasants and labor intelligentsia triumphed
And by the way, and shrenase they began to copy it in the 70s?

[newcomer]

let's go in order (well, you are a boring person). 1. stop, I did not say that this is done in the district hospitals; I must admit that I didn’t read the last word “in the West”, I thought an example from Israel. hence the question, are you really sure that there are hospitals in the regional centers of the West, how many of them, if any, eh? no one touches Israel while you are quietly behaving.
so now I don’t understand the point in your comment: is this an example from a zarada, or from Israel? your colleague writes one thing, you say the other, nonsense. there is a good joke about your “do not touch Israel“. the visitor enters the restaurant, they say: closed. he: that is, you do not let me in? answer: yes, it’s closed. the visitor continues: do not let Potgma in, that I am a Jew? they look at him in amazement, repeating: closed. and the visitor: well, because I am a Jew? ... so I ask, is it an example from Israel or not? 2. right up to the 70s. gg, that is, until the end of 60 in your west there were virtually no social. guarantees for workers. about an order of magnitude higher, yes, by the mid-80s, the social package was not in the whole west, in individual countries it was higher. but not everyone got it, that's where the catch is. 3. on the input of your "shrenavam", again I recommend reading a little.

[Click]

Why is Russia 28 years old !? Russia has a thousand-year history !!! The guarantor himself voices this and to whom do you not know this! These are just the names changing! Do you remember the anthem of the USSR? Even in it, not Russia, but Russia sounds, which has united forever! And you don’t have to believe it, otherwise the young people still believe that our country is 30 years old.

[newcomer]

one more decided to be smart. did you read the article? did you follow the meaning of the dialogue in which I stated that the Russian Federation is 28 years old, and taking into account the 90s robbery, is it even worse? you really read / my comment decided that I do not know, have not heard about Russia in general, and it is with 91 that we are holding our term? I explain the meaning of what was said precisely about the growth of a practically collapsed economy, after which everything else will go up. that’s what I said it to.

[Click]

So where did everything accumulated by previous generations go !? I didn’t say that you didn’t know, I asked you! I put a question mark

[newcomer]

most likely you are well informed in this matter. what can I say, the gold and foreign exchange reserve mediocrely missed the last leadership along with the economy. and everything else unfolded from the end of the 80s to the beginning of the 90s_ robbery of both the state, the natural resources, and the citizens themselves. it is so, verratse. and your question is drawn to a separate, extensive theory.

[Click]

Profukalo! For example, myself, I will say this! In 2000, at those prices and salaries, I bought exactly the same amount of goods as in 2017 at the prices and salaries of this year! Ie nothing has grown! Only in 2000 could this afford more people than in 2017 ... this is certainly off topic, but in 2017 there are more people living below the poverty line! Accordingly, the money of these people, somewhere flowed away! There are more billionaires and more poor! I have a question for you, why do you think that money will appear in medicine, as well as in education? In the United States, with their volume of economy, they can afford to spend such amounts, even taking into account corruption, because the money supply, in principle, does not leak anywhere! I do not deify them, but I do not support your optimism! I apologize for the confusion, I am writing from the phone, a little uncomfortable ...

[newcomer]

it's all about the leak of foreign currency abroad. small by small the issue is being decided on this money. in addition, circular sanctions that escalated into an economic war, another important milestone, a massive brain drain in the 90s. and again I repeat_ the robbery, by means of which we have the conveyor system of millionaires. but it is precisely your observation of the 2000s and 2017x_ that is a direct consequence of eq. war against us. in general, looking ahead I can say that we have a lot of work ahead of us according to the laws and the composition of the Cabinet, and much more. big is the topic. There will be an opportunity, it will certainly undergo heated discussion.

[axay032]

My friend, I would not react to every newly baked troll, well, they’re not worth it !!

[Click]

Again, the baked troll, as you put it, was allowed to write here, but it was forbidden to answer the prosecution with the accusation so calm the sick and write on the topic, if you think about it

[gippernano]

Go to the United States with your recommendations and speak out there, no one asked your advice here.

[Hanokem]

Hipperano, when you get to a hospital with a heart attack and you don’t have a clogged artery open and the blood supply to the heart muscle is not restored (and this is done in any district hospital in the West within 2 hours from the moment of admission), so when you are in a heart attack To the Russian hospital and not to receive help - at this moment console yourself with thoughts about Caliber and Crimea, Su-57 and Novorossiya, T-14 and Transnistria

[newcomer]

all of the above is done with us quite ordinary. You obviously suffer from your own propaganda.

[Hanokem]

Within 2 hours of admission to any district hospital? You are either not in the subject, or you are disingenuous ...

[karish]

Quote: newbie

all of the above is done with us quite ordinary. You obviously suffer from your own propaganda.

this is probably why my school friend was taken from the village of Syasstroy (Leningrad Region) to the hospital in Vsevolzhsk, it’s only 3.5 hours drive (maybe in the Volkhov district center, nobody could put a stand on the cardiac artery, they just don’t do it there) - 3.5 hours .--- Not taken. Sanya was 49 years old.
By the way - this happened last year.

[newcomer]

Well, you and the artist, even funny. I don’t know during which time they do this, not because I am “off topic”, but because I am not a doctor. but I know for sure, this is an ordinary, if you can so express, operation for our doctors. What bothers you, what is being done within two hours, or is it a hundred that in general in “barbarian” Russia?

[Andrey K]

Quote: Hanokem

... Hipperano, when you get to a hospital with a heart attack and they don’t open a clogged artery and don’t restore the blood supply to the heart muscle (and this is done in any district hospital in the West within 2 hours of receipt), so when you have a heart attack if you’re lying in a Russian hospital and don’t get help, at this moment console yourself with thoughts about Caliber and Crimea, Su-57 and Novorossiya, T-14 and Transnistria ...

Do not covet evil and do not receive it
Where are you sending your opponent to die?
And the topic of the article is Vaashpe in another steppe.
As for who and what will remember - in order to remember, one must be there. In Transnistria, he pulled a strap - he took part in the disarmament of the poor Moldovan patrizans and any near-Moldavian shelluponi. The Caucasus alternated 50 to 50 with his native home. In Crimea I was proud of
What are you talking about? Were you there to remember in vain and reproach someone?
Nobody is going to die. Medicine at the level. If it is necessary to console ourselves, then we will probably be talking about what has not been achieved, and not what has already been done.
Do not flood, return to the topic of the article

[karish]

Quote: newbie

let's go in order (well, you are a boring person). 1.

Well, the first and nothing to say - you have some kind of incomprehensible set of phrases.

Quote: newbie

2. right up to the 70s. gg, that is, until the end of 60 in your west there were virtually no social. guarantees for workers

Do not tell tales - I perfectly know what social. conditions were in the west in the 70s.
I would even say that in many places (say, for example, Israel itself, but we are behind the West in the social package) - social. 70s package was better than now

Quote: newbie

yes, by the mid-80s, the social package was not in the whole west, in individual countries it was higher. but not everyone got it, that's where the catch is.

the hitch is that in the USSR the social package was the same as it was not the same - from the word completely

Quote: newbie

3. on the occasion of your "shrenavam", again I recommend a little respect

I, unlike you, should not read, I live in the West and have been very - very many years

[newcomer]

your nonsense to read sickening, excuse me. therefore, only because you say so, I must cross out my entire education, since I have also studied this issue. live in the west, the flag in your hands. only you did not answer any of my claims to you about the previous question. right now, we’ll start measuring who’s measure is cooler? quite tightly communicated with residents of the West of different professions, not about any social security. there is no package even to this day in your west. Yes, as a control to the head: in the Union, the social package guaranteed workers free trips to hospitals and abroad. I have not heard or read that you have practiced this. But the fact that apartments were issued to employees? so really, as colleague Andrei K said, let's go back to the news topic.

[karish]

Quote: newbie

your nonsense to read sickening, excuse me. it means only because you say so, I have to cross out my entire education

This is your own business, someone has taught Marxism all his life - Leninism - the question of crossing out this education --- everyone decides for himself

Quote: newbie

since this question has also been studied by me. live in the west, the flag in your hands.

You studied and I live.
Theory with practice you know often diverges.
You do not tell me fairy tales from Soviet textbooks - I live here and I know the truth.

Quote: newbie

only you did not answer any of my claims to you about the previous question

what about medicine? there’s nothing to even talk about, you’ll never be able to keep up with the Israeli (for many reasons).
Well, as for the West - Centur (or the installation of stands on vessels) - an absolutely ordinary procedure of any provincial hospital (Canada and the USA) - this is what I know, I'm sure the same in Europe.

Quote: newbie

right now, we’ll start measuring who’s measure is cooler?

depending on what, somewhere you have, somewhere we have.
but all your measures are less than western ones - this is definitely

Quote: newbie

quite tightly communicated with residents of the West of different professions, not about any social security. there is no package even to this day in your west

here do not carry nonsense.

Quote: newbie

: in the Union of social packages, guaranteed free trips to employees in hospitals and abroad

Shaw ??????
what do we smoke?

Quote: newbie

But the fact that apartments were issued to employees?

What year are you born?

[newcomer]

the only thing I can tell you is I'm 77 years old. about that we smoke, on the issue of apartments and other things to the working people_ sorry, but you are not a smart person. Social guarantees say, so why do people die to death in their apartments, but they seem to work? and you know what I’ll say, you don’t know Canada well, that’s a fact. if two people during a long dialogue cannot find a point for agreement, then someone should be smarter by stopping nonsense. I will do so.

[Shahno]

Yes, they gave out apartments in the beginning. 70 x for a specific layer. So what? You now can not equal those years.

[newcomer]

one denies the fact, the other acknowledges the fact, and asks: “so what?” I say, “interesting” people, but nicho, have you read the thread of the dialogue? as to whether we should be equal or not, read my comment at the beginning of the thread. in general, it’s difficult to engage in dialogue with Israeli colleagues by a complete juggling, jumping from one topic to another and gross denial of all the positives of the USSR / RF. therefore, read the ending of my previous comment.

[K.A.S.]

Libya had such a social network, and salaries of teachers and doctors that you’re pumping, but there were no Armat and SU -57 tanks! and where is that Libya now?

when you talk about the economic force, then mention the public debt, which is also not comparable!
we are not going to play catch-up with anyone, we want to solve our problems on child mortality, life expectancy, road conditions, welfare, integrity of the courts and prosecutors, and others, and weapons will help us protect ourselves from those who try to help Russians democratize the country !
we, unlike the Israelites, have nowhere to run. it’s you, in which case you will again become Russian!

[Russia]

Quote: Hanokem

Russia's tragic mistake will be drawn into an arms race with the United States. The economic strength of the two countries is not comparable and the previous attempt to maintain parity with America was worth the collapse of the USSR. The presence of a variety of nuclear weapons in Russia guarantees non-aggression of America on it. If I were a Russian, I would prefer instead of the T-14 and SU-57 to catch up with the West in terms of child mortality, life expectancy, road conditions, welfare, and integrity of the courts and prosecutors

If, yes, if you would move back to us, for example, to Birobidzhan, we will listen carefully to you, discuss your projects on an equal footing, like a citizen with a citizen.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Rusland

If yes, if only, move back to us, for example, to Birobidzhan

[PalBor]

Yes, there came infa that, under security guarantees from Russia, the southern cauldron near Damascus would capitulate. About 7000 militants with their families were handed over weapons, maps of minefields, underground passages, prisoners were released. There was no need to specify who was the most convincing negotiator. Without billions.

[PalBor]

But you can combine the Su-57 and a decent standard of living. I’m familiar with our cardiac dispensary personally. The level of qualification and provision is not weak, the attitude is excellent. I wanted to thank them in my pocket, they almost beat me.
The main thing is that our officials should move and not drink ... pour.

[NordOst16]

Well, I don’t think that the Prince of Italy, Count of Suvorov-Rymniksky, is so little-known

[Borik]

That they have money, they cost them nothing. They will draw as much as they need.

[SlavaS]

Maybe it's time to start typing your own?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

One aircraft carrier is just what it costs, and they will be typed in the USA with 10 ok and more ..
And all the way to the water and toilets, they drag with them for operations .. hehe And without a bun with jam and ice cream they won’t go for any operation .. So everything is fine, just a snickering nation that lives by robbing other nations of the world, crushing them in all ways

[K.A.S.]

Quote: newbie

The amount is crazy, but not much use.

khe khe khe, could you please explain. criteria about the sense is not enough?
I want to remind. that the United States has military bases around the world and, accordingly, can pursue a policy that is advantageous for itself, controlling its allies and leading the NATO bloc!

[newcomer]

Yes, I do not need to remind anything, drink water, the cough will pass. my creteries: price / quality of weapons; and the ability to achieve results with low costs. Our Syrian company as a guide to you. Yes, and where does the call. bases? they had more under the Union.

[Andrey K]

Quote: K.A.S.

...I want to remind. that the US has military bases around the world and, accordingly, can pursue a policy that is advantageous for itself, controlling its allies and leading the NATO bloc! ...

Base base is different. Geldings really have a ton of bases. Everything is fine - just that, but they are here - in place. But there is a but.
1. Rummage on the Internet and look at the costs of logistics. There the hair stand on end.
The lion's share of the Pentagon’s costs is just logistics, delivery of the notorious Coca-Cola or toilet paper, from the manufacturer to the bases scattered around the world. There is no money left to develop new weapons. Look - when did the geldings adopt something new?
2. All this Merinskaya power is so spread across the globe that they are not able to pull out a single large-scale war, since they are a thin layer everywhere. As a result, the geldings do not even take weeks - months to assemble a shock fist in a short time !!!

[Pirogov]

Quote: Andrey K

All this Merinskaya power is so spread across the globe that they are not able to pull out a single large-scale war, since they are a thin layer everywhere. As a result, the geldings do not even take weeks - months to assemble a shock fist in a short time !!!

Everything is as if true. But I have a question, but how is it all the easier for Russia. The United States has the initiative and this is important, and the amount of money spent on aircraft for them does not play a big role. And the ability to always tighten the satellites, too, cannot be reset.

[Andrey K]

Quote: Pirogov

... Everything is as if true. But I have a question, but how is it all the easier for Russia. The United States has the initiative and this is important, and the amount of money spent on aircraft for them does not play a big role. Yes, and the ability to always tighten the satellites can also not be reset ...

We don’t have any idea how much they spend and why. We need to bake about our own army - its armament and supply. They want to merry geldings - let them rumble, dogs bark - the caravan goes

[Non liberoid Russian]

the usual tactics of policemen ... more sections, more supervision and less time to react ... but they only react to obviously weak opponents, something stronger and able to give, though not too hard, but in the teeth - immediately gathers a coalition from NATO chorus ... of the policemen, the soldiers are so-so, as history has shown ... alone they only bent Spain and Mexico, well, maybe Panama and Grenada

[gippernano]

Russia without all this can also, and what?

[Andrey K]

... American spending on operations abroad is Russia's largest defense budget ...

The presence of expenses does not mean the quality of execution. The system of kickbacks in the US defense industry is such that our embezzlers cannot dream of super slobbery dreams. We add here the total gouging of the performers and get a zilch at the output.
What far to go - Syria in all its glory. They sucked in their shirts so much that Mama Do not Cry. They ate them themselves, gave manual animals to devour - the result, the Russians came and the whole configuration fell like a house of cards.
Arms are written off by wagons, stolen, they get there, they just disappear without reaching their destination (as was the case in Afghanistan). And if they put in their trinkets, it's not a fact that the animals will not give up or resell.
There is nothing to brag about - to use money, geldings are really able to do better than anyone else in the world, well, if only the plague from the 404 incubator, they bypassed the corner

[Lord of the Sith]

Hi Andrey, I’ll add that out of 700 billion, the Pentagon spends 8% on the purchase of weapons. And we out of 51 billion spend 60% on the purchase of weapons.

[Andrey K]

Good day Sergey!
I’m talking about this very thing. You can boast about the budget level as much as you like, but you need to look at the result - and the result is obvious. Merino feeds affiliated with the management, all sorts of transport companies, theft in this chain is simply prohibitive. At the same time, the most powerful army in the world cannot afford not only that there is nothing to replace the new tank with morally obsolete small arms with.
Take yesterday, in my opinion, the news - on considering the use of Soviet (Russian) weapons in the ILC !!!
If we, someone, even suggested that we consider the use of let's say AR-10 in parts of the Airborne Forces, we would send him at least under the white arms and go straight to a psychiatrist.
And the geldings have nothing of the kind - "we have high costs, so we are powerful"

[NordOst16]

Well, the size of the fleet, as it were, hints that in the USA they can not only saw it. Compare at least the number of apl and destroyers. And most importantly they have it on the stream.
A satellite constellation (by the way, I haven’t watched for a long time, our space segment of SPR got into operation? It seems that they launched a satellite in the 16th).
The aviation is large and, it seems, the number of la is larger than ours. Established production of drones. A large amount of money is spent on research, most of which will not lead to success, but there will always be developments that can then be put on something interesting later.
And of course, do not forget about the technologies that they "feed" the whole world, I'm talking about microelectronics.
Personally, I’m somehow sad about this.

[Andrey K]

Quote: NordOst16

... Well, the size of the fleet, as it were, hints that in the USA they can not only saw it. Compare at least the number of apl and destroyers. And most importantly they have it on the stream.
A satellite constellation (by the way, I haven’t watched for a long time, our space segment of SPR got into operation? It seems that they launched a satellite in the 16th).
The aviation is large and, it seems, the number of la is larger than ours. Established production of drones. A large amount of money is spent on research, most of which will not lead to success, but there will always be developments that can then be put on something interesting later.
And of course, do not forget about the technologies that they "feed" the whole world, I'm talking about microelectronics.
Personally, I’m somehow sad about this ...

So that you are not very sad:
Merino have aircraft carriers, put them into operation regularly. The question is why do we need it. If we are a state located in Eurasia. Marine gigantomania is not an indicator at all. The same Americans compared the capabilities of Russia's missile weapons with regard to their AUGs and came to one sad idea - Russia with a penny crowbar, would smash the expensive Mercedes to shreds. The Americans are now sad.
In aviation - quantitatively yes, there are more mattress aircraft. Qualitatively - no, mattress aircraft are becoming obsolete, there is nothing to replace. Rather, there is something - the 22nd and 35th. 22nd discontinued - expensive even for mattresses. The 35th is stamped, it is likely that something will come out of it. But while it is damp, sores climb out of it.
With microelectronics, yes, we had problems. Slowly, with a creak, we came to understand that we needed our own. We’re trying to move something.
There is reason for sadness, there is reason for pride. Life does not stand still

[NordOst16]

Well, our Su 57s will not be much cheaper (it seems to me that our military-industrial complex will come to the conclusion that if you do some thread with progressive things, it will cost no less than our Western “friends”) not a few, and our 35th did not go through a relatively massive construction and not the fact that there will not be the same problems with them as with our Gorshkov.
What kind of penny scrap are you talking about? As for me, this crowbar was supposed to be apr 885, but they are far from cheap. And from their number, tears welling up and not even their number, but the purchase plan is very upsetting. Yes, and it will somehow be a long time to sink the PCR aircraft carrier with conventional warheads, it’s necessary there immediately, and this is a serious argument for the answer.
And here was a series of articles: A sad look at the future ...

Well, I would also like to add that without a strong and modern economy there will be no strong army. We should like to let more military developments into civilian life (and no, I do not mean cases when the space industry enterprises made strollers). I just want the standard of living not equal to Europe with the United States, but to the Russian Federation. Yes, I mixed here
I’ll probably say now that I’m very seditious, but maybe a more liberal policy should be pursued (unfortunately, the words “liberal” and “democratic” in the Russian Federation, after the dashing 90s, became synonymous with devastation and lawlessness, but initially they contained a slightly different meaning) so that more private companies appeared because they are often more “agile” than state giants and so that the government is a little afraid of the people (and this is not to relax there), and this is so that it remembers its main obligations (a country for the people) and works. Maybe then a certain culture of government will appear. Yes, this is not often seen in democratic countries, but I have such pink dreams.

[Hanokem]

Of course, because you save on personnel and social conditions

[newcomer]

our soldier is unpretentious, can do without Internet sex.

[Andrey K]

Quote: Hanokem

Of course, because you save on personnel and social conditions

It’s better to save “on personnel and social conditions” (by the way, I didn’t understand what social conditions are in a warring unit) than to save on the armament of this very personnel and not to save on the lives of subordinates.
Which is better - to be killed in a luxury toilet with a soft roll of toilet paper in your hands or to be able to fight off the attack? Well, this is lyrics
Have you seen the conditions for the deployment of the Russian army?
Or are you guided by the army of Israel?
For the social security of the Russian Armed Forces - we have no equal.
All weapons, ammunition, equipment, food - domestic production
Paper, toilet, 10 varieties are delivered to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - without logistic theft

[NordOst16]

Well, there the attitude is a little different to the soldier. Personally, I think that the state was created to serve the people. And the state hires people to protect the state. And if a person is going to substitute the most expensive thing on this planet (for everything can be made or done except for a lost life), then he has every right to demand for himself everything that is prescribed in the contract.
It’s just that today a conversation just started about footcloths (he fought in Chechnya, a military man to the brain and bones) and socks. To which he said that footcloths are much better than socks. To my objection: Americans live normally with socks and do not complain, he replied that it is not worth comparing their supply and ours. There, in the Navy, they are obliged to serve a can of beer every week (I'm not sure about this, if you know, enlighten). Well, there everything is written in the contract, and if the state does not fulfill its obligations, then from what fright should a person substitute his life? There should be mutual respect.
So it seems to me that if the Russians treated the state a little more consumerly, then the state would have to be more attentive to their citizens. Well, this is my personal opinion.

[Andrey K]

Quote: NordOst16

... Well, there the attitude is a little different to the soldier ...

Normal attitude towards a soldier in America. There, in which case, is not forbidden to surrender. In the US Army, even the instruction was distributed - about rights in captivity. Our soldier would be the first one who tried to give such an instruction, wound guts on a bayonet, and there it was in the order of things.

Quote: NordOst16

... with what fright should a man substitute his life? There should be mutual respect ...

You probably have not read the Constitution. The life of a normal man, a citizen of Russia, originally belongs to the Motherland! The honor of a man belongs to him, but life does not! To protect the homeland is a sacred duty:

Article 59. The defense of the Fatherland is the duty and duty of a citizen ...
1. Defense of the Fatherland is a duty and duty of a citizen of the Russian Federation.

So, never ask this bad question. Now you’ll think about - and why I, the state gave me nothing in return. And tomorrow the same as you pass by when you need help - because the state does not pay for its patriotic impulse.

[NordOst16]

Well, here it’s a purely human duty to help another in trouble (the survey lives on this), but I don’t agree with the rest (and with the constitution too). Debt - this is understandable, but debt by payment is red. I think, nevertheless, any worthy action for society should be rewarded.
And about the captivity, well, it's complicated. The idea of ​​not surrendering to captivity sounds cool, on the other hand, he will not be able to do anything, and he will be able to return after the war and bring benefit to society (here the ratio of losses in the Second World is especially upsetting).
Well, probably, we have very different opinions on this matter.
So all the best and good luck !!!

[Andrey K]

Quote: NordOst16

... but I don’t agree with the rest (and with the constitution too) ...

An interesting U-turn. Homeland - You do not owe anything, from the word in general. You really do not want people to pass by in your misfortune and at the same time question the feasibility of the Constitution, which, by the way, in addition to the sacred duty of protecting the Motherland, also secures your right to life and so on.

Quote: NordOst16

... Debt is understandable, but debt is red by payment. I think, nevertheless, any worthy action for society should be rewarded ...

Defending the Homeland is a debt without payment. You’ll show it to your mother that she gave birth to you in the wrong country.

Quote: NordOst16

... And about the captivity, well, it's complicated. The idea of ​​not surrendering sounds cool, on the other hand, he can’t do anything anymore, and he will be able to return after the war and bring benefit to society (here the ratio of losses in the Second World War is especially upsetting ...)

There is nothing complicated at all: the surrender of all the peoples of our country is an indelible disgrace and loss of honor. Everything is simple. There are different cases, but we don’t have a cult of surrender - that's for sure.

Quote: NordOst16

... Well, probably, you and I have very different opinions on this matter ...

Yes, the opinions we have with you are fundamentally different.

[Russia]

Quote: Hanokem

Of course, because you save on personnel and social conditions

Well, in case of alarm, we do not have to collect our fighters in taverns and brothels, and pull them out of warm beds, in short you will be unpleasantly surprised by the preparation and morale of the Russian soldier.

[Troll]

more, the main share in these expenses is rent and staff allowances. Or as economists say overhead

[svp67]

Quote: newbie

The amount is crazy, but not much use.

Oh what? No ... this "crazy money" is doing its "dirty deed" in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine and many more where on the globe

[newcomer]

this is another story.

[NEXUS]

The US Congress approved part of the expenditure plan (budget) for the current year. We are still talking about approving the amount of 1,3 trillion dollars (this is not the whole budget-2018). If the congressmen had not voted to approve this part of the budget, the US federal government would have been in an extremely difficult situation in terms of implementing the announced projects.

Hegemony requires control of its vassals. And preferably power control as well. But ROME overcame in due time ...

[Hanokem]

And the Soviet Union, if it weren’t said by night, also collapsed from an attempt to maintain parity with the United States and the maintenance of numerous vassals around the world

[Doliva63]

If they plan to spend so much money, then in the near future there will be no 3 MV - otherwise they will not have time to capitalize.

[APASUS]

The Pentagon receives another budget from the drug trade from Afghanistan. According to the latest data, the poppy crop has grown sharply over the past 3 years and reached unimaginable sizes, in the region of 9000 tons. They will tell us again how they fight terrorism.

[unignm]

and what? and whoever there in the pentagram fart burned from the fact that they spend a lot of money and the Russians anyway?

[saveall]

It is known that over 65 billion US dollars are planning to spend on military operations abroad.

Little ... The more, the better. Keep pushing money into the air .... The Soviet Union has already passed.

[Herculesic]

How much do not give all the little, already the internal debt is more than 21 trillion, the army will make a couple of trillions of the budget in general, the domestic debt will catch up to 50 trillion? America needs to be renamed Buratinia, because there are people in power around crafts from rotten logs.

[tanit]

Amounts, they are amounts. But as a percentage of GDP, if you take, then the United States is modest. What about the defense budget, what about the state debt. The most warriors are the Saudis and the Israelis. Most debtors are Luxembourgers and Japanese.

[Kelwin]

And then we did not know what all kinds of "human rights activists" and "progressive journalists" live on), right now here are the "bloggers" divorced yet, we must give up the gas))

[Humpty]

An example of American logistics - bottled drinking water was transported from Kyrgyzstan to Afghanistan, through many passes over a distance of 2000 or more kilometers. As far as I heard, now they are also being taken from somewhere far away. Apparently they are afraid that the Afghans will mix dung in their water.

[svp67]

For comparison: this is more than the entire defense budget of Russia.

And who said it would be easy?

[LAWNER]

For that kind of money, you can build a bunch of submarines and give each one the name of the city. And buy the rest in the village councils in Armata instead of a tractor.

[Mengad]

Quote: SlavaS

Maybe it's time to start typing your own?

This is to the guarantor of the Constitution ...

[Mengad]

Quote: Herkulesich

How much do not give all the little, already the internal debt is more than 21 trillion, the army will make a couple of trillions of the budget in general, the domestic debt will catch up to 50 trillion? America needs to be renamed Buratinia, because there are people in power around crafts from rotten logs.

Do you bury all of the USA? About 20 years, how much ... Until the debtor pays .. they don’t recognize him as bankrupt ... oh yes .. they have the Fed and a machine for printing money ... I think you caught the line of my thoughts?

[Orionvit]

Quote: Mengad

I think you caught my train of thought?

Yes, everyone knows that the states have set the whole world in cancer, not by their military force, but by the dollar. And this will continue until everyone pretends that dollars are money.

[Wolka]

gobbled up army - a herd for slaughter ...

[Orionvit]

long asked our troops to do more at a lower cost

About lower costs, this is not even a joke.

[high]

Quote: newbie

The Soviet Union collapsed for completely different reasons; just the same, in medicine, the West caught up with the USSR indicators only now.

Do you believe in your nonsense? Living behind the Iron Curtain in the USSR, we all mistakenly believed that the level of medicine and technology was very high ...
On a trip abroad, my tooth ached, I went to the doctor.
The doctor was amazed to see a metal crown - in the West then, for many years, when they refused this poison.
I asked Analgin for pain, he was even more surprised, because Analgin, already like 40 years old was banned by WHO, - it was dangerous to health.
The Soviet Union was 50 years behind the level of Western medicine.

[high]

It is necessary for Russia to stop financing the United States and stop buying their phones, computers, technology, software, civilian aircraft, abandon the Internet ...

[Click]

Quote: newbie

it's all about the leak of foreign currency abroad. small by small the issue is being decided on this money. in addition, circular sanctions that escalated into an economic war, another important milestone, a massive brain drain in the 90s. and again I repeat_ the robbery, by means of which we have the conveyor system of millionaires. but it is precisely your observation of the 2000s and 2017x_ that is a direct consequence of eq. war against us. in general, looking ahead I can say that we have a lot of work ahead of us according to the laws and the composition of the Cabinet, and much more. big is the topic. There will be an opportunity, it will certainly undergo heated discussion.

Then I completely agree with you! Another question is why the money withdrawn to the west does not accelerate inflation there, which they always say to us ?! We drive gas, oil, a certain percentage remains in the economy, which was brought out by workers from neighboring countries, corrupt officials, through affiliated banks! According to them, work is being done, it is clear! Something settles in the garages! And the rest pour into debt papers! And they lay there dead weight! But they do not disperse inflation, in the same America!

[NordOst16]

Quote: Andrey K

An interesting U-turn. Homeland - You do not owe anything, from the word in general. You really do not want people to pass by in your misfortune and at the same time question the feasibility of the Constitution, which, by the way, in addition to the sacred duty of protecting the Motherland, also secures your right to life and so on.

Well, do not modify my words about the appropriateness of the Constitution - I did not say this, but said that I did not agree with some points.
As for the fact that it does not owe us anything - if citizens are obliged to protect the state, then this also obliges the other side (i.e. the state) to fulfill their obligations. It seems to me that this should be mutual. So the state still owes its citizens (for without them there would be no state, and the converse is not true).

Quote: Andrey K

Defending the Homeland is a debt without payment.

But it seems to me that such a price (or sacrifice), as the life of its citizens, should be the highest value for the state, which must be "cherished and cherished" and can not be scattered because without citizens there will be no state.
And of course, this should be highly rewarded.

Quote: Andrey K

You’ll show it to your mother that she gave birth to you in the wrong country.

Then how it happened, they don’t choose something)))

Quote: Andrey K

There is nothing complicated at all: the surrender of all the peoples of our country is an indelible disgrace and loss of honor. Everything is simple. There are different cases, but we don’t have a cult of surrender - that's for sure.

Yes there is, but how much is it advisable in our time (I mean, when the number of citizens gradually decreases). And it decreases not only from negative factors, but from the same urbanization.

Quote: Andrey K

Yes, the opinions we have with you are fundamentally different.

I agree with you, but it’s also interesting (at least for me) when there are many points of view.
In the end, I would like to add, well, this is purely my opinion that the state is nothing more than a union of people created to protect interests. Probably as a tribe, but only very large. And I proceed from the fact that inside this system everything should be aimed at achieving good for as many people as possible. And I think that a little more objective relations within the state will benefit everyone because the system, which is the key to the well-being of the majority, will be protected by this majority.
But again, this is personally my humble opinion)))