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Russia's future: saving on democracy

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So, once again we congratulate everyone on the fact that a new stage has begun in our life. Another time has come for opening the cesspools of our political elite. The time of "sensational discoveries" for the media has ended. The time of the circus on TV called “candidate debate” is over. Bacchanalia ended under a beautiful name "election campaign."




Stunned by all this spectacle and trash, the people went to the polls together and gave their vote to those whom they considered the most worthy leader for themselves. How did you go - the second question. Someone - at the call of the heart. Someone - according to the habit that had been established in Soviet times. Someone - at the urgent "request" of the enterprise or military unit.

Actually, any way is good, if not against the law.

Two days passed, and a cohort of Putin’s opponents, stunned by success, began to come to their senses. Appeared the first forecasts of further developments.

And there was a certain split effect. No personality, thank God, and not consciousness. But some feeling that everything is wrong, there is a place to be. Depending on what channel to include or what site to go to.

For clever uncles and aunts from the TV and other media explain to the inhabitant all the charm (vileness) of the result obtained at the elections.

A satisfied (disgruntled) elector looks at the voting results with satisfaction (bitterness). Vladimir Putin’s huge separation from the second candidate, Pavel Grudinin, and the completely ridiculous results of the others seemed to show the situation in the country.

And whose victory is it? People? The current government? Putin personally? What political and economic line does the president hold today? Who is mom and dad?

Alas, this is not a victory for the people, but for the officials. Those most hated bureaucrats, at the mention of which most ordinary people begin to deteriorate their mood. Those who, a priori, together with their appointment to office, receive the title of enemy of the common people.

Where are such conclusions from? From life. From what everyone knows, but few go beyond knowledge.

Remember the autumn and winter of the year 2017. The country's position in the international arena is being strengthened. We are starting to influence international events. We are active in Syria. We show teeth to opponents. And at the same time, this is our behavior disgusting effect on each of us.

Sanctions, which we, according to numerous statements by politicians and economists, more good than harm, contribute to the rapid weight loss of our wallet. It becomes more difficult for each concrete person to live.

And at the same time, we act exactly according to the same principle that we once heard from our grandmother. "We will endure, if only there was no war ..."

No, you really can suffer? Can. We are proud to talk about our army. We respect the resolute president. We like to be independent and strong.

Someone doubted Vladimir Putin’s election victory? Someone, even one of those who dared to go to the race for the chair next to him, hoped to be at least close at the finish? All solved their own problems. And, paradoxically, the tasks of Putin.

What was the task? And it is obvious. Make the electorate come to the polls. At any price. To force. The mere fact that there is no alternative for the current president, for many, was the main criterion for participation in elections. What for?

A huge number of presidential supporters would simply ignore the elections. And add to them those who, knowing that among the candidates there is no one who will suit them personally, would not go to the polls? But there are also those who are physically unable to vote because of a fairly complex system of changing the site or just laziness?

Meanwhile, in order to show the whole world a fig, it was necessary to have a figure not in 30-35% of the total number of voters at the ballot boxes. I needed a digit.

The NUMBER needed just such ... So that the rest of the world would understand that we are united in rows, understanding and accepting, making a choice and ... And further on in the text in the same spirit.

Remember the appearance on television candidate Sobchak? This is the end of the race, she began to follow the words. Really a little turning from a scandalous TV presenter into politics. She, after all, occupied exactly that niche that has been a headache for political technologists for many years. Against all!

Communist party? Liberal party? Rights? You did not notice that they are already uninteresting to the majority? Nostalgia for the USSR? Alas, this is no longer an argument. Reforming on the western model? We remember these reforms and the very program "500 days" ... Yes, yes, the very Yavlinsky! Nationalist internationalists? Ridiculous.

But they all said the same thing. Come and vote for us, against the existing government and the current president! But any student knows this technology. Older people need to clarify, and the boy or girl at the computer is not necessary! Likes and dislikes increase views! No matter how you vote, you vote!

What's next? Elections are not an end in themselves. Elections are a start. But the start of what? Or whom?

There is an opinion that such elections and such support for Putin by the people will provide him with the opportunity to embark on unpopular reforms.

The myth of democracy is destroyed. More precisely, destroyed. It was easy enough to convince the people. And there are a lot of technologies for this. It remains only to set the task for specialists, and ...

The system that Yeltsin began to build and Putin continued is in effect.

Ideally, there should be one ruling party in the country. Well, actually, it already exists, and the next Duma elections will confirm this (we are sure).

In general, this is normal for Russia.

Monarchy, the communist past - almost 400 years of totalitarian rule, with deviations in one direction or another. Quite to myself.

And nothing, as it were. We lived. And we will live, definitely, yet.

However, in order to observe the appearance of this democracy itself, one must still leave at least this appearance.

Mark radicals on both sides and leave only center-left and center-right. Or Republicans and Democrats. Or Labor and Conservatives. The classical two-party system, where in any case the continuity of power will be maintained.

Why not? After all, there will be no choice anyway. Six years later, in 2024, through 12, in 2036. There will be no choice anyway. It will be HE (no matter by name, Father of the People, Great Helmsman, and so on) and all the rest, on dancers and with a rating close to the statistical error.

And he, the choice is needed, if in a good way? 400 years lived, as mentioned above, and nothing. Not extinct.

Actually, one candidate in the bulletin (sample of the USSR, China or Russia-2018) is also a choice. "For" - for stability and hereinafter. "Against" - for anarchy, entropy and hereinafter also.

All right, two. Two candidates are quite enough for the whole West to shut up and move away in terms of democracy in our country.

And loafers, freeloaders, just spent OUR money from the budget for their campaigns, you just need to overclock. And, well, who has something to do. Titov, Baburin, Grudinin. But Yavlinsky, Zhirinovsky, Zyuganov - everything, to retire according to age. Not yet raised qualifications.

Leave one Suraykina. Anyway, nothing really can do anything, so let the opposition. Single candidate from all who are against.

What's wrong with the alignment? And, most importantly, some savings!

Or maybe even go to the American model? And in the future in general from the people refuse the election? Why? Electors from regions or members of the Federation Council elect a president, and we elect electors.

But no one is distracted from more important and urgent matters. And the result does not suffer - the most important thing.
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    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 22 March 2018 06: 21
      +24
      They don’t splatter the monitor? Is there a handkerchief? Is there a homeland? There is a flag. But these people carry this flag in the wrong direction.
      1. Hard Rock
        Hard Rock 22 March 2018 06: 50
        +24
        No, I didn’t splatter it, everything was written not in hysterics, you know how to read, no, not between the lines? You yourself go to your side with a flag on a stick, and I go to another one and it is with the flag, you are our liberal, have a happy journey and a long return!
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 22 March 2018 07: 00
          +45
          You were mistaken. We have a liberal government with a president hi
          1. user
            user 23 March 2018 16: 31
            +2
            Or maybe even go to the American model? And in the future in general from the people refuse the election? Why? Electors from regions or members of the Federation Council elect a president, and we elect electors.


            Yes, it’s not clear to the Federation Council today who it’s not clear how it gets.
            So your dream specifically in this matter has been working for a long time.
            1. Semen1972
              Semen1972 28 March 2018 17: 57
              0
              Quote: user
              Yes, it’s not clear to the Federation Council today who it’s not clear how it gets.

              You don’t need to know this, you won’t get there.
          2. Height
            Height 24 March 2018 22: 32
            +3
            The most important liberalist is Vladivostok1969
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 24 March 2018 23: 46
              +3
              If you don’t want to run into insults yourself, don’t get personal ... just good advice. And then from the Heights, you know, it is very painful to fall.
              1. Height
                Height 25 March 2018 00: 02
                +1
                Come on, run into you ...
                And for all the paratroopers it is not necessary to speak, it is not necessary to take on such obligations.
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 26 March 2018 16: 17
                  0
                  Quote: Height
                  Come on, run into you ...

                  The pike is not grown yet, youth. Can you run into, aren't you afraid to regret?
                  Quote: Height
                  no need to speak for all paratroopers

                  Show me where I wrote this? Specifically, with a quote.
                  By the way, I'm not a paratrooper, and I never said that .. ah, congratulations, there was a deal! So this seems to be normal.
                  And pri.dur.kov enough everywhere.
                  1. Height
                    Height April 1 2018 15: 03
                    0
                    I look you have grown. No, I'm not afraid to regret it!
        2. basmach
          basmach 22 March 2018 07: 33
          +4
          Before you go somewhere with the flag, you first change it, "patriot." And with this, you can only lead the march ....
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 22 March 2018 08: 41
            +38
            M ... yes ...! I read the article and comments. What can I say? There is only one conclusion: the more time elapses after the election, the angrier the anti-Putin! Ek, how sausages them! And they are angry now not because Putin became president, but because they lost! I sympathize with them: with this they will have to live for six whole years. Well, it’s their own fault - they chose the life of a masochist. Therefore, my advice to them is: to reconcile with what happened and take care of your nerves. They will come in handy in the next election. Good luck tongue
            1. Vladivostok1969
              Vladivostok1969 22 March 2018 08: 57
              +48
              Yes, we lost the election. But luck will be needed for us all. You too. Do not hope that the wave will pass by you. It will roll with your head in no doubt.
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 22 March 2018 11: 52
                +14
                Quote: Vladivostok1969
                Yes, we lost the election. But luck will be needed for us all. You too. Do not hope that the wave will pass by you. It will roll with your head in no doubt.

                Rather, the raised wave will wash you off, and it will only sprinkle us with spray.
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 23 March 2018 11: 50
                  +3
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  Rather, the raised wave will wash you off, and it will only sprinkle us with spray.

                  You know ... depending on what kind of spray.
                  Judging by your writings, you already agree to the point that you disagree with everyone who disagrees with this liberal economy, this mess in medicine and education ... and there are bloody splashes ..
                  So you are careful not to give such comments and directly excite people to the Civil confrontation.
                  There are a lot of facts that the dirty tricks were used in the elections, that there are a lot of digital figures, you should not close your eyes and not see that there is a different request in society than a request for the growth of billionaires, yachts and gold toilets.
                  1. Nyrobsky
                    Nyrobsky 23 March 2018 12: 13
                    +3
                    Quote: badens1111
                    Judging by your writings, you already agree to the point that you write down all those who disagree with this liberal economy, this mess in medicine and education, as enemies ..and the spray can be bloody. So beware of giving such comments. and directly excite people to the Civil confrontation.

                    Let the steam go a little, you’ll be with aftars who wrote this “ODE,” “EPOS,” “Hymn,” and they don’t write otherwise. this is regarded as an insult to the author, it was we who fell into retribution to punish precisely those who disagree with your opinion and waves, threatening with bloody splashes and issuing warnings. What kind of vegetable is there - there may be pluralism of opinions. And yes, according to the Bunshi classification you inflicted a serious insult on me as the author of the comment calling him - a scribblebut the moderator is on your side. Alas.
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 23 March 2018 12: 35
                      +2
                      Rudeness is your hobby? Drink valerian.
                      What is my, as it seemed to you, insult, since you insult and be rude here?
                      I now tell you that you started writing, this is not an insult, but an assessment of your comment.
                      Quote: Nyrobsky
                      Rather, the raised wave will wash you off, and it will only sprinkle us with spray.

                      What are you calling for?
                      1. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 23 March 2018 13: 18
                        +2
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Rudeness is your hobby? Drink valerian.
                        What is my, as it seemed to you, insult, since you insult and be rude here?
                        I now tell you that you started writing, this is not an insult, but an assessment of your comment.
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        Rather, the raised wave will wash you off, and it will only sprinkle us with spray.

                        What are you calling for?

                        Calm down already, my dear .... In my opinion, you got into a dialogue. I addressed my comment
                        Quote: Vladivostok1969
                        Yes, we lost the election. But luck will be needed for us all. You too. Do not hope that the wave will pass by you. It will roll with your head in no doubt.

                        What side were you involved in our "peaceful" conversation with? Go with your "truth" with the world and without target designation. I dare not hold you back.
              2. avia1991
                avia1991 22 March 2018 13: 06
                +35
                Quote: Vladivostok1969
                Yes, we lost the election. But luck will be needed by ALL of us
                We didn’t lose - this was lost to the vast majority of Russians: those who, with skewed rage to support the Leader, were breaking into pieces, grabbing “free” buckwheat and chemical sweets, apparently designed to create an illusion of plenty, and unanimously voting for “stability” : stability of the growth of poverty, taxes, reduction of pensions and real wages (just don’t talk about the "average for the hospital"!) .. stability of the young generation’s fooling, the withering away of a high-quality education, the further monetization of medicine and the growth of income of the “friends of the Darkest ..” I do not envy us all, ladies and gentlemen! And Putin’s supporters in particular - for disappointment in the idol is much worse than the absence of this idol. Do you dream of monarchical power?! .. Learn History. There are many interesting things .. although, if the status of a slave attracts you, the flag is in your hands. hi
                The namesake, this is not for you, do not think - this is for Mr. Nyrobsky and others like him, naively believing that their
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                sprinkles only.
                wassat
                1. horhe48
                  horhe48 22 March 2018 13: 47
                  +12
                  The status of a slave is your reputation. You probably didn’t understand that you were on the other side of the barricade. Next to you are the states, May, Bandera, Ishilov’s, al-Qaeda’s, and the like, and so your alleged arguments are empty words and repeating backsides foreign sentiments. This time you and your listed and non-listed allies lost. You will always lose. Why? Read the beginning of my comments.
                  1. vlad_vlad
                    vlad_vlad 22 March 2018 16: 50
                    +13
                    Quote: horhe48
                    The status of a slave is your reputation. You probably didn’t understand that you were on the other side of the barricade. Next to you are the states, May, Bandera, Ishilov’s, al-Qaeda’s, and the like, and so your alleged arguments are empty words and repeating backsides foreign sentiments. This time you and your listed and non-listed allies lost. You will always lose. Why? Read the beginning of my comments.


                    what do you have there for the mania to divide everyone only into enemies and friends? type - "do not love Putin" means "love Bandera." and the option - "I do not like them all and still sit with everyone else in the same boat"?

                    enough to divide people - it's time to unite. otherwise only red / white ones will exist, a revolutionary need, "who is not with us is against us."
                    not tired? did not learn?
                    1. horhe48
                      horhe48 23 March 2018 09: 10
                      +3
                      I, like more than 77% of the residents of Russia who took part in the vote, supported V.V. Putin.Comrade (sir) avia1991 declares that I and most of the voters in Russia have (according to his version) the status of a slave. And on what basis is it asked to associate with this young pilot?
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 23 March 2018 11: 55
                        +5
                        You know, with your screams. You remind the troll of being bad-natured. If you think that a frequently repeated lie will become true, you will be severely mistaken.
                        Among 77% of voters, not all 100% is for GDP, so correct the figure, then subtract another 10 million from it, it is mathematically verified what the scale of the stuffing is, the officials won, yes. But whether you won, no. And the sooner you learn it the better.
                        So, on a young pilot ... you seem more likely than your opponents.
                  2. avia1991
                    avia1991 22 March 2018 17: 28
                    +11
                    Quote: horhe48
                    .You probably didn’t understand that you were on the other side of the barricade. Near you are the states, May, Bandera, Ishilov’s, al-Qaeda’s, and the like.

                    Very typical reasoning of the "stubborn fighter" of the current government: during the "election campaign" we all had the opportunity to see this. Such people will easily write anyone who thinks differently than “they and Putin” into the country's enemies, and they will compose any “compromising material” to denigrate their opponents — and they won’t even think that they are digging a hole for themselves .. Look, Mr. Colonel In RESIGNATION, how would you, with your like-minded people, not be inconspicuous in a strange minority!
                    1. horhe48
                      horhe48 23 March 2018 09: 16
                      +2
                      I don’t care about your estimates. They come from a person who does not understand what is really happening and thoughtlessly repeating the stupidities and fakes of Western propaganda and the “fifth column”.
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 23 March 2018 11: 57
                        +4
                        Quote: horhe48
                        Your ratings don't interest me

                        Many are not at all interested in the game that you write here.
                        But here is a repeat of your stupidities, fakes. Direct lies, just shows in you, a person with a very limited type of intelligence is those who are not able to think with their own mind, but clearly fall under the propaganda of TV and SMRAD,
                  3. avia1991
                    avia1991 22 March 2018 17: 32
                    +10
                    Quote: horhe48
                    And therefore, your alleged arguments are empty vocabulary and repetition of the asses of other people's sentiments

                    By the way, besides the usual verbiage, I would like to hear concrete arguments "in favor" of Putin's style of government. Maybe you look? .. And by the way: the colonel is worthless making so many mistakes in his native Russian.
                  4. kotvov
                    kotvov 22 March 2018 18: 38
                    +6
                    .This time you and your listed and non-listed allies lost. You will always lose. ,,
                    But how did you determine that they are our allies? They are more likely yours. As Putin delivered to the West, he supplies oligarchs. Gas oil goes there, goes. As investments in the United States went, they go. Like children with their families, , the elites, lived in the west, and they live. So who, to whom is an ally?
                    1. horhe48
                      horhe48 23 March 2018 09: 20
                      +2
                      It’s you, not I wrote that they are your allies. With which I congratulate you.
                2. AID.S
                  AID.S 23 March 2018 08: 53
                  +4
                  Quote: avia1991
                  lost ... the majority of Russians: those who are skewed from the rage desire to support the Leader

                  Eco skewed, anger and rushing .... from the realization of the contradiction of desire and impotence.
                  1. avia1991
                    avia1991 25 March 2018 00: 00
                    +3
                    Quote: AID.S
                    Eco warped, anger rushing

                    Malice comes from zaputintsy like you, sir. I express regret and sympathy for the stupefied and frightened images of the "external enemy" to people if you do not understand .. Do you seriously think that you won? .. The authorities won, the people lost, and it does not matter who their supporter was.
                    As for impotence, I advise you to restrain your ardor in terms of personal insults: the world is small, and putting you in a certain position in order to explain that rudeness is ugly is not rusty. hi
                3. Stanislas
                  Stanislas 23 March 2018 11: 57
                  +4
                  Quote: avia1991
                  disappointment in the idol is much worse than the absence of this idol.
                  Are you talking about Grudinin? Brace yourself! So many people have not been disappointed by Putin for 18 years (sorry, but there is no other people in Russia for now), why did you decide that the next 6 years will definitely lead to the collapse of hopes for a leader?
                  1. avia1991
                    avia1991 25 March 2018 00: 08
                    +3
                    Quote: Stanislav
                    Are you talking about Grudinin? Brace yourself!

                    Do not pretend to be a fool.
                    Quote: Stanislav
                    So many people have not disappointed Putin for 18 years
                    Did so many people tell you this? Will you show the list?
                    I can also say that so many people just have this disappointment. And a lot of those who voted by inertia, or because of “hi bude tse zh anthem - would liys viina ne bulo” - the position is also real.
                    And stop puffing up with the numbers already: an elementary calculation shows that Mr. Putin barely collected half the votes - this is not counting the postscripts that were all the same, because the bureaucrats could not help but hesitate to insure themselves. So half the country consider opposed, where is the subject of pride?
                    1. Stanislas
                      Stanislas 25 March 2018 12: 08
                      +2
                      Quote: avia1991
                      elementary calculation
                      to the studio! Let's see who shows you what. Usually, such “calculations” begin with the assumption that Putin is tired of EVERYTHING who didn’t come to the polls, they don’t believe in the elections. However, those making such an unlikely assumption consider this a medical fact. request
                      1. avia1991
                        avia1991 26 March 2018 15: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Stanislav
                        to the studio! Let's see who shows you what

                        Stanislav, I am ashamed of you .. With a turnout of 67%, how many people give Putin's result? Now count, is Sycoca from 110 million voters? ...AND? I won’t take it for you - strain yourself a bit, elementary!
                4. Goodwin
                  Goodwin 23 March 2018 12: 38
                  +5
                  Ek you wrapped! What gloomy forecasts, even frost on the skin! But doesn’t it seem to you that you yourself have come up with this terrible "reality" that you are talking about. If you want, live in it yourself, do not try on it at all! The world rests on the positive, on heroes and enthusiasts, for whom all sorts of benefits are not so important for happiness. You can envy the oligarchs and swear fiercely at power, or you can just live and enjoy life here and now. And Putin is not an "idol" to us, but the head of state, for whom we are not ashamed, and our youth is normal, no worse than we were, and medicine and education are at our level. Be friendly to people and you will see a hundredfold return to you, and if someone doesn’t understand normal words, you can give a “tambourine”, but with a smile wink
                  1. Stanislas
                    Stanislas 23 March 2018 13: 01
                    +4
                    Quote: Goodwin
                    the head of state, for whom it is not a shame,
                    After years of shame and shame before him, Putin’s presidency cannot seem long. The question is not time, but his affairs.
                  2. avia1991
                    avia1991 25 March 2018 00: 16
                    +3
                    Quote: Goodwin
                    and medicine and education at our level

                    ..after such a statement, any desire to argue with you was lost: WHY ?! “I wish you a nap in happy ignorance ..” (Griboedov, “Woe from Wit”) Live, Igor, in that happy world that you have painted - even if you, like you, feel happy! lol I, I’m afraid, will no longer succeed: I’m taught to think, see, hear and analyze, and I’m not going to unlearn it. But the reality in which I live does not set up the optimism to which you are calling .. at the same time I believe that we can change life for the better! And as far as possible I try to act for this. And I will tell you one thing: if you want to be happy - be! good
              3. KAV
                KAV 22 March 2018 13: 50
                +21
                Quote: Vladivostok1969
                Do not hope that the wave will pass by you. It will roll with your head do not hesitate.

                Yes, you have all pulled up already scare "waves, consequences, etc."! Frightened more than once! How did they get everything with this Grudinin! What all of you, the choice of the people-not a decree? Do you have your own people? Well, go all together, following the example of the God-chosen ones, on a foot journey beyond the promised land! We got it already. Really.
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                  1. KAV
                    KAV 22 March 2018 18: 01
                    +7
                    Quote: mrark
                    For a million flies flying on a pile of manure, can not be wrong.

                    I correctly understood that now with your statement you have offended 77% of Russian citizens by comparing them with flies flying to dung ?! Yes, you are immortal, as I look ... Or, the wires do not get it, right? Brave or something dumber?
                    1. naidas
                      naidas 24 March 2018 13: 07
                      +2
                      Quote: KAV
                      I correctly understood that you now insulted 77% of Russian citizens with your statement

                      He said that the people are ser (do not be angry with him), read the ugly swans of the Strugatsky.
                      ... Children believe that the adult world is dead. They accuse them of cruelty and say that they are not the first who want to build a new world on the bones of the old ...
                    2. avia1991
                      avia1991 25 March 2018 00: 22
                      +2
                      Quote: KAV
                      77% of Russian citizens insulted

                      Enough to wave the 77th makhalka already: 77% - FROM how many people ?! So wipe it, half is potentially and openly against it! So there is nothing to be proud of, considering all the stuffing and postscripts. No matter how many they were - they were, and there are a bunch of videos on this subject. Just trying to poke power into the facts is a futile task, none of them were going to let go of their seats - just like EdRo in the parliamentary elections.
                2. avia1991
                  avia1991 22 March 2018 17: 21
                  +8
                  Quote: KAV
                  We got it already. Really

                  What are you ?! What are you still doing here? Or did you decide that Here is a "choir of presidential boys" singing together "God Save the President"? laughing
                  1. AID.S
                    AID.S 23 March 2018 09: 36
                    +3
                    Quote: avia1991
                    Or did you decide that Here is a "choir of presidential boys" singing together "God

                    No, one can feel the presence of “one children”, young, with pink cheeks, smart, well-read, perhaps even successful boys. Believing that they have known the truth.
                  2. KAV
                    KAV 23 March 2018 10: 03
                    +5
                    Quote: avia1991
                    Or did you decide that Here is a "choir of presidential boys" singing together "God Save the President"?

                    No. But, I confidently observe here the "choir of Zagrudin’s boys", unitedly voting "Grudinin come - put things in order!", As well as, "Crying princes of the lost Russia!" ...
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 23 March 2018 12: 00
                      +3
                      You are confidently lying, shifting your sores onto other people's heads.
                      I admit the idea that your intensified movements against you here, Conte, Maxpark, Facebook, Telegram, are all the fruit of the efforts of a certain force striving to overturn the country into a state of Civilian — you are calling for this.
                      1. Stanislas
                        Stanislas 23 March 2018 13: 21
                        0
                        Quote: badens1111
                        You're lying confidently
                        If this is about the choir, then KAV is right, and lying, it turns out you. I don’t know how confidently, but brazenly.
                3. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 22 March 2018 18: 15
                  +9
                  Yes you all pulled up already scare
                  Maidan, return in the 90s, you scared everyone before the election.
                4. kotvov
                  kotvov 22 March 2018 18: 40
                  +4
                  KAV-I would like to know your rank and position? Come on, or maybe you will go after your billions to the west? Or haven’t you plundered all of Russia yet?
                  1. Stanislas
                    Stanislas 23 March 2018 13: 34
                    +2
                    Quote: kotvov
                    I would like to know your rank and position
                    And the name of the unit commander? laughing
              4. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 22 March 2018 13: 56
                +12
                Quote: Vladivostok1969
                Do not hope that the wave will pass by you. Will roll around with your head. Do not hesitate.

                So far, all I see is a sea of ​​"wave-takers" ... on the Internet.
                I have already seen this for a long time, I'm used to it already request
                1. Stanislas
                  Stanislas 23 March 2018 13: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  I see this is a sea of ​​"chasing the wave" ... on the Internet.
                  Again a movie about the sea.
              5. AleksUkr
                AleksUkr 22 March 2018 14: 43
                +7
                Are you dumb? Go and work for the good of Russia, and not to the detriment of it. Get ready for new elections not on a wave of anger, but on something productive. Show everyone that you, losers, for our country, our people, for their prosperity. Or are you going to poison GDP for 6 years? Choke with anger, choke with foam from your mouth. Although there is a plus in this - there will be less of you left, you will not spoil the air ....
                1. MrK
                  MrK 22 March 2018 15: 46
                  +5
                  Quote: AleksUkr
                  Choke with anger, choke with foam from your mouth

                  Not. This will wake up with everyone in the next five years. so get a bib.
                2. naidas
                  naidas 24 March 2018 13: 12
                  +3
                  Quote: AleksUkr
                  Are you dumb?

                  Someone gets work for the good of Russia in galleys, and the rest on oars for the good of those close to keep this galley afloat.
              6. sapporo1959
                sapporo1959 22 March 2018 14: 47
                +19
                By the way, voices from the government have already been voiced today to raise the income tax in order to raise medicine. For the first time, as they say, and buns to the satisfied electorate.
                [media = https: //vz.ru/news/2018/3/22/913795.html]
              7. Akuzenka
                Akuzenka 22 March 2018 15: 13
                +7
                You could not fail to lose GDP. You do not have a figure (a program, the rudiments of real affairs, completed projects) that will look at least no worse than Putin, even with a stretch. You can offer nothing but the subsequent next robbery of the population and the surrender of positions to the west. Therefore, you will ALWAYS lose the GDP. As I suggested to you (the anti-Putinists), instead of talking, organize a party, work out a program, show it to us .... No, you aren’t capable of further “shouting” shouts. That means you will not even come and offer money kind star-striped uncles and aunts, because you have no association. Putin himself is not thrilled, but you are even worse.
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 22 March 2018 20: 18
                  +14
                  Quote: AKuzenka
                  Therefore, you will ALWAYS lose the GDP.

                  You cannot even objectively evaluate the election results: it was not a loss - it was another demonstration of the resources and capabilities of the authorities.
                  Quote: AKuzenka
                  You do not have a figure (a program, the rudiments of real affairs, completed projects) that will look at least no worse than Putin, even with a stretch.
                  In order for such real cases to appear in the context that you mean, the candidate needs to be "a little President"! laughing How do you imagine that?
                  But let’s remember what “real affairs”, projects, developments - of the level you are writing about - were with Mr. Putin in 2000? What did he really do so extraordinary at that moment that he could be unconditionally exalted? NOTHING. He was just a candidate for power.
                  What has really done the “great” for the country DAM, which in 2008 was no less amicably “chosen” by the Russians? Nothing good, definitely. However, he was chosen. Guess once, why? .. Because he was a candidate for power. And those who really control our economy - and therefore politics - never without a fight, by "democratic methods", will not give up this power!
                  By the way .. Pavel Grudinin, for example, has something to present to the people - made completely real. But for you this is too shallow, I understand. Much cooler than Putin’s “achievements” before the first testimony wassat
                  1. Stanislas
                    Stanislas 23 March 2018 13: 50
                    +4
                    Quote: avia1991
                    What "real things", projects, best practices - of the level that you are writing about - were with Putin in 2000?
                    And you yourself did not try during the riots, when everyone in the country was merged and everything, going out against the crowd to defend its embassy? Try it, you can grab adrenaline so that it will be remembered for a long time.
                    By the way, there is an opportunity here nearby
                    1. avia1991
                      avia1991 24 March 2018 10: 27
                      +1
                      Quote: Stanislav
                      there is an opportunity here nearby

                      ?? Where is it? If not in Russia, this is not my problem.
                      Quote: Stanislav
                      go against the crowd to defend her embassies?

                      ?? Maybe the "government" - that is, the Supreme Council?
                      If so, he could not: he served as a cadre, and not by his side.
                      And you, by order of the country, went to fight for its interests? Also, you know, enough impressions ..
                      We are confused: and by the way, what does Mr. Putin have to do with his “exploits” before the first presidency? He ... ah, there you are! I didn’t stand nearby, I can’t confirm. But this was the norm of behavior, for a Soviet person. And what does his participation in the defense of the embassy - and the claim to Grudinin that he supposedly "has nothing in his soul to be President" have to do with it? Do not find your argument .. me-me, to put it mildly, rather weak? Or is it just to argue, like "but then we have the fastest deer"?
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 24 March 2018 10: 42
                        +6
                        Quote: avia1991
                        ... our deer are the fastest ...

                        Judging by your comments, they are not only the “fastest”, but also ... the most talented, here laughing
                        Zampolitov, they are such zamopolity request
                      2. Stanislas
                        Stanislas 24 March 2018 11: 09
                        +2
                        Quote: avia1991
                        And you, by order of the country, went to fight for its interests?
                        It did not happen. I went as a volunteer to the divan troops on the 1st information smile It was enough for me to personally experience the conflict with the crowd and the feeling of one push in the back from the shock wave of a shot from the AK in peacetime to understand that Putin, while protecting the embassy building (the “government” from there, emnip, had faded by then), did a worthy deed . Now he withstands the pressure of the West and other mongrels of the United States, which poses a threat not only to him personally, to his relatives, but to his whole country. For money, nmv, this is not done, why are they to a corpse? Here you need to realize the need to be a free person in a free country.
                      3. Stanislas
                        Stanislas 24 March 2018 11: 37
                        +2
                        Quote: avia1991
                        Do not find your argument .. Me-me, to put it mildly, rather weak?
                        There is no need to talk about the norm of behavior for a Soviet person; I have seen many different Soviet people. Yes, and about the social and economic achievements of Grudinin - no need, this is not serious. They sang about Hodor even louder; he also had educational projects. This does not apply to the debt and prosperity of Russia.
                2. naidas
                  naidas 24 March 2018 13: 13
                  0
                  We have a candidate whom the authorities are afraid of and removed by law from the ballot.
                  Against everyone.
              8. Height
                Height 24 March 2018 22: 35
                0
                Revolution again?
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                1. Z_G_R
                  Z_G_R 22 March 2018 13: 39
                  +29
                  I’ve been at VO for a long time, but it was registered during this company when I read the comments, it is simply impossible to be silent when you see the Uraputins. The central media lie impudently and without hiding, and here commentators pick up all this without understanding the capital of Grudinin and deceived equity holders and his other sins. If you like such information coverage of the elections, then I congratulate you, you choose liars) But I don’t like it, it doesn’t even matter if Grudinin is bad or good.
                  1. tracer
                    tracer 22 March 2018 15: 02
                    +7
                    Come out enemies .. I made my choice. And I am happy that he coincided with the choice of most of my compatriots. Just do not think to be rude to me. There are no former paratroopers.
                    1. avia1991
                      avia1991 22 March 2018 22: 37
                      +10
                      Quote: tracer
                      Just do not think to be rude to me. There are no former paratroopers.

                      Oh, how cool we are! .. Here is also a paratrooper who disagrees with you. What answer?
                      1. Height
                        Height 24 March 2018 22: 38
                        0
                        Say: let them tolerate. I think they are not fools, and they don’t want to.
                        Remember, Grudinin said about the blue, that everyone decides for himself whether to judge them or not ...
                    2. badens1111
                      badens1111 23 March 2018 12: 04
                      +3
                      Who is the enemy?
                      Quote: tracer
                      Come out enemies .. I made my choice.

                      It seems like your kind are ready for blood? But have you forgotten how the revolt of live-swallowing in Russia ends? 7 Remember, you will be happy.
                      The same thing is necessary, in their blinding, the quasi-Putinists are ready to write down half the population as enemies ....
                    3. zoolu350
                      zoolu350 24 March 2018 09: 49
                      +3
                      That is, in the northern province of the USM all for Putin? Not surprised. There are no paratroopers in Canada, but there are airborne vehicles.
                  2. Akuzenka
                    Akuzenka 22 March 2018 15: 29
                    +3
                    Colleague, what media do not lie? In addition to thematic, of course (fashion, eroticism and so on). And even then I’m not completely sure of them.
                  3. Provincial_71
                    Provincial_71 22 March 2018 17: 42
                    +4
                    Although I voted for Putin, I also don’t like the techniques used against Grudinin. True, black PR did not affect my choice. You can not choose a "pig in a poke" in the President. In addition, quite "muddy."
              2. freddyk
                freddyk 22 March 2018 12: 15
                +9
                You can call me paranoid

                I call. You can call it spy mania, when spies and enemies seem to be everywhere.
                1. Akuzenka
                  Akuzenka 22 March 2018 15: 31
                  0
                  If you have paranoia, this does not mean that you are not being watched.
              3. avia1991
                avia1991 22 March 2018 13: 09
                +12
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                And the supporters of candidate Grudinin, like Anal and Co., somehow suggest not good thoughts ...

                ??? And when did Navalny become a supporter of Pavel Nikolayevich? Maybe you really have one
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                at the very schizophrenia ...
            3. New Year day
              New Year day 22 March 2018 10: 41
              +19
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              There is only one conclusion: the more time elapses after the election, the angrier the anti-Putin!

              no, why get angry? Putin ran an election campaign at "5". The task is completed. All honestly.
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              they will have to live with this for six years.

              everyone will have to live with it, I don’t think everyone will have more fun
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              come to terms with what happened and take care of your nerves. They will come in handy in the next election.

              the next election will be the same. You can be sure.
              1. freddyk
                freddyk 22 March 2018 12: 28
                +17
                Dear Silvestr, it seems to me that you should not enter into polemics with people who may have a different social status. You will never understand each other. Arguing a rabbit with a fox and blaming her for eating him is pointless. The dispute between red and white is also useless. In 1917 there was a victory for the Reds. In 2018, whites. That's all, this is a given, and we live with it. Red will be worse (well, we don’t get used to it). White is better. Well, the masses (you can’t say otherwise) chose a share for themselves.
                1. Stanislas
                  Stanislas 24 March 2018 11: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: freddyk
                  In 1917 there was a victory for the Reds. In 2018, whites. That's all
                  100 years and all the "red" fried? In 1986, generally red-white (mattress) came. And you have some kind of political color blindness, nmv.
            4. Ascetic
              Ascetic 22 March 2018 10: 42
              +24
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              There is only one conclusion: the more time elapses after the election, the angrier the anti-Putin! Ek, how sausages them!

              And the article reminds Yaroslavna’s cry about the irremovability of power and the illegitimacy of the elections, the victory of some unnamed bureaucrat officials ... Here, of course, we are far from the true democracy of the civilized with their bipartisan system and electors.
              In general, the subtext is clear - the essence of the article in a nutshell, the people, zombified by officials, again chose six years of poverty and degradation. And only hamsters-liberoids and fans of the strawberry crook and thief knew the light of truth.
              The task of the liberals (and the "national-patriotic forces" that joined them) is to prevent the Russians from feeling comfortable in their native country at all costs. Even if virtually, at the level of suggestion and propaganda, it takes control over perception, over the display-response matrix, and embeds a filter in the human brain that perceives extremely negative information.
              And there are beings with whom they succeeded in such brainwashing.
              And when they see independent-minded people who perceive reality critically and in all the variety of emotions (from sadness to joy), they feel physiological hatred towards them. "You can only think as we dictate, and experience only those feelings that we impose on you!".
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                1. Z_G_R
                  Z_G_R 22 March 2018 13: 48
                  +25
                  you open your eyes, opponents of the USA =) In our leadership, people whose relatives live in the West, praise the West, keep money there, have real estate, children who study there. Moreover, ours are doing everything so as not to quarrel with the West completely, one trip to the Olympics without a flag is worth it. Ready to humiliate themselves, if only not to quarrel at all) Well, the government only needs to put the matter so that the people vote for Putin, and that’s all ... what was done with the picture, how we are being clamped and how heroically confronts the West) They divorced easily and simply. ... inside the country we are heroes, and outside the country we crawl on our knees. Yanukovych also tried to sit on two chairs)
                  1. AID.S
                    AID.S 23 March 2018 10: 01
                    +3
                    Quote: Z_G_R
                    you open your eyes, opponents of the USA =) In our leadership, people whose relatives live in the West, praise the West, keep money there, have real estate, children who study there. Moreover, ours are doing everything so as not to quarrel with the West completely, one trip to the Olympics without a flag is worth it. Ready to humiliate themselves, if only not to quarrel at all) Well, the government only needs to put the matter so that the people vote for Putin, and that’s all ... what was done with the picture, how we are being clamped and how heroically confronts the West) They divorced easily and simply. ... inside the country we are heroes, and outside the country we crawl on our knees. Yanukovych also tried to sit on two chairs)

                    You say so, as if there was no creeping in the west and plundering Russia to Putin. Everything was fine, then Putin got out of Yeltsin’s bosom and it started ... Relatives went abroad ... and a powerful Russia, to which everyone was listening (Primakov’s turn) began to weaken and is stolen. Putin returned the oligarchs to the government. Putin repented in Munich in 2007, gave Ossetia and Abkhazia in 2008, and adopted an army disarmament program. I watched as the pravoseki pacify the Crimea, and our fleet leaves under Novorossiysk. In general, he was ruining Russia as he could.
                    Even when the dollar collapsed in the 14th, to 15 rubles, this did not help the Russians.
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 23 March 2018 12: 07
                      +2
                      Quote: AID.S
                      Even when the dollar collapsed in the 14th, to 15 rubles, this did not help the Russians.

                      Oh .. well, at what century did the dollar fall so much? And why would the income level steadily creep down since 2014.
                      Where do you live, on Rublevka? Then your level of argumentation and the level of complete misunderstanding of the situation are clear.
                      1. Stanislas
                        Stanislas 23 March 2018 14: 12
                        0
                        Quote: badens1111
                        exactly since 2014
                        I mean, until 2014 stably pearl? Have you lost your business in Crimea?
                      2. AID.S
                        AID.S 23 March 2018 15: 12
                        +3
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Oh .. well, at what century did the dollar fall so much? And why would the income level steadily creep down since 2014.

                        And the rest in my comment did not raise questions? Are you born in the 14th year? Or memory 4 years?
            5. Gardamir
              Gardamir 22 March 2018 14: 45
              +13
              Therefore, my advice to them: to reconcile
              And you will reconcile. The government in the name of Putin will raise taxes.
            6. Semen1972
              Semen1972 23 March 2018 12: 03
              0
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              And they are angry now not because Putin became president, but because they lost!

              From the fact that time passes, but life does not get better. And who is the Authority, and at least Darth Vader.
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        4. NordUral
          NordUral 26 March 2018 13: 56
          +2
          You are a strange person, Vyacheslav! After all, it was the liberals, led by the guarantor of the liberal system and economy, who won (or rather falsified these results).
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        1. Hard Rock
          Hard Rock 22 March 2018 07: 09
          +22
          Listen, dear, I have been and will be a patriot of my homeland! And I respect Putin, because he is a real man! Dot. Unlike you, I'm not sitting on the sofa! And I served in the army, and have injuries! You don’t like something, so go ahead, or rush into the hole, only with your head, otherwise it hurts you. Judging by the nickname of the gods, you already have a lot, incommensurably more than the mind, you can not answer. To argue with you is not to respect yourself!
          1. Vladivostok1969
            Vladivostok1969 22 March 2018 07: 17
            +13
            Do you have my photo on the couch? Yes you are a spy. bully
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 22 March 2018 07: 57
            +19
            To argue with you is not to respect yourself!
            So do not argue, go away and kiss the TV sucked.
            1. Height
              Height 24 March 2018 22: 49
              +2
              Kiss with Grundin and not Noah. He is for you, says that we will agree with the West on the Crimea. Kemska volost? Yes, take it, it’s a pity ...
          3. free
            free 22 March 2018 08: 13
            +43
            Quote: Hard Rock
            Listen, dear, I have been and will be a patriot of my homeland! And I respect Putin, because he is a real man! Dot. Unlike you, I'm not sitting on the sofa! And I served in the army, and have injuries! You don’t like something, so go ahead, or rush into the hole, only with your head, otherwise it hurts you. Judging by the nickname of the gods, you already have a lot, incommensurably more than the mind, you can not answer. To argue with you is not to respect yourself!

            Strongly, I even got up from a chair, a hand out of habit of pulling my temple ........ uh, naughty!smile
            What is patriotism in your opinion? What is your view of loving the homeland and the people? In my opinion, this is when you live and if you need to die for the country, this is when you work for the prosperity of the country and to increase the well-being of the people, to strengthen independence and economic power, etc. .d.
            Now look at what we have now, we are not economically dependent? We feed ourselves? What remains with us except the gas and oil pipes? Why do we have ruined medetsine and education? Mannerheim and kolchak boards? We treat sick children all over the country !? villages collapsed! There is no work by and large! And where is Putin ?, and despite the fact that we have a presidential form of government, the president is responsible for everything and has the necessary levers to rectify the situation.
            So are the patriots who are in power? Why did they arrange it all and do not change anything? Probably because of great love for the people and the country, nothing else.
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 22 March 2018 09: 25
              +26
              free (Andrey) Today, 08:13 ↑ New
              What do you think is patriotism? What is your opinion to love the Motherland and people?
              So you are a patriot? And then what do you spit on the choice of PEOPLE ?! Or again, the wrong people got it? And what kind of people do you “love” more that the one who is mostly for Putin, or the one who is in the minority for Grudinin? What kind of people are you going to die for, if the Motherland orders? And where is your homeland, this is another question ... ??? "Patriot" you are ours, damn it. negative soldier
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 22 March 2018 14: 34
                +11
                Are you our patriot?
                so you can argue to infinity, who is more patriotic.
                the choice of PEOPLE?
                That is, the evil West against Russia and a network-centric war are also waging technology in the service of enemies. What do you think the oligarchs will so easily give up power? You want to say that the people chose Chubais, Shuvalov and other Putin's?
                But right after the election
                https://www.vedomosti.ru/economics/articles/2018/
                03/22/754520-povishenie-podohodnogo-naloga
                Did people vote for a worsening life? People drove around the ears, if only not for the 90s, but it would be worse.
              2. free
                free 22 March 2018 18: 00
                +13
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                free (Andrey) Today, 08:13 ↑ New
                What do you think is patriotism? What is your opinion to love the Motherland and people?
                So you are a patriot? And then what do you spit on the choice of PEOPLE ?! Or again, the wrong people got it? And what kind of people do you “love” more that the one who is mostly for Putin, or the one who is in the minority for Grudinin? What kind of people are you going to die for, if the Motherland orders? And where is your homeland, this is another question ... ??? "Patriot" you are ours, damn it. negative soldier

                I love my homeland, Russia, and I will not run under the thieves and enemies of the people for any nishtyaki and three times glory to the Soviet Union and the Soviet school that taught me how to think. I will not argue with you, I just wait when you beloved beloved gdp and others like that they will spread rot for you, I won’t even list what is being prepared for you soon, the more sensitive the blow to your stupid head will be, the tenacity is treated only unfortunately. impoverishment. The faster people wake up, on an empty stomach they think clearer.
              3. badens1111
                badens1111 23 March 2018 12: 11
                +2
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                And what kind of people do you “love” more that the one who is mostly for Putin, or the one who is in the minority for Grudinin? What kind of people are you going to die for, if the Motherland orders?

                Now let’s see how many of those who in every ruble voted for GDP will go into battle, and how many london will go through and remain there and surrender, and how many of those who are for Grudinin will go into trenches, knowing that he has no other homeland . Consider yourself what percentage will be?
            2. raw174
              raw174 22 March 2018 10: 08
              +26
              Quote: free
              are we not economically dependent?

              So far, a torn economy is working. A budget has been formed, salaries are paid without delay (single exceptions do not count), enterprises work as planned. But the West so wanted to see riots in the Russian Federation ...
              Quote: free
              do we feed ourselves?

              Yes. We import jamon, and we can completely provide basic food ourselves.
              Quote: free
              What do we have left besides a gas and oil pipe?

              Export: Defense, we are the second; In metallurgy, we are among the leaders, and on some points the first; We are an exporter of agricultural products (cereals); Heavy machinery (presses, etc.) we export; Rosatom is one of the world leaders in nuclear energy, Russia is now an exporter of all high-tech jumper! A company from Russia covers more than 35% of the global market for electronic cartographic and navigation systems (ECDIS), about 25% of the number of installations of a ship traffic control system (VTS) and over 45% of the global market for marine simulators, our software is also bought abroad. .. For a long time you can list ...
              Quote: free
              Why do we disintegrate medecine and education?

              Are your children illiterate due to lack of school or they cannot get a working specialty? Are you sick and an ambulance will not come to you? I understand that there are many problems, especially in small towns and villages (I live in the village), but it’s not lost!
              Quote: free
              villages are ruined!

              Do you live in a village? Do you know how it is from the inside and what is the reason? or judge by demotivators?
              Quote: free
              So are those patriots in power?

              Rather yes than no. I’m talking about Putin, I don’t know everyone.
              1. AIR
                AIR 22 March 2018 10: 58
                +9
                I fully support the answer!
                1. kotvov
                  kotvov 22 March 2018 18: 46
                  +1
                  behind the rope, go to the local EP unit.
                  1. Height
                    Height 24 March 2018 22: 57
                    0
                    For soap - in the local department of babies.
              2. free
                free 22 March 2018 18: 04
                +1
                Quote: raw174
                Quote: free
                are we not economically dependent?

                So far, a torn economy is working. A budget has been formed, salaries are paid without delay (single exceptions do not count), enterprises work as planned. But the West so wanted to see riots in the Russian Federation ...
                Quote: free
                do we feed ourselves?

                Yes. We import jamon, and we can completely provide basic food ourselves.
                Quote: free
                What do we have left besides a gas and oil pipe?

                Export: Defense, we are the second; In metallurgy, we are among the leaders, and on some points the first; We are an exporter of agricultural products (cereals); Heavy machinery (presses, etc.) we export; Rosatom is one of the world leaders in nuclear energy, Russia is now an exporter of all high-tech jumper! A company from Russia covers more than 35% of the global market for electronic cartographic and navigation systems (ECDIS), about 25% of the number of installations of a ship traffic control system (VTS) and over 45% of the global market for marine simulators, our software is also bought abroad. .. For a long time you can list ...
                Quote: free
                Why do we disintegrate medecine and education?

                Are your children illiterate due to lack of school or they cannot get a working specialty? Are you sick and an ambulance will not come to you? I understand that there are many problems, especially in small towns and villages (I live in the village), but it’s not lost!
                Quote: free
                villages are ruined!

                Do you live in a village? Do you know how it is from the inside and what is the reason? or judge by demotivators?
                Quote: free
                So are those patriots in power?

                Rather yes than no. I’m talking about Putin, I don’t know everyone.

                Wait, we are patient.
                1. Goodwin
                  Goodwin 23 March 2018 13: 21
                  +2
                  You wait, and we will work!
              3. RLW77
                RLW77 22 March 2018 20: 14
                +4
                I fully support !!! Who wants one works and earns ... and who wants a freebie that roars that all is lost)))) Everything is fine ... turn it over ... we’ll start casting in a week, we’ll start casting aluminum into a chill mold ... 500kg casting per day .. ... two milling machines were delivered ... the operator earns 40 tons for me ... the foundry worker 60 tons ... the adjuster 65 tons. Everyone is happy ... orders are sea ..
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 23 March 2018 09: 00
                  +4
                  Quote: RLW77
                  my operator earns 40t .. foundry worker 60t ... installer 65t. Everyone is happy ... orders are sea ..

                  How many operators do you have? One? How many casters? One? Just imagine: looking at you, 100 people rushed to do the same! Result: 300+ people were provided with work for a short time, the market was saturated, there were no orders, and even the price tag for electricity went up, fuel and lubricants went up, plus taxes increased ... in the end, you went broke, sold equipment for nothing, 300+ people replenished the army unemployed. Some of them had plans for the future, hope for stability .. WHERE is all this? Do you personally guarantee your workers that you can provide them with stable employment at least for the next 6 years?! .. Just don’t answer “YES” - you will look silly laughing
                  That’s why there shouldn’t be a situation where simply “whoever wants what he does” should have conditions for realizing such opportunities. And there must be a GOSPLAN of development! Instead, we now - and over the past few years - see only vague prospects for "improving well-being and making life better," and the striking differences between these "prospects" and reality.
                2. Height
                  Height 24 March 2018 23: 00
                  0
                  You see, some expect that a savior will come and everyone will receive 50 thousand each, so simple.
                  1. avia1991
                    avia1991 25 March 2018 22: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: Height
                    You see, some expect that a savior will come and everyone will receive 50 thousand each, so simple.

                    Some may be. Most people want to be able to get a STABLE job (preferably in their specialty), and get a STABLE salary corresponding to Reality on it! In my opinion, a completely fair and legitimate desire. Small business FOR EVERYONE - bullshit. But in order to employ people, it is necessary for the state to invest money in its OWN economy - and not in the US one. Until this happens, there will be a “gray” economy, where not a single worker is protected from the whims of the employer, and, God forbid, we can expect a month ahead.
                    And she also wildly got the FALSE that the state media feed us on - in particular, regarding the "average salary", the new-fangled Idol, which our rulers love to wave!
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 25 March 2018 22: 24
                      +7
                      Quote: avia1991
                      avia1991

                      ABOUT! Zampolit drew good
                      Quote: avia1991
                      they want to be able to get a STABLE job (preferably in their specialty), and get a STABLE salary corresponding to Reality

                      Nifiga se belay
                      Quote: avia1991
                      In my opinion, a completely fair and legitimate desire

                      But difficult to do.
                      Quote: avia1991
                      in order to employ people, it is necessary for the state to invest money in its OWN economy - and not in the US

                      Um ... how much has the state "invested in the US economy", well, say ... over the past 10 years? About at least?
                      And why should the state, not private owners, create new industries?
                      And where is that earthly paradise, where everyone has a guaranteed job, in their specialty, well-paid, and at the same time in the shops there is everything plus a little more from above?
                      Or is it all only in your dreams? wink
                      1. free
                        free 26 March 2018 17: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Quote: avia1991
                        avia1991

                        ABOUT! Zampolit drew good
                        Quote: avia1991
                        they want to be able to get a STABLE job (preferably in their specialty), and get a STABLE salary corresponding to Reality

                        Nifiga se belay
                        Quote: avia1991
                        In my opinion, a completely fair and legitimate desire

                        But difficult to do.
                        Quote: avia1991
                        in order to employ people, it is necessary for the state to invest money in its OWN economy - and not in the US

                        Um ... how much has the state "invested in the US economy", well, say ... over the past 10 years? About at least?
                        And why should the state, not private owners, create new industries?
                        And where is that earthly paradise, where everyone has a guaranteed job, in their specialty, well-paid, and at the same time in the shops there is everything plus a little more from above?
                        Or is it all only in your dreams? wink

                        and for hell do I need a state that dumped everything on me? it wants to have a tax on me, but it doesn’t work! The state is such a government (our oligarchy is essentially the same as a large bureaucracy) The state wants me to protect it, but when this does not care about the observance of my rights. Why the hell do I need such a state and government? Do not confuse the state and the homeland.
                    2. Height
                      Height April 1 2018 15: 08
                      0
                      Do you have an economic education? I just see that everything is so easy for you in the economic sphere.
              4. free
                free 22 March 2018 22: 07
                +3
                Quote: raw174
                Quote: free
                are we not economically dependent?

                So far, a torn economy is working. A budget has been formed, salaries are paid without delay (single exceptions do not count), enterprises work as planned. But the West so wanted to see riots in the Russian Federation ...
                Quote: free
                do we feed ourselves?

                Yes. We import jamon, and we can completely provide basic food ourselves.
                Quote: free
                What do we have left besides a gas and oil pipe?

                Export: Defense, we are the second; In metallurgy, we are among the leaders, and on some points the first; We are an exporter of agricultural products (cereals); Heavy machinery (presses, etc.) we export; Rosatom is one of the world leaders in nuclear energy, Russia is now an exporter of all high-tech jumper! A company from Russia covers more than 35% of the global market for electronic cartographic and navigation systems (ECDIS), about 25% of the number of installations of a ship traffic control system (VTS) and over 45% of the global market for marine simulators, our software is also bought abroad. .. For a long time you can list ...
                Quote: free
                Why do we disintegrate medecine and education?

                Are your children illiterate due to lack of school or they cannot get a working specialty? Are you sick and an ambulance will not come to you? I understand that there are many problems, especially in small towns and villages (I live in the village), but it’s not lost!
                Quote: free
                villages are ruined!

                Do you live in a village? Do you know how it is from the inside and what is the reason? or judge by demotivators?
                Quote: free
                So are those patriots in power?

                Rather yes than no. I’m talking about Putin, I don’t know everyone.

                The villages died because there is no work and no prospects, and the village, meanwhile, feeds the city. Fields are abandoned, import substitution in agriculture is a bluff.
                1. raw174
                  raw174 23 March 2018 07: 01
                  +4
                  Quote: free
                  The villages died because there is no work and no prospects, and the village, meanwhile, feeds the city. Fields are abandoned, import substitution in agriculture is a bluff.

                  I asked you directly, what relation do you have to the village? I live in the village all my life. In the south of the Urals I’ll tell you exactly, there is no empty land, everything is being processed.
                  1. free
                    free 23 March 2018 09: 23
                    +1
                    Quote: raw174
                    Quote: free
                    The villages died because there is no work and no prospects, and the village, meanwhile, feeds the city. Fields are abandoned, import substitution in agriculture is a bluff.

                    I asked you directly, what relation do you have to the village? I live in the village all my life. In the south of the Urals I’ll tell you exactly, there is no empty land, everything is being processed.

                    I visit the village regularly, even if it hadn’t happened that it changes? We don’t live in the Stone Age, don’t be silly! I see what is happening with the village, and leave your fables to yourself.
                    1. raw174
                      raw174 23 March 2018 13: 35
                      +3
                      Quote: free
                      and keep your fables with you.

                      No, I will express myself! If you think everything is lost in agriculture, where does the grain exported come from? Why are we growing production of agricultural products? Meat production is growing ...
                      1. free
                        free 23 March 2018 17: 44
                        0
                        Stay with your opinion.
                      2. avia1991
                        avia1991 24 March 2018 03: 37
                        +4
                        Quote: raw174
                        Where does grain exported come from?

                        From here. Remember where this grain is mainly grown?
                        And also remember how a woman from the Omsk Region complained to Putin that the crop was harvested but no one needs it: there are no elevators to save everything, nor does Russian Railways give cars to transport grain to wholesalers! How to understand it?!
                        As for export, this, again, is a benefit for those "especially close", and a smut for the rest, because the highest quality product is sent for export, and the remainder is the feed level, which feed the population, diluting the flour generously with starch and chalk - for whiteness!
                        For the normal provision of the economy with grain, we need to collect about 145 million tons - one ton per brother. AND THIS IS ONLY FOR INTERNAL NEEDS! A sale over a hill is a crime for the purpose of personal gain, and nothing else. Nobody will tell you how much, and for what (budget!) Money, we buy compound feeds! There is nothing to do with their own - they sold grain in a foreign land ..
              5. Vladivostok1969
                Vladivostok1969 23 March 2018 01: 44
                +5
                raw174 (Ravil) Are you sick and an ambulance will not come to you?

                On May 9, 2017, at the exit from the store, the man looked over 80 years old. People were close by and did not let the man fall. They started calling an ambulance. She just didn’t come to call from a cell phone. And when they started to call from a stationary - at the other end of the wire they asked questions from the store how old the person was and WHAT happened to him. Since no one knew the exact age of the man and (the person was half-dead) because of what happened, the dispatcher refused to call and the ambulance did not arrive. Do you think this is one case?
                1. raw174
                  raw174 23 March 2018 07: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: Vladivostok1969
                  Here are just a call from a cell phone, she does not come.

                  Quote: Vladivostok1969
                  Since no one knew the exact age of the man and (the person was half-fainted) because of what happened, the dispatcher refused to call and the ambulance did not arrive. Do you think this is one case?

                  I think yes, single. This is a direct violation of the instructions and in my opinion a crime! In our region, system 112 is now being installed, a pilot project. This is a network of secure communication channels, closed on EDDS. All information about emergency calls will be stored in electronic journals, with the ability to determine the number and coordinates of the caller (with coordinates, it’s not yet clear to me how the bearing will be implemented). Calls will be taken by the operator, and the dispatcher will process them and decide on the use of forces and means. This is done to more quickly take action and eliminate such situations.
                  1. avia1991
                    avia1991 23 March 2018 09: 12
                    +4
                    Quote: raw174
                    I think yes, single. This is a direct violation of the instructions and in my opinion a crime!

                    Think further. When the ambulance does not come to you (DON'T GIVE GOD! ONLY FOR LIABILITY), remember these your thoughts, and do not reproach the doctors for nothing - you will be just “another exception”.
                    Quote: raw174
                    In our region, system 112 is now being installed, a pilot project. This is a network of secure communication channels, closed on EDDS

                    ..and further down the list. This has been working at the Center for a long time, but .. Do you really seriously think that this greatly affects the quality of service ?!
                    Thank God, firefighters arrive more or less on time, which is even surprising given how much they are paid.
                    As for the village .. you, beyond the Urals, were “lucky” more than the Central Federal District, for example: thieves just didn’t get to your places so quickly. Here, the withering away of the villages began with the looting of everything that had real value. And without the machinery and equipment, the farms have already bent on their own .. and there were no prospects (and there aren’t much now), and those who were stronger and younger — they rushed to search for a better share, just so as not to shed tears, but in an effort to ensure yourself and family!
                    1. free
                      free 23 March 2018 09: 25
                      0
                      Quote: avia1991
                      Quote: raw174
                      I think yes, single. This is a direct violation of the instructions and in my opinion a crime!

                      Think further. When the ambulance does not come to you (DON'T GIVE GOD! ONLY FOR LIABILITY), remember these your thoughts, and do not reproach the doctors for nothing - you will be just “another exception”.
                      Quote: raw174
                      In our region, system 112 is now being installed, a pilot project. This is a network of secure communication channels, closed on EDDS

                      ..and further down the list. This has been working at the Center for a long time, but .. Do you really seriously think that this greatly affects the quality of service ?!
                      Thank God, firefighters arrive more or less on time, which is even surprising given how much they are paid.
                      As for the village .. you, beyond the Urals, were “lucky” more than the Central Federal District, for example: thieves just didn’t get to your places so quickly. Here, the withering away of the villages began with the looting of everything that had real value. And without the machinery and equipment, the farms have already bent on their own .. and there were no prospects (and there aren’t much now), and those who were stronger and younger — they rushed to search for a better share, just so as not to shed tears, but in an effort to ensure yourself and family!

                      there is such a website called Mchsnik, it’s interesting to take a look at something that awaits fire protection, soon fire protection will be like an ambulance.
                    2. raw174
                      raw174 23 March 2018 09: 34
                      +1
                      Quote: avia1991
                      This has been working at the Center for a long time, but .. Do you really seriously think that this greatly affects the quality of service ?!

                      No, that still doesn't work. It is planned to launch by September. 112 today - EDDS phone. System 112, which I am talking about, is a complex hardware complex above all. Direct communication with all emergency services and more efficient management, one-man management, if you like, plus storing information in databases, magazines, etc., and this is important just in the case you have presented ... How this will work, operation will show.
                      Quote: avia1991
                      Here, the withering away of the villages began with the looting of everything that had real value.

                      Everything Soviet was stolen from us back in the 90s. Out of more than 20 farms, two large ones remained, the rest - small peasant farms (about 8-10 pcs.). Their leaders dragged the state farms, and then opened their own enterprises. What did not happen was livestock ... now 15 percent of the Soviet one, but they are increasing annually.
                    3. Height
                      Height 24 March 2018 23: 05
                      +1
                      avia1991, do not dramatize, there are isolated cases. Refusing to help for some reason is a criminal offense.
                2. Goodwin
                  Goodwin 23 March 2018 13: 39
                  +1
                  Let you not believe it. Nobody has canceled certain thugs, but the ambulance dispatcher has no right to refuse a call, even to the homeless, even to the oligarch. And to answer standard questions about the approximate age and nature of the attack is a matter of a few seconds (it depends on which team to send - linear or resuscitation). All calls are recorded. I repeat once again, if the dispatcher is not a stupid person (and such, as a rule, do not take root), they have no right to refuse.
            3. Victor N
              Victor N 22 March 2018 12: 09
              +8
              No need to die and tear veins throughout the country. It is enough to provide for yourself and your family on your own. The country's national wealth includes household wealth.
              Any power provides opportunities to live and work, but should not work for anyone and is not obligated to serve.
              I take the opportunity to earn, study, be treated, which is what I wish for everyone!
            4. 4ybys
              4ybys 22 March 2018 12: 52
              +5
              About the oil and gas pipe. In Russia over the past 10 years, enormous investments have been made in oil and gas refining, old facilities are being reconstructed with increasing capacity and lowering fuel and energy resources, and new ones are being built. I work in the field of chemical engineering and I know what I'm talking about. Therefore, reading about the "pipe, oil, gas" from the training manual is simply ridiculous.
            5. Galina Artamonova
              Galina Artamonova 22 March 2018 14: 16
              +8
              free, you have a strange logic: “So are the patriots in power? Why did they arrange it and do not change anything?”, you write, as if all the people were quietly sitting on benches in the park, and a savage with a club was wandering around the country and that’s it smashes. And people look and get angry: "Well, why Putin will not stop this tramp! He will not give an order. to be caught and arrested!"
              But in fact, this is what happens. Grudinin could plant all his territories with agricultural crops, as was the case under the USSR. It’s a lie that agricultural land is “unsuitable.” Local residents remember very well what happened back in the 60s and 90s in these places and even in places remote to the city center. Fields, state farms and collective farms, farms. 1960 - the collective farm in Beskudnikovo was still there, 1976 - the state farm in Tsaritsyno, grew cucumbers on open ground-In 2010 (only!) the corn field in Rastorguevo was threatened. Look at the map where all this is located. So why didn’t Grudinin take care of food security? But because HE HAS RENTED THESE LANDS FOR RENT UNDER MULTI-STOREY BUILDING AND SHOPPING CENTERS. Fertile zemlytse turned out to be a bonanza, but not when strawberries grow on it, but when high-rise buildings of a comfort class grow in which ordinary Muscovites cannot buy apartments and on a mortgage. Here are the accounts abroad. His personal pocket is more important for him than state interests. In Stalin's time, he was in the Gulag, or maybe under execution, in Soviet times, they would have been removed from office and probably would have been put down. But can Putin put him in prison? It's funny, really! But now we have capitalism -freedom of entrepreneurship! Grudinin, he is now a presidential candidate !!! And how many around the country there are those who consider themselves worthy, stealing, building up, destroying factories, hospitals, schools FOR YOUR POCKET. Today I learned with sorrow TREATING TO TAKE OUT VAVILOV'S HERITAGE IN THE USA-SEED FUND! Do you think Putin is to blame again? Well, what should he explode or something! Or, perhaps, it is necessary, as A. I. Fursov advises. to introduce an oprichnina, an emergency type of the Cheka? The big deficit in Russia seems to be among civilian, not moaning, whiners, but real brave, courageous, honest as glassy and incorruptible men!
              1. APIS
                APIS 22 March 2018 17: 43
                +10
                Quote: Galina Artamonova
                Today I learned with sorrow TREATING TO TAKE OUT VAVILOV'S HERITAGE IN THE USA-SEED FUND! Do you think Putin is to blame again?

                Galina, who do you think is to blame? Conspiracy of Grudinin, Zhirinovsky, Sobchak, etc. Underline whatever applicable? Is not the president responsible for preserving the country's wealth.
                You wrote a lot of beeches, just everything by. Under the USSR, Grudinin found there was money for the development of the economy, but where would he get it in the 90s? He could have acted like 99 percent of his colleagues - leaving only himself and an accountant in the state of AO, selling everything (you probably know the land prices from MKAD) and dumping him. In the same London, a wealthy man. Just like not going to school !!! A person spins as he can in those conditions where he lives.
                1. free
                  free 22 March 2018 18: 20
                  +6
                  Quote: APIS
                  Quote: Galina Artamonova
                  Today I learned with sorrow TREATING TO TAKE OUT VAVILOV'S HERITAGE IN THE USA-SEED FUND! Do you think Putin is to blame again?

                  Galina, who do you think is to blame? Conspiracy of Grudinin, Zhirinovsky, Sobchak, etc. Underline whatever applicable? Is not the president responsible for preserving the country's wealth.
                  You wrote a lot of beeches, just everything by. Under the USSR, Grudinin found there was money for the development of the economy, but where would he get it in the 90s? He could have acted like 99 percent of his colleagues - leaving only himself and an accountant in the state of AO, selling everything (you probably know the land prices from MKAD) and dumping him. In the same London, a wealthy man. Just like not going to school !!! A person spins as he can in those conditions where he lives.

                  Or maybe you need to plant, punish, control, make promises and don’t forget to keep them? Putin gave the May instructions and they have not been fulfilled so far too Grudinin is to blame or maybe Trump, oh yes they are Freemasons, they’re sitting in the government and not they let him change, and it is they who say in Putin's voice that he is satisfied with the government. For people like you, we have the presidential form of government, this means the president has all the tools that are needed, it’s up to desire and political will, but the trouble can’t the brightest by force.
              2. free
                free 22 March 2018 18: 08
                0
                Quote: Galina Artamonova
                free, you have a strange logic: “So are the patriots in power? Why did they arrange it and do not change anything?”, you write, as if all the people were quietly sitting on benches in the park, and a savage with a club was wandering around the country and that’s it smashes. And people look and get angry: "Well, why Putin will not stop this tramp! He will not give an order. to be caught and arrested!"
                But in fact, this is what happens. Grudinin could plant all his territories with agricultural crops, as was the case under the USSR. It’s a lie that agricultural land is “unsuitable.” Local residents remember very well what happened back in the 60s and 90s in these places and even in places remote to the city center. Fields, state farms and collective farms, farms. 1960 - the collective farm in Beskudnikovo was still there, 1976 - the state farm in Tsaritsyno, grew cucumbers on open ground-In 2010 (only!) the corn field in Rastorguevo was threatened. Look at the map where all this is located. So why didn’t Grudinin take care of food security? But because HE HAS RENTED THESE LANDS FOR RENT UNDER MULTI-STOREY BUILDING AND SHOPPING CENTERS. Fertile zemlytse turned out to be a bonanza, but not when strawberries grow on it, but when high-rise buildings of a comfort class grow in which ordinary Muscovites cannot buy apartments and on a mortgage. Here are the accounts abroad. His personal pocket is more important for him than state interests. In Stalin's time, he was in the Gulag, or maybe under execution, in Soviet times, they would have been removed from office and probably would have been put down. But can Putin put him in prison? It's funny, really! But now we have capitalism -freedom of entrepreneurship! Grudinin, he is now a presidential candidate !!! And how many around the country there are those who consider themselves worthy, stealing, building up, destroying factories, hospitals, schools FOR YOUR POCKET. Today I learned with sorrow TREATING TO TAKE OUT VAVILOV'S HERITAGE IN THE USA-SEED FUND! Do you think Putin is to blame again? Well, what should he explode or something! Or, perhaps, it is necessary, as A. I. Fursov advises. to introduce an oprichnina, an emergency type of the Cheka? The big deficit in Russia seems to be among civilian, not moaning, whiners, but real brave, courageous, honest as glassy and incorruptible men!

                Or maybe you need to plant, punish, control, make promises and don’t forget to keep them? Putin gave the May instructions and they have not been fulfilled so far too Grudinin is to blame or maybe Trump, oh yes they are Freemasons, they’re sitting in the government and not they let him change, and it is they who say in Putin's voice that he is satisfied with the government. For people like you, we have the presidential form of government, this means the president has all the tools that are needed, it’s up to desire and political will, but the trouble can’t the brightest by force.
              3. free
                free 23 March 2018 09: 38
                +1
                Quote: Galina Artamonova
                free, you have a strange logic: “So are the patriots in power? Why did they arrange it and do not change anything?”, you write, as if all the people were quietly sitting on benches in the park, and a savage with a club was wandering around the country and that’s it smashes. And people look and get angry: "Well, why Putin will not stop this tramp! He will not give an order. to be caught and arrested!"
                But in fact, this is what happens. Grudinin could plant all his territories with agricultural crops, as was the case under the USSR. It’s a lie that agricultural land is “unsuitable.” Local residents remember very well what happened back in the 60s and 90s in these places and even in places remote to the city center. Fields, state farms and collective farms, farms. 1960 - the collective farm in Beskudnikovo was still there, 1976 - the state farm in Tsaritsyno, grew cucumbers on open ground-In 2010 (only!) the corn field in Rastorguevo was threatened. Look at the map where all this is located. So why didn’t Grudinin take care of food security? But because HE HAS RENTED THESE LANDS FOR RENT UNDER MULTI-STOREY BUILDING AND SHOPPING CENTERS. Fertile zemlytse turned out to be a bonanza, but not when strawberries grow on it, but when high-rise buildings of a comfort class grow in which ordinary Muscovites cannot buy apartments and on a mortgage. Here are the accounts abroad. His personal pocket is more important for him than state interests. In Stalin's time, he was in the Gulag, or maybe under execution, in Soviet times, they would have been removed from office and probably would have been put down. But can Putin put him in prison? It's funny, really! But now we have capitalism -freedom of entrepreneurship! Grudinin, he is now a presidential candidate !!! And how many around the country there are those who consider themselves worthy, stealing, building up, destroying factories, hospitals, schools FOR YOUR POCKET. Today I learned with sorrow TREATING TO TAKE OUT VAVILOV'S HERITAGE IN THE USA-SEED FUND! Do you think Putin is to blame again? Well, what should he explode or something! Or, perhaps, it is necessary, as A. I. Fursov advises. to introduce an oprichnina, an emergency type of the Cheka? The big deficit in Russia seems to be among civilian, not moaning, whiners, but real brave, courageous, honest as glassy and incorruptible men!

                Dear Galina Artamonovna, sometimes it is better to chew than speak (in this case, write).By no means did I want to offend you but it’s ridiculous to read your comment. No one in their right mind accuses Putin of the tricks of individual people, this is stupid! But ask yourself, should Putin personally look at the actions of individual people? Of course not, for that there are relevant departments, but you really have to the first you hear, isn’t it? Now ask yourself, are you honestly satisfied with the work of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the courts, the prosecutor’s office, the antimonopoly service, the ministry of finance? Who else but Putin should control their work, he has all the necessary tools in his hands, he is the guarantor of the constitution , we have a presidential form of government, do you understand this? When departments work through the stump of a deck, a mess occurs, and it’s for a mess and not a desire to put things in order and criticize Putin.
              4. AID.S
                AID.S 23 March 2018 11: 42
                0
                Quote: Galina Artamonova
                Look at the map where all this is located. So why didn’t Grudinin take care of food security? But because HE HAS RENTED THESE LANDS FOR RENT UNDER MULTI-STOREY BUILDING AND SHOPPING CENTERS.

                laughing In hindsight, it’s convenient to ask uncomfortable questions. Did the chairman of the collective farm near Moscow, the capitalist Grudinin, stand in the 90s and under Putin the task of food security in Russia? Fuck, but a little, the goal is to make a profit, develop, or at least preserve your company. Could he have acted differently? Another in his place could sell everything for development, lease it and dump it in France until the raiders or the state were selected. And about us. Has anyone thought about Russia's security when he received money in an envelope? And with us, almost the whole country lived, and still lives.
              5. avia1991
                avia1991 23 March 2018 18: 57
                0
                Quote: Galina Artamonova
                So why didn’t Grudinin care about food security? And because

                He needed to save the state farm, and not just let these lands be sold, which could easily happen. Do not forget - he became a director in the 95th, and not in the 91st! And leasing the land belonging to the state farm to such big bigwigs could be a condition for protecting the state farm itself against raider attacks - did you think about that?
                Now tell us an example of an agricultural enterprise whose management did not act so “dishonestly”, and at the same time provides its employees with high salaries, social support, builds and subsidizes housing for them .. ?? There are options?
                And another question: What do you personally have to do with the state farm to them. Lenin? What do you base your reasoning on - the “chernukha” used by the media to pour water on Grudinin?
            6. Stanislas
              Stanislas 23 March 2018 14: 23
              +1
              Quote: free
              Why do we have ruined medicine and education?
              belay education campaign already kirdyk smile
          4. naidas
            naidas 24 March 2018 13: 20
            +3
            Quote: Hard Rock
            And I respect Putin, because he is a real man!

            Being a patriot and respecting Putin are somewhat different concepts.
            And Putin, by average standards for Russia, is a wimp, he cannot live on the average salary of Russians, he has only one way to support and serve the oligarchs.
            1. Height
              Height 24 March 2018 23: 12
              +1
              Have you tried it yourself?
          5. NordUral
            NordUral 26 March 2018 13: 57
            0
            Rude then why, my friend?
        2. Hard Rock
          Hard Rock 22 March 2018 07: 11
          +5
          Sorry, this is written by 1969
        3. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 22 March 2018 07: 14
          +10
          Have you read about my merits somewhere? You flatter me. And poison in a certain dose of medicine. Well, what will I do? Well, believe me, I will find something to do. Here are the public gardens near our house, the wipers sidestep. hi
          1. Hard Rock
            Hard Rock 22 March 2018 07: 18
            +7
            Yeah and mushrooms in the forest, the main thing is not to get the poison! Or do not bother someone thread
            1. free
              free 22 March 2018 08: 17
              +25
              Quote: Hard Rock
              Yeah and mushrooms in the forest, the main thing is not to get the poison! Or do not bother someone thread

              In order to collect mushrooms and fish, you will soon have to pay a tax, do your favorites have any plans, is patriotism too?
              1. Victor N
                Victor N 22 March 2018 12: 15
                +3
                Well then, are you so scaring yourself ?! It seemed to you. And nature must be protected, yes. In Germany, it has long been forbidden to pick mushrooms in the forest, they love chanterelles from Belarus, and take care of their own. And we have introduced fishing rules a long time ago.
        4. avia1991
          avia1991 22 March 2018 13: 15
          +6
          Quote: Titsen
          past merits do not need to be listed, who knows who it was!

          The main thing is who you are now!

          .. And who are you now, you can ask? And what has been done so great for the country (not its own, by the way, judging by the flag), if you allow yourself to blame a stranger for inaction? Does he not support, to the best of his ability, the homeland of a person working in a factory and regularly paying taxes - but having a different point of view from that?
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 22 March 2018 07: 55
        +21
        And there is a homeland
        And for you, what is your homeland? Pride in the oligarchs? The construction of Yeltsin and other centers? ...
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 22 March 2018 12: 22
          +2
          And Abramovich in Chukotka is very respected - he saw in more than one program. I do not think that's all, but many. And to risk building an LNG plant on the Yamal Peninsula or the Crimean Bridge - I would not risk it: it's such a pain in the neck !!! These guys deserve respect, at least from professionals.
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 22 March 2018 13: 19
            +6
            Quote: Victor N
            risk building an LNG plant in Yamal

            RISK? What is the risk? You see who the shareholders are! If this event was risky - neither the Chinese, nor the British, nor others - would invest in the project, that's all tongue
            1. Victor N
              Victor N 22 March 2018 16: 02
              +2
              You never built, therefore you cannot understand. Risks are not only financial - geology, climate, logistics .... To combine materials, mechanisms, people to get a functioning object as a result is an extremely difficult task, oh - not everyone can handle it.
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 23 March 2018 09: 22
                +1
                Quote: Victor N
                You never built

                And you probably built .. laughing You know, I’ve been doing this for several years! Although, of course, the scale, climate, etc., are not at all like that, but the principles of work are similar. And do not talk about the risks, I ask you again: without detailed calculations, without exploration results, without PIRs - not a single investor would have jerked! What-what-and they know how to count money! So, it was an “tasty” event, and not risky, taking into account modern technologies (unfortunately, far from ours, to a large extent).
              2. NordUral
                NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 02
                +1
                Listen to you, so the Golden Gate and other wonders of technology would never have happened. A Russian engineer has always been a wizard, there is something to be proud of. Regarding officials, it is a pity that such a feeling not only does not arise, but on the contrary, irritation grows. Nothing, everything has a threshold of patience, people will still say their weighty word.
            2. APIS
              APIS 23 March 2018 12: 01
              0
              Quote: avia1991
              Quote: Victor N
              risk building an LNG plant in Yamal

              RISK? What is the risk? You see who the shareholders are! If this event was risky - neither the Chinese, nor the British, nor others - would invest in the project, that's all tongue

              Well, NOVATEK (ours, if you know) built Yamal LNG and already hit. They ordered LNG tankers in South Korea, as on the "Star" they are not yet made, and the price is asked twice as much. In 2019, the Ministry of Industry and Trade decided to prohibit the passage along the Northern Sea Route of ALL VESSELS PRODUCED ABROAD, and not only vessels flying the Russian flag, as the State Duma suggests. But everything becomes clearer when you find out that the shareholders of Zvezda are Rosneft and Gazprombank.
              So everything is for people. For specific people.
          2. free
            free 22 March 2018 18: 12
            +6
            Quote: Victor N
            And Abramovich in Chukotka is very respected - he saw in more than one program. I do not think that's all, but many. And to risk building an LNG plant on the Yamal Peninsula or the Crimean Bridge - I would not risk it: it's such a pain in the neck !!! These guys deserve respect, at least from professionals.

            For pumping gas (common by constitution) and throwing crumbs to the budget and workers, bravo is really worthy of respect. laughing
    2. 210ox
      210ox 22 March 2018 06: 29
      +8
      Well, you, Vyacheslav, have even turned down. They wrote the right things. Democracy in the country is not needed (and this is actually the case) .. It is necessary to rule with a hard hand and in the right direction. With Putin (by the way, I voted against him) or not. And by the way .. Why is the flag not patriotic? "Zarathustra"
      doesn't allow?
      Quote: Hard Rock
      Staver, Skomorokhov, you are not here, you need rain and a voice and a rbk. Also, I am "ilf with Peter", write an abomination, and it blows meanness, moreover, from under the silence! You are not even liberals, you are some kind of special subspecies. As they say - no honor, no conscience, no flag, no homeland. Health and success to your mothers (fathers), if any, because, like you are not born, but started ...
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        1. 210ox
          210ox 22 March 2018 06: 58
          +4
          Such Venediktov’s people don’t have a flag ... But you’re just a narrow-minded person ... You don’t know how to read between the lines ..
          Quote: Hard Rock
          Hello, I didn’t see anything you write about in this article, it’s written as vilely as possible, is it really not visible, just in the spirit of Hey liberal! Ek hooked you all up! About the flag and the homeland! The expression is this. And it refers precisely to such Venediktov with dogs!
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      2. MrK
        MrK 22 March 2018 16: 01
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        democracy in the country is not needed


        I agree. By the way. The 1972 Nobel Prize of the year was awarded to the American mathematician Kenneth Arrow for the 1951 doctoral dissertation of the year - “Social Choice and Individual Values”, where he formulated the so-called “impossibility theorem”, which proved that adoption of a “free election” democratic decision is impossible in principle. ONE OF THE CONCLUSIONS - MULTI-PARTY LEADS TO THE READY'S AUTHORITY. This is understandable - it is more reliable to use deception technology. Indeed, in a bourgeois democratic society, truth and falsehood have the same rights.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 05
          +2
          It is even simpler - democracy leads to the power of villains of the moment when it was invented by these very cunning ancient Greek villains.
    3. BecmepH
      BecmepH 22 March 2018 06: 43
      +5
      The guy got lost .... Aw !!! This is not a "censor"!
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        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 22 March 2018 07: 59
          +11
          Quote: Hard Rock
          And what about the censor? Huh? Is there any censorship in Russia? It would not hurt! And then freedom - just right for the four to bear!

          So you have rhetoric, as in the "censor".
          Never insult other people's parents and yours will not be insulted. Although, it’s too late to teach you culture.
          Your language is akin to Zhirinovsky, Sobchak, Makarevich, Serebryakov ...
          Nobody insulted you. Why do you stoop to this?
          You are not even liberals, you are some kind of special subspecies. As they say - no honor, no conscience, no flag, no homeland. Health and success to your mothers (fathers), if any, because, like you are not born, but started ...
        2. freddyk
          freddyk 22 March 2018 12: 52
          +4
          There is censorship, only, of course, not for show. Arrests and dismissals of especially zealous and active critics of Putin have already begun. There are videos on YouTube
    4. Gardamir
      Gardamir 22 March 2018 07: 53
      +16
      write, it blows
      These are all emotions, give arguments. Everything is clear with you. you are for power, Chubais, Shuvalov and more. You defeated everyone, though they don’t know about it.
    5. Rey_ka
      Rey_ka 22 March 2018 08: 11
      +2
      Who is Tishok? so that surreptitiously adverb.
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    1. Same lech
      Same lech 22 March 2018 06: 42
      +16
      What side does it relate to the military, and even review?

      I believe in a sense and direct smile .
      It is no secret that it was the GDP that raised the status of our armed forces to the necessary level ... by voting for the GDP, we choose the priority of the army in the state as one of the main pillars of our existence.
      And hypothetically imagine that we choose, for example, the democrat Yavlinsky, or even worse Sobchak ... what they will do with our army ... independent politics ... with our territories ... of course we can lose all this ... far beyond examples in our history does not need to go.
      Therefore, the remaining period of time in the history of our state, we must go with Putin ... whatever he was with his shortcomings. In general, he played a positive role for Russia and our people.
      Uncertainty for us will begin with the withdrawal of GDP from power in 6 years ... unless of course any extraordinary events occur.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 22 March 2018 06: 52
        +12
        The priority of the army!? I agree, in part .... And what about the rest, what? Is it in the backyard? That's right, you need to defend your homeland, but it would not hurt to think about the others .. Although this does not mean a social and political structure .. Let’s talk about think to yourself ..
        Quote: The same Lech
        What side does it relate to the military, and even review?

        I believe in a sense and direct smile .
        It is no secret that it was the GDP that raised the status of our armed forces to the necessary level ... by voting for the GDP, we choose the priority of the army in the state as one of the main pillars of our existence.
        And hypothetically imagine that we choose, for example, the democrat Yavlinsky, or even worse Sobchak ... what they will do with our army ... independent politics ... with our territories ... of course we can lose all this ... far beyond examples in our history does not need to go.
        Therefore, the remaining period of time in the history of our state, we must go with Putin ... whatever he was with his shortcomings. In general, he played a positive role for Russia and our people.
        Uncertainty for us will begin with the withdrawal of GDP from power in 6 years ... unless of course any extraordinary events occur.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 22 March 2018 06: 58
          +13
          but it wouldn’t hurt to think about the others .. Although this doesn’t mean a socio-political structure ..

          I agree ...
          but let's look at the current situation in RUSSIA as a whole ... at the general picture of the country's economy.
          It is quite obvious that our people will not simultaneously pull two strategic tasks to raise the army to the modern level and the domestic economy to the level of the leading countries of the world ... this is simply an impossible task for the country ...
          Therefore, I believe that these tasks are divided into several stages ... now the army is in the first place ... having secured security in the world of capitalist wolves with the help of a modern army, we can move on to modernize our economy in accordance with today's realities.
          Immediately trying to do everything at the same time will not work.
          1. midivan
            midivan 22 March 2018 11: 32
            +3
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            but let's generally look at the current situation in RUSSIA ..

            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            I agree ...

            yes good hi
          2. naidas
            naidas 24 March 2018 13: 29
            +2
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            It is clear that our people will not simultaneously pull two strategic objectives

            That's what I see. Putin pulled both the army and the oligarchs and senior officials. There are three tasks, the people aside applaud.
          3. avia1991
            avia1991 24 March 2018 22: 55
            +1
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            It is quite obvious that our people will not simultaneously pull two strategic tasks to raise the army to a modern level and the domestic economy

            And the problem of maintaining the US economy, by investing in it the funds of the Stabilization Fund and the National Welfare Fund, we are able to solve?
            Add to this the annual outflow of capital through private channels - here you have the funds to develop the domestic economy! And not necessarily
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            to the level of the leading countries of the world.
            - even if it’s just a state of forward movement! And not drift in the swamp slurry ..
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      3. asv363
        asv363 22 March 2018 12: 04
        +5
        Uncertainty for us will begin with the withdrawal of GDP from power in 6 years ... unless of course any extraordinary events occur.

        Exactly for this reason there is a proposal - to remove in the Constitution of the Russian Federation a restriction on two contract terms for the current President of the Russian Federation.
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 24 March 2018 22: 58
          +1
          Quote: asv363
          to remove in the Constitution of the Russian Federation a two-term contract term for the incumbent President of the Russian Federation

          You will organize somewhere a commune for like-minded people - and take Putin to your place! May he lead you to a "high goal"! And leave Russia alone! She needs a little: a bit of Justice, and so that the government ceases to steal .. at least she did not do it so brazenly and on a large scale!
      4. NordUral
        NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 07
        +1
        Interesting you guys. As soon as it comes to an alternative to Putin, everyone is called, except for a real and strong opponent - Grudinin. And this can only be understood unambiguously on whose side you are - the people or thieves' power.
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 22 March 2018 06: 47
      +12
      Quote: Hard Rock
      And this is to the VO authorities. Are you a military review ?! What is this article? What side does it relate to the military, and even review?

      Well, in Pravda, Komsomolskaya Pravda, Izvestia, etc. etc. there are crosswords, humor and other third-party information and scribble. Close them ...
      And if you are not comfortable with the site format ... no one is holding you. And no one called you here
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    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 22 March 2018 07: 59
      +20
      every liberal
      The president is a liberal. Dot. He himself has repeatedly stated this. And leave your fantasies to yourself.
      1. KAV
        KAV 22 March 2018 14: 07
        +3
        Quote: Gardamir
        The president is a liberal. Dot. He himself has repeatedly stated this..

        Afiget. And I declare that I am the Emperor of the Universe! Worship me immediately! You believe the word so easily and simply! This is not surprising, since without skepticism they have skipped for the promises of Grudinin!
        I understand the words of the GDP that he is a liberal - this is just an excuse for a hook. Given his specialization, I would not be surprised if his words were all just a cover for lulling the vigilance of the truly liberal masses in the government.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 22 March 2018 14: 41
          +10
          Afiget
          You believe the word so easily and simply!
          Do you blame the president for lying? Or he, to lull the liberals, transfers money to America, and at that time they collect money for treatment with sms.
          It's time for 18 years to judge not by words, but by deeds.
          1. KAV
            KAV 22 March 2018 21: 06
            +2
            Quote: Gardamir
            transfers money to America

            Yes! Directly, personally, he transfers the money to America! And after all there is enough arrogance to rub such rubbish to adults ... Idiocy ...
            Quote: Gardamir
            It's time for 18 years to judge not by words, but by deeds.

            So here I am, judging by business and judging! And not on emptiness-promises that a priori are not feasible!
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 22 March 2018 21: 47
              +4
              Directly, personally, he transfers the money to America! And after all there is enough arrogance to rub such rubbish to adults
              And you are definitely an adult, maybe the Internet was spent in kindergarten? Do you shout, Krymnash, thanks to Putin, directly attached Crimea personally?
              So here I am, judging by business and judging!
              If on business, list how many businesses have closed, how many schools and hospitals are optimized.
            2. free
              free 22 March 2018 22: 20
              +2
              Quote: KAV
              Quote: Gardamir
              transfers money to America

              Yes! Directly, personally, he transfers the money to America! And after all there is enough arrogance to rub such rubbish to adults ... Idiocy ...
              Quote: Gardamir
              It's time for 18 years to judge not by words, but by deeds.

              So here I am, judging by business and judging! And not on emptiness-promises that a priori are not feasible!

              Are you in yourself dear? Doesn’t you think the Ministry of Finance is accountable to the president, and the president does not know what he is doing and should not know and be responsible for his actions as well as control. Did you mean to say that?
          2. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 22 March 2018 21: 51
            +6
            Quote: Gardamir
            transfers money to America

            What are you talking about now, my dear? wink
            Quote: Gardamir
            at this time they collect for treatment sms ...

            ... rogues basically yes
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 24 March 2018 23: 04
              0
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              What are you talking about now, my dear?

              And you do not know? Where is the US Federal Reserve, in whose debt papers the Central Bank so eagerly rolls our money?
              Just don’t say that the unhappy President can do nothing about it!
        2. free
          free 22 March 2018 22: 15
          +2
          Quote: KAV
          Quote: Gardamir
          The president is a liberal. Dot. He himself has repeatedly stated this..

          Afiget. And I declare that I am the Emperor of the Universe! Worship me immediately! You believe the word so easily and simply! This is not surprising, since without skepticism they have skipped for the promises of Grudinin!
          I understand the words of the GDP that he is a liberal - this is just an excuse for a hook. Given his specialization, I would not be surprised if his words were all just a cover for lulling the vigilance of the truly liberal masses in the government.

          Do you seriously think that liberals are dumber than you? Do not flatter yourself!
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 09
          0
          Judged by deeds, not words.
      2. naidas
        naidas 24 March 2018 13: 31
        +1
        Quote: Gardamir
        The president is a liberal. Dot.

        Yes, it’s Putin in the KGB officer who plays in the camp of opponents, he wants to get away with his own, otherwise they will be expelled to retirement.
    4. spirit
      spirit 22 March 2018 08: 01
      +12
      Take a look at these LeBerals) are they going against the ruling power? Against Edinorosov? Against the party of the President?) Yes, they would, at your advice, drown somewhere in the hole, or not patriots) are all Allen Dulles’s plans, he arranged a garbage dump in the Moscow Region and poison people laughing
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 22 March 2018 10: 03
        +8
        Quote: spirit
        what are they going against the ruling power

        Vorobyov - Shoigu's creature. Rare .....
        Eliminated direct elections in the largest cities and towns in the Moscow region. In this way, the regional authorities refuse to engage in dialogue with local elites, building a vertical line and imposing centralized management.
        It is directly related to the dump in Balashikha, at its closure it sabotaged Putin's order.
        A decent person will not get into the governors.
    5. MrK
      MrK 22 March 2018 16: 03
      +1
      Quote: Hard Rock
      And this is to the VO authorities. Are you a military review ?! What is this article?

      Right You trick Putin. He will decide everything.
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 22 March 2018 06: 21
    +3
    Electors from the regions
    this is a waste!
    For a long time, in a science fiction book, I read about future elections. Comp. he selects the average American in the country and he elects the president on election day. Simple and not expensive!
    1. Hard Rock
      Hard Rock 22 March 2018 07: 02
      +10
      I met a Chinese, a mainland not from Hong Kong, because he does not understand why the opposition and multi-party system are needed! He said that this is all trouble, people are being split for his own money! He shrugged and lamented.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 22 March 2018 09: 25
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      For a long time, in a science fiction book, I read about future elections. Comp. he selects the average American in the country and he elects the president on election day. Simple and not expensive!

      The film is such a famous - "Harrison Bergeron" hi
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 22 March 2018 14: 51
        +2
        Asimov. "Elections"



        The president of the country was elected with the help of a gigantic computer Multivaka, as well as any one of the average American. Such an approach to such a crucial election became possible after many years of improving the computer, as a result of which computers began to predict the results of voting on the basis of only half of those polled, then half of that half, etc. And now, Multivak needed tons of statistics and just one human voice. And the name of this person became as popular as the name of the president chosen. .
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 22 March 2018 22: 47
      +1
      Yeah, I remember, I remember. What happened to this American, I also remember. sad The poor fellow almost died of fear.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 23 March 2018 05: 21
        +1
        But then, after the election, pride shod! wink
  4. Declarant
    Declarant 22 March 2018 06: 22
    +8
    I did not doubt the victory of GDP. But the percentage is clearly cheated.
    1. Hard Rock
      Hard Rock 22 March 2018 06: 57
      +10
      And what% do you prefer?
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    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 22 March 2018 06: 49
      +13
      Quote: sergei_55
      The "cry of Yaroslavna" began. Learn to lose with dignity. At first, they all groaned, and now, in general, a disaster. VO becomes the mouthpiece of the loser of the Communist Party. And most importantly, already in the open. Rename the VO to the "mouthpiece of the Communist Party."

      Is it really an eye prick?
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        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 22 March 2018 08: 01
          +10
          When did Skomorokhov write the truth?
          For example, when I talked about Donbass in 2014, although I agree with the rest of his articles, I almost agree with everyone.
          1. Romulus
            Romulus 22 March 2018 08: 08
            +5
            Quote: Gardamir
            articles, almost all agree.

            Leonid agrees with you, I’ll tell you a secret about the Banshee that I don’t like), but journalist Roman writes quite well. in what I disagree in the opinion of the new as a whole at the level without s.play and tediousness ..
          2. NordUral
            NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 12
            +1
            Previously, I also agreed with almost everything, but not with this one.
      2. Rey_ka
        Rey_ka 22 March 2018 08: 19
        +1
        here, it seems, at VO there was a control measurement of voting, and somewhere it turned out like in the All-Russian Central Executive Committee
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 22 March 2018 09: 28
          +4
          Quote: Rey_ka
          here, it seems, at VO there was a control measurement of voting, and somewhere it turned out like in the All-Russian Central Executive Committee
          Grudinin has 28% VO, only there is no need for paid trolls, because at first his percentage was well over 30, it fell towards the evening
          https://topwar.ru/138068-rezultaty-vyborov-kto-ch
          em-i-kak-dovolen.html
          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 22 March 2018 10: 21
            +14
            Stirbjorn (Michael) Today, 09:28 ↑
            Grudinin at 28%
            It’s strange that Grudinin’s VO is not 128% ... laughing VO before the elections generally turned into a shout "whoever is not for Grudinin is against Russia." So I am personally surprised that he scored so little here.
            In general, voting on the site is ridiculous! Go to the "echo matzah" or "lie", everything is there for Sobchak or for Yavlinsky. And even better at "censor.ua", you will be more convenient there.
            The people voted FOR PUTIN! Do you have evidence of fraud? If you go to court and present, no, go to the forest! You have lost now, you will lose in the future, reconcile, but the majority of people are against you and your vision of the development of Russia. So calm down already.
            1. ul_vitalii
              ul_vitalii 22 March 2018 10: 47
              +9
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              The people voted FOR PUTIN! Do you have evidence of fraud? If you go to court and present, no, go to the forest! You have lost now, you will lose in the future, reconcile, but the majority of people are against you and your vision of the development of Russia.


              Okay, Alexey, said hi And nothing to add.
            2. cats
              cats 22 March 2018 11: 22
              +6
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              It is strange that Grudinin does not have 128% of VO.

              I watched the following picture in the queue at the elections, my grandfather took about seventy
              Grudinin agitate .. And two of the same old-timers wanted to beat him .. laughing
              They barely walk, hear hard, but the gunpowder still remains .. If their grandmas did not keep .. laughing
              The whole line was smacked. hi
            3. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 22 March 2018 11: 54
              +6
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              The people voted FOR PUTIN! Do you have evidence of fraud? If you go to court and present, no, go to the forest! You have lost now, you will lose in the future, reconcile, but the majority of people are against you and your vision of the development of Russia. So calm down already.

              I actually answered the user Rey_ka on a specific issue! If you’re getting into someone else’s dialogue, please be so kind as to read it first. He’s also sending me into the forest, "Narodovolets" fool Your whole essence is expressed in this demotivator
            4. avia1991
              avia1991 24 March 2018 23: 12
              +2
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              Do you have evidence of fraud? If you go to court and present, no, go to the forest!
              You reason, like a ram, by golly! Sorry, of course - but you will not say otherwise. Where do you live hey ?! In Russia? Have we encountered our courts at least once? .. The Russian court has a clear statement: an individual is right in an argument between an individual and an official (read - PEC). Dot. I do not say without proof, believe me. You propose going to blame the authorities for fraud that allowed the authorities to retain this power! Himself is not funny?
          2. MrK
            MrK 22 March 2018 16: 10
            +3
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            it fell towards evening

            Right And fell after 17 hours. Any questions.
          3. NordUral
            NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 15
            0
            But he was actually in the region of about 30, Putin had about 50 with a small tail, I didn’t touch the others, but the difference between them and the two leaders was not clear to anyone, maybe most of her and Grudinin.
    2. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 22 March 2018 06: 50
      +10
      Now, if you would also worthily win, it would be super. And so .......
      1. sergei_55
        sergei_55 22 March 2018 07: 36
        +8
        And what do you see Putin unworthy to win? It’s not lucky for you in life - everyone around is to blame that you are so offended.
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 22 March 2018 07: 52
          +17
          No, I’m just lucky in life. And I’m not offended by anyone. And I write what I think. In 2002 I believed Putin. In 2004 I stopped believing. But this is my choice.
          1. sergei_55
            sergei_55 22 March 2018 09: 57
            +4
            You have your own choice, but the people of Russia have their own. He chose Putin.
            1. Andrey Valerevich
              Andrey Valerevich 22 March 2018 10: 40
              +13
              You do not speak for all the people!
            2. avia1991
              avia1991 24 March 2018 23: 14
              0
              Quote: sergei_55
              and the people of Russia have their own

              No need to shoulder the responsibility for the general opinion - you’ll overdo it.
        2. naidas
          naidas 24 March 2018 13: 51
          +1
          Quote: sergei_55
          And what do you see Putin unworthy to win?

          Air Channel 1 Time for the whole country: They engaged in all kinds of, well, you know, practices, gold bars of a special form on the full moon. And it’s interesting in this regard, what form of the ingot of Grudinin "...," said Kleimenov.
          After the election, for some reason, the video was deleted, but it was necessary to tell, maybe Putin also introduced gold bars to everyone who is for him. And it would have been if not worthy then mirror.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 22
        0
        We have worthily lost, unlike the winners. Nothing, a lesson for the future.
    3. Hard Rock
      Hard Rock 22 March 2018 06: 59
      +7
      Thank God! Well, at least one normal person! Thank you, good man! And then they attacked me as an enemy of the people - the Benedict dogs!
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 22 March 2018 07: 04
        +13
        Quote: Hard Rock
        dogs benedict!

        Are you like a Chubais hamster? wink
        P.S. Venediktov with the Communist Party in their views well, very much diverge.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 22 March 2018 07: 12
          +7
          Are you like a Chubais hamster? wink

          Kindergarten... smile dogs ... hamsters ... bred a zoo in VO ... now the teacher-moderator will come and prescribe everyone a spoonful of castor oil.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 22 March 2018 07: 13
            +5
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            prescribe to everyone a spoonful of castor oil.

            Nenada, I still have to work. repeat
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          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 22 March 2018 07: 30
            +18
            Quote: Hard Rock
            It is rather closer to you.

            Glory - Chubais is closer to Putin, he OFFICIALLY said that he considers Chubais an effective manager. request
        3. sergei_55
          sergei_55 22 March 2018 07: 38
          +6
          This is precisely what Venediktov and your nominee Grudinin supported.
          1. free
            free 22 March 2018 22: 24
            +4
            Quote: sergei_55
            This is precisely what Venediktov and your nominee Grudinin supported.

            Venediktov works on Echo of Moscow, Echo of Moscow belongs to Gazprom, Gazprom is in charge ... is it really Trump?
            Explain the situation!? Or weakly?
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 22 March 2018 22: 38
              +5
              Quote: free
              Venediktov works on Echo of Moscow, Echo of Moscow belongs to Gazprom

              Quote: Gardamir
              Venediktov works on Echo of Moscow, Echo of Moscow belongs to Gazprom

              Gyyy ... trolls walk in shoals laughing
              A training manual, why shoot it like that?
              1. free
                free 23 March 2018 09: 44
                +2
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Quote: free
                Venediktov works on Echo of Moscow, Echo of Moscow belongs to Gazprom

                Quote: Gardamir
                Venediktov works on Echo of Moscow, Echo of Moscow belongs to Gazprom

                Gyyy ... trolls walk in shoals laughing
                A training manual, why shoot it like that?

                And where is the evidence here? I copied it and don’t deny it, because the question is very correctly posed. And you could not answer it and you got hysterical as an institute!
              2. avia1991
                avia1991 24 March 2018 23: 19
                +1
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Gyyy ... trolls walk in shoals

                Would you like to challenge the facts? Evidence, pliz. A banter - this is to the grandmother at the entrance! True, they will vividly explain to you how to "love the motherland" laughing
          2. NordUral
            NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 24
            +1
            This, like England to be friends.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 22 March 2018 08: 03
        +17
        dogs benedict!
        Venediktov works on Echo of Moscow, Echo of Moscow belongs to Gazprom, Gazprom is in charge ... is it really Trump?
      3. BecmepH
        BecmepH 22 March 2018 08: 08
        +5
        Quote: Hard Rock
        Thank God! Well, at least one normal person! Thank you, good man! And then they attacked me as an enemy of the people - the Benedict dogs!

        If everything would be normal with logic, then you asked yourself the question: "Can it be that I am one good and all bad?"
      4. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 22 March 2018 09: 01
        +10
        Quote: Hard Rock
        Thank God! Well, at least one normal person! Thank you, good man! And then they attacked me as an enemy of the people - the Benedict dogs!

        And I supported, and in fact. hi Hold on tight, buddy smile drinks
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 28
          +1
          That's right, Vitaly, when you fly downhill, you have to hold on to the steering wheel, the last illusion is that everything is in order and everything is in your hands.
      5. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 22 March 2018 09: 34
        +9
        Hard Rock (Vyacheslav) Today, 06:59 ↑ New
        Thank God! Well, at least one normal person! Thank you, good man! And then they attacked me as an enemy of the people - the Benedict dogs!
        Vyacheslav hi You are not the only one! I agree with your comments on the article and fully share your assessment, in fact, a vile article. Only here for such expressions of thoughts on this "free" site, we may well go to the ban ... recourse
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 29
          +1
          What a cowardly you, and bold estimates.
      6. naidas
        naidas 24 March 2018 13: 56
        +1
        Quote: Hard Rock
        benedict dogs

        Venediktov owns an 18% stake in ZAO Ekho Moskvy. Member of the Public Council under the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Benedict half-bent runs to the Government of Moscow and reports. In finance. And on other issues. (Gazprom finances the Echo of Moscow, so to speak a national treasure).
        You probably voted for the army and Gazprom.
    4. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 March 2018 07: 01
      +23
      Quote: sergei_55
      VO becomes the mouthpiece of the loser of the Communist Party

      Do you take articles for Putin into account for comparison? wink
      According to the article - as a consistent but objective opponent of Putin, I want to dot the i according to the election results.
      1) Did 76% of voters vote for Putin? Yes, it voted. But in these percentages there is a certain percentage of civil servants, prisoners, and military personnel who voted for Putin by order.
      2)Did Putin win without these votes? - I would win for sure, but with lower percentages.
      3)Did all the media and power structures (including the CEC) drown the only real opposition candidate? - drowned, and even rabid Zaputinists cannot deny this.
      4) Based on the above, the question arises - can the elections be considered fair? From my point of view - of course not. The authorities did not add respect to themselves. hi
      1. Nonna
        Nonna 22 March 2018 07: 26
        +18
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        4) Based on the above, the question arises - can the elections be considered fair? From my point of view - of course not. The authorities did not add respect to themselves.


        I agree with you completely. The same feelings. The authors of the article are well done as always. They provide food for the mind and reflection.
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          2. BecmepH
            BecmepH 22 March 2018 09: 29
            +16
            Quote: sergei_55
            My fish, to get food for the mind, you must have it.

            What the proponents of modern realities are kidding me about is that they do not stoop to the arguments and worthily defend their position, but simply insult and try to humiliate my opponent.
            I have already noticed that if you are for GDP, then you can stupidly insult the partners on the site.
            To offend EVERYTHING. There is no need to explain anything. You are to blame because you have a different point of view than mine.
            Something (someone) it reminds me of ...
            1. Romulus
              Romulus 22 March 2018 09: 32
              +6
              Quote: BecmepH
              Insult and EVERYTHING

              good The smaller the brain, the greater the ambition.
        2. BecmepH
          BecmepH 22 March 2018 09: 23
          +8
          Quote: Nonna
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          4) Based on the above, the question arises - can the elections be considered fair? From my point of view - of course not. The authorities did not add respect to themselves.


          I agree with you completely. The same feelings. The authors of the article are well done as always. They provide food for the mind and reflection.

          A few years ago, we discussed with a friend modern digital realities. They started a conversation about databases, software. I said, they say, it’ll become harder to markit to fraudsters. And he said: "If a person sits at the computer, then you can fix and redo anything."
          So I’m thinking about these computer bins ...
          So, thoughts out loud ...
          1. MrK
            MrK 22 March 2018 16: 15
            +4
            Quote: BecmepH
            If a person sits at the computer, then you can fix and redo anything

            I agree. Moreover, the data received by the Central Election Commission receive the signature stamp of Sov. Secret. And do what you want with them.
          2. NordUral
            NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 34
            0
            These same thoughts roam the country, as once the ghost of communism roamed Europe. And after all that ghost materialized, even though sick, he died. But he will rise again, I have no doubt in the new socialism. Hope in our country.
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 22 March 2018 07: 27
        +20
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        in these percentages there is a certain percentage of civil servants, prisoners, and military personnel,

        1. "... horses, people, and volleys of a thousand guns" laughing
        Civil servant make vote - can. Make vote for a specific candidate - it is impossible request
        "A certain percentage of prisoners" - calculate the percentage, and let him go to the studio. Let's discuss ... in detail. At the same time and laugh wassat
        "Military personnel" - also - getting to vote for a particular candidate is problematic.
        Total: paragraph 1 - non-offset.
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        3) Did all the media and power structures (including the CEC) drown the only real opposition candidate?

        We would like to drown with a guarantee - we would be removed from the elections. And there was, for what.
        This is denied only by rabid sterninists yes
        Total: paragraph 3 - non-offset.
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        2), 4)

        About nothing.
        Here is such a picture looming ...
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 March 2018 07: 33
          +12
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Here is such a picture looming ...

          You are as usual - trying to redraw everything under Picasso. There are many daubs - it makes no sense. good
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 22 March 2018 07: 35
            +14
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            everything under Picasso. A lot of daubs - it makes no sense

            An interesting interpretation of Picasso's paintings recourse
            Osia ... if you don’t understand something, it doesn’t always mean that it doesn’t make sense.
            This is, like, a hint wink
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              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 22 March 2018 07: 40
                +10
                Eat your mole yourself ... with hair wassat
                Yes, leave a little, and then the fan is not enough laughing
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 22 March 2018 07: 42
                  +6
                  You said that this art is above my level of understanding?
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 22 March 2018 07: 56
                    +14
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    You said that this is art ...

                    I did not talk about art at all.
                    I said that you have problems understanding (generally everything) and expressing your thoughts.
                    You just confirmed everything that I said above.
                    My congratulations love
                    1. Romulus
                      Romulus 22 March 2018 09: 35
                      +1
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      I did not talk about art at all.


                      Forgive me the discussants) illustrated a little .. The girl on the ball - does not channel)
                    2. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 22 March 2018 12: 21
                      +2
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      I said that you have problems understanding (generally everything) and expressing your thoughts.

                      Well, if you didn’t talk about art, then there was no discussion of the presentation of my thoughts at all. wink And yes, I’m glad that you share Picaso’s daub and art!
                      But then again, all your comments are akin to Picasso's work! Not a single sensible answer.
        2. Romulus
          Romulus 22 March 2018 08: 47
          +2
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Here is such a picture looms.

          Roman, Igor is one of the few old-timers of the site and writes frantically (not d. Urak, one hundred pounds)) Let's go and have a bite to eat)) (the wolf fed me you dog)) eve our day!)
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 22 March 2018 09: 54
            +8
            Quote: Romulus
            Igor ... writes frantically (not d.urak, one hundred pounds)) LET'S GO

            - sincerely glad for Igor good
            - I will not bite anyone yet - work up my throat fellow
            PS: "scorched" is a very rich word. Associations - from freshness to vagina ... sorry my French repeat
            PPS: I'm actually the first to never bite No.
            1. Romulus
              Romulus 22 March 2018 10: 05
              +2
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              "angry"

              Made dry) hi
        3. a housewife
          a housewife 22 March 2018 11: 54
          +3
          I completely agree, Roman.
        4. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 25 March 2018 02: 46
          0
          Prisoners do not vote. Those who are in the pre-trial detention center before the trial vote, which some of them may recognize as innocent.
        5. NordUral
          NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 35
          0
          There is nothing impossible, except to live your life anew and more successfully.
      3. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 22 March 2018 09: 31
        +4
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Do you take articles for Putin into account for comparison?

        for sure, it’s already impossible to read and comment on the oily articles of Kamenev and Podolyaka
      4. Qubi
        Qubi 22 March 2018 10: 33
        +8
        1) Voted on an order? Where did they get it? How many times he himself voted in the military unit have never ordered anyone to vote for. I could have agreed with the turnout by order.
        2) Won and what is the difference with what percentage of 70 or 76?
        3) The candidates themselves drowned themselves without the help of the media, it was enough to look at least for one debate, for what reason - they know better and this is on their conscience (if any).
        4) Definition of not fair elections please. In your words, the result was known and we got it, what's the catch?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 March 2018 12: 32
          +4
          Quote: Qubi
          1) Voted on an order? Where did they get it?

          Glad for you that you have a different way.
          How the elections are held in the zones, said a friend of the cop personally acquainted with the head of the operative unit of one of the Togliatti zones.
          A friend of his wife, a social security worker, told how they were forced to vote for Putin, confirming their vote in the photo of the ballot.
          And how the elections in the military unit are held, I know personally.
          Quote: Qubi
          3) The candidates themselves drowned themselves and without the help of the media

          How did Grudinin drown himself? belay Pamfilov personally even shook the topic with supposedly open accounts, not to mention the media. But not a single evidence was given. request
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 36
          0
          Do you yourself believe in what you write?
    5. free
      free 22 March 2018 08: 20
      +6
      Quote: sergei_55
      The "cry of Yaroslavna" began. Learn to lose with dignity. At first, they all groaned, and now, in general, a disaster. VO becomes the mouthpiece of the loser of the Communist Party. And most importantly, already in the open. Rename the VO to the "mouthpiece of the Communist Party."

      It's not evening yet, we'll see how you start to cry, soon!
      1. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 22 March 2018 11: 10
        +9
        free (Andrey) Today, 08:20 ↑
        It's not evening yet, we'll see how you start to cry, soon!
        Here you and your kind are crying, moreover every day, and we work, sometimes with a break for an answer like you. No matter how much you cry, your cry will neither be hot nor cold. As the saying goes, the dog barks, and the caravan moves on.
        1. free
          free 22 March 2018 22: 30
          +1
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          free (Andrey) Today, 08:20 ↑
          It's not evening yet, we'll see how you start to cry, soon!
          Here you and your kind are crying, moreover every day, and we work, sometimes with a break for an answer like you. No matter how much you cry, your cry will neither be hot nor cold. As the saying goes, the dog barks, and the caravan moves on.

          Just on the news! Dvorkovich does not see anything bad if suddenly the personal income tax is raised to 15%, I'm waiting for your comments?
        2. free
          free 23 March 2018 09: 47
          0
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          free (Andrey) Today, 08:20 ↑
          It's not evening yet, we'll see how you start to cry, soon!
          Here you and your kind are crying, moreover every day, and we work, sometimes with a break for an answer like you. No matter how much you cry, your cry will neither be hot nor cold. As the saying goes, the dog barks, and the caravan moves on.

          What is there with the comments about personal income tax? Why are you silent? You’ll leaf through the training manual, don’t don’t bother, there is no answer to this question.
        3. APIS
          APIS 23 March 2018 16: 11
          0
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          free (Andrey) Today, 08:20 ↑
          It's not evening yet, we'll see how you start to cry, soon!
          Here you and your kind are crying, moreover every day, and we work, sometimes with a break for an answer like you. No matter how much you cry, your cry will neither be hot nor cold. As the saying goes, the dog barks, and the caravan moves on.

          Varyag_0711 (Alexey)
          You don’t get off the site at all. When do you work? Or all the time at work?
          Lysiputians (not Zaputinians) are fed up with crumbs from the master's table.
          Rough tongue does not dry ...
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 37
        +1
        No one is moaning. There is a debriefing. And the truth is always out of place.
  6. Nix1986
    Nix1986 22 March 2018 07: 01
    +5
    I don’t even want to discuss this circus. In general, it’s a strange thing, our distant ancestors, in the absence of digital technology, tried by all means to make the elections and the rule democratic, Greeks, Romans, tribes and their stands, fractions of populations and optimates. Now, when crypto-encryption technologies allow you to cast your vote without leaving your home, they are trying to convince us that elections are evil and one candidate / dictator and one party is good ... And people hops and says come on ...
    1. naidas
      naidas 24 March 2018 14: 08
      0
      Quote: Nix1986
      our distant ancestors, in the absence of digital technology, tried by all means to make elections and rule democratic, Greeks, Romans, tribes

      These are your ancestors, and our Slavs from the 9th century, one god, one king, who does not agree to a barrel of gunpowder - let him fly!
  7. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 07: 19
    +13
    Elections .... percent. The joke is that people believe all these percentages without understanding the simple truth - that all these numbers may well be inflated. Now everyone is pushing for “digital” elections, motivating them with absolute honesty and openness. But it’s cool that such elections are much easier to falsify than regular (with manual counting). It’s enough to set the vote counting program in the “right direction” —the program at the end will give out the right “winner” with the right “percent” for each precinct. After all, when the “winner” is announced, it’s too late to wave your arms — all the “train has left”. No “stuffing”, “merry-go-rounds”, etc., are needed. They simply announce the right winner with the right interest and that’s all. In order to verify that the percentages for the areas issued by the program are real, do you need to manually recount each ballot in each section and compare with the data that the program issued — is this done? In theory, elections should be legitimate only after reconciling all data for each precinct with those issued by the “center-election”, that is, absolutely everything must be manually recalculated, and this completely destroys the entire system of “automatic elections” - it makes it meaningless, naturally nobody will do it. Therefore, believe such an election ....
    1. vinni-puk
      vinni-puk 22 March 2018 07: 41
      +5
      Do you see Grudinin or sobchak president?
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 08: 21
        +1
        Yeltsin was better?
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 22 March 2018 11: 57
          +3
          What sobchak than Yavlinsky than sternum? One crap.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 22 March 2018 23: 15
            0
            Yes, you got three. hi
            1. Anti-Corr.
              Anti-Corr. 22 March 2018 23: 29
              +3
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Yes, you got three.

              thimbles give more what
          2. a housewife
            a housewife 23 March 2018 00: 15
            0
            There are a lot of them, but all is one crap!
            1. free
              free 26 March 2018 17: 58
              0
              Are you afraid to lose the nishtyaks? It happens!
      2. free
        free 22 March 2018 08: 30
        +14
        Quote: vinni-puk
        Do you see Grudinin or sobchak president?

        Smart people choose a program for the development of the country, and only fools choose a vacation and, moreover, based on personal preferences.
        1. Romulus
          Romulus 22 March 2018 09: 19
          +6
          Quote: free
          Smart people choose a country's development program

          This happened .. fellow Forgive me if I upset you ... love crying
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 22 March 2018 10: 12
            +13
            Quote: Romulus
            This is what happened.

            little is left and we will see how smart people will react to changes in their wallets.
            To start:
            At one of the first meetings after the election, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev discussed the change in taxes. An increase in personal income tax upon the abolition of the preferential VAT rate - a double blow to the population, on the one hand, will reduce their incomes, and on the other, increase prices. Zeroing PIT for the poor and a direct subsidy should help them, she says, but higher prices and a tax burden can lead to an increase in the number of poor and a reduction in the middle class.
            Income tax is planned to increase from 13 to 15%.
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            2. Monster_Fat
              Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 10: 25
              +8
              Anglo-Americans have developed a “golden” rule of capitalism — you need to rob the whole world so as not to rob your population and live in relative comfort and prosperity ... in Russia, with the same draconian capitalism as the Anglo-Saxons, they took a different path - they’re not allowed to enter the international arena, they don’t give the opportunity to rob neighbors, and we don’t know how to be honest (here we need experience), then we have to rob the local population ... which is done and will be done in the future (it’s just more convenient and familiar ) ...
              1. Romulus
                Romulus 22 March 2018 10: 57
                0
                belay repeat crying
                Quote: Monster_Fat
                Anglo-Americans have developed a "golden" rule of capitalism - you need to rob the whole world so as not to rob your population and live in relative comfort and prosperity.

                Monster Fat you cho account stolen?
                we are here and thought - whether a fig, are we worse than a Greek? (joke)
                Yeflif Cho add
            3. Romulus
              Romulus 22 March 2018 10: 27
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              there is not much

              I respect your opinion .. I do not share something - I unconditionally agree on something. but as they say we will see)
            4. B.T.V.
              B.T.V. 22 March 2018 11: 00
              +2
              Quote: Silvestr
              At one of the first meetings after the election, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev discussed the change in taxes.


              Quote: Silvestr
              Income tax is planned to increase from 13 to 15%.


              Did you attend this meeting ?!
              1. Monster_Fat
                Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 14: 26
                +4
                Did you attend this meeting ?!

                https://news.mail.ru/economics/32923491/?frommail
                =1 wink
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 22 March 2018 16: 34
                +6
                Quote: B.T.W.
                Did you attend this meeting ?!

                enough newspapers to read
                1. B.T.V.
                  B.T.V. 22 March 2018 16: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  enough newspapers to read


                  If you quote newspapers, then it’s completely, but not a proposal taken out of context.
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 22 March 2018 17: 35
                    +5
                    Quote: B.T.W.
                    If you quote newspapers, then it’s completely, not a proposal taken out of context

                    and what. Do all newspapers write word for word? The essence does not change. or do you need to show screenshots of ALL newspapers?
                    1. B.T.V.
                      B.T.V. 22 March 2018 18: 04
                      +4
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      Quote: B.T.W.
                      If you quote newspapers, then it’s completely, not a proposal taken out of context

                      and what. Do all newspapers write word for word? The essence does not change. or do you need to show screenshots of ALL newspapers?


                      I don’t need to show anything, just don’t find it dishonorable, write about planning to increase personal income tax, but keep quiet about the fact that it is planned not to tax the established minimum ?! The issue of raising the tax has not been resolved, but poisonous drooling is already flying in all directions.
          2. free
            free 22 March 2018 22: 31
            +2
            Quote: Romulus
            Quote: free
            Smart people choose a country's development program

            This happened .. fellow Forgive me if I upset you ... love crying

            Did Putin have a program?
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          1. MrK
            MrK 22 March 2018 16: 21
            +5
            Quote: sergei_55
            here are smart and chose Putin


            Right without a program. Then the HSE will write this program to him. Here you are, zaputintsy, be glad to be.
            1. Anti-Corr.
              Anti-Corr. 22 March 2018 16: 27
              +2
              Quote: mrark
              . Here you are, zaputintsy, be glad to be.

              They are already happy, Volokolamsk is an example of this, they also voted .... "for"
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 22 March 2018 17: 42
                +8
                there is a movie where she cuts off Vorobyov’s head with a gesture.
                What power is up to our children? The main thing. so that their children live in ecological areas.
                Why doesn’t they show on “1st”? After all, the elections have passed. Oh yes, Syria and Ukraine are nearby, and dumps in Volokolamsk are across the ocean. Bad people- did not wait for a new meeting with the new president, he will close any landfill in 3 days. He just did not know about this. Peskov did not report on time. The vertical is working!
    2. Cube123
      Cube123 22 March 2018 07: 52
      +4
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      But it’s cool that such elections are much easier to falsify than regular (with manual counting). It’s enough to set the vote counting program in the “right direction” —the program at the end will give out the right “winner” with the right “percent” for each precinct. After all, when the “winner” is announced, it’s too late to wave your arms — all the “train has left”.
      ...
      In theory, elections should be legitimate only after reconciling all data for each precinct with those issued by the “center-election”, that is, absolutely everything must be manually recalculated, and this completely destroys the entire system of “automatic elections” - it makes it meaningless, naturally nobody will do it. Therefore, believe such an election ....

      Eh, you would at least get acquainted with the principles of elementary statistics. Here is a quote from Richard Nisbett's book Brain Accelerators. How to Learn to Think Effectively Using Techniques from Different Sciences:

      "In passing, I note that the accuracy of the sample statistics (average value, median value, standard deviation, etc.) essentially independent of population sizefrom which the sample is taken. About 1,000 people are polled to forecast the results of a nationwide election, and the error is usually within ± 3%. A sample of 1,000 people gives roughly the same forecast for the percentage support of the candidate during the vote and 100 million and 10,000 people. So if your candidate is 8 points ahead of your opponent according to the results of the polls, do not pay attention to the critical statements of your opponents that millions of people will vote, and the polls cover only a thousand. With one caveat: if only the people selected for the survey are not atypical representatives of the population in some important respects. "
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 09: 03
        +4
        "Error" say ... well ... well, the Trump election is an example .... who won the "exit" there? and other "polls"? Someone already ordered festive dinners in restaurants and clothes for the inauguration and ..... "flew" ... winked
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 22 March 2018 09: 11
          +3
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          "Error" say ... well ... well, the Trump election is an example .... who won the "exit" there? and other "polls"? Someone already ordered festive dinners in restaurants and clothes for the inauguration and ..... "flew" ... winked

          For this reason, the indicated book also has a couple of good examples.

          "This would be justified if all voters in the country had an equal chance of getting into the sample. If this is not the case, you run the risk of getting a serious sampling error. One of the first US election polls conducted by Literary Digest magazine showed that Franklin Roosevelt would lose the 1936 election, in which he actually won an indisputable victory. What was the mistake of this survey? It was carried out by telephone, and at that time only very wealthy people (and most of them were Republicans) had a telephone at home. "

          "Something similar happened with some of the 2012 polls. Rasmussen, the polling company, didn’t call mobile phones, ignoring the fact that most of them are young people who have only mobile phones and no home phones they’re more likely to sympathize with the Democratic Party. Therefore, the company has systematically overestimated the support of Republican candidate Mitt Romney compared to the results of surveys by calling both home and mobile numbers. "

          Example from me laughing At the beginning of the 90s it went: "According to the results of an online survey of the Yandex portal, 100% of Russian residents use the Internet."
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    4. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 22 March 2018 08: 14
      +4
      I fully support you.
    5. Qubi
      Qubi 22 March 2018 10: 36
      +3
      Verify by manual recount, verify auditors, verify auditors, auditors, etc.?
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 10: 52
        +1
        Verify by manual recount, verify auditors, verify auditors, auditors, etc.?

        That's what it’s designed for ... wink There is a true way out, the technology of the “block chain” - it will make a real revolution in the “verification”, but there are also “non-transparent” places there ....
    6. NordUral
      NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 39
      0
      You are an optimist! Why they can - just blown away!
  8. vinni-puk
    vinni-puk 22 March 2018 07: 39
    +5
    Putin promptly rolled away from such a cesspool as United Russia, which almost everyone hates (the party of bosses and those who lick their shoes). If he went from EP, he would have scored no more than 30 percent.
    1. Lynx33
      Lynx33 22 March 2018 07: 50
      +6
      You just do not understand why EP was created. Russia was on the verge of collapse without a single axis of normal centralized government. After all, the main slogan of Yeltsin was to give sovereignty to the local authorities how much they would take away. So the country was bursting at the seams. United Russia united all local kings in a single party, the centrifugal forces of the collapse of the country ceased.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 40
        0
        Good intentions often lead to hell. Putin’s merits in preserving the country do not deny. But now he works for her doom.
    2. free
      free 22 March 2018 08: 26
      +5
      Quote: vinni-puk
      Putin promptly rolled away from such a cesspool as United Russia, which almost everyone hates (the party of bosses and those who lick their shoes). If he went from EP, he would have scored no more than 30 percent.

      Now he’s in power for another 6 years! And at key places .......... Bingo .... those whom the people dislike so much, ER bureaucrats. Who will he change and for whom if he does not have no other than EP?
    3. Freeman
      Freeman 22 March 2018 13: 46
      +2
      Quote: vinni-puk
      Putin promptly rolled away from such a cesspool as United Russia, which almost everyone hates (the party of bosses and those who lick their shoes). If he went from EP, he would have scored no more than 30 percent.

      what Why, then, in the elections to the State Duma "United Russia" received a constitutional majority?
      54.2% of the vote, 343 seats - a mega-popular party is leaving.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 42
        +1
        And you still ask? In the same way as Putin drew 76,6, and Grudinina lowered to 11.
    4. MrK
      MrK 22 March 2018 16: 23
      +2
      Quote: vinni-puk
      Putin rolled away from such a cesspool as United Russia on time


      Yeah. And the last time he created the Popular Front. Which ... AU-AU.
  9. Lynx33
    Lynx33 22 March 2018 07: 44
    +2
    I do not agree with the author that the time of the political circus on TV has ended. This circus we have is in the form of an endless series, just different series have different amounts of entertainment content. wassat
  10. alekc75
    alekc75 22 March 2018 07: 55
    0
    Well, if there are people like those in the photo with intelligence at the very bottom, then yes the president will be the coolest !! they have less brains than chicken !!
  11. Moore
    Moore 22 March 2018 08: 05
    +11
    Alas, this is not a victory of the people, but of officials. Those same hated bureaucrats, at the mention of which the majority of ordinary people begin to spoil their mood.

    Outside of the Russian Federation, too, vile officials faked everything? They didn’t have to “tolerate” sanctions (our people, I wonder, really suffer from them?), There are only Internet channels, everyone looks at their own taste and color.
    This is the turn for voting at the Russian Embassy in Latvia.

    And in Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, more than 90% of the voters voted for Putin, and Daugavpils, who is known to many because of the BBC film, took the first place of loyalty to the Russian president, giving him 96.7% of the vote.
    In the United States, at least 65% of Putin voted. In Greece, more than 90%. In England, 52%, in Milan 77%, in Barcelona 67%, in Copenhagen 62%.
    Have all the Russian bureaucrats been faced with such a choice? These all of the above could simply spit and not go anywhere - their personal situation would not have changed if the merchant of collective farm real estate had become president. But let's go ...
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 22 March 2018 08: 29
      +5
      Doesn’t it surprise? A person lives abroad. It can be assumed that he is either doing well, or vice versa with power in the counter. But they voted for power. It means that people are all cool. And they don’t change this life for something or another need to
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 22 March 2018 10: 14
      +9
      Quote: Moore
      And in Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, more than 90% of the voters voted for Putin, and Daugavpils, who is known to many because of the BBC film, took the first place of loyalty to the Russian president, giving him 96.7% of the vote.

      I wonder why they do not return to their homeland? Or do they love the homeland from afar, the farther, the stronger?
      1. Moore
        Moore 22 March 2018 10: 46
        +7
        Quote: Silvestr
        I wonder why they do not return to their homeland? Or do they love the homeland from afar - the farther, the stronger

        I can’t say for foreign countries, but in Latvia many took Russian citizenship after the collapse already. There are problems - it is necessary to periodically renew a residence permit, a restriction on employment (in essence, there are either pensions or your own business), but people somehow live.
        As for the love of the Motherland - until 1917, many lived over the hill - did they love Russia less from this?
        And they don’t come back because nobody needs them in the Russian Federation.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 22 March 2018 10: 56
          +4
          Quote: Moore
          And they don’t come back because nobody needs them in the Russian Federation.

          that's the question, love from afar?
          Latvia do not change to Russia?
          1. Moore
            Moore 22 March 2018 11: 01
            +4
            See your quote on the need for these people in the Russian Federation.
            And what they love - yes. And they hope that someday the Russian Federation will seriously think about them.
            1. free
              free 22 March 2018 22: 38
              0
              Quote: Moore
              See your quote on the need for these people in the Russian Federation.
              And what they love - yes. And they hope that someday the Russian Federation will seriously think about them.

              Exactly, someday!
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          3. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 25 March 2018 02: 53
            0
            Daugavpils is waiting for the right moment ...
        2. naidas
          naidas 24 March 2018 14: 19
          0
          in Latvia, and Lithuania, and in Estonia more than 90% of the voters cast their votes for Putin, etc.
          And then, that in the Russian Federation no one needs them.
          Something nonsense, vote for Putin, so as not to be needed in the Russian Federation
      2. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 10: 48
        +7
        Even in Soviet times, after graduating from the institute, we had a “distribution” of places for future work. All the “blatniks” and those who are “smarter” (whose “pioneer dawn” didn’t play in the ass) did their best to get to the Baltic according to the distribution and .... fell into. So, after the collapse of the USSR, when graters with the Russian language began there, none of them (those whom I knew) returned to Russia, on the contrary, they got rid of all the property that remained in Russia or came after the death of relatives and finally got over to " to the Baltic states. " I asked some of them: what is it that the "Russians are being clamped" in the same place? They shrugged their shoulders and said, all this is garbage, it’s normal to live there, and we still have a calm old age and a predictable future, but in Russia .... you never know how it will turn ...
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 22 March 2018 10: 57
          +4
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          Yes, and we have a calm old age and a predicted future for our children, but in Russia .... you never know how it will turn ...

          in fact of the matter! I especially like the voters in the States and our patriots in Cannes.
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 11: 15
            +4
            our patriots in Cannes

            "Patriots" write in "quotation marks" ... wink Although, in any case, your irony will not be understood here ...
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 22 March 2018 11: 38
              +4
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              "Patriots" write in "quotation marks"

              Elena Isinbaeva lives in Monaco.
              "And what to do here, in the city, when we just have a beggar Volgograd? It’s a terrible, old city. It has degraded. The roads are terrible - you are torturing a car to repair”
              http://www.vlg.aif.ru/society/details/70891
        2. Moore
          Moore 22 March 2018 11: 08
          +6
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          So, after the collapse of the USSR, when graters with the Russian language began there, none of them (those I knew) did not return to Russia,

          Good reservation. I am from Latvia, I was born and raised there. I made my choice at one time, although I could quit the army and go there. There, too, people made a choice, each one of their own: what kind of huh to leave from where you were born if some reader of VO wants this?
          At the same time, type a note - how many lived there in the 80s and how much is left now, as well as a change in the ratio of local / Russian speakers. Do you think everyone rushed only to the west?
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 13: 05
            +2
            I do not "suppose" anything. You can take over the years and compare emigration to and from Russia according to the "truthful" Rosstat and foreign data (I admit, I trust them more):
            http://ruxpert.ru/%D0%AD%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%B3%D1%80%
            D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%B8%D0%B7_%D0%A0%D0%BE
            %D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8
            Or here: http://polit.ru/article/2002/05/13/464305/
        3. asv363
          asv363 24 March 2018 02: 54
          +4
          Can you say something articulate about the life of pensioners in the Baltic states? About how older families saved money for heating, for example.

          In addition, the flag of your state is constantly changing from Russian to American. Who are you, Monster_Fat (or how are you there)?
    3. MrK
      MrK 22 March 2018 16: 25
      +4
      Quote: Moore
      In the United States of the number of voters at least 65% for Putin


      I, too, living in the United States, and having a couple of lyamas in my pocket, would vote for Putin.
  12. Oleg Kozlov
    Oleg Kozlov 22 March 2018 08: 07
    +6
    And for some reason, the bitterness of the authors is clear to me ... They just expected a little of not such results ... Not such debates ... Not such rules ... Well, they got what they got. Let's see what will happen next. Personally, I went to the polls in the hope of a change for the better. Not only me, many ... The most important claims against Putin are his government. And his friends are in power. Let's see the results after the inauguration. We still have no other options.
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 22 March 2018 08: 09
    +11
    In fact. We argued here about Putin or Grudinin. And the people went to vote Putin or Sobchak, because people simply did not know about Grudinin off the Internet. Naturally, everyone went to vote for Putin, because "Sobchak made house-3 from Russia."
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 50
      +1
      To the point, Gardamir! The same thing happened. Either they didn’t hear at all, or they had heard such a thing on TV that there was no thought to vote him. But anyway, he scored in real life about 30%, the logic of voting in the internet indicates this, but we are far from the last in the world in terms of Internet coverage.
  14. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 22 March 2018 09: 07
    +1
    Authors, the article is certainly good, not without reverence for the current government - a kind of hidden propaganda of a high level, but in general 3 with a "plus". But about a new stage? Do the authors themselves believe in this? laughing And why is democracy and economy opposed? What is cognitive dissonance? It's like trying to compare wet with blue.
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    2. KERMET
      KERMET 22 March 2018 10: 20
      +1
      Elections, elections .... And what, did the people have or have a real choice?
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 51
        +1
        Was - Grudinin and the team! But we (in the majority) did not take advantage of this. Personally, I voted for Grudinin and will still be, if necessary.
  15. Altona
    Altona 22 March 2018 09: 24
    +11
    Quote: Hard Rock
    You yourself go to your side with a flag on a stick, and I go to another one and it is with the flag, you are our liberal, have a happy journey and a long return!

    ---------------------
    Once again, Putin is as liberal as Sobchak, Yavlinsky and Titov, all the more so as he himself said it. The nature of our economy is liberal, and this is not hidden - Nabiullina, Siluanov, Oreshkin rule the financial bloc in the Government. Therefore 76,66% + 4% = 80,66%. A convincing victory for the liberal course. And in order to disguise itself, the GDP decided to pretend to be crypto-Stalin, expressing thoughts of a “breakthrough” and a crypto-socialist, deciding to “fight poverty”. The truth is not clear by what methods the breakthrough will be achieved and poverty will be defeated. There is nothing to finance the jerk, and poverty cannot be defeated by distributing money to marginalized people, as was the case in the late USSR, when alcoholic families were given benefits.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 22 March 2018 10: 21
      +10
      Quote: Altona
      Putin is as liberal as Sobchak, Yavlinsky and Titov

      therefore, expectations of any changes in the course of any government are completely groundless, all the more so Putin has repeatedly stated, "the course will remain unchanged."
      Therefore, it is strange when some stated: "I will vote for Putin, if only I would change the government." Is it myopia or patriotism?
      And who is the greater patriot? At the present moment, Medvedev and Co., all the oligarchs. Somehow it happened. But what about the people? The people, "if only there was no war"
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      2. Height
        Height 25 March 2018 01: 50
        +1
        Good whining, already sickened, he has nothing to eat
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 52
      0
      Poverty, he will defeat, destroying the poor, as the main cause of poverty.
  16. Altona
    Altona 22 March 2018 09: 26
    0
    Quote: andrej-shironov
    And why is democracy and economy opposed? What is cognitive dissonance? It's like trying to compare wet with blue.

    --------------------------------
    The whole discussion of the last 30 years has been reduced to giving greater rights and resources to territories and settlements, but they could not solve it. And without this, there will be no real democracy.
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 22 March 2018 09: 43
      +1
      smile Do you believe that at the present stage of information technology and the dibilization of the population, true democracy is possible?
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 09: 54
        +1
        Democracy ... one of the famous (Rousseau?) Said that "democracy" was only in city-states in the era of "guilds", when such odious "guilds" as thieves officially existed and had their representatives in control systems, prostitutes, hired killer-brethren, beggars, etc. "
  17. mavrus
    mavrus 22 March 2018 09: 54
    +9
    the author burns .... This is the case when the article is not so interesting as the comments to it. Mutual accusations of opponents of liberalism began immediately. And I am glad that finally the word liberal in Russia is the most offensive in politics.
    My opinion. It is very good that Putin has such a large percentage, and it is very bad that Grudinin scored so little. The overwhelming majority of the "sterners" (including myself) fully support Putin both in international and in military politics ... But something goes wrong in the economic and social spheres. And the Communists, in my opinion, have such a bad result, burying all hope that President Putin will disperse this part of the government and take a new course to correct imbalances in these areas.
    PS So that there would be no questions for me ... I fully acknowledge Putin’s victory, I consider the speech that the elections are "wrong" idiocy.
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 22 March 2018 10: 08
      +2
      You are right. There is nothing to add. hi
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 22 March 2018 10: 32
      +5
      everything is right. And it’s not so much about Putin. The fact is that even after his people will choose his nominee. The shadow of Putin will not give the country an alternative in domestic life for another 12 years.
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 55
      0
      I acknowledge Putin’s victory, but I consider the election dishonest!
  18. Ural resident
    Ural resident 22 March 2018 10: 02
    +6
    And I didn’t know that the officials ruled my hand when I voted for Putin.
    How much anger the losers have. What Putin is accused of is that he was able to build power in such a way that he has no worthy competitors, in my opinion this is not a minus, but a plus - the weaklings on the presidency are already tired of seeing. But Grudinin needs to gain political experience, let him grow up a little, look, in time, we will vote for him if he is worthy.
    But to be honest, after 6 years there will be another candidate - he is already visible in about 3 years, although they hide him, and I already am for him. I hope I'm not mistaken - after 6 years I will check
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 22 March 2018 12: 21
      +1
      If I were a candidate, I would immediately announce that I will continue Putin's work, well, plus that and that. I would definitely take the second place and the next election would have a great chance to take the first place. But you won’t go far on abuse.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 56
      0
      There is such a thing as the subconscious, the 25th frame and many others, useful for the power of lotions.
  19. Altona
    Altona 22 March 2018 10: 02
    +4
    Quote: andrej-shironov
    Do you believe that at the present stage of information technology and the dibilization of the population, true democracy is possible?

    --------------------------
    I can only deal with matters of faith with God. The rest of the questions I can only somehow analyze based on the experience and education. And our population can be inspired with anything that we populate Mars, we will build communism by 1980, we will distribute apartments by 2000, we will double GDP by 2017, and so on. The population is a donkey that looks at a carrot that power hangs for it.
  20. Altona
    Altona 22 March 2018 10: 04
    +6
    Quote: mavrus
    That there were no questions for me ... I fully acknowledge Putin’s victory, I consider the speech that the elections are “wrong” to be idiocy.

    -----------------------------
    The elections were correct, Putin was elected legitimately. The only question is that Putin will again throw people as it was in 2014 with New Russia, when he took the right to steer the army single-handedly and refused a week later, apparently Sechin dissuaded.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 22 March 2018 11: 13
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      The only question is that Putin will again throw people as it was in 2014 with New Russia

      No doubt. The Novorossiya project is closed due to obvious financial and image losses. LDNR is advantageous to the authorities in their current state, preferably without firing and the dead, just like the anchor holding Ukraine, but like Russia. If you admit LDNR, it means letting Ukraine into NATO. It's like death
  21. New Year day
    New Year day 22 March 2018 10: 34
    +4
    Quote: Resident of the Urals
    he was able to build power in such a way that he has no worthy competitors, in my opinion this is not a minus, but a plus - the weaklings on the presidency are tired of seeing

    so built that he drove the earth into asphalt. Can something grow on the asphalt? Now only liberals walk the parade ground.
    And the president annually solves the problems of landfills, hot water, health care. Something vertical can't handle
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 22 March 2018 12: 41
      +6
      Most recently, at one of the “forums”, Kudrya said that he had found understanding with the President that in the country it was necessary to finally get away from the remnants of the Soviet era - “free” and “state payment” (which remained where) and so on. Only payment will attract investment and entrepreneurs, will provide an increase in financing in a particular area and, consequently, its development, otherwise there will be only inefficient spending and "eating up". In principle, this is correct, but ... for this, priority development of monetary accumulations is necessary in order for the population to have money to "pay" for "everything", and here there is nothing intelligible except to increase the notorious "labor efficiency" (in their understanding, "intensity", that is, work more than 12-14 hours, etc.) no one can offer or do not want ...
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 58
      0
      And the latitude is committed to robbing and littering our country. And upstairs - victorious reports about the greatest achievements.
  22. LVMI1980
    LVMI1980 22 March 2018 10: 36
    +2
    Somehow synchronized attacks began (read the buildup of dissatisfied) in different media and the Internet.
    Immediately a bunch of questions arose ...
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 22 March 2018 23: 07
      +2
      Quote: LVMI1980
      Somehow synchronized attacks began

      Quote: LVMI1980
      Immediately a bunch of questions arose ...

      Colleague, here, just no questions. The usual "post-election" state. yes Maybe you remember that under the Soviet Authority in the pizzerias on the counter there was a sign “Wait for the foam to settle” (so that clients and OBHSS had no complaints). So - that’s it. yes Now it’s a little churning, and settling. For the same mattresses (not to be remembered by night) kipesh after the elections took place for more than a year. Well, and the media ... yes they have such a job - take it and sketch it out (depending on preferences or bias). Something like this.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 26 March 2018 14: 59
      0
      Which ones, please voice?
  23. Varyag71
    Varyag71 22 March 2018 10: 49
    +8
    The secret of the elections, which you have never been told before. Voluntary enslavement in the “election”. How does this happen. Disseminate this information to everyone. Whether they understand or not is their choice. 1. The President is not elected, the President is appointed. 2. When you come to the polls, you do not vote. This is not required. “If something depended on the elections, we would not be allowed to participate in them” M. Twain. 3. By putting a list in the “air book” (voter list), you thereby transfer all your Rights to the local administration, renewing voluntarily the status of the Slave of yourself and your children under 14 years of age. It doesn't matter what you yourself think about it at that moment. It is important that the essence of your signature is hidden from you. You voluntarily confirm your status, despite the fact that you are being deceived. Signed - get it. 4. Any "election" with the signing of the "airbag" (voting lists) - there is a voluntary update of your status with the adoption of all those "Laws, Taxes, Rules, Courts, Violence, Poverty, Denial of responsibility from yourself and your children" ... . etc. 5. Ignorance about the consequences is not an excuse at the time when you protest when disassembling you for organs or robbing Mendel, Shelomov, Pishchek, Chubais, Naebullina and further on the list. Explanations When you come to the “elections”, you yourself sign in the “airbook” before voting, presenting “Ausweis of the Russian Federation” in agreement to carry out any actions against you by the administration of the colony. The transfer of rights in respect of you and your children under 14 years of age occurs at the time of painting in the "air book" before receiving the ballot. This seems to you in Reality called the “Voter List”. The very fact of issuing a piece of paper with candidates and throwing it in the ballot box. is an imitation of action. You have already completed the main action - SIGN IN THE PILLOW BOOK voluntarily, presenting a document confirming your status as a “citizen” After painting in the book, you receive the status of a “slave” affected in Rights. And it is completely VOLUNTARY. Belluti of voting with or without checkmarks, which does not play a role, will be disposed of on the same day under the sounds of "Hawa Nagila" and drinking alcoholic drinks with secrets in the oblast administration. Having signed in the book upon receipt of the “voting ballot” - legally you have already given your Rights for the next “Presidential term”. You yourself have enslaved yourself - and VOLUNTARY !!! And it does not matter now who will “win”. The main thing is that he came and signed. Voluntarily, he himself, without coercion, refused the Rights, transferring them into the hands of “individuals”. Hydrogen sulfide and their Shabesgoy.
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 22 March 2018 12: 13
      +5
      What nonsense. And at the same time, never buy products with a barcode, so you subscribe to slavery to the one who produces it.
      1. MrK
        MrK 22 March 2018 16: 31
        +6
        Quote: housewife
        And at the same time, never buy barcode products


        German Gref: “You say terrible things. You propose transferring power into the hands of the population ... As soon as people understand the basis of their “I” and self-identify, it will be extremely difficult to manipulate and manipulate them. People will not want to be manipulated when they have knowledge. How to manage a society where everyone has equal access to information, everyone has the opportunity to receive unprepared information through government-trained analysts, political scientists and huge media machines engaged in building and maintaining (social) strata? It’s scary to me from your reasoning, to be honest, I think you don’t quite understand what you’re saying. ”
        Notice. These words were not spoken at a secret party, but at the All-Russian Economic Forum in 2014. This is how much it is necessary to HATE YOUR PEOPLE AND BE CINEMA CINEMAL, TO PUBLICALLY, OUTDOOR, EXPRESS THE MOST ESSENCE OF LIBERAL FASCISM. But as they say - WHAT ABOVE MAKAKA SLIDES ON A TREE, IT IS BETTER SEEING ITS Naked LIBERASTIC ASS.
        From the book of A. Kurlandchik: Damned Soviet power ... on Proza.Ru
        1. naidas
          naidas 24 March 2018 14: 27
          0
          Quote: mrark
          THE MORE THAN MAKAKA SLIDES ON A TREE, IT IS BETTER SEARCHING ITS Naked LIBERASTIC ASS.

          Other macaques see her bare ass, and the highest macaque see a bright future.
    2. asv363
      asv363 22 March 2018 14: 20
      +5
      The author of the message (Varyag71) above completely "blew the roof"?
      1. mutant
        mutant 22 March 2018 19: 10
        0
        But why this can’t be? It’s quite possible! If not, then why? Justify or just can blame that the person has been blown off !!!!
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 23 March 2018 00: 54
          +2
          Quote: mutant
          And why this can not be? It may well!

          Quote: mutant
          or you can only blame that the person has been blown away !!!!

          So, after all, the “demolition” of the roof may well take place, yeah.
          Roofs ride from doom
          Roofs are coming from an inferiority
          Roofs ride from tension
          Roofs come from evil resentment ...

          Well, authorship, I'm sure you know. yes
          you yourself sign in the “airbook” before voting presenting “Ausweis of the Russian Federation” in agreement to carry out any actions against you by the administration of the colony.
          Here half the trouble, if you just reposted, not really delving into it. If he himself, without an ensemble, then, perhaps, everything is much worse.
        2. asv363
          asv363 24 March 2018 03: 17
          +3
          Quote: mutant
          But why this can’t be? It’s quite possible! If not, then why? Justify or just can blame that the person has been blown off !!!!

          From my personal point of view, I just asked a question.
  24. Varyag71
    Varyag71 22 March 2018 10: 51
    +6
    Real people who are here, who really love and care for their homeland! You won’t prove anything to Zaputins. These are slaves and even they themselves do not understand this.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 22 March 2018 11: 07
      +8
      People confuse the legitimate desire to live better in their own country, for which they fought, with the primitive logic “who is not with us, that is against us”, worked out in the election campaign. Everything is somewhat different: he who does not want real changes for the better will inevitably begin to live worse with the “comforting” slogan (though not related to reality) “they do not change the horses at the crossing”. We are all used and it is not clear who is in the dark, who is for money, but in any case it is a pity. In the first, those who are in the dark, and in the second, money that is so primitively thrown away, but could have been useful in the economy.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 22 March 2018 12: 02
        +8
        Quote: Silvestr
        We are all used and it is not clear who is in the dark, who is for money, but in any case it is a pity. In the first, those who are in the dark, and in the second, money that is so primitively thrown away, but could be used to the economy

        You have a new training manual, no way? Over the past 3 days, a dozen repetitions of this, in general, uncomplicated thought ...
        Quote: Silvestr
        They all use us ...

        This is you ... use. It’s methodologically wrong to speak for everyone, and not everyone treats this with understanding yes
    2. cats
      cats 22 March 2018 11: 45
      +5
      Quote: Varyag71
      Real people who are here, who really love and care for their homeland! You won’t prove anything to Zaputins. These are slaves and even they themselves do not understand this.

      laughing
      Calm down already .. Breathe deeper .. We know that there are many, such guardians ..
      Question: Why do not you care for your homeland in your homeland?
    3. mutant
      mutant 22 March 2018 19: 11
      +1
      I understood this for a long time and I’m not trying to argue with them fool
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  25. loaln
    loaln 22 March 2018 10: 59
    +2
    The article is very similar in content and essence to the state of public life in Russia. There are a lot of words, as a result, walking in a circle with the repetition of mantras that got their teeth on edge and, as a result, CHAOS. In the heads.
    And on the surface lies the main thing - there are no parties in Russia. And there are no parties, there are no spokesmen for their interests. There are only people who are ..., I will not say insulting things. In this state, someone more brilliantly presented to him, more often flashing, mysterious, but stubborn and .... He himself will not notice how he will become the head ... and it will cheerfully follow him. No matter where. And everything will no longer depend on the people. The only trouble is that the leaders are not cloned. Consequently, the stage of the next chaos will surely come and is no longer in the head. And there is no one to sort the brains. The parties are Potemkin.
    As a refrain. The party is an exponent of a part of society. To do this, she must have a goal. Without it, an idea will not form. Without this, ideology will not appear. Without it, you cannot explain to society the need for a party to exist. And without this, only loungers will go behind the party, without an idea, without ideology, to a pompously advanced goal or with greater impudence to goals. Seeking only the BENEFIT from such a trip. What we are observing now. People need peace so that they are not touched, and prosperity. But for society - this is rotting and DESTRUCTION.
  26. Chater57
    Chater57 22 March 2018 11: 03
    +2
    Authors, as they say, "change shoes in a jump."
    If Putin had, for example, 55%, then they would consider the total number of voters “for”, divide by the number of voters, sort by region proving that “and victory is on the verge of a foul, dubious.”
    Now a new discovery - "the officials are to blame for the deafening victory of Putin! It was they who, with their aggressiveness, made people go out to the ballot boxes and vote for Putin!"
    And the conclusion is again the same - "the victory is unconvincing, it is still unknown how the vote would have passed if it had not been for the administrative resource."
    The idea of ​​the authors is still unclear to me. But, I think, after a couple of publications (and I read them all carefully) I will understand which way they are blowing. But now I know - not in mine.
  27. a housewife
    a housewife 22 March 2018 11: 34
    +9
    So here. No technology could force me to go and vote for Yeltsin in due time. From sanctions, I did not live worse. Yes, not everything suits me right now in the country. And you take a small house, break the windows-doors, demolish the roof, flood the basement, break the door, block the road to this house and make a dump from the site. And then try to restore it all, and even do better than it was. At the same time, so that the neighbors actively interfere, scandal and strive to select the site. How much effort, money, nerves and time it will take !!! Not one year. And if it was done with the country? Maybe someone has a magic wand?
    Democracy is bad! Show me her, this democracy. Not in form, but in essence. Is America a Democracy? England? Germany? Panama or maybe Luxembourg? Who to take an example from? Do not tell my slippers !!! Who gave the idea that there should be some parties there? How many should there be? Whigs and Tories? WHAT FOR? I am illiterate, I do not understand. I did not vote for other candidates not because I love Putin. He is not my relative to love him. But what he does is personally satisfying. Yes, I can say that I am proud of my president! Throw a stone at me for this. But others are not satisfied with their intentions.
    1. naidas
      naidas 24 March 2018 14: 31
      0
      Quote: housewife
      Throw a stone at me for this

      Why throw a stone into the room where you live you have 18 years there is no window and everything suits you, it is better to throw where there is a window.
  28. John Steinpreiss
    John Steinpreiss 22 March 2018 11: 38
    +3
    CHITROGRAD * It's time to understand who WE ARE for a long time. And they won’t be surprised at what happened. The Russians sold us long ago along with patrons. We have such a fate. And the one who voted for Grudinin is generally an injured person on his head. I generally regret that I was born in Russia. There is nothing to be proud of, just shame and stratum .. The bestial attitude to pensioners, to people with disabilities, to nature, to animals and to ordinary people gives me such reasoning. Let's start with the Victory of 1945: 1. Participation in the parade of people with disabilities injured in the war (resulting in disability). Not only did they not participate, but they were hidden and exterminated.
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 22 March 2018 12: 15
      +2
      What is holding you here?
  29. Varyag71
    Varyag71 22 March 2018 11: 40
    +7
    Quote: housewife
    So here. No technology could force me to go and vote for Yeltsin in due time. From sanctions, I did not live worse. Yes, not everything suits me right now in the country. And you take a small house, break the windows-doors, demolish the roof, flood the basement, break the door, block the road to this house and make a dump from the site. And then try to restore it all, and even do better than it was. At the same time, so that the neighbors actively interfere, scandal and strive to select the site. How much effort, money, nerves and time it will take !!! Not one year. And if it was done with the country? Maybe someone has a magic wand?
    Democracy is bad! Show me her, this democracy. Not in form, but in essence. Is America a Democracy? England? Germany? Panama or maybe Luxembourg? Who to take an example from? Do not tell my slippers !!! Who gave the idea that there should be some parties there? How many should there be? Whigs and Tories? WHAT FOR? I am illiterate, I do not understand. I did not vote for other candidates not because I love Putin. He is not my relative to love him. But what he does is personally satisfying. Yes, I can say that I am proud of my president! Throw a stone at me for this. But others are not satisfied with their intentions.

    Rejoice. They are already considering the idea of ​​raising income tax from 13 to 15%. Be proud further. And also see how people are poisoned in Volokolamsk.
    The Soviet Union in World War II recovered in a fairly short time and not just recovered, but became a superpower!
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 23 March 2018 00: 23
      0
      Who is considering? Where? The decision was made - you personally reported? Tell me when exactly they will accept!
      1. naidas
        naidas 24 March 2018 14: 34
        0
        Quote: housewife
        Who is considering? Where? The decision was made - you personally reported? Tell me when exactly they will accept!

        Well, you, like our neighbors, where are the infringements of the Russian language?
        Dvorkovich has already calculated that he is ready to give 500 thousand rubles additionally with a tax of 15%.
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 24 March 2018 22: 25
          +1
          But Putin said there would be no tax increase. Should I believe Putin or Dvorkovich? Or you? And then - what a strange sum of 500 thousand? Will Dvorkovich personally give this out of his pocket?
  30. Mengad
    Mengad 22 March 2018 12: 12
    +7
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    Stirbjorn (Michael) Today, 09:28 ↑
    Grudinin at 28%
    It’s strange that Grudinin’s VO is not 128% ... laughing VO before the elections generally turned into a shout "whoever is not for Grudinin is against Russia." So I am personally surprised that he scored so little here.
    In general, voting on the site is ridiculous! Go to the "echo matzah" or "lie", everything is there for Sobchak or for Yavlinsky. And even better at "censor.ua", you will be more convenient there.
    The people voted FOR PUTIN! Do you have evidence of fraud? If you go to court and present, no, go to the forest! You have lost now, you will lose in the future, reconcile, but the majority of people are against you and your vision of the development of Russia. So calm down already.

    Another lost reality laughing The court? For special, gifted ones, how are you ... I’ll try to explain something to you, how you are sorry to express the rams by the nose, Video from surveillance cameras at polling stations in the courts is not accepted as evidence. Now let’s I’ll ask you a question about backfill: Why did you have to install video cameras and why? And spend tens or even hundreds of millions of rubles to install them? If the violations recorded on it are NOT ACCEPTED AS EVIDENCE? And I will explain to you .... sorry rudeness .. what would you think are short-sighted, that the Russian Federation has a kind of democracy, and everything is honest. Answer me? Why there are no observers ... when counting the votes eh? Didn’t ask a question? Throw one thing in the ballot box .. and It’s another matter to calculate .. didn’t you think that voices are tricked even during the calculation ?? Remember Power is so simply not lost ... and if you need to keep yourself in power ... people go to different meannesses. I hope that in Russia there will be many reasonable people, and thinking, and then she will become act flax by the State and not by a raw materials appendage ... but for now. in Russia, two troubles ..this ....
  31. Mengad
    Mengad 22 March 2018 12: 40
    +2
    Quote: Victor N
    And Abramovich in Chukotka is very respected - he saw in more than one program. I do not think that's all, but many. And to risk building an LNG plant on the Yamal Peninsula or the Crimean Bridge - I would not risk it: it's such a pain in the neck !!! These guys deserve respect, at least from professionals.

    Any creator deserves respect. .. well, and the link to what they say can only be respected by those who understand this .. alya professionals .. and judging by your promise .. do you consider yourself to them? Your post .. it's just swagger. And yet, each has his own opinion about Alexei Navalny, but I give him credit for his investigations, unlike the vac. Judging by everything, Ivan Ivan was involved in this matter .. in your opinion, he would also have been bought by the State Department and would be a rotten liberal (Hi Kudrin, Sechin, Nabibudina , Miller, Dvorkovich, Medv
    eating, and others) Bulk to blame for the fact that the liberals in the Government of the Russian Federation? Or those people who did not vote for Putin?
  32. Radikal
    Radikal 22 March 2018 13: 13
    +2
    Or maybe even go to the American model? And in the future in general from the people refuse the election? Why? Electors from regions or members of the Federation Council elect a president, and we elect electors.
    Even easier - we nod to the TV! crying wassat
  33. Mazandaran
    Mazandaran 22 March 2018 13: 14
    +2
    How many people: so many opinions! But everyone forgot that it’s all the flowers ....! Berries will be later. Why?
    1.Even if the people chose Putin, there is absolutely no guarantee: that there will not be a revolution in Russia!
    2. NATIONAL PATRIOTS rally more and more in the lower classes
    3.E. All this can happen only in one case, while the Central Bank of Russia is not nationalized by the State, it belongs to the US Federal Reserve !!!
    And do not be surprised that the National Patriots of Russia together with the NP of Ukraine can start this 2nd Bourgeois Revolution !!!
  34. asp373
    asp373 22 March 2018 13: 16
    0
    I look at the authors burned from the election, that's just not clear from what. But hatred towards a certain social group is clearly visible, but it is not clear what to do about it.
  35. mpzss
    mpzss 22 March 2018 13: 21
    +2
    Hello, everybody!
    The article was about what !? What kind of reasoning is the person who was cheated in something !? And some comments are also not clear who writes!
    People, I also have a LOT of questions for our president and government, but I won’t go to vote and campaign against them for several reasons:
    1. when there were no “sanctions”, everyone was happy, everyone lived off the “pipe” and everyone was happy with everything, and as soon as they introduced the “sanctions”, they all yelled at once: “Everything was gone,” “everything became bad,” “the president resign ", etc.
    2. Are you sure that any other president will be better !? I'm not sure! there are simply no such candidates!
    3. so that the current president has a competitor, this competitor should appear at the beginning of the reign of the current president, and not at the end - before the election !!!!
    And in general, all these articles, in my opinion, are designed to try to undermine our society !!!
    And yet, here everyone scolds the president for creating his environment from his own, as all ill-wishers say, “friends,” but you would put yourself in his place if you were the president or leader of any other rank, you would didn't create a team of your own people !? To have a team that would be comfortable working !? Yes, more than sure that they would CREATE !!!
    1. karish
      karish 22 March 2018 13: 35
      +3
      Quote: mpzss
      and you are sure that any other president will be better!

      Have you been? Well for comparison
      Quote: mpzss
      there are no such candidates

      Who would doubt that laughing . And where did they come from in 110 million countries
      Few people, one genius.
      Quote: mpzss
      so that the current president has a competitor, this competitor should appear at the beginning of the reign of the current president,

      where does he come from?
      Although no, there is one ---- Medvedev laughing


      Quote: mpzss
      In general, all these articles, in my opinion, are designed to try to undermine our society !!

      exactly the main thing is stability and vertical
      Quote: mpzss
      And yet, here everyone scolds the president for creating his environment from his own, as all ill-wishers say, “friends,” but you would put yourself in his place if you were the president or leader of any other rank, you would did not create a team of your own people!

      Of course I would have made them and it is desirable that they would become billionaires.
      And then they’ll try

      Quote: mpzss
      there are simply no such candidates!

      laughing
      Well, that's what most people think.
      Stockholm syndrome
      Stockholm Syndrome (Stockholm Syndrome) - a term popular in psychology that describes a protective-unconscious traumatic relationship [1], mutual or unilateral sympathy [2] that arises between the victim and the aggressor in the process of capture, abduction and (or) use or threat use of violence. Under the influence of a strong experience, the hostages begin to sympathize with their invaders, justify their actions and ultimately identify themselves with them, adopting their ideas and considering their sacrifice necessary to achieve a "common" goal
      1. mpzss
        mpzss 22 March 2018 14: 05
        +3
        Do you think that more than 70% of Russia's population has the Stockholm Syndrome? then what are YOU doing among sick people !?
    2. MrK
      MrK 22 March 2018 16: 35
      0
      Quote: mpzss
      that the current president would have a competitor, this competitor should appear at the beginning of the reign of the current president, and not at the end - before the election !!!!


      Yeah. Putin did just that. He appeared with EBN.
      1. mpzss
        mpzss 23 March 2018 12: 04
        0
        You see, our opinions coincide with him!
  36. Mengad
    Mengad 22 March 2018 13: 42
    +1
    Quote: mpzss
    Hello, everybody!
    The article was about what !? What kind of reasoning is the person who was cheated in something !? And some comments are also not clear who writes! (Laws are then issued to regulate society, but at the same time they restrict the freedom of worldview and understanding of man)
    People, I also have a LOT of questions for our president and government, but I won’t go to vote and campaign against them for several reasons:
    1. when there was no “sanction”, everyone was happy, everyone lived off the “pipe” and everyone was happy with everything, and as soon as the “sanction” was introduced, everyone yelled at once: “Everything was gone,” “everything became bad,” "president resigned", etc. (Loans were available in foreign banks at a small percentage, which gave an impetus to the economy and the development of production. How do you like gentlemen Putinintsy to distort everything as you prefer, you decide whether we are sitting on a pipe or not sitting? and what consequences did they bring?)
    2. Are you sure that any other president will be better !? I'm not sure! there are simply no such candidates! (Oh how! What are you saying! You want to say .. that among the 145 million people of multinational Russia there is no worthy person for the presidency? Dear? But do you take a lot on yourself?)
    3. so that the incumbent president has a competitor, this competitor should appear at the beginning of the current president’s board, and not at the end - before the election !!!! (The incumbent President, in extreme cases, if he wants a change of power, he is looking for someone who will protect him from criminal prosecution when he leaves power. This is the best case. But practice shows that it’s most likely that you will be so frantic and stupid as you’ll put him to the end of his years.)
    And in general, all these articles, in my opinion, are designed to try to undermine our society !!! (Society? And you do not take into account the fact that society is divided into people of certain views or interests. At this time, society is divided, the interests and goals of society are different. So we will not speak from the whole society .. but rather from people who are part of society and support Putin’s policy, agree?)
    And yet, here everyone scolds the president for creating his environment from his own, as all ill-wishers say, “friends,” but you would put yourself in his place if you were the president or leader of any other rank, you would didn't create a team of your own people !? To have a team that would be comfortable working !? Yes, more than sure that they would CREATE !!!
    (Do not judge people by yourself, the Normal Ruler in the first place does not come from YOUR interests and friends .. but from the interests of PEOPLE and SOCIETY)
    1. mpzss
      mpzss 22 March 2018 14: 07
      0
      I don’t judge people by myself, everyone has their own opinion and I’m not going to condemn or criticize him, I have several friends who voted for Grudinin, and so what? This is the right of everyone to choose.
      I expressed my point of view, if it does not suit you, then these are your problems
  37. Varyag71
    Varyag71 22 March 2018 13: 43
    +3
    Quote: housewife
    What nonsense. And at the same time, never buy products with a barcode, so you subscribe to slavery to the one who produces it.

    You are already a slave, do not build a thinking person out of yourself.
  38. Mengad
    Mengad 22 March 2018 13: 45
    +4
    Quote: Silvestr
    no, why get angry? Putin ran an election campaign at "5". The task is completed. All honestly.

    Where is the program? Where is the debate? Plus administrative resources. Honestly?
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 22 March 2018 16: 37
      +1
      Quote: Mengad
      Speak honestly?

      voting!
      Otherwise, I completely agree with you.
  39. Varyag71
    Varyag71 22 March 2018 13: 49
    +5
    Quote: Kotovsky
    Quote: Varyag71
    Real people who are here, who really love and care for their homeland! You won’t prove anything to Zaputins. These are slaves and even they themselves do not understand this.

    laughing
    Calm down already .. Breathe deeper .. We know that there are many, such guardians ..
    Question: Why do not you care for your homeland in your homeland?

    My homeland is the USSR! And I am glad for her! And such deceitful and vile personalities, like you, poison the stench all around.
    And why are you sitting in your Israel and open your mouth?
  40. Mengad
    Mengad 22 March 2018 13: 51
    +3
    Quote: 4ybys
    About the oil and gas pipe. In Russia over the past 10 years, enormous investments have been made in oil and gas refining, old facilities are being reconstructed with increasing capacity and lowering fuel and energy resources, and new ones are being built. I work in the field of chemical engineering and I know what I'm talking about. Therefore, reading about the "pipe, oil, gas" from the training manual is simply ridiculous.

    Are you right ... only debts are growing and Rosneft and Gazprom did not think about this? Or do you think that there are such professional managers? Sechin and Miller? They only build pros themselves palaces.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 22 March 2018 13: 54
      +7
      Quote: Mengad
      debts are growing Rosneft and Gazprom did not think about this?

      Are they growing?
      And to whom are debts growing?
      External debts, or internal, at least?
      Quote: Mengad
      They are only pros to build their own palaces

      What are you pros in? wink
  41. Varyag71
    Varyag71 22 March 2018 13: 52
    +4
    Quote: Mengad
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    Stirbjorn (Michael) Today, 09:28 ↑
    Grudinin at 28%
    It’s strange that Grudinin’s VO is not 128% ... laughing VO before the elections generally turned into a shout "whoever is not for Grudinin is against Russia." So I am personally surprised that he scored so little here.
    In general, voting on the site is ridiculous! Go to the "echo matzah" or "lie", everything is there for Sobchak or for Yavlinsky. And even better at "censor.ua", you will be more convenient there.
    The people voted FOR PUTIN! Do you have evidence of fraud? If you go to court and present, no, go to the forest! You have lost now, you will lose in the future, reconcile, but the majority of people are against you and your vision of the development of Russia. So calm down already.

    Another lost reality laughing The court? For special, gifted ones, how are you ... I’ll try to explain something to you, how you are sorry to express the rams by the nose, Video from surveillance cameras at polling stations in the courts is not accepted as evidence. Now let’s I’ll ask you a question about backfill: Why did you have to install video cameras and why? And spend tens or even hundreds of millions of rubles to install them? If the violations recorded on it are NOT ACCEPTED AS EVIDENCE? And I will explain to you .... sorry rudeness .. what would you think are short-sighted, that the Russian Federation has a kind of democracy, and everything is honest. Answer me? Why there are no observers ... when counting the votes eh? Didn’t ask a question? Throw one thing in the ballot box .. and It’s another matter to calculate .. didn’t you think that voices are tricked even during the calculation ?? Remember Power is so simply not lost ... and if you need to keep yourself in power ... people go to different meannesses. I hope that in Russia there will be many reasonable people, and thinking, and then she will become act flax by the State and not by a raw materials appendage ... but for now. in Russia, two troubles ..this ....

    In many places there were no cameras at all. But cheers to the patriots is useless to explain all this. they already simply have no brains, one servility.
  42. rennim166
    rennim166 22 March 2018 13: 57
    +9
    It seems to me that everything is very simple ...
    Those who voted for the "new" Resident voted for Chubais, Serdyukov, Vasilyev, Shuvalov, and, of course, for Yeltsin B.N. and pr.
    Undoubtedly all of them are “ardent patriots” serving wholeheartedly for the good of the people year after year. It was they who lifted us from our knees and forgetting about personal well-being put the Russian Federation on a standard of living with almost "the great Zimbabwe." Glory to them forever and everlasting credit of trust !!! Because such a percentage of confidence in their leaders only among the population of African countries.
  43. Altona
    Altona 22 March 2018 14: 03
    +8
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Most recently, at one of the “forums”, Kudrya said that he had found understanding with the President that in the country it was necessary to finally get away from the remnants of the Soviet era - “free” and “state payment” (which remained where) and so on. Only payment will attract investment and entrepreneurs, will provide an increase in financing in a particular area and, consequently, its development, otherwise there will be only inefficient spending and "eating up".

    ---------------------------------
    This mantra of Kudrin is explained very simply. This is a disguised desire to throw needy groups of the population from the budget to pasture and cut the country's budget only to the close ones and the oligarchs, who are also fed in state corporations. And ordinary people thrown into the "free" market, making them "Indians" in their native land. Only for such thoughts alone would you like to put Putin’s entire economic and financial camarilla on a stake.
  44. Altona
    Altona 22 March 2018 14: 05
    +2
    Quote: Mengad
    Where is the program? Where is the debate? Plus administrative resources. Honestly?

    ----------------------------
    The program and debate will still not bring anything significant to the original result, well, maybe 3-5%, no more. Not everyone will watch and read it.
  45. trophy
    trophy 22 March 2018 14: 09
    +6
    Yes, what are you so distraught gentlemen adherents of GDP, well, just like my mother-in-law, 70 years old. For three thousand kilometers. endured the whole brain, first aggregated, now rejoices. I won the GDP, I won. Hooray, guard, bury, dig, Allah Akbar, Peremoga, Mamkin’s mink! For me, so from the whole list there was not a single person whom I would like to see at the head of my Motherland, and this, by the way, is far from an accident, but the result of a competent multi-year operation, stripping if you want. The GDP did not doubt for a minute. I voted for Grudinin because I didn’t want to put a tick in my newsletter for anyone you know, I don’t think it’s possible to make nasty things on the ballot, and no one will see it. What will happen next, time will tell. Premonitions are not joyful, but I will not vang. And I appeal to the adherents, reduce the time of watching TV, According to the first country, lemon, according to REN, Mars attacks and stealth shit, on the carousel of the teddy bear (you also believe in them?). Open your eyes. Or as the classic said: Wake up, you are fascinated. Regards.
  46. Varyag71
    Varyag71 22 March 2018 14: 10
    +5
    It seems that the truth is that all the patriots are biorobots. Soulless cars without conscience, honor and pride.
  47. Mengad
    Mengad 22 March 2018 14: 13
    0
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: Mengad
    Where is the program? Where is the debate? Plus administrative resources. Honestly?

    ----------------------------
    The program and debate will still not bring anything significant to the original result, well, maybe 3-5%, no more. Not everyone will watch and read it.

    Sorry even comment is not hunting. All the best to you.
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  49. Mengad
    Mengad 22 March 2018 14: 25
    0
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Mengad
    debts are growing Rosneft and Gazprom did not think about this?

    Are they growing?
    And to whom are debts growing?
    External debts, or internal, at least?
    Do not make yourself an idiot, and your irony is not appropriate.
    Quote: Mengad
    They are only pros to build their own palaces

    What are you pros in? wink

    Roofer, experience over 18 years.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 23 March 2018 12: 34
      +4
      Quote: Mengad
      Roofer, experience over 18 years.

      Whom do you cover?
      So what about debts? Roofer? wink
  50. Mengad
    Mengad 22 March 2018 14: 52
    0
    Quote: mpzss
    I don’t judge people by myself, everyone has their own opinion and I’m not going to condemn or criticize him, I have several friends who voted for Grudinin, and so what? This is the right of everyone to choose.
    I expressed my point of view, if it does not suit you, then these are your problems

    Sorry of course .. but it seems to me that you have no opinion .. you have the opinion of the leader.