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Poland will take Western Ukraine, and Kiev will agree with this

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More than four years ago, a coup d'état in Ukraine became the starting point for the gradual disintegration of this post-Soviet state. Ukraine is a political entity that emerged within the framework of the Soviet Union and during the first half to mid-twentieth century included a number of lands that could hardly ever have become “Ukrainian” if not for the policy of Moscow. First, the lands of Novorossia were included in the Ukrainian SSR, then in Transcarpathia, Northern Bukovina and Southern Bessarabia, then the Crimean peninsula.


Meanwhile, a number of territories that are today part of Ukraine is a long-time object of territorial claims from neighboring states. 16 March 2014, the Crimea was reunited with Russia, the Donetsk and Lugansk regions could not exist as part of Ukraine, on the territory of which two popular republics appeared. But that's not all. Hungary, Romania, Poland have their territorial claims to Ukraine. Hungary is increasingly recalling its rights to Transcarpathia with Uzhgorod, where an impressive Hungarian population still lives. In Romania, they remember very well how the country owned Northern Bucovina and Southern Bessarabia. Poland has its own claims. Although Poland is a long-time enemy of Russia and, it would seem, should have some commonality with Ukraine on the basis of having a common enemy, in fact in Warsaw they constantly think about how to separate those lands from Ukraine that they consider to be "originally Polish."



A significant part of the lands of Western Ukraine, in the opinion of Polish nationalists, should return to the Polish state. These lands are called Eastern Lesser Poland. In September 1939, Lviv, Tarnopol and Stanislav voivodships, which were part of Poland after the collapse of Austria-Hungary, were incorporated into the Soviet Union and transferred to the Ukrainian SSR - as Lviv, Ternopil and Ivano-Frankivsk regions. At the Tehran Conference, the Western powers agreed that these areas would remain within the Soviet Union after the end of the Second World War. In the 1991 year, when the Soviet Union collapsed, three western regions found themselves in sovereign Ukraine. The political significance of these territories for modern Ukraine is enormous - they are the cradle and stronghold of Ukrainian nationalism, it is from these areas that volunteers arrived on the Maidan, it is here that the most radical Russophobic sentiments prevail. Surprisingly, these same "sacred" for the Ukrainian nationalists and the authorities of the land, neighboring Poland considers its own.

For Poland, the city of Lviv has always had a special meaning. Back in 1349, Lviv was conquered by Casimir the Great, after which he began to be actively settled by the Poles. After a couple of centuries, the city acquired a completely Polish face and became one of the most important centers of Polish culture of that time. In fact, it was the presence of Poland that determined the cultural, and for a very long time, the ethnic look of Lviv. Until the twentieth century, the Poles (together with Jews and Germans) constituted the bulk of the population of Lviv, while the Galicians - Ukrainians lived mostly in rural areas. Naturally, Lviv was a city of Polish culture, there was even a special language of the Polish language, which even now the descendants of immigrants from Lviv communicate in Poland itself.

Warsaw, Krakow, Lviv are three landmark cities for the Polish people. A Polish university worked in Lviv, many prominent figures of Polish culture lived. Naturally, the Poles would not be going to lose control of Lvov if it were not for the events of World War II. In 1944-1947, when there was a centralized population exchange between Poland and the Ukrainian SSR, most of the Poles left Lviv and repatriated to Poland. So Lviv ethnically (but not historically) ceased to be a Polish city, the Poles turned into a small minority here. But they are still dreaming about the return of Lviv in Warsaw, and they consider this goal quite realistic and achievable, since so far everything is in favor of Polish ambitions.

With regard to Western Ukraine, Poland has long pursued a policy very similar to that of Romania in Northern Bukovina and Hungary in Transcarpathia. Firstly, all ethnic Poles and people of Polish origin living in Ukraine have long had the opportunity to obtain Polish passports and many of them took advantage of this opportunity. Secondly, Poland provides assistance in obtaining a “Polish card” to all ethnic Poles and Ukrainians of Polish origin, who, thanks to this card, are given the opportunity to study and work in Poland. Naturally, most Ukrainians with Polish roots also use this opportunity.

Poland will take Western Ukraine, and Kiev will agree with this


Like Romania, Poland took a course to patronize not only ethnic Poles, but also those Ukrainians whose ancestors were citizens of Poland before 1939 and lived in Polish territories. In fact, these are all indigenous people of Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopil regions of modern Ukraine. Naturally, the economic situation in Ukraine does not leave these people any other choice but to dream of getting a “Polish card” or a Polish passport. After all, Poland, as a member of the European Union and a country that is much more developed economically than Ukraine, can provide them with great job opportunities that are not there and it never seems to be in Ukraine.

In addition, Poland is also concerned about the restitution of Polish property in Lviv and other cities and towns of Western Ukraine. As you know, until 1939, Polish landowners and entrepreneurs owned huge land, buildings, and enterprises in the west of modern Ukraine. The cost of this property is enormous, but modern Ukraine simply cannot compensate Poland for it. The return of property in Ukraine to Polish citizens will lead to further infiltration of Poles, Polish business, Polish culture into the life of Western Ukraine. Moreover, in Poland itself this will be perceived only as a logical return to historical lands of the Commonwealth. For example, when sketches of new country passports were discussed in Poland, options with images of Lviv and Vilnius were offered, which clearly underlines Poland’s territorial claims to neighboring countries.

In Warsaw, they are interested in a gradual "polonization" of Western Ukraine, for which they pursue an appropriate cultural policy - they develop the teaching of the Polish language at universities in Western Ukraine, support Polish cultural centers, and promote the emergence of Polish-language media. Naturally, they are not going to stop their cultural expansion in the region in Warsaw, although she encounters a mixed reaction from the Ukrainian authorities. But modern Ukraine has no forces for confrontation with Poland and is not foreseen in the near future. Poland is well aware that Ukraine is a political bankrupt and they are waiting for the long-standing dream of the Polish nationalists to regain control of the Eastern Lesser Poland.

In the eyes of Ukrainian nationalists, Lviv is the “Ukrainian Piedmont”, the region from which “independence” began and which plays a key role in the unification of the country and the formation of Ukrainian identity. But in Poland they do not think so. Moreover, in Warsaw, they openly demonstrate complete hostility towards Ukrainian nationalism. Since 1 in March 2018 in Poland came into force a tough law against Ukrainian nationalism. Now, for denying crimes committed by Bandera, in Poland you can get from 3 to 5 years in prison. Members of the OUN-UPA (banned in the Russian Federation) are classified as criminals who organized the genocide of the Polish people during the Second World War. Meanwhile, official Kiev regards Stepan Bandera and his comrades as national heroes, these are symbolic figures for the Ukrainian state for lack of other “idols”. Already here there is a sharp contradiction between Warsaw and Kiev. What kind of normal relations between countries can be discussed if the national heroes of one country in another country are considered war criminals guilty of the genocide of the Poles?



Many Ukrainian politicians are well aware that Poland, although it supports Ukraine against Russia, is actually counting on the dismemberment of the modern Ukrainian state. About this, in particular, spoke the notorious Oleg Tyagnibok - the leader of the nationalist party "Freedom". In Lviv, there was even a march of Ukrainian nationalists against Polish territorial claims. Some prominent figures of the Ukrainian nationalist movement, such as the writer Larisa Nitsa, expressed their indignation at the territorial claims of Poland.

But, at the same time, even such a famous figure as Dmitry Yarosh, opposed the confrontation with Poland and other western neighbors of Ukraine, urging Kiev to focus on solving problems with Russia. In fact, these words of one of the most famous Ukrainian nationalists can be understood as a willingness to give up the claims of Poland, Hungary, Romania in the name of the anti-Russian struggle. What is interesting is that Ukraine will be ready to sacrifice truly Ukrainian lands, where the Galicians historically lived - the creators of modern Ukrainian identity, but only to preserve the ability to resist Russia because of the Russian lands of Novorossia or the Crimea.

For Warsaw, the fussing of radical Ukrainian groups does not pose a significant danger. In Poland, they argue in more global and serious categories, considering the political and economic aspects of the possible implementation of their territorial claims. The Polish leadership is well aware that, firstly, Ukraine cannot respond to Polish territorial claims in any way, and secondly, Poland has a very serious political resource - the support of the United States and Great Britain.

Washington has long viewed Poland as a key component of Russia's confrontation in Eastern Europe, given the anti-Russian positions, historically inherent to the Polish elite, and the geographical position of Poland. The very existence of Poland makes it possible to “cut off” Russia from contact with Germany and hinder the development of bilateral ties that could contribute to the revival of a strong German state. Poland plays the role of a cordon between Russia and Germany. Therefore, in the United States and Great Britain they are looking at the growing territorial claims of Warsaw towards Kiev.
If necessary, the United States will readily allow Poland to seize the lands of Galicia. A strong and large Poland for the United States is preferable to the frail Ukrainian state with many internal political and economic problems. Moreover, even if Ukraine cut off Galicia from Ukraine in favor of Poland, Bukovina in favor of Romania and Transcarpathia in favor of Hungary, the Kiev regime would still continue its anti-Russian policy. For Kiev, this is a question of its political survival, for which the Kiev leaders will sacrifice any territories without a twinge of conscience.

As for the European Union, and especially Germany, for whom such growth of Poland is extremely unprofitable, they will not be able to resist the new territorial redistribution in the east of Europe. Germany, unlike the United States or Great Britain, has no real levers of influence on the political situation in Ukraine, the Polish or Ukrainian leadership. Therefore, Germany will be forced to accept the new redistribution of borders in Eastern Europe, although this will entail negative political and economic consequences for the German state.

Confrontation with Russia for modern Ukraine is much more important than the protection of their territories in the west of the country. The situation with the Crimea took this character precisely because Crimea decided to reunite with Russia. If, for example, Transcarpathia broke away from Ukraine and became part of Hungary, then no one would have noticed it, would have remained silent in Kiev. Since Ukraine is a Western project of “Anti-Russia”, for the Ukrainian leadership only those areas of activity in which it is possible to develop a confrontation with our country are important.

Most likely, the issue of the transfer of any territories to western Ukraine will sooner or later be raised at the official level. And it is possible that Kiev, understanding the futility of its position, will be forced to agree with Poland’s territorial claims. Perhaps the land will be ceded for some kind of financial compensation, for some kind of favorable agreement to Kiev. But the fact that Kiev will not defend its western lands is almost obvious.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 21 March 2018 15: 14
    +2
    This is a difficult question. Even the small hostilities that will accompany the capture of Lviv will mean that Warsaw has committed aggression and NATO protection does not extend to it.
    1. Hoc vince
      Hoc vince 21 March 2018 15: 26
      +6
      Already preparing the ground:
      Polish Foreign Minister Jacek Chaputovic said that there is a shortage of democracy in the European Union.
      “The deficit of democracy in the EU is not a figure of speech, but a reality”
      1. volodya
        volodya 21 March 2018 15: 35
        +4
        Quote: Hoc vince
        Already preparing the ground:

        Poland is already collecting militias, as if to defend against Russia!
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 21 March 2018 16: 15
          +15
          One hundred years ago, Ukraine was not led by some Waltzmans with the Groisman, but the correct ukronacist Petlyura, who sold ZUNR (including Galichin) to Poland for the ephemeral support of his personal power and, apparently, for tilka pennies for sebe. The current Ukrainian authorities are pushing parts of Ukraine into the West themselves as soon as the owners say: "it's time."
          And Tarasam and Panasam will be there in Poland the same as before between 1MB and 2MB - a terrorist organization led by the evil dwarf Bandera was created not because of a theoretical craving for independence, but thanks to the policy of the Polish authorities in relation to its cattle.
          1. Artyom Yarovikov
            Artyom Yarovikov 21 March 2018 18: 50
            0
            interestingly. So a new terrorist movement will be created? (against Poles and Russians?)
          2. iouris
            iouris 22 March 2018 13: 35
            +1
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            A hundred years ago

            But then the territories were returned and Poland received territorial compensation from I. Stalin.
            The transfer of Russian territories to Poland will mean that the process of the collapse of Russia has become irreversible. But the Russian Federation as a nuclear power has the opportunity to prevent this and restore the territorial integrity of Russia.
    2. bandabas
      bandabas 21 March 2018 17: 02
      +6
      Yes, let the psheks and saloids cut among themselves.
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 21 March 2018 17: 31
        +4
        Quote: bandabas
        Yes, let the psheks and saloids cut among themselves.
        Not for this, our Great Ancestors gathered the Russian lands under one flag to squander them. And what do you have against a slice of black bread with a slice of fat and a slice of cucumber? Poles are the same saloyed.
        1. captain
          captain 21 March 2018 19: 21
          +10
          Our great ancestors at one time gave Galicia to Austria-Hungary. Apparently they well understood that we did not need a strange people. Galicians are people alien to us. And all the moaning about the Rusyns and their miserable life under the Austrian emperors is the desire of our cheers, and the stupid desire will become famous.
        2. bandabas
          bandabas 22 March 2018 13: 24
          +2
          I have nothing against. Yes, I also love lard. And I know Rydna Ukraine well. Since Soviet times. About the ancestors. Mine- collected, and not for lard with cucumbers. Both the Caucasus and Siberia. I have the honor. By the way. It would be more correct to say, a loaf of bread, shmat bacon and a tub of pickles.
        3. bandabas
          bandabas 22 March 2018 14: 02
          +1
          lol And how it turns out in the old joke- "You spread, spread .. Yes, we spread. No, you put pieces in pieces ... Ah, you spread."
      2. Andkor1962
        Andkor1962 22 March 2018 04: 54
        +1
        So anyway, once RUSSIA will need to collect Russian lands!
    3. avt
      avt 21 March 2018 18: 59
      +4
      Quote: iouris
      This is a difficult question.

      bully Nothing like Petlyura, well, their new dick, this question was already solved simply and elegantly - he gave 5 (FIVE) regions to the Polesudski Poles as his “universal”? So lohlam is not the first.
      Quote: Hoc vince
      Already preparing the ground:

      Already yes-ah-ah-avno is ready for upright seats.
    4. Phoenix_L'vov
      Phoenix_L'vov 21 March 2018 21: 25
      +1
      Poland does not need protection from Ukraine, but from attacks by other countries - protection will continue to operate, otherwise, why does Poland need NATO?
      By the way, the NATO countries have repeatedly committed illegal and unprovoked attacks on other states - and nothing, none of them were deprived of protection.
    5. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 21 March 2018 22: 35
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      that Warsaw committed aggression and NATO protection does not extend to it.

      Poland-Ukraine relations, but that doesn’t mean that it will be the same with Poland-Russia
  2. Pravodel
    Pravodel 21 March 2018 15: 30
    +10
    The Poles are not given a dream of a great Poland from “mozh to mozh”. This dream has led Poland to collapse more than once. After the accession of Galicia to Poland, just turn on the counter, counting down the time until the next partition of Poland. The Poles' hope that the Anglo-Saxons will rush to defend them is not at all obvious. An example already exists: in 1939, with the last partition of Poland, the guarantors - France and Great Britain - washed their hands calmly and made it possible to divide Poland. The fact that the Anglo-Saxons traditionally betray their allies, even a perfect idiot knows. To find out, just talk with the Egyptians, Kurds, Turks, etc.
    Poles forward !!! Just do not forget to start the clock on the town hall in Warsaw and Lviv, counting the time until the next partition of Poland.
  3. Irek
    Irek 21 March 2018 16: 30
    +5
    But why do they need this maydanut herd. .. only the territories will be taken away.
  4. Tula gingerbread
    Tula gingerbread 21 March 2018 16: 46
    +15
    There will be no military action. The Poles very clearly laid out the party and drove Kiev into a trap.
    Kiev, by its incredible stupidity, "in spite of maskals," itself gave the legal basis for Poland's demand for the return of Western Ukraine.
    This is the same document that was signed by Poland, Ukraine and the Baltic states, where they recognized the non-aggression treaty between the USSR and Germany as invalid, and even stupider- the Yalta agreements, which became the basis of the post-war world order.
    It was the Yalta agreement that secured the post-war territorial structure of Europe.
    Recognizing it invalid, Ukraine itself recognized that the lands of the Western Ukraine belong to Poland and now any European court recognizes Poland’s right to these lands. The Poles probably rubbed their hands enough to make “ancient ukrov” so easily.
    Involuntarily remember Lavrov - de ... ly. Now the Poles are just waiting for the right moment and the go-ahead from across the ocean.
    1. businessv
      businessv 21 March 2018 20: 30
      +1
      Quote: Tula gingerbread
      Involuntarily remember Lavrov - de ... ly. Now the Poles are just waiting for the right moment and the go-ahead from across the ocean.

      Regarding Lavrov, I agree 100% !!! good But the go-ahead, in principle, is hardly possible because then you have to unconditionally recognize the Crimea, and in this case casus belli will disappear, which is unacceptable for the mattresses in the current situation!
    2. Antares
      Antares 22 March 2018 01: 11
      0
      Quote: Tula gingerbread
      It was the Yalta agreement that secured the post-war territorial structure of Europe.

      hmm .. and the bipolar world? And what about the post-war device? And the UN ??
      The borders of each country were set separately by the relevant treaties of the two countries (bordering each other)
      USSR and Poland agree on a new border (Soviet-Polish agreement 1945 (August 16))
      By the way, the main thing in Potsdam was that .. Poland has a significant compensation by German lands ..
      Can I still write about the German HPP ??? So that they will divide Poland laughing ...
      Poland supports the territorial integrity of Ukraine. With the Crimea.
      1. Tula gingerbread
        Tula gingerbread 22 March 2018 11: 13
        +2
        Forget it, a long post-war device was sent to the landfill by Western countries. UN? Turned into an empty talking room.
        Remember that the UN resolution recognizes Kosovo as part of Serbia, and this resolution has not been canceled.
        And this prevented Western countries and, above all, NATO countries from recognizing Kosovo?
        First of all, Poland does what is beneficial to it, so do not flatter yourself.
        There is no USSR, and Russia has a border with Poland only in the Kaliningrad region.
        By the Ukrainian-Polish border, Russia has no relationship.
        About the Polish-German territorial graters, I wrote below.
        I think the Germans remember that they chopped off the land in favor of Poland, only the United States will decide what and to whom.
        They can let Poland strengthen as a counterweight to Germany, but Germany can strengthen, the United States will not give under any circumstances.
        But life sometimes throws out such fortels that it can turn in any way.
        Suddenly, Ielstone will explode and then Germany will spit on Wishlist USA and Poland probably have to tight.
        In general, we assume, And the Lord has.
  5. credo
    credo 21 March 2018 17: 02
    +3
    Quote: The Truth
    The Truth (ppp) Today, 15:30 New
    The Poles are not given a dream of a great Poland from “mozh to mozh”.

    Hunting more than captivity - Greater Romania, Greater Poland, Greater Bulgaria, as well as Greater Albania, etc. - especially when the "good uncles" are pushing for this.
    It is unlikely that ordinary citizens of Poland so dream of Western Ukraine as part of Poland, despite the fact that there are not many co-religionists left there, and the problems have accumulated with interest.
    It is just that the true masters of Poland have different views on its mission, so they will be ready at any time to draw it into any adventures.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 21 March 2018 22: 42
      +1
      Quote: credo
      It is unlikely that ordinary citizens of Poland so dream of Western Ukraine as part of Poland

      not at all unlikely, psheks are quite nationalistic
  6. credo
    credo 21 March 2018 17: 19
    +3
    Quote: Tula gingerbread
    Recognizing it invalid, Ukraine itself recognized that the lands of the Western Ukraine belong to Poland and now any European court recognizes Poland’s right to these lands. The Poles probably rubbed their hands enough to make “ancient ukrov” so easily.

    Following your logic, any German court recognizes the right of Germany to almost all the northern territories of present-day Poland, as well as the western regions of Poland, as originally German, and ..... the "show" will be healthy.
    This is certainly not the case, and most countries of the world wanted to spit on all these “civilized courts” when it comes to territory, so if it comes to the division of Ukraine, it seems that this will be done by the politicians of Ukraine itself.
    1. Tula gingerbread
      Tula gingerbread 22 March 2018 10: 51
      +1
      Germany does not deny the Yalta agreements, unlike Ukraine.
      Of course, the Poles, denying the Yalta agreement, laid a mine under themselves, if we take into account the German lands that they received.
      But I think Germany will not twitch, the United States will decide anyway. How many US bases are there in Germany? That's it.
      The fact that the politicians of present-day Ukraine are foolish is beyond measure, this is true and they, in essence, with their own hands, launched the collapse of Ukraine.
      Well, the Poles and other Romanians, I think not against taking advantage of the foolishness of Ukrainian politicians.
  7. klm-57
    klm-57 21 March 2018 17: 26
    +9
    Russia will never agree with this. During its independence Ukraine has already “tricked” a lot of things that could lead to a new world war. It's time to abolish this almshouse called Ukraine.
  8. credo
    credo 21 March 2018 17: 34
    +3
    Quote: klm-57
    Russia will never agree with this. During its independence Ukraine has already “tricked” a lot of things that could lead to a new world war. It's time to abolish this almshouse called Ukraine.

    Strictly speaking, it is now a small problem to abolish non-states, the problem is what to do with this territory later. For those sitting behind a large puddle, such an action will be both interesting and inconsistent, but the neighbors will howl from such abolition. So let it be so far in the form in which it exists today, but we'll see.
  9. KonoGon
    KonoGon 21 March 2018 18: 25
    +3
    Well, there may be unexpected plot developments, for example: the confederation of Poland and Ukraine. Here you have a grandmother and there will be a day.
    1. Warrior Hamilton
      Warrior Hamilton 21 March 2018 19: 01
      +4
      What a great thing! Lyakhi-pans, Ukrainians-serfs, Khabadniks-loan sharks, shinkari and pimps .... Everything - as in the good old days ..... Dream ... ...... Ehh ....! fellow
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 21 March 2018 21: 42
      +1
      Can. The same soccer championship joint is an example. And the steps towards polonization are undeniable.

      As in the world, the number of universities in Confucius is steadily increasing.
  10. Wolka
    Wolka 21 March 2018 18: 30
    +2
    the scenario is the same, the question is who will the gentry prepare as a victim of Ukrainian nationalism ...
    1. KonoGon
      KonoGon 21 March 2018 23: 54
      +1
      Quote: Volka
      the question of who the gentry will prepare as a victim of Ukrainian nationalism ...
      Definitely "Muscovites". There are not many Jews left. And after all, quite a uh, a wicked country will succeed.
  11. dgonni
    dgonni 21 March 2018 19: 10
    0
    I thought laughing or crying? It is because of a misunderstanding of what is going on that your high-ranking officials are doing the same stupid things. If it is simpler then this is a stupid stuffing aimed at your connection. No offense. Ukraine, as the TS writes, was lost during the Yanek period? Well Duc of the year 2012. He provided the type and power was more than ever. Less nonsense in terms of submission of information, more analytics. Although what kind of analytics regarding Ukraine is possible for you?
    1. akims
      akims 21 March 2018 19: 33
      +10
      I will answer, dear gunman, in Lviv they already say in plain text: when will Poland take us away? Half of the west is in polandia, half of Lviv has acquired a map of the Pole. Massively issue such a card, even in Kharkov. And, it turns out so ridiculously - the local Jews, who dangle here and there in sunny Israel, now also, it turns out, are Poles.
      1. Antares
        Antares 22 March 2018 01: 15
        0
        Quote: akims
        in Lviv region they are already saying in plain text: when will Poland take us away?

        even if by some miracle they manage to get it, I'm afraid they will find some problems there.
        They should not take unnecessary problems.
        Many there do not like the Poles. Yes, and the nationalists are the same ..
        And the fact that they work is understandable. But this is work, not a "change of religion" ..
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 21 March 2018 21: 46
      +1
      25 years actively tearing. Yes - there was a carrot from the west: involvement in all kinds of educational programs, for example.
      The West probably won the battle for youth.

      There is also a key question for Ukrainians: who is their own, who is a stranger?
      1. Antares
        Antares 22 March 2018 01: 17
        +1
        Quote: Korsar4
        Yes - there was a carrot from the west: involvement in all kinds of educational programs, for example.

        no one bothered to act in the same way. Even cheaper and easier and more affordable.
        Here we are talking about ideas even for the Russian Federation itself. There is no such .. there is a Western consumer. But the orientation towards Western values ​​is that Ukraine that Russia is obvious. There is no own idea.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 22 March 2018 05: 46
          +1
          By inertia, much went on.
          And in the 90s it was popular to say: "These are politicians, but we are."

          Then, immediately they began to interpret history interestingly.
          Not a great expert - but Ukrainian textbooks for schoolchildren are something.

          And in the 90s, it is true, and we loudly dominated the transition to Western "liberal" values.
  12. Santor
    Santor 21 March 2018 19: 30
    +1
    What Polonsky what Damansky, as if one person writes ... I’ll see how Poland will take these lands ... There is a centenary hostility on these lands, and the Ukrainians will not be given the lands without blood to the Poles. Go to the Western Ukrainian forums yourself and talk to people. And do not draw conclusions on the basis of the media and zombies and such authors here.
    By the way, by the way - in Western Ukrainian forums I calmly communicate with people, no one rushes. And those who rush are “newcomers” together with Ukrainians from Kiev and the Dnieper, which the Mova do not really know. Even if Western Ukrainians are of a different opinion, one can argue with them there, to prove something. Unlike the forums in central and eastern Ukraine, where the word Russia itself causes diarrhea and incontinence in Russian-speaking schubonoschiki.
    1. Antares
      Antares 22 March 2018 01: 20
      0
      Quote: Santor
      Western Ukrainians, albeit if they are of a different opinion

      I agree. Were there, quite quiet, not aggressive ... Central and southern Ukrainians are not like that.
      These though Ukrainians but somehow too correct or something laughing . They would be fine to be small officials. Quiet neat right ... not like ours ... talkative, hot-tempered, love arguing and stubborn ...
    2. NG inform
      NG inform 22 March 2018 01: 39
      +2
      It was not for this that the Russians founded Lviv, so that some Poles and their slaves would divide it among themselves.
  13. naidas
    naidas 21 March 2018 20: 20
    +1
    Quote: Observer1
    too value their membership in the European Union to violate them.

    But Donald Tusk thinks differently: when funding ends, Poland may hold a referendum on leaving the EU
  14. nickgv
    nickgv 21 March 2018 20: 58
    +1
    On the basis of what they are going to "return" something to themselves. On the basis of a coup in Ukraine, so clearly supported by Poland itself? It would not be necessary then for a long time and it is difficult to unravel this knot, disentangle this mess and, as a result, lose even more than you wanted to get a freebie.
    1. Victor19
      Victor19 21 March 2018 22: 15
      +4
      Ukrainians will not simply give up the western part. In the 20s and 30s of the last century, there was a bloody discord between the Poles and the overseas. This discord only intensified. By no means justifying the crimes of Bandera, I can say that in those years the Polish authorities carried out, and this is not to say the word, a policy of genocide against the Ukrainian population. Religion was forbidden, churches were closed, language was forbidden, people were driven out of the land, and judicial executions were carried out. Pilsudski’s policy was bloody. Not Bandera, so someone else would have led the movement against the Poles. As often happens in history, unable to get even with the authorities, Bandera killed the Polish civilians. Of course there were some terrorist attacks after the authorities (the assassination of the Polish minister), but still the main terror was experienced by civilians.
      1. NG inform
        NG inform 22 March 2018 01: 41
        +1
        The fact that Poland was and is a Nazi state is no worse than Nazi Germany - and so everyone knows. It’s just not very clear how all these people ended up on Russian territories.
  15. Scud
    Scud 21 March 2018 23: 48
    +3
    In fact, many In dill, if not everyone does not know or forgot that Ukraine, quietly gave Romania about 12 thousand square meters. the waters of the Black Sea. As for Galicia, it would seem that the most patriots, with a pan all over their heads, broke the light behind their eyes from Spain to the British Seas. Their fat was closer to the body.
    If today we hold a conditional referendum, like the Crimea, then the Galician primates laid a bolt on one and indivisible.
    1. Antares
      Antares 22 March 2018 01: 26
      +1
      Quote: scud
      many In dill, if not everyone does not know or forgot that Ukraine, calmly gave Romania about 12 thousand square meters. Black Sea

      13 thousand to be more precise
  16. Catfish
    Catfish 22 March 2018 00: 42
    +2
    The Poles are already fed up with their Greater Poland. Like chronic hemorrhoids. There will never be any large Poland, and no one will allow them to create it, and they themselves will not be able to. They would sit quietly, but they would raise their apples and graze pigs. And then, where the horse with the hoof, there is the Pole with his claw. And history does not teach anything. tongue
  17. Antares
    Antares 22 March 2018 00: 53
    +1
    how many mistakes ..
    Poland can’t give the memory; it will kill her as a strong state for a long time
    Ukrainian nationalism will need to be cleaned there ... everything will end bloody as before
    Yes, and we just won’t give up
    USA it is not necessary ..
    Romania goes through the forest here and is not loved by her for a long time.
    In the article, this error is 1/3 of the regions, and not all of Donetsk and Lugansk
    Well, and like a cherry - why articles about how dangerous Poland is if the Russian Federation has already climbed and identified itself as the main enemy?
    The fact that the nationalists say so, their Wishlist is very large (out of our Kuban and others)
    How many saw similar Russian articles on Romania, Poland, Hungary ... but only the Russian Federation did so.
  18. Vyacheslav Evstafiev
    Vyacheslav Evstafiev 22 March 2018 01: 09
    +2
    Why Russia in this situation does not raise the question of the native Russian lands of the entire left bank of the Dnieper. Moreover, Ukraine adopted a law on the disposal of all Soviet heritage. And the left bank of the Dnieper is the first and most significant gift of Kievan Rus from the Soviet government. Any chantrap can bring down monuments to Lenin, who insisted on this gift.
    1. iouris
      iouris 22 March 2018 12: 56
      +1
      Quote: Vyacheslav Evstafiev
      Why Russia

      If what is called "Ukraine", and in fact is an important large integral part of Russia, will not be annexed as Crimea, then in the future there will be neither "Ukraine" nor the Russian Federation. This is the ultimate goal of "getting rid of the Soviet legacy" and "the fight against Stalinism."
  19. Z_G_R
    Z_G_R 22 March 2018 03: 40
    0
    I won’t tell you whether to give territories or not, but many in those parts have Polish or Hungarian documents. It makes you think a lot ..
    1. iouris
      iouris 22 March 2018 17: 59
      0
      Quote: Z_G_R
      many in those parts have Polish or Hungarian documents

      In the Pskov region, many have “documents” of Estonia. It came to the point that such citizens were elected or appointed to positions in various governing bodies. This is not related to the territory.
  20. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 22 March 2018 05: 59
    0
    Poland will quietly prepare the ground for a referendum in Lviv, etc., then hold a referendum on separation from dill, and then on joining Poland. It will take about 5 years. We will wait.
  21. alex-cn
    alex-cn 22 March 2018 08: 17
    +1
    "Therefore, in the USA and Great Britain, they are wagging their fingers at Warsaw’s growing territorial claims against Kiev."
    In the thirties, they also looked at Germany ...
  22. Leonid Zakharov
    Leonid Zakharov 22 March 2018 09: 30
    +1
    The author is ashamed. "Muscovy" is a word from the vocabulary of the fascist occupying Reich commissariats.
    1. akims
      akims 22 March 2018 12: 03
      +1
      I apologize, but the concept of Moskovia - appears on geographical maps of the early 17th century. The compiler of the map is the French military engineer and cartographer Guillaume Levasser de Beauplan (1600-1673). In the early 1630s, he arrived from France to the Commonwealth.
      1. iouris
        iouris 22 March 2018 12: 51
        +2
        Of course, I wildly apologize, but in the XXI century. introduced the concept of "Dill". You can put it on the cards.
  23. Curious
    Curious 22 March 2018 14: 06
    0
    The author writes about a question in which, apparently, he does not understand at all. Or pretends not to understand. Although the latter is doubtful.
    Today we have a situation where all neighbors, without exception, want to “cut back sturgeon” from Ukraine. But everyone has some reason for not allowing this to be done by direct capture. Poland, Romania, Hungary, Sdlovakia are connected by membership in NATO and the EU. Naturally, none of them sees leaving such coveted organizations in a nightmare, and no part of Ukraine will tempt them to leave these ranks. Russia, for some reason, limited itself to the Crimea and does not move further under any guise. For the "electorate", the version is being actively promoted that the accession of the LPR and the DPR will bring about the third world Armegedon, but this is a version with reality that has nothing real.
    The only option "to eat a fish and not to board a boat" is to provoke the neighbors into a rash step. What if someone’s nerves can’t stand it? Russia will begin - Poland will legally bite off under the guise of protecting ethnic Poles. Poland is scattering - accordingly it will be possible to nibble a piece from the other side.
    How long these dances with tambourines will last is hard to imagine now. All sorts of options are possible here up to the Russian-Polish agreement. Time will tell.
  24. Warrior Hamilton
    Warrior Hamilton 22 March 2018 17: 01
    0
    Quote: Warrior Hamilton
    To teach and teach are completely different things. Take an example from us? Then create them in "their territory" the Autonomous Palestinian Republic or region. Build them universities and schools, theaters and museums, kindergartens and hospitals, factories and factories, pour money into their infrastructure. Let the representatives of the autonomy sit together with you in all kinds of Knesseds, rule the "small country" Return the Galans, show goodwill, then maybe it will not be necessary to spray saliva on Russians .......

    Golan izv.
  25. Micfoster
    Micfoster 22 March 2018 18: 58
    0
    Type of Tehran or Yalta.
    The leadership of Russia, Poland, Hungary and Romania will gather in some small quiet city for a conference. And they decide among themselves, each takes his own, and let Ukraine remain the Kiev region. What, then, will the EU and America say? And what sanctions will apply, not to one country, but to four? And this could well have been if Poland had not been on the list. Well, you understand how the Poles love us! In general, this already happened, it was Poland that was once divided in this way.
  26. chingachguc
    chingachguc 22 March 2018 21: 20
    0
    the author has a rich imagination. Having acquired Western Ukraine, Poland will receive a surge of Bandera partisanism and terrorism. Poland has nothing to rely on there. And Russia in the eastern and even central regions has something to rely on.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 22 March 2018 21: 37
      +1
      Quote: chingachguc
      Poland will receive a surge of Bandera partisanism and terrorism.

      Poles with them, unlike the Communists, will stand on ceremony; ours re-educated them, and the pans always did differently and that the most interesting thing is that no one will yell about human rights
      1. chingachguc
        chingachguc 22 March 2018 22: 14
        0
        yes let them take it, am I against it?
  27. Dmytro
    Dmytro 23 March 2018 07: 07
    +1
    I myself am from western Ukraine and I want to say that the author is only partially right. In the minds of the Polish elite, the idea of ​​the return of the eastern minority to a single Polish state is really hatched. Recent elections to the Sejm revealed the real slogans of Polish political forces, in which western Ukraine is shown as the once lost part of the truly Polish lands. It seems to me that if Poland decides to regain the West Ukrainian lands, it will do so by economic and political methods. Already, the Polish government allows Ukrainians to enter the country and seek work in Poland using a visa-free regime. No European country has such a policy for Ukrainians. The visiting Austerbeiters themselves willingly learn the Polish language, become familiar with the Polish culture and, seeing the best economic condition of the Polish state, do not at all feel like losers. Ukraine cannot provide them with such salaries, and the Poles themselves invite them to visit. Such a policy in a few years will ensure the high loyalty of Ukrainians to Poland. The rest is up to political manipulation. That’s what I’m sure that Poland will not act with clumsy methods, breaking into the china shop like an elephant, but will do everything delicately.
    Here, some comrades constantly recall Bandera, nationalism and 1943 in Volhynia. So I’ll say that there is no enmity between the Poles and the Ukrainians at all. All these are political games and far-fetched problems, which are being rolled up by some political forces both in Poland itself and in Ukraine. After those events, a whole era has passed and much water has flowed. Many no longer delve into the feuds in which their grandfathers and great-grandfathers participated. Better watch less zombies. It is about a lot of far-fetched things about modern Ukrainian-Polish relations. And the frostbitten Natsiks, who are regularly shown by the Russian media, are minority and can be neglected.
    1. iouris
      iouris 23 March 2018 16: 29
      0
      Quote: Dmytro
      The visiting osterbaiters themselves willingly learn the Polish language, join the Polish culture and, seeing the best economic condition of the Polish state, do not feel like losers. Ukraine cannot provide such salaries

      That's right, the Ukrainians do not need the Ukraine project anymore, they are now “ostarbeiters,” that is, join the "Polish culture". Polish "Ostarbeiters" do not need land, rights, and in general everything that prevents them from working productively under the control of "highly cultured" lords, but they need it from the principle.
  28. TPS777
    TPS777 24 March 2018 12: 07
    +1
    Poland is not Russia, but a normal civilized state, it will not take anything
  29. 1536
    1536 25 March 2018 10: 11
    +1
    First of all, it is necessary that Poland be drawn into the EU as much as possible, its population liquefied, the most able-bodied people left to work west, the remaining ones were involved in servicing NATO bases (German primarily) located in Poland. It is necessary that the control of the so-called Polish Army be carried out only under the control of NATO (again, best of all the Germans) and not have any operational-strategic initiatives. Poland should be dissolved in the EU, like a piece of sugar. Then all sorts of threats to Ukraine and Russia will disappear by themselves. I. Of course, in no case should one support any manifestations of Polish nationalism, as much as some individuals and organizations in Russia would not like, who imagined themselves to be descendants of the "Polish kings". And this is already an internal affair of Russia.
  30. isker
    isker 25 March 2018 11: 34
    +1
    article - complete nonsense! It only costs a little bit of progress to change the existing borders - how can this lead to simply disastrous consequences! This is firstly, and secondly - they asked the opinion of the Kremlin (Poland)?
    and this clown Y. Chepukhovich - can carry bullshit 100 times a day - democracy, plyyz!
  31. Normal ok
    Normal ok 26 March 2018 17: 06
    0
    If this is analytics, then I am the pope. Even greater insanity than a year ago, the promise of Zakharchenko by May 2017 to occupy Kiev.
    The author answer at least one question: who (by last name) seriously announces in Poland about the annexation of Western Ukraine? And who in the West needs a revision of the post-war borders? Apart from political marginals, no one talks about this. Focusing on those is the same as seriously believing in the return of Alaska to Russia.
  32. Canister shot
    Canister shot 28 March 2018 19: 02
    0
    Well, about the impossibility of Germany to resist the growth of Poland, the question is quite controversial. Of course, the political and especially military capabilities of the Germans relative to the United States are small, but let's not forget that Germany is essentially the economic and financial locomotive of the EU and the lion's share of the EU budget is formed by contributions from Germany. In turn, Poland has so far received very substantial subsidies from the EU budget (according to some estimates, up to 30℅ of its GDP). And if the Germans arrange this faucet # fasten this faucet, then the Pole will have to be very sour.
    The fact that Germany is able to push its interest in Europe is clearly visible on the example of SP2. Another question is whether she wants to fit into the whole story?