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A new line for the production of 338Lapua Mag and 308Win cartridges has been opened in Ulyanovsk

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A new production line was opened at the Ulyanovsk ammunition plant in a festive atmosphere, according to Online regional government.


A new line for the production of 338Lapua Mag and 308Win cartridges has been opened in Ulyanovsk
Governor of the Ulyanovsk region Sergey Morozov at the ceremony of launching a new production line at Ulyanovsk Cartridge Plant JSC. Ulyanovsk, 14.03.2018.

Work on the modernization of production was carried out in the interests of law enforcement agencies of the Russian Federation. Construction of the new plant was carried out as part of the federal target program, which was designed for three years - from 2015 to 2017.

Today, the Ulyanovsk Cartridge Plant launched a test production of new types of products that were not previously produced at the enterprises of the country. This is almost a billion rubles of investment. As a result, a unique technology of manufacturing new types of products was created. Completion of tests and the actual start of production are scheduled for the second half of 2018. This will allow the company to expand its sales markets and increase its output. In turn, the regional authorities are doing everything so that every enterprise in the Ulyanovsk region and each of our residents will have more and more new opportunities every year. Vladimir Putin said this very well when he called Russia a country of opportunities, and the people of Russia were its most important wealth
The governor of the Ulyanovsk region, Sergey Morozov, said at the ceremony.

As the plant specialists said, during the modernization, equipment was purchased that allows "to provide highly accurate process debugging and provide automatic control of key process parameters (based on CNC)." As a result, a unique technology of manufacturing new types of products was created.



The new equipment will produce cartridges of the .338 caliber lapamagnum and a cartridge of the .308 caliber hard drive. These are high-precision sniper cartridges that are in service in the Russian Federation. They are very popular both in our country and in the world. The uniqueness of this complex lies in the fact that if earlier in Russia they only collected such cartridges, now we will manufacture the cartridges, bullets, the shell and all the necessary components and collect all this. Thus, the cartridges will become fully Russian-made,
explained the executive director of the company Alexey Dubonosov.

It is also reported that “according to the results of 2017 of the year, the volume of products shipped by the Ulyanovsk cartridge plant exceeded 2,7 billion rubles, which is comparable to the similar indicators of 2016 of the year”. Last year, the company transferred 134 million rubles to the consolidated budget of the Ulyanovsk Region.
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  1. den3080
    den3080 19 March 2018 12: 33
    +1
    Photo: bosses choose Saturday beer snacks
    lol
    1. Dead duck
      Dead duck 19 March 2018 13: 36
      +2
      Quote: den3080
      superiors picks smelt for Saturday beer

  2. 1536
    1536 19 March 2018 12: 34
    +5
    So, you look, and we’ll get to the production of iPhones.
    But seriously, well done! If I’m not mistaken, then there were such projects under the Soviet regime. Cartridges are in demand, there is a shortage of them on the market, and cartridge production is advanced technologies, jobs, interesting work.
    1. Cxnumx
      Cxnumx 19 March 2018 12: 41
      +6
      Quote: 1536
      Cartridges are in demand, there is a shortage of them on the market, and cartridge production is advanced technologies, jobs, interesting work.

      overall good. but I wonder whose equipment there. otherwise we have a crooked import substitution: we do it ourselves, but we use machine tools from the EU.
      1. Dreamboat
        Dreamboat 19 March 2018 13: 18
        +2
        [quote = 0] [quote = 1536]
        overall good. but I wonder whose equipment there. and then we have a crooked import substitution: we do it ourselves, but the machines are from the EU. [/ quote]
        What is the question? Even if the equipment is imported, the material, labor and all the added value are ours ... Our salaries, our taxes, our production, which is not dependent on any sanctions.
        1. Cxnumx
          Cxnumx 19 March 2018 13: 52
          +4
          Quote: Dreamboat
          What is the question? Even if the equipment is imported, the material, labor and all the added value are ours ... Our salaries, our taxes, our production, which is not dependent on any sanctions.

          in the fact that in 10-20 years it will be necessary to change equipment and again have to purchase foreign machines. if they sell.
      2. Dead duck
        Dead duck 19 March 2018 13: 41
        +3
        Quote: K0
        but machine tools from the EU.

        the machine tool industry has long since collapsed ...
        it seems to be slowly recovering and a new factory was launched to manufacture their machines.
        Although upscale equipment was purchased under the USSR ... request
        In the 80's, he met pre-war machine tools, once they even showed priests assembled under the tsar and working laughing
      3. BIP PS FSB RF
        BIP PS FSB RF 20 March 2018 04: 24
        0
        Quote: K0
        machine-tool production fell apart for a long time ... it seems that it is slowly recovering and a new factory was launched to manufacture its machines. Although high-quality equipment was purchased under the USSR ... In the 80s, I saw machines

        Also the first thought was - whose machines?
        I really want them to be of their own production. And then again, the dependence will be on maintenance, spare parts ...
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 19 March 2018 12: 41
      +2
      It is difficult to pull an iPhone into a war, however, like a cartridge, it is in no way associated with peace and tranquility!
      Everything in the furnace of war ... you need to do, just rejoice at what?
      1. Dreamboat
        Dreamboat 19 March 2018 13: 15
        +2
        Quote: rocket757

        Everything in the furnace of war ... you need to do, just rejoice at what?

        You can rejoice and shooters - athletes and hunters.
        Even Czech cartridges now cost a lot in one training session. If they give normal quality and reasonable price it will be super ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 19 March 2018 13: 45
          +1
          Both athletes and hunters. at a drop in the bucket, there’s no talk for them, it’ll be right!
          The fact that the plant can not do only for conditionally peaceful purposes, also everything is clear. Then they will cost .... expensive. Conveyor, mass production and nothing else!
          I can’t have anything against, I just can’t be happy ... I always have such a gift with me, since those times!
          1. Dreamboat
            Dreamboat 19 March 2018 14: 00
            0
            You are wrong, the civilian market in our country is far from small, especially for the 308 caliber. To this caliber, a lot of weapons were imported and released (especially the Hammer).
            The 338 caliber is specific, and the military will have few users for it. Perhaps there will be even more civilian users if the quality is normal.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 19 March 2018 14: 14
              0
              You are right, not an expert, and you don’t even raise a living hand ... we can’t be so sorry for mosquitoes.
              The article spoke for sniper ammunition? Yes, and a cartridge with great energy for what? To beat elephants, rhinoceros, or still to pierce bulletproof vests with helmets?
            2. RaptorF22
              RaptorF22 19 March 2018 14: 27
              0
              Because of the tightening of nuts and even greater tightening, the share of the civilian rifle market drops as a result, even if few people want to buy carbines, it means that the cartridges will most likely go to the army or for export, that is, to develop the domestic arms market in Russia, this is a drop in the ocean in mostly the most popular calibers, primarily because of their price, these are 7.62x39 223rem and 5.45x39 they are available
  3. Vard
    Vard 19 March 2018 12: 34
    0
    It’s interesting ... but at what range can these bullets be fired ...
    1. Dreamboat
      Dreamboat 19 March 2018 13: 34
      0
      338 is very far away. Accurate shooting with such a caliber "per kilometer" (subject to the quality of the barrel and cartridge) is the norm. There are "records" of hitting targets with snipers at distances of 2.5 - 3 km, but these are more likely to be "accidental" hits in the framework of harassing fire or a shot in extremely ideal conditions ...
      To understand: this is 2 or more times farther than the 7.62x54R from SVD!
      1. lance
        lance 19 March 2018 13: 39
        0
        Records are confirmed by 2 shots in the world, three in the USSR. or is it outdated now?
        1. Dreamboat
          Dreamboat 19 March 2018 14: 07
          0
          Quote: Lance
          Records are confirmed by 2 shots in the world, three in the USSR. or is it outdated now?

          I'm talking about military records, reports of snipers about hitting a target. They are confirmed differently.
          In recent years, such records have come from the mountains of Afghanistan, there are good conditions for long-range shooting.
          Sports records (the same Lobaev’s record), it’s more like throwing a bullet along a ballistic trajectory ...
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  5. Ravik
    Ravik 19 March 2018 12: 35
    +1
    And the cartridges to call "trifle"
  6. tochila
    tochila 19 March 2018 12: 35
    +1
    Here it is import substitution !!!
  7. Genry
    Genry 19 March 2018 12: 35
    +6
    Great!
    We would also launch .300 WinMag (7,62x67), with a high initial speed (good flatness) and a smaller drop in bullet energy in range. For hunters and snipers ...
    1. figwam
      figwam 19 March 2018 13: 05
      +2
      Quote: Genry
      Great!
      Still would run .300 WinMag (7,62x67)

      By the way, all three ...
    2. Dreamboat
      Dreamboat 19 March 2018 13: 25
      0
      Quote: Genry
      Great!
      We would also launch .300 WinMag (7,62x67), with a high initial speed (good flatness) and a smaller drop in bullet energy in range. For hunters and snipers ...

      338 LM is more suitable for military purposes. He has more effective range and bullet energy. Due to the heavier bullet, the wind has less impact on it ...
      Therefore, in military sniper shooting, 338 LM, or even heavier caliber 408 CT, is preferred.
      1. Genry
        Genry 19 March 2018 13: 49
        0
        Quote: Dreamboat
        338 LM is more suitable for military purposes. He has more effective range and bullet energy. Due to the heavier bullet, the wind has less impact on it ...

        You do not understand why .338LM appeared. This is due to pressure inside the barrel. With the same weight of the bullet, with a larger caliber, the pressure will be lower. Easier to produce trunks with a large shot.
        And upon the fact of the bullet’s flight, the ratio of length to caliber and weight determines the aerodynamic quality, which is much worse for the .338 LM than the .300 WM. At a distance of 300m, the bullet of the latter, in terms of residual energy, begins to burst forward.
  8. Fox
    Fox 19 March 2018 12: 37
    +5
    the main thing is that the quality would not be like that of Barnaul.
  9. Pax tecum
    Pax tecum 19 March 2018 12: 38
    +4
    This is almost a billion rubles investment

    And who are these investors? It would be possible in family and citizenship ...
    They are very in demand both in our country and in the world.

    Well yes. Especially in NATO countries. 7,62x51.
    To sell to a potential enemy (yes, and an outright enemy) their military products, this fits into the framework of the modern and sovereign economy of the Russian state and its capitalist model ...

    PS We have this caliber 308.Win (7,62x51), in addition to just announced for sniper weapons (did you see any new models used?), Only on civilians, like Saiga, for the civilian population, and then, in the export version, usually more.
    And, the cost of our ammunition and foreign has a difference of orders and times.
    Export solution, however. At least for the first time. Business!
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 19 March 2018 12: 44
      +3
      Interestingly, they will produce under a license? what
    2. Genry
      Genry 19 March 2018 12: 45
      +2
      Quote: Pax tecum
      To sell to a potential enemy (yes, and an outright enemy) their military products, this fits into the framework of the modern and sovereign economy of the Russian state and its capitalist model ...

      And buy, in your opinion, from the enemies for your weapon is kosher?
      1. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 19 March 2018 12: 48
        +5
        And buy, in your opinion, from the enemies for your weapon is kosher?

        At the expense of ammunition in our country there have never been and never are.
        Imported ammunition only in hunting stores, for an amateur, in a "trident".
        The difference between our "native" 7,62x54 and 308.Win in the length of the sleeve and the bulk of the powder, mainly. The caliber is one. What did not like?
        It just opened a new business niche, and you should not justify it with the needs of the army. His army.
        1. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 19 March 2018 13: 02
          +2
          Well, and this one - 338Lapua Mag (8,6 × 70mm) - also for the needs of the army and special services? Why do we need clones overseas? We have our own, excellent analogue.
          Imported (or now according to "their" standards and equipment) - rubles 300 shot costs from this caliber, approximately. Our SC-152 (from CB-98) is several times cheaper with the same quality.

          Getting ready to buy imported rifles, or what?
          1. Genry
            Genry 19 March 2018 13: 20
            0
            Quote: Pax tecum
            Our SC-152 (from SV-98) is several times cheaper with the same quality.

            SV-98 has options for 7,62x54R, 7,62x51, and 8,6x70LM.
            1. Pax tecum
              Pax tecum 19 March 2018 13: 42
              0
              We are talking, nevertheless, about a specific caliber, and not about nomenclature.
              1. Genry
                Genry 19 March 2018 13: 53
                0
                Quote: Pax tecum
                We are talking, nevertheless, about a specific caliber, and not about nomenclature.

                What about? According to the article, there are two of them and both in SV-98.
          2. Korax71
            Korax71 19 March 2018 13: 29
            -1
            Well, for a number of units have long been purchased
          3. Dreamboat
            Dreamboat 19 March 2018 13: 47
            0
            Quote: Pax tecum
            Well, and this one - 338Lapua Mag (8,6 × 70mm) - also for the needs of the army and special services? Why do we need clones overseas? We have our own, excellent analogue.
            Imported (or now according to "their" standards and equipment) - rubles 300 shot costs from this caliber, approximately. Our SC-152 (from CB-98) is several times cheaper with the same quality.

            Getting ready to buy imported rifles, or what?

            1. We do not have an analogue of 338 LM. The SV-98 was made to fit this caliber, but it used either foreign cartridges or assembled artificially in small batches ... and this is expensive and not reliable.
            2. Why do we need high-precision long-range rifles under a modern cartridge? Look, I answered a person about a range about ....
            1. Pax tecum
              Pax tecum 19 March 2018 13: 52
              +1

              And how do you like this nomenclature?
              Most likely, they have no analogues.
              1. Genry
                Genry 19 March 2018 14: 26
                +2
                Quote: Pax tecum
                And how do you like this nomenclature?

                You confuse cause and effect. SC-152 is simply copied from an import analog, or rather it was assembled from purchased components.
        2. Genry
          Genry 19 March 2018 13: 02
          +3
          Quote: Pax tecum
          The difference between our "native" 7,62x54 and 308.Win in the length of the liner and the bulk of the powder, mainly. What did not like?

          If you do not see the difference, this does not mean that it does not exist.
          The 7,62x54R is designed for tape feeding and is poorly suited for store charging. And imported 7,62x51 - vice versa (this cartridge is needed for Marxman rifles such as SVD).
          The 8,6x69 LapMag cartridge is needed for sniper weapons. True, IMHO, it is better to use 7,62x67 WinMag, which at ranges over 300m bypasses the first.
          1. Pax tecum
            Pax tecum 19 March 2018 13: 20
            0
            Are you talking about the shape of the cartridge or, nevertheless, about the improved ballistic characteristics of bullets? Why did our analogues suddenly become bad for you?
            1. Genry
              Genry 19 March 2018 13: 28
              0
              Quote: Pax tecum
              Are you talking about the shape of the cartridge or, nevertheless, about the improved ballistic characteristics of bullets? Why did our analogues suddenly become bad for you?

              For magazine assault rifles (or light machine guns), with the possibility of breaking through bulletproof vests, the 7,62x54R cartridge with a rim is not suitable.
              And .338LM for sniper weapons and our analogues.
              1. Pax tecum
                Pax tecum 19 March 2018 13: 47
                0
                And .338LM for sniper weapons and our analogues.

                Oh how! And, the SC-152 cartridge, which is the analog of 338LM?
                1. Genry
                  Genry 19 March 2018 14: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: Pax tecum
                  Oh how! And, the SC-152 cartridge, which is the analog of 338LM?

                  And where is it produced? The article is his first production line. Previously, it was only said about the assembly of purchased components.
          2. Simargl
            Simargl 19 March 2018 13: 39
            +1
            Quote: Genry
            7,62x54R designed for tape feed
            Yeah, and the tape should be cloth. If you look at the pitch of the tape - just tin: moves automation, %% of unnecessary iron in the tape ...
            1. Genry
              Genry 19 March 2018 13: 58
              0
              Quote: Simargl
              Quote: Genry
              7,62x54R designed for tape feed
              Yeah, and the tape should be cloth. If you look at the pitch of the tape - just tin: moves automation, %% of unnecessary iron in the tape ...

              You do not like tape feed? Or how are you going to equip modules with a continuous supply of about 2000 rounds?
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 19 March 2018 14: 19
                +1
                Quote: Genry
                You do not like tape feed?
                Where did I write about this?
                I wrote about the feed pitch and the overspending of metal in the tape, which flows from the flange on the sleeve, which, in turn, is convenient for cloth tape.
                Yes, the tape ZU-23 has less step!
                Look at the bourgeois tapes.
                1. Genry
                  Genry 19 March 2018 14: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Simargl
                  I wrote about the feed pitch and the overspending of metal in the tape, which flows from the flange on the sleeve, which, in turn, is convenient for cloth tape.

                  The pitch of the tape depends on the weapon and is not connected with the cartridge.
                  There is no overspending in the metal tape due to the cartridge or its flange. A flange with a hem is convenient for machine guns and not a tape. It allows you to significantly simplify the pulling mechanism, which is not limited by the accuracy of a few tenths of a millimeter (cartridges with a groove) and can compensate for the uneven arrangement of cartridges in the tape by a couple of millimeters.
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 19 March 2018 15: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: Genry
                    The pitch of the tape depends on the weapon and is not connected with the cartridge.
                    Very controversial, because try to do a tape with a minimum step for a minimum power consumption of automation. At the same time, the taper of 7,65x54R and its flange make it necessary to increase the distance between the sleeves.
                    Quote: Genry
                    A flange with a hem is convenient for machine guns and not a tape.
                    More precisely - to designers and manufacturers.
                    Quote: Genry
                    It allows you to significantly simplify the pulling mechanism, which is not limited by the accuracy of a few tenths of a millimeter (cartridges with a groove) and can compensate for the uneven arrangement of cartridges in the tape by a couple of millimeters.
                    A little more complicated mechanism and that’s it! Something is not heard about the problems of other machines! What is ours, what is foreign.
                    But everything else complicates the flange.
                    1. Genry
                      Genry 19 March 2018 15: 44
                      0
                      Quote: Simargl
                      try to do a tape with a minimum step for a minimum power consumption of automation. At the same time, the taper of 7,65x54R and its flange make it necessary to increase the distance between the sleeves.

                      For minimum energy consumption, it is necessary that the mass of the tape, with a length before laying, is minimal. Otherwise, you need to drag (pull out!) Excess weight. Your machine gun may begin to twitch left and right.
                      And tapering has nothing to do with it. There should be a distance between the sleeves for a normal bend (taking into account the hooks of the tape), otherwise you will get a stick that you will not put into a small box.
                      Quote: Simargl
                      More precisely - to designers and manufacturers.

                      They make it more convenient for everyone, especially the fighters who use it. Fewer delays and problems in battle.
                      Quote: Simargl
                      A little more complicated mechanism and that’s it! Something is not heard about the problems of other machines! What is ours, what is foreign.

                      A little more? Yes, the reliability of both the mechanism and its operation immediately falls. Just our machine guns, it is with this cartridge that they are considered reliable. The rest is wedged for various reasons. Americans just do that push the supply of their cartridges.
                      Quote: Simargl
                      But everything else complicates the flange.

                      It simplifies and reduces the cost of production of the cartridge itself (no milling operations and less accuracy requirements) and its use in tapes.
                      And in weapons with store feed, you need to use a different cartridge.
                      1. Simargl
                        Simargl 19 March 2018 16: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: Genry
                        it is necessary that the mass of the tape, with a length before laying, is minimal. Otherwise, you need to drag (pull out!) Excess weight.
                        Add a ton of automation parts. A longer stroke means more energy.
                        Quote: Genry
                        There should be a distance between the sleeves for a normal bend (taking into account the hooks of the tape), otherwise you will get a stick that you will not put into a small box.
                        If the axis is a cartridge, then there is no problem.
                        But 2 mm of the flange gives these extra 2 mm. or 20 cm per 100 rounds ... or 50 cm to 250 ...
                        Quote: Genry
                        Fewer delays and problems in battle.
                        Less delays - with a competent mechanism and good care.
                        Quote: Genry
                        The rest is wedged for various reasons.
                        Come on! Problems with extraction?
                        Quote: Genry
                        Yes, the reliability of both the mechanism and its operation immediately falls.
                        No! Reliability depends on the literacy of the construction of the mechanism.
                        Quote: Genry
                        It simplifies and reduces the cost of production of the cartridge itself (no milling operations and less accuracy requirements) and its use in tapes.
                        Well, the cartridge itself - okay, but in the tape, how ?!
                        Quote: Genry
                        And in weapons with store feed, you need to use a different cartridge.
                        Yeah! Let's produce a range of ammunition!
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    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 19 March 2018 13: 02
      +3
      Quote: Pax tecum
      Well yes. Especially in NATO countries. 7,62x51.

      And if you read the article carefully?
      The new equipment will produce caliber cartridges .338 lapamagnum and .308 caliber cartridge. These are high-precision sniper cartridges that are in service in the Russian Federation. They are very in demand both in our country and in the world.

      We are talking about sniper cartridges of the Western standard, and not about 7,62x39 or 7,62x54R. smile
      Quote: Pax tecum
      To sell to a potential enemy (yes, and an outright enemy) their military products, this fits into the framework of the modern and sovereign economy of the Russian state and its capitalist model ...

      You might think we are the only supplier of these cartridges. smile
      By the way, if that were so, then that would be wonderful. There, Rosatom has already shown how the reliance on a single supplier with cheap products (HEU-LEU and its blow to the US atomic industry) ends.
      1. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 19 March 2018 13: 22
        +2
        You might think we are the only supplier of these cartridges

        Of course not! But, with our pricing policy, we will be out of competition.
        After all, the country needs currency so much, and investors need extra profit!

        Over the hill, especially in the USA, our cartridges are considered simply "cheap" in comparison with their products, with the same quality.
        I will not be surprised if we find ammunition made in the Russian Federation from enemies. With improved ballistics and not very expensive ...
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 20 March 2018 09: 58
          +1
          Quote: Pax tecum
          Of course not! But, with our pricing policy, we will be out of competition.
          After all, the country needs currency so much, and investors need extra profit!

          I remind you once again - the HEU-LEU agreement. Initially also branded as treacherous. But in fact - it has knocked out the enrichment link of the US atomic industry with its cheap uranium.
          Being a monopolist abroad is not always a bad thing. smile
    4. lance
      lance 19 March 2018 13: 41
      0
      and a new machine gun?
    5. RaptorF22
      RaptorF22 19 March 2018 14: 30
      0
      Better 22 lr allowed in green
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 19 March 2018 12: 45
    +2
    Given that the new snipers - such calibers. It’s stupid to make weapons and not make bullets.
  11. izya top
    izya top 19 March 2018 13: 04
    +1
    where am I doing something wrong ?! What tricks, moderators?
  12. vnord
    vnord 19 March 2018 13: 06
    0
    Quote: Pax tecum
    The difference between our "native" 7,62x54 and 308.Win in the length of the liner and the bulk of the powder, mainly. Caliber od

    Generally 308.WIN, you need to compare with our 7,62x39 more.
    1. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 19 March 2018 13: 14
      +3
      In general, 308.WIN, you need to compare with our 7,62x39 more

      Our "native" 7,62x39 is generally intermediate. Not correct for Win.308.
    2. Genry
      Genry 19 March 2018 13: 15
      +3
      Quote: vnord
      Generally 308.WIN, you need to compare with our 7,62x39 more.

      You mixed rifle and assault rifle cartridges. Their energy is twofold.
    3. Dreamboat
      Dreamboat 19 March 2018 13: 41
      0
      Apparently you don’t understand anything if you give such comparisons ...
      Why compare the intermediate (automatic) cartridge with a full-sized rifle? Moreover, the 7.62x39 is an obsolete cartridge, and the power and accuracy of the 308 win cartridge is higher than even the 7.62x54R ...
      1. Genry
        Genry 19 March 2018 14: 10
        0
        Quote: Dreamboat
        Moreover, the 7.62x39 obsolete cartridge ...

        Well here you exaggerate. 7,62x39 is not outdated and holds on to its positions, not inferior to the newfangled 6,5x39 Grendel. It has the potential to increase energy, but it is necessary to change the standard (and the mechanics of previously released weapons). And there is an option for silent shooting with a small weight of gunpowder and a heavy bullet.
        Quote: Dreamboat
        ... and the power and accuracy of the 308 win cartridge is even higher than that of the 7.62x54R ...

        Not higher. They differ in the sleeve, but the ballistics is the same.
  13. Alexander War
    Alexander War 19 March 2018 13: 14
    +4
    The right plant!
  14. Azazelo
    Azazelo 19 March 2018 13: 16
    0
    Interestingly, Lobaev is involved here ???
    1. Genry
      Genry 19 March 2018 13: 30
      0
      Quote: Azazelo
      Interestingly, Lobaev is involved here ???

      If there was, then I would launch another cartridge. They themselves compress the shells.
  15. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 19 March 2018 13: 44
    +4
    My opinion is this ... Such a plant should have been planted yesterday. Weapons in the hands of ordinary citizens in 308 are huge. You can say this is a favorite rifled cartridge. In case of war, all these weapons will be partisan. And the cartridges were from behind the hill, even Barnaul simply assembled them from foreign components. Now, if we cut off the supply of components, we ourselves can supply our partisans. Yes, and captured weapons can be used more safely. It would not hurt Barnaul to master the full production of these cartridges from scratch.
    For those who are not in the hunting-sporting and weapons-related topic, I will tell you which weapons are available to a simple law-abiding citizen of the Russian Federation ... "Vepr", "Tiger", "Saiga", "Elk", "MR-18MN", "VPO", "ORSIS ".... each brand has dozens of modifications, as well as a huge number of foreign carbines. It is announced in the near future and new developments (Maral, Izyubr, etc.) All these barrels devour a huge number of rounds and it’s strange not to have one factory.
    I hope that the quality will be excellent, moreover, at the Barnaul price.
    1. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 19 March 2018 14: 00
      +1
      I hope that the quality will be excellent at the Barnaul price

      So it’s designed for that! The perfect business plan. But, .. primarily abroad, for the currency. And the troops are "very expensive" through government orders.
      And, to the citizens of the Russian Federation, well, what remains. And lower quality ...
      Or do you really think that combat samples will go to hunting stores?
      С core and improved ballistics?
      1. figwam
        figwam 19 March 2018 14: 38
        +1
        Quote: Pax tecum
        Or do you really think that combat samples will go to hunting stores?
        With a core and improved ballistics?

        I think it will be as always a civilized version of the cartridge.
      2. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 19 March 2018 15: 39
        +2
        Quote: Pax tecum
        So it’s designed for that! The perfect business plan. But, .. primarily abroad, for the currency. And the troops are "very expensive" through government orders.

        You are very pessimistic.
        Quote: Pax tecum
        And, to the citizens of the Russian Federation, well, what remains. And lower quality ...

        Citizens of Russia should be a priority, because the foreign market has long been divided and it’s not easy to get into it. In addition, sanctions ...
        Quote: Pax tecum
        Or do you really think that combat samples will go to hunting stores?
        With core

        No, I don’t think so. Legislation does not allow. Laws can always change ...
        Quote: Pax tecum
        improved ballistics?

        We have a lot of athletes and shooting enthusiasts (including myself). Many will want to buy a high-quality cartridge at a reasonable price. And if the Kalashnikov’s proposals voiced the other day are passed and they allow re-cutting of thread cutting, then the cartridge market will also be accelerated in speed. So , as the domestic patron does not have to go through all customs costs, then the price should be much cheaper. Otherwise, the huckster must be hung with garlands, so as not to choke on greed ...
      3. Star
        Star 22 March 2018 09: 14
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        It will be substandard, because it will be necessary to put it somewhere (naturally, that without a core to the store).
        They will definitely not pay for disposal.
  16. nik-karata
    nik-karata 19 March 2018 14: 13
    +3
    This was very well said by Vladimir Putin when he called Russia the country of opportunities, and the inhabitants of Russia - its most important wealth

    Speaks well !!! Speaks and speaks !!! I would have done just as well! Probably the US was in the way. Obama, now Red.
    But there is no work in the hinterland, there is no future, there is nothing (censorship). Associates of GDP, please do not worry. You are not aware of the REAL state of affairs. You work in four jobs, and earn a decent salary, all the other parasites and tramps who do not want to improve their own lives! A passing trunk to you in the right place. I do everything to improve the life of my family !!!
    1. Genry
      Genry 19 March 2018 15: 03
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      Quote: nik-karata
      Speaks and speaks !!! I would have done just as well! Probably the US was in the way. Obama, now Red.

      They interfere, squeal, do dirty tricks wherever possible .... And you are so ... isolated, you don’t see and don’t hear anything.
      Smile wider, maybe they will take you for their own, but not in Russia.
      Quote: nik-karata
      I do everything to improve the life of my family !!!

      And here no one bothers you. What are such offenses? You can where it is deeper or where it is warmer.
  17. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 19 March 2018 14: 29
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    I don’t know anything about the business qualities of the local governor, I have never been to the Ulyanovsk region, and I don’t have any friends from there. But, when you watch reports with his participation, one gets the feeling that the person is very peculiar and even a little eccentric.)) Although in moderate doses, such a flavor is probably quite harmless.
  18. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 19 March 2018 16: 28
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    As a result, a unique technology for manufacturing new types of products was created.


    The phrase strained - that is, they didn’t buy a license and “city” the technology in accordance with their own ideas ...
    And this is for a sniper cartridge.
  19. Old26
    Old26 19 March 2018 18: 05
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    Quote: 1536
    So, you look, and we’ll get to the production of iPhones.
    But seriously, well done! If I’m not mistaken, then there were such projects under the Soviet regime. Cartridges are in demand, there is a shortage of them on the market, and cartridge production is advanced technologies, jobs, interesting work.

    history mentions that the problem arose in the late 70s, when one of the American presidents presented Leonid Ilyich with Winchester. I just don’t remember what caliber. Either 300WM (Winchester Magnum), or 308W. From that time, the production of the cartridge began in small batches, and the barrels were under such a cartridge

    Quote: rocket757
    The article spoke for sniper ammunition? Yes, and a cartridge with great energy for what? To beat elephants, rhinoceros, or still to pierce bulletproof vests with helmets?

    Well, for elephants and rhinos and in general for the "Big African Five" this caliber is small. it needs a bigger caliber, something like 416, 470, 505 or 577 caliber. And 338 LM is mainly for sniper shooting at ranges of 1200-1500 meters. 300 - closer, 900-1200

    Quote: Dreamboat
    There are "records" of hitting targets with snipers at distances of 2.5 - 3 km, but these are more likely to be "accidental" hits in the framework of harassing fire or a shot in extremely ideal conditions ...

    Yes. And mostly from weapons or 408, or 50 caliber. Although 338 hit the target at a distance of more than 2 km

    Quote: Pax tecum
    Well yes. Especially in NATO countries. 7,62x51.

    But nothing that in myrrh there are a bunch of countries that are not members of NATO, but have weapons of this caliber. Or let the NATO people sell them. will we proudly refuse?
  20. Rarog
    Rarog 20 March 2018 00: 01
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    It all sounds great, of course, but somehow these “wonderful” news hides behind these solemn reports that workers are expected to be cut at the same cartridge factory, although there is other, really encouraging information about possible major contracts that will save people from dismissal. People stood still. By the way, at another large plant in the Ulyanovsk Region - Aviastar SP from the UAC, too, according to some sources, serious reductions are expected. Everything as expected among employees ... "fun" will begin immediately after the election. Let's hope that the information is not confirmed.
  21. serge siberian
    serge siberian 20 March 2018 18: 03
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    I myself am not a hunter or a shooter, but the “glory” has been going around the Barnaul plant for a long time. The equipment was nearly turned into scrap metal, but they were left and continue to work on it. And they say it has not changed for a very long time. But as I understand it, the cartridges them, the Barnaul, are not worth it, as they are being sold. And give dividends to the owners. Please forgive me if I don’t. hi