The alleged perpetrator of the strike on MH17 settled accounts with life in Ukraine

Site of national police of the Nikolaev area сообщает that the life of the director of one of the enterprises in the Ukrainian region, 29-year-old Vladislav Voloshin, committed suicide We are talking about a man who previously served in the Air Force of Ukraine. In 2014, the media published information that Voloshin was involved in the incident in the Malaysian Boeing. This is a plane flying to Kuala Lumpur and shot down over the Donbas.

Recall that in the testimony of another Ukrainian soldier, published in Russia, sounded the name Voloshin, who on that day piloted a military aircraft in the area of ​​the Malaysian Boeing’s route over the Donetsk region.

From the report of the Nikolaev national police about the incident with Voloshin:

Physicians and the investigative team of the Ingul police department arrived at the scene. The victim was urgently hospitalized, but died in the ambulance hospital from injuries.

According to the testimony of relatives, the deceased has recently been depressed and expressed alarming intentions.

Started criminal proceedings for hours. 1 Art. 115 MC "Intentional Homicide", as required by the procedure in such cases. The investigation is underway.

It is known that recently Voloshin, who had previously retired from military service, worked at the Nikolaevsky airport.

Comments

[Vard]

About the dead either good ... Or nothing ... But ditch the passenger liner is .... But I don’t know how to say ..

[K.A.S.]

Actually, the liner was ditched by beech. Even the experiments were. There are no bouquets for sou.
And so the death is strange!

[You Vlad]

Quote: K.A.S.

Actually, the liner was ditched by beech. Even the experiments were. There are no bouquets for sou.
And so the death is strange!

But first or later, he was shot at by an airplane.

[Pingo]

Quote: You Vlad

But first or later

instead,

if all of a sudden, then at first, then no ace could beat from the cannon

[venik]

Quote: Pingo

if all of a sudden, then at first, then no ace could beat from the cannon

========
In-in! But if the Boeing was not shot down by him, but by the Buk air defense system but he was in the air at that moment, then he probably could see, hear (negotiate) or know something ("something that is not necessary" - for example, receive an order move away from the Boeing to a safe distance ...) .......
And given that around the downed Boeing some kind of incomprehensible “stirring” has recently begun, then everything looks quite Stalinist: “there is a person - there is a problem, there is no person - and there is no problem” ..... ...
This, of course, is just an assumption, but .......

[Dead duck]

Quote: venik

everything looks quite Stalinist: "there is a person - there is a problem, there is no person - and there is no problem."

did he tell you personally?! ...
scatter fake phrases ...
phrase, by the way from "Children of the Arbat" ... and not him.

[Kars]

Boeing is far from a fact. And the fact that it was he who launched a missile attack on the Lugansk Regional Council is almost 100%

[Tula gingerbread]

That's just it, it cannot be denied that Buk and aviation could work on Boeing. Voloshin did not attack the Boeing, but he was definitely in the air that day and could know a lot.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Pingo

Quote: You Vlad

But first or later

instead, if all of a sudden, no ace could

This is really instead: the probability of the Su-25 being intercepted at cruising speed and altitude is -777: this is a very, very big luck. If so, then we must applaud the navigator, who led him. Unrealistic

[Pingo]

the speed of the Su-25 at the same height is more than 50 km / h, nothing unrealistic.

[Pete mitchell]

I do not agree with you: -777 goes on cruising 0,82-, 84. -25 at these altitudes in optimal conditions it will reach 0,82, which will not be easy and will be overgrown with a bunch of restrictions. Given the capabilities of the sighting system and armament -25, such an interception is a big, very big luck and requires a lot of preparation from everyone, which in the country was not 404

[Pingo]

if you want to agree with the specifications for both aircraft, if you want, no, but it’s true.
All the same, the Su-25 is a jet military aircraft with an arrow-shaped wing, and such an altitude is optimal for its speed.

[Pete mitchell]

Dear, do you yourself have experience in operating jets with swept wings?

[Pingo]

Yes, I can distinguish even a practical ceiling from others.

[Pete mitchell]

So is there experience or not?

[Pingo]

it was written what specifically interests from "fast jet high performance; rotorcraft; jet airline .."? or want to know why such a need?
According to the radar control data of the Ministry of Defense and the Internal Affairs Directorate of the Russian Federation, the Su-25 intercepted, it is also intended for attacks on transporters.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Pingo

According to the radar control data of the Ministry of Defense and the Internal Affairs Directorate of the Russian Federation, the Su-25 intercepted, it is also intended for attacks on transporters.

Have you seen the control data? Throw a link, MO

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Pingo

"fast jet high performance; rotorcraft; jet airline .."? or want to know why these are needed?

I answered this question for myself a long time ago, for sure you also have your own opinion

[Pingo]

you will find a link about the ATC data at two MO briefings on MH17 in Google
have you never seen? especially the first one?

[Pete mitchell]

MO data?

Quote: Pingo

fast jet high performance; rotorcraft; jet airline .. "

delete unnecessary

[Pingo]

so you checkers or go?
Or do you think that military radars cannot determine the type of aircraft?

[Pete mitchell]

I’m even sure of this: what kind of location are you talking about - primary or secondary. Primary can determine the type only based on the experience of the person in front of the display. Do you have data that 404th military aircraft are capable of operating in civilian, secondary, space? Do you think civilian dispatchers see them on synthetic air picture display? Not sure

[Nebuchadnezzar]

The type of aircraft according to Radar Signature has long been automatically determined by military radars, it is faked with great difficulty.
A secondary civilian radar will see a military target, but usually without determining its height (except for modern ones). In Dnepropetrovsk on the eve was the installation of new equipment.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Nebuchadnezzar

The type of aircraft according to Radar Signature has long been determined by military radars

Maybe you're right, depending on when it came "long ago". I don’t agree with you about the secondary location, there should be equipment on the plane: not everyone installs it

[Nebuchadnezzar]

A secondary radar will take a bearing on an airplane without such equipment anyway, it is in active mode.

[Baloo]

Quote: K.A.S.

Actually, the liner was ditched by beech. Even the experiments were. There are no bouquets for sou.
And so the death is strange!

On in, there was a transcript of the talks of Kalomoy’s helpers: ... by air ... ---- ..... it didn’t work from the ground ... Then there was a throw from Build through the association of Russian engineers, incl. and on tv. However, the VO very quickly dealt with fake airplanes - the dates allegedly did not coincide in the image from space and some other details. It remains to wait, while this poker is still bluffing, and the US and Russia have hands on their hands, well, maybe someone else has a satellite there

[Pingo]

stuffing went with transcripts of negotiations

Quote: Balu

helpers kalomoya

[Baloo]

Quote: Pingo

stuffing went with transcripts of negotiations

Quote: Balu

helpers kalomoya

Why stuffing, the publication was from a cybercircut. The fact that the Americans do not publish satellite images already indicates the organizers of the tragedy. There was a publication of negotiations between dispatchers. The dispatcher of Dnepropetrovsk took away from the usual route and from the echelon usual for this flight to a lower one.

[Pingo]

because it would be even easier to get off the ground, the scale and type of aircraft did not match, not the date.

[Baloo]

Quote: Pingo

because it would be even easier to get off the ground, the scale and type of aircraft did not match, not the date.

No one saw the launch of a rocket from the ground, but already in the first hours, witnesses spoke of large and small aircraft.

[Pingo]

Quote: Balu

On in, there was a transcript of the talks of Kalomoy’s helpers: ... by air ... ---- ..... it didn’t work from the ground ... Then there was a throw from Build through the association of Russian engineers, incl. and on tv. However, VO very quickly dealt with fake airplanes

Well, why did you write it then?

[Letun]

Quote: K.A.S.

Actually, the liner was ditched by beech. Even the experiments were. There are no bouquets for sou.
And so the death is strange!

Well what are you, there is immediately an opinion that the liner, at counter-intersecting courses (total speed of about 1500 km / h), shot in the pilot’s eye (well, so that he didn’t have time to warn by radio) shot down the Ukrainian ace. And from the “Buk” then they finished off, having visited, on the coloring of the fuselage. Well, because she was like Putin.

[mvg]

You, sorry, rave ... Once again read yourself the comment.

[Baloo]

Quote: mvg

You, sorry, rave ... Once again read yourself the comment.

He is joking. Be that as it may, the trump cards are in the USA and Russia. Why would Voloshin, a man in his prime, shoot in a promising position, and even at home ?!

[Karislav]

Finished from beech ??? )) children garden .. why ???

[Sands Careers General]

Strange, fell on a knife 17 times, I’m not lying, citizen chief)))

[You Vlad]

Quote: Vard

About the dead either good ... Or nothing ... But ditch the passenger liner is .... But I don’t know how to say ..

Wrong look There is no body, no business, oh no witness, no business! He was an important witness, someone gave an order, it’s just that military planes don’t shoot at civilian planes.

[svp67]

Quote: You Vlad

No body, no business, oh no witness, no business!

Unfortunately, there is a matter and there are plenty of bodies in it.

Quote: You Vlad

Witness he was important

Yeah ... But there are still guidance officers, unit commander ... There are still many who are.

[You Vlad]

Quote: svp67

Yeah ... But there are still guidance officers, unit commander ... There are still many who are.

But how many? In Ukraine, now often accounts with life are reduced, and people disappear ..
What did they do to you Ukraine, you are our pain.

[svp67]

Quote: You Vlad

What did they do to you Ukraine, you are our pain.

Honestly, I’m worried about this differently, but what did WE DO that she would not become like that?

Quote: You Vlad

In Ukraine, now often accounts for life are reduced, and people disappear ..

Can we change it now?

[Topotun]

It was necessary to change 20 years ago, now there is already a generation of Maidan rampage ...

[vlad66]

Quote: You Vlad

In Ukraine, now often accounts for life are reduced, and people disappear ..

The dispatcher who drove the Boeing the next day disappeared with her husband.

Quote: svp67

Can we change it now?

But do we need it? We wanted independence and Svidomo, even if they slurp a full spoon, but not at the expense of us and our resources, I do not mean LDNR.

[svp67]

Quote: vlad66

And we need it

I don’t know already.

Quote: vlad66

but not at the expense of us and our resources

I agree completely. It is already clearly visible that for that mess they are trying to make us pay ....

Quote: vlad66

LDNR does not mean.

Honestly, I would not mind if their territory, SUDDENLY, by sheer chance, which in life never happens, expanded to the entire Donetsk, Zaporizhzhya, Nikolaev, Kherson, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Lugansk, Kirovograd and Kharkov regions ...

[Iline]

Dealing with conscience is dangerous to health.

[kapitan92]

Quote: svp67

But there are still guidance officers, unit commander ... There are still many who are.

There is still !!!

[Baloo]

Quote: You Vlad

I gave an order; just like that, military planes do not shoot at civilian planes.

The dispatcher quit in the morning and disappeared with her husband. If the former Major Voloshin was killed, then there will be corpses, for example, the flight director of that shift and someone else from the staff.

[svp67]

Quote: Balu

for example, the flight manager of that shift and someone else from the staff

Do they still live? Or have you already added to the list of “anti-terrorist operation heroes”?

[Alex-a832]

Quote: Balu

The dispatcher quit in the morning and disappeared with her husband. If the former Major Voloshin was killed, then there will be corpses, for example, the flight director of that shift and someone else from the staff.

Relatives of Voloshin, according to the information provided, spoke of his depressed state. There is a high probability that he was drawn to publicly repent, but this was not included in the plans of the ukrovermaht. The rest are alive, depending on the degree of awareness and desire to pour out the soul.

[BLOND]

Quote: Balu

Quote: You Vlad

I gave an order; just like that, military planes do not shoot at civilian planes.

The dispatcher quit in the morning and disappeared with her husband. If the former Major Voloshin was killed, then there will be corpses, for example, the flight director of that shift and someone else from the staff.

... Another tree from the Maidan was cut ...

[Karislav]

Diamond antey is already proof- BUK ... what nafig witness ?? !!!

[reibert]

Or say the truth

[g1v2]

Personally, my IMHO - they framed. For several days, before the Boeing Ukrsmi, they dispersed the topic that Russian reconnaissance planes fly over Donbass as at home. And the highest ranks of the Ukrainian air vow promised to bring down our scouts. The Tu214r reconnaissance aircraft is essentially an outwardly passenger plane only stuffed with equipment. They could think that they were knocking down a Russian intelligence officer and waiting for medals and cookies. And they Dnepropetrovsk dispatchers launched a civilian board there. The clerks obviously did not know this. So two loneliness met. Who shot down - a plane or a beech can only show a real investigation. And it does not need FIG in Western governments. Otherwise, it will be necessary to declare that the sanctions were imposed on false charges. That will not turn out anything good in the elections.

[askort154]

g1v2 .....Personally, my IMHO - they framed ......

Your option is quite viable. Voloshin’s expression heard by the aircraft technician “it turned out to be wrong” fits quite naturally into this option.

[Baloo]

Quote: g1v2

The clerks obviously did not know this.

I'm not an expert, but what about transponders? Military dispatchers. as I imagine, all Pepilians control, including civilians. This is evidenced by the comment of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation according to the data of the Rostov air defense center, there are also interceptions of the dispatcher-board conversation.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Vard

But ditch this passenger liner.

Well, you are like the British .... well, enough unfounded accusations are enough .... there is no evidence - there is no label !!!!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Vard

About the dead either good ... Or nothing ... But ditch the passenger liner is .... But I don’t know how to say ..

This pretzel, in addition to being involved in the death of Boeing, carried out 33 sorties to strike on the territory of the LPR. He simply feels behind him the shadows of the dead and hears the distant steps of those who come for him and call to account because already the most ardent advocates of Russia's accusation of a plane crash with passengers are trying to move away from this topic and begin to talk about Russia not being involved in the absence of "convincing" evidence ... It’s clear to everyone that it’s good day that Russia has absolutely other possibilities and the version with pulling the Buk through half the country are insignificant ...

[Siberian]

Vard: I don’t know how to say ..
I will prompt. “What a pleasant nuisance” (Aibolit, 66)

[ioan-e]

About the dead either good ... Or nothing ...

Literally, this ancient Greek phrase sounds like this - About the dead either good or nothing but the truth!

[starogil]

About the dead or good, or nothing but the truth .....
.... it is unlikely that this, in the past, military pilot was related to a plane crash,
such witnesses do not live for so long.

[Vend]

Quote: Vard

About the dead either good ... Or nothing ... But ditch the passenger liner is .... But I don’t know how to say ..

Such an act always puts in skirmishers, a matter of time, when a person will be removed.

[Pingo]

Yes, of course, I did not live to see the court, but what about?

[just exp]

helped, they notice traces.

[Pingo]

so that Buk does not interfere.

probably never even called to the Dutch prosecutor’s office

[LeonidL]

Ends in the water? Are the dead not talking? And why is it so young and successful, personally awarded by Petyunchik, Poproshenko from the Air Force escaped and let go of the bullet in the forehead?

[tracer]

And he, like Sashko Bily, shot himself in the head 5 times. Settled scores with life. Byad ....

[novel66]

nothing surprising - the brain is small, only the fifth bullet hit

[oldav]

Authorities liquidated the one who committed the massacre. It's like in the 90s they eliminated killers so they did not tell the truth.

[milling machine]

But what about the "diamond Antei" with their evidence that it was a "Buk". We should have decided on the versions already.

[Baloo]

Quote: frezer

But what about the "diamond Antei" with their evidence that it was a "Buk". We should have decided on the versions already.

They proved that this is not a Russian beech, and if they fired with a beech, it wasn’t from the side of the militia.

[Karislav]

but how they wore off about Voloshin !! !! ?? what he shot down .... and then shut up about the plane .. diamond antei proved everything!

[kenig1]

Read above.

[Baloo]

Quote: kenig1

Read above.

that it was not a beech that was in service with the Russian army, but an old beech that was in service with Ukraine.

[Pingo]

on the assumption that it was just Buk, by the way, there are enough types of air defense systems without it

[loginovich]

Quote: Pingo

on the assumption that it was just Buk, by the way, there are enough types of air defense systems without it

On the eve of the Russian spring showed a beech of militias, you can look at Sharya, and they wrote about him at VO, and the next day they shot him down. If the militias had c-200 they would have shot them down.

[Pingo]

how did they show or how did he go?

[Baloo]

Quote: loginovich

Quote: Pingo

on the assumption that it was just Buk, by the way, there are enough types of air defense systems without it

On the eve of the Russian spring showed a beech of militias, you can look at Sharya, and they wrote about him at VO, and the next day they shot him down. If the militias had c-200 they would have shot them down.

The militia had a beech inoperative. It is impossible to restore it outside the factory. This is a monument to beech, not an apparatus.

[novel66]

damaging elements - a thing quite recognizable

[Pingo]

and easy toss,
and the holes from the fragmentation shells of the 30mm gun cannot be confused with anything.

[Siberian]

Search the Internet for a Boeing shot down over the Donbass: was there a Buk? (I) dated 31.05.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX. There about everything - and about the BEECH, and about the fighter, and about the locator
Yes, in addition, this ukrohergy bombed Lugansk in 2014, was proud of this and recently told in an interview that he would have repeated his feat without hesitation.

[Pingo]

about the attack aircraft, google "МН17, untold story", watch from the 14th minute.

[Pingo]

To decide why, after the Lipetsk AC of the Russian Aerospace Forces, in order to self-promote, they had to drive such bullshit that they later repeated to the detriment of state interests.

[andrewkor]

Dear Fraser, this is the media, what should they determine? They threw a throw-in, and there’s even a flood. But the words of this character in the press quoted after departure that day: "This plane was at the wrong time and in the wrong place." a rag or a low moo. We have nowhere to hurry, wait, sir!

[Pingo]

nowhere to rush, the train left long ago
you just had to scroll through the couple of minutes from RT "MH17, an untold story", and then look at their faces
now while the trump cards, well-known to everyone, were warmed in the sleeve, interest in the topic has long disappeared
and you will first have to make excuses for Syria and Skripal

[svp67]

The alleged perpetrator of the strike on MH17 settled accounts with life in Ukraine

Not surprised. I am surprised that Russia has not yet been blamed ...

[NKT]

Wait, it’s not time yet, because the article is intentional murder.

[k174oun7]

Blaming Russia and Putin personally for this incident is too late. Elections - held.

[Herculesic]

They clean up and liquidate the one who could tell the truth about this crime of the Ukrainian military.

[Mountain shooter]

Dark theme. Our experts were not allowed to investigate. Themselves, obviously, are confused in the versions. Technically, they could not even determine the type of rocket. How could a plane go there? The performers? The longer the investigation drags on, the farther from the truth ...

[Pingo]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Technically, they could not even determine the type of rocket.

this is difficult, especially for the Dutch, and given the fact that the plane was shot from a cannon
in the decline before the fall could still grab from MANPADS

[novel66]

and after the fall, still fired by artillery - surely everyone did

[Pingo]

rudely done everything
the holes from the 30mm fragmentation shells of the Su-25 cannon are still confused with anything.
and he himself was far from stealth for the radar
but composting Buk’s brains through social networks and high-speed damaging elements to many individuals, it turns out so far, so what’s the difference?

[Dormidont]

More great news

[Declarant]

Conscience stuck? Or removed as an artist?

[Pingo]

if conscience sank, then repented and conveyed it to people,
although there are options that went crazy or said to be silent under threat to the life of relatives.
maybe it wasn’t him at all, two more names of pilots were spinning.

[rotmistr60]

In Ukraine, strange deaths are not the first time. And then suddenly the one who was suspected and lived quietly for several years decided to take his own life. It is doubtful that conscience was tortured.

[andrewkor]

The ends are cleared according to the example of the United Kingdom. About the dispatchers that led
this flight has not been heard for a long time, rested in the Bose !! ??

[Metallurg_2]

Or they decided to cover the tracks, and arrange them like a suicide ...

[Nix1986]

Maybe of course nonsense, but they could easily “help” with euthanasia, such witnesses and perpetrators of the crime should not be left alive.

[Double major]

Shot in the back of the head with two shots, come on? It hurts by the time ...

[Grits]

Damn, sorry. But he could have worked for another 25 years in Siberian logging or in Malaysian mines.

[tracer]

Malaysian for thieves .. There are many more trash in the government. Clean up a little bit. Sobchak out with painted shushary from a television show will send a military uniform to sew.

[gukoyan]

Now hysteria will begin again, as it is now fashionable, the Kremlin’s Hand ...

[BAI]

Now they will declare him the FSB hire agent (agent) and say that the plane was shot down by order of the Kremlin. The dispatcher of Dnepropetrovsk has long disappeared, now another inconvenient witness.

[Qwertyarion]

Guilty of the right to determine only the court. Everything else is assumptions, versions, conjectures and wild imagination.

[shuravi]

So I immediately said:

Total, what for today? There are three versions:
1. Shot down by the Buk air defense system of the militia.
2. Shot down by the Buk air defense system of the Ukrainian army.
3. Shot down by Ukrainian Su-25.
Actually, the first version can be safely combined with the second. For the simple reason that no matter who the ill-fated Buk was, official Ukraine would have blamed everything on the militia for anyone. What is she actually doing now.
I’m just repeating that if there was a Buk, that’s all, no shelling, no delay. Ukrainian and Western experts immediately at the scene of the disaster, rocket fragments found and presented. And then “gifts” to whom sanctions, to whom military assistance.
After all, it’s stupid to think that if the Ukrainian side planned such an destruction of the plane, it would undoubtedly take care of how to put up the militia much more competently, and not drag out the rubber for how much time. Moreover, qualitatively, and not the wretched impromptu that takes place. Since blaming the militia and indirectly Russia, this is an impromptu.
Without going around for a long time, looking at such strange (from the point of view of the catastrophe investigation) acts of official Ukraine and its patrons, we can say that there was force majeure. Moreover, not because a civilian plane was accidentally shot down, since it is impossible to accidentally bring down a civilian car on a theater where the opposing side does not have aviation at all. The fact is that they shot down a civilian plane intentionally, but the trouble is, not as much as I wanted.
It is clear that this crime was planned to be hung on Russia (they continue to try to hang it now) and its plan is quite obvious, because it is simple and reliable (well, then it seemed that it was safe):

- Knowing the route of a civilian plane, raise Su-25 in advance, and bring it to a predetermined height at point A. Not a difficult task as a whole.
- When a civilian plane is at point B, bring both aircraft at point C. Also not with Newton’s bin, which is for the pilot, which is for the point of guidance. Moreover, civilian dispatchers also helped, corrected the flight of the target.
- Su-25, launches the P-60 and destroys one of the engines. What is not fatal for a Boeing-777, it can fly on one engine, but not so fast and high (because no one will force the remaining engine to be increased by the increased regime), which was actually planned.
- Having lost the speed and altitude of the Boeing 777, the Su-25 is already an easy target, it remains only to wait when he tries to reach Rostov (and where else can he go?) Crosses the Ukrainian-Russian border and finish him off the cannon.

Are there any weaknesses in this regard? No, except for one, but about him after. Other objections are easily dismissed:

- First, in the event of engine damage, the passenger crew should have been amused. No objection. Only what could he care about? 99,9-9% of engine failure. Firstly, civilian pilots are already accustomed to it, any failure in the operation of equipment as a refusal to perceive, secondly, you can figure it out without leaving the cabin, what’s there, a missile hit, or fatigue destruction of a turbine. And even if we allow the incredible, the crew reported combat damage, then the border, here it is, is nearby. While sorted and crossed.
- Secondly, Russian air defense is shot down by a flown Ukrainian Su-25. So this is a gift for official Ukraine. Eyes will be modestly lowered and say, “Well, yes, he flew in.” What to do, we have ATO, and pilots have little experience. So he behaved modestly, didn’t attack any targets, and you and his Boin-777 in distress at the same time attacked him.
And the choice of the Su-25 aircraft in this case is ideal, since its presence is easy to explain. But popping into Russian territory to Ukrainian fighters would be fraught. In principle, they could insure, launch the P-60, but why? Su-25 and himself with a subsonic non-maneuverable goal to perfectly cope, why shine fighters on a crime. And surely there was a safety net, but from the same Su-25.
- Third, the wreckage, registrars are available to Russian experts. So what? Few examples of double vision of Western representatives? Remember Smolensk, still looking for malicious intent. In short, how can Russian experts not refine there, but they will not see the defeat of the engine by the P-60 rocket. As did not see and do not see the projectiles flying from the Ukrainian side. But the holes from the gun will certainly see. After all, these are the Russian Tunguska, Carapace air defense systems, Su-27, MiG-29 aircraft. In addition, the P-60 is armed with aircraft.
As for the registrars, or do not care about all international rights, pass the boxes to the "international" commission, or you falsified all the data.
- Fourth, now a weak spot. Interception at intersecting courses is good, it allows you to attack targets even surpassing the interceptor in speed, and the interceptor in the case of a catch-up intersecting course has enough time to recognize-aim-attack. Yes, the trouble is, in this case, one of the engines and the cockpit on the same line of sight are. And P-60 does not guarantee 100% hit and what happened was not taken into account, the rocket not only missed the engine, but also managed to get into the cockpit (or as an option, the warhead worked normally, but the rocket wreckage, including its engine hit the cockpit).
Such cases have already occurred more than once when missiles with infrared seekers missed the engine but still fell into an airplane / helicopter.
This, by the way, explains the reason for the silence of the crew. Explosion warhead, plus depressurization, no chance for the crew to survive.
Having lost control, the plane went into uncontrollable flight, fell apart and crashed. The fact that passenger planes can fall apart is a fact. A sufficient example, as in the 2004 year, the 300th Airbus crashed due to vigorous pedal work, which caused the tail to fall off.
The fact that they found traces on the wreckage similar to the hits of 30 mm shells is also not surprising. It is likely that the attack aircraft pilot saw that the situation was not calculated, got nervous and tried to act according to the original plan. And he fired at an already falling plane from a cannon.

Fans of "pulling an owl on the globe", that is, braiding the mythical supply of a lone self-propelled gun "Buk" from the Russian Federation, before embarking on a polemic, answer - But what is the Buk complex designed for?

[voyaka uh]

There are no versions now. There are the results of the investigation of the commission.
Although the day after the incident was absolutely clear,
that there was a tragic mistake in determining the target missile
in the course of hostilities.

[aszzz888]

voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 10:32 ↑
There are no versions now. There are the results of the investigation of the commission.
Although the day after the incident was absolutely clear,
that a tragic error occurred in determining the goal rocket men
during the war.

An immodest question - by whose "rocket launchers?"

[voyaka uh]

Of course, rocket militiamen. Who were sure that
shoot at a Ukrainian military transporter (if you knew that it was a liner, then
wouldn’t shoot). All militia commanders exchanged joyful sms
after the shot down: "Hooray, ours were hit by a transporter!". Then the first ones arrived
to the place of the tragedy. SMS has changed: "Oh, there are civilians ...".
And then silence. And 3 years of lies.
If they admitted immediately, there would be no crime. There was military action. Liner
ended up in the battle zone. Such cases have been before in other countries.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: voyaka uh

Of course, rocket militia

"So big, but you believe in fairy tales ..."

[aszzz888]

voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 10:56 ↑
Of course, rocket militia

Troll, voyaka uh. Where did the MILITARY MISSILES come from ?!

Such cases have been before in other countries.

They certainly happened to be in others - at the meriticos, at the ukronazists ...

[voyaka uh]

And Israel had. In 1973, Israeli fighters shot down a Libyan airliner over Sinai.
He went astray on a flight to Cairo in a dust storm. Israel decided that it was an Egyptian kamikaze plane (there was a war with Egypt), which was sent to attack the Dimon reactor.
The Libyan pilot confused the Israeli fighters with the Egyptian ones and did not understand the command to force landing ... And so on. people died.
Israel, too, denied guilt for 3 of the day, at the 4-th - when the testimony of the dispatchers was published - fully admitted.

"Where did the MILITARY MILITARY come from?!" ///

Read the commission report. There about it in great detail:
and where, and where, and who.

[aszzz888]

voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 11:29 AM Read the commission's report.

Whose report, sorry? The Netherlands has not yet officially completed the investigation ... If the report is at the level of the beskek of ukrokaklia, or to the CIA of the merikathos, whose ears stick out above the statue of liberty, then you no longer bother with unnecessary writing of these "facts" ...

[voyaka uh]

Commission of the Netherlands. The conclusions there are unambiguous, without options.
But the case has not yet been transferred to court.

[aszzz888]

voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 11: 53 ↑ New
Commission of the Netherlands. The conclusions there are unambiguous, without options.
But the case has not yet been transferred to court.

Why? Waiting for the go-ahead of the hosts? Or they know that any lawyer of the 1st year of law faculty will break these "conclusions".

[voyaka uh]

Not so. They did not decide against whom to file.
There are both individuals and organizations.
Individuals (Russian rocket launchers and a driver) are likely to be
justified. They did not know that the target was a civilian ship.
And from organizations it is difficult to get compensation for the families of the victims.

[aszzz888]

voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 12: 07

In a post above they indicated that the "militias" were shot down

voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 10:56 ↑
Of course, rocket militiamen.

. So before you bring nonsense, decide. And then later the Russian janitors, ZhEKovets will go ... . Adieu.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: voyaka uh

But the case has not yet been transferred to court.

What are they pulling? Vaughn - May, without any embarrassment, the hype organized the next morning. And then 3 year snot chew.
Maybe because

Quote: voyaka uh

The conclusions there are unambiguous, without options.

..not in favor of Banderostan?

[shuravi]

Quote: voyaka uh

Of course, rocket militiamen. Who were sure that
shoot at a Ukrainian military transporter (if you knew that it was a liner, then
wouldn’t shoot).

Ill, MANPADS to such a height do not reach.

[Karislav]

An antenna on a radar near a beech at 5000 m looks the same as a Boeing at 10 km, the beech is photographed and video, mp is determined, from the Russian Federation to the DPR and LPR

[Pingo]

Somewhat orders of magnitude more likely, the flying Su-25 could visually confuse the MH17 with a Russian government plane, because of the very similar unique color of this airline, or if the SBU-APU knocking it down intentionally then they will cough.
Judging by the buzz with Buk immediately in the press - intentionally, and he was a distracting blank.
Do you know there is a fuse on Buka that prohibits launching for a civilian target, for its answering machine. There is no such thing on the Su-25 cannon. And on the air defense system it is necessary to call the senior with the key and tear off the seals in order to chop off this device that interferes with the launch. And do not say that in Israel they don’t know anything about it. It’s only the European plebs about Buk going back and forth that he could catch, not knowing about the fuse which would not make a mistake with a civilian aircraft.
If SMSki are true, then what else could you expect from the locals, next to which before that the transport workers fell constantly?

[Pingo]

Quote: voyaka uh

There are no versions now. There are the results of the investigation of the commission.
Although the day after the incident was absolutely clear,
that there was a tragic mistake in determining the target missile
in the course of hostilities.

less often go to Holland, there is legalization, there could be a wrong salad.

[Pingo]

for some reason it was “clear” to them (some Swedes) in half an hour, it’s good that after and not before.

[Karislav]

full of pictures and videos as our beech came from the Kursk missile brigade. everywhere lit up in Russia and in the DNI and LC

[Pingo]

in Russia, many beeches travel back and forth.

[BigBoss]

The ends of the input are hidden, the classic scheme. They dragged on something with the pilot, usually such important witnesses do not live for so long. And nobody heard about the dispatcher from Kharkov?

[aszzz888]

BigBoss (Andrey) Today, 10:09 And no one heard about the dispatcher from Kharkov?

I didn’t hear, but it’s very likely that there’s no dispatcher, as well as the flyer Voloshin who shot down the airliner.

[voyaka uh]

But the Spaniard-dispatcher, who worked in Ukraine, who said that he saw rapprochement on the radar
Ukrainian fighter and liner, admitted that he lied. For money. He was paid for a fake something in the region of 50 thousand
Euro.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: voyaka uh

Euro.

Or maybe shekels?

[BLOND]

Quote: voyaka uh

But the Spaniard-dispatcher, who worked in Ukraine, who said that he saw rapprochement on the radar
Ukrainian fighter and liner, admitted that he lied. For money. He was paid for a fake something in the region of 50 thousand
Euro.

.... a passerby paid ... well, of course, everyone calmed down and did not look for a passerby.

[aszzz888]

voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 10:29 He was paid for a fake something around 50 thousand
Euro.

And do you believe that? If yes, evidence in the studio. And so, your post can be mistaken for a fake - somewhere I read something, somewhere I heard something ...

[voyaka uh]

Please:
"The testimony of the" Spanish controller Carlos, "who in 2014 reported the persecution
Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 by Ukrainian aircraft, changed:
he admitted that he still lied "
Details: https://regnum.ru/news/2390416.html

He was run over for some other fraud, at the same time he admitted this. The swindler.

[aszzz888]

voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 11:16 ↑

It would be better if the testimony of the ukrokaklia dispatcher, tracking devices and confirmations would be made public ... And also a little earlier than the testimony of the pilot Voloshin, who shot down a civilian plane, and as it happens with them, he took and shot himself the other day. Strange - don’t you?
And at the same time, there is evidence of space reconnaissance of the meriticos that will not come out of the unnecessary.

[svp67]

Quote: voyaka uh

But the Spaniard dispatcher, who worked in Ukraine, who said that he saw on the radar the rapprochement of the Ukrainian fighter and the liner, admitted that he lied. For money. He was paid for a fake something in the region of 50 thousand euros.

But he said this, only now, and before that everyone generally said that such a dispatcher did not exist ... And for what fake did he pay 50 for this or that?

[Pingo]

The Russian Ministry of Defense on its radars also saw how "presumably the Su-25" was approaching the Boeing, they did not refuse their words.
civilian operator saw the mark from the Su-25 only after the Boeing disintegration, they have weaker radars.

[Vladimir]

I am sorry for the family, it’s stupid to leave life at this age. Perhaps something was connected with work, no matter how he was the head of the airport.

[BLOND]

non-slaughtered children began to come, not in a dream, but instead of a dream

[aszzz888]

The alleged perpetrator of the strike on MH17 settled accounts with life in Ukraine

Ukronatsisty clean up after themselves. Who is next to them?

[botsman80]

In 29 years - the head of the airport in Nikolaev ... they asked me to be silent at first like that, but then decided that it was more reliable in another way ...

[aszzz888]

botsman80 Today, 11:53 AM New
At 29 years old - the head of the airport in Nikolaev ... they asked me to be silent at first like that, but then decided which is different safer...

That's right. But they will commit suicide, like a ukrobandyuga’s sash of a broken one - he shot himself twice in the head, somehow shot himself ...

[Karislav]

BEECH shot down !! Almaz Antey has already proven .. good already.! ......... "In 2014, the media published information that Voloshin was involved in the incident in the Malaysian Boeing. This is an airplane flying to Kuala Lumpur and shot down over the Donbass. "

[Pingo]

see above about the Su-25

[Karislav]

Initially, the corpses are not fresh, then the Voloshin fighter, then the BUK, then what ???????? Already with the version about Voloshin crap our TFR .... Beech shot down-proved !!!!!

[Pingo]

... and then whose?

[shuravi]

Quote: voyaka uh

And Israel had. In 1973, Israeli fighters shot down a Libyan airliner over Sinai.
He went astray on a flight to Cairo in a dust storm. Israel decided that it was an Egyptian kamikaze plane (there was a war with Egypt), which was sent to attack the Dimon reactor.
The Libyan pilot confused the Israeli fighters with the Egyptian ones and did not understand the command to force landing ... And so on. people died.
Israel, too, denied guilt for 3 of the day, at the 4-th - when the testimony of the dispatchers was published - fully admitted.

"Where did the MILITARY MILITARY come from?!" ///

Read the commission report. There about it in great detail:
and where, and where, and who.

As I understand it, you are an amateur strategist, and as for the organization of air defense so doubly?

[voyaka uh]

Read the report of the Netherlands Commission

[shuravi]

Quote: voyaka uh

Read the report of the Netherlands Commission

This is the one in which they once again proved that they are rightfully the drug center of Europe?

Such is the question for you: what is the main purpose of air defense?

[vasya.pupkin]

Quote: voyaka uh

Read the report of the Netherlands Commission

Holland is the only country in Europe who, in modern history, has managed to return its gold from the Tan / De Gaulle does not count /, therefore, it makes no sense to read the paid report, it’s rotten.

[Baloo]

Quote: voyaka uh

Read the report of the Netherlands Commission

Loklado the experts of the Netherlands can wipe. Trump shooting from satellites and telemetry in Russia and the USA. So far both of them are shy again to excite the public.

[Karislav]

"lost course on a flight to Cairo in a dust storm" - a dust storm for 10 km)) ??

[voyaka uh]

A dust storm can be hundreds of square kilometers.
Wind raises fine sand from the Sahara Desert or
from the Arabian desert. Everything is in a fog.

[shuravi]

Quote: voyaka uh

A dust storm can be hundreds of square kilometers.
Wind raises fine sand from the Sahara Desert or
from the Arabian desert. Everything is in a fog.

At 10 000 meters of height?

[Karislav]

Who shot down - a plane or a beech can only show a real investigation. - everything is already proven

[Pingo]

You should not go to wipe bars either, not only to Dutch, even to Russia
or you just can’t get out of the Dutch and Ukrainian social networks?

[Archivist Vasya]

Naturally intentional. Why now? Maybe he told someone too much, so they decided to eliminate the witness / participant.

[midshipman]

In violation of all ICAO standards, the dispatcher (she was a girl at the Dnepropetrovsk airport) was not detained after the crash, and she was sent on vacation by a Kolomoisk Jew. The airport belonged to him.
According to the rules, they did not hand over all the documentation, did not stop flights, did not send under arrest persons who conducted the liner. My colleagues clearly set forth these violation procedures in an article in the journal "Scientific Herald of the MSTU GA".

[Pingo]

how do you know? still secret
Kolomoisky gave in an interview he said “they were mistaken,” he really looks like the Russian government, only anti-aircraft gunners from below can’t make out, and the Su-25 pilot can.

[pafegosoff]

Did you help? The CIA found out that it could give a confession.
And from below “air-to-air” will reach the Big Airplane and with 6 km of altitude. P-73 in Ukraine in bulk range 20-40 km.

[shuravi]

Quote: pafegosoff

Did you help? The CIA found out that it could give a confession.
And from below “air-to-air” will reach the Big Airplane and with 6 km of altitude. P-73 in Ukraine in bulk range 20-40 km.

Su-Xnumx rises beautifully on Xnumx Xnumx meters.

[Pingo]

not only that, he also develops maximum speed there.
7000 only for Su-25K (TCB) with weak engines so as not to spend extra money and resource.

[shuravi]

Quote: Pingo

not only that, he also develops maximum speed there.
7000 only for Su-25K (TCB) with weak engines so as not to spend extra money and resource.

Here's a video. There it is noticeable on 8600 vertical 4 m / s. Despite the fact that the suspension is not empty.

[Pingo]

The VVSU had at least four high-altitude Su-25s with a pressurized cabin up to 16 thousand, for all the others up to 10-12 thousand there was enough oxygen cylinder without a high-altitude suit.

[Baloo]

Quote: voyaka uh

Of course, rocket militia

So they didn’t have a Beech, but pictures in the internet and a video of transporting a Ukrainian Beech.

[Pingo]

But there must be a Russian shooter
besides this, the rocket’s progress would be easily detected visually by the APU radars and even civilian dispatcher radars, which was the second briefing by the Russian Ministry of Defense
about the Su-25 was on the first

[Baloo]

Quote: Pingo

But there must be a Russian shooter
besides this, the rocket’s progress would be easily detected visually by the APU radars and even civilian dispatcher radars, which was the second briefing by the Russian Ministry of Defense
about the Su-25 was on the first

What are we arguing about here? One of the executioners of the Ukrainian people was shot. And let it burn in hell, like these shit-democratizers:

The aircraft technology of the international coalition led by the United States was engaged in the evacuation of the leaders of the “Islamic State” 1 from the Camishli region. It is reported by the Syrian national agency SANA, citing sources among civilians.
Civilian sources said three American helicopters landed on Monday in the area between Al Jissi and Kalu villages, about two kilometers south of Tal Khamis Township in the southeastern countryside of Camishli.
It is noted that the soldiers of the international coalition accompanied four people who lived in a house that was identified as a center for the leaders of the Islamic State. Terrorists of Iraqi nationality aircraft were evacuated in an unknown direction.
SANA recalls that on February 26, two US helicopters landed in Twain, southeast of the city of al-Shadadi, delivering a number of IG1 terrorists to Sabah al-Kheir, 20 km south of Hasaki, which US forces use as the center for training terrorist groups. The aviation technology of an international coalition led by the United States evacuated the leaders of the “Islamic State” 1 from the Camishli region. It is reported by the Syrian national agency SANA, citing sources among civilians.

They would rather find their bullet Who would doubt the US leadership in the Donbass massacre and such scum as Voloshin

[shuravi]

A few words about the mythical self-propelled guns "Buk" from the militia, allegedly posed by Russia. It could not be an installation, and the militia did not. At least for the banal uselessness.
Firstly, air defense is always built in accordance with existing threats. And what are the threats from the APU? A few front-line and army aircraft, where for effective counteraction of short-range systems, coupled with MANPADS for the eyes.
Secondly, contrary to the conviction of liberal ignoramuses, air defense is not called to destroy enemy aircraft (for this, front-line aviation), air defense covers objects, troops from air strikes. And what can a lonely, not even complex Buk missile defense system cover up for?
Thirdly, the Buk complex is not only a machine with missiles, it is also a radar, and a control center, and launchers. Only in this composition does the complex fully reveal its capabilities. For a minimum cover of LDNR, at least three complexes are needed, otherwise there is no sense in blocking the garden.

Well, and another important circumstance that speaks in favor of an air attack.
The rocket of this complex is very loud. Not notice (hear) the launch of it in such a densely populated area of ​​nonsense. I remind you that the crash of the plane came as a surprise and for some time we could not figure out what had fallen.

[watchmaker]

Ukraine leads started CONSEQUENCE ...... From this statement alone, it’s already ridiculous ....... All that Ukraine is really ready for and all that can do it is dance GOPAK !!!!!! Well, of course, and circus performances, especially recently, all kinds of SHOWs with serious faces, in general in the spirit of clowning (for expensive) .......

[yaros]

I ask one question in all forums, let someone explain the availability of a specialized US intelligence satellite accurate to minutes and in a given limited area of ​​surveillance, do not offer an accident .... And nothing more needs to be proved. The presence of the MO satellite was confirmed at the 1st conference, Boeing was specially sent by dispatchers to this area.