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The alleged perpetrator of the strike on MH17 settled accounts with life in Ukraine

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Site of national police of the Nikolaev area сообщает that the life of the director of one of the enterprises in the Ukrainian region, 29-year-old Vladislav Voloshin, committed suicide We are talking about a man who previously served in the Air Force of Ukraine. In 2014, the media published information that Voloshin was involved in the incident in the Malaysian Boeing. This is a plane flying to Kuala Lumpur and shot down over the Donbas.


Recall that in the testimony of another Ukrainian soldier, published in Russia, sounded the name Voloshin, who on that day piloted a military aircraft in the area of ​​the Malaysian Boeing’s route over the Donetsk region.

From the report of the Nikolaev national police about the incident with Voloshin:
Physicians and the investigative team of the Ingul police department arrived at the scene. The victim was urgently hospitalized, but died in the ambulance hospital from injuries.

According to the testimony of relatives, the deceased has recently been depressed and expressed alarming intentions.

Started criminal proceedings for hours. 1 Art. 115 MC "Intentional Homicide", as required by the procedure in such cases. The investigation is underway.


The alleged perpetrator of the strike on MH17 settled accounts with life in Ukraine


It is known that recently Voloshin, who had previously retired from military service, worked at the Nikolaevsky airport.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 19 March 2018 05: 53
    +1
    About the dead either good ... Or nothing ... But ditch the passenger liner is .... But I don’t know how to say ..
    1. K.A.S.
      K.A.S. 19 March 2018 06: 00
      +2
      Actually, the liner was ditched by beech. Even the experiments were. There are no bouquets for sou.
      And so the death is strange!
      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 19 March 2018 06: 05
        +11
        Quote: K.A.S.
        Actually, the liner was ditched by beech. Even the experiments were. There are no bouquets for sou.
        And so the death is strange!

        But first or later, he was shot at by an airplane.
        1. Pingo
          Pingo 19 March 2018 06: 22
          +3
          Quote: You Vlad
          But first or later

          instead,

          if all of a sudden, then at first, then no ace could beat from the cannon
          1. venik
            venik 19 March 2018 10: 48
            +3
            Quote: Pingo
            if all of a sudden, then at first, then no ace could beat from the cannon

            ========
            In-in! But if the Boeing was not shot down by him, but by the Buk air defense system but he was in the air at that moment, then he probably could see, hear (negotiate) or know something ("something that is not necessary" - for example, receive an order move away from the Boeing to a safe distance ...) .......
            And given that around the downed Boeing some kind of incomprehensible “stirring” has recently begun, then everything looks quite Stalinist: “there is a person - there is a problem, there is no person - and there is no problem” ..... ...
            This, of course, is just an assumption, but .......
            1. Dead duck
              Dead duck 19 March 2018 11: 34
              +4
              Quote: venik
              everything looks quite Stalinist: "there is a person - there is a problem, there is no person - and there is no problem."

              did he tell you personally?! ...
              scatter fake phrases ... yes
              phrase, by the way from "Children of the Arbat" ... and not him.
            2. Kars
              Kars 19 March 2018 13: 38
              +4
              Boeing is far from a fact. And the fact that it was he who launched a missile attack on the Lugansk Regional Council is almost 100%
            3. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 19 March 2018 16: 30
              +2
              That's just it, it cannot be denied that Buk and aviation could work on Boeing. Voloshin did not attack the Boeing, but he was definitely in the air that day and could know a lot.
          2. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 19 March 2018 11: 36
            +6
            Quote: Pingo
            Quote: You Vlad
            But first or later

            instead, if all of a sudden, no ace could

            This is really instead: the probability of the Su-25 being intercepted at cruising speed and altitude is -777: this is a very, very big luck. If so, then we must applaud the navigator, who led him. Unrealistic
            1. Pingo
              Pingo 19 March 2018 16: 20
              +1
              the speed of the Su-25 at the same height is more than 50 km / h, nothing unrealistic.
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 19 March 2018 16: 48
                +4
                I do not agree with you: -777 goes on cruising 0,82-, 84. -25 at these altitudes in optimal conditions it will reach 0,82, which will not be easy and will be overgrown with a bunch of restrictions. Given the capabilities of the sighting system and armament -25, such an interception is a big, very big luck and requires a lot of preparation from everyone, which in the country was not 404
                1. Pingo
                  Pingo 19 March 2018 17: 07
                  +1
                  if you want to agree with the specifications for both aircraft, if you want, no, but it’s true.
                  All the same, the Su-25 is a jet military aircraft with an arrow-shaped wing, and such an altitude is optimal for its speed.
                  1. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 19 March 2018 17: 27
                    +3
                    Dear, do you yourself have experience in operating jets with swept wings?
                    1. Pingo
                      Pingo 19 March 2018 18: 09
                      +2
                      Yes, I can distinguish even a practical ceiling from others.
                      1. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 19 March 2018 19: 19
                        +3
                        So is there experience or not?
                    2. Pingo
                      Pingo 19 March 2018 19: 29
                      +1
                      it was written what specifically interests from "fast jet high performance; rotorcraft; jet airline .."? or want to know why such a need?
                      According to the radar control data of the Ministry of Defense and the Internal Affairs Directorate of the Russian Federation, the Su-25 intercepted, it is also intended for attacks on transporters.
                      1. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 19 March 2018 19: 33
                        +3
                        Quote: Pingo
                        According to the radar control data of the Ministry of Defense and the Internal Affairs Directorate of the Russian Federation, the Su-25 intercepted, it is also intended for attacks on transporters.

                        Have you seen the control data? Throw a link, MO
                      2. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 19 March 2018 20: 43
                        +3
                        Quote: Pingo
                        "fast jet high performance; rotorcraft; jet airline .."? or want to know why these are needed?

                        I answered this question for myself a long time ago, for sure you also have your own opinion
                    3. Pingo
                      Pingo 19 March 2018 19: 54
                      +1
                      you will find a link about the ATC data at two MO briefings on MH17 in Google
                      have you never seen? especially the first one?
                      1. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 19 March 2018 20: 25
                        +3
                        MO data?
                        Quote: Pingo
                        fast jet high performance; rotorcraft; jet airline .. "
                        delete unnecessary repeat
                    4. Pingo
                      Pingo 19 March 2018 20: 42
                      +1
                      so you checkers or go?
                      Or do you think that military radars cannot determine the type of aircraft?
                      1. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 19 March 2018 21: 05
                        +3
                        I’m even sure of this: what kind of location are you talking about - primary or secondary. Primary can determine the type only based on the experience of the person in front of the display. Do you have data that 404th military aircraft are capable of operating in civilian, secondary, space? Do you think civilian dispatchers see them on synthetic air picture display? Not sure
                    5. Nebuchadnezzar
                      Nebuchadnezzar 20 March 2018 09: 11
                      0
                      The type of aircraft according to Radar Signature has long been automatically determined by military radars, it is faked with great difficulty.
                      A secondary civilian radar will see a military target, but usually without determining its height (except for modern ones). In Dnepropetrovsk on the eve was the installation of new equipment.
                      1. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 20 March 2018 10: 57
                        +3
                        Quote: Nebuchadnezzar
                        The type of aircraft according to Radar Signature has long been determined by military radars

                        Maybe you're right, depending on when it came "long ago". I don’t agree with you about the secondary location, there should be equipment on the plane: not everyone installs it
                    6. Nebuchadnezzar
                      Nebuchadnezzar 20 March 2018 12: 41
                      +1
                      A secondary radar will take a bearing on an airplane without such equipment anyway, it is in active mode.
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 19 March 2018 06: 20
        +3
        Quote: K.A.S.
        Actually, the liner was ditched by beech. Even the experiments were. There are no bouquets for sou.
        And so the death is strange!

        On in, there was a transcript of the talks of Kalomoy’s helpers: ... by air ... ---- ..... it didn’t work from the ground ... Then there was a throw from Build through the association of Russian engineers, incl. and on tv. However, the VO very quickly dealt with fake airplanes - the dates allegedly did not coincide in the image from space and some other details. It remains to wait, while this poker is still bluffing, and the US and Russia have hands on their hands, well, maybe someone else has a satellite there
        1. Pingo
          Pingo 19 March 2018 06: 37
          +3
          stuffing went with transcripts of negotiations
          Quote: Balu
          helpers kalomoya

          laughing
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 19 March 2018 08: 20
            +3
            Quote: Pingo
            stuffing went with transcripts of negotiations
            Quote: Balu
            helpers kalomoya

            laughing

            Why stuffing, the publication was from a cybercircut. The fact that the Americans do not publish satellite images already indicates the organizers of the tragedy. There was a publication of negotiations between dispatchers. The dispatcher of Dnepropetrovsk took away from the usual route and from the echelon usual for this flight to a lower one.
            1. Pingo
              Pingo 19 March 2018 16: 24
              0
              because it would be even easier to get off the ground, the scale and type of aircraft did not match, not the date.
              1. Baloo
                Baloo 19 March 2018 18: 28
                +1
                Quote: Pingo
                because it would be even easier to get off the ground, the scale and type of aircraft did not match, not the date.

                No one saw the launch of a rocket from the ground, but already in the first hours, witnesses spoke of large and small aircraft.
                1. Pingo
                  Pingo 19 March 2018 18: 51
                  0
                  Quote: Balu
                  On in, there was a transcript of the talks of Kalomoy’s helpers: ... by air ... ---- ..... it didn’t work from the ground ... Then there was a throw from Build through the association of Russian engineers, incl. and on tv. However, VO very quickly dealt with fake airplanes

                  Well, why did you write it then?
      3. Letun
        Letun 19 March 2018 08: 29
        0
        Quote: K.A.S.
        Actually, the liner was ditched by beech. Even the experiments were. There are no bouquets for sou.
        And so the death is strange!

        Well what are you, there is immediately an opinion that the liner, at counter-intersecting courses (total speed of about 1500 km / h), shot in the pilot’s eye (well, so that he didn’t have time to warn by radio) shot down the Ukrainian ace. And from the “Buk” then they finished off, having visited, on the coloring of the fuselage. Well, because she was like Putin.
        1. mvg
          mvg 19 March 2018 09: 26
          +2
          You, sorry, rave ... Once again read yourself the comment.
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 19 March 2018 16: 31
            +1
            Quote: mvg
            You, sorry, rave ... Once again read yourself the comment.

            He is joking. Be that as it may, the trump cards are in the USA and Russia. Why would Voloshin, a man in his prime, shoot in a promising position, and even at home ?!
        2. Karislav
          Karislav 19 March 2018 12: 16
          0
          Finished from beech ??? )) children garden .. why ???
      4. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 19 March 2018 10: 41
        +1
        Strange, fell on a knife 17 times, I’m not lying, citizen chief)))
    2. You Vlad
      You Vlad 19 March 2018 06: 03
      +10
      Quote: Vard
      About the dead either good ... Or nothing ... But ditch the passenger liner is .... But I don’t know how to say ..

      Wrong look request There is no body, no business, oh no witness, no business! He was an important witness, someone gave an order, it’s just that military planes don’t shoot at civilian planes. crying
      1. svp67
        svp67 19 March 2018 06: 08
        +4
        Quote: You Vlad
        No body, no business, oh no witness, no business!

        Unfortunately, there is a matter and there are plenty of bodies in it.
        Quote: You Vlad
        Witness he was important

        Yeah ... But there are still guidance officers, unit commander ... There are still many who are.
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 19 March 2018 06: 12
          +9
          Quote: svp67
          Yeah ... But there are still guidance officers, unit commander ... There are still many who are.

          But how many? In Ukraine, now often accounts with life are reduced, and people disappear ..
          What did they do to you Ukraine, you are our pain.
          1. svp67
            svp67 19 March 2018 06: 22
            +4
            Quote: You Vlad
            What did they do to you Ukraine, you are our pain.

            Honestly, I’m worried about this differently, but what did WE DO that she would not become like that?
            Quote: You Vlad
            In Ukraine, now often accounts for life are reduced, and people disappear ..

            Can we change it now?
            1. Topotun
              Topotun 19 March 2018 10: 57
              +2
              It was necessary to change 20 years ago, now there is already a generation of Maidan rampage ...
          2. vlad66
            vlad66 19 March 2018 07: 10
            +8
            Quote: You Vlad
            In Ukraine, now often accounts for life are reduced, and people disappear ..

            The dispatcher who drove the Boeing the next day disappeared with her husband.
            Quote: svp67
            Can we change it now?

            But do we need it? We wanted independence and Svidomo, even if they slurp a full spoon, but not at the expense of us and our resources, I do not mean LDNR. hi
            1. svp67
              svp67 19 March 2018 11: 02
              +2
              Quote: vlad66
              And we need it

              I don’t know already.
              Quote: vlad66
              but not at the expense of us and our resources

              I agree completely. It is already clearly visible that for that mess they are trying to make us pay ....
              Quote: vlad66
              LDNR does not mean.

              Honestly, I would not mind if their territory, SUDDENLY, by sheer chance, which in life never happens, expanded to the entire Donetsk, Zaporizhzhya, Nikolaev, Kherson, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Lugansk, Kirovograd and Kharkov regions ...
          3. Iline
            Iline 19 March 2018 07: 40
            0
            Dealing with conscience is dangerous to health.
        2. kapitan92
          kapitan92 19 March 2018 10: 19
          +6
          Quote: svp67
          But there are still guidance officers, unit commander ... There are still many who are.

          There is still !!! hi
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 19 March 2018 06: 23
        +10
        Quote: You Vlad
        I gave an order; just like that, military planes do not shoot at civilian planes.

        The dispatcher quit in the morning and disappeared with her husband. If the former Major Voloshin was killed, then there will be corpses, for example, the flight director of that shift and someone else from the staff.
        1. svp67
          svp67 19 March 2018 06: 29
          +5
          Quote: Balu
          for example, the flight manager of that shift and someone else from the staff

          Do they still live? Or have you already added to the list of “anti-terrorist operation heroes”?
        2. Alex-a832
          Alex-a832 19 March 2018 07: 52
          +3
          Quote: Balu
          The dispatcher quit in the morning and disappeared with her husband. If the former Major Voloshin was killed, then there will be corpses, for example, the flight director of that shift and someone else from the staff.

          Relatives of Voloshin, according to the information provided, spoke of his depressed state. There is a high probability that he was drawn to publicly repent, but this was not included in the plans of the ukrovermaht. The rest are alive, depending on the degree of awareness and desire to pour out the soul.
        3. BLOND
          BLOND 19 March 2018 10: 36
          0
          Quote: Balu
          Quote: You Vlad
          I gave an order; just like that, military planes do not shoot at civilian planes.

          The dispatcher quit in the morning and disappeared with her husband. If the former Major Voloshin was killed, then there will be corpses, for example, the flight director of that shift and someone else from the staff.

          ... Another tree from the Maidan was cut ...
      3. Karislav
        Karislav 19 March 2018 12: 17
        0
        Diamond antey is already proof- BUK ... what nafig witness ?? !!!
    3. reibert
      reibert 19 March 2018 07: 09
      0
      Or say the truth
    4. g1v2
      g1v2 19 March 2018 07: 46
      +7
      Personally, my IMHO - they framed. For several days, before the Boeing Ukrsmi, they dispersed the topic that Russian reconnaissance planes fly over Donbass as at home. And the highest ranks of the Ukrainian air vow promised to bring down our scouts. The Tu214r reconnaissance aircraft is essentially an outwardly passenger plane only stuffed with equipment. They could think that they were knocking down a Russian intelligence officer and waiting for medals and cookies. And they Dnepropetrovsk dispatchers launched a civilian board there. The clerks obviously did not know this. So two loneliness met. Who shot down - a plane or a beech can only show a real investigation. And it does not need FIG in Western governments. Otherwise, it will be necessary to declare that the sanctions were imposed on false charges. That will not turn out anything good in the elections. request
      1. askort154
        askort154 19 March 2018 12: 27
        +1
        g1v2 .....Personally, my IMHO - they framed ......

        Your option is quite viable. Voloshin’s expression heard by the aircraft technician “it turned out to be wrong” fits quite naturally into this option.
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 19 March 2018 16: 34
        +1
        Quote: g1v2
        The clerks obviously did not know this.

        I'm not an expert, but what about transponders? Military dispatchers. as I imagine, all Pepilians control, including civilians. This is evidenced by the comment of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation according to the data of the Rostov air defense center, there are also interceptions of the dispatcher-board conversation.
    5. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 19 March 2018 08: 33
      0
      Quote: Vard
      But ditch this passenger liner.

      Well, you are like the British .... well, enough unfounded accusations are enough .... there is no evidence - there is no label !!!!
    6. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 19 March 2018 09: 07
      +8
      Quote: Vard
      About the dead either good ... Or nothing ... But ditch the passenger liner is .... But I don’t know how to say ..

      This pretzel, in addition to being involved in the death of Boeing, carried out 33 sorties to strike on the territory of the LPR. He simply feels behind him the shadows of the dead and hears the distant steps of those who come for him and call to account because already the most ardent advocates of Russia's accusation of a plane crash with passengers are trying to move away from this topic and begin to talk about Russia not being involved in the absence of "convincing" evidence ... It’s clear to everyone that it’s good day that Russia has absolutely other possibilities and the version with pulling the Buk through half the country are insignificant ...
    7. Siberian
      Siberian 19 March 2018 09: 18
      0
      Vard: I don’t know how to say ..
      I will prompt. “What a pleasant nuisance” (Aibolit, 66)
    8. ioan-e
      ioan-e 19 March 2018 09: 24
      +3
      About the dead either good ... Or nothing ...

      Literally, this ancient Greek phrase sounds like this - About the dead either good or nothing but the truth!
    9. starogil
      starogil 19 March 2018 09: 39
      +1
      About the dead or good, or nothing but the truth .....
      .... it is unlikely that this, in the past, military pilot was related to a plane crash,
      such witnesses do not live for so long.
    10. Vend
      Vend 19 March 2018 10: 13
      0
      Quote: Vard
      About the dead either good ... Or nothing ... But ditch the passenger liner is .... But I don’t know how to say ..

      Such an act always puts in skirmishers, a matter of time, when a person will be removed.
  2. Pingo
    Pingo 19 March 2018 05: 54
    +1
    Yes, of course, I did not live to see the court, but what about?
    1. just exp
      just exp 19 March 2018 06: 15
      0
      helped, they notice traces.
      1. Pingo
        Pingo 19 March 2018 06: 19
        0
        so that Buk does not interfere.

        probably never even called to the Dutch prosecutor’s office
  3. LeonidL
    LeonidL 19 March 2018 05: 58
    +10
    Ends in the water? Are the dead not talking? And why is it so young and successful, personally awarded by Petyunchik, Poproshenko from the Air Force escaped and let go of the bullet in the forehead?
  4. tracer
    tracer 19 March 2018 05: 59
    +7
    And he, like Sashko Bily, shot himself in the head 5 times. Settled scores with life. Byad ....
    1. novel66
      novel66 19 March 2018 08: 48
      0
      nothing surprising - the brain is small, only the fifth bullet hit
  5. oldav
    oldav 19 March 2018 05: 59
    +7
    Authorities liquidated the one who committed the massacre. It's like in the 90s they eliminated killers so they did not tell the truth.
    1. milling machine
      milling machine 19 March 2018 06: 06
      +1
      But what about the "diamond Antei" with their evidence that it was a "Buk". We should have decided on the versions already.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 19 March 2018 06: 24
        +5
        Quote: frezer
        But what about the "diamond Antei" with their evidence that it was a "Buk". We should have decided on the versions already.

        They proved that this is not a Russian beech, and if they fired with a beech, it wasn’t from the side of the militia.
        1. Karislav
          Karislav 19 March 2018 15: 24
          0
          but how they wore off about Voloshin !! !! ?? what he shot down .... and then shut up about the plane .. diamond antei proved everything!
      2. kenig1
        kenig1 19 March 2018 06: 25
        0
        Read above.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 19 March 2018 06: 32
          +3
          Quote: kenig1
          Read above.

          that it was not a beech that was in service with the Russian army, but an old beech that was in service with Ukraine.
          1. Pingo
            Pingo 19 March 2018 06: 40
            +1
            on the assumption that it was just Buk, by the way, there are enough types of air defense systems without it
            1. loginovich
              loginovich 19 March 2018 08: 47
              0
              Quote: Pingo
              on the assumption that it was just Buk, by the way, there are enough types of air defense systems without it

              On the eve of the Russian spring showed a beech of militias, you can look at Sharya, and they wrote about him at VO, and the next day they shot him down. If the militias had c-200 they would have shot them down.
              1. Pingo
                Pingo 19 March 2018 16: 25
                0
                how did they show or how did he go?
              2. Baloo
                Baloo 19 March 2018 16: 37
                +1
                Quote: loginovich
                Quote: Pingo
                on the assumption that it was just Buk, by the way, there are enough types of air defense systems without it

                On the eve of the Russian spring showed a beech of militias, you can look at Sharya, and they wrote about him at VO, and the next day they shot him down. If the militias had c-200 they would have shot them down.

                The militia had a beech inoperative. It is impossible to restore it outside the factory. This is a monument to beech, not an apparatus.
            2. novel66
              novel66 19 March 2018 08: 49
              0
              damaging elements - a thing quite recognizable
              1. Pingo
                Pingo 19 March 2018 16: 27
                +2
                and easy toss,
                and the holes from the fragmentation shells of the 30mm gun cannot be confused with anything.
            3. Siberian
              Siberian 19 March 2018 09: 25
              +3
              Search the Internet for a Boeing shot down over the Donbass: was there a Buk? (I) dated 31.05.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX. There about everything - and about the BEECH, and about the fighter, and about the locator
              Yes, in addition, this ukrohergy bombed Lugansk in 2014, was proud of this and recently told in an interview that he would have repeated his feat without hesitation.
              1. Pingo
                Pingo 19 March 2018 16: 27
                0
                about the attack aircraft, google "МН17, untold story", watch from the 14th minute.
      3. Pingo
        Pingo 19 March 2018 06: 27
        +1
        To decide why, after the Lipetsk AC of the Russian Aerospace Forces, in order to self-promote, they had to drive such bullshit that they later repeated to the detriment of state interests.
      4. andrewkor
        andrewkor 19 March 2018 06: 32
        +2
        Dear Fraser, this is the media, what should they determine? They threw a throw-in, and there’s even a flood. But the words of this character in the press quoted after departure that day: "This plane was at the wrong time and in the wrong place." a rag or a low moo. We have nowhere to hurry, wait, sir!
        1. Pingo
          Pingo 19 March 2018 06: 44
          +2
          nowhere to rush, the train left long ago
          you just had to scroll through the couple of minutes from RT "MH17, an untold story", and then look at their faces
          now while the trump cards, well-known to everyone, were warmed in the sleeve, interest in the topic has long disappeared
          and you will first have to make excuses for Syria and Skripal
  6. svp67
    svp67 19 March 2018 06: 06
    0
    The alleged perpetrator of the strike on MH17 settled accounts with life in Ukraine
    Not surprised. I am surprised that Russia has not yet been blamed ...
    1. NKT
      NKT 19 March 2018 06: 24
      +1
      Wait, it’s not time yet, because the article is intentional murder.
      1. k174oun7
        k174oun7 19 March 2018 07: 44
        0
        Blaming Russia and Putin personally for this incident is too late. Elections - held.
  7. Herculesic
    Herculesic 19 March 2018 06: 06
    +2
    They clean up and liquidate the one who could tell the truth about this crime of the Ukrainian military.
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 March 2018 06: 09
    0
    Dark theme. Our experts were not allowed to investigate. Themselves, obviously, are confused in the versions. Technically, they could not even determine the type of rocket. How could a plane go there? The performers? The longer the investigation drags on, the farther from the truth ...
    1. Pingo
      Pingo 19 March 2018 06: 31
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Technically, they could not even determine the type of rocket.

      this is difficult, especially for the Dutch, and given the fact that the plane was shot from a cannon
      in the decline before the fall could still grab from MANPADS
      1. novel66
        novel66 19 March 2018 08: 51
        0
        and after the fall, still fired by artillery - surely everyone did
        1. Pingo
          Pingo 19 March 2018 20: 11
          0
          rudely done everything
          the holes from the 30mm fragmentation shells of the Su-25 cannon are still confused with anything.
          and he himself was far from stealth for the radar
          but composting Buk’s brains through social networks and high-speed damaging elements to many individuals, it turns out so far, so what’s the difference?
  9. Dormidont
    Dormidont 19 March 2018 06: 09
    +1
    More great news
  10. Declarant
    Declarant 19 March 2018 06: 09
    +1
    Conscience stuck? Or removed as an artist?
    1. Pingo
      Pingo 19 March 2018 06: 34
      +1
      if conscience sank, then repented and conveyed it to people,
      although there are options that went crazy or said to be silent under threat to the life of relatives.
      maybe it wasn’t him at all, two more names of pilots were spinning.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 March 2018 06: 24
    +4
    In Ukraine, strange deaths are not the first time. And then suddenly the one who was suspected and lived quietly for several years decided to take his own life. It is doubtful that conscience was tortured.
  12. andrewkor
    andrewkor 19 March 2018 06: 26
    +2
    The ends are cleared according to the example of the United Kingdom. About the dispatchers that led
    this flight has not been heard for a long time, rested in the Bose !! ??
  13. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 19 March 2018 06: 39
    +1
    Or they decided to cover the tracks, and arrange them like a suicide ...
  14. Nix1986
    Nix1986 19 March 2018 06: 56
    0
    Maybe of course nonsense, but they could easily “help” with euthanasia, such witnesses and perpetrators of the crime should not be left alive.
  15. Double major
    Double major 19 March 2018 06: 58
    +2
    Shot in the back of the head with two shots, come on? It hurts by the time ...
  16. Grits
    Grits 19 March 2018 07: 01
    +1
    Damn, sorry. But he could have worked for another 25 years in Siberian logging or in Malaysian mines.
    1. tracer
      tracer 19 March 2018 07: 39
      0
      Malaysian for thieves .. There are many more trash in the government. Clean up a little bit. Sobchak out with painted shushary from a television show will send a military uniform to sew.
  17. gukoyan
    gukoyan 19 March 2018 08: 29
    0
    Now hysteria will begin again, as it is now fashionable, the Kremlin’s Hand ...
  18. BAI
    BAI 19 March 2018 09: 11
    +1
    Now they will declare him the FSB hire agent (agent) and say that the plane was shot down by order of the Kremlin. The dispatcher of Dnepropetrovsk has long disappeared, now another inconvenient witness.
  19. Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 19 March 2018 09: 59
    0
    Guilty of the right to determine only the court. Everything else is assumptions, versions, conjectures and wild imagination.
  20. shuravi
    shuravi 19 March 2018 10: 00
    +2
    So I immediately said:



    Total, what for today? There are three versions:
    1. Shot down by the Buk air defense system of the militia.
    2. Shot down by the Buk air defense system of the Ukrainian army.
    3. Shot down by Ukrainian Su-25.
    Actually, the first version can be safely combined with the second. For the simple reason that no matter who the ill-fated Buk was, official Ukraine would have blamed everything on the militia for anyone. What is she actually doing now.
    I’m just repeating that if there was a Buk, that’s all, no shelling, no delay. Ukrainian and Western experts immediately at the scene of the disaster, rocket fragments found and presented. And then “gifts” to whom sanctions, to whom military assistance.
    After all, it’s stupid to think that if the Ukrainian side planned such an destruction of the plane, it would undoubtedly take care of how to put up the militia much more competently, and not drag out the rubber for how much time. Moreover, qualitatively, and not the wretched impromptu that takes place. Since blaming the militia and indirectly Russia, this is an impromptu.
    Without going around for a long time, looking at such strange (from the point of view of the catastrophe investigation) acts of official Ukraine and its patrons, we can say that there was force majeure. Moreover, not because a civilian plane was accidentally shot down, since it is impossible to accidentally bring down a civilian car on a theater where the opposing side does not have aviation at all. The fact is that they shot down a civilian plane intentionally, but the trouble is, not as much as I wanted.
    It is clear that this crime was planned to be hung on Russia (they continue to try to hang it now) and its plan is quite obvious, because it is simple and reliable (well, then it seemed that it was safe):

    - Knowing the route of a civilian plane, raise Su-25 in advance, and bring it to a predetermined height at point A. Not a difficult task as a whole.
    - When a civilian plane is at point B, bring both aircraft at point C. Also not with Newton’s bin, which is for the pilot, which is for the point of guidance. Moreover, civilian dispatchers also helped, corrected the flight of the target.
    - Su-25, launches the P-60 and destroys one of the engines. What is not fatal for a Boeing-777, it can fly on one engine, but not so fast and high (because no one will force the remaining engine to be increased by the increased regime), which was actually planned.
    - Having lost the speed and altitude of the Boeing 777, the Su-25 is already an easy target, it remains only to wait when he tries to reach Rostov (and where else can he go?) Crosses the Ukrainian-Russian border and finish him off the cannon.

    Are there any weaknesses in this regard? No, except for one, but about him after. Other objections are easily dismissed:

    - First, in the event of engine damage, the passenger crew should have been amused. No objection. Only what could he care about? 99,9-9% of engine failure. Firstly, civilian pilots are already accustomed to it, any failure in the operation of equipment as a refusal to perceive, secondly, you can figure it out without leaving the cabin, what’s there, a missile hit, or fatigue destruction of a turbine. And even if we allow the incredible, the crew reported combat damage, then the border, here it is, is nearby. While sorted and crossed.
    - Secondly, Russian air defense is shot down by a flown Ukrainian Su-25. So this is a gift for official Ukraine. Eyes will be modestly lowered and say, “Well, yes, he flew in.” What to do, we have ATO, and pilots have little experience. So he behaved modestly, didn’t attack any targets, and you and his Boin-777 in distress at the same time attacked him.
    And the choice of the Su-25 aircraft in this case is ideal, since its presence is easy to explain. But popping into Russian territory to Ukrainian fighters would be fraught. In principle, they could insure, launch the P-60, but why? Su-25 and himself with a subsonic non-maneuverable goal to perfectly cope, why shine fighters on a crime. And surely there was a safety net, but from the same Su-25.
    - Third, the wreckage, registrars are available to Russian experts. So what? Few examples of double vision of Western representatives? Remember Smolensk, still looking for malicious intent. In short, how can Russian experts not refine there, but they will not see the defeat of the engine by the P-60 rocket. As did not see and do not see the projectiles flying from the Ukrainian side. But the holes from the gun will certainly see. After all, these are the Russian Tunguska, Carapace air defense systems, Su-27, MiG-29 aircraft. In addition, the P-60 is armed with aircraft.
    As for the registrars, or do not care about all international rights, pass the boxes to the "international" commission, or you falsified all the data.
    - Fourth, now a weak spot. Interception at intersecting courses is good, it allows you to attack targets even surpassing the interceptor in speed, and the interceptor in the case of a catch-up intersecting course has enough time to recognize-aim-attack. Yes, the trouble is, in this case, one of the engines and the cockpit on the same line of sight are. And P-60 does not guarantee 100% hit and what happened was not taken into account, the rocket not only missed the engine, but also managed to get into the cockpit (or as an option, the warhead worked normally, but the rocket wreckage, including its engine hit the cockpit).
    Such cases have already occurred more than once when missiles with infrared seekers missed the engine but still fell into an airplane / helicopter.
    This, by the way, explains the reason for the silence of the crew. Explosion warhead, plus depressurization, no chance for the crew to survive.
    Having lost control, the plane went into uncontrollable flight, fell apart and crashed. The fact that passenger planes can fall apart is a fact. A sufficient example, as in the 2004 year, the 300th Airbus crashed due to vigorous pedal work, which caused the tail to fall off.
    The fact that they found traces on the wreckage similar to the hits of 30 mm shells is also not surprising. It is likely that the attack aircraft pilot saw that the situation was not calculated, got nervous and tried to act according to the original plan. And he fired at an already falling plane from a cannon.

    Fans of "pulling an owl on the globe", that is, braiding the mythical supply of a lone self-propelled gun "Buk" from the Russian Federation, before embarking on a polemic, answer - But what is the Buk complex designed for?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 19 March 2018 10: 32
      +1
      There are no versions now. There are the results of the investigation of the commission.
      Although the day after the incident was absolutely clear,
      that there was a tragic mistake in determining the target missile
      in the course of hostilities.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 19 March 2018 10: 46
        +2
        voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 10:32 ↑
        There are no versions now. There are the results of the investigation of the commission.
        Although the day after the incident was absolutely clear,
        that a tragic error occurred in determining the goal rocket men
        during the war
        .

        An immodest question - by whose "rocket launchers?"
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 19 March 2018 10: 56
          0
          Of course, rocket militiamen. Who were sure that
          shoot at a Ukrainian military transporter (if you knew that it was a liner, then
          wouldn’t shoot). All militia commanders exchanged joyful sms
          after the shot down: "Hooray, ours were hit by a transporter!". Then the first ones arrived
          to the place of the tragedy. SMS has changed: "Oh, there are civilians ...".
          And then silence. And 3 years of lies.
          If they admitted immediately, there would be no crime. There was military action. Liner
          ended up in the battle zone. Such cases have been before in other countries.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 19 March 2018 10: 58
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Of course, rocket militia

            "So big, but you believe in fairy tales ..."
            good
          2. aszzz888
            aszzz888 19 March 2018 11: 18
            +2
            voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 10:56 ↑
            Of course, rocket militia

            Troll, voyaka uh. Where did the MILITARY MISSILES come from ?!
            Such cases have been before in other countries.
            They certainly happened to be in others - at the meriticos, at the ukronazists ...
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 19 March 2018 11: 29
              0
              And Israel had. In 1973, Israeli fighters shot down a Libyan airliner over Sinai.
              He went astray on a flight to Cairo in a dust storm. Israel decided that it was an Egyptian kamikaze plane (there was a war with Egypt), which was sent to attack the Dimon reactor.
              The Libyan pilot confused the Israeli fighters with the Egyptian ones and did not understand the command to force landing ... And so on. people died. sad
              Israel, too, denied guilt for 3 of the day, at the 4-th - when the testimony of the dispatchers was published - fully admitted.

              "Where did the MILITARY MILITARY come from?!" ///

              Read the commission report. There about it in great detail:
              and where, and where, and who.
              1. aszzz888
                aszzz888 19 March 2018 11: 44
                +1
                voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 11:29 AM Read the commission's report.

                Whose report, sorry? The Netherlands has not yet officially completed the investigation ... If the report is at the level of the beskek of ukrokaklia, or to the CIA of the merikathos, whose ears stick out above the statue of liberty, then you no longer bother with unnecessary writing of these "facts" ... hi
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 19 March 2018 11: 53
                  0
                  Commission of the Netherlands. The conclusions there are unambiguous, without options.
                  But the case has not yet been transferred to court.
                  1. aszzz888
                    aszzz888 19 March 2018 11: 57
                    +2
                    voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 11: 53 ↑ New
                    Commission of the Netherlands. The conclusions there are unambiguous, without options.
                    But the case has not yet been transferred to court.

                    Why? Waiting for the go-ahead of the hosts? Or they know that any lawyer of the 1st year of law faculty will break these "conclusions".
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 19 March 2018 12: 07
                      0
                      Not so. They did not decide against whom to file.
                      There are both individuals and organizations.
                      Individuals (Russian rocket launchers and a driver) are likely to be
                      justified. They did not know that the target was a civilian ship.
                      And from organizations it is difficult to get compensation for the families of the victims.
                      1. aszzz888
                        aszzz888 19 March 2018 12: 11
                        +1
                        voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 12: 07
                        In a post above they indicated that the "militias" were shot down
                        voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 10:56 ↑
                        Of course, rocket militiamen.
                        . So before you bring nonsense, decide. And then later the Russian janitors, ZhEKovets will go ... laughing . Adieu.
                  2. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 19 March 2018 11: 59
                    +2
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    But the case has not yet been transferred to court.

                    What are they pulling? Vaughn - May, without any embarrassment, the hype organized the next morning. And then 3 year snot chew.
                    Maybe because
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    The conclusions there are unambiguous, without options.

                    ..not in favor of Banderostan?
          3. shuravi
            shuravi 19 March 2018 12: 05
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Of course, rocket militiamen. Who were sure that
            shoot at a Ukrainian military transporter (if you knew that it was a liner, then
            wouldn’t shoot).


            Ill, MANPADS to such a height do not reach. laughing
          4. Karislav
            Karislav 19 March 2018 12: 25
            0
            An antenna on a radar near a beech at 5000 m looks the same as a Boeing at 10 km, the beech is photographed and video, mp is determined, from the Russian Federation to the DPR and LPR
          5. Pingo
            Pingo 19 March 2018 16: 41
            0
            Somewhat orders of magnitude more likely, the flying Su-25 could visually confuse the MH17 with a Russian government plane, because of the very similar unique color of this airline, or if the SBU-APU knocking it down intentionally then they will cough.
            Judging by the buzz with Buk immediately in the press - intentionally, and he was a distracting blank.
            Do you know there is a fuse on Buka that prohibits launching for a civilian target, for its answering machine. There is no such thing on the Su-25 cannon. And on the air defense system it is necessary to call the senior with the key and tear off the seals in order to chop off this device that interferes with the launch. And do not say that in Israel they don’t know anything about it. It’s only the European plebs about Buk going back and forth that he could catch, not knowing about the fuse which would not make a mistake with a civilian aircraft.
            If SMSki are true, then what else could you expect from the locals, next to which before that the transport workers fell constantly?
      2. Pingo
        Pingo 19 March 2018 16: 30
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        There are no versions now. There are the results of the investigation of the commission.
        Although the day after the incident was absolutely clear,
        that there was a tragic mistake in determining the target missile
        in the course of hostilities.

        less often go to Holland, there is legalization, there could be a wrong salad.
        1. Pingo
          Pingo 19 March 2018 17: 10
          0
          for some reason it was “clear” to them (some Swedes) in half an hour, it’s good that after and not before.
    2. Karislav
      Karislav 19 March 2018 15: 26
      0
      full of pictures and videos as our beech came from the Kursk missile brigade. everywhere lit up in Russia and in the DNI and LC
      1. Pingo
        Pingo 19 March 2018 16: 48
        0
        in Russia, many beeches travel back and forth.
  21. BigBoss
    BigBoss 19 March 2018 10: 09
    +1
    The ends of the input are hidden, the classic scheme. They dragged on something with the pilot, usually such important witnesses do not live for so long. And nobody heard about the dispatcher from Kharkov?
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 19 March 2018 11: 58
      +1
      BigBoss (Andrey) Today, 10:09 And no one heard about the dispatcher from Kharkov?

      I didn’t hear, but it’s very likely that there’s no dispatcher, as well as the flyer Voloshin who shot down the airliner.
  22. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 19 March 2018 10: 29
    0
    But the Spaniard-dispatcher, who worked in Ukraine, who said that he saw rapprochement on the radar
    Ukrainian fighter and liner, admitted that he lied. For money. He was paid for a fake something in the region of 50 thousand
    Euro.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 19 March 2018 10: 34
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Euro.

      Or maybe shekels?
      wassat
    2. BLOND
      BLOND 19 March 2018 10: 48
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      But the Spaniard-dispatcher, who worked in Ukraine, who said that he saw rapprochement on the radar
      Ukrainian fighter and liner, admitted that he lied. For money. He was paid for a fake something in the region of 50 thousand
      Euro.

      .... a passerby paid ... well, of course, everyone calmed down and did not look for a passerby.
    3. aszzz888
      aszzz888 19 March 2018 10: 49
      +2
      voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 10:29 He was paid for a fake something around 50 thousand
      Euro.

      And do you believe that? If yes, evidence in the studio. And so, your post can be mistaken for a fake - somewhere I read something, somewhere I heard something ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 19 March 2018 11: 16
        0
        Please:
        "The testimony of the" Spanish controller Carlos, "who in 2014 reported the persecution
        Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 by Ukrainian aircraft, changed:
        he admitted that he still lied "
        Details: https://regnum.ru/news/2390416.html

        He was run over for some other fraud, at the same time he admitted this. The swindler. negative
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 19 March 2018 11: 53
          +1
          voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 11:16 ↑

          It would be better if the testimony of the ukrokaklia dispatcher, tracking devices and confirmations would be made public ... And also a little earlier than the testimony of the pilot Voloshin, who shot down a civilian plane, and as it happens with them, he took and shot himself the other day. Strange - don’t you?
          And at the same time, there is evidence of space reconnaissance of the meriticos that will not come out of the unnecessary.
    4. svp67
      svp67 19 March 2018 10: 52
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      But the Spaniard dispatcher, who worked in Ukraine, who said that he saw on the radar the rapprochement of the Ukrainian fighter and the liner, admitted that he lied. For money. He was paid for a fake something in the region of 50 thousand euros.
      But he said this, only now, and before that everyone generally said that such a dispatcher did not exist ... And for what fake did he pay 50 for this or that?
    5. Pingo
      Pingo 19 March 2018 16: 51
      0
      The Russian Ministry of Defense on its radars also saw how "presumably the Su-25" was approaching the Boeing, they did not refuse their words.
      civilian operator saw the mark from the Su-25 only after the Boeing disintegration, they have weaker radars.
  23. Vladimir
    Vladimir 19 March 2018 10: 37
    0
    I am sorry for the family, it’s stupid to leave life at this age. Perhaps something was connected with work, no matter how he was the head of the airport.
    1. BLOND
      BLOND 19 March 2018 10: 51
      +1
      non-slaughtered children began to come, not in a dream, but instead of a dream
  24. aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 March 2018 10: 44
    +1
    The alleged perpetrator of the strike on MH17 settled accounts with life in Ukraine
    Ukronatsisty clean up after themselves. Who is next to them?
  25. botsman80
    botsman80 19 March 2018 11: 53
    +1
    In 29 years - the head of the airport in Nikolaev ... they asked me to be silent at first like that, but then decided that it was more reliable in another way ...
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 19 March 2018 12: 01
      +1
      botsman80 Today, 11:53 AM New
      At 29 years old - the head of the airport in Nikolaev ... they asked me to be silent at first like that, but then decided which is different safer...

      That's right. But they will commit suicide, like a ukrobandyuga’s sash of a broken one - he shot himself twice in the head, somehow shot himself ...
  26. Karislav
    Karislav 19 March 2018 12: 06
    0
    BEECH shot down !! Almaz Antey has already proven .. good already.! ......... "In 2014, the media published information that Voloshin was involved in the incident in the Malaysian Boeing. This is an airplane flying to Kuala Lumpur and shot down over the Donbass. "
    1. Pingo
      Pingo 19 March 2018 16: 53
      0
      see above about the Su-25
  27. Karislav
    Karislav 19 March 2018 12: 08
    0
    Initially, the corpses are not fresh, then the Voloshin fighter, then the BUK, then what ???????? Already with the version about Voloshin crap our TFR .... Beech shot down-proved !!!!!
    1. Pingo
      Pingo 19 March 2018 18: 55
      0
      ... and then whose?
  28. shuravi
    shuravi 19 March 2018 12: 13
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    And Israel had. In 1973, Israeli fighters shot down a Libyan airliner over Sinai.
    He went astray on a flight to Cairo in a dust storm. Israel decided that it was an Egyptian kamikaze plane (there was a war with Egypt), which was sent to attack the Dimon reactor.
    The Libyan pilot confused the Israeli fighters with the Egyptian ones and did not understand the command to force landing ... And so on. people died. sad
    Israel, too, denied guilt for 3 of the day, at the 4-th - when the testimony of the dispatchers was published - fully admitted.

    "Where did the MILITARY MILITARY come from?!" ///

    Read the commission report. There about it in great detail:
    and where, and where, and who.


    As I understand it, you are an amateur strategist, and as for the organization of air defense so doubly?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 19 March 2018 12: 18
      0
      Read the report of the Netherlands Commission hi
      1. shuravi
        shuravi 19 March 2018 12: 24
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Read the report of the Netherlands Commission hi


        This is the one in which they once again proved that they are rightfully the drug center of Europe? laughing

        Such is the question for you: what is the main purpose of air defense? bully
      2. vasya.pupkin
        vasya.pupkin 19 March 2018 13: 16
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Read the report of the Netherlands Commission hi

        Holland is the only country in Europe who, in modern history, has managed to return its gold from the Tan / De Gaulle does not count /, therefore, it makes no sense to read the paid report, it’s rotten.
      3. Baloo
        Baloo 19 March 2018 16: 41
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Read the report of the Netherlands Commission hi

        Loklado the experts of the Netherlands can wipe. Trump shooting from satellites and telemetry in Russia and the USA. So far both of them are shy again to excite the public.
    2. Karislav
      Karislav 19 March 2018 12: 18
      0
      "lost course on a flight to Cairo in a dust storm" - a dust storm for 10 km)) ??
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 19 March 2018 12: 31
        0
        A dust storm can be hundreds of square kilometers.
        Wind raises fine sand from the Sahara Desert or
        from the Arabian desert. Everything is in a fog.
        1. shuravi
          shuravi 19 March 2018 12: 50
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          A dust storm can be hundreds of square kilometers.
          Wind raises fine sand from the Sahara Desert or
          from the Arabian desert. Everything is in a fog.


          At 10 000 meters of height? laughing
  29. Karislav
    Karislav 19 March 2018 12: 17
    0
    Who shot down - a plane or a beech can only show a real investigation. - everything is already proven
    1. Pingo
      Pingo 19 March 2018 16: 56
      0
      You should not go to wipe bars either, not only to Dutch, even to Russia
      or you just can’t get out of the Dutch and Ukrainian social networks?
  30. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 19 March 2018 13: 12
    0
    Naturally intentional. Why now? Maybe he told someone too much, so they decided to eliminate the witness / participant.
  31. midshipman
    midshipman 19 March 2018 14: 57
    +1
    In violation of all ICAO standards, the dispatcher (she was a girl at the Dnepropetrovsk airport) was not detained after the crash, and she was sent on vacation by a Kolomoisk Jew. The airport belonged to him.
    According to the rules, they did not hand over all the documentation, did not stop flights, did not send under arrest persons who conducted the liner. My colleagues clearly set forth these violation procedures in an article in the journal "Scientific Herald of the MSTU GA".
    1. Pingo
      Pingo 19 March 2018 17: 00
      0
      how do you know? still secret bully
      Kolomoisky gave in an interview he said “they were mistaken,” he really looks like the Russian government, only anti-aircraft gunners from below can’t make out, and the Su-25 pilot can.
  32. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 19 March 2018 15: 04
    0
    Did you help? The CIA found out that it could give a confession.
    And from below “air-to-air” will reach the Big Airplane and with 6 km of altitude. P-73 in Ukraine in bulk range 20-40 km.
    1. shuravi
      shuravi 19 March 2018 15: 34
      +1
      Quote: pafegosoff
      Did you help? The CIA found out that it could give a confession.
      And from below “air-to-air” will reach the Big Airplane and with 6 km of altitude. P-73 in Ukraine in bulk range 20-40 km.


      Su-Xnumx rises beautifully on Xnumx Xnumx meters.
      1. Pingo
        Pingo 19 March 2018 17: 02
        0
        not only that, he also develops maximum speed there.
        7000 only for Su-25K (TCB) with weak engines so as not to spend extra money and resource.
        1. shuravi
          shuravi 19 March 2018 17: 11
          +1
          Quote: Pingo
          not only that, he also develops maximum speed there.
          7000 only for Su-25K (TCB) with weak engines so as not to spend extra money and resource.



          Here's a video. There it is noticeable on 8600 vertical 4 m / s. Despite the fact that the suspension is not empty.
          1. Pingo
            Pingo 19 March 2018 17: 22
            0
            The VVSU had at least four high-altitude Su-25s with a pressurized cabin up to 16 thousand, for all the others up to 10-12 thousand there was enough oxygen cylinder without a high-altitude suit.
  33. Baloo
    Baloo 19 March 2018 16: 39
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Of course, rocket militia

    So they didn’t have a Beech, but pictures in the internet and a video of transporting a Ukrainian Beech. fool
    1. Pingo
      Pingo 19 March 2018 17: 14
      +1
      But there must be a Russian shooter
      besides this, the rocket’s progress would be easily detected visually by the APU radars and even civilian dispatcher radars, which was the second briefing by the Russian Ministry of Defense
      about the Su-25 was on the first
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 19 March 2018 18: 59
        +1
        Quote: Pingo
        But there must be a Russian shooter
        besides this, the rocket’s progress would be easily detected visually by the APU radars and even civilian dispatcher radars, which was the second briefing by the Russian Ministry of Defense
        about the Su-25 was on the first

        What are we arguing about here? One of the executioners of the Ukrainian people was shot. And let it burn in hell, like these shit-democratizers:
        The aircraft technology of the international coalition led by the United States was engaged in the evacuation of the leaders of the “Islamic State” 1 from the Camishli region. It is reported by the Syrian national agency SANA, citing sources among civilians.
        Civilian sources said three American helicopters landed on Monday in the area between Al Jissi and Kalu villages, about two kilometers south of Tal Khamis Township in the southeastern countryside of Camishli.
        It is noted that the soldiers of the international coalition accompanied four people who lived in a house that was identified as a center for the leaders of the Islamic State. Terrorists of Iraqi nationality aircraft were evacuated in an unknown direction.
        SANA recalls that on February 26, two US helicopters landed in Twain, southeast of the city of al-Shadadi, delivering a number of IG1 terrorists to Sabah al-Kheir, 20 km south of Hasaki, which US forces use as the center for training terrorist groups. The aviation technology of an international coalition led by the United States evacuated the leaders of the “Islamic State” 1 from the Camishli region. It is reported by the Syrian national agency SANA, citing sources among civilians.

        They would rather find their bullet angry Who would doubt the US leadership in the Donbass massacre and such scum as Voloshin am
  34. shuravi
    shuravi 19 March 2018 20: 12
    0
    A few words about the mythical self-propelled guns "Buk" from the militia, allegedly posed by Russia. It could not be an installation, and the militia did not. At least for the banal uselessness.
    Firstly, air defense is always built in accordance with existing threats. And what are the threats from the APU? A few front-line and army aircraft, where for effective counteraction of short-range systems, coupled with MANPADS for the eyes.
    Secondly, contrary to the conviction of liberal ignoramuses, air defense is not called to destroy enemy aircraft (for this, front-line aviation), air defense covers objects, troops from air strikes. And what can a lonely, not even complex Buk missile defense system cover up for?
    Thirdly, the Buk complex is not only a machine with missiles, it is also a radar, and a control center, and launchers. Only in this composition does the complex fully reveal its capabilities. For a minimum cover of LDNR, at least three complexes are needed, otherwise there is no sense in blocking the garden.

    Well, and another important circumstance that speaks in favor of an air attack.
    The rocket of this complex is very loud. Not notice (hear) the launch of it in such a densely populated area of ​​nonsense. I remind you that the crash of the plane came as a surprise and for some time we could not figure out what had fallen.
  35. watchmaker
    watchmaker 20 March 2018 12: 16
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    Ukraine leads started CONSEQUENCE ...... From this statement alone, it’s already ridiculous ....... All that Ukraine is really ready for and all that can do it is dance GOPAK !!!!!! Well, of course, and circus performances, especially recently, all kinds of SHOWs with serious faces, in general in the spirit of clowning (for expensive) ....... laughing
  36. yaros
    yaros 20 March 2018 16: 56
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    I ask one question in all forums, let someone explain the availability of a specialized US intelligence satellite accurate to minutes and in a given limited area of ​​surveillance, do not offer an accident .... And nothing more needs to be proved. The presence of the MO satellite was confirmed at the 1st conference, Boeing was specially sent by dispatchers to this area.