In the Liberal Democratic Party offer to cancel the exam

Deputies from the LDPR faction in the State Duma of the Russian Federation decided to introduce a bill to abolish the Unified State Exam. From the statement of the LDPR press service:

It is proposed to cancel the exam as a graduate and admission to educational institutions of higher education. The USE is proposed to be replaced by state exams, which will be taken by students on educational programs of basic general and secondary general education.

It is noted that today the student’s independent preparation for the USE is practically impossible, just as it is impossible in the framework of regular school hours. It was added that the parents of the student have to resort to the services of tutors, and these services today can not be called cheap.

From the explanatory note:

The cancellation of the USE will allow determining the level of entering universities based on their knowledge and not on the basis of the dubious results of the Unified State Examination, and will allow for a better selection among candidates for admission to educational institutions of higher education.

If we take into account that the Ministry of Education and Science constantly says that “the Unified State Exam has proved its effectiveness”, the proposal of the Liberal Democratic Party against the background that the party leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky is running for president carries a fair share of populism. Although the idea itself, of course, has the right to life in the current conditions of a clear decline in the quality of education in the national average.

Comments

[Vard]

With all the shortcomings, it became much easier for grandfathers to enter prestigious universities ... At one time, his wife was given two dictations for his dictation ... an error in the presentation of the text ... It was impossible to enter the planned one without money ...

[Herculesic]

You didn’t finish it — do you like the abundance of logs coming out of schools and then from universities and really not fit for anything, because only the Soviet system of education gave knowledge? ??

[DEDPIHTO]

And in the party ,, Edro ,, canceled?

[dik-nsk]

Zhirinovsky as a woman with reduced social responsibility - just before the elections against the politics of EP))

[For example]

Quote: Vard

it became much easier for grandfathers to enter prestigious universities ... At one time, two women were put for his dictation for his dictation ...

It's not about Zhirinovsky, but about Russia in ten years. Or we will be surrounded by d. Morons with diplomas of higher education from "prestigious universities". Or literate people will live in the country again.
Now everything is completely from the "prestigious universities". But there are practically no specialists among them. But we write a dictation in two and enter a prestigious university.
It takes 11 years to study at school for five in order to enter a prestigious university and not to make a "mistake of writing a text ...", and not to hire a tutor six months before admission. Do you feel the difference?

[dik-nsk]

and I’m talking about him, who at first voted for the adoption of this law, and then he wants to cancel his populist type ..

[Tatyana]

I support the abolition of the exam in the country!
Stop engaging in meaningless cramming without the concept of a methodological system of scientific knowledge!
Enough of pretending to be in education in schools and releasing excellent students like the gymnasium speaker Nikolai Destyatnichenko from Novy Urengoy who performed in the Bundestag!

[Shurik70]

The problem is that WORLD IS DEVELOPING
Yes, the formalized, limited form of the exam has many drawbacks. The only plus is a single form with the complexity of giving bribes (I’m not saying that you can’t give a bribe or somehow cheat, you can, but more difficult)
The USE is an inevitable stage of development. It’s all the same, if you cancel it, they will return to it again, sooner or later. So DO NOT CANCEL, BUT TO DEVELOP. Greater variety in the choice of answers, an individual approach to questions. To change - it is necessary, to cancel completely - it is impossible.

[gladcu2]

What kind of variety?

There is a topic. All questions on the topic. 30 questions and enough. But the right ones. Without Vpendrezh and deceit.

[alstr]

Yes, the knowledge on which hand was missing from a finger of Ivan Nikiforovich, well, 100% of schoolchildren simply need it.

[Shurik70]

Quote: gladcu2

What kind of variety?

There is a topic. All questions on the topic. 30 questions and enough. But the right ones. Without Vpendrezh and deceit.

30 questions are even many. Enough and 10, if selected individually. It's not about questions, it's about answers. The choice of 3-4 answers is very poor. If the examinee understands the question even a little, he will guess the answer. And it will not be any different from knowing thoroughly.
And modern AI is not yet able to evaluate a free answer, without suggestive clues. So the only way out is an individual selection of questions and a large number of likely answers (moreover, you can choose not one but several)

[Vard]

The wife entered the planned ... passed three exams for five ... and failed at the dictation ... then they said that it was necessary to give money ... I entered the Univer ... for the mechanic ... Who knows, this is knowledge from heaven and the land ... And her sister was simply credited to this planned according to the results of the exam ... Those whose blown results are expelled at the very first session ...

[Skif83]

Cancel EdRo, everything else will fall off by itself, with proper control, of course!

[vlad66]

Zhirik is excited only before the election, the rest of the time he quietly champs at the state feeder in the Duma.

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: vlad66

Zhirik is excited only before the election, the rest of the time he quietly champs at the state feeder in the Duma.

Yah?! He champs quite well now ... What is the point for him to suddenly stop champing?

[dik-nsk]

the only plus from the exam is the ability of a gifted child from some rural wilderness to enter any university, the old system didn’t give it, many people simply don’t have money to go to Moscow and live there for a month

[I am]

And why is a gifted child in a metropolitan university? If it `s not a secret? Why does he feel bad that the university that is in his city ??? NORMAL PARENTS will not drive their child do not understand where only for the sake of the prestige of the university. You need to live and work where you were BORN, there it came in handy. If everyone gifted in the capital leaves then in the province and in the village will remain?

[dik-nsk]

I cited Moscow as an example .. we have places where, in principle, there are no universities, the country is big .. okay, I was lucky - the village near Novosibirsk, calmly acted under that system, but with some Dudinka?

You need to live and work where you were BORN, there it came in handy

Where did I say that? it's about learning and getting a good education, you don’t have to turn it upside down

[nadezhiva]

ABOUT!!!! That’s the whole catch! Send clever non-capital children to a backwoods forest-field-garden. Moscow parents squeal and weep. Muscovite children on the budget became extremely difficult The province is laughing so hard: no one noticed. How many Muscovites won the Olympics? Hold me seven as six certainly will not hold. Now the winners of the Olympiads are the only remaining loophole for Muscovites to get by hook or by crook to a budget place. And, accordingly, the number of winners with a Maaaska registration - scales to disgrace. Highly profitable business, by the way

[Ayratelinsion]

Because no one wants to work for thanks and medals. If the region is a hole, then what is the use of studying at a local university?

[LSA57]

Quote: dik-nsk

the only plus from the exam is the ability of a gifted child from some rural wilderness to enter any university,

It's clear

the old system did not give this, many elementary have no money to get to the same Moscow and live there for a month at the time of receipt

but here it does not fit. the old one didn’t give because there was no money for the road? and new money appeared? pay extra for the exam? completely incomprehensible

[dik-nsk]

but here it does not fit.

everything fits in, for admission I don’t have to go to distant lands, I sent a test and that's it, and then I immediately came to study and settled in a hostel

[LSA57]

Quote: dik-nsk

I sent the test and that’s it, and then I immediately came to study and settled in the hostel

and the exam? It's in school. entrance exam from another opera

[dik-nsk]

???? Are you sure you read the post you are writing under? it was just about entering the university

[LSA57]

Quote: dik-nsk

??? Are you sure you read the post you are writing under? it was just about entering the university

I quote again
[Quote] the only plus from the exam - this is an opportunity for a gifted child from some country backwoods to enter any university [/ quote]
once again the question, what does the exam have to do with it and what role does it play when entering a university?

[dik-nsk]

I quote again

the old system did not give this, many elementary have no money to get to the same Moscow and live there for a month at the time of receipt

USE provides an opportunity to do remotely Well, the element of corruption is minimized, it all depends on the written exam, and not on the selection committee

[nadezhiva]

Do not carry nonsense. In Moscow there is a sea of ​​universities with exactly the same conditions. And no one, even when entering the Moscow State University, MGIMO and the like, does not live a month in Moscow. Send documents, then come for 2-3 days for extra. exam (one additional exam, specialized). A separate story is the universities of the Moscow Region, but the song is the same everywhere in the country, including the capital.

[dik-nsk]

apparently you are talking nonsense or never studied .. I arrived in Novosibirsk in the 90s and was in exams for two weeks .. I was 100 km away from him .. I would like to go to Moscow - my parents did not have the opportunity to buy a ticket and pay accommodation .. under the USE system this is not necessary, just send the docks, this is a big plus for talented children from the outback

[Dedall]

Dear you, our dik-nsk, but now, someone pays a guy from a village for living in such an expensive city like Moscow. Scholarships even for living in a dormitory are not enough. There is, of course, the possibility of “part-time work,” but the pr-on-duty mode after a day will no longer be studying. Therefore, in the capital of nonresident and study only kids rich. Although no, there are still Chechens who receive "tribute" from our good GDP for no reason. Therefore, please, remove the “pink glasses” and call the USE an element of the program to swindle the country's population.

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: dik-nsk

the only plus from the exam is the ability of a gifted child from some rural wilderness to enter any university, the old system didn’t give it, many people simply don’t have money to go to Moscow and live there for a month

The old system did not give this ?! !! It was the old one that gave me, and now you try to send the child to Moscow without money, but with a piece of paper about the USE ...

[Vard]

Whoever wanted to study then and wants to study now ... those are studying ... I recruited third-year students ... and not only by estimates, but also by interviewing ... And now that you will not push through from lawyers and managers .. .and here the exam ...

[CHARM]

Quote: Herkulesich

You didn’t finish it — do you like the abundance of logs coming out of schools and then from universities and really not fit for anything, because only the Soviet system of education gave knowledge? ??

Here the answer is simple — the TEACHER wins the war.

[gladcu2]

Yes, ...

Logs ... You do not understand anything.

The state exam is certainly not bad. Well, you can call it that or USE 2.0.

Education is general knowledge. Just a little and nothing concrete.
The task of education is to teach learning and reduce the level of conflict in society on the basis of the right to have an opinion. There cannot be two correct opinions, which means that it is necessary to make sure that there are no correct ones.

And the last.

There cannot be much knowledge. The exam can be made so that even the best excellence student can fail. Therefore, the applicant must be given volume, a training plan so that he can determine what he needs to prepare.

And further.

It does not matter what level of training a person has. It is important how he can learn. Therefore, the system should lay the required level.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Vard

... do grandfathers в prestigious universities have become much easier ...

I want to prestigious High school !!!
By age ... I’ll come up with a stretch, I'll add myself a couple of years
PS: the Russian language, of course, is great and powerful ... but this weapon, it is that ... double-edged

[Andrey Yuryevich]

In the Liberal Democratic Party offer to cancel the exam

everyone before the Election promises what is not a pity ...

[DEDPIHTO]

In other words, Edro does not promise this, because it is a pity to abandon the production of the electorate, which can only play a guessing game without thinking or asking questions. About ,, LDPR, "everyone has already said.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

who can only play a guessing game without thinking

Try to play this "guessing game" yourself. Tests on the exam is complete in the internet.
Then share your impressions.
I've tried it. The impression ... quite strong, despite the fact that I’m far from working as a janitor

[Hariton laptev]

and you play a guessing game for example in mathematics. Take the exam test for any year and put crosses. So without knowledge it’s pure to guess.

[Ayratelinsion]

Yeah, especially considering that the test part was canceled almost everywhere

[Servisinzhener]

Even in the initial period, when the test part was much larger, for the normal number of points, it was necessary to solve the second part, which is not at all a “guessing game”. And a person capable of randomly solving it correctly could no longer enter a university, but earn a living by playing in the lottery or casino.

[novel66]

great mighty Russian language!

[Alex-a832]

Without irony, then the Soviet and post-Soviet generations to get into a prestigious university will be problematic. If you do not take into account the populist cliches about the abolition of the USE, then this is far from the “guessing game” that it was 10-15 years ago. My daughter just entered a prestigious university a couple of years ago. I barely passed the points - and this is not on the budget. The budget is generally gloomy. Now another daughter approached the exam. The exam level for them is such that you will hand over figs if you do not study. According to the old school curriculum of the Soviet period, when I was studying, I could take a chance in a couple of months to “remember everything”. Under the program of the current exam, I will not have enough half a year, just to pass.
You can, of course, improve the system, but replacing one with another will permanently mix the whole system into a mess.
By the way, it is the Unified State Examination that allows minimizing corruption when entering a university. Bring back the old system and there will be darkness.

[LSA57]

Quote: Golovan Jack

PS: the Russian language, of course, is great and powerful ... but this weapon, it is that ... double-edged

so much more powerful

[DEDPIHTO]

Apparently this is Vovochkin’s work ... well, from jokes. What did you think?

[LSA57]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

What did you think?

as the teacher

[Svarog51]

Sergey, welcome

as the teacher

Compare the handwriting of the student and "teacher." This student is PR.

[LSA57]

Hi
Can't you get it?

[Svarog51]

Can't you get it?

It is possible and necessary! A world without humor becomes dull.

[LSA57]

Quote: Svarog51

A world without humor becomes dull.

that's it

[NKT]

And why did the teacher put two, and even with a minus, and not a unit? It’s evident that I still liked something

[LSA57]

Quote: NKT

It’s evident that I still liked something

decor

[NKT]

I think she did not like the image scale and the lack of axonometric projection of the subject

[LSA57]

Quote: NKT

I think she did not like the image scale and the lack of axonometric projection of the subject

and without a condom

[NKT]

Well, there is clearly a lack of comprehensive parenting. You need to drive your child to museums more often, in particular, you can immediately see the gap in terms of visiting the Pushkin Museum, the Greek Hall.

[LSA57]

Quote: NKT

You need to drive your child to museums more often, in particular, you can immediately see the gap in terms of visiting the Pushkin Museum, the Greek Hall.

well, or google in the internet. word in search engine, "fuse"

[BecmepH]

Quote: LSA57

Quote: NKT

It’s evident that I still liked something

decor

Not. Just legs had to draw on the balls. That would be more realistic.

[BAI]

it became much easier for grandfathers to enter prestigious universities.

Where to go? There are no budget places, or they now have such a competition - up to 1500 (XNUMX) per place! And for commercial places the exam is not needed.

[Servisinzhener]

The exam is only a means of measuring knowledge. As a ruler, the measuring instrument is long, and we are offered to replace the ruler with the measuring length in centimeters, with the ruler measuring at the vertices.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Vard

With all the shortcomings do grandfathers в prestigious Universities

It can be seen that they did not enter the university correctly, there are enough errors, and so on.))))

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: Vard

With all the shortcomings, it became much easier for grandfathers to enter prestigious universities ... At one time, his wife was given two dictations for his dictation ... an error in the presentation of the text ... It was impossible to enter the planned one without money ...

If your wife wrote a dictation with the same number of mistakes as yours, then she got a deuce correctly, and there is nothing to do with the absence of a bribe.
PS Actually, there is a huge difference between the words "easier" and "better." And more often it happens that the better way is the harder one. Who is striving for what ...

[Reserve buildbat]

The Ministry of Education and Science is telling the truth. Unified State Examination has proven its effectiveness in fooling children. Making them stupid consumers with amazing efficiency.

[Alexander 3]

It is high time to cancel and return to the old form of exams as in the USSR.

[novel66]

the entire northern Caucasus in Moscow universities

[I am]

Yes. In college, in the first year, during class, the girl touches the next chair, she is shocked, she screams. like I got an electric shock. I ask, do you know why you were shocked? Do you know physics? no, I don’t know, she says - we are lawyers, physics is unnecessary to us. I’m telling her, it’s not a chair that shocked you - it’s a static discharge that has slipped from you. No - you urgently need to call an electrician. You have wrong chairs here !!!!

[Herculesic]

Still would put Wolfovich Minister of Education (not to be confused with circumcision )!

[Cxnumx]

I do not like the exam, but this is complete nonsense

It is added that the student’s parents have to resort to the services of tutors, and today these services cannot be called cheap.

as if earlier the graduates / applicants did not know about them.

[Prometey]

Quote: K0

but this is complete nonsense

No, not nonsense. Tutors were not hired to pass final exams. For admission to universities - yes.

[Cxnumx]

Quote: Prometey

No, not nonsense. Tutors were not hired to pass final exams. For admission to universities - yes.

no, they hired. it just depended on how well the student knew the subject and how they closed their eyes to the cheating of the teacher. just now (in fact, due to the combination of one with the other), it has become more striking in the eye.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: K0

no, they hired. it just depended on how well the student knew the subject and how they closed their eyes to the cheating of the teacher.

there was everything, what was already there ... someone “triple” arranged for, and someone “four” - like a sickle .... there also parents realized their ambitions in children, and now it’s the same. but still the previous exams are not for you to “put a cross on the contrary to the correct answer ...”.

[Ayratelinsion]

Grandfather, if you are so principled, you should at least look at the new exam. Find where "just cross" - well done

[Ayratelinsion]

And the fact that the final and entrance exams have united you does not bother?

[UA3QHP]

Graduation and exam are different exams.

[demo]

If we take into account that the Ministry of Education and Science constantly says that “the Unified State Exam has proved its effectiveness”, the proposal of the Liberal Democratic Party against the background that the party leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky is running for president carries a fair share of populism. Although the idea itself, of course, has the right to life in the current conditions of a clear decline in the quality of education in the national average.
And Vladimir Volfovich promised - to every peasant a bottle of vodka, and to every woman a sober peasant.
"A fair share of populism" is too soft and diplomatic. LDPR is continuous populism amid overt pragmatism. It is convenient to sit in the State Duma, not to do a damn thing, and to shout and declare nonsense once every four years.

[gavrila2984]

And what can you say before the election?

[samarin1969]

More than carefully watched the exam and as a teacher and as a father. The exam is definitely better than exams. Here, much is in the hands of the student. It is very convenient to get the results of the Unified State Examination, and with these results to submit documents to different universities and on information services to monitor the place of ratings, make a decision.
In any exam system, the student himself plays a decisive role. And if a lazy person and an unorganized person - then there is nothing "to blame for the mirror (USE)."

[Archivist Vasya]

And the fact that the Soviet education system was the best you do not take into account? Personally, my friends are all against the exam. Or are those cases when in Chechnya schoolchildren who speak Russian badly scored 100 points is normal? They just were not lazy and did a lot of work, yes ...

[gladcu2]

Archivist

Do you even understand what the Soviet education system was better.

These are the standards. Which were unchanged from west to east. And no private education. Because honest education is nonsense, nonsense.

[Archivist Vasya]

What do you want to say, what does private education have to do with it?

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

half solution. in addition to the abolition of the Unified State Examination, we also need a Soviet (more physicist and mathematician, less "God's words") education program. And the teachers imprisoned for this are already very old, and they won’t be able to cope with modern cattle at their desks.

[I am]

Could if such rights give. And now the teacher is powerless and his students do not respect him and not be afraid. but they must !!!

[Valid benchmark]

Absolutely right. One cancellation of the exam is no longer solved. Only a complete return to the Soviet system of education. But there are no more opportunities for this. Yes, and this is not necessary in consumer society. So it's a dead end.

[Lynx33]

Typical election populism. It is not the Unified State Examination that needs to be abolished, but a radical reform of the entire education system in Russia, from kindergarten to universities and the Academy of Sciences. And no matter how you name the exam, without it you still can’t do it, you just need to somehow control the learning process.

[Altona]

When the dead-end technology of education was already wound up in full swing, it was implemented everywhere, the former rational methods seem populism. Although this new technology is expensive and does not provide quality education.

[faiver]

it’s clear that the populism of pure water, it’s clear that the ege must be abolished, but remembering that the Kremlin announces controversial ideas through the Zhirik, it inspires some optimism, you will see a year and a half later and the darkest will make an offer .... we’ll hope

[bald]

We bring up - not that and only one bazaars. Someone recently correctly said (not verbatim): "... homeless people who studied in the old way are not comparable to mental development, students under the USE program, specially introduced to stupid Russia." (Except of course there is, but do not flatter yourself).

[Non liberoid Russian]

a couple came to me somehow in the fall ... after school and vocational schools ... they began to work less now only when the old people kicked, mounted at least some knowledge into the head, and not what it was after cramming USE tickets ... even an ordinary fuse could not be calculated in a car

[Ayratelinsion]

Just go to vocational schools a priori stupid

[Non liberoid Russian]

I would not say ... there are just lazy but with brains

[gukoyan]

It’s time, this ege is complete nonsense, and what the Soviet education system did not please ...

[gladcu2]

Because socialism exploits the education system, and capitalism does not need this.

Since capitalism exploits greed and ignorance.

[tank66]

The exam is only a profile of the eggs of the "Bologna system" since 2003. Its objectives / as it should be under capitalism / 1. tactical: to create a market for educational services, an eternal student / as in the USA / with educational loans, undergraduate / undergraduate / with carrots, that Russian diplomas will go down in Europe; 2. Strategic: to make the tower inaccessible to most of the population, respectively, lowering Russia in the scientific part.

[Hariton laptev]

Let's give the opportunity to cut bribes from school to university. Strings of parents with envelopes will be drawn to teachers at school, but how to pass the exam well, and your beloved child is not particularly eager to study. Then you need to take the envelope to the university to receive the child. So how to decide whether or not the child will be again uncles and aunts sitting in the commission. At how the level of education will rise. Children from childhood will learn how to put on their paws.
"The abolition of the Unified State Examination will allow us to determine the level of applicants to universities based on their knowledge, and not on the basis of the dubious results of the Unified State Examination, and will allow for better selection among candidates for admission to educational institutions of higher education"
Complete stupidity. to solve the Unified State Exam in mathematics, you need to solve it, which means you need real knowledge, the same thing with physics and chemistry. In Soviet times, there was also a written exam in mathematics, the same tasks requiring solutions. So all the same, knowledge is needed. But what will appear is direct contact between the examiner and the examiner. So the assessment will still depend not only on knowledge, but also how your uncle or aunt will look at you, he will also like your clothes, haircut, girls’s skirt length and perfume. and in the end, knowledge may not even recede into the background, but into the background. Well, the last cancellation of the exam will give rise to a competition of parents' wallets, and parents of applicants from the province will not be able to compete with the wallets of the capital’s parents. So, once again, talented children from the province will sit on the ass exactly. So what's the benefit ??? Or maybe it's just to get the kids to study ???? and normally pass the exam ???

[I am]

If there is no knowledge, then skirts and perfumes will not work. But if there is knowledge but there is shyness. confusion and stuff. then a good teacher who takes the exam will never drown, but rather leading questions and comments will give confidence to the student (student) and will reveal even what the student himself forgot. And besides, the student will remember all this and will never forget !!! And this is training, not educational services!

[UA3QHP]

Yeah, leading questions in the competition 10 people in place. Guiding questions arose only for those who brought the envelope or called from the right place.
For these, now come up with a "target set."
USE is the right idea, implementation is gradually improving.
The quality of teaching in universities is a separate topic, which does not depend on the exam.

[FID]

In fact, it is better to abolish the LDPR ... Hassle less and more benefits ...

[gavrila2984]

So they all run to EP. The law of conservation of deputies in the Duma.

[andrej-shironov]

And where was the LDPR when the exam was introduced? Now it makes no sense to twitch! Everyone understands that your steam is a hoot for advertising.

[Hariton laptev]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

a couple came to me somehow in the fall ... after school and vocational schools ... they began to work less now only when the old people kicked, mounted at least some knowledge into the head, and not what it was after cramming USE tickets ... even an ordinary fuse could not be calculated in a car

So the claims are likely to the level of education in vocational schools that there is so well prepared for you specialist. But this will already be a conversation not about the exam and its need, but to the level of professional training. Here, yes, there was no better Soviet system of vocational training in the world.

[Million]

Pure populism!

[AKsvlad047]

Finally, the results (in the form of uneducated young personnel) of their bad idea of ​​the transition of Soviet education to the Bologna system of education reach the top. It is not necessary to save our dear people's representatives on education and Russia will not have problems in the future. If all of you and experts have established that the Soviet system of education was the best, then we need to restore it. And in general, learn not to harm your country !!! What works and works well does not need to reform and cut people's money under these reforms !!!

[olegator]

These ur_ody want to cut off people from education? You do not cancel the exam, and return the education! This is the task. If you return the exams now, no one will be able to pass them, and therefore a whole generation will drop out of the educational process, and this will come back in 15-20 years with some a-maidan of the empty-headed generation. It is necessary to return the Soviet education system as a minimum, and as a maximum, to take into account the experience of additional, postgraduate and professional education. Moreover, this should not be done without a sweeping wave of checkers. The formation of an education system is a very long process. For this, it is necessary to prepare personnel (4-5 years), and to offer a decent salary, and they need to gain experience (again 4-5 years). There is probably no more perverted party than the LDPR in our near-political garbage dump ... They always carry any hren, led by their permanent "leader."

[Archivist Vasya]

USE canceled just necessary !!! The whole education system was stolen with these tests ...

[Vard]

The main source of negativity about the exam ... those who used to profit from exams ... both at school and in universities ...

[Servisinzhener]

I am against the abolition of the exam. Because its abolition will not affect the level of education. The exam is just a way of testing knowledge. And if the school curriculum gives a low level, then changing the method of verification we will not increase the level of education. To increase the level you need to change the school curriculum. And behind the cancellation lobby are people who will take final exams at school and entrance exams at the university. And those who seek to return those blessed days when they brought them for admission. A significant advantage of the exam is that a smart child from the province can go to a prestigious university. And about 100 balniks from the Caucasus, I recall the Soviet joke with its final phrase. This is not a ram, but a gift. Baran is studying in Moscow.

[alstr]

The question whether it is necessary to cancel the exam or not is a wrong question.

Here it is necessary to break the problem into several:
1. Actually testing knowledge and its completeness.
Here, the exam, as one tool, is quite appropriate. Further, you can talk about complexity, adequacy, etc. But as one of the tools - yes, of course. But the exam should not be the only such tool, because there is no creativity in the Unified State Examination and for its passage more mechanical memorization is needed than understanding of learned knowledge. And it is precisely this mechanics that is the main problem that must be solved.
In principle, here you can try to solve this problem using AI, i.e. translate the exam into a fully computerized form, where there is no hard-coded questionnaire / tasks, but there is a certain algorithm that throws up additional questions on the problems solved. Those. First, we solve a certain set of problems, and then, depending on the result, the AI ​​tries to find out additional questions whether the testee understands the relationship of knowledge.

2. The identification of talented children with the help of the exam is not possible in principle, because not intended for this. The exam can reveal a well-trained child, but not talented (I would add a child who is still passionate about something here).

The example is simple, my cousin is not friends with a mathematician (she is not interested in him), but she is well versed in cars and has been repairing her father’s car since 8 years old. Naturally, he did not enter the engineering profile university, but could grow up as a pretty decent automobile engineer.

There are many similar examples.
Therefore, to revive admission to universities according to the results of All-Russian Olympiads (or technical competitions) to specialized universities or to specialized specialties.

3. The education system itself.
In this sense, I am impressed by the system described by Andrey Koshchienko in the fourth book
(link http://samlib.ru/k/koshienko_a_g/kniga3.shtml, read chapter 3). Of course, one can disagree in detail with some statements, but on the whole the problem is noticed very correctly.

There is talk about the South Korean education system. In particular, about a large number of suicides and the desire to enter the most prestigious universities.

Let me give a quote from this chapter (there is a conversation between GG on a talk show on the topic of education):
“There is such an expression: generals are always preparing for the last war. Compared to generals, parents and especially teachers are even greater brakes!
- Eeee ...? - With a questioning intonation, the studio delivers a voice.
- Yes! - I affirm, - Today's parents raise their children today. When they think that their children should feel good, they look around, analyze the surrounding reality and from this draw conclusions about what to teach them, what not to teach, where to direct. But at the same time, few of them think that by the time their children grow up, today will be yesterday's day for them!
- Hmm ... - those present are thinking.
“But, even to parents,” I continue my speech, “the school will give a lot of points ahead, which today is preparing children not even for yesterday, but for tomorrow!” Already seventy percent of what children learn at school is irrelevant, not to mention the future! "

Based on such assumptions, a return to the Soviet education system is completely impossible, because it is just out of date. But here it is definitely necessary to take the best of this system, but at the same time introduce new teaching methods that, by the fact that the pace of life and change has changed a lot and will continue to change.

Plus, we have (in comparison with South Korea) a big problem - our territory and uneven development.
In Soviet times, it was partially, but decided by the distribution system. Now this is not, and even highly trained (this is most likely not the case, but it is believed so) graduates of the leading (read prestigious) universities remain in the cities of these universities. In addition, the most active part of these graduates is trying to move to a larger city.
And this leads to the fact that we get an even greater concentration of specialists in several places.
Of course, there are centers where they understand this and create conditions for specialists immediately learned to remain in place, but these are only rare centers. Alas.

Those. There is a nearby problem of more uniform development of the country. At the same time, it is looped. Development requires specialists - condition specialists - conditions require specialists.

From this a simple conclusion follows that a coordinated program of the country's development and the development of education is needed. In the same vein, it would be useful to recall distribution. But that was immediately known in advance where and how much is needed. Then there will be an opportunity to motivate students with a choice depending on academic performance, i.e. There are 15 graduates and 15 places. Accordingly, the best in academic performance are chosen first.

4. In addition, we see that the volume of knowledge is increasing (in the post-war years, compulsory education increased from 7 to 11 grades, that is, the volume of teaching increased by 4 years) and continues to increase.
It will not be possible to give fully increasing knowledge in the same volume. In addition, not all knowledge will be needed by everyone in such a volume.
Therefore, echoing the previous paragraph, reform is needed. I see it like this:
1. Elementary school. All in the same volume.
2. High school (up to grade 9). Here, children receive basic knowledge in subjects without going into details. Moreover, in the 8th and 9th grades (maybe even earlier), career guidance is needed, where children would be given a wide range of opportunities for self-realization. Here you can offer tests for inclinations, etc.

3. Secondary special school. School with a mandatory selected bias. Subjects that are not included in the specialization are taught in general terms. Some (for example, the Russian language can be left only for repetition, and complete the study in high school) to leave subjects only for consolidation and repetition of knowledge.

Those. in fact, the current 10 and 11 grades should become the basis for preparing for the chosen university

4. High school.
There are no changes here. I would only transfer subjects like physical education, a foreign language, philosophy, etc. to electives. (for those who do not have this main specialization)

[UA3QHP]

If the child has problems with mathematics, and at the age of 8, he repairs cars, then he has nothing to do at the university, vocational school is our choice, if later it grows up as a self-taught mechanic, it is PLUS.
An engineer without mathematics cannot be.

[alstr]

And an engineer with mathematics, but without hands as it is, is also not a fountain. IMHO.
Then you forget that now it is full of settlement programs that make the settlement part faster than a person. Yes, knowledge of the basic principles of mathematics is necessary for an engineer, but with the advent of desktop computers and programs for calculating, knowledge of mathematics is not very good, because all tasks solved by engineers are calculated.

Moreover, if you look at the history of our country, when a product was created with one design bureau, and then exact calculations were made by mathematicians.

There are other examples. How about math without physics? Well, why is a mathematician a physicist?

[Sma11]

Quote: Ua3qhp

If the child has problems with mathematics, and at 8 years, he repairs cars, then he has nothing to do at the university, vocational school is our choice, if later he grows up as a self-taught mechanic, it is PLUS. An engineer cannot go without mathematics.

The child has problems with a math teacher, not a math. And mathematics, as well as physics and chemistry, are needed to understand (study) other engineering disciplines (termeh, soprmat, etc., etc.).

[seacap]

It was not for this that they destroyed the entire system of education and upbringing in order to abolish it, not for that they brought up several generations of “advanced consumers” in order to restore everything and make Russia great again. Never has the metropolis in its colonies developed a system of education and upbringing, culture and national identity, they do not need creative and creative personalities. And depriving the people of creators, designers, scientists, engineers and professional workers, they deprive the future of this country and the prospects for its restoration and development.

[seacap]

Quote: Vard

With all the shortcomings, it became much easier for grandfathers to enter prestigious universities ... At one time, his wife was given two dictations for his dictation ... an error in the presentation of the text ... It was impossible to enter the planned one without money ...

Quote: Vard

With all the shortcomings, it became much easier for grandfathers to enter prestigious universities ... At one time, his wife was given two dictations for his dictation ... an error in the presentation of the text ... It was impossible to enter the planned one without money ...

Now look at what kind of habzayki and their rating in the world education system are and what kind of specialists they started to graduate, “effective managers”, bachelors and doctors. If it was earlier and more difficult to do, it was more difficult to study, as a result, we got a highly qualified specialist, almost ready to create and work independently.

[Siberian 1975]

This is how many generations of the ignoramus had time to release before it reached.

[gm9019]

Quote: Sibiryak 1975

This is how many generations of the ignoramus had time to release before it reached.

And they will, they will release further! For, "we do not need the smart - we need the faithful!" (with)

[Romanenko]

They will not cancel, of course, but the proposal itself is significant.
Usually, before the election, candidates propose to save the population from something that does not allow people to live in peace and normal.
In my opinion, the abolition of the Unified State Examination is a very strong electoral move, this rubbish has already got everyone !!!
The exam is just one of the elements of the legalization of corruption in our country, it is time to destroy it and strictly ask the organizers and inspirers.
Although even after that I won’t go to vote for Zhirik!

[earloop]

That's right .. It’s a long time ago to cancel the ege. What about easy entry to prestigious universities? - In prestigious universities, in order to obtain and master knowledge, you need a desire and the ability to study and, most importantly, learn how to apply the knowledge gained in your future work in the specialty you have received. Unfortunately, "All the guys! It's not like that. It's not like that."

[UA3QHP]

And besides everything else, parents who bring where necessary.
Look at the names of students at MGIMO, solid geniuses.

[UA3QHP]

Well, the children of the modern elite in technical and honey. universities are not torn.
He studies hard and works hard for more or less decent salaries.

[gladcu2]

Colleague

Education does not apply. Education is used for quick training in narrow specialties.

They do not become an engineer, project manager, immediately after university.

Dozens of years will pass before there will be an opportunity to be independent.

[gladcu2]

Capitalism exploits a primitive morality: deceit, meanness, mercantile spirit, ignorance, cowardice, fear, envy.

Socialism exploits the education system.

Therefore, education must be systemic and correct.

[gm9019]

I’ll also insert my “20 kopecks”.
If you take, as before, 7 (seven) required exams at school, then, believe me, the result will be higher!
1. We must form a "single picture of the world", and not choose in the store what is needed and what is not needed. 2. Specialization (profile training) to leave in a number of schools. This is for those who have already decided on the choice of profession. But still pass all 7 exams, the profile is deeper.
3. There is such a thing as intersubject communications, without them - nowhere. How to solve problems in physics and chemistry without mathematics? How to track the development of science without knowledge of history? Etc. Therefore, subjects must be studied - all and in sufficient volume.
That is, I - for a single textbook and a single program.
Just never allow it - the exam is also a feeder, and more voluminous! A bunch of benefits, options, "rooks" - it's all money. And they are reprinted every year! We throw out old ones, we buy new ones ...
School books, even if in my subject, cannot be watched without tears - they were written by people who in their life did not give a single lesson !. Who approved them? What merit?
So the USE has sprouted its roots and is so powerful that hardly anyone dares to change all this.
There will be a howl about overloading students, about the impossibility of educating everyone (especially children with "developmental disabilities"!) .... but how many reasons are there to not do this ?!
Sorry for the "many bukaf"

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: from article

If we take into account that the Ministry of Education and Science constantly says that "the Unified State Examination has proved its effectiveness," the LDPR proposal, against the background of the fact that the party leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky is running for president, carries a fair share of populism.

If someone (for the sake of populism? Or what difference?) Manages to abolish the Unified State Exam, juvenile artists and collectors, then the people of this populist will carry on their hands.

[Hiller]

I support! To take knowledge of the Russian language is a disaster !!! (spelling, syntax cease to exist). What is the speech ??? .... "My spelling is lame. It’s correct for me, but for some reason it’s lame."