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India: Why do we need F-35 if for it we have neither ammunition nor tankers? ..

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The Indian press is actively discussing US statements on the advancement of F-35B carrier-based fighters for the Indian Navy. Previously, an indirect interest in considering cooperation with the United States on the acquisition of F-35B in exchange for the creation of production facilities for assembling F-16 in India was discussed in New Delhi.


Today in one of the largest Indian prints The Hindustan Times An article was published by Abhijit Ayer-Mitra, a leading researcher at the Conflict Studies Institute, and Angad Singh, deputy director of the Indian project Adhir. The article with a fair amount of skepticism tells about whether India needs fifth-generation American deck fighters. The authors of the material point out that it is not enough just to buy several F-35B from the USA - you will have to additionally build the entire infrastructure of the Navy for the operation of these particular combat vehicles.

India: Why do we need F-35 if for it we have neither ammunition nor tankers? ..


As an example, the situation with the iPhone X, which can be bought, but given the fact that he can not provide the user, for example, access to social networks and various other Internet services, is given.

From the material of Indian experts:
When buying an F-35, we will not be able to provide even their elementary refueling in the air, since, due to technical features, our air tankers will not be able to interact with these American planes. F-35 also will not be able to provide ground services through existing data channels. Moreover, we will have to change the recognition system "friend-foe", like all radio communication equipment. It is logical that almost none of the weapons that are in service with the Indian Armed Forces are compatible with the F-35 functionality. And this means that we will have to spend huge amounts of additional funds on ammunition, which will further complicate our already complicated logistics.


The authors of the article also state that when you buy F-35, India definitely will not receive any technologies under the contract.

From the material:
Despite the fact that this is an ideal air assassin, India cannot control it on its own, including even such utilitarian issues as updating the database of the combat monitoring and control system. We will have to send important data that US intelligence will be happy to analyze.


Further, the authors again return to the analogy with the "iPhone":
Imagine that you need an iPhone X, Macbook or iPad, but in our case we will have to negotiate with the manufacturer to add Samsung Galaxy screen, Nokia elements to it, and also configure it to work with Windows and Android. And what guarantees for such a “miracle technique” will the manufacturer ultimately give?


The submission says that it is not necessary to speculate about buying the same F-35 from the United States against the background of the fact that many of the control parameters of the Air Force and Navy borrowed from Russia. It is noted that the United States themselves will not go for such a deal, as they are confident that Russia will be able to “hack” systems that can tell a lot about the technologies used to create F-35.

From the material:
In general, the F-35 is a brilliant aircraft that will either destroy our budget or destroy our operational capabilities that have been created for decades with very high political costs. Therefore, any talk about its acquisition is deeply erroneous and incredibly dangerous.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 12 March 2018 20: 01
    +15
    India: Why do we need F-35 if for it we have neither ammunition nor tankers? ..
    That’s the whole problem, is it worth India to buy the F-35 and no place, no money for the Indian version of the Su-57, they will no longer have ...
    The authors of the article also state that when you buy F-35, India definitely will not receive any technologies under the contract.
    But why? India will receive them, in twenty years, but will receive ...
    From the material:
    Despite the fact that this is an ideal air assassin, India cannot control it on its own, including even such utilitarian issues as updating the database of the combat monitoring and control system. We will have to send important data that US intelligence will be happy to analyze.
    So not only that, Americans will be able to remotely disable or block some systems and they do not hide it.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 12 March 2018 20: 08
      +8
      But it’s interesting, if Indian politicians are bent, what will they say? And the ammunition will be bought and that’s all. These are also “girls on the panel” .. And do not consider them a princess on a pea. They are bought and sold.
      Quote: svp67
      India: Why do we need F-35 if for it we have neither ammunition nor tankers? ..
      That’s the whole problem, is it worth India to buy the F-35 and no place, no money for the Indian version of the Su-57, they will no longer have ...
      The authors of the article also state that when you buy F-35, India definitely will not receive any technologies under the contract.
      But why? India will receive them, in twenty years, but will receive ...
      From the material:
      Despite the fact that this is an ideal air assassin, India cannot control it on its own, including even such utilitarian issues as updating the database of the combat monitoring and control system. We will have to send important data that US intelligence will be happy to analyze.
      So not only that, Americans will be able to remotely disable or block some systems and they do not hide it.
      1. svp67
        svp67 12 March 2018 20: 10
        +11
        Quote: 210ox
        These are the same "girls on the panel" ..

        More than ... their corruption flourishes on well-manicured soil.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 12 March 2018 20: 40
          +2
          And what gouging exclusive .. wassat
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: 210ox
          These are the same "girls on the panel" ..

          More than ... their corruption flourishes on well-manicured soil.
          1. svp67
            svp67 12 March 2018 20: 44
            +8
            Quote: 210ox
            And what gouging exclusive ..

            SIR Traditions
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 12 March 2018 20: 53
          +23
          Sergey, hi !
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: 210ox
          These are the same "girls on the panel" ..

          More than ... corruption is blooming on well-groomed soil.
          Are you talking about Sacred Cows? lol Duc there is not only cows ... I saw it myself - an Indian goes along the street, sat down, did ALL things, got up and went on. And NOBODY even paid attention .. They just bypassed the tiniest ... I stand in a stupor - I arrived on a business trip for two days. The men who served me more there say: "Ayda! laughing You’ll serve here for a month - you won’t see it yet ... "I saw in two and a half months their" cemetery "on the banks of Their Great River ... Once upon a time I was eating crocodile meat in Laos - after this spectacle, the attitude towards crocodiles is a little more squeamish than to sloppy cats ... So THAT India is -
          That's right...
          1. Monos
            Monos 12 March 2018 21: 44
            +5
            Alexey, hello! hi
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            So THAT India

            And in the pictures everything is so beautiful ... laughing
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 12 March 2018 23: 29
              +20
              Victor, hi !
              Quote: Monos
              And in the pictures everything is so beautiful ...

              Pictures are even more beautiful ... Only pictures do not convey the smell, fortunately ... Do not forget, Victor, that colognes were invented by the French, in the days of d'Artagnan, who had a bath once a year was considered normal. A French bath up to the 18th century is to wipe yourself with a damp sponge, by the way ... In the Louvre, they shit on the stairs - why go far? What does colognes have to do with it? Yes, to muffle other smells ...
              Now back to India. Who does not know the famous Indian incense ??? Yes, Victor, you understood the parallel correctly .... The stench drowned by sandalwood, clouds of flies and other vile things, from hygiene - dipping into the Sacred River, into which thousands of half-burned remains are thrown (burned - units, because Sacred Firewood is incredibly expensive) .... This is India.
              By the way, I have absolutely nothing against our gypsies, but they position themselves as direct relatives of the Indians. And Budulai with Emil Loteanu stand aside and nervously smoke bamboo, looking at REAL India ....
              PS We even boiled water for swimming and the locals looked at us as abnormal when we built a bathhouse from an army tent and built a heater in it ... I arrived home, damn it, as if I had got into a sterile operating room ...
          2. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 12 March 2018 22: 03
            +4
            Father told me that in the 30 years the Uzbeks on the streets were so relieved. Asia-s. By the 40 years they had unlearned this, but I don’t know how it is now.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 12 March 2018 23: 40
              +12
              Quote: Aviator_
              Father told me that in the 30 years the Uzbeks on the streets were so relieved. Asia-s. By the 40 years they had unlearned this, but I don’t know how it is now.

              In 70-80's this was not, this time. And the second - then, it means that there were no Uzbeks. To increase the general intellectual level, I read some basics of the Muslim faith. Such trifles are very clearly defined there. Even, I would say, too clearly. And the Uzbek may not be 300% true, but these things are a centuries-old tradition, it is in blood, like a clean right and unclean left hand. It goes automatically. As for the bath, of course, they are also a little taut, but the Uzbeks, at least, wash their hands before eating. And India is scary for an unprepared person. AND THESE HANDS to hold RUS F-35 ???????????????????
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 13 March 2018 08: 45
                +1
                Uzbeks. I wrote that by the 40 years this had disappeared. Only such a medical fact: a couple of years ago, observing the area of ​​the Moscow Region regional center from the bus window, I saw that a representative of the migrant workers did this near the bus stop. True, no one was at the bus stop or around, which makes her some small plus. Therefore, I am not sure that this tradition has not revived again.
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 13 March 2018 08: 51
                  +6
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  Uzbeks. I wrote that by the 40 years this had disappeared. Only such a medical fact: a couple of years ago, observing the area of ​​the Moscow Region regional center from the bus window, I saw that a representative of the migrant workers did this near the bus stop. True, no one was at the bus stop or around, which makes her some small plus. Therefore, I am not sure that this tradition has not revived again.

                  So the USSR has already been gone for so many years ... Weaned from Allah, and they could have forgotten civilization over the past 27 years ...
                2. Glory1974
                  Glory1974 13 March 2018 10: 23
                  0
                  I grew up in Central Asia, before the beginning of the 90-ies, both Uzbeks and Kyrgyz came to the river, soaped themselves, without even undressing completely, dived and voila - washing was done.
                  To my question: "what about in winter?"
                  answer: "And how much is this winter" laughing
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 13 March 2018 01: 07
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        . And do not consider them a princess on a pea. They are bought and sold.

        So yes, but there’s another point:
        It is noted that the United States will not agree to such a deal, as it is certain that Russia will be able to “crack” systems that can tell a lot about the technologies used to create the F-35.
        Because of what then, in fact, noise? request And yes, haven't they already broken? laughing
        1. Romanov novel
          Romanov novel 13 March 2018 13: 26
          +1
          What is there to break. Their F-35, this is our modified Yak-141, the drawings of which Boriska ordered to give Lockheed with a good hand for review as a sign of trust.
    2. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don 12 March 2018 20: 19
      +9
      The problem of the Indians is that they randomly buy weapons around the world. Despite the fact that they will never need these weapons. The same new generation aircraft without a ground-based target tracking structure in the air and highly skilled pilots are nothing more than exhibits for exhibitions.
      1. emwave
        emwave 12 March 2018 20: 35
        0
        And there is no feeling that they are collecting different technologies around the world?
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 12 March 2018 21: 02
          +6
          Quote: emwave
          And there is no feeling that they are collecting different technologies around the world?

          There is. They are going to fall from this mortal land.
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 12 March 2018 20: 58
        +11
        Quote: ancestors from the Don
        The problem of the Indians is that they randomly buy weapons around the world.

        Have you ever encountered the "artistic taste" of our gypsies? This is a bit different from what Emil Lotyanu showed us ... The basic principle is “to shine and look rich”. And functionality is the tenth thing ...
        Quote: ancestors from the Don
        they will never need this weapon
    3. RASKAT
      RASKAT 12 March 2018 20: 21
      +1
      Why do we need this piece of G .... if instead you can buy three SU-35?
    4. CHARM
      CHARM 12 March 2018 20: 23
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      and no place, no money for the Indian version of the Su-57 they will no longer have ...

      It will not exist anyway on the conditions that the Indians dream of, namely the transfer of technology and production on their territory.
      1. svp67
        svp67 12 March 2018 20: 35
        +5
        Quote: OBEREG
        Namely, the transfer of technology and production on their territory.

        Will be. With one clarification, partial transfer of technology and gradual localization in production. They are already collecting Su-30
        1. CHARM
          CHARM 12 March 2018 21: 55
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          Will be. With one clarification, partial transfer of technology and gradual localization in production.

          Will not be. Secret fighter. The Su-30 was transmitted because the SU-27 was studied along and across. Do not align your finger with what you understand. Even our party was going to make a spark in a truncated version for the Indians on its territory. Hindus do not even go for it ... they want a complete package of all technologies and assembly on their territory. Only their ears from a dead donkey, not technology.
          Why are the states not only manufacturing, but even selling the Raptor not organized to their allies did not wonder?
          1. svp67
            svp67 13 March 2018 04: 31
            0
            Quote: OBEREG
            Why are the states not only manufacturing, but even selling the Raptor not organized to their allies did not wonder?

            Because specifically for this they made the F-35. Were it not for him, an export modification of the F-22 would appear. Although I think so, it costs twice as much
        2. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 13 March 2018 01: 27
          +1
          Do not disturb horses and people.
          The Su-30 is the assembly. There is no production of key aggregates in India. Neither the blades of the engine, nor its control systems, nor the radar, nor mathematics ... if something is produced, then some kind of metal can be rubber, sealants, oils, technical fluids according to the specification. And with the Su-57 will be even tougher. If it will be.
          In the best case, a large-node assembly, and even that with export mathematics and truncated electronics.
          Yes and when, Krsna alone knows.
          1. CHARM
            CHARM 13 March 2018 01: 49
            +2
            Quote: Vlad.by
            The Su-30 is the assembly. There is no production of key aggregates in India.

            Which engine? So they are going to put their engine-Kaveri .BEOO in cooperation with the French? So there is again cooperation - Russia - France - Israel - India. Irbis they are going to me on the AFAR, and it will not be a Russian radar. India is building the SU-30MKI under license and is now working on the Super Dry project. It is within the framework of this project that all these innovations will be. By the way, we proposed to supply the AL-30F41S engines (product 1C) for the 117s as part of the modernization, but the Indians refused in favor of the aforementioned engine.
            Quote: Vlad.by
            And with the Su-57 will be even tougher. If it will be.

            It won’t ... or does someone really seriously believe that we will agree to the conditions of the Indians?
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 13 March 2018 04: 19
              0
              If they do the dviglo as they write software, then I really do not envy those over whose heads these Super-Dry will fly. Their software crashes regularly, but the server will just restart the consequences, and if the airplane crashes, then those on whom it will fall will urgently transform souls into the next newborn organisms. What if they will be pigs or what kind of animal is considered unclean?
            2. Mih1974
              Mih1974 13 March 2018 06: 15
              0
              The Hindus again think that they are the smartest, well, they will screw a non-native engine - well, so who is the doctor after that. We just don’t give them “our guarantee” after that, they broke it yourself, now cry yourself. I don’t want to criticize the engine in which I don’t understand anything, but I know that the plane is still not Scrap, and every change must be made only those who put him on the wing for the first time. For when they screw it on, it’s not known what, then xs how this will affect flight performance and can result in anything. In fact, after such a replacement, you need to test it again.
              But it will be as usual - they will begin to crumble and the “bad Russian” will be to blame again. negative
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 13 March 2018 08: 13
                0
                Well, let's say, Jews at one time handed the American engine GE into the French MIRAGE III glider, and it turned out quite good for those times Kfir. At the same time, the fuselage had to be slightly expanded, because the new engine was much wider than the native one, though it was noticeably more powerful. But firstly, the Jews are not turkeys, and secondly, the Jews themselves did not invent or even copy the engine, but took the finished one. And even the Chinese, for what they ate the dog, but the Russian engines could not copy. Rather, they copied it, only the draft is noticeably less, and it burns out several times faster. A sheet lumine cut-bend-rivet a lot of intelligence and high technology is not required, so that they, yes, master.
                1. Mih1974
                  Mih1974 13 March 2018 08: 21
                  0
                  Yes, I’m not talking about the luminium rebellion, here the Chinese even had enough of the mind "with the lines covered." I am about math and physics! Just think - we put a heavier engine with a different center of gravity with a different fuel consumption. Also, if I’m not mistaken in Izrail, “the Soviet specialists from our aircraft and all the time saw them were all the same connected with a hedgehog”. I would also like to remind you of the "improvement" that the Indians have already made - they installed one new (our) engine during the repair (without our supervision), and the second one went over the old one. negative Of course, poor "drying up" poured out, a wild screech arose "these evil Russians set a bad plane and bad engines." But then ours rested, insisted on the analysis of the concepts and the Indians themselves recognized - yes we are suckers.
          2. svp67
            svp67 13 March 2018 04: 32
            0
            Quote: Vlad.by
            The Su-30 is the assembly.

            And I said somewhere that they produce it themselves? Sorry ... Once again, in India there is an assembly process, moreover assembly from equipment supplied from all over the world.
    5. Serge Gorely
      Serge Gorely 12 March 2018 20: 32
      +1
      Hindus - those are still hucksters, Ukrainians sob. And for the rollback, both Krsna and Vishnu will be sold.
    6. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 12 March 2018 20: 34
      +4
      India: Why do we need F-35 if for it we have neither ammunition nor tankers? ..
      You didn’t like the joint project with Russia ?! Buy EVERYTHING from minke whales! From ammunition, tankers and fuel to the last nut and key to a super-duper plane! And no licenses for your own assembly!
      Who wants too much ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 12 March 2018 21: 02
        +8
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Buy EVERYTHING from minke whales!

        And it will be so ...
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 12 March 2018 21: 31
          +7
          Sergey, how did you dig this out ?! I saw this in my distant childhood! I even forgot already ...
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 12 March 2018 22: 08
            +2
            The film is based on the play by Eugene Schwartz, 1963 year.
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 13 March 2018 02: 27
              +1
              This is a classic! Recently revised ....
              I laughed so much!
      2. olgsei2017
        olgsei2017 15 March 2018 21: 30
        0
        gloves-gloves forgot !!! as many as 48 species !!!
  2. Irokez
    Irokez 12 March 2018 20: 03
    +3
    Money, kickbacks, and an expensive, but useless toy during the war, whimsical with childhood illnesses which, during the war, is somehow capricious.
    Any whim for your grandmother. Some of these grandmothers will be able to fuck a lot.
    1. CHARM
      CHARM 12 March 2018 22: 12
      +1
      Quote: Irokez
      Money, kickbacks, and an expensive, but useless toy during the war, whimsical with childhood illnesses which, during the war, is somehow capricious.

      Do you think so bad about our designers? Something is not particularly in a hurry to sell technology to the Indians ... or wait until, as you say, the diseases will be cured? So the SU-57 began to be developed not yesterday. And the fact that any new strike complex will have sores, which will be revealed during operation, is that you have not discovered America. Yes, just until they upgrade the SU-57 and break in, there will be no sales. And this is another 10 years, and even 15 to wait. And the same Chinese understand this, and therefore invent their generation 5 fighter, because they need it now, and not when the cancer on the mountain whistles.
      1. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 13 March 2018 01: 33
        0
        As I understand it, I meant just fy-35. No?
        In my purely simplistic view, all the hype with the penguin Indians need to trade with us. Well, for introducing into a stupor the nearest neighbors. Although, the Indians themselves are in a stupor. However, as usual.
        Any deal is a decade. Otherwise, how? They will no longer respect themselves.
  3. assa67
    assa67 12 March 2018 20: 03
    +9
    Indians have common sense .. welcome
  4. assa67
    assa67 12 March 2018 20: 04
    +5
    Quote: assa67
    In general, the F-35 is a brilliant aircraft that will either destroy our budget or destroy our operational capabilities that have been created for decades with very high political costs. Therefore, any talk about its acquisition is deeply erroneous and incredibly dangerous.

    Indians have common sense ... welcome
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 13 March 2018 01: 35
      0
      Well, polites ... why should they cut the uterus and don’t give a damn about the well?
      What if drought?
  5. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 12 March 2018 20: 10
    0
    Give them also "B". Harness comrades. Moreover, as I understood from the article, the initiative comes from the Indians.
  6. Falcond
    Falcond 12 March 2018 20: 13
    +1
    Thanks to India’s great interest, PAK-FA was created, they spent money on it ... it would be foolish to refuse it now in favor of the phantom. Although there are those who will lobby for regular contracts for the construction of infrastructure and the supply of auxiliary equipment
    1. CHARM
      CHARM 12 March 2018 20: 26
      +10
      Quote: FalconD
      Thanks to the great interest of India, PAK-FA was created, they spent money on it ...

      Sorry, but why such a conclusion that the Indians at least spent a penny on the PAK FA project? The Hindus were going to invest something in the region of 5 lards on the development of the PAK FA pair and nothing more. PAK FA we created with our own money.
      1. Falcond
        Falcond 12 March 2018 23: 45
        0
        PAK FA we created with our own money.

        PAK-FA created the French ????
        1. CHARM
          CHARM 12 March 2018 23: 59
          +1
          Quote: FalconD
          PAK-FA created the French ????

          Dear, well, the second time you’re tired of writing nonsense? Well, you at least get acquainted with the creation of the T-50 and do not make people laugh. The Hindus were interested in the FGFA (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft) project. They did not need a single PAK FA. And where does the French?
      2. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 13 March 2018 01: 41
        0
        Well, they invested it! As a result, there is a Su-57. Maybe someday there will be a spark. With the letters MKI. But for money and without the transfer of key technologies.
        By the way, I will not be surprised that the money from Bramos did not go to the development of the Vanguard and Dagger.
        And the sale of T-90 did not pay for the creation of Almaty with the Coalition and the Terminator.
        The question arises - what will fly from the sale of K-226?
  7. Yak28
    Yak28 12 March 2018 20: 21
    +3
    At first, our brains were rinsed with red mercury in the United States, and even worse, they sold Yak-90 documentation to the Americans in the 141s, and the states are still tormented.
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 12 March 2018 21: 15
      +2
      Just when they were selling the Yak-141 they took money for converting millimeters to inches, and transferred it as it is. The lengths changed, but the angles in degrees remained. That's what is amazing (!) - flies wassat
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 12 March 2018 21: 33
        +6
        It seems to me that the Yakovlevites knew that something was wrong with this plane.
        PySy. The iron flies too.
        1. Pingo
          Pingo 12 March 2018 23: 19
          0
          RD-180 also flies, its Americans, despite the documentation, could not repeat at all. This is probably because there was no stealth in it.
          1. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 13 March 2018 01: 45
            0
            They told you - they are not friends over a puddle with logo lines, Bradis tables and millimeters. And ours at delivery in documentation are lazy to do recount. Only letters change. MM on Ft.
            1. Pingo
              Pingo 13 March 2018 02: 23
              0
              it was not about millimeters but about irons
      2. AlexVas44
        AlexVas44 13 March 2018 07: 36
        0
        Quote: IL-18
        The lengths changed, but the angles in degrees remained.

        This means mm given to them in inches, and instead of ° F (Fahrenheit) remained ° C (celsius)? Wow! laughing laughing laughing ?
  8. K-50
    K-50 12 March 2018 20: 25
    +9
    it's the perfect air killer

    Controversial statement, very controversial. F-35 “Penguin” (certainly does not pull on the “lightning”, since it is one of the slowest combat aircraft of our time, and maybe their lightning is so slow? what ) almost a third of the production line-up cannot be put into operation due to various malfunctions, considered "an ideal air killer", this is a very sin against the truth. yes
  9. Ziksura
    Ziksura 12 March 2018 20: 27
    +4
    India: Why do we need F-35 if for it we have neither ammunition nor tankers? ..
    So buy it. Do not even doubt it. One has only to buy this toy and then just have time to unfasten it.
  10. emwave
    emwave 12 March 2018 20: 43
    +2
    I wonder what the operating costs of this "miracle - flying Zumvelta"? If you take into account that the coating itself is cracking and something has not been debugged there yet ... you must not respect yourself strongly - buy this.
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 13 March 2018 09: 43
      0
      No one asks the Japanese and Canadians:
      - so, drive your loot and take these 40 .. 60 ... 80 F-35!
      - but you have them .... and the crack has gone ...
      - bullshit, come on. I do not like it, you will smear it yourself.
      - What?
      - whatever you want, the more you will smear.
  11. captain
    captain 12 March 2018 20: 51
    +2
    Lord, let them buy ME-109, the main thing is that later our MIGs and SUs would take it.
  12. Machete
    Machete 12 March 2018 20: 52
    +2
    Yeah, but after some time everyone will find out that a good contract has been signed there.
    And even with some kind of technology transfer.
    This is the Indians. They are ready for anything for the sake of technology. And the cheaper, the better.
  13. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 12 March 2018 20: 52
    +1
    Although some had the brains to refuse to impose a flying “miracle penguin” good laughing
  14. Conserp
    Conserp 12 March 2018 21: 25
    +5
    If the Indians manage to break the brand new MiG-29K (even the Arabs did it badly!), Sometimes bringing their condition to> 80% of faulty cars, then it's scary to imagine what they would have with the F-35, which the Americans themselves do not have falls short ...

    Somewhere deep down I would even like to see this circus.
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 12 March 2018 21: 33
    +3
    The desire for two Indians to sit on two chairs ends poorly. We remember how Russia lost the tender for the supply of Indian fighters, it was won by the French company Dassault Aviation and the European consortium EADS.
    How many technologies did you get from the French ??
  16. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 12 March 2018 21: 35
    +1
    Do they have NATO aircraft (rafal) in service, or didn’t they buy ammunition for it?
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 13 March 2018 01: 50
      0
      And Rafali in India, do they fly ??
      I haven’t heard ...
      Can someone clarify the situation?
      36 cars purchased, are all delivered and what is the raid?
  17. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 12 March 2018 21: 41
    +2
    And the assembly of the F-16 will be like with the Apaches, the corps in India, and the engines, electronics, weapons systems and ammunition from the USA ?!
    Well, this is their right in the end, it’s only interesting to compare what and how much they will receive and for what money and what they could buy for the same money from Russia, for example ...
  18. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 12 March 2018 21: 53
    +3
    Beauty))) Pretty soberly assessed the problems associated with the acquisition of the “penguin”, and at the same time curtsied, saying “we are not like that, life is like that”: Despite the fact that it’s perfect air killer,
    1. Conserp
      Conserp 12 March 2018 23: 11
      +2
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      it's the perfect air killer

      yeah, your own pilot.

      That strangulation, then the bailout with a fatal outcome, but about participating in the battle against real fighters and talk scary
  19. timgan777
    timgan777 12 March 2018 22: 05
    +1
    FSE equally buy from y to and)))
  20. KonoGon
    KonoGon 12 March 2018 22: 09
    +1
    Yeah, I’ll try to translate from Indian, and if someone owns better, let him correct.
    "How long? For the whole squadron, or what? We don’t really need to do it ourselves, except to ride nearby, tell me your price and we’ll go bargain."
    If you start with "we don’t need", then they will buy it.
  21. antiexpert
    antiexpert 12 March 2018 22: 30
    +2
    it is still forgotten to indicate that at the hour of "X" on a remote command, this plane turns into the third generation, just as they turned off air defense at Saddam)))
    1. Pingo
      Pingo 13 March 2018 00: 13
      0
      if standing in the parking lot
      in the air he cannot fight the second one anyway
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    1. nesvobodnye
      nesvobodnye 12 March 2018 23: 41
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      What is there mysterious? Savages are ordinary. Mass rape in them - in the order of things.
  23. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 12 March 2018 22: 52
    +1
    Of course, it is necessary to sell them, only now we still need to shift the vector towards debility. The multiplication table for its inventors has become more complicated than the iPhone (tamagotchi, spinner, etc.)
  24. Dietmar
    Dietmar 12 March 2018 23: 15
    +1
    There is such a saying: if you want to ruin a small country, give it an aircraft carrier.
  25. nesvobodnye
    nesvobodnye 12 March 2018 23: 40
    +2
    Why do we need an F-35 if we don’t have any ammunition or tankers for it? ..

    India, don’t be dumb, it's cool! Right now everyone does it!
  26. MadCat
    MadCat 13 March 2018 02: 56
    +1
    the tender for the best rollback was not over yet, but they are already in need; no need lol
  27. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 13 March 2018 04: 06
    0
    Golden airplane !!! in a literal and figurative sense !!!
  28. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 13 March 2018 07: 27
    0
    Pretty sensibly laid out everything. If politicians would have listened to him, it would have been wonderful at all. Well, God forbid, yet common sense will prevail and the Indians will remain on our technology.
  29. dm-itry
    dm-itry 13 March 2018 08: 32
    0
    I have great doubts about the competence of these experts, after the words this is a brilliant aircraft, only if it was not said about the appearance. :)))
  30. Vadim Sh.
    Vadim Sh. 13 March 2018 08: 44
    0
    Hindus are gypsies in all their manifestations, they do not just want to get the equipment. they want completely production technology, everything is ready and you don’t need to think for yourself, everything has been invented.
  31. vkfriendly
    vkfriendly 13 March 2018 08: 48
    0
    Quote: svp67
    So not only that, Americans will be able to remotely disable or block some systems and they do not hide it.

    And spy on all channels.
  32. gukoyan
    gukoyan 13 March 2018 08: 49
    0
    They have our reliable and relatively unpretentious SU-33 falling, and then this iPhone, which is many times more technological and stuffed with electronics from and to ...
  33. Augustine Gladyshev
    Augustine Gladyshev 13 March 2018 09: 32
    0
    Hindus, as well as the Chinese ALWAYS trick and extort the technology of the new military equipment purchased from Russia. In this way, REDUCING HER REVENUE in the fight for the SALES MARKETS of military Equipment.
  34. rocket757
    rocket757 13 March 2018 10: 03
    +1
    Go understand, did you really think about it or is it just empty talk?
  35. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 13 March 2018 10: 46
    0
    Everything is true here. F-35 - for developed countries with high culture
    maintenance of complex equipment.
    Hindus (not yet) pulled.
    1. Iscan der
      Iscan der 13 March 2018 23: 49
      0
      Few people can pull such a technique as the F-35, since I remember that it’s strictly forbidden to touch them without special gloves and there are so many rules that the service will pour into a huge “penny”!
      Military equipment (which should really work) - must be simple and inexpensive to maintain, repairs must be carried out quickly and not require ultra-expensive conditions.
      Otherwise, this is not a weapon, but an expensive toy that no one can use!
  36. Iscan der
    Iscan der 13 March 2018 23: 43
    0
    Everything is just like that!
    I remember that the Israelis were also very unhappy that their new F-35s, without asking anyone, regularly send data about their work and condition (and not only) to the manufacturing campaign.
    That is, the owners of aircraft in fact are not their owners and it is not known - is it possible to trust the equipment that is controlled by its true owner, with which you can disagree over time?
    And the transfer of technology for the Indians is one of the main factors in the purchase, because in many respects because they are buying Russian equipment with great creak because they are trying to bargain for themselves and the transfer of technology (sort of like with the joint development of Pak-Fa).