Project "ZZ". Putin will not leave. And do not expect!

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Neither in the USA nor in Europe do not doubt: March 18 Russians will elect Putin again. Observers find the upcoming voting theater of the absurd. Others say that the “dictator of a light weight category” cannot leave his post, because he believes that his personal survival and the survival of Russia are a single whole. Other Western historians specializing in Russia are confident that Putin will be in office as much as he himself will need.





Will Vladimir Putin ever leave the Kremlin? Can she? Even if you want?

Tunku Varadarajan tried to answer this question in "The Wall Street Journal".

The results of the upcoming elections, the author believes, are “known in advance.” And it is not for nothing that Stephen Kotkin (Stephen Kotkin) notes that Putin’s re-election is “predetermined”. This is "an extra testimony of the Russian disastrous stagnation."

Kotkin - a historian specializing in Russia, the author of the book "Stalin: in anticipation of Hitler, 1929-1941". This is the second book of the three-volume “biography of the Soviet dictator,” the author of the article indicates. In comparison with Stalin, the current Putin is “a dictator of light weight category”. Kotkin does not even bother to compare them: there is no sense in equating Putin to Stalin, for the Soviet Union, which Stalin ruled to death, embodied control "over one-sixth of the land on the planet", and this is not to mention the satellite countries in Europe, and in Asia. The communist parties conducted their affairs in many countries that carried out the will of the USSR, in France, in Italy, even in the USA. In addition, at the peak of development, in 1980's, the economy of the USSR was powerful: it accounted for about a third of the American economy. Today, the Russian economy is 1 / 15 of the American economy. Russia is very weak, the historian believes, and it "continues to weaken." Recently, it was in eighth place among the strongest world economies, but now "occupies not the twelfth, not the thirteenth place" (these "places" depend on the evaluation criteria). If Putin will stay in the Kremlin for a couple more terms, the historian sneers, then Russia "will no longer be able to get into the top twenty."

The Russian situation seems to Kotkin not quite normal. The historian singles out from Russia "the desire for a special mission in the world," which is the basis of the national culture. And the “Putin regime” is the heir to such a mission. Therefore, Putin can’t take it so easily.

By the way, Russia is not the only one. Of the major powers, the United States and China also feel the “predestination from God” now.

But if Russia has a special mission, it is unable to realize it, Kotkin is convinced. Moscow has already come to terms with the rise of Beijing. But the West ... Kotkin says that Putin’s tactic is aimed at “accelerating the process of decomposition of the West.” Putin did not "crack the elections in the United States," but "hacked into American social discourse." Moscow discredited H. Clinton and at the same time American democracy through the flow of compromising material.

Apparently, Putin admits that Russia can only survive "to the detriment of the West." This Kotkin explained and Putin's particular patriotism. In addition to believing in exclusivity, Putin’s version of patriotism is built on the “survival of his personal regime.” Its survival and the survival of the country are "one and the same." Only such a vision “corresponds to the long-term interests” of Russia is hardly ironic to the historian.

The union of personal and non-personal puts Russia in a "vicious circle" and condemns to stagnation. Evidence is more than enough. Russia is characterized by a marked reduction in human capital. According to Kotkin, from 5 to 10 of millions of Russians today live outside the borders of the former USSR. And these are prosperous people: they receive about twenty percent more abroad than the average income of citizens of those countries that turned out to be the final destination for the Russians who have moved. The historian says that these people are talented, educated and enterprising. He personally knows some: they work at Princeton University.



Putin will certainly win the March 18 election, the historian believes. Hence the question: will not Putin, like Stalin, remain the head of state to death?

The answer should be: Vladimir Putin "will remain in the Kremlin as much time as he needs, if only he is not killed during the coup d'état."

Does Putin have a choice? The historian strongly doubts this. Will Putin be able to leave if he wants to? Hardly: after all, he himself overly personified his regime. And autocratic regimes often became victims of their own "successes." They successfully suppressed dissent in their countries, and that meant how poorly they knew their people. And Putin is unlikely to go "peacefully" to rest: in fact, he is the leader of the "faction" that controls "power and wealth" in the country. "Fractions" need Putin to remain at the helm: in this way its members will preserve their wealth.

Christian Esch wrote for the German edition "Der Spiegel" the material is under the catchy headline: “Das System Putin”. He writes about the same thing about which the previous author, whose material is considered in the review: March 18 will be held in Russia elections, and the “new president” will again be the current one. For almost two decades, Putin "completely subjugated" Russia to himself, and the upcoming vote was "the most absurd."



During the eighteen years of his reign, Putin "truly merged with his own country." And "the elections of Russia are not required." The corresponding opinion, says Ash, "Putin himself is sticking to it." After all, he "never participated" in the election debate.

“Stability” and “national pride” are the promises of the “Putin system”. Instruments to achieve "stability" elected "lies and force." There is no notorious feeling of stability. In Putin’s last term, the ruble lost half its value against the euro, and real incomes of the population have been falling for four years. According to open official data, twenty-two million Russian people languish in poverty. And Putin himself is no longer the same: he changed in the 2012 year, because he was frightened by the street protests that preceded his return to the Kremlin. Then the Kremlin’s political opponents were declared “internal enemies”, “fifth column”, “foreign agents”. The Putin System has become both populist and repressive. Populism is especially noticeable in foreign policy: the Crimea, Syria, and others. Russian citizens can be proud of the country's greatness, however, precisely at the expense of the aforementioned “stability”, including due to the level of personal well-being.

It would be good for the Russian economy to undergo modernization, but how? There is no reform or investment in the education system. And still prevents isolation from the West. "Silicon Valley" in Skolkovo simply did not take place, it is an architectural imitation, and sometimes a "springboard" for those who seek to leave the country and rush to the West.



This is Putin’s tragedy: it preserves its own power and thereby prevents alternative development options. Such actions, Putin, says Ash, knocks the ground out from under the feet of both the opposition and his own supporters.

With such a “strategy” Putin is hindering the most important thing - the development of Russia after Putin.

Putin's trouble is that he found himself indispensable.

* * *


Russia found itself in a maze of "stability." Apparently, Putin himself does not know the way out. At least, such a conclusion can be made after exploring the views of Western experts.

Observing a foreign country, its election campaign, foreign experts in Russia do not see in it the very bright future that the Soviet general secretaries once called upon. AND historical They have reason for this: if after the Brezhnev “stagnation” the USSR existed for only a few years, how long will Russia survive after Putin's “stability”, which, according to other analysts, does not live now, but “survives”?

However, we will object to Western experts and historians by the mere fact that the people in Russia elect the president. Democracy! If the people's trust in Putin still stands high, it means that he has earned his right to be president. And be him again and again. We ourselves want this, right?
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  1. +45
    12 March 2018 09: 48
    Putin will not leave. And do not expect!
    but no one hopes. All is decided. if only the liberal government was replaced, and that’s okay ... but I won’t vote for it. The pension does not allow ...
    1. +11
      12 March 2018 09: 55
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      if only the liberal government replaced

      And if not. Then how do you rate it?
      1. +31
        12 March 2018 10: 00
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        if only the liberal government replaced

        And if not. Then how do you rate it?

        1. +14
          12 March 2018 10: 01
          I liked it, thanks for the photo
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            1. +24
              12 March 2018 11: 28
              Quote: Alena Frolovna
              With others, this pension will be even less or not at all ...

              canceled pensions?
              Quote: Alena Frolovna
              And the dashing 90s will begin and no one will give you a half for your life, too dumb and arrogant is torn to power,

              are you in close contact with them and all know about their dark past?

              Quote: Alena Frolovna
              With this statement you remind me of a bastard spitting on the trail of the Victors who deprived these renegades of the opportunity to drink Bavarian.


              are you in perfect health?
              1. +25
                12 March 2018 11: 54
                Silvestr, yes throw a blizzard to drive. Here, in Russia, any louse can scream frantically practically any nonsense, heartbrokenly screaming that it represents the opinion of the people. Your picture is ridiculous and inappropriate, at least. And no one can disperse those screeching with water cannons / gas. They’ll bring them to the department in a wagon, draw up a protocol ... It's boring even. Whether the case is in the super-duper ultra-democratic Europe and America. It's expensive to see how the demonstrators are dispersed with water cannons. This I understand ... "DEMOCRACY".
                1. +12
                  12 March 2018 11: 57
                  what are you talking about? The picture is like that. what some gentlemen comrades want
                  1. +20
                    12 March 2018 12: 08
                    From the beginning of zero, our mouths are not shut, they are not closed and they are not sutured laughing And they don’t even give in to Durkee, although for me this is already too much. Everybody comes out with arguments, but more often without. Therefore, in a conversation with a photo-toad, funny faces with lightning at the place of the mouth look silly and not correct.
                  2. dSK
                    +8
                    12 March 2018 16: 47
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    some gentlemen comrades

                    I’ll run through the elections, the “financing” from the NGOs - “Silvestr”, will end, and “Andrey Yuryevich” will disappear from VO.
                    1. +5
                      12 March 2018 17: 59
                      Quote from dsk
                      I will pass the elections, the "financing" from NGOs will end - ...., "Andrei Yuryevich" will disappear from the VO.

                      yeah)))) five years preparing for the election fellow maybe in the course-the salary is sent to the house or is it necessary to go somewhere?
                    2. +1
                      12 March 2018 19: 15
                      Quote from dsk
                      I’ll run through the elections, the “financing” from the NGOs - “Silvestr”, will end, and “Andrey Yuryevich” will disappear from VO.

                      Yes, before the agents of foreign states, the authorities neutralized, and now they are waiting for their funding to stop.
                    3. 0
                      13 March 2018 21: 19
                      Quote from dsk
                      I’ll run through the elections, the “financing” from the NGOs - “Silvestr”, will end, and “Andrey Yuryevich” will disappear from VO.

                      and if you don’t disappear, shoot yourself? You must answer for the words.
                  3. +3
                    12 March 2018 20: 55
                    And you know, sometimes it’s necessary to apply such a thing. Because it is necessary to at least slightly suspend a rabid lie. If there are facts, then please, but then don’t talk. Or do you think that there is no censorship in the light of democracy?
                2. +1
                  13 March 2018 05: 50
                  People are sitting, turned out to be extremists !!! am
                  https://meduza.io/feature/2017/08/10/konets-dela-
                  o-referendume-vseh-priznali-ekstremistami
            2. +22
              12 March 2018 11: 39
              Oh, damn it, now the country is hosting the rabble. And not the first time in Russia.
              1. 0
                16 March 2018 10: 20
                And when were decent people in power? Name at least one, laugh together. Romantics do not fall into power, and they are not needed there. To rule the state you cannot be honest.
            3. +18
              12 March 2018 11: 54
              Quote: Alena Frolovna
              I’m ashamed, my friend.

              I should be ashamed to pay such pensions.
              1. 0
                16 March 2018 10: 22
                Under any government, they will be destitute. You need to do something yourself to live better. Some believe that the shit should be taken away by the state.
                Do not be offended, I do not think that this is about you.
            4. +15
              12 March 2018 13: 50
              We have one country and I don’t want rabble to be hosted in it.

              So now it is hosting. Boards ghouls hangs. The people who feed them, then call cattle by cattle.
              Dumb swaggering tears. And instead of whom? Instead of a dumb snobby. Well, what's the point in these "elections"?
              90s can begin easily with the current leadership. Probably not just because this very manual is weighted by the WG and pushes the PMC.
              1. +7
                12 March 2018 14: 09
                “Factions” need Putin to remain at the helm: in this way, its participants will retain their wealth ...

                ... If you are not an official and not an oligarch associated with Putin and his entourage, then it is foolish to justify the Western liberal policy of the ruling elite that has developed since the "Yeltsin" era in relation to the population of your own country.
                1. +1
                  12 March 2018 19: 52
                  Quote: Pax tecum
                  ... If you are not an official and not an oligarch associated with Putin and his entourage, then it is foolish to justify the Western liberal policy of the ruling elite that has developed since the "Yeltsin" era in relation to the population of your own country.

                  Not everything is so simple, we first of all needed to ensure external security, which the management did, now is the time of domestic policy, which I think the GDP will do in the current term.
                  It’s not so easy to carry out the Yeltsin team, they have internal and external support, only the country has sorted out the NGOs. Everything has its time!
          2. +5
            12 March 2018 13: 31
            Theatrical photo. There are billions of such pictures in the internet, the author in the balaclava, apparently, did not even manage to go far. Like collectors do not make any stupidity in order to gain a boost in social networks. Nailed muds to the square and writing similar on a fence from one medical report.
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      2. 0
        12 March 2018 20: 51
        Of the presented, well, I think it’s clear.
    2. +10
      12 March 2018 10: 39
      and what will the government replace today, will you have a bigger pension tomorrow?
      And why do not you like liberals? Russia without mass executions. the murders of their citizens, famines, mass repressions, the Iron Curtain. slowly becoming a developed state, not only with an advanced army, but also with a decent standard of living of the population !!!
      Probably you, as a true communist against liberals, because: you want public blood, executions, executions of enemies of the people. expulsion of dissent. armed to the teeth army with a poor population?
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      But I won’t vote for him. The pension does not allow ...

      frankly, I didn’t understand why the size of the pension does not allow, do we have a vote?
      1. +16
        12 March 2018 10: 41
        Quote: K.A.S.
        and what will the government replace today, will you have a bigger pension tomorrow?
        And why do not you like liberals? Russia without mass executions. the murders of their citizens, famines, mass repressions, the Iron Curtain. slowly becoming a developed state, not only with an advanced army, but also with a decent standard of living of the population !!!
        Probably you, as a true communist against liberals, because: you want public blood, executions, executions of enemies of the people. expulsion of dissent. armed to the teeth army with a poor population?
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        But I won’t vote for him. The pension does not allow ...

        frankly, I didn’t understand why the size of the pension does not allow, do we have a vote?

        fool ...
        1. +8
          12 March 2018 10: 58
          Dear Andrey Yuryevich laughing laughing tongue wassat
      2. +13
        12 March 2018 11: 43
        K.A.S.
        And why do not you like liberals?
        So they showed themselves in all their glory in the 90s and today the financial and economic bloc of the government is working in the face of the west. And if you listen to on TV and read in the media about their "sincere love" for the country and people, then at times you regret that there is not enough iron hand.
        1. +4
          12 March 2018 14: 12
          Quote: rotmistr60
          So they showed themselves in all their glory in the 90s

          Where did the liberals come from in the 90s, then just think a little bit with your head. The same Communists and Komsomol members were completely destroyed the nightingale brain ???? And the liberals lifted the country, which the Communists brought to collapse, from the economy of the bursts, the deficit and the West, which was inferior in all consumer goods to the West, made a market one. You now have a car and not a Cossack, and the TV is not a ruby ​​lamp. Do not live in a box, by accident ??? They gave you everything, you spit on it ... the communist, what can I say ..
          1. +11
            12 March 2018 16: 08
            And the liberals raised the country
            new trick! At first, the gentlemen denied liberalism, but after they were poked into the idol’s words that he was a liberal and curses Russia on liberalism, the training manual was rewritten, now it is ordered to be proud of liberalism.
            1. +4
              12 March 2018 17: 37
              Quote: Gardamir
              now ordered to be proud of liberalism

              Excuse me, but do you think the liberals are not in power? Didn’t they survive world crises + attacks of the West and show the best standard of living among all the former Soviet republics? There is no liberalism in Belarus - can we compare them with our economy?
              Or forgot the line for sneakers and jeans from under the floor? And the fact that in the 90s .. you know, when a child is born, he is also not immediately a boxing world champion. There is a growing process. Russia has grown into another strong, independent state. Judged not by infancy, is not it?
              1. +7
                12 March 2018 18: 15
                They did not survive world crises
                It was they who survived, but the people did not.
                western attacks
                And this is why they rule, because they have nothing more to be proud of.
                Or forgot the line for sneakers and jeans from under the floor?
                How much do you think jeans cost? I think twenty thousand no less, and pants for five hundred re, these are not jeans that deceived you. The situation is the same with sneakers. There may have been a deficit in the Union, but that was what it was. And if the West wanted to arrange real sanctions, then it would not seem to anyone, seeds, Internet products, even money for loans are all imported.
                It’s just that the West is more profitable for Putin than Grudinin.
                1. +1
                  13 March 2018 12: 48
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  It was they who survived, but the people did not.

                  Hungry riots in the country, and they hide? Do you live in a parallel country? You can use the data that you are operating on the basis of which such a conclusion .. at least some figures showing that the people did not survive the crisis of 2008, 2014.
                  About the pants for 500 re. They were in the scoop, and now I can buy what I want, and not what the Bolshevichka factory does. And I don’t see what was THERE, which I don’t have now?
        2. 0
          12 March 2018 18: 35
          It seems to you. Get baptized! TV and media separately. You yourself need to think so that horrors do not dream.
      3. +8
        12 March 2018 14: 15
        ... you want blood, executions, executions of enemies of the people in public ..

        For all your black “irony,” it is here that you guessed right. This is what the vast majority of the country wants.
        1. +2
          12 March 2018 18: 40
          The vast majority of Russians are calm and adequate people, thank God!
      4. +8
        12 March 2018 16: 57
        Quote: K.A.S.
        slowly becoming a developed state, not only with an advanced army, but also with a decent standard of living of the population !!!

        What a pearl! Probably we live in different RF. You seem to be in the Moscow Ring Road or Barvikha, and I am in the Far, Far East.
      5. +2
        13 March 2018 00: 22
        A typical liberal individual, drugged by a propaganda sivuha, brought to a state of intellectual dullness. Unable to really perceive the historical
        past for them the limit of their dreams Anglo-Saxon paradise These individuals in vain think that
        barking at the historical past of the GREAT EMPIRE they will receive a ticket in the golden billion
        Kolymchanin Soviet pensioner About the Gulag and other crap is not necessary
        1. 0
          13 March 2018 12: 50
          Quote: VeneraNina200
          A typical liberal individual, intoxicated by a propaganda sivuha, brought to a state of intellectual dullness

          March 18, let's see how many true Communists are in the country, right?))) And liberal propaganda .. is Sheinin-Solovyov and Kiselev?))) Spring has an amazing effect on some ..)))
      6. +1
        13 March 2018 13: 55
        why the size of the pension does not allow, we have that the vote is paid? ,,
        you see, you don’t understand much yet. The size of pensions depends on Putin’s friends who curse the West and withdraw money there. But Putin, as always, has nothing to do with it.
    3. GAF
      +8
      12 March 2018 15: 47
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      But I won’t vote for him. The pension does not allow ...

      You indicated in your profile your year of birth 1963. Young man, you have 16448 comments. Five minutes per comment, as a result, more than 171 8-hour working days are gained. Rest is a sacred thing for a retired person. But if the requests are large and health allows, there is no free space at the front door of the ads - we offer work, including work at home - knit mittens.
      1. +6
        12 March 2018 16: 15
        Quote: GAF
        GAF

        THIS IS GENIUS!!!!! how could I not think of it, so answer the constant nagging about the big rent and lack of work !!!!!
        1. GAF
          +5
          12 March 2018 17: 30
          Quote: K.A.S.
          so answer the constant nagging about the big rent and lack of work !!!!!

          So it's that simple. Six months have passed since almost retired at 77. Still not used to it, at least get back to work again. Therefore, it’s “funny”, but not ridiculous, just like my son’s almost the same age misses a big pension. Take it out and put it on a silver platter.
          1. +3
            13 March 2018 07: 20
            Quote: GAF
            Quote: K.A.S.
            so answer the constant nagging about the big rent and lack of work !!!!!

            So it's that simple. Six months have passed since almost retired at 77. Still not used to it, at least get back to work again. Therefore, it’s “funny”, but not ridiculous, just like my son’s almost the same age misses a big pension. Take it out and put it on a silver platter.

            I was dismissed from the military due to health reasons with a pension of 14 tr And this is with disability. It’s not just for a healthy young man to find a decent job, but for me ...
            During my service I was in different climatic zones, changed 8-9 apartments (I don’t remember exactly already). And he rented apartments and lived in the dining room with his family. So I think, and if I served before the age of 77, how many more I would have seen the beauties of Russia, but how many apartments would I change?
            And you, probably, have sat up to 77 years old in one warm place and are equal with everyone. I assume that you are the rank ..., oh official, or accountant, which you can’t drive away.
            It was not intended to offend you. I just wanted to say that aligning a military pensioner and a civilian, to put it mildly, is not correct.
            1. +2
              13 March 2018 09: 33
              and what decent work is this? the chief. a leader? on a civilian their bosses (specialists, unlike the military) have nothing to do with. if the physical load is contraindicated for you, why don’t you learn from the same accountant (or many other professions), who doesn’t allow it?
              you tell a person about sitting there, so most of the military also didn’t stand by martin and worked as a Kyle on permafrost.
              Quote: BecmepH
              military pensioner and civilian, to put it mildly, not correctly.

              it’s hard to disagree! on a citizen you will not meet a 40-year-old forehead of a pensioner who cares that a small pension is not enough money and doesn’t work and will learn pride, for example, as a welder or cnc operator! and goes to work on guard to sit and get a penny!
              It depends on the person who he is and what! one in 40 years will retire and will be sitting, waiting for a decent job! and the other, and after retirement, will find a job for himself!
              Sorry for the harshness, but the whiners in the uniform are tired, there will be fewer such whiners on the citizen!
              1. +1
                14 March 2018 05: 55
                Quote: K.A.S.
                you tell a person about sitting there, so most of the military also didn’t stand by martin and worked as a Kyle on permafrost.

                This is precisely what the majority of the military serve in approximately such conditions.
                Even in calmer years, I went on business trips more than once without even dropping home. What was with him in his pockets, he lived. It's true.
                As for my current life, I work and earn money normally. Just hide my disability. And to the questions why I go so much I have to laugh it off and leave the answer.
                As for study ... In fifty dollars to study, and then sit without finding work? Try to get a job without experience.
                I’m writing all this to the fact that all the military do not need a single comb of revenge. How can you judge everything if you have not cooked in this boiler. As for the term of retirement, then you probably know the axiom that our state so simply does not give anything? Draw conclusions.
            2. GAF
              0
              13 March 2018 19: 16
              Quote: BecmepH
              And you, probably, have sat up to 77 years old in one warm place and are equal with everyone. I assume that you are the rank ..., oh official, or accountant, which you can’t drive away.

              Must upset, not guessed. He started as a digger, promoted to a trackman, 4 years urgent, factory, institute, graduate school, teacher. I was not interested in bookkeeping of someone else’s pocket. Therefore, summer holidays while studying and working holidays were often used to improve health. As a result of cultural rest in his student days, he earned a medal "For the development of virgin and fallow lands", and later earned on the ridge three fused vertebrae from a stretcher with concrete. The teaching work is certainly not dusty and a two-month vacation for some reason.
    4. +1
      12 March 2018 23: 39
      What are the spiritualized faces in the photo. Yes
  2. +15
    12 March 2018 09: 50
    Oleg Chuvakin is trying very hard before the elections, but I’m not interested in the opinion of some Kotkin, and especially Christian Ash, what he writes there for the German public. And here is why the author clearly understands them on the VO website!
    1. +5
      12 March 2018 09: 55
      Quote: turbris
      And here is why the author clearly understands them on the VO website!

      You need to know what the enemy is thinking. hi
      1. +9
        12 March 2018 10: 19
        Quote: Kotovsky
        You need to know what the enemy is thinking.

    2. +38
      12 March 2018 09: 59
      Quote: turbris
      Oleg Chuvakin is trying very hard before the election

      how “Channel 1” and “Russia” are trying!
      Yesterday I turned on: up to nausea it’s disgusting to look at the bastards- "everything is fine, everything is fine, a little more!"
      They would show the monthly line to the doctors in the clinic, the usual, but not selected, hospital. Then there would be an objective opinion. And so are thimbles.
      1. +12
        12 March 2018 10: 34
        Quote: Silvestr
        They would show monthly queues to doctors in the clinic,

        Have you seen those lines yourself? Which periods?
        1. +30
          12 March 2018 10: 53
          I have seen. And not monthly, but one and a half months. This is in St. Petersburg. And if they couldn’t record a child’s half-year for a specialist, for example, a hemologist, they went for a fee.
      2. +19
        12 March 2018 10: 41
        Quote: Silvestr
        They would show the monthly line to the doctors in the clinic, the usual, but not selected, hospital. Then there would be an objective opinion. And so are thimbles.

        Oh, how boldly, the truth of the uterus ... not in the eyebrow but in the eye ...
        queues, because there are not enough doctors, is the GDP to blame, or the local government, local deputies? winked
        poor little hospital, who is to blame for the GDP or the local government? Is there not enough local government money? Why not ask where they turned?
        Here are such as you all are waiting for: the master will come, the order is visible. But what are you waiting for? What have you done to improve around yourself, in your place? And so all over the country purely soviet thinking: am I? Do I need more than anyone? everything is bad ... everyone is stealing ...
        Think, do, move. The wizard will not fly by helicopter and there will be no fairies.
        1. +25
          12 March 2018 11: 13
          Quote: Balu
          queues, because there are not enough doctors, is the GDP to blame, or the local government, local deputies?

          Is local government not working on the basis of federal laws? Or across the country is a gag?
          1. +11
            12 March 2018 12: 15
            Again ... The cat left the kittens .... It's Putin's fault. Not tired? Silvestr, really, is GDP responsible for everything? For every official?
            1. +19
              12 March 2018 12: 28
              Quote: nadezhiva
              This is Putin's fault. Not tired? Silvestr, really, is GDP responsible for everything?

              for the main thing in the country - the army, health and education - YES!
              How do you think? Power took and is not responsible for anything?
              1. +11
                12 March 2018 12: 47
                Silvestr, I understand, only you alone know who is to blame and what to do. Well, all of them, let us be your presidency. How do you manage, can you, will not let you down?
                1. +10
                  12 March 2018 13: 49
                  Quote: Balu
                  I understand, only you alone know who is to blame

                  who is to blame, I guess, and GDP is not the main one in the list

                  Quote: Balu
                  and what to do

                  NOTHING depends on us. The elite always rules the people.
                  During World War II, Americans raised humanitarian aid to our people for 1.4 billion S.
                  Can you think of this now?
                  Quote: Balu
                  Well, all of them, let us be your presidency. How do you manage, can you, will not let you down?

                  I’m afraid for some segments of the population this would be worse than Stalin. At least, on the hooks of a dozen or two thieves would hang. The rest would solve the problems of health and rearmament of the army at their own expense.
                  Reference: I did not steal, I do not steal, I do not give bribes.
                  1. +2
                    12 March 2018 14: 31
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Reference: I did not steal, I do not steal, I do not give bribes.

                    What about taking bribes? Why did you so modestly keep silent about this? smile
                    1. +7
                      12 March 2018 15: 07
                      Quote: СРЦ П-15
                      What about taking bribes? Why did you so modestly keep silent about this?

                      foresaw such a question. My omission. I do not take, although they are trying to give. I proceed from the following:
                      1. I have a decent salary and I have enough.
                      2. If they give, then they want something from me. I do not like dependency on someone and a sense of duty
                      1. +2
                        12 March 2018 15: 22
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        foresaw such a question. My omission. I do not take, although they are trying to give. I proceed from the following:

                        No one will give it to a doctor who does not take a bribe - the news is spread about this good point in the hospital first! However, as well as about someone who does not move a finger without this bribe. I had to lie down in many hospitals and institutes and just at your favorite time - the 90s. He personally suffered from the fact that he did not thank his doctor-surgeon: after the operation of the lumbar-peritonial shunt, the shunt came off two days later. To all my exhortations to do an x-ray, they answered me: do it. Discharged with severe headache and abdominal pain. Only in their district hospital I underwent abdominal surgery and got this ill-fated shunt thirty centimeters long, though it was not plastic, but rubber.
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        1. I have a decent salary and I have enough.

                        I don’t understand how you can work two days a week and have a decent salary? Maybe you didn’t accidentally forget to write about bribes?
              2. +3
                12 March 2018 12: 50
                Do not distort. He answers. It does not reach the level of Joseph Vissarionovich yet, but everyone who was after and surpassed, and stepped over. By the way, your "Russian" hurts the eye.
                1. +6
                  12 March 2018 14: 13
                  Quote: nadezhiva
                  He answers.

                  Of course. For 3 years they have been reducing and optimizing everything, Putin comes out and says: “everything needs to be restored”
                  Quote: nadezhiva
                  Your "Russian" hurts the eye.

                  do you have conjunctivitis? The simplest is topical albucid
                  1. 0
                    12 March 2018 19: 17
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    у вWhat is conjunctivitis? The simplest is topical albucid
                    The simplest thing is to learn the rules of the Russian language.
                2. +6
                  12 March 2018 16: 12
                  until it falls short
                  What are you playing back and forth here? Under Stalin, the country was popular, now bourgeois.
            2. +19
              12 March 2018 13: 11
              Quote: nadezhiva
              Again ... The cat left the kittens .... It's Putin's fault. Not tired? Silvestr, really, is GDP responsible for everything? For every official?

              so he cannot even control his spokesman, who acts on his behalf fellow time "carries a blizzard", then a kick in the ass, but no, sits in place, still moves his mustache
              1. +7
                12 March 2018 13: 29
                Do not touch the spokesperson. Although he does not amuse us as young ladies with beads, he is quite happy. And about the "snowstorm" ... not so literally wink Zhirinovsky has the wrong snowstorm. From whom what is required is what he voices. After all, the President is far from able to say everything out loud. And for sending messages on foot, you need specially trained people wink
                1. +10
                  12 March 2018 14: 21
                  President Vladimir Putin said in an interview with NBC that he could not control the work of all employees of his administration. The transcript was published on the president's website.

                  “We have two thousand administration employees, do you really think that I control everyone? There [Dmitry] Peskov sits opposite, my spokesperson, he sometimes carries such a "blizzard", I watch on TV and think: what is he talking about there? Who entrusted him with this? ”Putin said.

                  Well, the personnel policy of President Putin is something with something, we have long known.
                  Why, then, are those who openly "mow" outside the control of the guarantor and feel great?
                  Does the state punitive apparatus work poorly? Or is it necessary?
              2. 0
                12 March 2018 14: 36
                so he can’t even control his press secretary, who speaks fellow on his behalf once “carries a blizzard”, which means a kick in the ass, but no, he sits in place, still moves his mustache


                If Peskov carries a blizzard, then what are the press secretaries of the USA, Ukraine and the like?
                1. +14
                  12 March 2018 14: 56
                  Quote: krops777
                  If Peskov carries a blizzard, then what are the press secretaries of the USA, Ukraine and the like?

                  That's it, your right train of thought laughing
                2. +5
                  12 March 2018 16: 16
                  If Peskov carries a blizzard, then what then
                  spokespersons for Mozambique, Guinea Bissau and the like?
          2. +4
            12 March 2018 12: 40
            And the local authorities, where did it come from Mars? You still say that Putin is to blame for the poor work of the housing and communal services.
            1. +6
              12 March 2018 14: 15
              Quote: Squelcher
              And the local authorities, where did it come from Mars? You still say that Putin is to blame for the poor work of the housing and communal services.

              So all our people are like that? Then what difference does it make who the president is ... Let Zhirik at least laugh heartily. I really like his program policy.
            2. +9
              12 March 2018 14: 22
              Quote: Squelcher
              And the local authorities, where did it come from Mars? You still say that Putin is to blame for the poor work of the housing and communal services.

              local authorities work within their competence. Tell me, how can the local government contain the local economy, if most of the subjects of the federation are recipients? They live on a subsidy from the Center. Here everything is subsidized according to the residual principle.

              Only 19 more or less emerge, and the rest?
              1. +7
                12 March 2018 17: 08
                Quote: Silvestr
                They live on a subsidy from the Center. Here everything is subsidized according to the residual principle.

                I live in RT. Every year new enterprises are opened, at the last job fair for one official unemployed 4 vacancies, incl. the project manager is from 50 thousand, gas and electric welder from 60 thousand, paramedic from 23 thousand, there is work with a salary of nga at the level of 9 thousand, this depends on the level of education and qualification.
                On weekends I go to the cottage in the village 50 km from Kazan, clean asphalt. On the agricultural market on Sunday, turkey fillet from 310 thousand, pork loin for baked pork without bones 300, there is everything local and from neighboring areas from horse meat to lamb. Local potatoes from 30 thousand and from neighboring regions. I don’t understand why some are afraid of sanctions, they want to surrender to the West, ask for forgiveness and agree on what? Russia has always been self-sufficient. There are problems, and where there is no corruption, in which such a wonderful country? In Singapore or what? Oh well, this is for the most naive. Singaporean mafiosi abruptly yakuza.
                Yes, retirement is difficult, but our friends, also working doctors, pensioners, are resting in a sanatorium. My wife and I cannot afford so far (mortgage, two loans, build all the houses in the village), only funeral savings. However, I do not see an alternative to GDP. And these uh ... presidential candidates smile with their moans and promises. The alternative to GDP will grow up to the next election and it will be a professionally trained competent shift, with experience in the civil service at the regional and federal levels. Our personnel was taken from Dagestan to Dagestan. His competence is confirmed by the successful implementation of a budget spending control system, this is true. For two months of this year alone, more than two dozen different levels of officials said goodbye to their seats for compromising reasons, including and judges. Something like that.
                1. +6
                  12 March 2018 18: 47
                  Quote: Balu
                  I live in RT.

                  we have already come to the conclusion that RT is in a completely different way than in Russia
                  1. +1
                    12 March 2018 19: 32
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Quote: Balu
                    I live in RT.

                    we have already come to the conclusion that RT is in a completely different way than in Russia

                    We try, there is something to strive for. You will visit RT in Sviyazhsk and Bulgars
                    rest your soul. I remember vainly about ebn. Now, too, at the end or beginning of the year, when consumables are ending, and the tender has not passed, there are difficulties. But, if the self-purchase is not documented and not confirmed by the relevant documents (copy of the receipt, copy of the certificate, contract of sale in a third-party organization), the administration will punish the ruble for verification.
                    For defects in work in the past year, a number of very qualified colleagues were punished with deprivation of the prize. At the same time, the head of the reports calls not to be shy to apply for internships abroad, if the case supports young people. There are problems, but there are people who specifically solve them. This year 10 modern schools will be laid and built. I am against the commercialization of medicine, for expanding the free sector, but alas, funding is still not enough. The successes of the republic are largely due to the fact that both Shaimiev and Minikhanov come from simple rural families, therefore they know the truth of life.
                    1. +1
                      13 March 2018 14: 04
                      I am against the commercialization of medicine, for expanding the free sector, but alas, funding is still not enough. ,,
                      it’s better, someone Kudrin said, the people should co-finance medetsina, and he’s a friend and ally of Putin. There is no money, but you hold on, otherwise he won’t build a house in London.
          3. +8
            12 March 2018 13: 04
            Putin’s in Moscow, and then there’s the boyars of the dog. Well, in Moscow, can you please tell me when you’ll scare the championship, the championship or the State Department. The leader doesn’t have enough time, you’ll have to do this for twenty years .. finally, and the boyars of dogs are sent directly to exile in London or Paris .. Let the dogs toggle around.
          4. +1
            12 March 2018 18: 45
            Recently traveled to the village to relax. 153 residents and FAP. They removed it near the city, because an ambulance city rides.
        2. +14
          12 March 2018 11: 47
          The court is the largest organized criminal community in Russia. Try to enforce the law.
          https://m.vk.com/id453567502
        3. +17
          12 March 2018 11: 47
          Are you serious? Or pinned? Your claims can be substantiated when our elections are fair and independent, and while the elections are farce, all questions are to the “guarantor”. Who have built the vertical for 18 years? I AM?! Why did the GDP nominate my "governor" for a second term with his actual support of 15% of the population, he has 50% of doctors, 1 thousand vacancies. With a salary of a doctor 25-30 thousand at 1,5-2 rates. At honey. sisters up to 20 thousand. Mayors of the city, after the election of the governor, were removed from office for falsifications and pressure on the EC, all heads of the IC were removed, they became famous throughout the country, and the elections are legitimate? And the mayor now "runs" the center of metrology and standardization, is HOW Carl?
        4. +1
          12 March 2018 11: 48
          and you will not prompt what to do?
          1. +6
            12 March 2018 14: 30
            On the branch above, the citizen of liberal views under the nickname K.A.S. spoke out what to do:
            ... want blood, executions, executions of enemies of the people in public ...

            In principle, acceptable!
      3. +19
        12 March 2018 10: 53
        Quote: Silvestr
        They would show the monthly line to the doctors in the clinic, the usual, but not selected, hospital. Then there would be an objective opinion. And so are thimbles.

        At all times, there are people dissatisfied with power. No matter how good a ruler is, there will still be discontented, mourners and cursing authorities. In Russia, it was always ... however, as elsewhere.
        And now on the merits. Gentlemen are dissatisfied, Putin took the country in what condition? The argument of the mourners, - Mol Stalin, for 20 years, raised the country and led it to world leaders. And you recall the price and what measures he introduced in order to obtain such a result? You, who were glad above all in your pocket, wanted to go to collective farms again, get workdays, and get food on cards?
        20 years to revive a country like Russia is not enough. And when the gentlemen sitting here cry about small salaries, I want to tell them, the salary is not satisfied, work more and you will have more salary. The benefit of opportunities to earn a lot now.
        About -
        Quote: Silvestr
        They would show monthly queues to doctors in the clinic,

        Was it different under Yeltsin? You need to file everything now and right away ... I’m not defending Putin, but just humanly fucking up with those mourners who swear by the authorities, work on low-paying jobs, and they don’t even think about earning anywhere else, but at the same time, Putin is to blame for them all. You look pitiful and comical, gentlemen. And for some reason I’m sure that you will go with the whole crowd to vote for Grudinin. Which, of course, will solve the issue of queues in clinics, with kindergartens, schools, etc. ... but I remind you that a salesman in power cannot bring anything good to a country by definition, since his homeland is where the profit is. It is enough to look at the same Parashenko, who is rowing money with a shovel, and he does not care about Ukraine from the big bell tower.
        As for - "why do we need an army, it’s better to give this money to education and medicine."
        Libya was the most successful country in that region, with good medicine, education, earnings ... but Gaddafi cared little for the army and how did it end?
        1. +14
          12 March 2018 11: 05
          Quote: Silvestr
          They would show monthly queues to doctors in the clinic,

          Was it different under Yeltsin?


          When I went to Yeltsin for a day, they gave me a pair of gloves and 5 films to the emergency room. And per day 80-100 people. Sometimes it came to send plaster and bandages to the nearest pharmacy, including and at night.
          There are many problems in the country, and I advise the mourners to their breasts to carefully evaluate how life has changed, the living conditions of themselves and their loved ones at work.
          1. +17
            12 March 2018 11: 49
            carefully appreciated - dick
            1. +7
              12 March 2018 12: 48
              Quote: faiver
              carefully appreciated - dick

              I do not believe glasses wipe or go to the optometrist.
              1. +12
                12 March 2018 12: 54
                you need to take off your pink glasses hi
                1. +2
                  12 March 2018 17: 11
                  Quote: faiver
                  then you need to take off your pink glasses

                  I don’t even know what it is.
            2. +4
              12 March 2018 16: 38
              Quote: faiver
              carefully appreciated - dick

              And what is so bad in your life? Are you getting a little money? Are they holding a salary? Did you get into a mortgage? Well, tell me ... because you do not have pink glasses on your eyes. Enlighten the people and smear the truth of the uterus.
              1. +4
                12 March 2018 17: 02
                I work for myself, but the customers are pulling with payment, thank God, I’ve been provided with housing, but before that I worked in state authorities and in state / municipal institutions, I know the system from the inside and I don’t work in it anymore .. hi
                1. +5
                  12 March 2018 17: 25
                  Quote: faiver
                  I work for myself, but the customers are pulling with payment, thank God, I’ve been provided with housing, but before that I worked in state authorities and in state / municipal institutions, I know the system from the inside and I don’t work in it anymore .. hi

                  If it’s so bad for you, why don’t you change your job, lifestyle, country? Or do you suck from the fact that someone earns more than you? So this is just envy. And if the thought that the oligarchs are stealing does not give you sleep, then go to the prosecutor’s office and, as a prosecutor, fight them.
                  1. +6
                    12 March 2018 18: 00
                    don't judge people by yourself, and if you aren’t aware of the position, the position is very decent, and the system only accepts system players, bosses don’t like when they tell the truth ...
                    1. +2
                      12 March 2018 18: 24
                      Quote: faiver
                      do not judge people by yourself

                      I do not judge. This is you crying that you sucks living in Russia.
                      Quote: faiver
                      and in the prosecutor’s office, if you don’t know the position, it’s worth decent money,

                      But from this place in more detail. Why is the prosecutor’s chair now? And with this attitude, they say that we have corrupt officials as uncut dogs. So here people openly say that the prosecutor’s chair is purchased.
                      Perhaps you can buy it somewhere, only then such a prosecutor, not a prosecutor at all, but a banal urka with a very hairy paw.
                      1. +2
                        12 March 2018 19: 02
                        is this a discovery for you? funny
                      2. 0
                        13 March 2018 08: 32
                        Quote: OBEREG
                        Perhaps you can buy it somewhere, only then such a prosecutor, not a prosecutor at all, but a banal urka with a very hairy paw

                        Are you pretending to be?))
                  2. +2
                    12 March 2018 18: 25
                    Quote: OBEREG
                    And if the thought that the oligarchs are stealing does not give you sleep, then go to the prosecutor’s office and, as a prosecutor, fight them.

                    we even put judges for such a fight, where are we to sivolapym fellow
                    1. +2
                      12 March 2018 18: 38
                      Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                      we even put judges for such a fight, where are we to sivolapym

                      Therefore, I say, EVERYONE SHOULD DO IT. The genecologist will never do the job of the asinizer, and the businessman (that is, the co-worker) will never do the job of the prosecutor. Yes, only we have all the masters to teach someone the right way, while studying and studying in completely different specialties.
                      1. +3
                        12 March 2018 19: 26
                        Quote: OBEREG
                        A genecologist will never do a good job asinizator

                        and nobody seemed to suggest this,
                        Quote: OBEREG
                        Therefore, I say, EVERYONE SHOULD DO IT.

                        Well, the judge dug up a huge network of state theft that goes to the very top and ONE said this although everyone knew, and who was punished? it turns out that we have the entire branch of the judiciary, solid thieves, the guarantor probably is not in the know belay
                  3. +1
                    13 March 2018 14: 09
                    why don't you change work, lifestyle, country ,,
                    you would be treated with the pension that you receive who do not fit into market relations. Well, nothing, everything is ahead of you.
          2. +8
            12 March 2018 12: 03
            Quote: Balu
            When I went to Yeltsin for a day, they gave me a pair of gloves and 5 films.

            and we had enough
            1. +8
              12 March 2018 12: 44
              And where was such happiness ???
              Under Yeltsin, we, completely ashamed to say shame, cadets went to the construction site for dogs, there was nothing, from the word in general.
              1. +4
                12 March 2018 13: 50
                Quote: Squelcher
                And where was such happiness ???

                Bronnitsy MO.
                1. +7
                  12 March 2018 15: 04
                  Well, clearly, I remember in 1997 I came home for a visit, my mother and father worked, my brother and sister studied at school, and there wasn’t even money at home (my salary was scanty and that was delayed), I remembered that very well, and the liberals brought me snowstorm that they will take care of the people, cause a gag reflex. And not just me.
            2. +8
              12 March 2018 13: 10

              and we had enough


              Silvestr, tell me how under Yeltsin state employees bathed in the rays of good and glory, how cash flows poured into hospitals along with material and medicines, and everything was and how things got worse under Putin wassat

              You were the only one in the 90s who was a state employee. The rest does not remember what was

              What kind of public are these accounts intended for? Xs

              Registered February 16, 2018 15:14


              ok so the government took control of General VO. Not yet awarded the Order? Does work time remain?
              1. +6
                12 March 2018 13: 53
                Quote: s-t Petrov
                under Yeltsin, state employees bathed in the rays of good and glory,

                no, to live a bomb, he moonlighted.
                Quote: s-t Petrov
                What kind of public are these accounts intended for? Xs

                on those who doubt everything
                Quote: s-t Petrov
                Does work time remain?

                I go to work 2 times a week, the rest of the time, winter, and you can pay attention to communication. Spring and summer will not be there.
                Quote: s-t Petrov
                Not yet awarded the Order?

                I don’t fight for the order, I do not like enemies
                1. +6
                  12 March 2018 13: 55
                  I go to work 2 times a week


                  amazing schedule. Labor productivity in Russia rolls over good

                  And from whom can I read about the alegarchs and injustices, if not from a person who attends work 2 times a week

                  PS I just envy. I only have to spend 80 hours a month on the way to work and back laughing about your working hours
                  1. +7
                    12 March 2018 14: 35
                    amazing schedule

                    This is a normal schedule if these "twice a week" are days. After a day, a minimum of loose, laid off. Well, if two. Normally, the Labor Code of the Russian Federation should be respected.
                  2. +6
                    12 March 2018 15: 10
                    Quote: s-t Petrov
                    amazing schedule. Labor productivity in Russia rolls over

                    if the state so values ​​me, then what is the question? More work - health is not right

                    Quote: c-Petrov

                    PS I just envy. I only have to spend 80 hours a month on the way to work and back laughing about your working hours

                    I don’t need to envy, this is the result of my 35 years of work and 2 visits to cardiopulmonary resuscitation. Be healthy!
            3. +3
              12 March 2018 17: 15
              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: Balu
              When I went to Yeltsin for a day, they gave me a pair of gloves and 5 films.

              and we had enough

              And I cut the film into pieces, wrapped it in black paper, and I also had enough on duty. But the bandages weren’t enough, they were also given only 10 pieces of gauze cut by nurses, sometimes they had to send accompanying people to the 50-hour pharmacy at night. Implants? I also had to send to the firm. He bought the nuts for Ilizarov’s apparatus at the market for XNUMX kopecks per nut, too, drills, nippers, too.
              Such were the times under Yeltsin and I do not want this anymore.
              1. +3
                12 March 2018 18: 50
                Quote: Balu
                Such were the times under Yeltsin and I do not want this anymore.

                Well, why does the democratic procedure boil down to EBN only?
                What did they want, the protesters?
                1. +2
                  12 March 2018 19: 45
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Well, why does the democratic procedure boil down to EBN only?

                  There has never been any democracy and never will be, these are tales for the naive
                  . The minority has always obeyed the majority, the weak in spirit are subordinate to the strong. Democracy on a pirate ship is no matter where freedom is, and then it is limited by certain requirements for the captain of knowledge, experience, competence, and not who has a sip or tear and who shouts louder.
                  American democracy is democracy? People power? It’s not funny how much blood this terrorist state shed, conquering foreign territories with diamonds, bauxite, hydrocarbons, and uranium.
                  So my place is with those who are for the national sovereignty of Russia, and not for waving European values ​​and disgusting shit democracy.
                  What does GDP_ call for mass activity? On all channels, contests are not so much entertaining as showing people. who have achieved something. I’ll stop, I’m not imposing my opinion, I’m leaving, I won’t clog the air. And so it is clear.
                  1. +2
                    13 March 2018 14: 12
                    So my place is with those who are for the national sovereignty of Russia ,,,
                    I understand that the families of senior officials living abroad do not bother you.
        2. +8
          12 March 2018 11: 10
          And for some reason I’m sure that you will go to the crowd to vote for Grudinin


          You got excited about the crowd. There are more people at a rural disco than at a rally-party for the chairman in 14 millionth the capital. Of course, he will vote more - than this "crowd" - but still this is the level of error.

          And how gloriously I adherents painted as for Grudinin the whole YouTube and the Internet and the website of VO. Well, this is from a great mind, if not cool. It turned out that the main extras on the Internet are bots.
          Such a candidate. I bought VKontakte groups with bots, but to no avail. The whole of YouTube failed by spending a good budget on it - and in Moscow the error on the exhaust gathered. E - efficiency. He still tells Putin something about effectiveness, criticizes him, and sets his own thoughts as an example — not even funny.



          Libya was the most successful country in that region.


          Yes, you need to look for a region where Libyan social policy would not be an example.
        3. +3
          12 March 2018 11: 19
          Quote: OBEREG
          I’m just humanly fucking up with those mourners who swear by the authorities, work on low-paying jobs, and they don’t even think about earning anywhere else, but at the same time, Putin is to blame for everything.

          They are not gentlemen.
          They are comrades. They are sure that all people are equal. That it is necessary to take everything and divide equally.
          For thousands of years, these ravings about equality have been walking in the vastness of civilizations. However, NO ONE society could not build a society of equality, due to the lack of such among their members due to the natural property of random mutations, at least.
          so it only remained for such comrades to use the thirst for justice among the poorly educated masses to achieve their power and well-being.
          Honestly, capitalism in this sense is more honest. Nobody hides anything - there are fools, here are smart. Here are the wolves, but the sheep. As in nature everything exists.
          1. +16
            12 March 2018 12: 34
            Quote: Mestny
            Honestly, capitalism in this sense is more honest. Nobody hides anything - there are fools, here are smart. Here are the wolves, but the sheep. As in nature everything exists.

            good words. Then the GDP should be honestly told about this, and not promised.
            “We have a unique chance in the next decade to radically solve the housing problem. I consider this issue the most important for both the Government and the leaders of the regions,” this is from an appeal to the Federal Assembly in 2012. Performed?
            And so everyone expects from him only the good, and the good - only for the ruling class. The rest is a broom. One must be honest and not promise the impossible.
            1. +2
              12 March 2018 14: 47
              Only good people are expected from someone who is not very smart.
              Normal people know what happens in different ways and good and not so good.
              Something turns out, but something does not. Despite the desire.
              1. +2
                12 March 2018 15: 02
                Quote: Mestny
                Only good people are expected from someone who is not very smart.

                you are so in vain.
        4. +22
          12 March 2018 11: 22
          Quote: OBEREG
          Gentlemen are dissatisfied, Putin took the country in what condition?

          and in what condition was the medicine? I worked at this time I can say, you know something?
          Quote: OBEREG
          20 years to revive a country like Russia is not enough.

          if resuscitation is to reduce hospitals, then this is not resuscitation. Over one thousand patients passed through our intensive care unit last year. Why's that? The population is the same and there are more people who came to intensive care and more deaths. Answer, a connoisseur of medicine!
          Quote: OBEREG
          And for some reason I’m sure that you will go to the crowd to vote for Grudinin

          but for some reason I’m sure that such crowds will go to vote for the only one, and when they get into the millstone of circumstances, they will shout, "But what about me?"
          Quote: OBEREG
          why do we need an army, it’s better to give this money to education and medicine. "

          sorry, but what, these are incompatible things? Or army or health? Can I click on the oligarchs, would everyone buy a rocket for the country? Or is there still no money in the country?

          Quote: OBEREG
          Gaddafi cared little about the army, and how did it end?

          and the USSR cared little for the army, and how did it end?
          1. +8
            12 March 2018 11: 34
            Quote: Silvestr
            and in what condition was the medicine? I worked at this time I can say, you know something?

            After the collapse of the USSR? Under Yeltsin? You want to say that with medicine at that time everything was fine? Excuse me, you definitely lived at that time?

            Quote: Silvestr
            The population is the same and there are more people who came to intensive care and more deaths. Answer, a connoisseur of medicine!

            Sorry, what age and in which regions are more? Or are you talking for the whole of Russia, a connoisseur of medicine? They come to intensive care for various reasons, and this is not only heart attacks and strokes, dear. You do not need to cast a shadow on the wattle fence now. For example, from car accidents.

            Quote: Silvestr
            but for some reason I’m sure that such crowds will go to vote for the only one, and when they get into the millstone of circumstances, they will shout, "But what about me?"

            I haven’t said this for 20 years, why should I say now? I work, I don’t whine about a small salary, and I am glad that there is no such mess as under EBN, with shuttles, Cherkizon, brotherly and wild capitalism, and I am also happy that there is a peaceful sky above my family. And for this I am grateful to Putin.
            Quote: Silvestr
            and the USSR cared little for the army, and how did it end?

            Here ... the USSR is not destroyed from the outside, but from the inside. And now the question is, who destroyed it from the inside? And right away there is an answer, by such gentlemen who, now, thinking of their selfish interest, will go to vote for Grudinin.
            1. +4
              12 March 2018 12: 24
              The USSR is not destroyed from the outside, but from the inside. And now the question is, who destroyed it from the inside? And right away there is an answer, by such gentlemen who, now, thinking of their selfish interest, will go to vote for Grudinin.
              The funny thing is that this is true. The generation that ruined the Union, nov about 200 varieties of sausage and kefir, which we did not have then on the shelves ... now will go to vote for Grudin, who made a fortune on scam with the lands of the Moscow region and vparivat everyone about strawberries. So many years have passed, but the mind has not increased, unfortunately.
              1. +5
                12 March 2018 15: 23
                Quote: nadezhiva
                A sternum that made a fortune on scams with the lands of the Moscow Region and steals everything about strawberries. So many years have passed, but the mind has not increased, unfortunately.

                And you look to the south-west of Moscow, whose houses are there and what size are they? I think that Grudinin nervously smokes on the sidelines compared to the current ones. Nothing personal, I'm just for honesty. Scold someone for something, report for your own.
                1. +3
                  12 March 2018 16: 31
                  Quote: uskrabut
                  Scold someone for something, report for your own.

                  Or maybe it’s better to stop counting other people's money, rather than “picking oneself in the trash”, looking for who is to blame and why some live better than others?
                  I’m the home of the oligarchs. This is a matter of the prosecutor's office and the tax police. I have my work to eat at least backwards, and to point a finger at the thief, I have neither the desire nor the time.
                  I don’t like to count other people's money, considering it bad form, and I don’t perceive people who believe that someone is obliged to do their work for them, so that they live better.
              2. +5
                12 March 2018 19: 14
                Quote: nadezhiva
                The generation that destroyed the Union, Nov about 200 varieties of sausage and kefir, which we did not have then on the shelves ... now will go to vote for Grudin

                Are you talking about these?

                Didn't you fight the CPSU?
            2. +11
              12 March 2018 12: 53
              Quote: OBEREG
              You want to say that with medicine at that time everything was fine?

              a person could get into bed and be treated. Now getting into bed is a problem. For 2015 the number of hospital beds decreased from 1,67 million to 1,22 million (1932 level)
              Quote: OBEREG
              Or are you talking for the whole of Russia, a connoisseur of medicine?

              I am writing about my own. But when some begin to testify to the "excellent" health care throughout the country, then I want to object
              Quote: OBEREG
              They come to intensive care for various reasons, and this is not only heart attacks and strokes, dear. You do not need to cast a shadow on the wattle fence now. For example, from car accidents.

              There are indicators of injuries and morbidity that are established for each area. They can fluctuate, but not in significant size. The Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation proceeds from the same.
              A significant increase in admission to intensive care is either due to a focus of increased incidence / injury and / or \ along with the poor performance of primary care. This link may work poorly due to: overload, imperfection of the organization, etc. In simple terms, this is expressed in the fact that the patient cannot go to the doctor for various reasons.
              But if in 2000 each clinic for an shift took an average of 166 people, then in 2015 there were already 208 people. The norm of admission is 10 minutes per person. Estimate: in 10 minutes to listen, examine, see analyzes (if any) to comprehend and prescribe treatment, write out prescriptions and put all this into a computer. Try it yourself in 10 minutes.
              That is why home mortality in 2015 increased by 5,5% in Russia as a whole, by 72% in Moscow, 75% in the Volgograd region, 153% in the Leningrad region and 161% in the Novgorod region.
              Quote: OBEREG
              I work, I don’t whine about a small salary,

              are you so about yourself I did not write anything about salaries to doctors. Personally, I have a decent salary. But do you need anything besides a salary at work?
              Quote: OBEREG
              The USSR is not destroyed from the outside, but from the inside. And now the question is, who destroyed it from the inside?

              so by whom was it destroyed from the inside? Enlighten.
              1. +7
                12 March 2018 13: 17
                Quote: Silvestr
                a person could get into bed and be treated. Now getting into bed is a problem. For 2015 the number of hospital beds decreased from 1,67 million to 1,22 million (1932 level)

                And in the 90s, when you didn’t have the hated Putin, there were always no problems getting to the hospital bed?
                Quote: Silvestr
                I am writing about my own. But when some begin to testify to the "excellent" health care throughout the country, then I want to object

                Exactly ... in other words, the ant talks about everything anthills with the appearance of an expert. You judge by the fact that around you ... well, so sorry. If you are a doctor and put up with this state of affairs in your hospital, then this only means that you are stupidly poher, and at the same time, to rant on the topic - "a bastard in power" is sacred. Should Putin come to you and knock everything out and improve for you?
                Quote: Silvestr
                Estimate: in 10 minutes, listen, examine, review the tests (if any), comprehend and prescribe treatment, write out prescriptions and put all this into a computer. Try it yourself in 10 minutes.

                Try, having one brigade, turn in deadlines, say just two or three ships, building from scratch. I mean, every profession and job has its own haemorrhoids, but I don’t see the point of whining about the severity, lack of time, because we have at our disposal how many specialists we produce today. We will produce more specialists, it will become simpler, easier and more convenient. But a good specialist must be educated and taught, and this is the time. This is what Putin spoke about at the Meeting ... having developed new weapons, we won time for the development of the civil sphere of the state. Tk this domoklov sword hung above us all the time and talk about the fact that the war would be in the context, it will definitely be. Now, this threshold is pushed back for decades, for which we will have to deal with a citizen.
                Quote: Silvestr
                are you so about yourself And besides the salary at work you do not need anything?

                If you are about a career, bonuses and other benefits, then all this is. Moreover, I work in two jobs, so that there is no temptation to whine about lack of money, poor power, etc. ... while there is still time for rest. But you won’t earn all the money. Living on the principle of money needs so much that you and your family have enough. And in the race for billions, life can pass. And you can’t drag all these billions into a coffin.

                Quote: Silvestr
                so by whom was it destroyed from the inside? Enlighten.

                Apparently here are such "enlightened" people who have lousy, sorry, brains, to ordinary people, talking about the enlightened and paradise west with their civilized capitalism and freedoms. I’ll tell you one thing that is suitable for the West, on our earth akin to the action of poison. We always had a different path, but often we forget about it.
                1. +7
                  12 March 2018 14: 05
                  Quote: OBEREG
                  when you didn’t have the hated Putin, there were always no problems getting to the hospital bed?

                  I treat your idol calmly, unlike you. I was in your mood for the first 2 terms.
                  Quote: OBEREG
                  You judge by the fact that around you ... well, so sorry.

                  and you judge everything by the pictures of the box? Strange, a person contemplates the environment and draws conclusions.
                  Quote: OBEREG
                  having one brigade, turn in deadlines, say just two or three ships, building from scratch.

                  and you try to operate on 2 tables and that no one died! Try to talk to relatives so that they leave in peace. Are you tired of working? The hardest work with people!
                  Quote: OBEREG
                  having developed new weapons, we won time for the development of the civil sphere of the state.

                  I don’t understand you! Does one contradict the other? Or at all costs and even at the cost of theft?
                  And then, where did I indicate that the army is bad?
                  Quote: OBEREG
                  If you are about a career, bonuses and other benefits

                  I am about the pleasure of working. And you only have money!
                  Quote: OBEREG
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  so by whom was it destroyed from the inside? Enlighten.

                  Apparently such "enlightened" people

                  Thank God. I have not read a more absurd conclusion. hi
                  1. +3
                    12 March 2018 14: 19
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    I treat your idol calmly, unlike you. I was in your mood for the first 2 terms.

                    Dear, there are idols, stars, etc. in your view ... I relate to Putin simply, there is simply no decent alternative. And over 20 years in the country, much has become simply better. I remember what happened in the 90s, starting with the Chechen war and ending with total bantitism throughout the country. You are broadcasting here that it was better then, and at the same time, saying that now you feel bad, maybe everything in your hospital is bad. Do not hesitate to show your real indifference to your own work and to your hospital. It’s easier to blame Putin for everything, and not to start with your beloved who goes to work 2 times a week, while saying that they pay little money.
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    and you judge everything by the pictures of the box? Strange, a person contemplates the environment and draws conclusions.

                    No dear, you don’t sew this cliche to me. I look at my life, the life of my family, and my friends ... and I see that everything has changed for the better, although it’s difficult and not just now, but still, it’s better .
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    and you try to operate on 2 tables and that no one died! Try to talk to relatives so that they leave in peace. Are you tired of working? The hardest work with people!

                    And who argues that? Only nobody forcibly drove you to these galleys. Have you yourself, at your request, finished your university’s honey, practice, etc. ... or are you forced to do this work? Each profession has its own difficulties, but I think it’s indecent to whine about it because you yourself have chosen this profession. It was not Putin who did it for you, but you yourself.
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    I am about the pleasure of working. And you only have money!

                    I said everything is in the compartment. I love my work and studied it consciously, and not how you are under anesthesia, so that later you can say how hard it is and how bad Putin is because of this.
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Thank God. I have not read a more absurd conclusion.

                    Well, the insanity of your thoughts generally borders on the arguments of such a sloth with a claim to the star of the Hero of Labor.
                    1. +8
                      12 March 2018 18: 52
                      Quote: OBEREG
                      Well, the insanity of your thoughts generally borders on the arguments of such a sloth with a claim to the star of the Hero of Labor

                      I am very far from your absurdity
            3. +5
              12 March 2018 17: 13
              Quote: OBEREG
              Here ... the USSR is not destroyed from the outside, but from the inside. And now the question is, who destroyed it from the inside? And right away there is an answer, by such gentlemen who, now, thinking of their selfish interest, will go to vote for Grudinin.

              And here you are lying. The USSR was destroyed by neovlasovtsy from the oligarchy of the Russian Federation. And for the hired manager of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, people like you will go to vote.
              1. +3
                12 March 2018 17: 32
                Quote: zoolu350
                And here you are lying. The USSR was destroyed by neovlasovs from the oligarchy of the Russian Federation

                And it is not inside destroyed by the USSR? fool
                Quote: zoolu350
                And for the hired manager of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, people like you will go to vote.

                Your Grudinin or Sobchak are not at all managers with a thirst to enrich themselves and surrender Russia to the West, as was already the case under EBN. laughing Dear, do not build an innocent girl out of yourself. Politics is a dirty business and any ruler does not have a countable number of skeletons in a closet. But unlike Grudinin, Sobchak, Putin has not gone under the West for 20 years. And your philosophy of a girl with low social responsibility is good only in a brothel in Amsterdam, but not in the Russian Federation.
                1. +6
                  12 March 2018 17: 55
                  Quote: OBEREG
                  Your Grudinin or Sobchak are not at all managers with a thirst to enrich themselves and surrender Russia to the West, as was already the case under EBN. laughing Dear, do not build an innocent girl out of yourself. Politics is a dirty business and any ruler does not have a countable number of skeletons in a closet. But unlike Grudinin, Sobchak, Putin has not gone under the West for 20 years. And your philosophy of a girl with low social responsibility is good only in a brothel in Amsterdam, but not in the Russian Federation.

                  This hired manager of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation did not go to the West?
                  And what is the popular blood money in the filthy papers of the Fed?
                  And what about the merged Ukraine?
                  But what about torn flags from diplomatic missions?
                  And what about tomatoes for Su-24?
                  And what about gray robes and a white flag at the Olympics?
                  1. +2
                    12 March 2018 18: 32
                    Quote: zoolu350
                    This hired manager of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation did not go to the West?

                    Oh, how ... if he lay down, now, the liberals wouldn’t salivate, but would glorify Putin at all corners together with the US State Department.
                    Quote: zoolu350
                    And what is the popular blood money in the filthy papers of the Fed?

                    Estimate and China is investing in US bonds, albeit in contra with them. And India. Do you have an alternative currency in which we need to invest our hard-earned capital? Have you created another financial system?
                    Quote: zoolu350
                    And what about the merged Ukraine?

                    And who merged it? 40 million people do not live there, but 40 million downs live, who did not understand whom they chose? Russia was leaked to the West in the 90s and at least one of the fraternal republics tried to prevent this?

                    Quote: zoolu350
                    And what about tomatoes for Su-24?

                    And in your opinion, it was necessary to declare war on Turkey and the whole of NATO, thereby kindling an even bigger fire in the BV? I’m not talking about the lives of our fighters ... you don’t care less than that. It’s smarter to wave your saber on the sofa.
                    Quote: zoolu350
                    And what about gray robes and a white flag at the Olympics?

                    This is all called what you listed as components of a political, economic, information war against us. And we win somewhere, and somewhere we lose.
                    1. +5
                      12 March 2018 19: 01
                      Quote: OBEREG
                      Estimate and China is investing in US bonds, albeit in contra with them. And India. Do you have an alternative currency in which we need to invest our hard-earned capital? Have you created another financial system?
                      And who merged it? 40 million people do not live there, but 40 million downs live, who did not understand whom they chose? Russia was merged in the West in the 90s and at least someone from the fraternal republics tried to prevent this?
                      And in your opinion, it was necessary to declare war on Turkey and the whole of NATO, thereby kindling an even bigger fire in the BV? I’m not talking about the lives of our fighters ... you don’t care less than that. It’s smarter to wave your saber on the sofa.
                      This is all called what you listed as components of a political, economic, information war against us. And we win somewhere, and somewhere we lose.

                      China is developing by leaps and bounds, unlike the Russian Federation. Money must be invested in its own industry, science, education, and medicine. If the oligarchy of the Russian Federation has not created its own financial system, this is purely its problem.
                      Ukraine was leaked by the oligarchy of the Russian Federation to the owners of the Fed, who actively sponsored banderlogs. That is, on the security of their own borders the Russian oligarchy was ...........
                      And to bring down at least 3 Turkish aircraft in response is not fate? I also found the cat Leopold. He regrets the fighters, but parallel to the real pilots of the Su-24, Su-25 and the guys from the PMC "Wagner".
                      They didn’t even try to squeak on the last question, because the drain of the Russian oligarchy here will not be smeared with putty.
                      1. +2
                        13 March 2018 00: 20
                        Quote: zoolu350
                        China is developing by leaps and bounds, unlike the Russian Federation.

                        And at the top they do not sit oligarchs? laughing
                        Quote: zoolu350
                        Money must be invested in its own industry, science, education, and medicine.

                        Now what are we investing in?
                        Quote: zoolu350
                        If the oligarchy of the Russian Federation has not created its own financial system, this is purely its problem.

                        And here is the oligarchy, dear? Sit down slogans scribble, not understanding what to write ... An alternative financial system, so that the ruble does not go underground, so that you get paid and not a penny, etc., who should create? Americans? Chinese? You are such a thick nonsense write that I read and wonder
                        Quote: zoolu350
                        Ukraine merged the oligarchy of the Russian Federation to the owners of the Fed,

                        Another slogan ... at the time of 91 years, we had the opportunity to keep Ukraine in the pro-Russian channel? Namely, from that time, and even earlier, this scum bloomed in the form of the Nazis and their gang. Or do you think they hatched only in '14?
                        Quote: zoolu350
                        And to bring down at least 3 Turkish aircraft in response is not fate?

                        And to get a protracted war in the BV that would completely bleed our economy? Clever ... straight Chapai. And wasn’t this what the states were trying to achieve by voting that we would get bogged down in Syria, like in the USSR Afghanistan?

                        Quote: zoolu350
                        He regrets the fighters, but parallel to the real pilots of the Su-24, Su-25 and the guys from the Wagner PMC.

                        Imagine, I'll probably reveal a big secret to you, but they’re killing in a war. Or were you not in the know?
                        Quote: zoolu350
                        They didn’t even try to squeak on the last question, because the drain of the Russian oligarchy here will not be smeared with putty.

                        Continue to push slogans ... it amuses. hi
                2. +11
                  12 March 2018 19: 02
                  Quote: OBEREG
                  But unlike Grudinin, Sobchak, Putin did not lie under the West for 20 years

                  it is such did not fall under the West?

                  1. The ardent patriot Zheleznyak also did not find a place for his offspring in Russia. Dad’s daughters studied in geyrop (Switzerland and Great Britain).
                  2. The deputy Remezkov, out of love for the motherland, decided not to desecrate it with his offspring and sent his daughter and son to the geyropa. The worst son, in general, is studying at a military academy in the USA
                  3. The daughter of a former member of the Security Council Gryzlov has Estonian citizenship and lives in Tallinn
                  4. The son of Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev studied at the University of Massachusetts in the USA.
                  5. Yakunin! And he fled to England with money.
                  To whom does this elite owe prosperity? Trump?
                  Remember your friend Brzezinski!

                  and do not shake the air. Remember what Saltykov-Shchedrin said?
                  1. +2
                    13 March 2018 00: 26
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    it is such did not fall under the West?

                    So what? Do I have to shoot them? You can wipe this training manual to holes, forgive me to hang it in the toilet. Do you remember how to lie down under the West? Well ... with EBN, who were the consultants in the administration, not the Americans? But is it not the same in Ukraine now?
                    If the West arranged for Putin, they would not impose sanctions, would not surround us with bases, would not catch Europeans about the terrible evil green men.
                    And the fact that the children of many bureaucrats are studying in the West ... is their choice. And this does not mean that I should like it.
          2. +1
            12 March 2018 17: 23
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: OBEREG
            Gaddafi cared little about the army, and how did it end?
            and the USSR cared little for the army, and how did it end?

            Do not distort!
            The USSR was just taking care of the army too much - beyond the limits of reasonable sufficiency and beyond the country's economic capabilities, which to some extent contributed to the disaster. But only to some extent ....
            But there is a significant difference - Libya was destroyed from the outside, and the USSR collapsed due to the betrayal of the elite, which, as it turned out, was not an elite, but to a large extent a bunch of grabbers. True, I highly doubt that Libya, with its 6 millionth population, could withstand the entire NATO bloc. So whether Gaddafi paid much attention to the army or not, the difference would not be too big. Moreover, it is worth noting that the United States at first did not get involved in the destruction of Libya, but after the Euronatians ran out of ammunition, they pulled themselves up. But nuclear weapons, like Kim, to create Gaddafi was simply beyond reality. hi
            1. +2
              12 March 2018 17: 44
              Quote: andj61
              But there is a significant difference - Libya was destroyed from the outside, and the USSR collapsed due to the betrayal of the elite,

              Are you sure? That is, when the Ishilovites chopped off most of Libya and Gaddafi stupidly betrayed, is that from your outside? What was the composition of the igles at the time of the war in Libya? How many Libyans fought on the side of the igil? Is the Arab spring from outside? Is the Ukrainian Maidan also from outside?
              Distort just you, dear. Gaddafi could with his gold reserves do what UN did, but he believed the states, for which he paid. And we once believed the states and also paid with rivers of blood, poverty and a census of history.
              1. 0
                14 March 2018 11: 27
                Quote: OBEREG
                Quote: andj61
                But there is a significant difference - Libya was destroyed from the outside, and the USSR collapsed due to the betrayal of the elite,

                Are you sure? That is, when the Ishilovites chopped off most of Libya and Gaddafi stupidly betrayed, is that from your outside? What was the composition of the igles at the time of the war in Libya? How many Libyans fought on the side of the igil? Is the Arab spring from outside? Is the Ukrainian Maidan also from outside?
                Distort just you, dear. Gaddafi could with his gold reserves do what UN did, but he believed the states, for which he paid. And we once believed the states and also paid with rivers of blood, poverty and a census of history.

                Yes, the Arab spring is from the outside! The Ishilovites came to Libya AFTER the overthrow of Gaddafi. Gaddafi was killed in 2011 - at that time ISIS was a small group in Iraq and no one knew or heard about it, but really only began to gain strength in 2013. The French and British crowded the desert and pressured and bribed to cross all sorts of tribes and groups to the side of the armed "opposition" they themselves created. Although what kind of opposition can there be armed? These are ordinary bandits! And without the special forces of England and France, as well as without their air umbrella and the bombing of troops loyal to Gaddafi, there would simply be no internal military confrontation. So there was precisely the intervention. Gaddafi had very few chances to go along the path of Kim — and not Un at all, but his father and grandfather — the population and level of local scientists and industrialists (and in general there were no opportunities to create a whole new industry) did not allow this. And it is impossible to attract Western scientists and production workers for these purposes. The example of Pakistan does not work here - this country just had the opportunity and was able to use its scientists and create entire industries. And North Korea’s geopolitical position is different - neither China nor Russia can simply allow the outbreak of a nuclear war at its borders. And in the case of Libya, it’s not at all a fact that the very existence of nuclear weapons would stop England-France-USA. It could be the other way around, would have spurred.
            2. +4
              12 March 2018 19: 05
              Quote: andj61
              Do not distort!

              I brought a counterargument to the opponent about the strength of the army. In my opinion it is very appropriate
              1. 0
                14 March 2018 11: 36
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: andj61
                Do not distort!

                I brought a counterargument to the opponent about the strength of the army. In my opinion it is very appropriate

                What is appropriate? That the USSR did not care about the strength of the army? So this is obvious absurdity! fellow Maybe you were mistaken, and you had to say "the USSR spent a lot on the army"? Then it would be a counterargument. feel
                What about the weakness of the Libyan army (though it was the CHANCE said, but you agreed with him)? So nobody argues with this. But Libya could not have a strong army in principle. Before the start of the zero years, its population was less than 5 million people (Now it is estimated at 6 million with a small one, but here immigrants also count.) What army could such a country afford? But the army was, and by Arab standards - not bad, and they spent a lot of money on defense. hi
        5. +5
          12 March 2018 14: 16
          Quote: OBEREG
          You need to file everything now and right away ... I’m not defending Putin, but just humanly fucking with such mourners,

          Not all at once .. after 1000 years it will definitely be better))) Can the share of Russia in world GDP be in numbers? Well, not words, but numbers?
          1. +4
            12 March 2018 14: 23
            Quote: Semen1972
            Not all at once .. after 1000 years it will definitely be better))) Can the share of Russia in world GDP be in numbers? Well, not words, but numbers?

            Wow ... expert. And can you find out your personal salary and the numbers that you would like to receive?
            1. 0
              13 March 2018 12: 43
              Quote: OBEREG
              And can you find out your personal salary and the numbers that you would like to receive?

              It is impossible, it is a commercial secret and under the contract I have no right to divulge it.
        6. +5
          12 March 2018 16: 24
          took the country
          So he is an invader! He didn’t take anything, before that the club directors were trained for positions, for three years, changed positions every six months. Perestroika-transition from socialism to capitalism was started. The transition was completed in 1998, but two more years the clerk was dragged over the country.
          power huckster
          I hope you think the current KGB specialist, from where he escaped back in 1990
          It is enough to look at the same Parashenko, who is rowing money with a shovel, and he does not care about Ukraine from the big bell tower.
          change the last name and the name of the country will not change anything.
          1. +3
            12 March 2018 16: 35
            Quote: Gardamir
            change the last name and the name of the country will not change anything.

            Seriously? Are you in poverty? Pay exorbitant prices for gas, get a penny for your work? Is war going on in your country? In your cities, the Nazis organize a fire procession?
            Do not know how to troll and do not handle. But bullshit does not need to write a lot of mind. It’s stupid to say that Putin is to blame for everything and you will marry a smart one.
            1. +4
              12 March 2018 16: 56
              It’s stupid to say that Putin is to blame for everything and you will marry a smart one.
              Well, you say that Putin is well done in everything, even you can’t accept criticism.
              Are you in poverty? You pay exorbitant prices for gas, get a penny for your work? Is war going on in your country? In your cities, the Nazis organize a fire procession?

              Suppose I don’t misunderstand that there is about 20 million below the poverty line, Why not do your Putin as in the Union without beggars and homeless people? Pomeranian gas price is how much? Especially in the country producing gas. By the way, why is the price of gas rising? You powerfully pushed about the war and the Nazis so as not to talk for a long time, why, having taken the Crimea, Putin refused Kharkov and Donbass.
              1. +2
                12 March 2018 17: 07
                Quote: Gardamir
                Well, you say that Putin is well done in everything,

                Show me where I wrote it. I talked about the fact that there is no alternative to Putin today.
                Quote: Gardamir
                let's say I do not live in poverty

                So your statements are nothing more than slogans and idle talk.
                Quote: Gardamir
                what about 20 million below the poverty line

                And here I come back to what I said earlier, everything doesn’t happen at once. You do not need Putin or Grudinin, you need the ALADINE LAMP.
                Quote: Gardamir
                Why not make your Putin like in the Union without beggars and homeless people?

                Yes, I would only. We will return the territory of the former USSR and everything will be as you said. Even an article about parasitism.
                Quote: Gardamir
                You powerfully pushed about the war and the Nazis so as not to talk for a long time, why, having taken the Crimea, Putin refused Kharkov and Donbass.

                Wow ... took Crimea right? And the results of the referendum are sideways, right? Was there a referendum in Kharkov? About Donbass ... you can pick it up, but only NOW if we do this, then we will become aggressors for most Ukrainians with all the consequences. The question of the legality of such steps. Everything was legal with Crimea. May God and Donbass return to Russia by the very Odessa. I will only be for it.
                1. +4
                  12 March 2018 17: 23
                  Show me where I wrote it. I talked about the fact that there is no alternative to Putin today.
                  what's the difference?
                  slogans and empty idle talk.
                  it's just stupid. To pretend that some collect money for treatment with SMSs, and some Sechin - 2 million per day.
                  all at once does not happen.
                  it happens. already wrote many times compare 18 years of Putin and from 1923 to 1941
                  We will return the territory of the former
                  we won’t start living before that, but read your note completely, contradict it through the line, then not immediately, then we will return it, or some kind of referendum. If you seriously believe in these naiveties, it is better to play games. About Krymnash was discussed back in the fall, or will you tell me what the ballots printed for the day. And about the uprising of the Crimean Tatars, will you look for the video yourself or have you forgotten everything that happened then in the Crimea and Ukraine? Back in April, all of Ukraine would be ours (I mean New Russia and Little Russia), but there were no orders.
                  1. +2
                    12 March 2018 18: 17
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    what's the difference?

                    The difference is that if there was a serious alternative to Putin, but simply a person who loves Russia and knows how to make it stronger, better, richer, then I would vote for him, and not for Putin. But today, there is no alternative.
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    To pretend that some collect money for treatment with SMSs, and some Sechin - 2 million per day.

                    I repeat, do not consider other people's money, this is the work of the prosecutor's office, the tax, anti-corruption committee ... you do your job well. If everyone starts to do their job well, rather than peeping at keyholes, and trying to do the work of another, being a complete layman in it, then we will swear by the authorities and talk about 20 million people in distress.
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    it happens. already wrote many times compare 18 years of Putin and from 1923 to 1941

                    Okay ... let's compare. We will introduce collectivization, repression, return the Gulag, put all the designers in sharashka ... you can list a lot. No problem. Just a question, will you like it for sure, or are you calling like that from a feeling of nostalgia for the USSR?
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    we won’t start living before that, but read your note completely, contradict it through the line, then not immediately, then we will return it, or some kind of referendum.

                    What is the contradiction? Or is it normal for you, as in the 90s, to stupidly take away the rights of the strong, like a bandit? You probably don’t know about the referendum and the legality of the annexation of Crimea is also not a rumor. You read what you write, and then talk about my words.
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    About Krymnash was discussed back in the fall, or will you tell me what the ballots printed for the day.

                    Dear, let's start with what ...
                    In accordance with the decision of the IV Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR on March 17, 1991, an All-Union referendum was held in the Soviet Union. The question was put to the general vote: “Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which human rights and freedoms of any nationality are fully guaranteed?”

                    80% of the country's voters participated in the all-union referendum. Of these, “Yes” answered 76,4%. Including in Ukraine: 83,5% took part, 70,2% voted to preserve the Union. In Crimea (without the city of Sevastopol), 1 people (085%) out of 570 (87,6%) who voted in favor of the vote.

                    Further...
                    On May 6, 1992, the Supreme Council of Crimea adopted the Constitution of the Republic, which secured the status of Crimea as a legal, democratic state. Moreover, according to Article 9 of the Constitution, the Republic of Crimea was a part of the state of Ukraine, but determined its relations with it on the basis of an agreement and agreements. Article 10 established that the Republic of Crimea is on its own enters into relations with other states and organizations, carries out mutually beneficial cooperation with them on the basis of contracts and agreements in the economy, culture, healthcare, education, science and other fields.
                    However, on May 13, 1992, the Supreme Council of Ukraine adopted a decree ordering the Supreme Council of the Republic of Crimea to repeal its decisions on the Act on the Proclamation of State Independence and the holding of a general Crimean referendum as contrary to the Constitution of Ukraine.

                    The legal nature of this decision itself contradicted, firstly, one of the most important principles of international law - the equal rights and self-determination of peoples, which was enshrined in a number of UN documents:

                    I can continue to continue both in terms of language and the illegality of Kiev’s decisions regarding Crimea.
                    Printing bulletins in a couple of hours is not a problem, having the power, power and desire. So this is not an argument.
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    And about the uprising of the Crimean Tatars, will you look for the video yourself or have you forgotten everything that happened then in the Crimea and Ukraine?

                    According to the Tatars, I will say that they were always dissatisfied with something in the days of the USSR. This small nation has slurped in the history of both the USSR and Ukraine ... you can understand them.
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    Back in April, all of Ukraine would be ours (I mean New Russia and Little Russia), but there were no orders.

                    You would have to run for president. All that you know about the orders and about the possibilities ... Putin himself reports the situation?
                    1. +7
                      12 March 2018 18: 30
                      an alternative to Putin
                      You do not like Grudinin, but Putin is also Shuvalov, Chubais, Kudrin, Dvorkovich Nabiullina. Or will you begin to prove to me now that these ... were appointed by the Barn and the Tramp?
                      do not count other people's money
                      Yes, I don’t think so, but one of Putin’s supporters said, you remember, hold on ... and you wanted to a person who dreams of raising children, go to business, that is, the state is not interested in educated, and who will develop super rockets?
                      All that you know about orders and opportunities ..
                      I am a good chess player and am able to process data, and Putin’s reports are useless to me, otherwise it will confuse me.
                      1. +2
                        12 March 2018 18: 42
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        You do not like Grudinin, but Putin is also Shuvalov, Chubais, Kudrin, Dvorkovich Nabiullina.

                        You are sucking something out of my words, fantasizing and passing off as I said it. Where did I say that I like everything that is going on under Putin? Well, learn to read a pancake at last.
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        I am a good chess player and am able to process data, and Putin’s reports are useless to me, otherwise it will confuse me.

                        I’ll tell you a secret, you are not the only one able to process information.
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        1. +7
          12 March 2018 19: 06
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          but you were persistent, hope? Or puke everything as usual?

          the level of your development and education is understandable. Adieu
      5. +3
        12 March 2018 11: 31
        how “Channel 1” and “Russia” are trying!
        Yesterday I turned on: up to nausea it’s disgusting to look at the bastards- "everything is fine, everything is fine, a little more!"

        This is called an administrative resource.
        It is thus used in the election process in all democratic countries, and of course in Russia too.
        On the other hand, no one forbids saying the opposite in a democratic country. Nobody, pay attention does not close the media, does not interfere with the howl on the Internet about bad Putin.
        This is freedom of speech.
        And who is to blame for the fact that the speeches of opponents of the authorities most often resemble delirium of not very healthy people? Is power again?
        1. +5
          12 March 2018 16: 36
          And who is to blame for the fact that the speeches of opponents of the authorities most often resemble delirium of not very healthy people? Is power again?
          you have a typo, right so
          And who is to blame for the fact that the speeches of the supporters of the authorities most often resemble the delirium of not very healthy people? Is power again?
    3. +1
      12 March 2018 20: 19
      turbris Today, 09:50
      Oleg Chuvakin is trying very hard before the elections, but I’m not interested in the opinion of some Kotkin, and especially Christian Ash, what he writes there for the German public. And here is why the author clearly understands them on the VO website!

      Something I did not see your dissatisfaction about the billionaire Grudinin, who is very trying at VO for his guardian for the people
  3. +18
    12 March 2018 09: 54
    So if the people of Putin chose it would be clear! Alas, this is not so. Therefore, the oligarchy will choose it again.
    1. +1
      12 March 2018 10: 07
      All persecution mania, the Communists have their own sociological service that does the polls, read on the website of the Communist Party, Putin has the same percentage on their polls as VTsIOM.
      1. +18
        12 March 2018 10: 39
        on YouTube, it’s full of commercials, as in different cities of the country, he called for the elections from “edra” they drive almost with “ragged rags” - that’s an indicator ...
        1. +2
          12 March 2018 12: 33
          Andrei Yuryevich, well, you can’t believe what they write on the fences and put it on the net. Well, you are a smart person! Well, conscripts can send the same to vote. Is this a crime? They are sent to the bathhouse system. What's wrong with the election? For voting voters fill out ballots? Or do they need to be checked for completion?
      2. +1
        12 March 2018 14: 31
        smile The Communists may have their own. But I’m neither a communist nor a liberal.
    2. +5
      12 March 2018 10: 45
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      So if the people of Putin chose it would be clear! Alas, this is not so. Therefore, the oligarchy will choose it again.

      Take an interest in the sources of financing for the presidential candidates and it will become clear whose clowns they are and why GDP is needed so far, and not the media chicken from House-2 and certainly not the owner of 5 kg gold bars in a Swiss bank.
      1. +20
        12 March 2018 11: 25
        Quote: Balu
        not the owner of 5 kg gold bars in a Swiss bank.

        why didn’t he be removed from the election? Already accumulated so much, it is time in the taiga, and he - as president?
        1. +2
          12 March 2018 11: 37
          why didn’t he be removed from the election?


          it’s easier to laugh with adherents, counting the votes for him. I would also build a second FSO ring around him. He must show himself in the elections, I think
          1. +13
            12 March 2018 13: 19
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            it is easier to neigh with adherents, counting the votes for him

            But what about the "rule of law in the country?"
            1. +2
              12 March 2018 13: 42
              But what about the "rule of law in the country?"


              your candidate knows everything about the law wassat

              1. +4
                12 March 2018 15: 19
                Quote: s-t Petrov
                your candidate knows everything about the law

                you are wrong again! Just now I’m thinking about options.
                1. don't go at all
                2. go but mess up the newsletter
                3. vote for anyone, but against ...
                So not everything is so simple.
                Grudinin used GDP for a decent appearance. PR, passions!
                1. +3
                  12 March 2018 15: 31
                  3. vote for anyone, but against ...


                  vote for sobchak, she is also against. This is wow cool. Fashionable and youth. The main thing is that for anyone and against.

                  Grudinin used GDP for a decent appearance. PR, passions!


                  Grudinin cannot provide an appearance at his rallies, but you are talking about that. To gather 500 people in the capital (less than two weeks before the election) ... It seems to me to gather some sort of narrow-profile hangout (ala club of pug lovers) - and then more people will gather. Tomorrow, if any promotions arrive, they will collect 100 in 000 days of announcement.

                  At first, I was very sympathetic to the sternum, well, as soon as I heard that there would be such a candidate - who has a successful farm.

                  And then I read about the farm, and listened to the candidate myself - now there is only one reaction to him wassat

                  If he didn’t open his mouth and was silent with an intelligent air, I would have an exceptionally good impression of him.

                  But, as they say, it started laughing
                  1. +5
                    12 March 2018 16: 40
                    At first, I was very sympathetic to the sternum, well, as soon as I heard that there would be such a candidate - who has a successful farm.
                    until now, I thought that you were just a person of a different opinion, the opposite. But it turns out you are here at work.
                    1. +5
                      12 March 2018 16: 49
                      But it turns out you are here at work.


                      yes Garadmere. I get paid for burning over your candidate. At the beginning, I was worried - how to die on such a bright and clean person - but then he opened his mouth and I realized that I would hit the jackpot.

                      That’s 6 days left, I don’t know how to continue working, but I will hold on laughing

                      PS how do you explain to me that the Internet is full of bots that support it, whitewash and convey to people the words and messages of their mission - and there were 4-5 hundred people in the capital at the rally?

                      I won’t even ask you for the regions. You tell me how it happened with the 14 millionth Moscow

                      That's how I would drown for Grudinin and he was my last hope for a bright life - I would attend the events of my candidate, knowing what resource was set against.

                      For Putin, I was once at a rally, yeah-a-avno. And you went to hold a rally for your candidate?

                      PPPS If the sternum gains 10% of the vote - I will consider this a wild wrap.



                      1. +4
                        12 March 2018 18: 20
                        I get paid for burning your candidate
                        Secondly, I am “right away” Firstly, you perfectly understood what I mean, you were distributed manuals to everyone where you need to say, “first I was for Grudinin, but then I found out about him ...”
                      2. +1
                        13 March 2018 14: 25
                        you are seen to have been poorly educated, Herr, Senior, you are not in a pub, talking to strangers, but a market like Zhirinovsky’s.
                      3. +1
                        13 March 2018 16: 41
                        I was never for him, I said that he seemed to me a worthy candidate, but it turned out as always laughing

                        PS I am for the KGB =] Of all the candidates from there, only one
                  2. +5
                    12 March 2018 18: 46
                    Quote: s-t Petrov
                    vote for dog

                    well, I do not
                    Quote: s-t Petrov
                    Grudinin cannot provide an appearance at his rallies, but you are talking about that. Gather 500 people in the capital

                    it doesn’t mean anything, believe me. In 2012, Putin scored 46% of the vote in Moscow. Let's see how in a week it will be
        2. +3
          12 March 2018 13: 48
          Quote: Silvestr
          why didn’t he be removed from the election? Already accumulated so much, it is time in the taiga, and he - as president?

          Because in the case of sending such a “candidate” to places not so remote, you will be the first on every corner to declare an infringement of the rights of citizens and the new 37th year. And say I'm wrong.
          And for me, such as Grudinin, Sobchak should not be touched with his hands ... only with a wand, if not tolerated.
          1. +2
            12 March 2018 15: 16
            Quote: OBEREG
            Because in the case of sending such a “candidate” to places not so remote, you will be the first on every corner to declare an infringement of the rights of citizens and the new 37th year. And say I'm wrong.

            not right. Enforcement of the law is put in favor of someone else's interests. That's why we live: someone called, someone asked.
          2. 0
            13 March 2018 14: 27
            And for me, such as Grudinin, Sobchak should not be touched with hands,
            Of course, it’s more convenient for you to communicate with Chubais.
      2. +10
        12 March 2018 12: 12
        Quote: Balu
        certainly not the owner of 5 kg gold bars in a Swiss bank.

        During the search, 2 well-known citizen Ulyukaev found 3 gold coins of 4 kg each and 1 gold coins of XNUMX kg each. Like these ones
        More than 5 kg will be. And I wanted to buy another 5 pounds. And I was a respected person. Why is Grudinin worse than Ulyukaev?
        1. +2
          12 March 2018 12: 21
          so that Ulyukaev is sitting in strict mode and he has been sitting for more than one year, and Grudinin is not yet wassat

          The minister was imprisoned and it will come to that. wassat
          1. +9
            12 March 2018 13: 22
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            so that Ulyukaev is sitting in strict mode and he has been sitting for more than one year, and Grudinin is not yet

            What kind of template gap is a corrupt official, convicted by “the most humane court in the world”, better than a free citizen ?! request
        2. +3
          12 March 2018 12: 52
          Quote: 16112014nk
          And I wanted to buy another 5 pounds. And I was a respected person. Why is Grudinin worse than Ulyukaev?

          Ulyukaev is cooler than Grudinin, all as one, we vote for Grudinin and Sobchak! Hooray comrades! We will destroy the whole world, then we will build it.
        3. +1
          12 March 2018 15: 33
          Quote: 16112014nk
          And he was a respected man. Why is Grudinin worse than Ulyukaev?

          Ulyukaev was in the public service, he worked as a minister. Unfortunately, ordinary civil servants have cheap wages, such a decree on money maintenance has been written.
      3. +3
        12 March 2018 14: 32
        smile It’s bad that in the arena there are only one whose clowns, not excluding Putin. Alas, there is no worthy figure.
  4. +6
    12 March 2018 09: 54
    If public confidence in Putin is still high, then he has earned his right to be president. And be it again and again.

    GDP is good for everyone ... I remember very well from which hole he pulled out our country ... when the evil genius of swindlers of all times and peoples Boris Abramovich Berezovsky ruled in KREMLIN when it seemed that a state called Russia was coming to an end ... when it seemed that we were in one step from the fate of Yugoslavia.
    But Thank God, as always, at the most difficult moment in our country, a man was found who was able to take responsibility and moved our state from the edge of the abyss.
    My only complaint to him is his insufficient attention to our economy to those people who mess around too much with pensions ... with taxes ... unrighteous laws ... here I cannot understand his actions.
    But still I hope that the GDP, if elected president, will find the right balance and fulcrum in our economy ... wait and see.
    1. +6
      12 March 2018 11: 05
      We have no other way out yet.
      Well, if you like:
    2. +7
      12 March 2018 12: 05
      The main mistake of Berezovsky and his sworn friend Gusinsky, he almost forgot Khodor, was that they encroached on power. And if they quietly and peacefully surrendered their "media" to the state (Gazprom), they would still have lived their mother in Russia and did not have to emigrate to London. They would pay tithing, as Mr. Friedman, Aven, Potanin pays. Only one Berezevsky "finished badly", the rest do not live in poverty.
    3. +1
      12 March 2018 15: 35
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      My only complaint to him is his insufficient attention to our economy to those people who mess around too much with pensions ... with taxes ... unrighteous laws ... here I cannot understand his actions.

      This is his team. Although, maybe I'm wrong, and these ghouls crawled out from nowhere.
  5. +4
    12 March 2018 09: 58
    Oh, if for verbiage they were breaking their knees with a baseball bat ..
    Majumdaras, Varadarajans ... like some kind of bollywood ...
  6. +5
    12 March 2018 09: 58
    The meaning of Western propaganda of pseudo historians is, if you take Putin off to all fours, push the rolls, the West will give us both technology and investments and we will live happily ever after, these historians forget to tell the truth that the West imposed sanctions to strangle our economy and write similar articles about how poorly it lives and it’ll be good on all fours. Well, resources run out and even the IEA at the beck and call of the United States makes a forecast of 200 oil in 20 years, Russia has the largest potentially undiscovered reserves, the population is growing at a frantic pace on the planet, there will not be enough resources for everyone, let's see who will be in the ass in total.
    1. +12
      12 March 2018 12: 09
      The whole question is that these resources are "past the box office". It’s not cold for ordinary people from these resources. Well, there will be oil $ 200, but to us what is from this. will Mr. Sechin begin to share with me? Not sure. Can the excise tax be reduced? Why?
  7. +3
    12 March 2018 10: 02
    Putin will certainly win, but the one who finishes the run in second place is interesting.
    And my layout:
    Putin is the president;
    Kiriyenko - Prime Minister;
    Grudinin - Deputy Prime Minister or Minister of Agriculture)))
    1. +5
      12 March 2018 11: 07
      By the way, I would be glad if not 1-5%, but 20 percent would vote for Grudinin.
      The second round would be nice too.
      1. +2
        12 March 2018 11: 26
        Quote: Mestny
        Grudinin was voted not by 1-5%, but by 20 percent.

        15-25%.
        I think it will be within these limits.
        The second round will not reach, there is too much difference in weight.
        If Putin leaves, then the second round is quite possible.
        1. +2
          12 March 2018 11: 33
          15-25%.
          I think it will be within these limits.


          Did you decide by looking at large-scale rallies for sternum across the country? laughing

          70 voters at a rally for a sternum in an average city is certainly a force.

          25% is one in four for Grudinin. It's not serious and too thick
        2. +1
          12 March 2018 11: 33
          If he leaves - the second round between whom and whom? Between Grudinin and Sobchak? Then I will vote for Grudinin without a doubt.
          In the meantime, he has not left - I will vote for Putin.
      2. +6
        12 March 2018 12: 12
        I agree 100%. If Grudinin gains 25-30%, some will start to scratch their turnips and then there is hope that life will become more fun.
    2. +4
      12 March 2018 14: 43
      Kiriyenko - Prime Minister

      Where is this ?!
      With his default experience?
      Again ... the prime "gasket" or "lightning rod"? One more time just won’t survive ...
      1. +1
        12 March 2018 15: 43
        Quote: Pax tecum
        Where is this ?!

        And he also ruined Rosatom?
        Quote: Pax tecum
        With his default experience?

        Expensive. My opinion is that it was a big setup. And Kiriyenko could not do anything.
        Quote: Pax tecum
        Again ... the prime "gasket" or "lightning rod"? One more time just won’t survive ...

        He is a technocrat, namely a technocrat who is not interested in some kind of covert games, he will just be needed.
  8. +2
    12 March 2018 10: 15
    [quote = Kotovsky] You need to know what the enemy is thinking. [/ quot
    For this, in addition to reviews by Dude, there are a bunch of bloggers, whose opinion is not at all different from what the enemies think and say behind the hill.
    1. +9
      12 March 2018 10: 21
      Quote: turbris
      what the enemies think and say over the hill.

      and is a liberal government an enemy? If yes, then why is it not over the hill?
      1. +8
        12 March 2018 11: 24
        and is a liberal government an enemy? If yes, then why is it not over the hill?

        It, on a rotational basis, earns! hi
      2. +2
        12 March 2018 16: 29
        What government would you like? Communists, LDPR, Apple? For me, it’s all the same, it’s just that the government should work professionals who are not confused by the representation of any party and are ready to personally answer for the work entrusted to them.
    2. +7
      12 March 2018 10: 31
      I understand that Oleg only gives us what they think of us.
      Read the last paragraph better .. hi
  9. +4
    12 March 2018 10: 22
    Quote: Silvestr
    They would show the monthly line to the doctors in the clinic, the usual, but not selected, hospital. Then there would be an objective opinion. And so are thimbles.

    Here at least their own, but Chuvakin collects foreign thimbles to create an atmosphere in the elections in Russia. As for the clinics, I don’t know where you live, but there’s no problem making an appointment with the doctor on the Internet or in the electronic queue in most cities of Russia, the benefits of civilization have still not reached you or your information is outdated, and you continue to post the same thing .
    1. +15
      12 March 2018 10: 30
      Quote: turbris
      electronic queue in most cities of Russia

      Pushkino or Reutov. Welcome. Score any clinic in Russia and read reviews
      Quote: turbris
      the benefits of civilization have not reached

      our current medicine is not a level of civilization
      Quote: turbris
      and you continue to post the same thing.

      I just work in medicine and see everything with my own eyes
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      2. 0
        12 March 2018 20: 24
        Quote: turbris
        electronic queue in most cities of Russia
        Pushkino or Reutov. Welcome. Score any clinic in Russia and read reviews
        Quote: turbris
        the benefits of civilization have not reached
        our current medicine is not a level of civilization
        Quote: turbris
        and you continue to post the same thing.
        I just work in medicine and see everything with my own eyes [b] [/ b] [i] [/ i]
        You can add Ramenskoye.
    2. +10
      12 March 2018 13: 17
      Quote: turbris
      but there is no problem making an appointment with a doctor on the Internet or in electronic queue in most cities of Russia

      Imagine a problem - I could not write down my father, because half of the doctors are not on the lists, and which are all busy, I had to stomp the old way in the old manner. City Saint Petersburg
    3. +9
      12 March 2018 15: 43
      Quote: turbris
      it still means the benefits of civilization have not reached you or your information is outdated, and you continue to post the same thing

      It can be seen that the "benefits of civilization" have reached those kids who collect money through federal channels for treatment, while exporting huge amounts of natural resources over a hill. How much money is needed for their treatment on a Russian scale? I think for Russia it’s a penny, only the kids just didn’t have enough, there are more needy ones. For example, I am ashamed of Russia from such programs.
  10. +10
    12 March 2018 10: 47
    it’s good that he won’t leave. Otherwise, Chubais Gref Kudrin Shuvalov, Nabiullina Dvorkovich would have to look for work, otherwise they would have sent him to work
  11. +3
    12 March 2018 10: 48
    It's just funny ... Look wherever you are, Putin is compared with Stalin ... Of course, not in Putin’s favor ... Probably because the results of Stalin’s rule were the most ambitious and impressive compared to the rest of the Russian rulers since the 1900 of the year. .. They do not compare with others, they compare with Stalin ... Maybe because the results of Putin’s rule only lose when compared with the results of Stalin? In other cases, "win"? How many were there, rulers? Nikolai, Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev ... And Putin only loses to Stalin ...
    So it turns out?
    1. +1
      12 March 2018 11: 11
      Those for whom "little Stalin" does not want to know at all - and what efforts were needed for such successes. In what conditions did people live? How was it built?
      And most importantly - do they agree to live in such conditions, and at the same time work in such volumes?
      Residents of modern Russian cities with amenities - and suddenly in the huts and with a shovel for 12 hours a day of hard work?
      Don’t tell!
      1. +2
        12 March 2018 11: 18
        However, they compare)
        Quote: Mestny
        Don’t tell!

        Most funny)
      2. +4
        12 March 2018 17: 31
        And I'm not going to make you laugh. But I’ll say cooler. From the palace on Rublevka to the barracks with a shovel for 14 hours a day of shock work for many individuals of the Russian oligarchy is the thing.
    2. +1
      12 March 2018 15: 46
      Quote: Less
      Nikolai, Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev.

      Ivan the Terrible, Peter 1, Vladimir Rurikovich, Dmitry Donskoy ..... you can still search, in the bowels of Russian history there are many prominent figures.
    3. +6
      12 March 2018 17: 28
      If according to the results of the duration of the reign and successes, then Putin (Russian oligarchy) so far wins only against Nikolai No. 2, Mechny and EBN, that is, the most mediocrity. To the indicators of Stalin and Brezhnev, and even Khrushchev, he crawled to him like before Mars.
      1. +1
        12 March 2018 20: 44
        zoolu350 Today, 17:28 ↑ New
        If according to the results of the duration of the reign and successes, then Putin (Russian oligarchy) so far wins only against Nikolai No. 2, Mechny and EBN, that is, the most mediocrity. To the indicators of Stalin and Brezhnev, and even Khrushchev, he crawled to him like before Mars.

        About Brezhnev is not at all funny. The country scored so many loans that it had only recently settled.
        1. +5
          12 March 2018 21: 21
          Quote: kush62

          About Brezhnev is not at all funny. The country scored so many loans that it had only recently settled.

          Most Soviet loans are those of the Tagged.
  12. +8
    12 March 2018 10: 51
    Very subtly noticed .... Russia was in the maze of "stability".
    1. +1
      12 March 2018 11: 22
      Of course, for some it would be much better if it found itself in the labyrinth of revolutions, like Ukraine.
  13. +13
    12 March 2018 10: 51
    Putin effectively defends the interests of the Russian bourgeoisie, therefore his graters are with the West, therefore, our Crimea, but Donbas would be too much, after that he would not agree with the West. And the people are needed to continue the struggle to recognize our bourgeois as theirs. After we do not need, gay parades, refugees, juveniles begin ...
  14. +2
    12 March 2018 11: 01
    Quote: andrej-shironov
    So if the people of Putin chose it would be clear! Alas, this is not so. Therefore, the oligarchy will choose it again.

    The problem for people like you is that for you people are not people at all, but a strictly defined part of them that professes your nonsense about socialism and a just society.
    The rest is not for you people. And if yours come to power, they will chop this wrong people off their shoulder, like the wrong one.
    The key here is to chop off the shoulder. Again, break everything with millionth victims.
    Do you understand. that now no one will give Russia time for another revolution? That no one will stand still, and patiently wait until we build justice here, restore industry and living standards again, comparing it according to a hundred-year tradition with 2013?
    Around Russia, capitalism, which will lay its bones, but will not allow building any USSR in Russia here 2.0
    We must survive the 1991 game rules we adopted. And for this, no matter how unpleasant it may be, no one can cope with Putin yet.
    1. +2
      12 March 2018 11: 27
      Do you understand.


      he generally understands little, judging by his opuses. useless thing to write posts to him. This is Andreika - a person who does not pay taxes, crying on the forum that his daughter should go to the store - not money for food and crying about terrifying infrastructure, medicine and other things that normal people pay taxes for.

      He sits on the forum and worries that his daughter has no food wassat . Proud of not paying taxes and writing tearful opuses on any topic.

      He did not serve in the army - therefore he writes only where it is about politics. The rest of the VO topics are not for him.

      He says the police do not need him, he himself. And he apparently doesn’t need an army - he, too, will be able to protect his hungry daughter

      All this in his history is here on the site. All posts are recorded. Personality can be analyzed.

      In general, such characters I have on a special account here.
    2. +14
      12 March 2018 12: 04
      Three times HA!
      Putin is a protege of the oligarchs who simply pump resources and money over the hill.
      The rest of the people don't care. We have already been occupied, like all of Europe ...
      1. +2
        12 March 2018 12: 16
        Putin is a protege of the oligarchs who simply pump resources and money over the hill.


        Pamagi Khodorkovsky in his struggle with the protege of the oligarchs, so that he would be allowed to continue to export everything for the cordon, but without paying taxes, according to the old and good scheme of Yukos and to the delight of the west.

        Funny wrestlers, it feels like they think that all of Russia forgot about the seven-bankers and about who took the country out of that shit, forcing them to pay taxes to the allegarchs

        The protege of the Allegarchs. Yeah.

        PS Then return the handle (s)

        1. +6
          12 March 2018 15: 53
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          Funny wrestlers, it feels like they think that all of Russia forgot about the seven-bankers and about who took the country out of that shit, forcing them to pay taxes to the allegarchs

          This is another matter. After Libya and Iraq, the boys added that they were next. There is simply no other way. Either share and arm the army, or lose everything. They don’t share with the rest of the people, they don’t need it especially, just so that the soldier for the army would give birth.
          For some reason, it seems to me like that.
    3. +13
      12 March 2018 13: 26
      Quote: Mestny
      The problem for people like you is that for you people are not people at all, but a strictly defined part of them that professes your nonsense about socialism and a just society.
      The rest is not for you people. And if yours come to power, they will chop this wrong people off their shoulder, like the wrong one.

      Stunned - in your opinion, the vast majority of us are for social stratification, a huge gap in income, between a small layer and the rest of the population. wassat
      Quote: Mestny
      According to the Global Wealth Report, the richest 1% of Russians account for 71% of all personal assets in Russia. For comparison: in India and Indonesia following this indicator (among large countries), 1% owns 49% and 46% of all personal wealth. In the world as a whole, this indicator is 46%, in Africa - 44%, in the USA - 37%, in China and Europe - 32%, in Japan - 17%. Russia leads the world in the share of the wealthiest 5% of the population (this is 82,5% of the total personal wealth of the country), and the wealthiest 10% of the population (87,6%), and the Gini coefficient of wealth distribution (0,84).
      Apparently for you the people are these 1%, and the rest are disenfranchised, which is for "socialism and a just society"
    4. 0
      12 March 2018 17: 36
      We’ll stubborn the Fed’s owners to the throat of a missile with an SBN that will allow them to build everything, even socialism, even cybertron communism. And people like you will build a new Soviet Socialist Eurasian Empire at an accelerated pace, in uranium mines.
  15. +12
    12 March 2018 11: 15
    Immediately he would declare himself king, it would be more honest. For which people from tanks were shot in 1993.
    1. 0
      12 March 2018 11: 24
      In Russia, not a monarchy. To declare himself king is to violate the Constitution.
      He is not a Communist, what would the Constitution be abolished, but he should be appointed the Secretary General?
      1. +12
        12 March 2018 12: 00
        KGB colonel and not a communist? do you believe yourself? laughing
        1. -1
          12 March 2018 13: 01
          Of course I believe.
          At the moment, Putin is not a member of the Communist Party, nor in any other relevant sense.
          1. +4
            12 March 2018 13: 12
            Did he tell you that? laughing
            blessed is he who believes
      2. 0
        13 March 2018 14: 35
        He’s not a communist, what would cancel the Constitution ,,,
        where do you live, and extending the term of government is not a constitutional change? You’ve washed Kiselev’s brains well.
  16. +14
    12 March 2018 11: 36
    If Putin were the guarantor of the Constitution, he would not run for president for the fourth time. His environment, "There is no money, but YOU hold on," is not replaced by anyone!
    1. +1
      12 March 2018 11: 43
      If Putin were the guarantor of the Constitution, he would not run for president for the fourth time. His environment, "There is no money, but YOU hold on," is not replaced by anyone!


      1 sentence - nonsense. One has only to read the text in the constitution.

      Clause 3 of Article 81 prohibits the same person from holding the office of President of the Russian Federation more than 2 terms contract.


      2 sentence - nonsense made of two phrases taken out of context.

      Probably hard to live like that? Low salary? Did you get twos at school? Of course, Putin is to blame for the fact that you are who you are and that after reading 2 lines of text, you made the wrong conclusions

      In general, our opposition has a standard situation.
  17. 0
    12 March 2018 11: 50
    They will pick up different semi-literate natives from different jungles, and now they begin to flunk over coffee grounds! Hollow Nuts! For a bowl of rotten lentil stew and mom will be sold. Ventriloquists of a provincial farce!
  18. +2
    12 March 2018 12: 13
    Quote: Mestny
    Quote: andrej-shironov
    So if the people of Putin chose it would be clear! Alas, this is not so. Therefore, the oligarchy will choose it again.

    The problem for people like you is that for you people are not people at all, but a strictly defined part of them that professes your nonsense about socialism and a just society.
    The rest is not for you people. And if yours come to power, they will chop this wrong people off their shoulder, like the wrong one.
    The key here is to chop off the shoulder. Again, break everything with millionth victims.
    Do you understand. that now no one will give Russia time for another revolution? That no one will stand still, and patiently wait until we build justice here, restore industry and living standards again, comparing it according to a hundred-year tradition with 2013?
    Around Russia, capitalism, which will lay its bones, but will not allow building any USSR in Russia here 2.0
    We must survive the 1991 game rules we adopted. And for this, no matter how unpleasant it may be, no one can cope with Putin yet.

    Yes, Americans already brought us "democracy" on the Entente’s bayonets.
    And the Americans will not allow anyone else to rule with us ... Remember the humpback? Reagan and Thatcher approved him. Therefore, the old-timers moved him. Get the Internet ...
    1. 0
      12 March 2018 12: 19
      Get the Internet ...


      analysts pulled into the election wassat
    2. -1
      12 March 2018 13: 03
      What for?
      I sometimes have the opportunity to "coat" the archives. To fall as it were to the original source.
  19. +4
    12 March 2018 12: 22
    The sacredness of the West for Russia after 1991 was based on three fundamental liberal values: democracy, the sanctity of private property rights and the independence of the judiciary. And what do we have now? Democracy in the states refers to the struggle between clans that reflect the interests of irremovable "mafia" authorities. And in the rest of the world, democracy means: the ability to bring to power paid hires, which are controlled by puppeteers from the states.
    The "sacred" right of private property was completely discredited when, under various pretexts, they forced the thieves to share the loot. And in Cyprus, bank depositors were forced to save the bank by their own funds: to share, in order to have something in the future.
    Well, an independent court remained at last after the verdict of the Stockholm arbitration: everyone recognized it as a political decision. Adios, amigos.
    1. 0
      12 March 2018 13: 05
      Now this is no longer important.
      Reality as such has developed, and we must live in it. To come up with how we can do better for ourselves without disasters, revolutions and wars at the walls of Moscow.
      And do not engage in nonsense about the re-construction of the USSR
      1. 0
        12 March 2018 14: 07
        Quote: Mestny
        Reality as such has developed, and we must live in it.

        absolutely true conclusion !!!
      2. 0
        12 March 2018 16: 04
        Quote: Mestny
        And do not engage in nonsense about the re-construction of the USSR

        Why, the idea itself is not so bad! Again, the West perceives us as the successor of the USSR, why not pick up the scattered vassals, especially who themselves are not opposed. With the Crimea, a ride!
  20. +7
    12 March 2018 13: 02
    Quote: Alena Frolovna
    Andrey Yuryevich
    but I won’t vote for him, pension does not allow ...


    With others, this pension will be even less or not at all ...
    Have you thought about this?

    And also the dashing 90s will begin and no one will give you a half for your life, too stupid and arrogant is eager for power to destroy Russia forever. And where will your children and grandchildren live? And will they live at all?

    With this statement you remind me of a bastard spitting on the trail of the Victors who deprived these renegades of the opportunity to drink Bavarian.

    I’m ashamed, my friend. We have one country and I don’t want rabble to be hosted in it.

    And where, who was the Guarantor in these years, and what did he do? winked wassat
  21. +4
    12 March 2018 13: 08
    Quote: rotmistr60
    K.A.S.
    And why do not you like liberals?
    So they showed themselves in all their glory in the 90s and today the financial and economic bloc of the government is working in the face of the west. And if you listen to on TV and read in the media about their "sincere love" for the country and people, then at times you regret that there is not enough iron hand.

    I do not recognize you, Rotmister lol “You are like the most consistent adherent of the Guarantor, and you allow yourself that ...” wassat
  22. +10
    12 March 2018 13: 17
    How do adherents of the current government freeze angry Pay little - Work more! request Don't like living in Russia - go from here sad much more work for 12 hours on feet sad maybe throw a family and hired laborers for oligarchs .. WE DO NOT WORK A COUNTRY !!! ... You, adherents, of the current system, understand there are liberals, there are patriots who see what happens is not what they show you on TV, but in real life ! So they, these people want the best, it’s just an assessment of the current system, which does not coincide with your pink vision ... DO NOT NEED TO WRITE .. HERE THERE, WORK MORE! God bless brain cancer fool
    1. 0
      12 March 2018 13: 39
      How do adherents of the current government freeze


      laughing Registered March 5, 2018 10:10 - you just registered for the elections, actor, but you’re already nerves

      maybe throw a family and hired by the oligarchs


      how many oligarchs have you personally seen in your life, actor? laughing And which of the oligarchs are you working for now?

      You, adherents, of the current system, understand there are liberals, there are patriots who see what is happening not only that they show you on TV, but in real life!


      wassat which stream

      So they, these people want the best


      laughing as Mykola wanted, but got into a fairy tale

      DON'T NEED TO WRITE .. HERE THERE, WORK MORE!


      come here, work less

      God bless brain cancer


      not that word laughing
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    2. +1
      12 March 2018 16: 17
      Quote: GIGAN
      much more work for 12 hours on feet

      Quote: GIGAN
      maybe throw a family

      this is very welcome in state offices. Only because of this the people are dying ahead of time, the human body is not adapted to constant transcendental loads, to the great regret of the authorities. And yet, no one will pay for the extra work anyway. Still here with subordinates to share their dough! Immediately if the money in the office - count yours. The less subordinates get, the more they will remain their beloved for prizes. For this, an irregular working day was invented.
  23. +9
    12 March 2018 13: 50
    Quote: nadezhiva
    Again ... The cat left the kittens .... It's Putin's fault. Not tired? Silvestr, really, is GDP responsible for everything? For every official?

    and who bred these officials? ... his policy, then he is to blame !!!!
    1. +5
      12 March 2018 13: 55
      No need to argue with them .. Read above ... There is no use fool not a single argument will be given to you ... sad
    2. +1
      12 March 2018 14: 09
      his policy, then he is to blame !!!!


      laughing prapor75
  24. +4
    12 March 2018 14: 25
    Quote: s-t Petrov
    his policy, then he is to blame !!!!
    prapor75

    the sergeant fell and accepted the lying emphasis, you speak with the ensign son laughing
  25. +1
    12 March 2018 15: 09
    "The trouble with Putin is that he considered himself indispensable."

    Is it yourself? I have a feeling that a certain group is behind it, most likely the same group that stood behind Yeltsin. Recall how Yeltsin brought GDP into politics. First he was appointed prime minister, then “I am just looking after” and here is my successor. There was no political struggle, the usual surrender of authority. In principle, this is not bad, but for Russia there may even be a better option. Only it is necessary to continue the initiative of Yeltsin, otherwise God forbid what happens to the Head of State. What then? Again, turmoil, revolution again? It's time to look for a successor, GDP is not forever, unfortunately.
    Py Sy
    Just do not take my words for agitation. I just see this situation.
  26. +2
    12 March 2018 17: 06
    We need a capable government, which is believed, followed. And the President corrects, directs the movement forward. But this, after the election, is, alas, a bad hope.
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  28. +1
    12 March 2018 19: 59
    Quote: zoolu350
    Quote: K.A.S.
    slowly becoming a developed state, not only with an advanced army, but also with a decent standard of living of the population !!!

    What a pearl! Probably we live in different RF. You seem to be in the Moscow Ring Road or Barvikha, and I am in the Far, Far East.

    Yes already. I flew to the Far East in the fall for fishing in “places of military glory”, bent below the baseboard: there are no duties on cars, no industry, no work, no gas by China, Armenians replaced the Chinese, people are saving up money to dump them. Oh yes, Far Eastern hectare - all the ropes occupied wassat
  29. 0
    12 March 2018 20: 00
    Quote: Mestny
    Now this is no longer important.
    Reality as such has developed, and we must live in it. To come up with how we can do better for ourselves without disasters, revolutions and wars at the walls of Moscow.
    And do not engage in nonsense about the re-construction of the USSR

    The solution has long been found - to blame in non-rubber.
  30. +1
    12 March 2018 23: 11
    Quote: OBEREG
    Quote: Silvestr
    They would show the monthly line to the doctors in the clinic, the usual, but not selected, hospital. Then there would be an objective opinion. And so are thimbles.

    At all times, there are people dissatisfied with power. No matter how good a ruler is, there will still be discontented, mourners and cursing authorities. In Russia, it was always ... however, as elsewhere.
    And now on the merits. Gentlemen are dissatisfied, Putin took the country in what condition? The argument of the mourners, - Mol Stalin, for 20 years, raised the country and led it to world leaders. And you recall the price and what measures he introduced in order to obtain such a result? You, who were glad above all in your pocket, wanted to go to collective farms again, get workdays, and get food on cards?
    20 years to revive a country like Russia is not enough. And when the gentlemen sitting here cry about small salaries, I want to tell them, the salary is not satisfied, work more and you will have more salary. The benefit of opportunities to earn a lot now.
    About -
    Quote: Silvestr
    They would show monthly queues to doctors in the clinic,

    Was it different under Yeltsin? You need to file everything now and right away ... I’m not defending Putin, but just humanly fucking up with those mourners who swear by the authorities, work on low-paying jobs, and they don’t even think about earning anywhere else, but at the same time, Putin is to blame for them all. You look pitiful and comical, gentlemen. And for some reason I’m sure that you will go with the whole crowd to vote for Grudinin. Which, of course, will solve the issue of queues in clinics, with kindergartens, schools, etc. ... but I remind you that a salesman in power cannot bring anything good to a country by definition, since his homeland is where the profit is. It is enough to look at the same Parashenko, who is rowing money with a shovel, and he does not care about Ukraine from the big bell tower.
    As for - "why do we need an army, it’s better to give this money to education and medicine."
    Libya was the most successful country in that region, with good medicine, education, earnings ... but Gaddafi cared little for the army and how did it end?

    Registered on March 11, 2018, scribbled 57 comments in 2 days - no comments, hello kremlebotu!
  31. +1
    12 March 2018 23: 13
    "... Putin’s trouble is that he considered himself indispensable ...." No, Kotkin’s trouble is that he forgot what Russia is, and mattresses, that they take as the basis for the analysis the statements of “dummy experts”
  32. 0
    13 March 2018 05: 03
    Cartoons for the USA from Russia with Love!
  33. 0
    13 March 2018 12: 07
    I can’t understand why you are tearing your throats here, Putin is to blame, liberals, oligarchs, you look at your neighbor — China, they’ve got a lot of hell out of Western values ​​of liberalism and freedom of speech, and they are flourishing very well.
  34. +1
    13 March 2018 21: 32
    SRTS P-15,
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    Only in my district hospital they underwent abdominal surgery and got this ill-fated shunt thirty centimeters long, though it was not plastic, but rubber.

    I sympathize with you, but rubber drains in hospitals have not been used since Soviet times.
    It is unlikely that you did this on purpose because of the reason you indicated (in your opinion)

    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    I don’t understand how you can work two days a week and have a decent salary? Maybe you didn’t accidentally forget to write about bribes?

    I understand your skepticism. I will try to bring the balance.
    There is a monthly rate of hours, each month has its own rate. There is a norm of working hours.
    If the monthly rate is divided by 6.5 hours, it turns out that the number of working days per month is obtained.
    For the money.
    By transferring medicine to self-sufficiency by the state, we are guaranteed a certain amount (36 thousand). In terms of the number of patients treated and their quality, we are paid bonus. It turns out 2 more times for so much.
    The question is, why do I need any handouts if I can officially get much more without risking my workplace reputation? There is nothing secret that has not become apparent. Honestly need to live and work.
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    1. +4
      14 March 2018 18: 22
      Quote: DARK
      18 years of stable life ... about the greatness of the country, the cohesion of society, etc. sweatshirts - on the background general impoverishment already hesitated to death

      Well, cry how you live poorly ... only no need to speak for everyoneoh?
      I’m writing from work, in 10 minutes I’ll get up and go home. One and a half + hours. I'm good for fifty dollars wink
      However - it’s completely so bad, you can live.
      Moral: if you have problems - solve them, no one will solve them for you.
      I decide mine request
      1. +1
        14 March 2018 19: 03
        Golovan Jack, why so impudent. You don’t know with whom you bark. What problems are you telling me? I solved my problems, as well as almost all the problems of the five thousandth collective. You either read the text, or it’s your style of work - to speak out of substance. You are our moralist.
        1. +4
          14 March 2018 20: 28
          Quote: DARK
          What problems are you telling me

          Here about these. AND I’m not saying it, but you:
          Quote: DARK
          18 years of stable life ... about the greatness of the country, the cohesion of society, etc. bullshit - against the backdrop of universal impoverishment, hesitated to death. Only poor Putin friends and their elite children live well in a poor country. For them, prestigious places, profitable projects ...

          Really - horror, horror belay
          Quote: DARK
          I decided my own, like almost all the problems of the five thousandth team

          In your words, it somehow ... is not felt request
          Quote: DARK
          You are our moralist

          That's certainly not yours.
          PS:
          Quote: DARK
          You don’t know with whom you bark

          Choose your words carefully Yes
          1. +3
            14 March 2018 20: 51
            Judging by your revelations, you have already divided everyone into first-class and second-class people. You belong to the first, naturally, but you provide me with a place of a subhuman, once you declare your opinion as the only true one, you refuse me to have one. A very constructive dialogue. In occasion of barking, you are wrongly offended. Firstly, your avatar corresponds to you, and secondly, asking me to cry is barking, not a conversation. Regarding the choice of words, I assure you, after many years of work at ChTZ, including the head of the workshop, the words are extremely loyal.
    2. 0
      17 March 2018 01: 06
      you poorly imagine the process of falsification itself :): the quantity there does not solve anything
  36. 0
    16 March 2018 10: 14
    Glory to Great Russia and death to its enemies!
    1. 0
      17 March 2018 01: 12
      Well, well ...- and where to shoot it? - so as not to hit children and wives and assets? Yes, and shoot it - will they shoot? The "young" came - served in the h-talked about toothless ensigns - drivers and on the question is - bang? - current shook his head, nothing ...