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Alexander Matrosov. Part of 1. Gods are not overthrown from pedestals

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75 years from that day, as 19-year-old lad Alexander Matrosov took the fight from which he stepped into immortality, went quietly and unnoticed. The country today has more important tasks than remembering those who fought for it.

Especially, when the works of the “pravdorubs” practically did not leave us untainted and uncivilized heroes. Perhaps, only Kozhedub and Pokryshkin are still holding, but, I think, years through 10, at such a pace, and for them, something will be invented.

Meanwhile, the gods should not be overthrown. It was already in Russian stories. And it didn’t lead to anything good. Although it can be said here that when the “pagan” gods were overthrown and Christianity was planted, they gave another instead of one. When communists spread religion, they gave something instead. Its communist worldview, for example.

Or heroic.

Although the heroes we got it in full. I will not enumerate the so-called “real” and “alternative” versions, they all come from one place: the pro-Western Yeltsin liberal swamp. Everything. To single.

Our communist past is not good. It is totalitarian and undemocratic. We must forget, dear, it is necessary.

Of course, no one will tear down monuments like in Ukraine. Probably not. Let's see how it goes on.

Previously, it is true due to the fact that many facts were distorted and repainted, faith was, let's say, not enough. No, they believed, of course, but petty anecdotes about Matrosov went. In assortment.

But time put everything in its place. And time, and people. And yet it turned out that the sailor was not a criminal. Well, not a criminal offense - leaving the prescribed place of residence after all, let's be fair. Including the age. "Onizhedetyam" more says goodbye.

By the way, in the Ufa children's (I emphasize) labor colony No. 2 under the NKVD of the USSR, where the Sailors arrived on April 21 of the year 1941, he was a man, anyway. Have worked. In March, 1942 was appointed assistant teacher and was elected chairman of the colony's central conflict commission. This speaks at least of respect from both the colonists and the educators.

And the call from Matrosov was all right. Did not run. On the contrary, I asked. And, despite the colony, he was admitted to the Komsomol. In the infantry school. And already in parts appointed gruppomstrom and platoon agitator.

They believed, obviously. We saw that a man Sasha Matrosov.

His military fate was short, to the point of insanity. But here there are nuances. Let's go run together.

1943 year.

Alexander Matrosov. Part of 1. Gods are not overthrown from pedestalsIt is important. Not 41, not 42. German is not the same. Not coming blitzkrizhno. Defending. But in defense the German is strong, there is something, that is.

February 12 The sailors of the year 1943 arrives at the unit. The 2-th separate shooting battalion of the 91-th separate Siberian JV Stalin Volunteer Brigade.

15 February 1943 of the year The 91 I brigade advanced from the Zemtsy station in the direction of the town of Loknia.

25 February 1943, the team took their positions.

Everything seems to be clear.

And 27 February Sailors dies.

And here begins the most interesting. The battalion goes on the attack. Three bunker. Three machine guns. And this is not DP-27, not “Maxims”. Three MG-34 or 42 (horseradish radish is no sweeter). There were plenty of nicknames for the Rein Metal Works. And all unsympathetic. Who saw them at work (I saw, idle) - this is an impressive killing machine.

The command throws liquidators on the bunker. We look up - 1943 year. It means, not "at any cost", "having filled up with corpses", but so that it was really done.

Three bunkers - four. Sharipov, Galilov, Ogurtsov and ... Sailors.

Take a break.

Sharipov and Galimov cope with the task as "excellent."

Sharipov got close to “his” bunker from the rear, shot the calculation, captured the machine gun and opened fire on the Germans.

Galimov destroyed the calculation of the second bunker with an anti-tank gun. Then he also sat down in a bunker and began alone to repel the attacks of the Germans, who decided to repel the bunker back.

When we got to Galimov, more than three dozen Germans were pinned in front of his position.

Sharipov was awarded the medal "For Courage", Galimov - the Order of the Red Star.

What is it all about? It’s just that no beginners like Matrosov, who arrived as a replenishment, went to the bunkers. Shelled and experienced warriors. Death to the fascists in the flesh.

How did the Sailors find themselves in this company? Which is the third day on the front?

But I think so: they simply believed him. And the company commander was sure that the Sailors would not die like a hero, but complete the task.

But someone thought that a newcomer is a newcomer. That is why Ogurtsov went with Matrosov. But he was injured. And then the sailors acted independently.

In general, we will sort this fight a bit later. He is worth it.

The fact is that the Soviet man Alexander Matrosov on the second day of his participation in the war did what he did.

Yes, his more experienced comrades who survived did not become heroes. They just clearly accomplished the task.

Twelve years. Two days at war. Call to (no doubt that no one appointed Matrosov) crawling towards the “thirty-fourth”, spewing his thousand bullets per minute ... miss the grenades (two days!), Try to shoot the Germans from a machine gun ...

The Germans were experienced. But even the death of Alexander gave the comrades the necessary seconds to throw.

This is the highest reward, I think. For courage. You must agree, no one would reproach Matrosov, didn’t he then go to the bunker. Two days…

“There is no more of that love, even if anyone puts his soul for his friends” (John. 15: 13).

Here is a saint. Present.

No, these, the martyrs, of course, can also be honored and respected. Passion to endure is not easy either.

But in 19 years to meet MG-43 - here, forgive soul, it is more difficult. Yes, a cold basement with a firing squad is scary. But you can not change anything.

And in the field, with a lead wind to meet, - you can. To burrow into the snow, into the mud, into the ground. Squeeze into the most inconspicuous fold of the land, which must protect. Hear the nasty zvirkane bullets. Hearing this incomparable sound, as if from a tearing fabric, is the “machine-chever” line.

And continue to stubbornly crawl towards.

We need such saints. We need such gods. On which you can equal, which you can pray.

And we must learn to beat the hands of those who dare to think that we do not need such gods. What is their place in the backyard of history. It hurts to beat.
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  1. Bouncer
    Bouncer 13 March 2018 06: 34
    +24
    There are immortal exploits of man
    This is one of them
    Immortal
    1. Vend
      Vend 13 March 2018 10: 12
      +6
      Quote: Bouncer
      There are immortal exploits of man
      This is one of them
      Immortal

      Stomp this feat began in the 80's. And they all started with a joke.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 13 March 2018 19: 01
        0
        yes, I remember the "truth-tellers" of perestroika.

        But even the death of Alexander gave his comrades these necessary seconds for a throw.
        WHY IT SEEMS TO ME. THAT SASHKA HAS CLOSED THE MACHINE FOR HIS PAPIOSA TIGHTENING .- CANNOT ALLOW THE FRIEND OF A FRIEND WHO HAS GIVEN HIM TO SMOKE BEFORE ATTACK ("do not breathe your breath before death")
  2. Amurets
    Amurets 13 March 2018 06: 44
    +14
    And we must learn to beat the hands of those who dare to think that we do not need such gods. What is their place in the backyard of history. It hurts to beat.

    The author agrees completely, even on the VO site considered patriotic, sometimes there are comments trying to discredit our history. Especially recently.
    1. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 13 March 2018 08: 50
      +10
      Nikolay, my respect! hi You are right, here below one has already appeared, a “whistleblower” with the nickname x917nt (apparently the car number). Look at what kind of knowledge a person has found in less than a couple of hours, apparently specially managed to hit the archives of the Moscow Region ... laughing
      For 1081 people who were on the list in 91 OSBR there were 591 rifles and 22 machine guns. That's all .. For four bunkers with MG machine guns. In the open field.
      And let after that someone continue about not filling up with corpses.
      1. Cartalon
        Cartalon 13 March 2018 08: 59
        +4
        So refute it if it’s not right, though it doesn’t give a link either, where did you get the data from, history needs to be studied, not slogans shouted out
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 13 March 2018 09: 24
          +13
          Disprove what? Explicit lie? So now he will give you a thousand links to the archives of Moscow Region, the Vasya Pupkin Foundation, and even the devils of whom, which are clearly impossible to verify. The Internet does not provide direct links to data on the armament of 91 divisions, especially on a specific date.
          Trolls do so, throw in disinformation and get lost.
          Sometimes you need to include brains and really study the history. The number of PCA produced is not exactly known, but approximately 5 million are estimated, the number of German PM 38/40 is only about 1,2 million. And this despite the fact that ALL Europe worked with Germany for its industry.
          But such as this h917nt are engaged in govnovbrosy, if only to blur the topic and belittle the feat of the people, including labor. PPSh was the most massive WWII submachine gun, by the end of the war more than 50 percent of our infantry was armed with PPSH, while the Germans fought with the Mausers until the end of the war.
          1. Prometey
            Prometey 13 March 2018 11: 18
            +11
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            But such as this x917nt are engaged in govnovbrosy, if only to blur the topic and belittle the feat of the people

            Varangian, no offense, but your opponent brought the facts, and apart from emotions you can’t answer with anything. Exactly as he does not belittle any deed of the people. I already wrote and am not afraid to write again - personally, I would prefer that heroes like A. Matrosov end the war in Berlin, and not on the embrasure of an enemy bunker. But such an opinion is not patriotic, right?
          2. fighter angel
            fighter angel 13 March 2018 11: 48
            +7
            Varangian, do not waste your nerves on these "liberoids." The tendency to their reduction has long been observed, and this is wonderful.
            And therefore they are furious.
            Just click on the complaint - and write "Provocative statements, the substitution of concepts, juggling facts, insulting the historical heritage" ... well, or something else like that.
            Sooner or later, this body will be blocked.
            Take care of your nerves and health.
      2. x917nt
        x917nt 13 March 2018 08: 59
        +8
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Look at what kind of knowledge a person has found in less than a couple of hours, apparently specially managed to hit the archives of the Moscow Region.

        Thick.
        Report on the numerical and combat strength of 74 and 91 brigades. by state on 18.01.1943/XNUMX/XNUMX
        TsAMO, Fund 396, Inventory 9208, Case 192
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 14 March 2018 04: 55
      +1
      Quote: Amurets
      The author agrees completely, even on the VO site considered patriotic, sometimes there are comments trying to discredit our history. Especially recently.
      Good morning, Nikolai! Under the pretext of studying the details of the past, there are throws against our history because there is nothing to boast of the Yeltsinoids and there are no significant liberal characters in the history of post-Soviet Russia, as well as in pre-revolutionary Russia. Well, not one liberalist has done anything for his country that can be respected.
      And the documents ---- maybe in the sequel. Thanks to the author.
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 13 March 2018 07: 05
    +2
    It is necessary to remember and preserve the memory, for it is not tedious in the native city of the Dnieper in today's Ukraine ....
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 13 March 2018 07: 34
    +6
    Our pioneer squad was named after A. Matrosov .... [b]
    And we must learn to beat the hands of those who dare to think that we do not need such gods. What is their place in the margins of history. It hurts to beat
    [quote] [/ quote] [/ b ... Oh, how to ...
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    1. bubalik
      bubalik 13 March 2018 08: 59
      +16
      Data on 18.01.1943 Report on the numerical and combat strength of 74 and 91 OSBR TsAMO Archive, 396 Foundation, 9208 Inventory, 192 Case?
      And here is the data on 20.02.1943
      TsAMO Archive, 860 Foundation, 1 Inventory, 22 Case
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 13 March 2018 09: 10
        +8
        so that both machine guns and machine guns, everything was,
        1. x917nt
          x917nt 13 March 2018 09: 21
          +3
          Hospital average? Yes.
          And in a particular team (91 brigade) like this.


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          2. bubalik
            bubalik 13 March 2018 09: 50
            +9
            ,, constantly replenished ,, wink
            ,,, Over the period 17-20.01.43 significantly replenished with weapons, it was received:

            76 m / m equipment-17 Machine guns-55
            45 m / m guns-15 light machine guns-131
            120mm.min- 5 Rifles-1800 of which SVT-600
            guns PTR-60 Automatic-720

            TsAMO Archive, 860 Foundation, 1 Inventory, 22 Case
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          3. shuravi
            shuravi 13 March 2018 10: 48
            +19
            Quote: x917nt
            91 OSBR



            That’s what “delights” me is how liberals of all stripes have “evidence” for any reason.
            I will not say that in most cases, the content of the “documents” is, to put it mildly, doubtful, the thing is different.
            For some reason, the opinion that every piece of paper born in one or another military unit is archived and that everything can be found there is rooted in the Internet.
            Meanwhile, not everyone who serves even imagines how many “secret” pieces of the regiment produce in a year. And if you had begun to store everything, it would have been a long time since we had built up the entire territory with archive storage facilities.
            Therefore, the lion's share of documents is simply destroyed after they lose their relevance.
            I have visited more than once on such destruction commissions.
            Nevertheless, the liberals continue to cite “documents” with enviable persistence that couldn’t end up in the archives.
            Which leads to the conclusion, these "documents" are simply falsifications.
            1. x917nt
              x917nt 13 March 2018 11: 00
              +4
              Quote: shuravi
              these "documents" are simply falsification

              Report your discovery to TsAMO.
              1. shuravi
                shuravi 13 March 2018 11: 38
                +7
                Quote: x917nt
                Quote: shuravi
                these "documents" are simply falsification

                Report your discovery to TsAMO.



                Can you prove the opposite? The authenticity of your scans? bully
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                  1. shuravi
                    shuravi 13 March 2018 13: 13
                    +7
                    Quote: x917nt
                    https://cdn.pamyat-naroda.ru/images/%D0%9F%D0%B5%
                    D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B0_018_%D0%9A%D0
                    %9F097%D0%A0-1%D0%A14_%D0%B6%D0%B1%D0%B4/396-0009
                    208-0192 / 00000035.jpg


                    By your link:

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                      1. shuravi
                        shuravi 13 March 2018 16: 28
                        +9
                        Quote: x917nt
                        I checked before giving the link. It opens for me.
                        Try directly from the "People’s Memory" resource at this link
                        https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=11110
                        2216&backurl=division%5C74%20%D0%B8%2091%20%D
                        0%BE%D1%81%D0%B1%D1%80::use_main_string%5Ctrue::g
                        roup% 5Call :: types% 5Copersvodki: rasporyajeniya: otc
                        heti: peregovori: jbd: direktivi: prikazi: posnatovlen
                        iya: dokladi: raporti: doneseniya: svedeniya: plani: pl
                        ani_operaciy: karti: shemi: spravki: drugie


                        I looked.
                        What I’m talking about. Even the chief of staff of the battalion is not personally engaged in writing. There is a clerk for this.
                        What can we say about the chief of staff of the corps. There is a whole staff of scribblers.
                        And if he decides to slip it on to the chief for such a sloppy paper, illegible handwriting, corrections, he will soon correct his calligraphy anywhere in the trench.
                        And again, why such an insignificant document about the current state, send for storage in the archive.
                        So most likely a doll. Alas, there is little faith in the current TsAMO. After the "historians" of the Yeltsin period frolic there.
            2. Gopnik
              Gopnik 13 March 2018 12: 56
              +3
              Quote: shuravi
              That’s what “delights” me is how liberals of all stripes have “evidence” for any reason.


              So that’s good. In order not to produce all sorts of myths and stories, we must back up with documents
          4. Gopnik
            Gopnik 13 March 2018 12: 55
            +5
            so it’s logical if you look at what was happening at that time: “After the German troops broke through 07.12.1942/15.12.1942/XNUMX they were surrounded, led contours, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX the rest of the brigade left in the second echelon, conducting rearguard battles and ensuring the exit of other troops that fell surrounded.
            According to German estimates, the losses of the brigade in the operation amounted to 75% of the personnel.
            After the operation, the brigade was withdrawn to the reserve, where it was replenished and understaffed. "

            Those. On January 18, the brigade that had escaped from the encirclement did not have heavy weapons, and by the beginning of a new operation, it was replenished with weapons and military personnel.
            1. alstr
              alstr 14 March 2018 12: 57
              +4
              So I had a stupid question in this regard:
              How is the report (albeit reliable) dated 18.01.43/27.02.43/XNUMX and the state of armament at the time of the offensive XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX?

              In my opinion, because for this month, at least a replenishment has come (which is reflected in the very fact of Matrosov’s arrival in the unit) and it’s logical that a replenishment was going on. part (well, I do not believe that after such a piece of paper they didn’t replenish part of the armament for a MONTH - this is not 41 g).

              Hence the simple conclusion that the piece of paper through and through is correct and reliable on 18.01/27.02 completely does not correspond to reality on XNUMX/XNUMX.
    2. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 13 March 2018 09: 03
      +10
      Ah, MaladEts, what knowledge is encyclopedic ... Can you link to the weapons data of the 91 divisions on February 27, 1943? This is not a memorial data for an hour?
      And take an interest in how many PPSh were released and how many Germans released MP of all modifications, you will be very surprised, but the difference is enormous, tens of times.
      So you would shut up, otherwise it stinks like from a closet.
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        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 13 March 2018 09: 40
          +15
          And here is the 91st separate rifle brigade, in which, as of 18.01.1943/1081/24.02.1943, there were 01.04.1943 people, 559 people lost during the month of the offensive (XNUMX-XNUMX).
          Oh how? Wow, it happens. Do you know how much the 6th Army lost during the offensive on Stalingrad in a month of fighting? Or do you think an offensive is possible without casualties?
          Why are you here climbed the "truth-seeker" unfinished? An article about a feat, and you shit on a fan, but more, right?
          I have already written more than once that a pig will find dirt everywhere, even where it is not and cannot be!
          1. x917nt
            x917nt 13 March 2018 10: 45
            +6
            And how does Stalingrad relate to events on the Kalinin front?

            Quote: Varyag_0711
            Why are you here climbed the "truth-seeker" unfinished?

            And why do you, if you don’t even know where the events took place, that in the article, completed are you ours Want to argue with documents? You are welcome.
            I did not write anything bad about A. Matrosov. So fasten rude
          2. Aleksandr1981
            Aleksandr1981 13 March 2018 18: 04
            +4
            Moreover, an adequate person does not choose a car registration number for nick)))
        2. nnz226
          nnz226 13 March 2018 23: 30
          +1
          By the way, the loss includes all those who are out of order: both dead and wounded. So 559 people (if there is no mark - irretrievable losses) are 1 / 4 killed and 3 / 4 wounded. The ratio of 3 injured to 1 deceased. And the mark of irrecoverable losses is not readable .... since there is none ...
          1. x917nt
            x917nt 14 March 2018 06: 09
            0
            Quote: nnz226
            So 559 people (if there is no mark - irreparable loss) is 1/4 dead and 3/4 wounded.

            In this particular case, all 559 are killed. And buried. What are the corresponding entries in the graphs of reports.
    3. Glory1974
      Glory1974 13 March 2018 11: 43
      +5
      In general, the article is about the feat of a particular person. The feat is perfect. You are rightly pointed out that you are throwing on a fan.
      And about the overwhelming corpses is no longer relevant. All data on losses is. with such statements to you on the "echo of Moscow"
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 13 March 2018 12: 47
        +8
        Quote: glory1974
        In general, the article is about the feat of a particular person. The feat is perfect. You are rightly pointed out that you are throwing on a fan.

        If you exclude emotions from the original post, then this is not so much a sketch as an attempt to explain why the routine combat work to destroy the enemy’s DOS by regular means of a separate rifle brigade had to be replaced by exploits.
        And as for filling up with corpses ... where in 1943 fighter-grenade launchers were sent, in 1942 they continued to advance in chains - and then they lay under machine-gun mortar fire and crawled back into the trenches. And even the presence of battalion artillery did not help - the Lenfront order, for example, indicated that the battalion commanders regularly forget about their guns and mortars.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 13 March 2018 14: 40
          +8
          this is not so much a sketch as an attempt to explain why the routine combat work to destroy the enemy’s DOS by regular means of a separate rifle brigade had to be replaced by exploits.

          The article describes the routine work. 2 bunkers were so destroyed, the third did not work, one soldier was wounded, the other did not hit with grenades. But as a result, he completed the combat mission at the cost of his life.
          But the post says that there were no other means to carry out the task and the military and strength personnel a month before the events described are given as evidence. And this is wrong.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 13 March 2018 14: 48
            +5
            Quote: glory1974
            The article describes the routine work. 2 bunkers were so destroyed, the third did not work, one soldier was wounded, the other did not hit with grenades. But as a result, he completed the combat mission at the cost of his life.

            Routine work is when an assault group with a dozen grenades goes to destroy the DOS. And supports her battalion "forty", working by embrasure. Or 2-3 PTR (because it is extremely difficult to get from a safe distance with PTR accuracy). Or an easel machine gun. Or mortar / chemists put a smoke curtain.
            Moreover, on February 25, 2 days before the exploit of Matrosov, there were mortars at the 2nd battalion. But...
            "The battalion commander, Captain Afanasyev, and his deputy for political affairs, Captain Klimovsky, did not send intelligence and side guards. The battalion walked in a chain, the enemy missed and cut off part of it."

            “During the march, the battalion was divided into 3 groups by the enemy. After a stubborn battle, the battalion groups joined together, while the mortar company lost their equipment, the battalion commander captain Afanasyev was wounded. ... The enemy stubbornly resisted, firing from medium mortars, artillery and heavy mortars in our battle formations "
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 13 March 2018 16: 10
              +4
              Routine work is when an assault group with a dozen grenades goes to destroy the DOS. And supports her battalion "forty", working by embrasure. Or 2-3 PTR

              So be it. But you yourself write:
              “During the march, the battalion was divided by the enemy into 3 groups. After a stubborn battle, the battalion groups joined together, while the mortar company lost its materiel, the battalion commander, captain Afanasyev, was wounded

              The battalion was manned, fought, suffered losses. And in these conditions he continued to fight. That is, we are not talking about understaffing, the lack of everything and "filling up with corpses."
    4. Glory1974
      Glory1974 13 March 2018 11: 44
      +6
      In your comment, you indicated staffing a month before the events. Is there data at the time of the battle? Or is it not important anymore?
      1. x917nt
        x917nt 13 March 2018 12: 38
        +3
        Quote: glory1974
        In your comment, you indicated staffing a month before the events. Is there data at the time of the battle? Or is it not important anymore?

        Why isn’t it important? Very important.
        But I did not come across, although .... this does not mean that there is no such data.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 13 March 2018 14: 33
          +6
          I mean, could they have completed a brigade at the time of the battle? After all, one bunker was destroyed from the PTR, which they allegedly did not have.
    5. nnz226
      nnz226 13 March 2018 23: 26
      +5
      3,14 isn’t necessary: ​​even in 1941, the militia ALL had rifles. And in 1943, when the industry began to work after the evacuation, each soldier had rifles and machine guns. Also tell us that ours near Stalingrad for 3 weeks before this Paulus was hammered with cuttings from shovels. Remind me where the Day of (missile forces and) artillery came from? From November 19 to 1942 of the year. When the defense of the Germans and Romanians was broken by massive artillery fire. And do not la la about the fact that guns and howitzers were brought here from all over the USSR and all fronts ...
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    6. faiver
      faiver 14 March 2018 06: 03
      +2
      referring to the data on the armament and the number of crews a month ago is bullshit, and six months before the events described the brigade did not exist at all, so you can take the documents of the 42 summer and say that such a part did not exist at all ...
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        1. faiver
          faiver 14 March 2018 07: 33
          +2
          God forbid, this is your prerogative ... hi
  6. bubalik
    bubalik 13 March 2018 07: 58
    +2
    Matrosov Alexander Matveevich
  7. Kazakh
    Kazakh 13 March 2018 09: 41
    +5
    Quote: x917nt
    Four bunkers with MG machine guns. In the open field.
    And let after that someone continue about not filling up with corpses.
    And what is the reason to refuse to advance to the place of the database?
  8. Kazakh
    Kazakh 13 March 2018 09: 49
    +11
    And here is the 91st separate rifle brigade, in which, as of 18.01.1943/1081/24.02.1943, there were 01.04.1943 people, 559 people lost during the month of the offensive (XNUMX-XNUMX). Killed. Irrevocably. Not counting the wounded.
    In 36 days of the offensive, father-in-law to lose 559 people is a huge number? Yes, our soldier is sorry. But the attack was not in the camps. You can clearly understand the topic. Write down how much they inflicted on the enemy. How much and what did they capture? After all, you were not only interested in our losses.
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 13 March 2018 10: 03
      +4
      Kazakh Today, 10: 49
      hi
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    3. x917nt
      x917nt 13 March 2018 12: 31
      +3
      Quote: Kazakh
      Father-in-law for the 36 days of the offensive to lose 559 people is a huge number?

      According to statistics, one to one killed from 2 to 3 wounded. It turns out that at least 559 thousand more wounded need to be added to 1 irrevocable ones. Total at least 1500 fighters lost the 91st brigade in just 1 month of fighting. If we recall that before the offensive in 91 OSBr there were only 1081 people, then what for it meant a loss of 1500 people?
      1. Gopnik
        Gopnik 13 March 2018 13: 01
        +5
        not before the offensive, but a month before, after leaving the environment
        1. x917nt
          x917nt 13 March 2018 14: 10
          +1
          The 91st brigade left the encirclement on December 10-11, 1942. Then it was on the defensive, and on December 28.12 it was withdrawn to the 2nd echelon.
          1. Gopnik
            Gopnik 13 March 2018 14: 28
            0
            And after all these events, she was in a rather poor state. And before the offensive was replenished
            1. x917nt
              x917nt 13 March 2018 15: 52
              +1
              Quote: Gopnik
              And before the offensive was replenished

              Perhaps that was so. Although, in this regard, I would like to see some documentary evidence of this.
              And the question remains about the quality of this replenishment. If you look at the losses of the brigade in those very days that it stormed Chernushka (26-28.02.43), a very depressing picture emerges.
              26.02/108. Losses of the brigade 57 people. of them . 1924 pax Born in XNUMX
              27.02. Losses of 87 people, of which 53 people - born in 1924
              28.02/108. Losses 92 people, of which 1924 people. Born XNUMX
              In the period from March 1-31, 1943, the brigade irretrievably 369 more people are losing, of whom 217 are born in 1924. There are even born in 1925 60% of losses - this is the very replenishment.
              These boys have just turned 18. Unfired and not trained. Disposable .. alas ... (((And one of those hundreds - Sailors.
              It is clear that such a replenishment is not like a mortar or a PTR, even a machine gun will not be trusted. And since there is no one to use a difficult (difficult) match, then there is no need to give it to the brigade. At least in the amount required by the state. So?
              1. Gopnik
                Gopnik 13 March 2018 16: 25
                +3
                hardly. They are from some kind of training where mortar, armor-piercing and machine gunners were trained. It is clear that they "taught", most likely, so-so, but formally they gave a specialty.
  9. BAI
    BAI 13 March 2018 09: 53
    +4
    Our communist past is not good. It is totalitarian and undemocratic. We must forget, dear, it is necessary.

    For some (or maybe already and a sufficiently large number of) citizens - this is a sacred postulate, not subject to doubt. It can only be strengthened - not "not good", but "terribly, disgusting, criminal." Do not "forget", but "repent, ask for forgiveness" and pay, pay, pay - with money, sovereignty, territories, interests of the country.

    Yes, and the author in vain did not indicate the author and the name of the painting: Panfilov V.E. Alexander Matrosov. 1953-1954.
    1. parma
      parma 13 March 2018 14: 21
      +2
      Many are trying to figure it out ... And "not good" arises just when you come across facts that very often contradict a statement ... Are there few fakes now from our Moscow region? Full, and during the Second World War there was even more ... Is it bad? I don’t know ... For me, probably not, there was a war and it was necessary to defeat at all costs, lies and propaganda is not such a bad method. Remember the numbers of the dead, and how often are the numbers corrected ... How many times over the past 50 years have they been adjusted (and not by 100000-200000)? No need to repent, no need to stop lying
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 14 March 2018 05: 05
      +1
      Quote: BAI
      Our communist past is not good. It is totalitarian and undemocratic. We must forget, dear, it is necessary.

      For some (or maybe already and a sufficiently large number of) citizens - this is a sacred postulate, not subject to doubt. It can only be strengthened - not "not good", but "terribly, disgusting, criminal." Do not "forget", but "repent, ask for forgiveness" and pay, pay, pay - with money, sovereignty, territories, interests of the country.

      Yes, and the author in vain did not indicate the author and the name of the painting: Panfilov V.E. Alexander Matrosov. 1953-1954.

      That's what infuriates, it would be nice if those who call for such repentance would publicly repent of personal misconduct that they stealthily stepped aside, attributed, where they lied, did not pay taxes, or there, with a neighbor's wife .......
  10. Kazakh
    Kazakh 13 March 2018 10: 15
    +5
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    Alexander, he is not speaking out for the truth,.
    .
    I agree if people wanted objectivity, the enemy would also have caused losses through simple comparisons, it would be possible to estimate (they threw them with corpses) or not. And laying out some losses is of course a manipulation. They just died like that without doing anything. Maybe they didn’t put forward a completely armed HF, but we don’t know the reasons for the command. Maybe we didn’t plan an offensive. We hoped that everything would be delivered to the beginning, and so on. sent for slaughter. Well this is to Nikita Mikhalkov with cuttings.
  11. svp67
    svp67 13 March 2018 10: 17
    +2
    Alexander Matrosov. Part of 1. Gods are not overthrown from pedestals
    Alas, they overthrow ... just remember how Russia was baptized. Immediately the main thing is who will be stronger than those who destroyers or defenders. And you don’t have to go far into history, Syria today, the feat of the pilot Filippov. an attack is already beginning on this event, in order to discredit it ....
    PS This is not a lot of jarred:
    But at age 19 towards the MG-43
    Firstly, the brand of the machine gun was not indicated correctly, the Germans had MG-42, and also, and if the Germans had MG-34 there, would his feat be a division lower?
    1. cherrybuster
      cherrybuster 13 March 2018 12: 51
      0
      "This is for you guys"? Duck is a fake))
  12. BAI
    BAI 13 March 2018 10: 19
    +6
    And a little about this fight.
    What is it all about? It’s just that no beginners like Matrosov, who arrived as a replenishment, went to the bunkers. Shelled and experienced warriors. Death to the fascists in the flesh.

    First, about 6 sk, which included 91 OSB.
    In the heavy battles of November-December 1942 on the Rzhev-Vyazemsky ledge, a corps of 37 people lost 500, and by February 25 only 400% of the corps fighters had combat experience, and 1943% were recruits, including and Sailors.

    Those. two thirds are newcomers. And if they sent 3 experienced and one newcomer - this is still a very good ratio.

    Map of the alleged location of the feat of Alexander Matrosov.

    On the eve of the night march, the mortar company of the 2nd battalion lost its materiel - all nine 82-mm battalion mortars. However, the battalion had a platoon of anti-tank rifles (PTR), consisting of three squads of three PTR in each. The new “Battle Charter” of 1942 provided for the use of the PTR squad as part of an assault group. The assault groups managed to destroy the flank bunkers. But the machine gun from the central bunker continued to shell the hollow in front of the village of Pleten. Attempts to crush him from the PTR were unsuccessful.

    Ogurtsov was seriously wounded, and Sailors managed to get to the embrasure from the flank. From a distance of about 30 meters, he threw two grenades one after the other. The fire from the bunker stopped. The Red Army of the 2nd and 4th battalions went on the attack, but were stopped by the fire of the seemingly already destroyed bunker. Without experiencing the slightest hesitation, Sailors rose to his full height, jerkily rushed to the bunker - and covered the embrasure with his body.

    All the advancing squads of the two battalions, acting in strict accordance with paragraph 73 of the Combat Manual, went on the attack and seized a bunker: "Any weakening of the enemy’s fire and intensification of their fire should be considered an order to immediately move the squad forward." The village of Pleten was taken by a frontal attack of the 4th and a flank attack of the 2nd battalion. The path to the village of Chernushka was opened, and at 13.00 the village was taken by forces of the 4th battalion. A few days later, when the results of the operation will be summed up, it turns out that the 6th SK soldiers destroyed 156 enemy bunkers, including the one on which the sailors lay down on the embrasure

    Funeral



    The first burial of the hero in Chernushki.

    Letter from A. Matrosov of February 26, 1943 (the day before).
    February 26 in the light of the smokehouse, he writes a letter to a friend of the girl. “Now I want to talk with you about everything that I feel that I am experiencing. Yes, Lida, and I saw how my comrades were dying. And today the battalion commander told the story of how one general died, died, standing facing west. I love life, I want to live, but the front is such a thing that you live, you live, and suddenly a bullet or splinter puts an end to your life, but if I am destined to die, I would like to die like our general: in battle and face to face West. Your Sashok. "


    From the report of the political department of the 91st brigade of 28.02.43: "As a result of stubborn battles on February 27.02.1943, 1327, our units occupied three settlements: Severnaya Chernushka, Yuzhnoye Chernushka and Severnoye Chernoe. Currently, there are battles for Black Yuzhnoye and Brutovo. stubbornly resists, as a result of which we have losses <...> 18 people. Of these killed: command personnel - 80, junior command personnel - 313, rank-and-file - 2 ... from the bunker opened strong machine-gun fire and did not allow our infantry to advance. Comrade Matrosov received an order to destroy the enemy's fortified point. Despising death, he closed the embrasure of the bunker with his body. "


  13. bober1982
    bober1982 13 March 2018 11: 17
    +1
    Article plus.
    Although reasoning about the gods, saints and sufferers is confused. To endure passions is also a difficult matter ...., fight with passions, is not an easy task.
  14. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 13 March 2018 11: 42
    +8
    An author might know that three bunkers (or bunkers) with a triangle is a standard
    German company stronghold. There were not three machine gunners (each, the second number
    and another assistant), and a company of the Wehrmacht.
    Often these were not full companies, but about 50 people, at least. Soldiers covered up pillboxes
    from the sides and from the rear, shooting from trenches.
    Dot stormed, trying to climb onto the roof. There were mandatory ventilation
    holes. Otherwise, machine gunners will burn away from powder gases. Thrown into these holes
    grenades. But the roof was covered by German infantry.
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  16. Fitter65
    Fitter65 13 March 2018 14: 29
    +8
    ... in fact, we have no unsullied and unobserved heroes. Perhaps only Kozhedub and Pokryshkin hold still ...

    I beg you, it has been a defamation for a long time that all the "true aces" did not care about their personal account, and Pokryshkin and Kozhedub wrote everything to themselves. And the fact that the formula "Height-speed-maneuver-fire" is Pokryshkin’s everything they knew, and he attributed this to himself, and that when Pokryshkin took off it almost the entire division covered ... And about I.N. Kozhedub there are enough throws on the fan of stinky substance. Therefore, our Gods will be different liberals-Yabloko-Sobchak-bulk trying to overthrow the pedestals, they paid for it. And Alexander Ivanovich Pokryshkin ... I am proud that my ancestors and I from the Novosibirsk region as well as Pokryshkin. And the name of Alexander Matrosov was our pioneer squad, and our pioneer squad. It’s a pity that now such a tradition in the lives of our children ...
    1. Severomor
      Severomor 13 March 2018 15: 35
      +2
      Quote: Fitter65
      and Pokryshkin and Kozhedub only wrote everything to themselves

      But Soviet aviation had such a signal "Attention! Attention! In the air hartman (or Rudel or some other “star” that shot down an air division (destroying a tank corps) ”???
      And they had a signal: “Akhtung, Akhtung, Pokryshkin in der play”
      "Starting from the Kuban, when Pokryshkin appeared, the German alert posts were sounding the alarm: Attention! Attention! In the air Pokryshkin There were cases when one of his friends-pilots flew out on Pokryshkin's “aerocobra”, but it was difficult for them to find the enemy, the Luftwaffe pilots left the battle. "
      Only in three cases the Germans went on air from encrypted messages to plain text - "Akhtung! Khir partisanen!" ("Attention! Partisans are here!"); "Akhtung! Heer panzer!" (tanks) and "Akhtung! Pokryshkin!"
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 13 March 2018 16: 07
        +6
        In general, which is obvious both in the article and in the comments. The article has too many emotions. Overwhelm the author. And with each new emotion, the effect of the article falls. A man gave his life for his homeland, what more can be given? Nothing. But ... on this fact it is impossible to speculate and there are comments about this. Not the author speculates. And those others who benefit when they write about heroes ... like that. Knowing that there would be all kinds of utterances, it would be possible and necessary to request copies from the archives of the MO) precisely from the archive !!!) of documents about the exploit and battles of the mentioned division. Was this done? No! And others had to demonstrate these documents, borrowed not from the archive, but from the Web. Hence the equally hysterical screams - forgery, deceit! Could this have been avoided and given greater weight to the article? Yes you can. A - reduce pathos; B - personally contact the archive and make an impressive selection of materials. And C - indicate that Alexander accomplished his feat 90th in a row, and in total there were more than 400 such Sailors! And they all got a "hero"? I do not know...
      2. alstr
        alstr 14 March 2018 14: 41
        0
        About Pokryshkin’s alert. The Germans received such an alert not only about Pokryshkin, but also about other pilots. For example, Ahmet Khan.
        I think that such alerts were on other aces. It’s just that we’re better known.
        This is basically normal practice.

        We also had this, but at the level of the enemy unit. Recall, "Only the elderly go into battle." There, on our side, there was a warning that the diamonds were in the air.
  17. free
    free 13 March 2018 19: 41
    +1
    I subscribe to every word! We sing a song to the madness of the brave!
  18. Duke
    Duke 13 March 2018 22: 51
    +1
    Alexander Matrosov is a hero. and you can’t send anything here
  19. gsev
    gsev 14 March 2018 00: 36
    0
    Eremenko and Stalin turned to Matrosov’s presentation for an award because in his short life he experienced a lot of bitter things, but in a difficult time he was not embittered by fate, but gave his life for the Victory for his Homeland, for his fellow citizens.
  20. Victor Drobikov
    Victor Drobikov April 29 2019 22: 27
    +1
    I was born just before the war in 1937, I remember a lot from this terrible time, and I read books about the war enthusiastically. This must not be forgotten!
    But on April 20 of this year, I read an article on the Internet in which the author questions the feat of Alexander Matrosov during the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945.
    It describes the essence of the feat itself: what is impossible due to "technical" reasons. Like, when a person lays down on a machine gun, his body should be discarded by the power of flying bullets and the like opinion .... What is pure propaganda! And this statement outraged me to the core!
    I found the answer to this speculation in the second book of the German writer Paul Karel "The Eastern Front" - "Scorched Earth 1943-1944."
    In one of the chapters he describes the battles for the Great Luke. In this description there is a moment of behavior of our Red Army men in battle. I give the description verbatim: “Soviet rifle battalions fought with startling courage. Especially the Komsomol members, the fanatical young Communists, in the next few weeks glorified themselves with devotion to duty. Private soldier of the 254th Guards Rifle Regiment Alexander Matrosov at the cost of his life earned the title of Hero of the Soviet Union.
    Sailors put an end to the heavy losses of his company at the German bunker, from where the machine gun was continuously beating. He crawled to the embrasure and covered her with his own body. His fingers continued to squeeze the machine gun barrel tightly when he had already died. Rota Matrosova took advantage of a break in the fire and crushed the bunker. "
    I think Paul Karel, who was the leading official and functionary of Nazi propaganda in the Foreign Ministry of the Third Reich, press officer of the Foreign Minister Ribbentrop, an SS officer with the rank of Obersturmbannführer, was not interested in promoting our soldiers. He showed war in the perception of German soldiers and generals.
    So why do we question the exploits of our Heroes?